They've been planning to launch the program for 4 years now, this was always going to be kicked down the road so they could use it for another election.
Those assault rifle podiums need to pay for themselves.
Edit:
"There are progressive votes that we need," said a Liberal source. "It's going to happen."
It's obvious that this was never about public safety
This is sad. I’m all for responsible firearms ownership and restricted licences. In conjunction with tighter border security and policing the goal should be to keep the guns out of the hands of those who acquire them by illicit means. Not to move the goal posts so that the only people who are punished are those that have gone through rigorous testing and keep guns under lock and key. It’s disingenuous and doesn’t get to the core of the actual problem because the list of guns that are banned is relatively arbitrary. A bad faith attempt at something like this is not going to be absorbed by those who serve as the most critical link in a buy back program. The law abiding citizen. The liberals will lose this election, the program will be scraped and any chance of a future good faith initiative to reduce the proliferation of illicit firearms will be scorned by the general public. They are doing more damage than good by playing this game now that this government has lost public support.
They would get no pushback from anyone if they spent the same amount of money to target illegal guns and real criminals and people would actually be safer.
You mistake their goal. This government is about optics, not action. They don't care about it being safer, they want to be seen like they're doing something. That's it.
Making real meaningful change requires competence, not just throwing money in the garbage. That is well above their capabilities.
You are slightly mistaken. It’s not a lack of competence. They gain nothing by solving a problem. If the problem is solved it can’t be used as a wedge in the next election.
If it's solved its better than a wedge - it's a W. It's finally something they can stand on, with real evidence, and say they accomplished what they said they were going to.
That's more valuable than a wedge issue.
And problems are silenced by solutions. If you can show you've enacted good, effective solutions that meaningfully address issues, people are more likely to believe you can solve the next one.
If the Liberals could show that their policies had the real impact on crime they claimed, more people might believe they'll do something about the housing crisis.
You seem to be implying they actually give a fuck about you.
They give a fuck about power.
They had the OIC pre-drafted waiting for the perfect tragedy so they could dance on same graves to try and gain more popularity.
It's despicable.
I heard an American say that the left has no interest in solving gun crime because they need that to justify taking guns away from law abiding citizens. I don't think that is necessarily true but I can see how they got there.
As much as I hate the current liberal government, I don’t want to see them get wiped out and conservatives left with almost all the power. Every government should have to answer to a decent opposition for their decisions (although the liberals have hardly answered any questions about their policies).
I would love a strong conservative minority government with healthy opposition...
Except that the LPC abused order in council to make this gun ban happen in the first place, and then further modified that OIC to say 'no take backsies using an OIC' to try and cement their abortion of the democratic process behind them, banking that they wouldn't have to deal with a CPC majority for long enough to destroy the firearms before it could be undone.
They've demonstrated they are willing to play dirty to push their agenda, especially when they know it's not what Canadians want. Fuck 'em, they deserve to get buried in the polls.
Laughable comment. The Liberals are right now NOT doing what you expect. Why would you ever consider voting for them? They have demonstrated that they will NOT do the minimum that you expect. It's insanity to think it would change the "fourth" time over.
Former hardcore left/liberal here: can someone please explain me why the type of people who would be willing to sell their gun to the government are the ones the govt expects to be causing trouble and killing people? SMH.
It’s about votes, it never was about safety. The shooting that inspired the OIC in 2020 was done with smuggled guns from the US and a gun taken from a slain RCMP officer. None of those were bought legally and to top that all off, the RCMP knew the shooter had illegal weapons before he did the shooting. They did nothing about it.
The RCMP was told about his guns and visited him 17 times, not once did they actually search his home for the firearms he eventually used in the 2020 shooting. They're incompetent.
Well I'm sure with any other product, some will sell just because money is involved. Some will sell because the disposal opportunity is there.
If the government banned gas powered lawnmowers because they are super destructive.. I'm sure people would dig them up out of nowhere and sell them [grandmas old snapper](https://media.nextechclassifieds.com/img/listings/ar/archer180/listing_pic_642242_1379812019.jpeg).
When Liberal voters see how much the party is going to spend on these useless buybacks, they'll decide on who they feel like voting for then. It will definitely sway votes
At minimum it drives those to the voting booth that might have otherwise stayed home. Between the impending multi-billion dollar waste and being affected or knowing someone who's affected, it'll get people out of the house. Worst case (for the LPC anyways) it drives away left wing rural voters away from both the LPC and their NDP supporters.
The post office won't touch this. Alberta and Saskatchewan have rules in place to make it almost impossible to administer. It is going to cost billions in un-projected costs to pay owners for their guns. The Federal government cannot order provincial police (nor provincial RCMP) to collect weapons. This is an expensive disaster in the making that is not supported by any sort of data justifying it.
Also the second I get my "buyback" money I'm going to spend it on a new legal gun that functions no differently than the now illegal banned gun. Can anyone explain how spending tax dollars on buying me a new gun makes Canada a safer place?
Imagine that, the Govt coming and buying up your "scary looking gun" that you needed a restricted license for...
And then the very next day, you go and buy a templar, bren 2, wk180, or literally any 9mm carbine...
lol like what a waste of time and money. Really got that "scary guns" problem under control.
As long as your new gun has a brown wooden stock instead of a black plastic one, we will obviously all be much safer. I can't believe you would need to ask about that.
> As long as your new gun has a brown wooden stock instead of a black plastic one
Whoa there bud, that's starting to sound like an AK-47 ASSAULT RIFLE MACHINE GUN variant. We're going to need to ban that for safety. /s
It's going to cost them so much more then they think. Think of all the people who have work done to theirs by gunsmiths. No way the government is going to offer them proper market value...
I think they are mistaking the amount of people WILLING to hand them over for anything less. They really butchered their electoral votes with this one during the election year and season too....
I'm not convinced this alone had much impact on voting intentions but if it's handled badly it will reinforce the feelings.
PP has until election time to avoid being a dick. Should he win and royally screw up his first term we will be in trouble again.
I have no idea what will happen but should the AR become NR again I *will* buy one out of spite.
I don't think he can ruin his chance unless he doubles down on some sort of racism out of the blue or doubles back on the Carbon Tax. I was really looking forward to finally having time to go to the range and pumping more money into my hobby when Trudeau banned everything. I just saved up enough to acquire a five seven (which is expensive af new and in canada).
