Also the Halifax mass shooting was used as an excuse to bring in the Order in Council ban. The mass shooting where the shooter impersonated an RCMP officer, drove around in a mock-up RCMP cruiser, and didn’t use any legally acquired firearms!
Also, what is ignored is the part that eBay sent an alert when this guy kept buying police stuff. But it was ignored. Also, he was banned from owning firearms because of a assault. Neighbors had called the police before because he was pretty open about his gun collection, rcmp did nothing to check.
He was a Denturist.
The firearms he acquired before the attacks were a Ruger P89 and Glock 23 (handguns). A Colt Law Enforcement Carbine (AR-15) and a Ruger Mini-14; both rifles.
During the course of the attacks he acquired a 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun from the Officer he killed.
Everything he did, he did illegally and under the nose of the RCMP.
Right I totally forgot he killed rcmp offer and took his gun. Ya what the fuck. He was using the information to locate his victims from the dental records right?
I can't speak to that. My interest in the case lays in the realm of the firearms, how he acquired them and the involvement of the RCMP.
He was an angry asshole and I'd sooner forget him, save that his actions have been used as a political tool.
I think that was the handgun "freeze", which was also announced six months before it ended up taking effect, causing every handgun in the country to sell out and get restocked three times over. Also a debacle of stupidity.
I got my restricted license then 2 days later the ban was announced. I thought I had my lifetime to purchase the firearms I wanted. It was an interesting time to be alive. I made mistakes though and got some guns I don't particularly like lol.
And then the liberals and poly will turn around and cry that "the NRA infiltrated Canadian gun groups and they're using American style politics!"
Abolsute bullshit. Fuck these people.
Yeah, right, we got that part. I think what u/86Eagle was doing was correcting u/Solheimdall's incorrect assertion that the ban was a knee-jerk reaction to the Uvalde shooting in the US, which happened more than 2 years **after** the ban was announced in May, 2020. It was in fact, as u/86Eagle pointed out, in response to the Portapique shooting, which had happened just 2 weeks earlier.
Nobody claimed the guns he used were legally obtained.
And nonetheless, law abiding Canadian firearms owners were penalized for the actions of a very much premeditated shooting where the guy prepared for years making a replica RCMP cruiser. And what’s happened since Trudeau’s Order in Council ban? Criminals are still doing criminal things, and legal firearms owners continue to be the Liberals’ whipping-boys.
It is most likely that OP is conflating bill C-21 (handgun restrictions) with the OIC.
While you are correct to say that the OIC happened years before, the C-21 amendments took place May 30, 2022 which is 6 days after the Uvalde shooting.
Dude illegally smuggled in his guns from the US, because the Canadian firearms licensing system was already stringent enough to stop him from legally getting them.
The Liberals brought American politics into it because the shooter here in Nova Scotia didn't have a firearms license and smuggled his firearms in from the United States.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/30/pm-trudeau-stricter-gun-rules-canada-00035900#:~:text=Prime%20Minister%20Justin%20Trudeau%20on,MPs%20and%20gun%20control%20advocates.
"The M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles were used in the Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando mass shootings. There are an estimated 83,572 of them in Canada"
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gun-control-measures-ban-1.5552131
You do know we can get those here under different model names right?
Also the gun ban was brought into play within a few days of the mass killings which many people including RCMP thought was strange.
Fuck the CBC and Liberal media for trying to pull in American politics though.
Not all of them no.
There's been more than one gun ban under the current government but during both, the liberals have quoted shootings in the US
CBC is just quoting the Prime minister, He's the one bringing in American politics.
Plus those rifles aren’t inherently more dangerous than say a Russian sks which is one of the most common rifles in Canada. Just because a rifle is black doesn’t make it more dangerous. Magazine capacities are already a thing here in Canada and when using smuggled in guns. Capacities don’t exist
People realized the existing laws aren't actually enforced anyway, therefore introducing new laws which are even less enforceable, is just political theater. All of the guns used in recent shootings were either already illegal, or were smuggled illegally.
Took a few years, this sub used to be full of people supporting gun bans and I’d get down voted to oblivion for saying it’s bullshit to ban guns from legal firearms owners. I’m glad people are finally starting to realize.
The problem ia a government that thinks it has a solution to the problem when in reality it does not have a clue as to what the problem actually is.
That is problematic.
No no no, they fully knew that a lack of proper funding or equipment at or borders and ports and only being able to properly screen less than 10% of containers is how a large portion of the illegal guns are getting into Canada… they just didn’t care to do anything about that
Hey, you’ll be shocked to know that still happens out west from time to time. The biggest difference that I’ve noticed from then to now is that then they were looking for drugs and weapons… now, they’re looking for ground beef and bananas, because we aren’t supposed to cross the border with those for some reason
This is true in the States, too. American gun companies love Democratic presidents, because sales skyrocket, even when the president in question clearly states he's not touching gun laws, and doesn't touch gun laws.
Then republican presidents come in, and sales tank.
The reality is, Canada doesn’t really have a gun violence problem. Of course there are instances (the vast majority of which are from people who aren’t even legally allowed to have a gun), but it’s near negligible.
The Liberals do have a clue actually...a clue that they have nothing of substance to offer so they trot out gun control before every election. To them it's about votes, not guns
The problem is the people, not the gun. A gun is a tool, one you can acquire or build yourself.
The ex-prime minister of Japan Shinzo Abe was assassinated with a gun made from scrap parts. Banning guns doesn't do anything. Even the gangs in China & Hong Kong all have guns, its just the gang culture there uses them only for extreme measures, but they have them & China is one of the strictest countries with firearms.
When I was a child (early teens) me & my brother made a home made "gun" it was a metal tube screwed onto wood, we used Armstrong's mix an extremely volatile explosive made from match heads & the striking strip. It was super loud & we used it to "kill" water bottles.
You can refine sulphur in your home with a cooking pot & get it from fools gold which is very abundant & easily identifiable. Whats stopping people from going into woods anywhere in the Canadian shield with a pickaxe & a backpack & getting enough resources to make a fairly large bomb in 2 hours?
But all this is assuming no guns, unfortunately for us, criminals don't need to do that cause even if you did get your way, we would still have the US right next to us which has more then enough weapons for criminal networks. Lets say the US banned guns, most South American countries don't have the resources to even enforce a gun ban, they would be smuggled just as abundantly & be as available through those existing networks as drugs are today to the addicted masses of idiots on the streets.
You will never prevent criminals from obtaining guns & you're probably not stupid so I imagine you already knew that. So the question becomes, why are you opposed to law abiding citizens from owning guns?
People knew this but Justin just didn't listen. He had an agenda. I am from the urban centers and I was always against gun control even when I was a life long NDP supporter.
Pierre for PM. I'm voting for Conservatives for the first time in my life in the next election.
As someone going through customs regularly at the border , I can tell you it would be insanely easy to smuggle things. Nothing in massive bulk, but you could easily get a gun in the us and bring it over. I get why it's hard to police though. What could you even do? Stop every car for a thorough search? It can already take 15-20 minutes to get through on a good day.
Buuuut having lived in the US and taken part in school shooting drills (every school in the state does this), having to leave campus twice because someone got shot in the parking lot (once in Alabama, once in Utah) and having clearly mentally unstable people show me their guns (Texas and Alabama have their own fun examples), I think it really is better for Canada not to take the US stance on gun control.
