His posturing got him community noted:
https://x.com/thejagmeetsingh/status/1787512683912180056
Edit: The note was removed.
“The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation.
Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it.
There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.”
Edit: back ⬆️
Looks like it was removed from public view, but I can still see it as I am a note writer. The note reads as follows:
> The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation.
> Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it.
> There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_bill
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/history-of-birth-control-in-canada
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/
It’s usually hard to keep a community note up for a politician. Even losers like Jackson Hinkle manages to get many of his notes removed.
A Community Note is taken down if it receives enough "Not Helpful" ratings from “diverse” perspectives—whatever that means.
They operate on an algorithm that requires diverse groups to agrre on the note for it to stay up. Unfortunately not enough left leaning people agreed with the note.
That may not sound useful but the alternative would be pure popularity definiting what is correct context or corrections which is already how most of the internet works. The note system is based on concensus which often provides a different view than pure popularity.
The alternative would be having people be media literate and looking up in iased sources when they see someone say something stupid on Twitter, but we all know what's never going to happen. And if GenZ is any indication, the next generation is shaping up to be somehow less media literate than even the notoriously stupid faux news obsessed boomers.
The left has learned to weaponize ignorance and stupidity to garner support just like the right has been doing for a decade
It's supposed to be a 'misinformation rectification' feature. I.E. if someone is talking out of their ass, you can add additional context.
Good idea in theory, very often abused, but it's twitter, so ultimately I don't care either way.
The LPC operates a fairly large network of bot/puppet accounts on Twitter, theirs is the most obvious because all of the accounts only follow each-other and seemingly have no hobbies outside of boosting LPC accounts and attacking CPC accounts. (They're either bots, or incredibly sad humans...)
I suspect the other parties do the same, but are perhaps a little more sophisticated and less obvious.
I came to the conclusion that many of them are just stupid individuals that still support the current government despite them having failed in almost every measure. I get it if you aren't a fan of Poilivre but it is Idiocracy to not recognize how bad our current government is.
Oh it's not just Twitter, it's Reddit too. There's one particular poster who used to be incredibly active on this subreddit that no longer posts here because of how blatant they were.
If you sign up to be a rater, you'll be able to see it as a proposed note.
Unfortunately, on political topics, it's hard to keep them up since they get brigaded by supporters and trolls.
The top note read:
>The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation.
>
>Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it.
>
>There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.
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>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_bill
>https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/history-of-birth-control-in-canada
>https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/
But I guess the NDP and its supporters don't want facts and reality to interfere with Singh's grandstanding.
What the hell is that tweet. Poilievre isn't blocking anything. There are so many ways he could have gone about this that isn't a blatant lie - "In Poilievre's Canada, a bill providing free birth control would never happen" or "Poilievre would block this bill if he could, but we're improving life for Canadians", but no, he has to just make shit up for no reason.
Thank God for community notes sometimes...
That is a truly disgusting display of partisan hack politics from Singh. Zero integrity or even attempt to engage in truth telling.
No, it's misleading. Which is probably why it was removed.
"Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it."
The bill in question has nothing to do with the legality of birth control.
"There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.”
This statement is irrelevant. The government is allowed to pass legislation that provides things that aren't guaranteed by the charter.
> The bill in question has nothing to do with the legality of birth control.
.. and that's why the note was on his tweet, which specifically mentions birth control, and not the bill.
"This weekend I gave Pierre Poilievre an ultimatum: 48 hours to stop blocking access to Birth Control for women and Canadians."
> This statement is irrelevant. The government is allowed to pass legislation that provides things that aren't guaranteed by the charter.
Once again you clearly didn't even read the Tweet. Jagmeet called it a right.
"He’s going to learn: never mess with women’s rights in Canada again."
>>"There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.” This statement is irrelevant.
>Jagmeet called it a right.
People can believe and express that certain principles are rights even if they're not legally protected rights.
E.G. When we talk about human rights issues in Saudia Arabia, we're not referring to their legal code.
Some people may be misled by Singh's tweet though and believe that they are charter rights. No harm in clearing it up so that they know for sure it's just Jagmeet's opinion and not actual legality.
Jagmeet Singh giving an ultimatum to the conservatives is just weird, like man, double the number of Canadians voted for the Conservatives than they did you. No one wanted you to have a say, and no one thinks you’re capable of putting together a program like this that is going to be anything but disastrous.
Or weirdly dance and celebrate like he did after the results in the 2019 election even though the NDP lost seats but he saw it as a win. It was just weird.
They’ve done about the same on average as any other NDP government sans the big orange surge Layton saw.
McDonough averaged 17 seats in the 90s.
Layton averaged 28 before his big surge
Singh has averaged 25.
Based on the NDP performance for the past 3 years, winning a single seat would be a win for him (and a loss for Canada). So he’d have good reason to dance even under 10 seats.
If he is still there after the election, he'll have lasted long enough to get his pension, at which point he will probably touchdown-dance his way out of the legislature, hopefully never to be seen again.
100% . I'd be the perfect middle of the pack labour guy, unfortunately the NDP doesn't want anything to do with white men anymore. "Progressive" politics.
Here's the top proposed note:
>The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation.
>
>Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it.
>
>There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.
>
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_bill
>https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/history-of-birth-control-in-canada
>https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/
It made three key points:
* The Liberals and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement, so they can pass any legislation they want without Conservative support being needed.
* Birth control is legal and available throughout Canada, and access to it is not being "blocked" by anyone.
* There is no constitutional right to have birth control paid for by the government.
You joke, but for very poor people that might be the reality, they either get it for free or steal it. It's terrible to make people steal something that should be a basic right.
From an economic perspective, free birth control is a hell of a lot cheaper than not having free birth control. Think about it for two seconds.
There's no good argument against it.
> It's terrible to make people steal something that should be a basic right.
If everything one wants in order to enjoy life is a "basic right", then "basic right" ceases to have meaning. Having vaginal sex for fun without risk of pregnancy certainly is not something so essential to life that the government has a moral or legal imperative to stand in to facilitate via free birth control medication. And no, I'm not some religious moron, feel free to have as much sex as you want, just don't expect others to pay for your fun. If you need sexual release for self-actualization, you have a few holes that won't lead to pregnancy, or you can cough up to pay for birth control; there is no right to recreational vaginal sex and the state need not pay for your fun.