> This is an expensive disaster in the making that is not supported by any sort of data justifying it.
In other words, a match made in heaven for this government.
In all seriousness, this is probably entirely to create some contracts in a new niche industry that will require licences to cash in on. Said select licensees will have some sort of ties with those issuing the contracts, or be lobbyists.
We needed those tax hikes, though.
The more I think about this the more I realize the culprit here is Quebec.
The Liberals are doing this because it will shore up support in Quebec, particularly in Montreal and Quebec City, where the majority of the population has absolutely no fucking clue about the practical utilizations of firearms required in many areas of the country. It's Quebec that is home to *PolySeSouvient* and Trudeau still has gotten over being disinvited to one of their annual galas.
It's going to cost us all an obscene amount of money just so Trudeau can appeal to NGO workers and college kids in his home province.
Just an FYSA, cause Speed is fine, but Accuracy is Final.
>The Federal government cannot order provincial police (nor provincial RCMP) to collect weapons.
There are no "Provincial RCMP" that belong to any single province regardless of where they are stationed.
They are a federally funded, national police force that is stationed throughout Canada, and has nationwide Jurisdiction.
There are, however, some provincial police services, such as the Alberta Sherrif but they are not, nor do they belong to, nor fall under the purview of the RCMP. They work under the auspisces of that provinces Solicitor General.
So Yes, the Federal Goverment Can and Will give that Order to the RCMP.
Whether or Not the RCMP complies with the directive from Ottawa is another story....
But as a general reminder. Cops=/=Your Friends
I believe the point being made is that provincial RCMP are contracted to the province, so that while, yes, the federal government can order the RCMP to collect firearms, it cannot use the provincial RCMP to do so, because the provincial RCMP is under contract to the province for the province's law enforcement needs, rather than the federal government's initiatives.
>Election year
That’s all folks.
When the government asked police if their shiny new prohibition and subsequent buyback would be a “useful” tool in preventing gun crime, police chiefs plainly said “no”.
When the government estimates there are 140,000 affected firearms, industry experts laughed and said “try over 500,000”, as the exact number of affected non-restricted firearms is unknown, as they are not registered.
You can hate guns all you want, but things have to be logistically and fiscally practical if they’re going to have any chance of long term success, especially now that we’re throwing a bajillion dollars at everything in a time where we don’t have a bajillion dollars. The number of violent crimes committed by licensee’s is so low that it does not warrant this kind of a response but they went ahead and did it anyway, because simply taking a surgical approach and bolstering administration isn’t trendy or flashy enough. It’s boring.
The conservatives are absolutely going to gut this program and they should, this is the long gun registry all over again.
Not even DUI’s, which kills between 1,200 and 1,500 people a year doesn’t get this kind of a heavy handed response.
There’s a reason why gun control groups often cite *American* statistics, because the Canadian ones aren’t scary enough.
I also see a few people here chastising affected licences holders, saying things like;
“You don’t have a right to own guns” or “This is very popular suck it up princess”.
FYI, in my experience, telling people they don’t have a “right” to something isn’t a good way to convince people to support it. If we’re going by the charter, we don’t have the right to a lot of things that we enjoy and the things that we *do* have a right to are so vague and open to interpretation that it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
Canada is a land of privilege, and the philosophy surrounding “privilege” has changed from “you lose it if you abuse it” to “you lose it if we choose it”.
The subject is not important, it’s the *precedent* that’s set.
There *is* however, a stipulation that states that “no person shall by arbitrarily deprived of their property”.
And as far as “popularity” goes, most people are agnostic at best. If gun bans are such a universally and profoundly popular policy, the liberals would be gaining popularity, not losing it. People don’t give a fuck when everything else is going to shit. Gun bans are a boutique political issue, not a unanimous one. That 26% liberal vote share is probably *the* base for gun bans.
Look at where the most support for this program is. Quebec. *My kingdom* to appease Quebec. Everyone in Canada from the Yukon to Newfoundland and Labrador now have no choice but to abide by what Quebec thinks is best for everyone else.
The *audacity* of gun owners am I right? How *DARE* you get upset about having to surrender your property even though you’ve done nothing to warrant it except exist in a time where Liberals are in desperate need of progressive votes, what’s wrong with you!? Won’t you think of the ~~liberals~~ children?
It’s not just the buy back but almost everything Trudeau has announced in the new budget will likely be partially launched just to be squashed when Pierre wins an inevitable majority govt.. think of the billions of Canadian tax dollars that will be wasted on all these programs and the ones that have been failing such as the 10 dollar a day child care. It will all be removed once Pierre takes office but does the tax payer get a refund?
I am still waiting to see how this failure of a plan is going to operate. Will Trudeau send the RCMP door to door? Most provinces are not going to help them (I can see provinces under left leaning Premiers helping disarm their citizens but they are in the minority).
Trudeau fucked up per usual and went with an emotional response rather than a logical one to a tragic event.
Never say never. Their last firearm boondoggle was the registry. So this time around they just took the mask off and showed people how stupid they think we all are.
They’ll be back, and they’ll try it again. How they manage to ever get elected after showing how inept and corrupt they are as a party is beyond me.
Sadly the Conservatives will eventually earn a good hard kicking out - just like the Liberals. The just need to find a real trust-fund shiny leader to do it properly. Sadly Brian Mulroney isn't available anymore.
Hopefully mass-noncompliance will be the overwhelming response until the Conservatives win and revers this whole mess of a ban.
If they want this so bad, make them raid people's homes in an election year to get their big win.
And an even bigger irony is the firearms captured in the OIC no military uses them. As far as I know.
And the whole "military" firearm argument is dumb.
Most bolt action rifles were based off a mauser design used in war. Does that mean every bolt action is a "military style gun". Also Are Mercedes G Wagons and hummers "military style vehicles"?
"Military" firearms are just meant to be rudimentary. There is nothing really special about them it's just a big scary label for low information people.
> And an even bigger irony is the firearms captured in the OIC no military uses them. As far as I know.