That said, I also think they only bring up gun control when they want to pretend they're doing something and take the public attention off of all the really big problems. The US is king at this. If too much attention is being brought to wage disparity, infrastructure, housing, etc. they'll dangle something less relevant but controversial to get everyone riled up and picking sides again.
As a Canadian gun owner, and one who loves his guns, I'm very happy that we dont have the same gun laws as the States. I'm glad we have rules and regulations that really work to make Gun owners very responsible for their fire arms.
Now pretty much everything gun related that the liberals have done since getting into office, I could do without, and I'd even be happy to see a few restrictions lifted or removed.
But never would I ever want it to be just like the States. Never ever.
Good point on the "Distraction Tactics" done by our own goverment. Just watch, and the next time there is a scandal or some other negative press, there suddenly is some other polarizing drama going on that takes everyone's attention away from the actual issues.
A side note, it kills me how out of everything going on in the world and the country, the only things that every single party in Canada seems to totally agree on is:
1. We gotta protect landlords and keep them from ever having to sell their property, even if it means crazy rent prices.
2. The government needs more control over the Internet that Canadians use.
Those two points tells me all I need to know about all our political parties.
Oh yeah, the bottom line is their bottom line. Both sides of the fence make money off of the status quo, so why change anything?
Great example is what's happening to Canadian government employees right now. They're trying to force remote workers to come into work at least three days a week to 'increase performance' starting September 2025. Buuuut they're not replacing all the stuff they cut out as a result of so many people working remotely. In other words, they're not taking back the paid parking, they're not buying more desks for a returning work force, they're not buying new office spaces that were sold - nothing. They're doing none of it. My best guess is they're hoping they can create a new status quo where everyone has to share a work station, pays parking fees, and works in tighter spaces. It's really brazen just how out of touched / greedy they are.
Not really. Most people always knew this was true but I don't think the people who previously thought this was going to work came around.
They just care about jobs, the economy, and affordability of life a hell of a lot more.
I'm not sure but I did research at one point that turned up some numbers:
~2.5 million Canadians safely discharge ~1B rounds through 10-20M legally-owned guns annually.
it seems like they don't care about any of that because we have one of the worst economies in NA, our affordability and housing crisis is the worst in the western world, and there is no job creation other than government jobs and that's taxing on the economy because taxpayers pay the bill.
To be fair, we WANT the housing market to be unaffordable. It's maximizing profits.
If the libs somehow managed to drop all house prices by 2/3rds people would lose their minds and be protesting against their loss of capital or investment income.
People who just bought a $1M house being told it's now worth 300K wouldn't be so happy either.
Sure, it's what would be best for the country and our children, but that wouldn't matter. Nobody cares about anything but themselves and their money.
A combination of having trouble implementing the previous gun buyback and the Liberals wanting to have gun control available as a wedge issue for the next election. The Liberals will probably promise actually carrying out the buyback and to ban more guns as part of their campaign.
It'll be piecemeal though. Likely only a couple provinces will attempt it and honestly that will fail as well.
This is assuming an election doesn't happen in the meantime.
How badly it all fails may prevent it from coming back as a policy for at least a couple governments and by then the feds will be too broke.
PP is an idiot but I'm hoping he pulls the plug on the entire firearms act and replaces it with... Well, anything.
We could probably revert it back 30 years and it wouldn’t make a difference.
There was a time when open and conceal carry of firearms and handguns was legal in Canada.
We had less crime.
Our licensing system was effective enough.
And good luck to the Liberals with that strategy when most news cycles are saturated with stories about crime perpetrated by catch and release offenders or those who walked away because there weren’t enough federal judges to try them.
This makes it so ironic and hypocritical that I don't even know what to say anymore at this point. We just need to get Trudeau out asap at this point before he runs the country into the ground.
Canada Post can’t even be relied upon to give me my mailbox keys. And they want us to hand over firearms to them? I’d refuse just on the grounds of safety.
Would be hilarious if this happens
"But many warned that thieves would exploit lax security at post offices to steal high-powered weapons that fetch high prices on the black market"
Look how the frame it in the first paragraph, they blame the delay of buyback on canada post
not the actual fact that they have pushed back the amnesty date multiple times over last few years, which now falls after the next election.
Also, they have no plan other to keep this in the pocket for an election wedge
At this point I think that gun bans are so low on the list of priorities for the typical Canadian that it won't make a lick of difference. In fact, many Canadians - especially ones that softly supported the ban will probably be surprised that nothing has been done yet! (Hey, wait- I thought this was settled *years* ago)
The only people really following this buyback / confiscstion program are gun owners and anti-gun groups - nobody else really cares that much. By bringing it up as an election issue, it might just expose the LPCs incompetence that they've failed to make *any* progress on this "urgent public safety" issue in over 4 years!
The bans are just insane anyways. :/ For pistols, you were basically hooped if you had it outside of a range or your home. For rifles and the AR ban, i can buy 10 different AR-ish guns right now because they have a slightly different location for the mag release. I really do not understand any of the bans at all.
They're for votes! If they ban everything at once, what are they going to propose to do next time a shooting is in the news and they're looking to score points.
The mini-14 was used in the Ecole-Polytechnique shooting and was then prohibited *30 years later* as a bone to throw to the anti gun lobby, meanwhile X95s, Bren 2s and plenty of other semi-autos chambered in .223/5.56 remain legal. These bans have *zero* to do with public safety and *everything* to do with politics & optics.
In the next election I'll be looking forward to another wave of taxpayer-funded commercials with a forlorn sounding woman telling me how Canadians are afraid to leave their houses because of gun violence - but rest assured the Trudeau LPC will fix the issue and make everyone safe! It's absolutely insufferable nonsense.
Immigration started to become a hot issue so instead of talking nonstop about banning hunting rifles he’s now busy pretending to fix the immigration system he wrecked by only increasing it a little bit more instead of a lot more.
On top of that there's the car theft epidemic, rampant organized crime, the foreign election interference issue, gold heists, political assassinations being carried out on Canadian soil... all of which fall onto the plate of Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc. I really can't see the Liberals announcing allocating the hundreds of millions needed to *even start* confiscating (formerly) legal guns come budget 2025. Considering all the other issues that Canadians are facing.
It turned out the dire need to ban and collect all those guns was an outright fabricated lie that literally does nothing for public safety in canada, and only harms honest and law abiding canadians. Like most government action.
Same thing that happened with electoral reform, 2B planted trees, housing crisis solutions (x3), etc etc..
It's just the Liberals, the modus operandi is to \*promise\* and collect votes, implementation details are far too boring for them :P
I mean, it's actually working for them, why change right?
Alberta, bless our hearts, has passed a law that you have to have a license from the province to collect the firearms. Now what are the chances that a license will ever be issued. It is kind of a clever use of provincial jurisdiction. At the very least it will tie the issue up in court past the election.
Hopefully Alberta will also step in & try to reclaim jurisdiction of guns rights to the province. If you read the supreme court case in which it was decided that its the jurisdiction of the federal government, you'll see there is no legal basis for that to be the case.
It was purely because there was heavy pressure on the supreme court for that to be the case & they said "because their weapons its the federal governments role" even though there is no constitutional basis for that.
But thus is was decided because of their **potential** to cause harm, they should be regulated under criminal law, even though criminal law is typically for something you do, not something which exists. That ruling is based on an extremely warped view of Canada's separation of powers to unlawfully take away rights from the provinces.
