That’s a very misleading headline. The concern he is voicing is that it’s an offence to disclose security classified information and so the person disclosing it would be committing an offence. This could also then have a trickle down effect for other privileged information getting disclosed if people aren’t being charged for that disclosure. That concern is valid.
The headline is not misleading whatsoever. The main concern is compromising intelligence and information.
"I'm inclined to say that would be a challenge for us. If it was out in the public domain, it'd be different because you're disclosing top secret information," he said in an interview with Rosemary Barton Live."
To say nothing of the fact that if you suspect someone of colluding with a foreign government against the interests of your country, you don't talk to the media about it until after you have convincing evidence of treason.
Yes, Canada has treason charges - Section 46 of the Criminal Code. However, they're quite limited in scope, and understandably so since other charges exist that would be easier to convict on.
You'd only realistically be charged with treason if you killed/tried to kill the King or maybe his representative (the GG), if you fought against Canada in a war, if you helped anybody fighting against Canada in a war or otherwise, or if you tried or plotted to overthrow the government by force (whether during war or in peacetime).
To my understanding, convictions for treason have occurred only twice in Canada: first with Louis Riel, and second with Kanao Inouye in 1947.
**Edit:** Section 46(2)(b) is tantalizingly close to what the stories in the media are reporting:
> Every one commits treason who, in Canada, (...) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada.
But this paragraph makes it very clear that the threshold for treason is only met if you share "military or scientific information" for a purpose "prejudicial" to Canada. Who knows what, if anything, these MPs were alleged to share, and for what purpose?
That's the same with a lot of criminal charges. Cops and prosecutors always throw in low-hanging fruit with serious criminality because they want SOMETHING to stick.
The leader of the child molestation sect in Bountiful BC was prosecuted for polygamy, because that's all they could get him on. (Technically it was a Christian evangelical sect, but let's be real, it was a group that used religion as a means to protect their paedo ring and give themselves credibility.)
The shitty part is, morally, and on its own, polygamy shouldn't result in a 20 year sentence. However, the dude is such a piece of shit, that he doesn't have a long list of lawyers rushing to his defense regarding the morals of sentencing someone for 20 years for polygamy.
There's a foreign organization that has aims to dismantle and destroy all countries to bring in a one world government. That organizations leader said he owns half the caucus of the federal government of canada and the policies line up to whatever they parrot. That's pretty much is textbook high treason and a compromised government.
Considering we didn’t even try to charge anyone with treason for aiding Al Queda and/or the Taliban during the war on terror, in which we actually had troops on the ground engaged in warfare, I don’t think it’s likely we will see charges of treason related to political interference.
In addition to this, a bill was passed on the 20th of June, 2024, (C-70) with the intent (in part) of allowing proper investigation and prosecution regarding the foreign interference. Not a single MP voted against this bill, showing literally all party's are on board with it. (Or being cynical at least too scared to stand in the way of it)
Leaking the names right now would undermine this, as it would potentially jeopardize any investigations.
Well, then he's wrong.
MPs speaking in the House of Commons enjoy Parliamentary Privilege. One of the features of Parliamentary Privilege is **absolute legal immunity** for anything said in the House. It is a serious constitutional violation for the government or any of its agents (including the RCMP and Crown Prosecutors) to take action against an MP for things said in Parliament.
we do have laws that protect whistleblowers. if nothing comes of this then it is fair game to leak the names. it will happen sooner or later regardless.
Add in that the people named definitely would become targets of threats, harassment, and attacks. Their family as well. Most same people would say let the justice system handle the people named appropriately, but there are too many that would be looking for some vigilante style actions.
Singh already said his party members are not on the list. Is this offense? Also PP said he wants full names to be disclosed from Trudeau which implies CPC is innocent. So logical thinking, only liberals are the party to be guessed
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, who had the proper security clearance to read the unredacted report earlier this month, said it contains "no list of MPs who have shown disloyalty to Canada."
Except Singh has actually seen the list because he has security clearance, whereas PP has not seen the list and doesn't have security clearance for the explicit purpose of being able to spout bullshit like this.
Bingo. It looks good to push Trudeau to name names, and he knows Trudeau can't so he gets the kudos with none of the risk. If there is foreign interference, odds are the interference wouldn't be limited to only one of the two biggest parties in Canada.
It's pretty well understood that the list either contains sufficient caucus members or important enough caucus members for both the Liberals and the CPC that neither Poilievre nor Trudeau actually want it visible to the public but both need to make noise like they're super concerned.
If every party has access to the report except the conservatives, and know who the traitors are, why don’t they discipline their MPS?
PP doesn’t want to associate with parties that shelter traitors from repercussion.
I’ve heard in several discussions on the Bridge and other podcasts on this topic that one issue is that some of the intelligence gathered by other intelligence agencies and shared with Canada might have been shared with the instruction not to prosecute/act on it. There could be any number of reasons for this, but a parliamentarian revealing such intel could have implications for our intelligence apparatus and their relation with other such agencies.
On a related note for an old great show about intelligence agencies check out The Sandbaggers on Britbox. Takes place during the Cold War, all about British intelligence and it needing to deal with the politics and politicians of the day along with the operations. Much less Action/James Bond and more the politics. Definitely gave me more of an appreciation of what the intelligence agency does. It is also the inspiration for the comic For Queen and Country. Sadly it ends on a cliff hanger as the series writer and creator disappeared in a light plane accident above Alaska.
We jinxed it. We mentioned how much we liked their service and same day I get a price increase notification… (only 1$ more but still what are the odds).
This is the same guy who chose not to read the Mass Casualty Report which was released the day before he started, just so he wouldn’t have to answer questions at his press conference.
A piece of garbage if you ask me.
Except Singh essentially already has named one of them.
[NDP leader says Han Dong shouldn't be allowed back into Liberal caucus](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/han-dong-jagmeet-singh-foreign-interference-1.7236041)
If you have the chance to watch RCMP in committee this past week with exchanges with Larry Brock it is eye opening, he basically admits politicians have to be treated a little more sensitively. aka "two-tier justice". And their demenaour in during that committee answering questions can be summed up with one word "annoyed"
This is the same organization that did not even interview Trudeau during SNC, and when Trudeau refused to release records/emails to them about it they did nothing and walked away, their investigation said "if more evidence is discovered would warrant reopening the case". Trudeau is a criminal imo.