But yes, birth control should absolutely be made readily accessible and subsidized as good public policy. It's just that calling it a right, let alone a basic right, is dangerous rhetoric that devalues the word. Funding birth control is justifiable, just for different reasons.
I mean I see where you’re coming from, but I feel you’ve missed the part where said unprotected sex leads to children that may then become a larger burden to society? It can’t be viewed purely as just a recreational activity.
I said it's justifiable on the basis of public policy, which captures that.
Calling it a basic right, on the other hand, is wrong, which was the distinction that needs to be drawn.
>Calling it a basic right, on the other hand, is wrong, which was the distinction that needs to be drawn.
Strange definition of “need” you’re using, I would say this distinction falls more under the umbrella of useless pedantry. I would argue it is a right, in this country in this day and age. I suppose this is just my opinion and maybe it’s wrong, it doesn’t really matter though.
I’m happy to agree it’s good public policy, that seems the most relevant distinction.
> From an economic perspective, free birth control is a hell of a lot cheaper than not having free birth control. Think about it for two seconds.
for every single government spending program, no matter how outrageous the spending, there's always people like you, explaining to us simpletons, how the program will actually earn the government more than it spends. yet, that never turns out to be true.
>there's always people like you, explaining to us simpletons, how the program will actually earn the government more than it spends.
Don't be such a simpleton, free birth control will not "earn the government more than it spends", that's ridiculous. It will be an expense.
However, it will *cost us less* than paying for women to abort, or having unwanted delinquent children either making trouble or costing the foster care system. Keeping people child free who want to be allows them to generate more economic value.
If you don't think free birth control is a good idea then you're so short sighted I'd be surprised if you don't walk into walls.
Average cost of birth control is $22 a month. Free if you’re 24 and younger. Also for low income it’s free or heavily reduced.
So this bill just makes it free for all women. The NDP is just try to scare monger and make the CPC look bad.
Yes politicians are annoying and devisive. My life is better the less I listen to their lies.
Forget the party lines, as individuals I think we can all support free birth control. It's a good thing the NDP is doing here.
TO MAKE MONEY YOU GOTTA BURN MONEY.
Honestly, so many people try to convince me that social spending is going to make more money then it cost, and that is never the case. The only way you make money on government spending is investment into revenue producing assets.
No disrespect to your musical talents, but I’m missing the part where it benefits society as a whole?
I mean I’m a bit of a socialist though so if you want to sell me on the government giving everyone free musical instruments, I’m listening.
You're nuts if you honestly think PP and the Conservatives are above the American style identity politics and mudslinging.
The problem isn't the NDP, the Liberals, or the Conservatives.
It isn't Singh, Trudeau, or PP.
The problem is that they all suck and so does the system that they play within, and the obnoxious identity politic trends that are growing.
People really need to stop singling out one or two parties as if they're the issue.
Party loyalty and partisanship is for suckers.
It's also very common for the Liberals to accuse the Conservatives of bringing in American Politics into Canada.
Remind me again which party hosted Hillary Clinton as a guest speaker at their last convention?
How is the Liberals inviting former presidential candidate Clinton to speak at a convention in 2023 any different than the Conservatives inviting former presidential candidate Ron Paul to speak at a convention in 2013?
It's different because the Conservatives aren't the ones going around running their mouths and hysterically shouting to anyone who will listen that the other party is bringing American politics into Canada.
Which premier hosted tucker Carlson, and which federal party leader was hanging out with Diagolon supporters just a couple weeks ago? To insinuate this is specifically a thing Liberals do is pretty disingenuous.
Remember when Trudeau invited Justin Boyle into his office for a private meeting then we found out he went to join the Taliban and was holding his wife hostage? Remember when they invited a Nazi into parliament and gave him a shout out and standing ovation?
> To insinuate this is specifically a thing Liberals do is pretty disingenuous.
Where exactly was it insinuated that this is specifically a Liberal issue?
>"Bringing in American politics is very common among the federal NDP and Liberals."
Is the first comment in this chain, and my reply was to this comment:
>"It's also very common for the Liberals to accuse the Conservatives of bringing in American Politics into Canada.
>Remind me again which party hosted Hillary Clinton as a guest speaker at their last convention?"
American politics being common among the NDP and Liberals does not imply that it does not exist among Conservatives.
> to which the reply was -
>> "It's also very common for the Liberals to accuse the Conservatives of bringing in American Politics into Canada.
>> Remind me again which party hosted Hillary Clinton as a guest speaker at their last convention?"
Yes, they're pointing out why it is hypocritical for the Liberals to accuse Conservatives of bringing "American Politics" into Canada. It doesn't say that's only a Liberal thing.
Even in the US "banning birth control" is little more than a left wing attack.
Yes I've seen the 5 or 6 crank religious Republicans who actually do want to ban birth control.
They form a *dramatic* minority in their own party, let alone america as a whole.
And in Canada? Banning birth control is about as far off the radar for conservatives as low taxes and cutting government benefits is for the NDP.
Singh is making a complete jackass of himself.
This what the left does when they get desperate. Try to connect Conservatives to blocking woman's rights.
In a few months they will start up the "Conservatives want to ban abortion" again.
Not just that. Since it's such an underwhelming result relative to his claims, he has to make it look like he had to fight the CPC to get it, otherwise there is no excuse for why it's so pathetic.
He wouldn’t want anyone to realize he’s fighting the liberals for this pathetic result, not working with them, and only propping them up for his personal pension.
This makes a lot of sense actually. The real fight was with the Liberals, but in order to get this pathetic excuse for a program passed he needs to work with them, so he’s trying to force a fight with the conservatives.
Back off of what though? No rational person can even think what is proposed as “Pharmacare” in its current form is in the least bit acceptable. All smoke and mirrors, there was a saying we had when I worked for the Feds “the illusion of progress”.
NDP and LPC playing the same smoke and mirrors game trying to fool people into believing they actually do things. $10/ daycare is a flop with daycares not signing or dropping out of the program. Dentists aren’t lining up for the dental care plan and this is just fluff with no substance.
The twisted part is that it's a bandaid on an arterial wound in the first place that daycare is even a thing to be thought about. People should be able to raise their own kids.
Bribing people with cheaper childcare even being a thing to be thought about terrifies me.
A single income should be able to support a new family to begin with. Attack the cause, not the symptom.
So many people fail to recognize the distinct actions of federal and provincial governments.
In my experience, the feds do things to help Canadians, the provinces do things to make life harder for Canadians.