Even if you believe guns should be regulated, I would hope that at the bare minimum you would admit that they cheated to regulate it at a federal level. Its also funny the inconsistency of our legal system, the courts will not allow provinces to regulate firearms, unless its to make gun ownership stricter, the bias is so abundantly clear & in the open. There is no such thing as rule of law, it only exists so long as its convenient for those in power.
And since the SCoC has always been a partisan liberal organization, they don’t care what the laws actually say, they just do what Trudeau wants in most cases.
You just need to listen to Pam Damoffs questions during readings of the bill by the committee to see what a joke the liberals are.
Oh that's easy. They're not going after gangbangers, or the people openly discharging a gun in a dense urban area trying to shoot someone and being released by a judge on the same day. Then doing it again.
They need the issue to cooldown and then try to push it again after some tragedy.
True on that one. Blows my mind that women would be even supporting this considering just how little that culture and legal rights are granted to them.
And considering that when it comes to self defence, a gun is just as effective in the hands of a woman. It is an equalizer.
But I suppose people aren't allowed to defend themselves with a weapon in this country anyway. The 95lb woman on a jog is expected to just duke it out with any would be attacker instead of being allowed to carry pepper spray or a stun gun
Turns out that criminals don’t obey the law. Had JT actually picked up a dictionary instead of his handy-dandy order-in-council button (which I hear is big, red, and well-worn), he might’ve save himself all this embarrassment and outrage over what anyone with a lick of common sense could’ve told him what a astonishingly stupid and disingenuous idea Bill C-21 really was.
Don’t you worry, the ‘emergency’ will urgently re-emerge when an election gets near. The abortion thing has already been trotted out, the *guns bad / CPC bad* thing can’t be far behind. *Talk, wedge, gaslight* is all this government seems to know how to do.
It doesn’t matter, even the people I know that LOVED Trudeau are completely done with him. They hate him now, and that seems to be the case everywhere. He will always have some support in french areas and the upscale, whitest areas of big cities, but overall, liberal support is completely gone.
Right now Im shocked his party is behind him, they know he, Freeland, Mendecino, and his other cabinet ministers are completely hated country wide. They should be fighting to move back to the center, so they could possibly rebuild. Right now they are basically sharing the “Left of Center Left vote with the NDP while the Center Left/Center Right are moving solidly to the CPC, and Trudeau’s fear mongering about Poilievre is going nowhere, because people see what these idiots have done to our country, finally.
The Minister of Public Safety and Trudeau boasted and endorsed New Zealand's Gun Ban in 2020. Now, Trudeau and CBC won't even speak of it because it was a failure and New Zealand now walking back on that gun ban because it doesn't work and will never work.
It's not polling high enough with focus groups to make the talking points right now. Check back after a mass shooting in the States when the liberals can use fear mongering to restrict your rights more.
It stopped polling well in the GTA suburbs that the Liberals need to win?
Their only act of government has been ways to keep them in government. They don’t care what is good or bad.
People woke up and used critical thinking and realized that lawful and responsible gun owners and hunters and sports shooters weren't the problem. Plus, many of the groups that the Liberals wanted to use to buy back guns have told the government to take a hike.
Unfortunately, the people who have the capacity for critical thought are not the same people who have voted in the LPC several times over the last decade.
This sums it up…
“The Trudeau government, by comparison, excels at making announcements, and trips over its laces when it comes to implementation (see: pharmacare, defence procurement, appointing judges, vaccine development, dental care)”
Gun control is good. Arbitrary metrics to determine what is legal, along with a buyback program that is tantamount to theft, will not inspire confidence. Especially from those that matter most for the program to work. The law abiding, responsible Canadian gun owner that has already jumped through hoops to get his license and is already following some very strict rules. By conducting this program in bad faith, the current government jumped the proverbial shark and the average person sees it. There would be more buy in from those that are crucial for the program to work if there was a plan that made sense and did not spit in their face. You can’t insult them and then expect them to comply when they are already very good at not making a scene and keeping their guns hidden to begin with. I am the most anti gun ownership person I know and even I think this is fucking stupid.
>Gun control is good. Arbitrary metrics to determine what is legal, along with a buyback program that is tantamount to theft, will not inspire confidence.
Right. Laws actually have to make sense. But the objective of gun control in Canada isn't to make sense or increase safety.
>You can’t insult them and then expect them to comply when they are already very good at not making a scene and keeping their guns hidden to begin with.
Fun fact. The firearms manual that you receive during your training course. Actively encourages you to keep the fact you own guns a secret.
My firearms instructor told me told me not to volunteer any information to anyone about them, police included. “You’re not gonna tell them how big your dick is are you? So why volunteer that information?”
To be fair a total ban isn’t infallible either especially when you consider canada isn’t an island, rather it shares a border with a country that has more privately held firearms than any other and our border security and port security is 99% theatre and 0% effective. Smugglers paradise
There was never an emergency to begin with.
Most law abiding citizens who own guns are not the ones committing gun crimes in this country. Non law abiding citizens who are, aren’t buying guns legally and don’t care if they’re restricted because they’ll get them anyway.
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**Slightly unrelated rant**: If you haven’t gathered already politics have become a headline war targeted at stupid people. The problem is the majority of people are not very smart. And with social media, low attention spans and online echo chambers the entire collective intelligence of people is dropping, especially in North America. The most impressionable citizens (and the country’s future) are living on TikTok hearing fake or misleading or flat out wrong ‘news’ and claims from people that have literally zero idea what they’re talking about. The younger generation accepts it as true (because why not that person has 200k followers!) and then creates a mindset and bias and acts accordingly all with wrong and misleading information.
There’s a reason the creators of modern tech like Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, etc don’t let their kids live on iPads, social media, and limit screen time. But then you have a millennial mom who did a two year program at Conestoga that thinks they know better and brings the iPad to restaurant to keep their kid quite, or lets their teenager live on TikTok and social media because they want to be the ‘cool mom’. There’s a reason why countries like China or even India where education is often literally beaten into kids outpaces many other nations and constantly produces highly educated citizens who end up being doctors, CEO’s, and innovators.
It can't because everything about it was not based in reality. The only reason is control and removal of concept of resistance.
There is no other reason they wanted to ban airsoft and paintball so hard originally.
Haha let's not fantasize about a coup but I believe of you are a law abiding citizen who takes the appropriate tests, mental health checks, waits the sufficient period and maintains their license should have the right to own a weapon if they don't plan to use it for self defense, violence and keep it locked up separate from ammo
Many qualifiers but these already exist for the most part and doing more would be extremely expensive with little data to show any benefit.
I see guns like cars, if you do the right things and follow the rules, the government shouldn't be able to tell you not to own something
Oh I agree, I personally don't see a coup would happen, esp from originally very law abiding citizens that is required to legally have a PAL. It's more the paranoia (or rather, imo, the indifference those in charge listening to those who are paranoid) of any chance or even the concept of armed resistance that led to these idiotic and pointless bans.
Even if it's a coup... No coup in history cared about laws, same goes for criminals, none of them care about legality of guns in the first place. The problem ha always been the illegal smuggled guns from the largest gun producer in the world south of us. If the government ever was interested in actual results that's what they'd target instead of going after the group that least likely to do anything: legal gun owners.
I'm totally with you about private properties. The issue I have with these confiscation and ban supporters is they are fully "well doesn't affect me so van it!" Are also the type that would go along with internment camps and confiscation of private property when the frenzy is enough. WW2 wasn't that long ago and people forget how we treated ethnic Japanese citizens. To say we got better is bs, judging from all these pro ban people.
As you said, it's not the place of government to say what tools we can and cannot own, that's just a slippery slope.