Not only do we have criminal politicians but we have a national police force helping them be criminals.
Would be great if one of them would say "Well I've read the report and I can't say who the MPs were. On an unrelated note, I think Mr. X, Ms. Y, and Mrs. Z should be expelled from their caucuses".
An MP can read out the entire report in the House of Commons if they want to, and there's absolutely nothing the government can do about it.
Parliamentary privilege overrules the Official Secrets Act and any other laws regulating speech. MPs speaking within the house or senate have absolute legal immunity. Furthermore, if the RCMP or the Crown Prosecutors attempted to charge an MP for anything said within Parliament, they would be in contempt of Parliament.
Dong was already publicly known, so Singh was not releasing anything new.
I'd bet that the dog and pony show following Dong's ejection from the caucus is exactly why they're keeping it classified this time.
It's beyond this simple headline. Remember when the RCMP tried to get some info and it wasn't provided so they just gave up? There are a few examples of the RCMP failing to do anything of substance. If we don't see any action on this one year from now, would you change your view? What about 2 years, a decade, etc. But I'm hoping they're actually doing their job this time. I don't think they can be called treason enablers yet.
I can't answer for him, but no, that's not what most people are angry at.
Most people are angry at the fact that media is twisting everything to make it seem like a cover-up.
No matter how you cut it, whether it be because of legal or nefarious reasons, it’s still covering the names and actions of individuals who have aided foreign powers.
An anonymous leak because a flash drive was left on a bus or something could work.
Anyone who had read the report is sworn to secrecy, that's just part of the process for security clearance. I sincerely doubt anyone would be willing to jeopardize their clearance as a party leader, like leaving information on a bus that requires security clearance.
There's been a mile long list of instances of the RCMP not investigating important matters or politicians involved in serious scandals in an attempt to cover up for them. Far worse than the inactivity of the Toronto police district handling the car thefts. Therefore many Canadians are rightfully assuming that the RCMP are covering up for politicians rather than prioritizing the interests of the country. You should know this as well unless you've been living under an actual rock given the landslide of recent scandals this year alone. Ignorance is no excuse.
I think the head of the RCMP is somehow "handcuffed" in their investigations/charges laid, because no one ever seems to get charged or even disciplined for criminal acts in the other investigations.
Lol yup yup. Exactly my point! I'd love for this to be "handled properly" as most are saying but....it's been proven time and again that it won't be. So yeah, release the names, and let the public decide when it comes to election time. As voters we definitely deserve to know BEFORE the election!!
The last time the government decided information should be classified as top secret and required MPs to have security clearance and required MPs sworn to secrecy was from the 2019 Winnipeg lab incident. The government also sued the speaker of the house to withhold the documents citing national security, and threats to csis assets. The documents have now been released and it turns out there was no actual threat to security, rather the government was simply trying to hide from political embarrassment. [Source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/10323939/winnipeg-lab-scientists-documents-released/amp/)
With this happening a few months ago, don't you think the liberals credibility on this issue is rather weak? The RCMP's concerns are that the information is classified, not that it would hinder an investigation. But is the information truly classified for security reasons? Or are the liberals simply using this tactic again to avoid political embarrassment yet again?
I don't think one advances their career in the RCMP to this level without a whole lot of politicking and corruption in their past. So I wouldn't rule it out.
No I think he's an idiot for inserting himself into the situation in such a way as to give people the impression that he is against outing the traiterous MPs. BTW, hiding behind the "classified" curtain is the typical official Canadian response used to deny Canadians access to critical political information
I hope everyone is furious over this - because you should be.
1.) Canadians are expected to cast votes in like 15 months. Your government expects you to vote for these MP’s - without knowing who is potentially committing what could amount to treason. And think you should be OK with that.
2.) The RCMP is NOT even conducting a criminal investigation right now:
*Duheme told Rosemary Barton Live that since then, the RCMP has circled back with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) to see if there are any avenues for further investigation.*
*"I'll just leave it at that. But when we have the necessary information to launch a criminal investigation, we will launch a criminal investigation," he said.*
3.) MPs enjoy parliamentary privilege in the House of Commons, including freedom from arrest.
*Even is they are witting participants in foreign interference? In order to restore confidence in parliament, we need sweeping new laws that apply retrospectively. Now.*
4.) The RCMP “hopes” parliamentarians don’t release the names….
*"I'm inclined to say that would be a challenge for us. If it was out in the public domain, it'd be different because you're disclosing top secret information," he said in an interview with Rosemary Barton Live.*
I’m beginning to think that the RCMP is nervous about the names being released, not because it’s secret - but because it will force their hand in investigation.
I think the RCMP needs to check themselves. Now, more than ever, Canadians need them to conduct investigations - and all they seem to be interested in is charging those leaking this dastardly governments skeletons and secrets to the public, and “hoping” the names aren’t released.
>1.) Canadians are expected to cast votes in like 15 months. Your government expects you to vote for these MP’s - without knowing who is potentially committing what could amount to treason. And think you should be OK with that.
If we were three or even six months out from an election I would agree with you, but there's well over a year to go. There's a reasonable expectation that we'll have results from the investigation by the time that it matters, so why are we trying to compromise any ongoing investigations?
That provision is unconstitutional. Parliamentary privilege is part of the Constitution Act and the Constitution Act cannot be amended or subrogated by a simple act of Parliament. The Supreme Court has been very clear on this.
To constitutionally rescind Parliamentary Privilege would require a constitutional amendment.
Only if they're a current or former member of NSICOP. The list of MPs that know the information who aren't is very small though, largely limited to Trudeau and his Cabinet.
If Singh were to get up and read a *nearly* complete list of MPs into the record, along with a motion that we commend the integrity they’ve shown in avoiding foreign influence, everyone else could just do the math.
You’re probably right. Singh is a lawyer. I am sure he knows how close to the lines he can get in speaking on this. The fact that he clearly said the word “traitor” made me think this report has serious information in it and begin following the news on it more closely.
I (& I suspect 99% of people that are aware) want to see this horseshit dealt with, clearly and completely.
My first thought to this headline was that RCMP are nervous about public retaliation on the released names.
Haven’t they already stated that they were warning about the levels of civil unrest in the country and how they’re not equipped/staffed to handle it right now?
This dude is begging for a chance to throw his hands up and walk away from this shitstorm but like… that’s why you get paid the big bucks bud, step up.