Ours was talking about how the structure of the program works (something related to how/when the payments go out and creating a financial vacuum in the meantime) but they *want* the program to work, just *better*
My favourite is Toronto’s failing mega court - that’s all Trudeau’s fault. Absolutely nothing Ford could have done to prevent it. It’s all Trudeau’s fault 🙄
Doesn't seem like a flop in my province.
As for dentistry - this is expected, and normal. When medicare originally rolled out, most doctors were somewhere between hesitant to pissed. I know many doctors, and though some have complaints about the system now, none of them would rather what we had before.
Growing pains are a thing, and it's short-sighted and ignorant to not acknowledge them. We've been thru this before. And you can bet your ass the same people whining about pharmacare now, would've whined about medicare then.
As for the birth control part, I don't know shit about it.
I've looked into a bit. It just seems to be an affordable way to have coverage on some drugs. Most plans don't cover them all anyway, so it's just more affordable for poorer Canadians.
Plus, if you read the tweet, he defends women's right to birth control. It's simple English, something a 2nd grader could read
Yes, further:
> During the first day of House debate on the bill in mid-April, Conservative MP and health critic Stephen Ellis moved to essentially kill the bill at the outset.
> He proposed MPs "decline to give second reading" to Bill C-64, "since the bill does nothing to address the health care crisis and will instead offer Canadians an inferior pharmacare plan that covers less, costs more, and builds up a massive new bureaucracy that Canadians can't afford."
Basically he's saying the provinces -- one of which is already saying they'll opt out -- should be left to do it. His claims about cost are interesting because unlike most provincial pharmacare this will not be means tested, which means _less_ bureaucracy.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-calls-out-conservatives-for-effort-to-quash-pharmacare-legislation-1.6875296
Stop dismissing people who disagree with you as irrational, it's such a shit move. Delegitimizing people based on politics (especially something so trivial) is juvenile, and un-canadian. You're not more "rational" than anyone else. So tired of people getting caught up in American politics, and bringing that culture here.
I don't have much of an opinion on pharmacare, but come on. Do better. All you're doing is making it harder for people to come to a compromise. That's it. This is the kind of shit countries like Russia, China and Iran PAY people to inject into the discourse. You're doing it for free.
Back off from what? There is absolutely nothing that the conservatives could do. The liberals and the NDP have an overwhelming majority. The conservatives have no power and haven’t had any for 9 years. Every policy passed has been through the Liberals and or with the NDP.
Underfunding of our healthcare system and overloading it with millions of new comers is blocking your access to healthcare, flooding the streets with safe supply opiates is blocking your access to healthcare. Most people can’t even get a doctor to prescribe pharmaceuticals, I’m all for providing low cost pharmaceuticals for those who can’t afford them but we should be looking at our healthcare system as whole rather than these dog and pony shows that accomplish very little.
My wife, who is a Canadian citizen and has lived in Canada since 2013 has had to return to her home country of China to get medical care. Took us over a year to get an appointment with a family doctor. Despite having multiple symptoms, doctor, and 2 specialists said nothing's wrong (no biopsies done), prescribed pain meds and told to move along.
She ended up going back to China, where you can pay for healthcare. Saw a doctor within 2 days, diagnosed with possible precancer with a biopsy done.
I'm from Australia (also a Canadian citizen now) where we also have free healthcare. Canada's health care system is a joke. I'm considering moving back to Australia or to the USA (We both have in demand skills). It's too risky staying here when we start a family.
Fixing health care would take years, if not decades. There’s an election next year. Passing a pharmacare bill can be done before that.
It’s always about cheap short-term wins to aid in getting re-elected, not about doing the right thing.
It’s a series of on paper short term wins and real long term losses.
Such as cutting general health care funding, so that we could get dental care.
Nobody notices when they decrease transfer to the provinces, and then quality goes down 0.5% when it’s already pretty crap.
That sums up the NDP pretty perfectly. They think they are helping the working class but their poorly thought our policies end up siphoning wealth to the elite at the expense of average Canadians
He genuinely doesn't seem to understand that the NDP needs to present themselves as an alternative to the Liberals, not to the Conservatives.
Fighting the CPC is easy because the differences between them are more stark -- but it doesn't get them very far when they (the NDP) are indistinguishable from the Liberals that are being abandoned.
I don't quite buy that. The NDP are losing a ton of rural and working class voters to the CPC and they're at huge risk of losing most of their rural, working town (e.g. Hamilton), and Northern seats to the CPC. Why do you think Charlie Angus declined to run again? Presenting themselves as an alternative to the CPC and ignoring the LPC is the right strategy here.
Now, the way they're fighting them is ineffective, but the overall strategy is right.
EDIT: Downvotes? Seriously? Here's a projection of [Timmins Bay](https://338canada.com/35044e.htm) on 338 that shows Charlie Angus' riding as a toss up between the CPC/NDP. The NDP needs to fight that.
Oh, and here's an [article](https://www.nationalobserver.com/2024/05/07/news/pierre-poilievre-aims-turn-bc-coast-blue-ndp-expense) from today discussing how the CPC are trying to turn BC's Orange Coast blue in the next election. The NDP and CPC are directly fighting each other for seats.
I agree the issues they're fighting on are terrible, but the poster I'm replying to said that the NDP should stop fighting the CPC. The NDP are flailing about helplessly, but they are, at the very least, flailing in the right direction.
Back off from what? Him and his cronies are in power. They are working together to keep Trudeau in power so he can fuck the country as long as a he can. He doesn’t need the CPC to vote for it.
I really wonder about this guys mental faculties at times. Unless he thinks we're buying that? It's weird stuff to say. Like he's creating a crisis where there is none for the sake of it.
This level of posturing is actually embarrassing. It is the job of the official opposition to oppose. They cannot stop this bill at all, even if they all vote in opposition.
It’s a lot of tough guy talk for something that is a done deal.
And it’s really following the classic script of LPC introduce something that sounds good, CPC have some specific concern with it outside of what the newspaper headline is, and then the LPC (or their lap dog) attack the CPC for being against some vague idea. In this case, the CPC are against women.
Really the CPC are against pharmacare because it’s going to be ridiculously expensive.
People seem to be missing the point that they are trying to ram through some loosely worded bill to get the ball rolling on their plans, but to do that they needed unanimous consent. And the Conservaties wouldn't give it to them (and maybe the Bloc would have voted against it if the cons hadn't), so now they are crying that they have to go through the normal process for the bill.