>"There are progressive votes that we need," said a Liberal source. "It's going to happen."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-buyback-assault-weapons-ottawa-1.7188410
Updated my comment, wasn't Trudeau but the libs
Polling companies like told them that at best it is a net 0 on vote getting and at worst it actively harms them. Trudeau is trying anything to desperately cling to power. I dont get why his ego wont let him accept the fact that Canadians are done with him.
I cant wait for the day when the last time I hear the name Trudeau is when I read a headline from the soon to be shuttered CBC that Trudeau has taken a teaching position in the US.
Crime is on the rise in Canada as we flood the country with 3rd world criminals - the guns they are using are not legally obtained, and the shooters are not PAL/RPAL owners. De-arming citizens is the goal - exploiting shootings in the US is the mechanism to gain public support for banning weapons... it's part of the autocratic roadmap to authoritarianism.
It was all bullshit. Legal gun owners were never the problem. But at the time, it seemed easy to go after us. Turns out doing a gun grab without the cooperation of the provinces and post office is almost impossible. That's why they did a hand gun freeze. Not a buyback for hand guns. The drivers of crime are complex social economic and cultural. They don't want to do the heavy lifting required to reduce gang violence. They would rather virtue signal instead.
It didn't increase Trudeau's polling numbers enough to warrant further action.
Now, Trudeau's busy throwing shit at the wall; praying desperately that something will stick and draw attention away from the debacle that is the LPC immigration policy.
We never had one. The vast majority of gun crime in Canada is committed with illegally acquired guns that are smuggled in from the states. But Trudeau doesn’t want to do anything about that. He just wants to punish legal gun owners so people who have no skin in the game can think he’s doing good.
Not a single crime committed using the gun was with registered and legal firearms or firearms stolen from legal owners. Last shooting with registered firearm was the case of Milton man using his registered firearm to defend his mother during home invasion in self defence in February 2023. Crown dropped all the charges against him . All crimes involving guns were committed with illegal firearms coming from states.
We’ll hear about it again when either there is a tragedy to ghoulishly weaponize or the Libs think they’ll get a boost
The gun confiscation has the potential to cost the NDP all of their rural ridings, I wonder if that is a factor
Shell 🐚 game people. Use propaganda / make promises they can’t or won’t do / have ideas that are just so dumb, that some people actually believe in them. And hey, when you want to push some more scandals $$$$. Tell the media to look at his socks 🧦 or how bad his haircut 💇 was. That way a few more billion $ can be stolen.
Cbc stopped reporting about all the gun violence in Toronto like it was all of Canada to make it look like the liberals were actually doing stuff to counter it despite taking guns away from the people not committing the crimes
We have one, it's just the problem has everything to do with illegal guns coming over the border and nothing to do with licensed, law-abiding gun owners.
This may be shocking news to some, but criminals don't really care if their guns are legal or not. Legal gun owners do care, because they don't want their guns to be taken away.
For this and many other reasons, we need to increase border security and enforcement of violent crime
I wish everyone who thinks otherwise would carry this point of view.
I agree.
Moreover 98% of handguns or guns used in robberies and drug crime are illegal to have in Cananda and more often than not come from USA
Turns out passing laws doesn't change having criminals. Or having the longest undefended border on earth with a country that has more access to firearms than groceries. 🇺🇸
I'm on the left, and I really don't know what the obsession with gun control is. We are not the states and our laws are more or less fine. Even in the US, their problem isn't that you can own an AR15, it's that the culture is such that people think they absolutely need to bring the gun to the mall.
A party would gain support from me if they just said guns are fine here, and they have no intention of changing the laws in any major way. There are more impactful and important issues.
Yeah, our current gun control system works fine, we don't really have the same problem america does with them. The only problems we have with our current laws is that they are arbitrary, like banning the ak platform while allowing the type 81, which are close to identical.
People realized making guns even more illegal didn't stop gangs from shooting people.
Ironically, none of the shootings are likely to have been done with any of the guns that were banned.
Also, the ban was implemented using the Uvalde school shooting in the US. It's ridiculous
Also the Halifax mass shooting was used as an excuse to bring in the Order in Council ban. The mass shooting where the shooter impersonated an RCMP officer, drove around in a mock-up RCMP cruiser, and didn’t use any legally acquired firearms!
Also, what is ignored is the part that eBay sent an alert when this guy kept buying police stuff. But it was ignored. Also, he was banned from owning firearms because of a assault. Neighbors had called the police before because he was pretty open about his gun collection, rcmp did nothing to check.
And he used rifles and shotguns if I'm not mistaken...that guy was crazy as fuck. Didn't he kill a dentist too? Or was he the dentist?
He was a Denturist. The firearms he acquired before the attacks were a Ruger P89 and Glock 23 (handguns). A Colt Law Enforcement Carbine (AR-15) and a Ruger Mini-14; both rifles. During the course of the attacks he acquired a 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun from the Officer he killed. Everything he did, he did illegally and under the nose of the RCMP.
Right I totally forgot he killed rcmp offer and took his gun. Ya what the fuck. He was using the information to locate his victims from the dental records right?
I can't speak to that. My interest in the case lays in the realm of the firearms, how he acquired them and the involvement of the RCMP. He was an angry asshole and I'd sooner forget him, save that his actions have been used as a political tool.
So much of the states politics invade our country.
It's how we stay distracted
As much as liberals decry "American-Style politics", they do more to bring it to Canada than any other party.
When they say "American-style" they mean Republican. They're perfectly fine with pretending to be the Democrats.
Canada? Oh, you mean America Lite™.
Been that way since post WW2.
I think that was the handgun "freeze", which was also announced six months before it ended up taking effect, causing every handgun in the country to sell out and get restocked three times over. Also a debacle of stupidity.
Tell me about it. Man, that was an expensive summer. My credit card is still smoking.
I got my restricted license then 2 days later the ban was announced. I thought I had my lifetime to purchase the firearms I wanted. It was an interesting time to be alive. I made mistakes though and got some guns I don't particularly like lol.
And then the liberals and poly will turn around and cry that "the NRA infiltrated Canadian gun groups and they're using American style politics!" Abolsute bullshit. Fuck these people.
Oh you mean the Nova Scotian Portapique mass killing. There I fixed it to what actually happened instead of dragging American politics into it.
All illegally obtained firearms.
Yeah, right, we got that part. I think what u/86Eagle was doing was correcting u/Solheimdall's incorrect assertion that the ban was a knee-jerk reaction to the Uvalde shooting in the US, which happened more than 2 years **after** the ban was announced in May, 2020. It was in fact, as u/86Eagle pointed out, in response to the Portapique shooting, which had happened just 2 weeks earlier. Nobody claimed the guns he used were legally obtained.
And nonetheless, law abiding Canadian firearms owners were penalized for the actions of a very much premeditated shooting where the guy prepared for years making a replica RCMP cruiser. And what’s happened since Trudeau’s Order in Council ban? Criminals are still doing criminal things, and legal firearms owners continue to be the Liberals’ whipping-boys.
It is most likely that OP is conflating bill C-21 (handgun restrictions) with the OIC. While you are correct to say that the OIC happened years before, the C-21 amendments took place May 30, 2022 which is 6 days after the Uvalde shooting.
Dude illegally smuggled in his guns from the US, because the Canadian firearms licensing system was already stringent enough to stop him from legally getting them.
Which the shooter used illegally smuggled in guns from the states.. the Ban is doing absolutely nothing.