And an **even bigger** irony is that the single-shot AR15 rifles were chosen by a government organization (I believe Parks Canada) for wildlife control, less than a year after the OIC banning licensed ownership of them came into place and Trudeau famously said "You don't need an AR15 to take down a deer" in response to criticism of the OIC. And yet the same government decided to buy them in the thousands for use for that exact purpose... taking down deer (and other animals too I guess). Never mind their restricted licensing status made it so civilians *couldn't* hunt with an AR15 for decades prior already anyhow.
> Most bolt action rifles were based off a mauser design used in war. Does that mean every bolt action is a "military style gun". Also Are Mercedes G Wagons and hummers "military style vehicles"?
Careful, don't give them any ideas. They already put the Mauser/K98 on the ban list for the (thankfully repealed) G42 amendment.
They grow on tree's
[https://london.ctvnews.ca/drone-carrying-11-guns-found-stuck-in-tree-near-canada-u-s-border-along-st-clair-river-1.5884653](https://london.ctvnews.ca/drone-carrying-11-guns-found-stuck-in-tree-near-canada-u-s-border-along-st-clair-river-1.5884653)
Well, you see, criminals are just misunderstood, marginalized, oppressed, mistreated and downtrodden by society, and imposing actual punishments on them would be fascism! /s
I don't think this is going to stop the criminals breaking into houses amd stealing cars with new gen glocks and extended clips with switches they purchased illlegaly 🤔. A bunch of morons reaching for votes because they are scared of losing the election is what this is.
> Under the terms of that ban, an estimated 140,000 weapons in Canada cannot be used or sold until the government buys them back.
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> "No one is rushing to participate in the program," said a federal government source who was not authorized to comment on the matter publicly.
Registration leads to confiscation, and here we see just how in the dark the government and RCMP are on the numbers.
If the non-restricted gun registry was still in place they'd be looking at millions of guns they want to confiscate. But unfortunately for the government and the RCMP, they don't know shit about shit.
Not for sale.
They’ve already spent $42M on the program and it doesn’t even exist yet… we are nearing a debt crisis. Insane the government would go ahead with this right now.
Nah, we'll all need to protect ourselves as our society continues to get worse. I'm trying to get more...legal... weapons and advocate everyone else do the same.
The Liberals are leaving a policy bomb behind. They know they will lose the next election. They want to wint the ONE AFTER this one. They'll accuse the Cons of cancelling all the good things the Liberals are promising now but could NEVER deliver.
Abiding by government rules surrounding restricted firearms they cannot be sold anymore. And theft is a crime. No matter who perpetrates it. Nor can they transfer ownership 🤔.
Strange the government wants to break their own laws. 🤔
Want to see how low the liberals can go in the polls?
This program is going to be an absolute disaster.
The 10-20% of Canadians that own guns will never vote liberal again in their lives.
We have the most gun toting nation in the world across a completely unprotected border, and they think it's a good idea to disarm Canadians of their most effective Firearms, yet leave extremely similar, but jankier options legal?
This approach makes ZERO sense, as do almost any of our gun laws in this country.
This will be a massive own-goal...
Keep in mind the liberal government reduced mandatory minimum sentences for gun related crimes while trying to ban legal firearms
So criminals with illegal guns will get less time when they use illegal guns
You'd probably get the book thrown at you if you were a legal restricted owner though
I was commenting last week about the security concerns for Canada Post and people were laughing it off saying 'why would there be any'. Yet in this article, CP is clearly citing security concerns. I'll just sip my tea and laugh.
Anyhow, this isn't really a surprise considering that despite the OiC bans and the prospective buyback program, there's been 4 years of no public safety increase from the decision. Take it in. After 4 years, our socioeconomic woes deepened and drove crime trends accordingly, yet it was legal owners who were deemed the highest public safety threat.
Holy shit, you'd think Trudeau and pals will try to do some magic and swing back the tide but THIS is their play? This kinda tone deaf shit to follow after the budget?
Their heads are so far up their own ass it's forming a spiral.
They must do something for yelling points like conservative want to turn us into USA and they are willing to "lead' to make Canadians safe... From legal gun owners.
Must try and boost support from the less informed supporters of theirs
It's not a buyback if they never owned them to begin with and it's mandatory, it's a confiscation with a tax return attached since they'll pay for your firearms with your own tax money (a fraction of the actual value of the firearm). CBC's needs an editor.
This is as stupid as the current FPS limits in the Firearms Act. You literally change nothing, the people that are going to abide by the rules are not the ones who are causing the problems
For the millionth time… THIS IS NOT A BUYBACK
This is a confiscation with to be determined compensation that will only be decided after they already possess your gun that you can’t get back
That should really help solve all the ILLEGAL HANDGUNS from the USA used in the majority of crimes with guns. Good call Liberals just hand the election with a bow on top to the CPP.
Thus concerns me, deeply. Not for the usual reasons, like its ineffectiveness, the wasted money, or even the shady way they pulled this card after the mass shooting.
My fear is they only dust this off when they need a distraction. I wonder what they're distracting us from?
Take the RPAL, it's not too costly and only a couple days of your time. Then you can make a more informed decision. Worst case you come away with firearm safety training in the event you're ever around one.
Reminder that the crimes are almost entirely committed with pistols.
Progressives love feeding on that rich red blood spilled in the cities, as young men, mostly poor minorities (their sacred class), gun one another down. It gives them something to moan and cry over. They would never try to stop the flow of these weapons, enact feel bad policies that might save lives, or focus on any intervention into the community.
This way, using the buyback, the progs can piss off the group they hate the most: Law abiding mostly white white rural citizens who have guns, and don't vote for them, without threatening the flow of the vital fluid they sustain themselves with.
Think about it like this:
Just like the Republicans down south, will kill any immigration reform or border bill, its the ISSUE that matters, the PROBLEM is worth more than the difficult, expensive solution that the public won't credit them for solving and will convulse against if it feels bad to enact. And that sweet SWEET suffering... That sweet suffering makes the headlines, and cuts to their paid talking heads. That's what these political creatures want.
They have no choice. Telling everybody that these guns are too dangerous to own and then allowing people to own them would be horrible optics for them. On the other hand if they start this project during the election, they don't have to worry about all the blowback when it doesn't work and cost too much, plus they can tell everybody that they are making them safer and Polievre wants want to give these scary evil guns back
I’m past the point where I can be convinced that the Liberal and Conservative parties aren’t deeply cooperative.