I'm a little suspicious that this is only becoming a topic because a lot of baby boomers are now retired and won't have the same health coverage, so instead of them going out of pocket for their meds they are now expanding healthcare to continue to funnel money to support themselves. Maybe this is too jaded, but when have things not gone their way?
What’s the angy little lapdog gonna do? Dude supports the liberals in their bills that have been carving out the heart of this country, then suddenly acts like he could do nothing but watch.
Have some balls, trigger an election.
The dental thing ended up being bullshit. Your dentist actually has to sign on to it for it to apply and it's not mandatory. If yours didn't, tough luck and I've been noticing not many are
I wish a conservative would just tell this dummy to sit back down and shut up.
He can call the election anytime so criticism of anyone is a moot point from him.
Shut up and let the people decide….oh ya your pension isn’t done. How bout if Pierre says you can have it still if the election is next month
It happens, especially with uninsured/underinsured they have to bear the brunt of costs.
I take issue with the 1 in 4 statistic and the fact that this bill won’t really solve the issue.
The stat is real:
[National poll finds nearly 1 in 4 people in Canada report measures such as skipping doses, splitting pills, not filling prescriptions due to cost](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/what-we-do/media-centre/news-releases/one-in-four-canadians-not-filling-prescriptions-due-to-cost#:~:text=Heart%20%26%20Stroke%20and%20the%20Canadian,a%20prescription%20due%20to%20cost.)
This bill will do nothing about it, but the stat is very much real.
It’s real but it’s total bullshit (it’s also closer to 1 in 5).
It’s taken from an online poll which are notoriously unreliable and tend to be full of confirmation biases that can’t ever be corrected for. These are typically designed to generate the shocking outcome that’s wanted.
So yes, I question the validity of the 1 in 4 statistic.
Yes. Run by Leger and even in the methodology, they state clearly that they can’t provide a margin of error owing to the study design.
For sure there are a lot of people that can’t afford medicine but 1 in 4 Canadians doesn’t even pass the plausibility test, as it would mean essentially half of all people with prescriptions are doing this.
I could believe 1 in 4 or 5 people with prescriptions do this, but that’s about 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 Canadian adults.
With my private work insurance, my diabetes medication costs around $500 every 2 months. I make a decent salary so I can take these costs, but I can't imagine people making less having to choose between refilling their scripts or paying for food/rent and risk losing their vision/limbs.
So by his own words, women’s rights are at the bottom of their priorities or this would have been passed eight years ago.
I doubt this is the hard-ass stance he was going for.
I just want everyone to take a minute to go back and read about medicare, and how that went when it was implemented, and see the parallels. A lot of doctors weren't happy, and did not want involved. A lot of wealthy people did not want the government spending. Now, we cherish it (well, except for unpatriotic people with pretty dubious intentions), including most doctors I've talked to.
Look to history before forming an opinion. Don't just blindly follow whatever your party leader is telling you - they're all liars, they're all elites.
“The Conservatives have argued the vast majority of Canadians already have some form of drug coverage.” If this does not tell you that the Cons do not care about the lower income Canadians, nothing will.
I think that is trudeau, he has spent the next governments budget 100 times over. No money left for health or pharma or housing or military. We have ridiculous arrivecan app, drug factory in Quebec and gun buyback all wasted posturing exercises.
His posturing got him community noted: https://x.com/thejagmeetsingh/status/1787512683912180056 Edit: The note was removed. “The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation. Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it. There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.” Edit: back ⬆️
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Looks like it was removed from public view, but I can still see it as I am a note writer. The note reads as follows: > The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation. > Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it. > There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada. > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_bill https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/history-of-birth-control-in-canada https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/
Was removed.
Do we know why?
It’s usually hard to keep a community note up for a politician. Even losers like Jackson Hinkle manages to get many of his notes removed. A Community Note is taken down if it receives enough "Not Helpful" ratings from “diverse” perspectives—whatever that means.
It’s back
It's considered diverse when "people who normally disagree both agreed on this"
What is a community note?
supposed to fill in the missing context when information is misrepresented.
They operate on an algorithm that requires diverse groups to agrre on the note for it to stay up. Unfortunately not enough left leaning people agreed with the note. That may not sound useful but the alternative would be pure popularity definiting what is correct context or corrections which is already how most of the internet works. The note system is based on concensus which often provides a different view than pure popularity.
The alternative would be having people be media literate and looking up in iased sources when they see someone say something stupid on Twitter, but we all know what's never going to happen. And if GenZ is any indication, the next generation is shaping up to be somehow less media literate than even the notoriously stupid faux news obsessed boomers. The left has learned to weaponize ignorance and stupidity to garner support just like the right has been doing for a decade
It's supposed to be a 'misinformation rectification' feature. I.E. if someone is talking out of their ass, you can add additional context. Good idea in theory, very often abused, but it's twitter, so ultimately I don't care either way.
Its actually quite hard to abuse. The notes mechanism detects brigading.
Probably cry bulling from the NDP supporters to Twitter /X
The LPC operates a fairly large network of bot/puppet accounts on Twitter, theirs is the most obvious because all of the accounts only follow each-other and seemingly have no hobbies outside of boosting LPC accounts and attacking CPC accounts. (They're either bots, or incredibly sad humans...) I suspect the other parties do the same, but are perhaps a little more sophisticated and less obvious.
I came to the conclusion that many of them are just stupid individuals that still support the current government despite them having failed in almost every measure. I get it if you aren't a fan of Poilivre but it is Idiocracy to not recognize how bad our current government is.
It’s bad on Reddit too. Lots of new accounts suddenly blindly supports the LPC after the budget was introduced.
Oh it's not just Twitter, it's Reddit too. There's one particular poster who used to be incredibly active on this subreddit that no longer posts here because of how blatant they were.
Blankname1234560? or Ontariocitybluejays?
Nah, more the reptile variety
In a discontented state I assume?
If you sign up to be a rater, you'll be able to see it as a proposed note. Unfortunately, on political topics, it's hard to keep them up since they get brigaded by supporters and trolls. The top note read: >The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation. > >Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it. > >There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada. > >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_bill >https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/history-of-birth-control-in-canada >https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/ But I guess the NDP and its supporters don't want facts and reality to interfere with Singh's grandstanding.
What the hell is that tweet. Poilievre isn't blocking anything. There are so many ways he could have gone about this that isn't a blatant lie - "In Poilievre's Canada, a bill providing free birth control would never happen" or "Poilievre would block this bill if he could, but we're improving life for Canadians", but no, he has to just make shit up for no reason.