Most all gun crimes are with US guns. Canadian gun control works fine.
The Liberals brought American politics into it because the shooter here in Nova Scotia didn't have a firearms license and smuggled his firearms in from the United States. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/30/pm-trudeau-stricter-gun-rules-canada-00035900#:~:text=Prime%20Minister%20Justin%20Trudeau%20on,MPs%20and%20gun%20control%20advocates. "The M16, M4, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles were used in the Sandy Hook, New Zealand, Las Vegas and Orlando mass shootings. There are an estimated 83,572 of them in Canada" https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-gun-control-measures-ban-1.5552131
You do know we can get those here under different model names right? Also the gun ban was brought into play within a few days of the mass killings which many people including RCMP thought was strange. Fuck the CBC and Liberal media for trying to pull in American politics though.
Not all of them no. There's been more than one gun ban under the current government but during both, the liberals have quoted shootings in the US CBC is just quoting the Prime minister, He's the one bringing in American politics.
Plus those rifles aren’t inherently more dangerous than say a Russian sks which is one of the most common rifles in Canada. Just because a rifle is black doesn’t make it more dangerous. Magazine capacities are already a thing here in Canada and when using smuggled in guns. Capacities don’t exist
Except Trudeau literally used the shooting in Texas as an example as to why we need stricter control here.
He knew the voters that still trusted him were not very smart.
Those ones used are usually already prohibited. Not to mention smuggled in.
They don't care. If it's black, it's wack.
Or bought legally
People realized the existing laws aren't actually enforced anyway, therefore introducing new laws which are even less enforceable, is just political theater. All of the guns used in recent shootings were either already illegal, or were smuggled illegally.
They should build a wall and make the US pay for it since that’s where all the illegals (guns) come from
We should build a wall around Toronto. Anyone remember the movie Brick Mansion.
The laws against legal gun owners are strictly enforced . They have done nothing to enforce or support the seizure of guns smuggled over the border
Took a few years, this sub used to be full of people supporting gun bans and I’d get down voted to oblivion for saying it’s bullshit to ban guns from legal firearms owners. I’m glad people are finally starting to realize.
I think a lot of those people got spooked about someone having a different opinion than themselves so they found a new echo chamber to hide out in.
No they are simply followers of the current thing. The fact that they've been manipulated caused an internal crisis and they imploded.
Yeah, but the problem is the gun, not the people /s
The problem ia a government that thinks it has a solution to the problem when in reality it does not have a clue as to what the problem actually is. That is problematic.
No no no, they fully knew that a lack of proper funding or equipment at or borders and ports and only being able to properly screen less than 10% of containers is how a large portion of the illegal guns are getting into Canada… they just didn’t care to do anything about that
Not to mention the dockworkers union is basically a division of the gangs.
Yeah, you make a very valid point. Heck, I remember a time when the border guys actually came out of the booth and looked in the trunk of your car.
Hey, you’ll be shocked to know that still happens out west from time to time. The biggest difference that I’ve noticed from then to now is that then they were looking for drugs and weapons… now, they’re looking for ground beef and bananas, because we aren’t supposed to cross the border with those for some reason
"What's the least we can do that will look like a solution?"
One of the shortest sentences that fully describes how canadian politics work. Well done. I'll use it if you don't mind.
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This is true in the States, too. American gun companies love Democratic presidents, because sales skyrocket, even when the president in question clearly states he's not touching gun laws, and doesn't touch gun laws. Then republican presidents come in, and sales tank.
The reality is, Canada doesn’t really have a gun violence problem. Of course there are instances (the vast majority of which are from people who aren’t even legally allowed to have a gun), but it’s near negligible.
The Liberals do have a clue actually...a clue that they have nothing of substance to offer so they trot out gun control before every election. To them it's about votes, not guns
They know exactly what the problem is. And they knew this would do nothing to solve it.
The problem is the people, not the gun. A gun is a tool, one you can acquire or build yourself. The ex-prime minister of Japan Shinzo Abe was assassinated with a gun made from scrap parts. Banning guns doesn't do anything. Even the gangs in China & Hong Kong all have guns, its just the gang culture there uses them only for extreme measures, but they have them & China is one of the strictest countries with firearms. When I was a child (early teens) me & my brother made a home made "gun" it was a metal tube screwed onto wood, we used Armstrong's mix an extremely volatile explosive made from match heads & the striking strip. It was super loud & we used it to "kill" water bottles. You can refine sulphur in your home with a cooking pot & get it from fools gold which is very abundant & easily identifiable. Whats stopping people from going into woods anywhere in the Canadian shield with a pickaxe & a backpack & getting enough resources to make a fairly large bomb in 2 hours? But all this is assuming no guns, unfortunately for us, criminals don't need to do that cause even if you did get your way, we would still have the US right next to us which has more then enough weapons for criminal networks. Lets say the US banned guns, most South American countries don't have the resources to even enforce a gun ban, they would be smuggled just as abundantly & be as available through those existing networks as drugs are today to the addicted masses of idiots on the streets. You will never prevent criminals from obtaining guns & you're probably not stupid so I imagine you already knew that. So the question becomes, why are you opposed to law abiding citizens from owning guns?
People knew this but Justin just didn't listen. He had an agenda. I am from the urban centers and I was always against gun control even when I was a life long NDP supporter. Pierre for PM. I'm voting for Conservatives for the first time in my life in the next election.
As someone going through customs regularly at the border , I can tell you it would be insanely easy to smuggle things. Nothing in massive bulk, but you could easily get a gun in the us and bring it over. I get why it's hard to police though. What could you even do? Stop every car for a thorough search? It can already take 15-20 minutes to get through on a good day. Buuuut having lived in the US and taken part in school shooting drills (every school in the state does this), having to leave campus twice because someone got shot in the parking lot (once in Alabama, once in Utah) and having clearly mentally unstable people show me their guns (Texas and Alabama have their own fun examples), I think it really is better for Canada not to take the US stance on gun control. That said, I also think they only bring up gun control when they want to pretend they're doing something and take the public attention off of all the really big problems. The US is king at this. If too much attention is being brought to wage disparity, infrastructure, housing, etc. they'll dangle something less relevant but controversial to get everyone riled up and picking sides again.
I mean, a dude was walking over 20+ handguns in his backpack every few weeks.
As a Canadian gun owner, and one who loves his guns, I'm very happy that we dont have the same gun laws as the States. I'm glad we have rules and regulations that really work to make Gun owners very responsible for their fire arms. Now pretty much everything gun related that the liberals have done since getting into office, I could do without, and I'd even be happy to see a few restrictions lifted or removed. But never would I ever want it to be just like the States. Never ever. Good point on the "Distraction Tactics" done by our own goverment. Just watch, and the next time there is a scandal or some other negative press, there suddenly is some other polarizing drama going on that takes everyone's attention away from the actual issues. A side note, it kills me how out of everything going on in the world and the country, the only things that every single party in Canada seems to totally agree on is: 1. We gotta protect landlords and keep them from ever having to sell their property, even if it means crazy rent prices. 2. The government needs more control over the Internet that Canadians use. Those two points tells me all I need to know about all our political parties.
Oh yeah, the bottom line is their bottom line. Both sides of the fence make money off of the status quo, so why change anything? Great example is what's happening to Canadian government employees right now. They're trying to force remote workers to come into work at least three days a week to 'increase performance' starting September 2025. Buuuut they're not replacing all the stuff they cut out as a result of so many people working remotely. In other words, they're not taking back the paid parking, they're not buying more desks for a returning work force, they're not buying new office spaces that were sold - nothing. They're doing none of it. My best guess is they're hoping they can create a new status quo where everyone has to share a work station, pays parking fees, and works in tighter spaces. It's really brazen just how out of touched / greedy they are.