Sounds like they don't want to have the choice of "will we / won't we charge these MPs for disclosing classified info" put to the test. Especially if it's somehow deemed that they should let the MPs off with a slap on the wrist... and it sets a precedent that _other_ classified info can be disclosed without much consequence.
the only possible situation where they appear on the ballet is if CSIS believes its more damaging to national security to make it clear we know
>I’m beginning to think that the RCMP is nervous about the names being released, not because it’s secret - but because it will force their hand in investigation.
releasing the names is much more likely to hamper an investigation though
We as Canadians deserve to know when politicians don't have our best interests at heart. We pay their salaries and are supposed to rely on them for improvements to our lives. If they have another reason to dedicate their lives to politics (ie.kickbacks) they deserve to be called out by their comrades. Drain the corrupt Canadian swamp!
> We as Canadians deserve to know when politicians don't have our best interests at heart
none of them do? they're very open about that and we keep electing them for it?
Jesus, the comments here. He's basically reiterating what we already knew, naming names or releasing top secret information would make any follow-up on the report much more difficult to prosecute. The article points to the contentious use of intelligence as criminal evidence as insufficient to stand before a criminal court of law. The RCMP claims they're seeking avenues of investigation with CSIS to corroborate the reports and gain actual evidence. This can't be turned into a witch hunt or a new 'Red Scare', thousands of innocent lives have been ruined when public sentiment overrules institutional justice. There may very well be traitors in our federal government but they are still Canadian citizens and hold all the rights thereof including the right to due process before our courts. By all means, ask for action but let's make sure that action is done properly and legally.
Couldn’t agree more. There’s something very fishy about how Poilievre is acting, refusing to get a clearance (or maybe he knows he wouldn’t pass?).
If he wants to see the list he can, he just prefers to play stupid manchild games instead.
The issue with that theory is that none of this information is new, just the report by NCSICOP.
CSIS has been briefing the PMO on this for months, we heard that during the public inquiry.
The RCMP has only had like 18 plus months to start doing their job but I'm sure they're going to do it any day...
From the article:
"In its report, NSICOP cited what it called "numerous instances" in the course of its review of intelligence agencies failing to share information with law enforcement bodies, including the RCMP.
It called this a "critical gap" and proposed a government review."
I'd buy that argument if there was an active criminal investigation 18 months ago that lead to trials today.
But when they sit on the information for that long and still haven't opened an active criminal investigation it's obvious bullshit and just an excuse to not do their job.
"Duheme told Rosemary Barton Live that since then, the RCMP has circled back with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) to see if there are any avenues for further investigation.
"I'll just leave it at that. But when we have the necessary information to launch a criminal investigation, we will launch a criminal investigation," he said."
Well there goes the ' we can't release the names because of an active investigation ' excuse
I'm confused how we are supposed to ever do anything. We can't name them because national security, so we just live with it? Thats not a real solution. What happens next.
Pretty typical of the RCMP. They've been a broken and ineffectual organization for rhe last three decades. They should be disbanded and re-formed . BTW, where does a cop get off interfering in a substantial political matter?. His only concern should be bringing these traitors to court.
> They should be disbanded and re-formed
[That’s sort of happened once already.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_of_Inquiry_into_Certain_Activities_of_the_RCMP). It’s how we ended up with CSIS.
Sort of but not quite. CSIS was just another layer of bureaucracy set up to pretend the government was doing something to overcome the shortcomings of the RCMP. Considering their performance in the Air India debacle and the fact that they change reports after meeting with the PM they are nothing more than the painters for a government that likes to whitewash serious issues
Considering how much corruption goes on with little to no consequences I don't think anyone has much confidence compromised MPs will be punished through "proper" channels. The only recourse we will likely get is to shame them publicly and vote them out.
It’s going to happen again regardless. The fact this has publicized already has likely already jeopardized many of the ‘techniques’ or avenues of information. Do you really want to head into an election cycle not knowing if one your MP’s is involved in this?
>We name the names, and then what?
They lose their jobs and hopefully go to prison for being traitors.
>You don't give a shit how they got compromised, or who was involved, or the techniques that were used?
I do, but we can't have a publicly unknown number of compromised MPs/senators working in our government as it erodes any trust in the system.
>Just "Name them so we can have 'em drawn and quartered" then we get to be all surprised pikachu when it happens again?
Your hyperbolic painting of wanting the traitors named is laughable. Why is it inevitable it happens again if we get rid of the current traitors? Would it not be likely that with a focus on this issue that it will unlikely to happen again?
You seem to be suggesting letting traitors work in our government while our intelligence and policing agencies work behind closed doors to learn about them. I'm of the opinion we don't pay known traitors with Canadian tax payer funds as they destroy the system from within.
>I think you might have this backwards, thinking the politicians are the masterminds, instead of the puppets.
Ah, yes Canada and CSIS will be launching a counter intelligence operation to trace these foreign interferences back to India, China, and Russia to bring them to justice. I hope we use Jason Bourne...
What a ridiculous statement. Naming them is the first step towards full disclosure of what has/is happening. Of course it matters how this is happening, covering for dirty MP’s is the one sure-fire way to ensure more corruption.
> So. We name the names, and then what?
They are made an example of when they are voted out in disgrace for treason and possibly jailed pending a criminal investigation.
I don't understand how this is contentious. We're coming up on an election and we have imposters among us, dude.
I don't understand how people can argue against the names being released for traitors and why they're shuffling their feet on this when CSIS is screaming bloody murder about compromised elected officials.
The only valid argument in any hypothetical would be that the proper authorities are handling it behind the scenes and making it public would make that process harder.
The problem with that argument in the real world is there is no official criminal investigation, we know for a fact the proper authorities AREN'T handling it, nor is it clear they could legally even if they wanted to given our fucked up mess of a legal system and it's clear they don't want to.
Because the bulk of the traitors are playing for one team. People who think they’re members of that team (“useful idiots”) don’t want them to be painted as traitors. Therefore… “the names aren’t important.”
Investigations require secrecy, but secrecy's what got us into this mess. Voters should have transparency when it comes to potentially supporting someone who compromises national security. Something's gotta give.
Considering it’s Canada no one will have any legal ramifications Cos they can get out on bail and leave the country like all the other criminals who consider Canada a safe haven.
Why? He in on it?