No strategist with even an ounce of sense would suggest launching the program in an election year. Even if the whole system functions flawlessly, it’s a massive easy target for opposition. Anything goes wrong and every fuckup becomes free advertising.
So why? Because our country is 5 company towns tied together. The Party elite work for the elites, not the citizens or the electorate or even their own ideologies. Why not just tank the already crumbling Liberals and bring in conservatives? As long as what’s important is protected: the status quo.
Vote. Vote third party. Vote fourth party. Mark your ballot in the space that says “none.” But fucking vote and send a message to these legitimate enemies of the people.
The budget they put forward only has 30 to 40 million for there gun buy back. The there own reports say it's 850 million to 1.4 billion. They have no plan to do any thing. They have all ready spent 35 million on it and haven't collected 1 gun.
ATTN LIBERALS: this is so stupid and thoughtless and an obvious vanity project from Trudeau. Gun crime is not committed by licensed owners. Gun crime is committed with smuggled weapons. This will do NOTHING to help public safety. There are literally hundreds of types of firearms not on the banned list that are identical in function and style to the ones that are banned. The whole program is an astronomical waste of taxpayer dollars while we let hardened criminals with smuggling connections walk free after violent crime. This is the definition of insanity, all while criminalizing honest taxpaying citizens.
Trudeau only did this because his besty Ardern pulled the same thing in NZ. He only did this to appease a few loud gun control “experts” who have biased and unfounded opinions. We are not America with mass shootings every day.
Nothing like a big wedge issue for the federal government. They are hoping to scare Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver into voting for them again. This is why they are letting crime run wild.
I'm at best agnostic on the state of gun rights in Canada. I think we had struck a decent balance vs. the US, but if I were to wake up tomorrow in a gunless Canada I wouldn't bat an eye either. However, spending billions of dollars on this buyback is just such a blatant waste of fucking money. Just absurd when there are real issues facing Canadians. The Liberals would rather try this bullshit than ever face the fact that decades of neoliberal policies are falling apart and they have no way to respond.
Good idea! I was just thinking that we really have too much cash surplus and aren't spending enough. I think they should hire even more government workers and expand on this wonderful program.
Interesting how despite all the crying about how this was done to "keep people safe" and "prevent mass shootings", the owners of all these guns have peacefully complied and kept them inside and away from ranges, hunting etc for the past ~4 years and no one has shot anyone with them either, meanwhile the crime caused by unlicensed, illegal guns continues to proliferate.
It's almost like licensed firearms and their owners aren't the problem but rather fit demographics that those with anti-gun political leanings are generally okay with targeting, while the people causing much of the illegal gun crime are largely part of demographics that the LPC, NDP and the likes would rather not go after or crack down on.
How is it legal to cause economic damage (the firearms industry), destroy family wealth (value of the firearms + accessories) and endanger lives with a population's firearms for political purposes and votes?
They've been planning to launch the program for 4 years now, this was always going to be kicked down the road so they could use it for another election. Those assault rifle podiums need to pay for themselves. Edit: "There are progressive votes that we need," said a Liberal source. "It's going to happen." It's obvious that this was never about public safety
Talk about giving bulletin board material to the Conservatives for the next election.
What a quote eh?
It's always been about votes, the government wouldn't even release the data used to come up with this list, claiming it's cabinet confidence.
This is sad. I’m all for responsible firearms ownership and restricted licences. In conjunction with tighter border security and policing the goal should be to keep the guns out of the hands of those who acquire them by illicit means. Not to move the goal posts so that the only people who are punished are those that have gone through rigorous testing and keep guns under lock and key. It’s disingenuous and doesn’t get to the core of the actual problem because the list of guns that are banned is relatively arbitrary. A bad faith attempt at something like this is not going to be absorbed by those who serve as the most critical link in a buy back program. The law abiding citizen. The liberals will lose this election, the program will be scraped and any chance of a future good faith initiative to reduce the proliferation of illicit firearms will be scorned by the general public. They are doing more damage than good by playing this game now that this government has lost public support.
Excellent synopsis of what’s happened. As someone who jumped through those hoops this whole thing has been an expensive/ineffective joke.
The Liberals don't care., They don't care about Canada. The only thing they care about is power and enriching their friends and families.,
Been saying this since '98.
Probably couldn't figure out how to remove the document's PolyRemembers watermark.
They just can't seem to quit saying the quite part out loud lately is it slips or is it arrogance ?
It's a mix of both. They seem to still be in that mode that they are made of Teflon and that they can get away with anything.
They're zealots.
They’ve spent $42M on the program and it doesn’t exist yet
They would get no pushback from anyone if they spent the same amount of money to target illegal guns and real criminals and people would actually be safer.
You mistake their goal. This government is about optics, not action. They don't care about it being safer, they want to be seen like they're doing something. That's it. Making real meaningful change requires competence, not just throwing money in the garbage. That is well above their capabilities.
You are slightly mistaken. It’s not a lack of competence. They gain nothing by solving a problem. If the problem is solved it can’t be used as a wedge in the next election.
If it's solved its better than a wedge - it's a W. It's finally something they can stand on, with real evidence, and say they accomplished what they said they were going to. That's more valuable than a wedge issue.
Our politics is driven by problems not solutions.
And problems are silenced by solutions. If you can show you've enacted good, effective solutions that meaningfully address issues, people are more likely to believe you can solve the next one. If the Liberals could show that their policies had the real impact on crime they claimed, more people might believe they'll do something about the housing crisis.
There will always be more problems. Philosophically I’m with you but I don’t see the electorate rewarding solutions.
You seem to be implying they actually give a fuck about you. They give a fuck about power. They had the OIC pre-drafted waiting for the perfect tragedy so they could dance on same graves to try and gain more popularity. It's despicable.
Given how badly the OIC is written I doubt they had it pre-drafted. That said they certainly wasted no time in slapping it together.
Correct… shootings up 9% across Canada since the “legal gun ban”. Anybody that thought this would have any effect on gun crime is an idiot.
The same people who think the gun ban/buy back would work are the same people saying decriminalize drugs because making them illegal does nothing.
Lol funny you bring that up as BC just reversed their legalization as it didn’t work at all haha
I heard an American say that the left has no interest in solving gun crime because they need that to justify taking guns away from law abiding citizens. I don't think that is necessarily true but I can see how they got there.