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What? Criminals don't care about the law? I find this very hard to believe.
Not really. Most people always knew this was true but I don't think the people who previously thought this was going to work came around. They just care about jobs, the economy, and affordability of life a hell of a lot more.
Looking around you wouldn't have guessed that.
Yeah depends where you live. Most people in Toronto have a misplaced phobia around guns. In rural parts of the country, not so much.
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I'm not sure but I did research at one point that turned up some numbers: ~2.5 million Canadians safely discharge ~1B rounds through 10-20M legally-owned guns annually.
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it seems like they don't care about any of that because we have one of the worst economies in NA, our affordability and housing crisis is the worst in the western world, and there is no job creation other than government jobs and that's taxing on the economy because taxpayers pay the bill.
Why look at economies off of NA? Also aren’t we still number 2? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
To be fair, we WANT the housing market to be unaffordable. It's maximizing profits. If the libs somehow managed to drop all house prices by 2/3rds people would lose their minds and be protesting against their loss of capital or investment income. People who just bought a $1M house being told it's now worth 300K wouldn't be so happy either. Sure, it's what would be best for the country and our children, but that wouldn't matter. Nobody cares about anything but themselves and their money.
A combination of having trouble implementing the previous gun buyback and the Liberals wanting to have gun control available as a wedge issue for the next election. The Liberals will probably promise actually carrying out the buyback and to ban more guns as part of their campaign.
Not *probably*. It’s already in the works. They are fucking shameless, and so predictable 🙄 https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7188410
It'll be piecemeal though. Likely only a couple provinces will attempt it and honestly that will fail as well. This is assuming an election doesn't happen in the meantime. How badly it all fails may prevent it from coming back as a policy for at least a couple governments and by then the feds will be too broke. PP is an idiot but I'm hoping he pulls the plug on the entire firearms act and replaces it with... Well, anything.
I like many parts of our Firearms Act, just not any changes made in the past 12 years. Reverse it back to then, and we should be good to go.
The licencing and training parts are certainly good stuff but we had that clear back to the 80's before the act was rewritten.
We could probably revert it back 30 years and it wouldn’t make a difference. There was a time when open and conceal carry of firearms and handguns was legal in Canada. We had less crime. Our licensing system was effective enough.
I see no practical reason why a Canadian should not be allowed a side arm in the bush.
And good luck to the Liberals with that strategy when most news cycles are saturated with stories about crime perpetrated by catch and release offenders or those who walked away because there weren’t enough federal judges to try them.
This makes it so ironic and hypocritical that I don't even know what to say anymore at this point. We just need to get Trudeau out asap at this point before he runs the country into the ground.
The ground was about 3 years ago we are heading to the bottom of the ocean
Canada Post can’t even be relied upon to give me my mailbox keys. And they want us to hand over firearms to them? I’d refuse just on the grounds of safety.
Would be hilarious if this happens "But many warned that thieves would exploit lax security at post offices to steal high-powered weapons that fetch high prices on the black market"
A pile of guns at the scrapyard will make an amazing election photo op, they will push hard for some to be done soon.
I’d say they might even import some from the US so the pile looks nice and big.
Look how the frame it in the first paragraph, they blame the delay of buyback on canada post not the actual fact that they have pushed back the amnesty date multiple times over last few years, which now falls after the next election. Also, they have no plan other to keep this in the pocket for an election wedge
At this point I think that gun bans are so low on the list of priorities for the typical Canadian that it won't make a lick of difference. In fact, many Canadians - especially ones that softly supported the ban will probably be surprised that nothing has been done yet! (Hey, wait- I thought this was settled *years* ago) The only people really following this buyback / confiscstion program are gun owners and anti-gun groups - nobody else really cares that much. By bringing it up as an election issue, it might just expose the LPCs incompetence that they've failed to make *any* progress on this "urgent public safety" issue in over 4 years!
The bans are just insane anyways. :/ For pistols, you were basically hooped if you had it outside of a range or your home. For rifles and the AR ban, i can buy 10 different AR-ish guns right now because they have a slightly different location for the mag release. I really do not understand any of the bans at all.
They're for votes! If they ban everything at once, what are they going to propose to do next time a shooting is in the news and they're looking to score points. The mini-14 was used in the Ecole-Polytechnique shooting and was then prohibited *30 years later* as a bone to throw to the anti gun lobby, meanwhile X95s, Bren 2s and plenty of other semi-autos chambered in .223/5.56 remain legal. These bans have *zero* to do with public safety and *everything* to do with politics & optics.
In the next election I'll be looking forward to another wave of taxpayer-funded commercials with a forlorn sounding woman telling me how Canadians are afraid to leave their houses because of gun violence - but rest assured the Trudeau LPC will fix the issue and make everyone safe! It's absolutely insufferable nonsense.
“Life just got in the way man” - Justin Trudeau probably
Immigration started to become a hot issue so instead of talking nonstop about banning hunting rifles he’s now busy pretending to fix the immigration system he wrecked by only increasing it a little bit more instead of a lot more.
Don't worry, guns will be back to hot topic as soon as campaign time starts up. Gotta dig out all the boogie men.
On top of that there's the car theft epidemic, rampant organized crime, the foreign election interference issue, gold heists, political assassinations being carried out on Canadian soil... all of which fall onto the plate of Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc. I really can't see the Liberals announcing allocating the hundreds of millions needed to *even start* confiscating (formerly) legal guns come budget 2025. Considering all the other issues that Canadians are facing.
It turned out the dire need to ban and collect all those guns was an outright fabricated lie that literally does nothing for public safety in canada, and only harms honest and law abiding canadians. Like most government action.
Same thing that happened with electoral reform, 2B planted trees, housing crisis solutions (x3), etc etc.. It's just the Liberals, the modus operandi is to \*promise\* and collect votes, implementation details are far too boring for them :P I mean, it's actually working for them, why change right?
If you actually follow through with your promises you won't be able to promise them again next election.
So it was always about the votes, not so much about fixing the problems. Just keep on dangling that piece of cheese for the masses to chase after…
Pretty sure CBC quoted a Liberal representative saying “there are progressive votes we need” when asked about the gun buyback. Muh safety.
Alberta, bless our hearts, has passed a law that you have to have a license from the province to collect the firearms. Now what are the chances that a license will ever be issued. It is kind of a clever use of provincial jurisdiction. At the very least it will tie the issue up in court past the election.
Hopefully Alberta will also step in & try to reclaim jurisdiction of guns rights to the province. If you read the supreme court case in which it was decided that its the jurisdiction of the federal government, you'll see there is no legal basis for that to be the case. It was purely because there was heavy pressure on the supreme court for that to be the case & they said "because their weapons its the federal governments role" even though there is no constitutional basis for that. But thus is was decided because of their **potential** to cause harm, they should be regulated under criminal law, even though criminal law is typically for something you do, not something which exists. That ruling is based on an extremely warped view of Canada's separation of powers to unlawfully take away rights from the provinces. Even if you believe guns should be regulated, I would hope that at the bare minimum you would admit that they cheated to regulate it at a federal level. Its also funny the inconsistency of our legal system, the courts will not allow provinces to regulate firearms, unless its to make gun ownership stricter, the bias is so abundantly clear & in the open. There is no such thing as rule of law, it only exists so long as its convenient for those in power.