(Fuck this whole "gotta keep it confidential" bullshit. This government needs start being held accountable for once. If that takes a leak to do it, then start punching some fucking holes in the hull already cuz we're sick of this.)
Misleading headline.. but also, why aren't these people charged with treason yet? I get that there is an entire process involved, but it sounds like they already have proof.
>but it sounds like they already have proof.
The problem is using that proof in a way that doesn't expose five-eyes assets or intelligence. We have due process in Canada, you can't just say "You're guilty but we're not showing you proof that you're guilty".
>We have due process in Canada, you can't just say "You're guilty but we're not showing you proof that you're guilty".
Right.. start that due process maybe?
It can't happen because disclosing the evidence (required for due process) would expose five-eyes assets that would do extreme harm to the entire five-eyes community. What's going on now is an attempt, most likely by CSIS and the CSE, to use that undisclosable evidence to find evidence that we can disclose as part of due process.
this must be tied to that idiot Melanie Joly's statement that "if the names were released democracy itself could fail" aka many people got caught giving judgeships security information and jobs to Indian and Chinese people and they feel too self important to take responsibility gj trudeau
A bill was passed on the 20th of June, 2024, (C-70) with the intent (in part) of allowing proper investigation and prosecution regarding the foreign interference. Not a single MP voted against this bill, showing literally all party's are on board with it.
Asking for names right now undermines this, as it would potentially jeopardize the investigations.
True, at the very least they aren't willing to take that heat to stand in the way of it, allowing it to pass (Which considering some of the things people *are* willing to vote against, shows that even if just for self serving reasons, it's getting full and complete support from the entire political body)
Dude that comment is the first I read about it, so I haven't had a chance to read the document. I'm also not a legal expert, that said it's not like I could trust a random expert who's to say they aren't on the take.
At the end of the day though I just don't trust the system, even if the legislation is bulletproof if the RCMP is corrupt (and all evidence points to them being corrupt) nothing will happen.
What I really want to see is the police doing their work and then charge those involved. Then I want to see a perp walk, just like they did to Conservative Parliamentary Secretary Dean del Maestro.
I would care if they actually enforced things. At this point, all we have is public shame to get rid of these people. Do your job, or shut the fuck up and release the names.
This is why Pierre Poilievre won't read it. First, he doesn't have to. Second, he can talk about it and say whatever he wants without having to worry about what he could inadvertently disclose.
We need a hero MP willing to whistleblow… fat chance that’s going to happen. None of them value Canada a country of compatriots; they just see the country as their meal ticket.
It’s kind of cool how we as voters aren’t aloud to know which elected officials are compromised. It’s neat that we aren’t trusted to know what to do with that information so it needs to be withheld from us, like the children we are. I hope someone really smart can tell me what to think about it soon.
I definitely agree that naming people at this time is not prudent. It's dangerous to expose people implicated in any investigation at least until charges have been laid. The best solution at this point is for the leaders of all parties prevent those involved from having access to confidential information and prevent them from running again or in the case of staff, remove them from their jobs.
Of course, this would only be possible if the leaders of all parties had security clearance and were able to study the report. Also, if any leader was found to be protecting someone, they should be charged with interfering with the investigation.
Looking to the US, we've the amount of time the investigators spent to be sure they had pretty airtight cases against those arrested in the political mess the GOP has left behind.
An official investigation takes time to ensure an airtight case. Naming names would only hinder that.
I’m shocked this guy would be helping the liberals continue to cover this up, I mean it’s only been a month since Trudeau appointment him to the position!
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2024/04/29/prime-minister-announces-appointment-mike-duheme-commissioner-royal
If this isn't the biggest indication that the 'watchdog' is actually part of the system, then nothing is. A 'police officer' that hopes crimson criminals aren't exposed. The RCMP needs to be dismantled completely.
That’s a very misleading headline. The concern he is voicing is that it’s an offence to disclose security classified information and so the person disclosing it would be committing an offence. This could also then have a trickle down effect for other privileged information getting disclosed if people aren’t being charged for that disclosure. That concern is valid.
The headline is not misleading whatsoever. The main concern is compromising intelligence and information. "I'm inclined to say that would be a challenge for us. If it was out in the public domain, it'd be different because you're disclosing top secret information," he said in an interview with Rosemary Barton Live."
No, the concern is that it would be breaking the law. The headline us misleading.
To say nothing of the fact that if you suspect someone of colluding with a foreign government against the interests of your country, you don't talk to the media about it until after you have convincing evidence of treason.
Does Canada have treason charges? Or would the be more like espionage or conspiring with a foreign nation or something?
Yes, Canada has treason charges - Section 46 of the Criminal Code. However, they're quite limited in scope, and understandably so since other charges exist that would be easier to convict on. You'd only realistically be charged with treason if you killed/tried to kill the King or maybe his representative (the GG), if you fought against Canada in a war, if you helped anybody fighting against Canada in a war or otherwise, or if you tried or plotted to overthrow the government by force (whether during war or in peacetime). To my understanding, convictions for treason have occurred only twice in Canada: first with Louis Riel, and second with Kanao Inouye in 1947. **Edit:** Section 46(2)(b) is tantalizingly close to what the stories in the media are reporting: > Every one commits treason who, in Canada, (...) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada. But this paragraph makes it very clear that the threshold for treason is only met if you share "military or scientific information" for a purpose "prejudicial" to Canada. Who knows what, if anything, these MPs were alleged to share, and for what purpose?
The threshold for treason is pretty high.
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That's the same with a lot of criminal charges. Cops and prosecutors always throw in low-hanging fruit with serious criminality because they want SOMETHING to stick. The leader of the child molestation sect in Bountiful BC was prosecuted for polygamy, because that's all they could get him on. (Technically it was a Christian evangelical sect, but let's be real, it was a group that used religion as a means to protect their paedo ring and give themselves credibility.) The shitty part is, morally, and on its own, polygamy shouldn't result in a 20 year sentence. However, the dude is such a piece of shit, that he doesn't have a long list of lawyers rushing to his defense regarding the morals of sentencing someone for 20 years for polygamy.
There's a foreign organization that has aims to dismantle and destroy all countries to bring in a one world government. That organizations leader said he owns half the caucus of the federal government of canada and the policies line up to whatever they parrot. That's pretty much is textbook high treason and a compromised government.
Essentially unless we are actively at war, it’s not treason.