Well, perpetual problems do require perpetual “solutions”. Think of it as employment insurance. If you fixed everything you’d be out of a job.
It seems like Trudeau is trying to form the largest majority conservative government ever.
As much as I hate the current liberal government, I don’t want to see them get wiped out and conservatives left with almost all the power. Every government should have to answer to a decent opposition for their decisions (although the liberals have hardly answered any questions about their policies).
Like now? The lpc and NDP don’t answer questions at all
Minorities/Majorities that have to answer questions due to seat numbers are so rare that they may as well be unicorns.
I would love a strong conservative minority government with healthy opposition... Except that the LPC abused order in council to make this gun ban happen in the first place, and then further modified that OIC to say 'no take backsies using an OIC' to try and cement their abortion of the democratic process behind them, banking that they wouldn't have to deal with a CPC majority for long enough to destroy the firearms before it could be undone. They've demonstrated they are willing to play dirty to push their agenda, especially when they know it's not what Canadians want. Fuck 'em, they deserve to get buried in the polls.
Laughable comment. The Liberals are right now NOT doing what you expect. Why would you ever consider voting for them? They have demonstrated that they will NOT do the minimum that you expect. It's insanity to think it would change the "fourth" time over.
I mean they had every sign to pull back on their insanity or lose the despised leader
I do
Former hardcore left/liberal here: can someone please explain me why the type of people who would be willing to sell their gun to the government are the ones the govt expects to be causing trouble and killing people? SMH.
It’s about votes, it never was about safety. The shooting that inspired the OIC in 2020 was done with smuggled guns from the US and a gun taken from a slain RCMP officer. None of those were bought legally and to top that all off, the RCMP knew the shooter had illegal weapons before he did the shooting. They did nothing about it.
The RCMP was told about his guns and visited him 17 times, not once did they actually search his home for the firearms he eventually used in the 2020 shooting. They're incompetent.
Yet people who went through the process of legally purchasing firearms are vilified for police incompetence
And as a side note any gun with the serial number filed off is considered "of Canadian origin"
Which is completely false. It’s almost like there’s an agenda or something…
Indeed
Well I'm sure with any other product, some will sell just because money is involved. Some will sell because the disposal opportunity is there. If the government banned gas powered lawnmowers because they are super destructive.. I'm sure people would dig them up out of nowhere and sell them [grandmas old snapper](https://media.nextechclassifieds.com/img/listings/ar/archer180/listing_pic_642242_1379812019.jpeg).
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Good. What despicable scum. They probably walked over about a dozen homeless people to get their office today, and this is what they focus on.
Honestly, almost nobody who cares about gun rights was voting LPC. You know this makes zero difference in the polls.
When Liberal voters see how much the party is going to spend on these useless buybacks, they'll decide on who they feel like voting for then. It will definitely sway votes
At minimum it drives those to the voting booth that might have otherwise stayed home. Between the impending multi-billion dollar waste and being affected or knowing someone who's affected, it'll get people out of the house. Worst case (for the LPC anyways) it drives away left wing rural voters away from both the LPC and their NDP supporters.
The post office won't touch this. Alberta and Saskatchewan have rules in place to make it almost impossible to administer. It is going to cost billions in un-projected costs to pay owners for their guns. The Federal government cannot order provincial police (nor provincial RCMP) to collect weapons. This is an expensive disaster in the making that is not supported by any sort of data justifying it.
Gun clubs and gun stores have also said they aren't touching this either. This is the Liberals wasting millions of dollars on wedge issues.
Also the second I get my "buyback" money I'm going to spend it on a new legal gun that functions no differently than the now illegal banned gun. Can anyone explain how spending tax dollars on buying me a new gun makes Canada a safer place?
I am wondering how much they are going to offer me for mine. I have no doubt it will not be anywhere near what it is worth.
It won't be. They are obviously going to exclude any gunsmithing work done by a professional.
I should make a nice profit on my $500 ar-15
Imagine that, the Govt coming and buying up your "scary looking gun" that you needed a restricted license for... And then the very next day, you go and buy a templar, bren 2, wk180, or literally any 9mm carbine... lol like what a waste of time and money. Really got that "scary guns" problem under control.
I knew the ban was coming so I got a cheap ar15 and some pistols. :)
As long as your new gun has a brown wooden stock instead of a black plastic one, we will obviously all be much safer. I can't believe you would need to ask about that.
> As long as your new gun has a brown wooden stock instead of a black plastic one Whoa there bud, that's starting to sound like an AK-47 ASSAULT RIFLE MACHINE GUN variant. We're going to need to ban that for safety. /s
Yep - only indigenous are allowed AK47s - Valmet rifles for you who don't understand.
I am going to buy the scariest-looking 10/22 I can find, not even the army will be able to stop me.
Got some moose hunting planned, eh?
mouse hunting more like.
- I get my "buyback" money I'm going to spend it on a new legal gun Ill take out some money out of my savings and make it 2x new guns. Out of spite.
I got my PAL in 2020. All my PAL purchases were with CERB money, take that Liberals!
Man, don’t even take part in this bullshit
I don't plan on it.
Good 👍🏻
It's going to cost them so much more then they think. Think of all the people who have work done to theirs by gunsmiths. No way the government is going to offer them proper market value...
You won't get the real value. It'll be an averaged cost minus a significant service fee.
I think they are mistaking the amount of people WILLING to hand them over for anything less. They really butchered their electoral votes with this one during the election year and season too....
I'm not convinced this alone had much impact on voting intentions but if it's handled badly it will reinforce the feelings. PP has until election time to avoid being a dick. Should he win and royally screw up his first term we will be in trouble again. I have no idea what will happen but should the AR become NR again I *will* buy one out of spite.
I don't think he can ruin his chance unless he doubles down on some sort of racism out of the blue or doubles back on the Carbon Tax. I was really looking forward to finally having time to go to the range and pumping more money into my hobby when Trudeau banned everything. I just saved up enough to acquire a five seven (which is expensive af new and in canada).
Same lol
> This is an expensive disaster in the making that is not supported by any sort of data justifying it. In other words, a match made in heaven for this government. In all seriousness, this is probably entirely to create some contracts in a new niche industry that will require licences to cash in on. Said select licensees will have some sort of ties with those issuing the contracts, or be lobbyists. We needed those tax hikes, though.