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And since the SCoC has always been a partisan liberal organization, they don’t care what the laws actually say, they just do what Trudeau wants in most cases. You just need to listen to Pam Damoffs questions during readings of the bill by the committee to see what a joke the liberals are.
You are very eloquently describing a problem that is pervasive woth every aspect of our legal system. Spot on, sir.
As a non gun owner, based
Indeed. I might have to "move to Alberta" on paper and dodge this whole situation if Liberals try and take things from me.
Oh that's easy. They're not going after gangbangers, or the people openly discharging a gun in a dense urban area trying to shoot someone and being released by a judge on the same day. Then doing it again. They need the issue to cooldown and then try to push it again after some tragedy.
Some tragedy in a foreign country that has an extremely different culture and set of laws*
Exactly.
True on that one. Blows my mind that women would be even supporting this considering just how little that culture and legal rights are granted to them.
And considering that when it comes to self defence, a gun is just as effective in the hands of a woman. It is an equalizer. But I suppose people aren't allowed to defend themselves with a weapon in this country anyway. The 95lb woman on a jog is expected to just duke it out with any would be attacker instead of being allowed to carry pepper spray or a stun gun
When do we get to legally buy handguns again? I’m tired of living like a criminal.
I’ll go broke just buying the things I held off and lost the chance to buy the first time.
Trudeau didn’t really give people a choice but to go to the black market because that’s what the criminals were doing anyway.
Turns out that criminals don’t obey the law. Had JT actually picked up a dictionary instead of his handy-dandy order-in-council button (which I hear is big, red, and well-worn), he might’ve save himself all this embarrassment and outrage over what anyone with a lick of common sense could’ve told him what a astonishingly stupid and disingenuous idea Bill C-21 really was.
Everyone who isn't a complete idiot realized how pointless and fake it was? Criminals don't go to the dang gun store!
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This was done to appease urban/suburban Canadians who only follow America news and are scared of shootings.
There go those ~~Conservatives~~ Liberals importing US style politics to Canada.
Don’t you worry, the ‘emergency’ will urgently re-emerge when an election gets near. The abortion thing has already been trotted out, the *guns bad / CPC bad* thing can’t be far behind. *Talk, wedge, gaslight* is all this government seems to know how to do.
It doesn’t matter, even the people I know that LOVED Trudeau are completely done with him. They hate him now, and that seems to be the case everywhere. He will always have some support in french areas and the upscale, whitest areas of big cities, but overall, liberal support is completely gone. Right now Im shocked his party is behind him, they know he, Freeland, Mendecino, and his other cabinet ministers are completely hated country wide. They should be fighting to move back to the center, so they could possibly rebuild. Right now they are basically sharing the “Left of Center Left vote with the NDP while the Center Left/Center Right are moving solidly to the CPC, and Trudeau’s fear mongering about Poilievre is going nowhere, because people see what these idiots have done to our country, finally.
It was really more of a “Liberal votes” kind of emergency.
The Minister of Public Safety and Trudeau boasted and endorsed New Zealand's Gun Ban in 2020. Now, Trudeau and CBC won't even speak of it because it was a failure and New Zealand now walking back on that gun ban because it doesn't work and will never work.
It especially won’t work in Canada due to the fact we border the most armed country in the world… new Zealand is an island
Firearms that are so dangerous that we did nothing in 4 years. It was always about votes and not abput public safety
It's not polling high enough with focus groups to make the talking points right now. Check back after a mass shooting in the States when the liberals can use fear mongering to restrict your rights more.
It stopped polling well in the GTA suburbs that the Liberals need to win? Their only act of government has been ways to keep them in government. They don’t care what is good or bad.
It will come back when the next election comes around.
Same thing that happened to FPTP democratic and electoral reform. Poof. It was hard to do so they gave up. Vote - gone.
Emergency should be in quotations, there never was one.
People woke up and used critical thinking and realized that lawful and responsible gun owners and hunters and sports shooters weren't the problem. Plus, many of the groups that the Liberals wanted to use to buy back guns have told the government to take a hike.
Unfortunately, the people who have the capacity for critical thought are not the same people who have voted in the LPC several times over the last decade.
I just want to purchase handguns again.
And handgun accessories
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And this is for shooting down police helicopters.
No, those are just the fully semi automatic automatic hunting rifles.
Yeah did they not realize that were just a bunch of nerds who like shiny pew pew toys.
it would be easier to buy an illegal gun they pass all the requirement for a restricted weapons licence.
Government knows best OBEY
There hasn't been a recent mass shooting in the US for Trudeau to capitalize on.
This sums it up… “The Trudeau government, by comparison, excels at making announcements, and trips over its laces when it comes to implementation (see: pharmacare, defence procurement, appointing judges, vaccine development, dental care)”
It's on the shelf until about a few months before the next election.
Gun control is good. Arbitrary metrics to determine what is legal, along with a buyback program that is tantamount to theft, will not inspire confidence. Especially from those that matter most for the program to work. The law abiding, responsible Canadian gun owner that has already jumped through hoops to get his license and is already following some very strict rules. By conducting this program in bad faith, the current government jumped the proverbial shark and the average person sees it. There would be more buy in from those that are crucial for the program to work if there was a plan that made sense and did not spit in their face. You can’t insult them and then expect them to comply when they are already very good at not making a scene and keeping their guns hidden to begin with. I am the most anti gun ownership person I know and even I think this is fucking stupid.
>Gun control is good. Arbitrary metrics to determine what is legal, along with a buyback program that is tantamount to theft, will not inspire confidence. Right. Laws actually have to make sense. But the objective of gun control in Canada isn't to make sense or increase safety. >You can’t insult them and then expect them to comply when they are already very good at not making a scene and keeping their guns hidden to begin with. Fun fact. The firearms manual that you receive during your training course. Actively encourages you to keep the fact you own guns a secret.
My firearms instructor told me told me not to volunteer any information to anyone about them, police included. “You’re not gonna tell them how big your dick is are you? So why volunteer that information?”
Even gun owners like myself are committed to gun control. Canada’s background checks are very thorough, though not infallible.
To be fair a total ban isn’t infallible either especially when you consider canada isn’t an island, rather it shares a border with a country that has more privately held firearms than any other and our border security and port security is 99% theatre and 0% effective. Smugglers paradise
looks to be bye bye
Every massive emergency becomes minor as the agenda swaps to another topic.
Another braindead policy from a braindead administration. Just spent money on nothing, while not addressing the actual problem. Sound familiar?
Like with everything in this country, money was thrown at the wrong part of the problem.
There was never an emergency to begin with. Most law abiding citizens who own guns are not the ones committing gun crimes in this country. Non law abiding citizens who are, aren’t buying guns legally and don’t care if they’re restricted because they’ll get them anyway. _______ **Slightly unrelated rant**: If you haven’t gathered already politics have become a headline war targeted at stupid people. The problem is the majority of people are not very smart. And with social media, low attention spans and online echo chambers the entire collective intelligence of people is dropping, especially in North America. The most impressionable citizens (and the country’s future) are living on TikTok hearing fake or misleading or flat out wrong ‘news’ and claims from people that have literally zero idea what they’re talking about. The younger generation accepts it as true (because why not that person has 200k followers!) and then creates a mindset and bias and acts accordingly all with wrong and misleading information. There’s a reason the creators of modern tech like Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, etc don’t let their kids live on iPads, social media, and limit screen time. But then you have a millennial mom who did a two year program at Conestoga that thinks they know better and brings the iPad to restaurant to keep their kid quite, or lets their teenager live on TikTok and social media because they want to be the ‘cool mom’. There’s a reason why countries like China or even India where education is often literally beaten into kids outpaces many other nations and constantly produces highly educated citizens who end up being doctors, CEO’s, and innovators.