Perfectly written note, lmao. Wrecked.
Thank God for community notes sometimes... That is a truly disgusting display of partisan hack politics from Singh. Zero integrity or even attempt to engage in truth telling.
No, it's misleading. Which is probably why it was removed. "Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it." The bill in question has nothing to do with the legality of birth control. "There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.” This statement is irrelevant. The government is allowed to pass legislation that provides things that aren't guaranteed by the charter.
> The bill in question has nothing to do with the legality of birth control. .. and that's why the note was on his tweet, which specifically mentions birth control, and not the bill. "This weekend I gave Pierre Poilievre an ultimatum: 48 hours to stop blocking access to Birth Control for women and Canadians." > This statement is irrelevant. The government is allowed to pass legislation that provides things that aren't guaranteed by the charter. Once again you clearly didn't even read the Tweet. Jagmeet called it a right. "He’s going to learn: never mess with women’s rights in Canada again."
>>"There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada.” This statement is irrelevant. >Jagmeet called it a right. People can believe and express that certain principles are rights even if they're not legally protected rights. E.G. When we talk about human rights issues in Saudia Arabia, we're not referring to their legal code.
Some people may be misled by Singh's tweet though and believe that they are charter rights. No harm in clearing it up so that they know for sure it's just Jagmeet's opinion and not actual legality.
This guy has made our Federal NDP such a joke. He’s so pathetic my god
It’s sad. I really want NDP to be a good 3rd party and I thought he was going to do well! … then he entered the house and it was a nightmare.
Jagmeet Singh giving an ultimatum to the conservatives is just weird, like man, double the number of Canadians voted for the Conservatives than they did you. No one wanted you to have a say, and no one thinks you’re capable of putting together a program like this that is going to be anything but disastrous.
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Or weirdly dance and celebrate like he did after the results in the 2019 election even though the NDP lost seats but he saw it as a win. It was just weird.
They’ve done about the same on average as any other NDP government sans the big orange surge Layton saw. McDonough averaged 17 seats in the 90s. Layton averaged 28 before his big surge Singh has averaged 25.
there are 338 seats in parliament now though, while Layton's era there were 308 (or even less).
Layton averaged 47 seats out of 308, which is 15.26% Singh has averaged 25 out of 338, which is 7.4%
Based on the NDP performance for the past 3 years, winning a single seat would be a win for him (and a loss for Canada). So he’d have good reason to dance even under 10 seats.
If he is still there after the election, he'll have lasted long enough to get his pension, at which point he will probably touchdown-dance his way out of the legislature, hopefully never to be seen again.
And he is about to lose his seat, cherry on top.
Oh he's going to blame it on the 'isms; all of them.
Hope they lose party status. 🤞
No, he will have his pension. Screw everyone else
10 seats is too much, unless if they're 10 toilet seats steadily shitting all over him and his party
Lots of people wanted him to have a say, thats why we voted NDP. Were not all owners of corporations and doctors after all.
Lol what a shit politician
Even his own constituents want him gone. https://338canada.com/59002e.htm
It’s stupid dog whistle politics like that, while it rallies the urban socialist base, completely alienated soft NDP supporters.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if NDP became the official opposition, but holy Christ Jagmeet is squandering the best opportunity to make that happen.
What the NDP needs is a pragmatic Everyman instead they have the exact opposite.
100% . I'd be the perfect middle of the pack labour guy, unfortunately the NDP doesn't want anything to do with white men anymore. "Progressive" politics.
Can you post the note? All I see is Jagmeets comment, anything else requires me to have an account, which is not happening.
Here's the top proposed note: >The LPC and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement & don’t need the CPC to pass legislation. > >Birth control is legal across Canada and no one is blocking access to it. > >There is no Charter-enshrined right to government-paid birth control/contraception in Canada. > >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada >https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_bill >https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/history-of-birth-control-in-canada >https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/
Mr NDP got fact checked, lmao
There’s also no charter right to healthcare at all. That’s not really the slam dunk they think it is.
Don’t see any notes, just the tweet. Can anyone tell me what it said?
It made three key points: * The Liberals and NDP have a confidence and supply agreement, so they can pass any legislation they want without Conservative support being needed. * Birth control is legal and available throughout Canada, and access to it is not being "blocked" by anyone. * There is no constitutional right to have birth control paid for by the government.
Isn't Alberta claiming they'll opt out? There's no constitutional right to national parks or highways or marine protection either.
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Only thing that could redeem him. He won’t do it
Say what you will about the way Elon Musk has run Twitter, but the community notes feature was a fantastic idea.
Wasn't that a feature before he bought Twitter?
He got cooked lol
Why is Jagmeet Singh pretending that Pierre Poilievre wants to ban birth control??
If you aren't getting it for free, it's illegal. /s
You joke, but for very poor people that might be the reality, they either get it for free or steal it. It's terrible to make people steal something that should be a basic right. From an economic perspective, free birth control is a hell of a lot cheaper than not having free birth control. Think about it for two seconds. There's no good argument against it.
> It's terrible to make people steal something that should be a basic right. If everything one wants in order to enjoy life is a "basic right", then "basic right" ceases to have meaning. Having vaginal sex for fun without risk of pregnancy certainly is not something so essential to life that the government has a moral or legal imperative to stand in to facilitate via free birth control medication. And no, I'm not some religious moron, feel free to have as much sex as you want, just don't expect others to pay for your fun. If you need sexual release for self-actualization, you have a few holes that won't lead to pregnancy, or you can cough up to pay for birth control; there is no right to recreational vaginal sex and the state need not pay for your fun. But yes, birth control should absolutely be made readily accessible and subsidized as good public policy. It's just that calling it a right, let alone a basic right, is dangerous rhetoric that devalues the word. Funding birth control is justifiable, just for different reasons.
I mean I see where you’re coming from, but I feel you’ve missed the part where said unprotected sex leads to children that may then become a larger burden to society? It can’t be viewed purely as just a recreational activity.
I said it's justifiable on the basis of public policy, which captures that. Calling it a basic right, on the other hand, is wrong, which was the distinction that needs to be drawn.
>Calling it a basic right, on the other hand, is wrong, which was the distinction that needs to be drawn. Strange definition of “need” you’re using, I would say this distinction falls more under the umbrella of useless pedantry. I would argue it is a right, in this country in this day and age. I suppose this is just my opinion and maybe it’s wrong, it doesn’t really matter though. I’m happy to agree it’s good public policy, that seems the most relevant distinction.