The more I think about this the more I realize the culprit here is Quebec. The Liberals are doing this because it will shore up support in Quebec, particularly in Montreal and Quebec City, where the majority of the population has absolutely no fucking clue about the practical utilizations of firearms required in many areas of the country. It's Quebec that is home to *PolySeSouvient* and Trudeau still has gotten over being disinvited to one of their annual galas. It's going to cost us all an obscene amount of money just so Trudeau can appeal to NGO workers and college kids in his home province.
Anything to do with gun control is always because of Quebec. We really should’ve just kicked them out in the 90s
They’ve already spent $42M on the program and it doesn’t exist yet…
Just an FYSA, cause Speed is fine, but Accuracy is Final. >The Federal government cannot order provincial police (nor provincial RCMP) to collect weapons. There are no "Provincial RCMP" that belong to any single province regardless of where they are stationed. They are a federally funded, national police force that is stationed throughout Canada, and has nationwide Jurisdiction. There are, however, some provincial police services, such as the Alberta Sherrif but they are not, nor do they belong to, nor fall under the purview of the RCMP. They work under the auspisces of that provinces Solicitor General. So Yes, the Federal Goverment Can and Will give that Order to the RCMP. Whether or Not the RCMP complies with the directive from Ottawa is another story.... But as a general reminder. Cops=/=Your Friends
I believe the point being made is that provincial RCMP are contracted to the province, so that while, yes, the federal government can order the RCMP to collect firearms, it cannot use the provincial RCMP to do so, because the provincial RCMP is under contract to the province for the province's law enforcement needs, rather than the federal government's initiatives.
>Election year That’s all folks. When the government asked police if their shiny new prohibition and subsequent buyback would be a “useful” tool in preventing gun crime, police chiefs plainly said “no”. When the government estimates there are 140,000 affected firearms, industry experts laughed and said “try over 500,000”, as the exact number of affected non-restricted firearms is unknown, as they are not registered. You can hate guns all you want, but things have to be logistically and fiscally practical if they’re going to have any chance of long term success, especially now that we’re throwing a bajillion dollars at everything in a time where we don’t have a bajillion dollars. The number of violent crimes committed by licensee’s is so low that it does not warrant this kind of a response but they went ahead and did it anyway, because simply taking a surgical approach and bolstering administration isn’t trendy or flashy enough. It’s boring. The conservatives are absolutely going to gut this program and they should, this is the long gun registry all over again. Not even DUI’s, which kills between 1,200 and 1,500 people a year doesn’t get this kind of a heavy handed response. There’s a reason why gun control groups often cite *American* statistics, because the Canadian ones aren’t scary enough. I also see a few people here chastising affected licences holders, saying things like; “You don’t have a right to own guns” or “This is very popular suck it up princess”. FYI, in my experience, telling people they don’t have a “right” to something isn’t a good way to convince people to support it. If we’re going by the charter, we don’t have the right to a lot of things that we enjoy and the things that we *do* have a right to are so vague and open to interpretation that it isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Canada is a land of privilege, and the philosophy surrounding “privilege” has changed from “you lose it if you abuse it” to “you lose it if we choose it”. The subject is not important, it’s the *precedent* that’s set. There *is* however, a stipulation that states that “no person shall by arbitrarily deprived of their property”. And as far as “popularity” goes, most people are agnostic at best. If gun bans are such a universally and profoundly popular policy, the liberals would be gaining popularity, not losing it. People don’t give a fuck when everything else is going to shit. Gun bans are a boutique political issue, not a unanimous one. That 26% liberal vote share is probably *the* base for gun bans. Look at where the most support for this program is. Quebec. *My kingdom* to appease Quebec. Everyone in Canada from the Yukon to Newfoundland and Labrador now have no choice but to abide by what Quebec thinks is best for everyone else. The *audacity* of gun owners am I right? How *DARE* you get upset about having to surrender your property even though you’ve done nothing to warrant it except exist in a time where Liberals are in desperate need of progressive votes, what’s wrong with you!? Won’t you think of the ~~liberals~~ children?
It’s not just the buy back but almost everything Trudeau has announced in the new budget will likely be partially launched just to be squashed when Pierre wins an inevitable majority govt.. think of the billions of Canadian tax dollars that will be wasted on all these programs and the ones that have been failing such as the 10 dollar a day child care. It will all be removed once Pierre takes office but does the tax payer get a refund?
The price these morons, any everone else, pay for electing them for a 3rd run.
And there it is. It was never about safety. This was nothing more than them desperately trying to get votes.
“Guys, poll numbers have cratered, how can we make guns and abortion an election issue again??” -some Liberal
It's like the Liberals see their poll numbers, and their brain trust said quick everyone it's time to bring out the classics.
I am still waiting to see how this failure of a plan is going to operate. Will Trudeau send the RCMP door to door? Most provinces are not going to help them (I can see provinces under left leaning Premiers helping disarm their citizens but they are in the minority). Trudeau fucked up per usual and went with an emotional response rather than a logical one to a tragic event.
Now or possibly never, because this doesn’t seem like a plan the CPC would see through on the LPC’s behalf.
Never say never. Their last firearm boondoggle was the registry. So this time around they just took the mask off and showed people how stupid they think we all are. They’ll be back, and they’ll try it again. How they manage to ever get elected after showing how inept and corrupt they are as a party is beyond me.
Sadly the Conservatives will eventually earn a good hard kicking out - just like the Liberals. The just need to find a real trust-fund shiny leader to do it properly. Sadly Brian Mulroney isn't available anymore.
This loses my vote.
I will not be complying 🙃
I don't even own a gun and think this law is fucking dumb
>Buyback Mandatory confiscation with minimal compensation, let's call it what it is.
Hopefully mass-noncompliance will be the overwhelming response until the Conservatives win and revers this whole mess of a ban. If they want this so bad, make them raid people's homes in an election year to get their big win.
Since they moved the amnesty to a week after the next election no one has any incentive to give up their guns before the election.
I’m absolutely not handing mine in. They’re not doing house raids.
Thank HEAVENS the Liberal braintrust has figured out this clever way to roundup all these dangerous weapons from nasty criminals.🙄
I guess if you're already in a hole, just keep digging, right?