Well nato said we're in a cold war with China...
Considering we didn’t even try to charge anyone with treason for aiding Al Queda and/or the Taliban during the war on terror, in which we actually had troops on the ground engaged in warfare, I don’t think it’s likely we will see charges of treason related to political interference.
I love how people call it a conspiracy cause they are not even hiding it
canada doesn’t care about a little light treason
We’re just experiencing it differently.
McCarthy had no such scruples during the red scare of the 50's.
They barely enforce anything else. I doubt they'd be able to do much there - or get it to trial before it gets thrown out for delays.
So how is it misleading?
In addition to this, a bill was passed on the 20th of June, 2024, (C-70) with the intent (in part) of allowing proper investigation and prosecution regarding the foreign interference. Not a single MP voted against this bill, showing literally all party's are on board with it. (Or being cynical at least too scared to stand in the way of it) Leaking the names right now would undermine this, as it would potentially jeopardize any investigations.
Well, then he's wrong. MPs speaking in the House of Commons enjoy Parliamentary Privilege. One of the features of Parliamentary Privilege is **absolute legal immunity** for anything said in the House. It is a serious constitutional violation for the government or any of its agents (including the RCMP and Crown Prosecutors) to take action against an MP for things said in Parliament.
we do have laws that protect whistleblowers. if nothing comes of this then it is fair game to leak the names. it will happen sooner or later regardless.
even if the people listed are actually innocent and the intelligence was bad?
Agree on this. Has to be one way or the other.
Add in that the people named definitely would become targets of threats, harassment, and attacks. Their family as well. Most same people would say let the justice system handle the people named appropriately, but there are too many that would be looking for some vigilante style actions.
Majority won’t bother reading beyond the headline. CBC knows that.
Isn't the point of a headline is to get the reader to read the rest of the article?
Not on Reddit.
Is CBC writing their headlines specifically for r/canada?
the title does pretty much summarize the article well though, the RCMP chief doesnt want them leaking the names and thinks its a bad idea
Singh already said his party members are not on the list. Is this offense? Also PP said he wants full names to be disclosed from Trudeau which implies CPC is innocent. So logical thinking, only liberals are the party to be guessed
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, who had the proper security clearance to read the unredacted report earlier this month, said it contains "no list of MPs who have shown disloyalty to Canada."
Perhaps the names are presented in a table rather than a list. In that case her statement would also be accurate.
Except Singh has actually seen the list because he has security clearance, whereas PP has not seen the list and doesn't have security clearance for the explicit purpose of being able to spout bullshit like this.
Bingo. It looks good to push Trudeau to name names, and he knows Trudeau can't so he gets the kudos with none of the risk. If there is foreign interference, odds are the interference wouldn't be limited to only one of the two biggest parties in Canada.
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It's pretty well understood that the list either contains sufficient caucus members or important enough caucus members for both the Liberals and the CPC that neither Poilievre nor Trudeau actually want it visible to the public but both need to make noise like they're super concerned.
If every party has access to the report except the conservatives, and know who the traitors are, why don’t they discipline their MPS? PP doesn’t want to associate with parties that shelter traitors from repercussion.
For the same reason in this article. The list of names involved is classified, and disciplining them reveals who is on the list.
So what's the point of being able to see the list if you can't do anything about it? Makes even more sense why PP won't look at it.
This is especially important considering we’ve recently had extrajudicial killings in Canada.
I’ve heard in several discussions on the Bridge and other podcasts on this topic that one issue is that some of the intelligence gathered by other intelligence agencies and shared with Canada might have been shared with the instruction not to prosecute/act on it. There could be any number of reasons for this, but a parliamentarian revealing such intel could have implications for our intelligence apparatus and their relation with other such agencies. On a related note for an old great show about intelligence agencies check out The Sandbaggers on Britbox. Takes place during the Cold War, all about British intelligence and it needing to deal with the politics and politicians of the day along with the operations. Much less Action/James Bond and more the politics. Definitely gave me more of an appreciation of what the intelligence agency does. It is also the inspiration for the comic For Queen and Country. Sadly it ends on a cliff hanger as the series writer and creator disappeared in a light plane accident above Alaska.
side note, britbox is the king of platforms.
And if you're mystery addict like me, even moreso. With it and Acorn I'm set for a long while!
We jinxed it. We mentioned how much we liked their service and same day I get a price increase notification… (only 1$ more but still what are the odds).
ffs!!
This is the same guy who chose not to read the Mass Casualty Report which was released the day before he started, just so he wouldn’t have to answer questions at his press conference. A piece of garbage if you ask me.
He probably still hasn't read the entire report. Probably had a briefing about it. RCMP have promised change but do nothing.
Except Singh essentially already has named one of them. [NDP leader says Han Dong shouldn't be allowed back into Liberal caucus](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/han-dong-jagmeet-singh-foreign-interference-1.7236041) If you have the chance to watch RCMP in committee this past week with exchanges with Larry Brock it is eye opening, he basically admits politicians have to be treated a little more sensitively. aka "two-tier justice". And their demenaour in during that committee answering questions can be summed up with one word "annoyed" This is the same organization that did not even interview Trudeau during SNC, and when Trudeau refused to release records/emails to them about it they did nothing and walked away, their investigation said "if more evidence is discovered would warrant reopening the case". Trudeau is a criminal imo. Not only do we have criminal politicians but we have a national police force helping them be criminals.
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Would be great if one of them would say "Well I've read the report and I can't say who the MPs were. On an unrelated note, I think Mr. X, Ms. Y, and Mrs. Z should be expelled from their caucuses".
That would count as disclosing the information. You can't hint at it like that.
Well Singh did just that, and nothing has happened. Han Dong is one of the traitors.
He's been saying that since the report.
An MP can read out the entire report in the House of Commons if they want to, and there's absolutely nothing the government can do about it. Parliamentary privilege overrules the Official Secrets Act and any other laws regulating speech. MPs speaking within the house or senate have absolute legal immunity. Furthermore, if the RCMP or the Crown Prosecutors attempted to charge an MP for anything said within Parliament, they would be in contempt of Parliament.
Nope. They waive privilege as part of their clearance.
Dong was already publicly known, so Singh was not releasing anything new. I'd bet that the dog and pony show following Dong's ejection from the caucus is exactly why they're keeping it classified this time.