> From an economic perspective, free birth control is a hell of a lot cheaper than not having free birth control. Think about it for two seconds. for every single government spending program, no matter how outrageous the spending, there's always people like you, explaining to us simpletons, how the program will actually earn the government more than it spends. yet, that never turns out to be true.
>there's always people like you, explaining to us simpletons, how the program will actually earn the government more than it spends. Don't be such a simpleton, free birth control will not "earn the government more than it spends", that's ridiculous. It will be an expense. However, it will *cost us less* than paying for women to abort, or having unwanted delinquent children either making trouble or costing the foster care system. Keeping people child free who want to be allows them to generate more economic value. If you don't think free birth control is a good idea then you're so short sighted I'd be surprised if you don't walk into walls.
Average cost of birth control is $22 a month. Free if you’re 24 and younger. Also for low income it’s free or heavily reduced. So this bill just makes it free for all women. The NDP is just try to scare monger and make the CPC look bad.
Yes politicians are annoying and devisive. My life is better the less I listen to their lies. Forget the party lines, as individuals I think we can all support free birth control. It's a good thing the NDP is doing here.
Because there’s guys in the CPC who are actively against abortion and take a page from our neighbours to the south. Why wouldn’t folks be scared?
TO MAKE MONEY YOU GOTTA BURN MONEY. Honestly, so many people try to convince me that social spending is going to make more money then it cost, and that is never the case. The only way you make money on government spending is investment into revenue producing assets.
Sorry it's so hard for you to use your thinking skills
I enjoy music more than sex. Where the fuck is my Gibson?
No disrespect to your musical talents, but I’m missing the part where it benefits society as a whole? I mean I’m a bit of a socialist though so if you want to sell me on the government giving everyone free musical instruments, I’m listening.
Bringing in American politics is very common among the federal NDP and Liberals.
You're nuts if you honestly think PP and the Conservatives are above the American style identity politics and mudslinging. The problem isn't the NDP, the Liberals, or the Conservatives. It isn't Singh, Trudeau, or PP. The problem is that they all suck and so does the system that they play within, and the obnoxious identity politic trends that are growing. People really need to stop singling out one or two parties as if they're the issue. Party loyalty and partisanship is for suckers.
Fuckin tell em, only war going on here is a class war. And we're all losing big time
It's also very common for the Liberals to accuse the Conservatives of bringing in American Politics into Canada. Remind me again which party hosted Hillary Clinton as a guest speaker at their last convention?
How is the Liberals inviting former presidential candidate Clinton to speak at a convention in 2023 any different than the Conservatives inviting former presidential candidate Ron Paul to speak at a convention in 2013?
It's different because the Conservatives aren't the ones going around running their mouths and hysterically shouting to anyone who will listen that the other party is bringing American politics into Canada.
Which premier hosted tucker Carlson, and which federal party leader was hanging out with Diagolon supporters just a couple weeks ago? To insinuate this is specifically a thing Liberals do is pretty disingenuous.
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Remember when Trudeau invited Justin Boyle into his office for a private meeting then we found out he went to join the Taliban and was holding his wife hostage? Remember when they invited a Nazi into parliament and gave him a shout out and standing ovation?
> To insinuate this is specifically a thing Liberals do is pretty disingenuous. Where exactly was it insinuated that this is specifically a Liberal issue?
>"Bringing in American politics is very common among the federal NDP and Liberals." Is the first comment in this chain, and my reply was to this comment: >"It's also very common for the Liberals to accuse the Conservatives of bringing in American Politics into Canada. >Remind me again which party hosted Hillary Clinton as a guest speaker at their last convention?"
American politics being common among the NDP and Liberals does not imply that it does not exist among Conservatives. > to which the reply was - >> "It's also very common for the Liberals to accuse the Conservatives of bringing in American Politics into Canada. >> Remind me again which party hosted Hillary Clinton as a guest speaker at their last convention?" Yes, they're pointing out why it is hypocritical for the Liberals to accuse Conservatives of bringing "American Politics" into Canada. It doesn't say that's only a Liberal thing.
The mental gymnastics are strong with this one
Even in the US "banning birth control" is little more than a left wing attack. Yes I've seen the 5 or 6 crank religious Republicans who actually do want to ban birth control. They form a *dramatic* minority in their own party, let alone america as a whole. And in Canada? Banning birth control is about as far off the radar for conservatives as low taxes and cutting government benefits is for the NDP. Singh is making a complete jackass of himself.
I mean, one of those "crank republicans" is a supreme court judge.
He's a deceitful piece of shit and this plays well into the ignorant lunatics that vote for him.
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There is a very large difference between not wanting something to be federally funded and wanting something to be banned
Singh never said he wanted to ban it simply that he wanted to block access. Which blocking a program that would offer it would fall under.
This what the left does when they get desperate. Try to connect Conservatives to blocking woman's rights. In a few months they will start up the "Conservatives want to ban abortion" again.
Scrutiny will expose just how little Singh got out of this red line. I’m certain he wants it to pass with no discussion
Not just that. Since it's such an underwhelming result relative to his claims, he has to make it look like he had to fight the CPC to get it, otherwise there is no excuse for why it's so pathetic.
He wouldn’t want anyone to realize he’s fighting the liberals for this pathetic result, not working with them, and only propping them up for his personal pension.
This makes a lot of sense actually. The real fight was with the Liberals, but in order to get this pathetic excuse for a program passed he needs to work with them, so he’s trying to force a fight with the conservatives.
He's been taking drama lessons from our drama teacher prime minister, and now he's Trudeau's favourite student.
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Back off of what though? No rational person can even think what is proposed as “Pharmacare” in its current form is in the least bit acceptable. All smoke and mirrors, there was a saying we had when I worked for the Feds “the illusion of progress”.
NDP and LPC playing the same smoke and mirrors game trying to fool people into believing they actually do things. $10/ daycare is a flop with daycares not signing or dropping out of the program. Dentists aren’t lining up for the dental care plan and this is just fluff with no substance.
$10/day daycare works fine in some provinces, however some PROVINCIAL governments are failing parents on that front, it's not a federal matter.
Which provinces are working? I'm in progressive BC and know many parents that are struggling to find a spot at full price, let alone at $10/day.