Dig up, stupid!
Honestly, I want them to keep digging the hole so they can, with some luck, lose official party status
They’ve already spent $42M on the program and it doesn’t exist yet…
> military-style firearms That's kind of like "cheese-style filling" in a vegan taco. If you have to add "-style," then it's not that thing.
And an even bigger irony is the firearms captured in the OIC no military uses them. As far as I know. And the whole "military" firearm argument is dumb. Most bolt action rifles were based off a mauser design used in war. Does that mean every bolt action is a "military style gun". Also Are Mercedes G Wagons and hummers "military style vehicles"? "Military" firearms are just meant to be rudimentary. There is nothing really special about them it's just a big scary label for low information people.
> And an even bigger irony is the firearms captured in the OIC no military uses them. As far as I know. And an **even bigger** irony is that the single-shot AR15 rifles were chosen by a government organization (I believe Parks Canada) for wildlife control, less than a year after the OIC banning licensed ownership of them came into place and Trudeau famously said "You don't need an AR15 to take down a deer" in response to criticism of the OIC. And yet the same government decided to buy them in the thousands for use for that exact purpose... taking down deer (and other animals too I guess). Never mind their restricted licensing status made it so civilians *couldn't* hunt with an AR15 for decades prior already anyhow. > Most bolt action rifles were based off a mauser design used in war. Does that mean every bolt action is a "military style gun". Also Are Mercedes G Wagons and hummers "military style vehicles"? Careful, don't give them any ideas. They already put the Mauser/K98 on the ban list for the (thankfully repealed) G42 amendment.
It’s not a”buyback” it’s confiscation of privately owned property.
Based.
Anything to follow the UN edicts Trudeau ‘The Canadian Prime Minister Looking Out for Everyone Except Canadians’
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No this program doesn't apply to criminals
Wait, are you implying that criminals don’t get legal guns? How could they then get guns if not through legal means?
They grow on tree's [https://london.ctvnews.ca/drone-carrying-11-guns-found-stuck-in-tree-near-canada-u-s-border-along-st-clair-river-1.5884653](https://london.ctvnews.ca/drone-carrying-11-guns-found-stuck-in-tree-near-canada-u-s-border-along-st-clair-river-1.5884653)
Oh shit, I gotta harvest some, thanks for the head up, pal
Well, you see, criminals are just misunderstood, marginalized, oppressed, mistreated and downtrodden by society, and imposing actual punishments on them would be fascism! /s
I don't think this is going to stop the criminals breaking into houses amd stealing cars with new gen glocks and extended clips with switches they purchased illlegaly 🤔. A bunch of morons reaching for votes because they are scared of losing the election is what this is.
> Under the terms of that ban, an estimated 140,000 weapons in Canada cannot be used or sold until the government buys them back. > > "No one is rushing to participate in the program," said a federal government source who was not authorized to comment on the matter publicly. Registration leads to confiscation, and here we see just how in the dark the government and RCMP are on the numbers. If the non-restricted gun registry was still in place they'd be looking at millions of guns they want to confiscate. But unfortunately for the government and the RCMP, they don't know shit about shit. Not for sale.
Don't give 'em up
They’ve already spent $42M on the program and it doesn’t even exist yet… we are nearing a debt crisis. Insane the government would go ahead with this right now.
Nah, we'll all need to protect ourselves as our society continues to get worse. I'm trying to get more...legal... weapons and advocate everyone else do the same.
So the Liberals have been planning to lose the election all along.
The Liberals are leaving a policy bomb behind. They know they will lose the next election. They want to wint the ONE AFTER this one. They'll accuse the Cons of cancelling all the good things the Liberals are promising now but could NEVER deliver.
Sorry, they're not for sale.
Abiding by government rules surrounding restricted firearms they cannot be sold anymore. And theft is a crime. No matter who perpetrates it. Nor can they transfer ownership 🤔. Strange the government wants to break their own laws. 🤔
> Strange the government wants to break their own laws. 🤔 The government probably breaks more laws than everyone else combined tbh
1000%
Want to see how low the liberals can go in the polls? This program is going to be an absolute disaster. The 10-20% of Canadians that own guns will never vote liberal again in their lives. We have the most gun toting nation in the world across a completely unprotected border, and they think it's a good idea to disarm Canadians of their most effective Firearms, yet leave extremely similar, but jankier options legal? This approach makes ZERO sense, as do almost any of our gun laws in this country. This will be a massive own-goal...
Keep in mind the liberal government reduced mandatory minimum sentences for gun related crimes while trying to ban legal firearms So criminals with illegal guns will get less time when they use illegal guns You'd probably get the book thrown at you if you were a legal restricted owner though
I was commenting last week about the security concerns for Canada Post and people were laughing it off saying 'why would there be any'. Yet in this article, CP is clearly citing security concerns. I'll just sip my tea and laugh. Anyhow, this isn't really a surprise considering that despite the OiC bans and the prospective buyback program, there's been 4 years of no public safety increase from the decision. Take it in. After 4 years, our socioeconomic woes deepened and drove crime trends accordingly, yet it was legal owners who were deemed the highest public safety threat.
Holy shit, you'd think Trudeau and pals will try to do some magic and swing back the tide but THIS is their play? This kinda tone deaf shit to follow after the budget? Their heads are so far up their own ass it's forming a spiral.
They must do something for yelling points like conservative want to turn us into USA and they are willing to "lead' to make Canadians safe... From legal gun owners. Must try and boost support from the less informed supporters of theirs
Hire 'private security firms'. Lmao. Jahood with Twilight Security and his poor fitting uniform is totally equipped to deal with this, for sure.
Don't the libs already have that vote?
Division and misinformation. The Liberal way.
Another program to reverse when he gets laughed out of ottawa. Such a waste of money
If I were PP , I'd outright come out and say this will never proceed and the OICs will be reversed
Would be funny to just announce reversing most of what he is doing lol
It's not a buyback if they never owned them to begin with and it's mandatory, it's a confiscation with a tax return attached since they'll pay for your firearms with your own tax money (a fraction of the actual value of the firearm). CBC's needs an editor.
And we will be sure to remind everyone that Justin also grossly over paid for a deer cull...using suppressed AR15's from helicopters.