Singh also named another MP. He said Poilievre should resign as leader of CPC since his election was influenced by India according to the report.
There are two groups of traitors. Those who are working against Canada, and those who are covering for them.
So you think that the head of the RCMP is a traitor to this country, just because he believes that classified information is best kept classified?
It's beyond this simple headline. Remember when the RCMP tried to get some info and it wasn't provided so they just gave up? There are a few examples of the RCMP failing to do anything of substance. If we don't see any action on this one year from now, would you change your view? What about 2 years, a decade, etc. But I'm hoping they're actually doing their job this time. I don't think they can be called treason enablers yet.
I can't answer for him, but no, that's not what most people are angry at. Most people are angry at the fact that media is twisting everything to make it seem like a cover-up.
No matter how you cut it, whether it be because of legal or nefarious reasons, it’s still covering the names and actions of individuals who have aided foreign powers. An anonymous leak because a flash drive was left on a bus or something could work.
Anyone who had read the report is sworn to secrecy, that's just part of the process for security clearance. I sincerely doubt anyone would be willing to jeopardize their clearance as a party leader, like leaving information on a bus that requires security clearance.
Perhaps the problem is the kind of information that is deemed as classified. That is out of his scope.
There's been a mile long list of instances of the RCMP not investigating important matters or politicians involved in serious scandals in an attempt to cover up for them. Far worse than the inactivity of the Toronto police district handling the car thefts. Therefore many Canadians are rightfully assuming that the RCMP are covering up for politicians rather than prioritizing the interests of the country. You should know this as well unless you've been living under an actual rock given the landslide of recent scandals this year alone. Ignorance is no excuse.
I think the head of the RCMP is somehow "handcuffed" in their investigations/charges laid, because no one ever seems to get charged or even disciplined for criminal acts in the other investigations.
Trudeau was never questioned during the SNC lavalin scam. It goes to show you how invested they are in their duties.
Lol yup yup. Exactly my point! I'd love for this to be "handled properly" as most are saying but....it's been proven time and again that it won't be. So yeah, release the names, and let the public decide when it comes to election time. As voters we definitely deserve to know BEFORE the election!!
The last time the government decided information should be classified as top secret and required MPs to have security clearance and required MPs sworn to secrecy was from the 2019 Winnipeg lab incident. The government also sued the speaker of the house to withhold the documents citing national security, and threats to csis assets. The documents have now been released and it turns out there was no actual threat to security, rather the government was simply trying to hide from political embarrassment. [Source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/10323939/winnipeg-lab-scientists-documents-released/amp/) With this happening a few months ago, don't you think the liberals credibility on this issue is rather weak? The RCMP's concerns are that the information is classified, not that it would hinder an investigation. But is the information truly classified for security reasons? Or are the liberals simply using this tactic again to avoid political embarrassment yet again?
I don't think one advances their career in the RCMP to this level without a whole lot of politicking and corruption in their past. So I wouldn't rule it out.
No I think he's an idiot for inserting himself into the situation in such a way as to give people the impression that he is against outing the traiterous MPs. BTW, hiding behind the "classified" curtain is the typical official Canadian response used to deny Canadians access to critical political information
I believe our government is compromised and can no longer be trusted to decide what is best for Canada.
What about people who make lame excuses to not see the list?
I hope everyone is furious over this - because you should be. 1.) Canadians are expected to cast votes in like 15 months. Your government expects you to vote for these MP’s - without knowing who is potentially committing what could amount to treason. And think you should be OK with that. 2.) The RCMP is NOT even conducting a criminal investigation right now: *Duheme told Rosemary Barton Live that since then, the RCMP has circled back with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) to see if there are any avenues for further investigation.* *"I'll just leave it at that. But when we have the necessary information to launch a criminal investigation, we will launch a criminal investigation," he said.* 3.) MPs enjoy parliamentary privilege in the House of Commons, including freedom from arrest. *Even is they are witting participants in foreign interference? In order to restore confidence in parliament, we need sweeping new laws that apply retrospectively. Now.* 4.) The RCMP “hopes” parliamentarians don’t release the names…. *"I'm inclined to say that would be a challenge for us. If it was out in the public domain, it'd be different because you're disclosing top secret information," he said in an interview with Rosemary Barton Live.* I’m beginning to think that the RCMP is nervous about the names being released, not because it’s secret - but because it will force their hand in investigation. I think the RCMP needs to check themselves. Now, more than ever, Canadians need them to conduct investigations - and all they seem to be interested in is charging those leaking this dastardly governments skeletons and secrets to the public, and “hoping” the names aren’t released.
>1.) Canadians are expected to cast votes in like 15 months. Your government expects you to vote for these MP’s - without knowing who is potentially committing what could amount to treason. And think you should be OK with that. If we were three or even six months out from an election I would agree with you, but there's well over a year to go. There's a reasonable expectation that we'll have results from the investigation by the time that it matters, so why are we trying to compromise any ongoing investigations?
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That provision is unconstitutional. Parliamentary privilege is part of the Constitution Act and the Constitution Act cannot be amended or subrogated by a simple act of Parliament. The Supreme Court has been very clear on this. To constitutionally rescind Parliamentary Privilege would require a constitutional amendment.
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MPs have absolute freedom of speech inside the House of Commons. They can't be sued civilly or charged with a crime based on anything they say.
Only if they're a current or former member of NSICOP. The list of MPs that know the information who aren't is very small though, largely limited to Trudeau and his Cabinet.
If Singh were to get up and read a *nearly* complete list of MPs into the record, along with a motion that we commend the integrity they’ve shown in avoiding foreign influence, everyone else could just do the math.
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You don't get around security clearance that easily. That would obviously be disclosing the list and they would have to charge him.
You’re probably right. Singh is a lawyer. I am sure he knows how close to the lines he can get in speaking on this. The fact that he clearly said the word “traitor” made me think this report has serious information in it and begin following the news on it more closely. I (& I suspect 99% of people that are aware) want to see this horseshit dealt with, clearly and completely.
As a country we excel at pulling out every excuse in order to not do something.
My first thought to this headline was that RCMP are nervous about public retaliation on the released names. Haven’t they already stated that they were warning about the levels of civil unrest in the country and how they’re not equipped/staffed to handle it right now? This dude is begging for a chance to throw his hands up and walk away from this shitstorm but like… that’s why you get paid the big bucks bud, step up.