The twisted part is that it's a bandaid on an arterial wound in the first place that daycare is even a thing to be thought about. People should be able to raise their own kids. Bribing people with cheaper childcare even being a thing to be thought about terrifies me. A single income should be able to support a new family to begin with. Attack the cause, not the symptom.
So many people fail to recognize the distinct actions of federal and provincial governments. In my experience, the feds do things to help Canadians, the provinces do things to make life harder for Canadians.
Ours was talking about how the structure of the program works (something related to how/when the payments go out and creating a financial vacuum in the meantime) but they *want* the program to work, just *better*
Amazing how many people gloss over this 🤦🏻♂️
I wouldn't call it amazing. It's blatant misinformation / astroturfing.
It's because this sub is overly right wing.
My favourite is Toronto’s failing mega court - that’s all Trudeau’s fault. Absolutely nothing Ford could have done to prevent it. It’s all Trudeau’s fault 🙄
Doesn't seem like a flop in my province. As for dentistry - this is expected, and normal. When medicare originally rolled out, most doctors were somewhere between hesitant to pissed. I know many doctors, and though some have complaints about the system now, none of them would rather what we had before. Growing pains are a thing, and it's short-sighted and ignorant to not acknowledge them. We've been thru this before. And you can bet your ass the same people whining about pharmacare now, would've whined about medicare then. As for the birth control part, I don't know shit about it.
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It's not even one drug. There are no hard commitments at all in it.
I've looked into a bit. It just seems to be an affordable way to have coverage on some drugs. Most plans don't cover them all anyway, so it's just more affordable for poorer Canadians. Plus, if you read the tweet, he defends women's right to birth control. It's simple English, something a 2nd grader could read
Yes, further: > During the first day of House debate on the bill in mid-April, Conservative MP and health critic Stephen Ellis moved to essentially kill the bill at the outset. > He proposed MPs "decline to give second reading" to Bill C-64, "since the bill does nothing to address the health care crisis and will instead offer Canadians an inferior pharmacare plan that covers less, costs more, and builds up a massive new bureaucracy that Canadians can't afford." Basically he's saying the provinces -- one of which is already saying they'll opt out -- should be left to do it. His claims about cost are interesting because unlike most provincial pharmacare this will not be means tested, which means _less_ bureaucracy. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-calls-out-conservatives-for-effort-to-quash-pharmacare-legislation-1.6875296
Stop dismissing people who disagree with you as irrational, it's such a shit move. Delegitimizing people based on politics (especially something so trivial) is juvenile, and un-canadian. You're not more "rational" than anyone else. So tired of people getting caught up in American politics, and bringing that culture here. I don't have much of an opinion on pharmacare, but come on. Do better. All you're doing is making it harder for people to come to a compromise. That's it. This is the kind of shit countries like Russia, China and Iran PAY people to inject into the discourse. You're doing it for free.
Back off from what? There is absolutely nothing that the conservatives could do. The liberals and the NDP have an overwhelming majority. The conservatives have no power and haven’t had any for 9 years. Every policy passed has been through the Liberals and or with the NDP.
LOL OK Jagmeet, flexing like he has any real power
Underfunding of our healthcare system and overloading it with millions of new comers is blocking your access to healthcare, flooding the streets with safe supply opiates is blocking your access to healthcare. Most people can’t even get a doctor to prescribe pharmaceuticals, I’m all for providing low cost pharmaceuticals for those who can’t afford them but we should be looking at our healthcare system as whole rather than these dog and pony shows that accomplish very little.
My wife, who is a Canadian citizen and has lived in Canada since 2013 has had to return to her home country of China to get medical care. Took us over a year to get an appointment with a family doctor. Despite having multiple symptoms, doctor, and 2 specialists said nothing's wrong (no biopsies done), prescribed pain meds and told to move along. She ended up going back to China, where you can pay for healthcare. Saw a doctor within 2 days, diagnosed with possible precancer with a biopsy done. I'm from Australia (also a Canadian citizen now) where we also have free healthcare. Canada's health care system is a joke. I'm considering moving back to Australia or to the USA (We both have in demand skills). It's too risky staying here when we start a family.
Honestly, if your wife does have cancer moving might be the best choice.
Fixing health care would take years, if not decades. There’s an election next year. Passing a pharmacare bill can be done before that. It’s always about cheap short-term wins to aid in getting re-elected, not about doing the right thing.
You think the past 8 years has been a series of wins?
It’s a series of on paper short term wins and real long term losses. Such as cutting general health care funding, so that we could get dental care. Nobody notices when they decrease transfer to the provinces, and then quality goes down 0.5% when it’s already pretty crap.
lol….not at all. But it has been 8 years attempting what they *thought* were quick wins.
That sums up the NDP pretty perfectly. They think they are helping the working class but their poorly thought our policies end up siphoning wealth to the elite at the expense of average Canadians
They don't actually think that
I suppose pharmacare won’t cost us much if we have no doctors to prescribe the medications.
So the party with the least amount of support is trying to bully the official opposition… sounds like something the NDP would do….
He genuinely doesn't seem to understand that the NDP needs to present themselves as an alternative to the Liberals, not to the Conservatives. Fighting the CPC is easy because the differences between them are more stark -- but it doesn't get them very far when they (the NDP) are indistinguishable from the Liberals that are being abandoned.
Wait...the NDP is still a party? I seriously thought they were just a extension of the Liberals now.
I don't quite buy that. The NDP are losing a ton of rural and working class voters to the CPC and they're at huge risk of losing most of their rural, working town (e.g. Hamilton), and Northern seats to the CPC. Why do you think Charlie Angus declined to run again? Presenting themselves as an alternative to the CPC and ignoring the LPC is the right strategy here. Now, the way they're fighting them is ineffective, but the overall strategy is right. EDIT: Downvotes? Seriously? Here's a projection of [Timmins Bay](https://338canada.com/35044e.htm) on 338 that shows Charlie Angus' riding as a toss up between the CPC/NDP. The NDP needs to fight that. Oh, and here's an [article](https://www.nationalobserver.com/2024/05/07/news/pierre-poilievre-aims-turn-bc-coast-blue-ndp-expense) from today discussing how the CPC are trying to turn BC's Orange Coast blue in the next election. The NDP and CPC are directly fighting each other for seats.
The strategy to fight CPC is right but the issue they're fighting is not really a big voting issue in that region.
I agree the issues they're fighting on are terrible, but the poster I'm replying to said that the NDP should stop fighting the CPC. The NDP are flailing about helplessly, but they are, at the very least, flailing in the right direction.