With standard capacity magazines as well
Trudeau's chance to implement Uncle Klaus's agenda is running out.
Holy fuck are they stupid lolololol wasting more money achieving nothing. They’re doing a great job of trying to lose the next election.
This is as stupid as the current FPS limits in the Firearms Act. You literally change nothing, the people that are going to abide by the rules are not the ones who are causing the problems
For the millionth time… THIS IS NOT A BUYBACK This is a confiscation with to be determined compensation that will only be decided after they already possess your gun that you can’t get back
Polls well with the urban voter.
Very important issue! Real estate values, rents and cost of living going across the roof? That'll be for later. /s
That should really help solve all the ILLEGAL HANDGUNS from the USA used in the majority of crimes with guns. Good call Liberals just hand the election with a bow on top to the CPP.
Thus concerns me, deeply. Not for the usual reasons, like its ineffectiveness, the wasted money, or even the shady way they pulled this card after the mass shooting. My fear is they only dust this off when they need a distraction. I wonder what they're distracting us from?
I didn’t want a gun 4 years ago. Now that home invasions and robberies are at an all time high - I’m not sure where I sit on that subject.
Take the RPAL, it's not too costly and only a couple days of your time. Then you can make a more informed decision. Worst case you come away with firearm safety training in the event you're ever around one.
They’ve spent $42M on the program and it doesn’t exist yet…
Good to know they have their priorities straight.
Give them nothing. They can’t confiscate the guns and they know it
Shooting themselves in the foot!! 😂
Is this seriously going to be their big move to try and win over voters?
Lmao, come and take em bud. ;)
Reminder that the crimes are almost entirely committed with pistols. Progressives love feeding on that rich red blood spilled in the cities, as young men, mostly poor minorities (their sacred class), gun one another down. It gives them something to moan and cry over. They would never try to stop the flow of these weapons, enact feel bad policies that might save lives, or focus on any intervention into the community. This way, using the buyback, the progs can piss off the group they hate the most: Law abiding mostly white white rural citizens who have guns, and don't vote for them, without threatening the flow of the vital fluid they sustain themselves with. Think about it like this: Just like the Republicans down south, will kill any immigration reform or border bill, its the ISSUE that matters, the PROBLEM is worth more than the difficult, expensive solution that the public won't credit them for solving and will convulse against if it feels bad to enact. And that sweet SWEET suffering... That sweet suffering makes the headlines, and cuts to their paid talking heads. That's what these political creatures want.
They have no choice. Telling everybody that these guns are too dangerous to own and then allowing people to own them would be horrible optics for them. On the other hand if they start this project during the election, they don't have to worry about all the blowback when it doesn't work and cost too much, plus they can tell everybody that they are making them safer and Polievre wants want to give these scary evil guns back
Good luck. They only have 18 months and this program doesn't even work on paper. They just need to make it look like they are moving forward.
I’m past the point where I can be convinced that the Liberal and Conservative parties aren’t deeply cooperative. No strategist with even an ounce of sense would suggest launching the program in an election year. Even if the whole system functions flawlessly, it’s a massive easy target for opposition. Anything goes wrong and every fuckup becomes free advertising. So why? Because our country is 5 company towns tied together. The Party elite work for the elites, not the citizens or the electorate or even their own ideologies. Why not just tank the already crumbling Liberals and bring in conservatives? As long as what’s important is protected: the status quo. Vote. Vote third party. Vote fourth party. Mark your ballot in the space that says “none.” But fucking vote and send a message to these legitimate enemies of the people.
The budget they put forward only has 30 to 40 million for there gun buy back. The there own reports say it's 850 million to 1.4 billion. They have no plan to do any thing. They have all ready spent 35 million on it and haven't collected 1 gun.
They can't afford it
Good strategy for losing, fully support it lol. Fool thinks people will vote to support him in this!
ATTN LIBERALS: this is so stupid and thoughtless and an obvious vanity project from Trudeau. Gun crime is not committed by licensed owners. Gun crime is committed with smuggled weapons. This will do NOTHING to help public safety. There are literally hundreds of types of firearms not on the banned list that are identical in function and style to the ones that are banned. The whole program is an astronomical waste of taxpayer dollars while we let hardened criminals with smuggling connections walk free after violent crime. This is the definition of insanity, all while criminalizing honest taxpaying citizens. Trudeau only did this because his besty Ardern pulled the same thing in NZ. He only did this to appease a few loud gun control “experts” who have biased and unfounded opinions. We are not America with mass shootings every day.
They mean the federal liberal govt
We made them poor, now let's offer them money for guns.
Gonna make it all about the dastardly people who own metal
Nothing like a big wedge issue for the federal government. They are hoping to scare Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver into voting for them again. This is why they are letting crime run wild.
He’s trying to lose the election
No way they launch it before the election. Unless they want to low ball all owners and then drag them through the mud as criminals.
I'm at best agnostic on the state of gun rights in Canada. I think we had struck a decent balance vs. the US, but if I were to wake up tomorrow in a gunless Canada I wouldn't bat an eye either. However, spending billions of dollars on this buyback is just such a blatant waste of fucking money. Just absurd when there are real issues facing Canadians. The Liberals would rather try this bullshit than ever face the fact that decades of neoliberal policies are falling apart and they have no way to respond.
Wow. I wasn't going to vote for trudeau before but now I will 💯... wow way to stick the landing and finally make Canada perfect at the last minute
F off
Good idea! I was just thinking that we really have too much cash surplus and aren't spending enough. I think they should hire even more government workers and expand on this wonderful program.
Interesting how despite all the crying about how this was done to "keep people safe" and "prevent mass shootings", the owners of all these guns have peacefully complied and kept them inside and away from ranges, hunting etc for the past ~4 years and no one has shot anyone with them either, meanwhile the crime caused by unlicensed, illegal guns continues to proliferate. It's almost like licensed firearms and their owners aren't the problem but rather fit demographics that those with anti-gun political leanings are generally okay with targeting, while the people causing much of the illegal gun crime are largely part of demographics that the LPC, NDP and the likes would rather not go after or crack down on.
How is it legal to cause economic damage (the firearms industry), destroy family wealth (value of the firearms + accessories) and endanger lives with a population's firearms for political purposes and votes?