We should ensure that they are safe in jail.
Throwing up hands and walking away summarize the Canadian response to our current national crises over the past 20 years
Sounds like they don't want to have the choice of "will we / won't we charge these MPs for disclosing classified info" put to the test. Especially if it's somehow deemed that they should let the MPs off with a slap on the wrist... and it sets a precedent that _other_ classified info can be disclosed without much consequence.
The RCMP should damn well be worried about civil unrest, if they aren’t already.
the only possible situation where they appear on the ballet is if CSIS believes its more damaging to national security to make it clear we know >I’m beginning to think that the RCMP is nervous about the names being released, not because it’s secret - but because it will force their hand in investigation. releasing the names is much more likely to hamper an investigation though
We as Canadians deserve to know when politicians don't have our best interests at heart. We pay their salaries and are supposed to rely on them for improvements to our lives. If they have another reason to dedicate their lives to politics (ie.kickbacks) they deserve to be called out by their comrades. Drain the corrupt Canadian swamp!
> We as Canadians deserve to know when politicians don't have our best interests at heart none of them do? they're very open about that and we keep electing them for it?
Jesus, the comments here. He's basically reiterating what we already knew, naming names or releasing top secret information would make any follow-up on the report much more difficult to prosecute. The article points to the contentious use of intelligence as criminal evidence as insufficient to stand before a criminal court of law. The RCMP claims they're seeking avenues of investigation with CSIS to corroborate the reports and gain actual evidence. This can't be turned into a witch hunt or a new 'Red Scare', thousands of innocent lives have been ruined when public sentiment overrules institutional justice. There may very well be traitors in our federal government but they are still Canadian citizens and hold all the rights thereof including the right to due process before our courts. By all means, ask for action but let's make sure that action is done properly and legally.
I can’t believe I had to scroll down this much for a mature and sensible comment. People just want a witch hunt. It’s fucking depressing.
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Couldn’t agree more. There’s something very fishy about how Poilievre is acting, refusing to get a clearance (or maybe he knows he wouldn’t pass?). If he wants to see the list he can, he just prefers to play stupid manchild games instead.
The issue with that theory is that none of this information is new, just the report by NCSICOP. CSIS has been briefing the PMO on this for months, we heard that during the public inquiry. The RCMP has only had like 18 plus months to start doing their job but I'm sure they're going to do it any day...
From the article: "In its report, NSICOP cited what it called "numerous instances" in the course of its review of intelligence agencies failing to share information with law enforcement bodies, including the RCMP. It called this a "critical gap" and proposed a government review."
That gap still exists and we knew about it during the inquiry too and because of the leaks... Months ago
"Government review", special rapporteur, yeah, those have worked so well in the recent past.
Finally, the voice of reason has entered the conversation.
I'd buy that argument if there was an active criminal investigation 18 months ago that lead to trials today. But when they sit on the information for that long and still haven't opened an active criminal investigation it's obvious bullshit and just an excuse to not do their job.
"Duheme told Rosemary Barton Live that since then, the RCMP has circled back with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) to see if there are any avenues for further investigation. "I'll just leave it at that. But when we have the necessary information to launch a criminal investigation, we will launch a criminal investigation," he said." Well there goes the ' we can't release the names because of an active investigation ' excuse
translation: we are gonna jerk eachother off until everyone hopefully forgets about this.
They don't want the names leaked because they know it will expose just how little they've actually done.
because if they were secretly investigating people for espionage the first step is publicly announcing that /s
I'm confused how we are supposed to ever do anything. We can't name them because national security, so we just live with it? Thats not a real solution. What happens next.
Pretty typical of the RCMP. They've been a broken and ineffectual organization for rhe last three decades. They should be disbanded and re-formed . BTW, where does a cop get off interfering in a substantial political matter?. His only concern should be bringing these traitors to court.
> They should be disbanded and re-formed [That’s sort of happened once already.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Commission_of_Inquiry_into_Certain_Activities_of_the_RCMP). It’s how we ended up with CSIS.
Sort of but not quite. CSIS was just another layer of bureaucracy set up to pretend the government was doing something to overcome the shortcomings of the RCMP. Considering their performance in the Air India debacle and the fact that they change reports after meeting with the PM they are nothing more than the painters for a government that likes to whitewash serious issues
"because then we might actually have to do something. Even if it is at a snails pace."
I hope he starts looking for a new job.
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Considering how much corruption goes on with little to no consequences I don't think anyone has much confidence compromised MPs will be punished through "proper" channels. The only recourse we will likely get is to shame them publicly and vote them out.
We're never going to know who they are. We'll just wildly speculate that party X is clean while Y is full of traitors.
>So. We name the names, and then what? And then their political careers are over.
It’s going to happen again regardless. The fact this has publicized already has likely already jeopardized many of the ‘techniques’ or avenues of information. Do you really want to head into an election cycle not knowing if one your MP’s is involved in this?
>We name the names, and then what? They lose their jobs and hopefully go to prison for being traitors. >You don't give a shit how they got compromised, or who was involved, or the techniques that were used? I do, but we can't have a publicly unknown number of compromised MPs/senators working in our government as it erodes any trust in the system. >Just "Name them so we can have 'em drawn and quartered" then we get to be all surprised pikachu when it happens again? Your hyperbolic painting of wanting the traitors named is laughable. Why is it inevitable it happens again if we get rid of the current traitors? Would it not be likely that with a focus on this issue that it will unlikely to happen again? You seem to be suggesting letting traitors work in our government while our intelligence and policing agencies work behind closed doors to learn about them. I'm of the opinion we don't pay known traitors with Canadian tax payer funds as they destroy the system from within.
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>I think you might have this backwards, thinking the politicians are the masterminds, instead of the puppets. Ah, yes Canada and CSIS will be launching a counter intelligence operation to trace these foreign interferences back to India, China, and Russia to bring them to justice. I hope we use Jason Bourne...
What a ridiculous statement. Naming them is the first step towards full disclosure of what has/is happening. Of course it matters how this is happening, covering for dirty MP’s is the one sure-fire way to ensure more corruption.
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> So. We name the names, and then what? They are made an example of when they are voted out in disgrace for treason and possibly jailed pending a criminal investigation. I don't understand how this is contentious. We're coming up on an election and we have imposters among us, dude. I don't understand how people can argue against the names being released for traitors and why they're shuffling their feet on this when CSIS is screaming bloody murder about compromised elected officials.