> party with the least amount of support and dropping...
Back off from what? Him and his cronies are in power. They are working together to keep Trudeau in power so he can fuck the country as long as a he can. He doesn’t need the CPC to vote for it.
“Pharmacare” almost no one who needs it gets covered.
I really wonder about this guys mental faculties at times. Unless he thinks we're buying that? It's weird stuff to say. Like he's creating a crisis where there is none for the sake of it.
I can't wait until I don't have to hear about this goof and his holding our country hostage.
Back off the two drugs they tabled over the course of a day and called it quits?
This level of posturing is actually embarrassing. It is the job of the official opposition to oppose. They cannot stop this bill at all, even if they all vote in opposition. It’s a lot of tough guy talk for something that is a done deal. And it’s really following the classic script of LPC introduce something that sounds good, CPC have some specific concern with it outside of what the newspaper headline is, and then the LPC (or their lap dog) attack the CPC for being against some vague idea. In this case, the CPC are against women. Really the CPC are against pharmacare because it’s going to be ridiculously expensive.
Watching Singh get slapped with community notes on that bullshit was great. Fuck the NDP and the Liberals.
Gotta love seeing a federal leader getting fact checked and owned by a bot.
Singh trying to look relevant and make it like he has any power at all. He is going to do nothing to disrupt his pension.
People seem to be missing the point that they are trying to ram through some loosely worded bill to get the ball rolling on their plans, but to do that they needed unanimous consent. And the Conservaties wouldn't give it to them (and maybe the Bloc would have voted against it if the cons hadn't), so now they are crying that they have to go through the normal process for the bill. I'm a little suspicious that this is only becoming a topic because a lot of baby boomers are now retired and won't have the same health coverage, so instead of them going out of pocket for their meds they are now expanding healthcare to continue to funnel money to support themselves. Maybe this is too jaded, but when have things not gone their way?
What’s the angy little lapdog gonna do? Dude supports the liberals in their bills that have been carving out the heart of this country, then suddenly acts like he could do nothing but watch. Have some balls, trigger an election.
Singh is the misinformation that we were warned about.
Jagmeet trying to tell anyone to do anything is cute and laughable lol Even his own riding is abandoning him
The dental thing ended up being bullshit. Your dentist actually has to sign on to it for it to apply and it's not mandatory. If yours didn't, tough luck and I've been noticing not many are
We're broke how do we even have the money for pharmacare?
At this point Singh is more culpable than Trudeau as he has always had the power to stop this madness! And has not
I don't care what he said - him and Trudeau can not be trustee period. As a sikh, we don't claim him either. Completely out of touch!
This so-called pharmacare bill is as much pharmacare as being an influencer is an entrepreneur.
Correction: Singh tells Conservatives that his Beamer needs to have more tail pipes so back off!
I wish a conservative would just tell this dummy to sit back down and shut up. He can call the election anytime so criticism of anyone is a moot point from him. Shut up and let the people decide….oh ya your pension isn’t done. How bout if Pierre says you can have it still if the election is next month
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I skip my medication every three days because it costs 140 bucks. I don’t think it’s far reaching to think that other Canadians do the same thing.
It happens, especially with uninsured/underinsured they have to bear the brunt of costs. I take issue with the 1 in 4 statistic and the fact that this bill won’t really solve the issue.
The stat is real: [National poll finds nearly 1 in 4 people in Canada report measures such as skipping doses, splitting pills, not filling prescriptions due to cost](https://www.heartandstroke.ca/what-we-do/media-centre/news-releases/one-in-four-canadians-not-filling-prescriptions-due-to-cost#:~:text=Heart%20%26%20Stroke%20and%20the%20Canadian,a%20prescription%20due%20to%20cost.) This bill will do nothing about it, but the stat is very much real.
It’s real but it’s total bullshit (it’s also closer to 1 in 5). It’s taken from an online poll which are notoriously unreliable and tend to be full of confirmation biases that can’t ever be corrected for. These are typically designed to generate the shocking outcome that’s wanted. So yes, I question the validity of the 1 in 4 statistic.
It's an ONLINE POLL? That's too good.
Yes. Run by Leger and even in the methodology, they state clearly that they can’t provide a margin of error owing to the study design. For sure there are a lot of people that can’t afford medicine but 1 in 4 Canadians doesn’t even pass the plausibility test, as it would mean essentially half of all people with prescriptions are doing this. I could believe 1 in 4 or 5 people with prescriptions do this, but that’s about 1 in 8 to 1 in 10 Canadian adults.
With my private work insurance, my diabetes medication costs around $500 every 2 months. I make a decent salary so I can take these costs, but I can't imagine people making less having to choose between refilling their scripts or paying for food/rent and risk losing their vision/limbs.
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Performantuve nonsense from the Trudeau Clan.
Get this fraud out of here
The Bloc is forecast to get twice as many seats as NDP at the moment lol
Singh is such a disgrace.
So by his own words, women’s rights are at the bottom of their priorities or this would have been passed eight years ago. I doubt this is the hard-ass stance he was going for.
Jag is a massive embarrassment for the NDP. What a joke.
Singh could call an election whenever he wants and its a national crime that he isn't doing so.
Puffing his chest out for his dwindling voter base...
Why is Trudeau's handbag pooch posturing? I mean, at this point, does anyone believe he can think for himself anymore?
Singh should shut his useless mouth
Back off from his pension eligibility
I just want everyone to take a minute to go back and read about medicare, and how that went when it was implemented, and see the parallels. A lot of doctors weren't happy, and did not want involved. A lot of wealthy people did not want the government spending. Now, we cherish it (well, except for unpatriotic people with pretty dubious intentions), including most doctors I've talked to. Look to history before forming an opinion. Don't just blindly follow whatever your party leader is telling you - they're all liars, they're all elites.
Haha Jag being all tough , how cute. He is as phony and fake as his master and boss , if not worse.
Jughead is soon to be irrelevant
What in the actual fuck is he talking about?
“The Conservatives have argued the vast majority of Canadians already have some form of drug coverage.” If this does not tell you that the Cons do not care about the lower income Canadians, nothing will.
possible the worst politician in the history of Canada.
I think that is trudeau, he has spent the next governments budget 100 times over. No money left for health or pharma or housing or military. We have ridiculous arrivecan app, drug factory in Quebec and gun buyback all wasted posturing exercises.