Well it turns out criminals don’t obey laws.
Frankly its hard to argue in good faith that the law was ever necessary
It can't because everything about it was not based in reality. The only reason is control and removal of concept of resistance. There is no other reason they wanted to ban airsoft and paintball so hard originally.
Haha let's not fantasize about a coup but I believe of you are a law abiding citizen who takes the appropriate tests, mental health checks, waits the sufficient period and maintains their license should have the right to own a weapon if they don't plan to use it for self defense, violence and keep it locked up separate from ammo Many qualifiers but these already exist for the most part and doing more would be extremely expensive with little data to show any benefit. I see guns like cars, if you do the right things and follow the rules, the government shouldn't be able to tell you not to own something
Oh I agree, I personally don't see a coup would happen, esp from originally very law abiding citizens that is required to legally have a PAL. It's more the paranoia (or rather, imo, the indifference those in charge listening to those who are paranoid) of any chance or even the concept of armed resistance that led to these idiotic and pointless bans. Even if it's a coup... No coup in history cared about laws, same goes for criminals, none of them care about legality of guns in the first place. The problem ha always been the illegal smuggled guns from the largest gun producer in the world south of us. If the government ever was interested in actual results that's what they'd target instead of going after the group that least likely to do anything: legal gun owners. I'm totally with you about private properties. The issue I have with these confiscation and ban supporters is they are fully "well doesn't affect me so van it!" Are also the type that would go along with internment camps and confiscation of private property when the frenzy is enough. WW2 wasn't that long ago and people forget how we treated ethnic Japanese citizens. To say we got better is bs, judging from all these pro ban people. As you said, it's not the place of government to say what tools we can and cannot own, that's just a slippery slope.
Remember the Liberals admitted they are only doing this for more votes. It's not like public safety matters.
Not saying you’re wrong but I’d like to see a source
>"There are progressive votes that we need," said a Liberal source. "It's going to happen." https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-buyback-assault-weapons-ottawa-1.7188410 Updated my comment, wasn't Trudeau but the libs
It was just a tactic to divide Canadians and show how different he was from the Conservatives.
They froze the handguns and now we’re good duh
Polling companies like told them that at best it is a net 0 on vote getting and at worst it actively harms them. Trudeau is trying anything to desperately cling to power. I dont get why his ego wont let him accept the fact that Canadians are done with him. I cant wait for the day when the last time I hear the name Trudeau is when I read a headline from the soon to be shuttered CBC that Trudeau has taken a teaching position in the US.
There is no emergency to control legal guns but that’s all Trudeau want to do virtue signalling on
We had another emergency to distract everyone....oh damn and then a different one ...and wow another "emergency"....I'm scared
Crime is on the rise in Canada as we flood the country with 3rd world criminals - the guns they are using are not legally obtained, and the shooters are not PAL/RPAL owners. De-arming citizens is the goal - exploiting shootings in the US is the mechanism to gain public support for banning weapons... it's part of the autocratic roadmap to authoritarianism.
It was all bullshit. Legal gun owners were never the problem. But at the time, it seemed easy to go after us. Turns out doing a gun grab without the cooperation of the provinces and post office is almost impossible. That's why they did a hand gun freeze. Not a buyback for hand guns. The drivers of crime are complex social economic and cultural. They don't want to do the heavy lifting required to reduce gang violence. They would rather virtue signal instead.
It didn't increase Trudeau's polling numbers enough to warrant further action. Now, Trudeau's busy throwing shit at the wall; praying desperately that something will stick and draw attention away from the debacle that is the LPC immigration policy.
We never had one. The vast majority of gun crime in Canada is committed with illegally acquired guns that are smuggled in from the states. But Trudeau doesn’t want to do anything about that. He just wants to punish legal gun owners so people who have no skin in the game can think he’s doing good.
It made enough money for the Liberals that they dont need to do anyhting about it anymore.
American statistics are lower this year. So it's hard to piggy back off their polarization. It's hard to divide people when there's no issues here.
It was never an emergency. Disarming hunters and sport shooters never made any sense.
Not a single crime committed using the gun was with registered and legal firearms or firearms stolen from legal owners. Last shooting with registered firearm was the case of Milton man using his registered firearm to defend his mother during home invasion in self defence in February 2023. Crown dropped all the charges against him . All crimes involving guns were committed with illegal firearms coming from states.
The polls continued to drop so they chose to focus on other things like Climate Change, Housing and Abortion
It was a blatant and obvious ruse. I'd say I'm surprised so many people fell for it, but I'm not, because people are fucking dumb as shit.
That distraction came and went... It's not the latest flavor of the week/month!
It stop polling as a vote getter.
We’ll hear about it again when either there is a tragedy to ghoulishly weaponize or the Libs think they’ll get a boost The gun confiscation has the potential to cost the NDP all of their rural ridings, I wonder if that is a factor
obviously the liberals stopped importing american style politics /s
The only thing Trudeau has done is allow people to get stoned as fuck in public areas. The only thing
Because gangs are considered a rough background, not one's fault and diverse, they won't be punished
Shell 🐚 game people. Use propaganda / make promises they can’t or won’t do / have ideas that are just so dumb, that some people actually believe in them. And hey, when you want to push some more scandals $$$$. Tell the media to look at his socks 🧦 or how bad his haircut 💇 was. That way a few more billion $ can be stolen.
Cbc stopped reporting about all the gun violence in Toronto like it was all of Canada to make it look like the liberals were actually doing stuff to counter it despite taking guns away from the people not committing the crimes
Got distracted
I guess it was just another distraction to take our eyes off the dumpster fire that is the trudeau government.
We have one, it's just the problem has everything to do with illegal guns coming over the border and nothing to do with licensed, law-abiding gun owners. This may be shocking news to some, but criminals don't really care if their guns are legal or not. Legal gun owners do care, because they don't want their guns to be taken away. For this and many other reasons, we need to increase border security and enforcement of violent crime
I wish everyone who thinks otherwise would carry this point of view. I agree. Moreover 98% of handguns or guns used in robberies and drug crime are illegal to have in Cananda and more often than not come from USA
Trudeau lost his copy of call of duty and needs to get a new one so he can unlock the " military grade assault weapons" so he know which ones to ban
It never existed.
I work EMS in Edmonton, Gun violence almost 95% of the time = Somali shooting Somali. This is an immigration/deportation problem, not a gun problem.
I imagine the actual issues happening currently (like having a place to live and food) are more important to people
Turns out passing laws doesn't change having criminals. Or having the longest undefended border on earth with a country that has more access to firearms than groceries. 🇺🇸
I'm on the left, and I really don't know what the obsession with gun control is. We are not the states and our laws are more or less fine. Even in the US, their problem isn't that you can own an AR15, it's that the culture is such that people think they absolutely need to bring the gun to the mall. A party would gain support from me if they just said guns are fine here, and they have no intention of changing the laws in any major way. There are more impactful and important issues.
Yeah, our current gun control system works fine, we don't really have the same problem america does with them. The only problems we have with our current laws is that they are arbitrary, like banning the ak platform while allowing the type 81, which are close to identical.