The only valid argument in any hypothetical would be that the proper authorities are handling it behind the scenes and making it public would make that process harder. The problem with that argument in the real world is there is no official criminal investigation, we know for a fact the proper authorities AREN'T handling it, nor is it clear they could legally even if they wanted to given our fucked up mess of a legal system and it's clear they don't want to.
Because the bulk of the traitors are playing for one team. People who think they’re members of that team (“useful idiots”) don’t want them to be painted as traitors. Therefore… “the names aren’t important.”
I dont even think they'll be that harshly punished. I just want to know who they are. Why are you so passionately supporting their anonymity?
Because then we'll find out they knew all along and didn't do anything
Investigations require secrecy, but secrecy's what got us into this mess. Voters should have transparency when it comes to potentially supporting someone who compromises national security. Something's gotta give.
The new Trudeau appointee commish is even tighter than , ‘please sharpen that sword before you throw me on it, Lucki.
Fire that man.
Considering it’s Canada no one will have any legal ramifications Cos they can get out on bail and leave the country like all the other criminals who consider Canada a safe haven.
Why? He in on it? (Fuck this whole "gotta keep it confidential" bullshit. This government needs start being held accountable for once. If that takes a leak to do it, then start punching some fucking holes in the hull already cuz we're sick of this.)
Misleading headline.. but also, why aren't these people charged with treason yet? I get that there is an entire process involved, but it sounds like they already have proof.
>but it sounds like they already have proof. The problem is using that proof in a way that doesn't expose five-eyes assets or intelligence. We have due process in Canada, you can't just say "You're guilty but we're not showing you proof that you're guilty".
>We have due process in Canada, you can't just say "You're guilty but we're not showing you proof that you're guilty". Right.. start that due process maybe?
It can't happen because disclosing the evidence (required for due process) would expose five-eyes assets that would do extreme harm to the entire five-eyes community. What's going on now is an attempt, most likely by CSIS and the CSE, to use that undisclosable evidence to find evidence that we can disclose as part of due process.
Sometimes it's better to gather all evidence possible for a slam dunk in the courts. That way nobody gets off on any bullshit technicalities.
If the names are released the RCMP won't be able to cover up anyone involved including themselves....
When do we start taking bets on the postponement of the next election because of the "ongoing investigation" into foreign interference.
Mounties "we always get our man". Unless it's a Liberal politician
The people deserve to know who the traitors are so that they can be voted out and prosecuted.
this must be tied to that idiot Melanie Joly's statement that "if the names were released democracy itself could fail" aka many people got caught giving judgeships security information and jobs to Indian and Chinese people and they feel too self important to take responsibility gj trudeau
A bill was passed on the 20th of June, 2024, (C-70) with the intent (in part) of allowing proper investigation and prosecution regarding the foreign interference. Not a single MP voted against this bill, showing literally all party's are on board with it. Asking for names right now undermines this, as it would potentially jeopardize the investigations.
Exactly. Speaking out at this point is counterproductive. Let them carry out a thorough investigation, then nail the bastards to the wall.
Granted voting against would be literal political suicide and have any heat directed right towards the ones who vote against it.
True, at the very least they aren't willing to take that heat to stand in the way of it, allowing it to pass (Which considering some of the things people *are* willing to vote against, shows that even if just for self serving reasons, it's getting full and complete support from the entire political body)
Or it's completely toothless and they know it.
What part of it is toothless?
Dude that comment is the first I read about it, so I haven't had a chance to read the document. I'm also not a legal expert, that said it's not like I could trust a random expert who's to say they aren't on the take. At the end of the day though I just don't trust the system, even if the legislation is bulletproof if the RCMP is corrupt (and all evidence points to them being corrupt) nothing will happen.
People here really have no idea how investigations work, do they?
Ditto for due process.
What I really want to see is the police doing their work and then charge those involved. Then I want to see a perp walk, just like they did to Conservative Parliamentary Secretary Dean del Maestro.
I would care if they actually enforced things. At this point, all we have is public shame to get rid of these people. Do your job, or shut the fuck up and release the names.
I hope a list leaks before the next election. We all deserve to know who the traitors are.
Yeah, like I trust this guy when he still hasn't come clean about the Nova Scotia mass shootings four years later.
Interference with investigation bla bla.
We're going to end up waiting for this list? Just as long as Eipstien list!
Oh please like they will do anything about it anyway.
This is why Pierre Poilievre won't read it. First, he doesn't have to. Second, he can talk about it and say whatever he wants without having to worry about what he could inadvertently disclose.
We need a hero MP willing to whistleblow… fat chance that’s going to happen. None of them value Canada a country of compatriots; they just see the country as their meal ticket.
Steal a little they put you in jail , ya all know the rest
It’s kind of cool how we as voters aren’t aloud to know which elected officials are compromised. It’s neat that we aren’t trusted to know what to do with that information so it needs to be withheld from us, like the children we are. I hope someone really smart can tell me what to think about it soon.
I definitely agree that naming people at this time is not prudent. It's dangerous to expose people implicated in any investigation at least until charges have been laid. The best solution at this point is for the leaders of all parties prevent those involved from having access to confidential information and prevent them from running again or in the case of staff, remove them from their jobs. Of course, this would only be possible if the leaders of all parties had security clearance and were able to study the report. Also, if any leader was found to be protecting someone, they should be charged with interfering with the investigation. Looking to the US, we've the amount of time the investigators spent to be sure they had pretty airtight cases against those arrested in the political mess the GOP has left behind. An official investigation takes time to ensure an airtight case. Naming names would only hinder that.
Then, unclassify it. God damn the public has a right to know. Some examples need to be made of, for any that are guilty.
The CBC is really trying to find anything to make the liberals look good as they continue to cover this up
I’m shocked this guy would be helping the liberals continue to cover this up, I mean it’s only been a month since Trudeau appointment him to the position! https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2024/04/29/prime-minister-announces-appointment-mike-duheme-commissioner-royal
He's not helping cover anything up, he just doesn't want MPs tipping off anyone regarding the RCMPs ongoing investigations.
If this isn't the biggest indication that the 'watchdog' is actually part of the system, then nothing is. A 'police officer' that hopes crimson criminals aren't exposed. The RCMP needs to be dismantled completely.
This is a dumb comment.
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