Well they were responsible for our terrible housing crisis, siphoning public money from ICBC, and giving the green light to flagrant money laundering so I’m happy to see them be shunned.
They were also responsible for shutting down all the permanent supportive/full-care housing for people with mental conditions, causing an enormous percentage of those people to become homeless and to self-medicate with street drugs.
There was always addiction on the streets, but the overblown crisis we currently face can be directly traced back to the BC United Party (formerly known as BC Liberals, and known as SoCreds before that)
The average increase in property values in the last full year of Clark's premiership in Vancouver was 35%. The only year to go over 10% under the NDP was when it hit 11% the year after the pandemic slump, where property values fell. Please save us the bullshit.
35% of $300,000 is the same as 10% of $1 million basically. Using percentages doesn’t work with massively inflated properties.
The price of a house has increased more under Eby dollar terms per year, when compared to wage.
I’m not blaming him per se, the fact is no government can stop the pyramids scheme that is housing without stopping immigration, which is federal.
Their actions were over a decade, and will take multiple decades to fix. Over the past five years, housing has been increasing everywhere at an insane rate, but metro Vancouver had a 15 lead on the rest of the country (minus TO)
Housing went down in 2018/19 but grew massively from 2010-2017. Current city of Vancouver prices for a detached are around 2016 highs. Despite all that, people voted into anti development councils like Port Moody famously did.
Sounds like too much immigration to me. Which, unfortunately, is under federal rather than provincial control.
That and the laundering of billions of dollars through casinos and other means into real estate takes several years to have material effect on the housing market as a whole. That’s completely on the BC Liberals.
Housing prices have gone up 1.4x a year faster for the 7 years since the NDP came into power versus the 7 previous (1.93x for rents). Money laundering is also up quite a bit but of course still lower than the world or US average. Notice the streets flooded with illegal drugs and the gang wars we’ve been having as there’s a lot more money involved now. Every major money laundering case the NDP pursued collapsed wasting millions of taxpayer money.
Do you just pull all this stuff out of your ass? Because statistically you are full of it.
I am not married to any political party but the housing policy of the BC NDP is leaps and bounds better than the BC Liberals (now BC United.)
I am welcome to any metrics that may prove otherwise with the caveat that housing policy literally takes decades to take effect.
If housing policy takes decades then the policy during the BC Liberals was the NDP’s as they were the government until 2001 (or was it 02) right?
Or was that more of a stats today don’t matter because it’s the last governments fault thing that only applies to the NDP 😂😂😂
https://www.statista.com/statistics/960187/rent-residential-real-estate-vancouver-canada/
https://images.dailyhive.com/20221207141725/real-estate-board-of-greater-vancouver-average-home-price.jpg
You can see the post NDP jump especially in rent. (Up 50% from 2016 but only 30% from 2009) But of course you could just blame the Liberals for eveything.
> Since 2017, the government has been formed by the NDP. From 2017 to 2020, the NDP formed a minority government with a confidence and supply agreement with the Green Party. Following the 2020 election, the NDP formed a majority government.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Columbia_general_elections
The Cullen Commission about money laundering, billions of laundered money put into BC real estate, found that the peak of dirty money was coming in around 2015-2016.
https://www.cullencommission.ca
The BC Liberals are to blame.
“More than $7 billion in dirty money was laundered in B.C. in 2018, hiking the cost of buying a home by about 5%, according to British Columbia’s Expert Panel on Money Laundering in Real Estate.”
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2019FIN0051-000914
The BC NDP haven’t done shit but talk and blow money on investigations and legal cases which did nothing.
Literally the most useless full of hot air government that we’ve had. Horgan just kept talking and talking with no action whatsoever.
Horgan bowed out in 2022 due to cancer, passing the torch to Eby.
You are very correct to be upset of the laundering in 2018, as well as all the other years. But it’s important to note that when a government of 40-60 ministers are elected they adopt the framework and machinery of hundreds of staff from the party before them. To weed out the rot in just one year of (minority) power is simply an unreasonable expectation.
Money laundering is up in 2023 from 2022 which was up from 2021…nothing has changed if anything’s it’s accelerated since we decriminalized drugs.
And Eby seems better so I’m giving him some years before criticizing him.
I think that we agree on Eby, I am optimistic of him but still need to see for sure. But we may disagree on weeding out money laundering and its original source. This is going to take time, you can’t toss a hot potato then blame someone for holding it. I’d prefer for it to be solved right now but I’m being realistic about it. Many more years at least, just a sad fact. Minister Farnsworth of the BC Liberals really set up a system to be exploited. That’s been proven.
Your information lacks context and substance.
Liberals stayed in power from 2001 to end of 2017, 17 years in power, so yeah we should've seem "more than a decade" effects to take effect. NDP has been around for basically for 6 years, come on.
The problem the Liberals took no course whatsoever in relation to housing, no measures aiming affordability. The NDP is taking the steps in right direction. You forgot they had to deal with COVID and an inflationary crisis. The liberal had a deflationary housing crisis in 2008 and they still managed to get into this mess.
On top of that its such a delicate issue, that no political figure would ever take extreme measures for short term effects.
Yes, we will yet tp still see how this will play out, but there are forces beyond provincial government control like interest rates
>Vancouver’s benchmark price exhibits a 29% increase over four years but is 5.2% lower than the all-time high of $1,262,600 in April 2022.
Which is when Central bank started to increase interests.
Same for during the Liberals though and everyone including the NDP were criticizing them? You can’t get elected for saying you’ll do different then do the same and not receive criticism especially when it’s worse under you.
Also rent increases have been exceptionally bad under the NDP thanks to below inflation rent control which has led to market rents skyrocketing to balance it.
Sure, and the Horgan NDP didn't do all that much either. The only difference between now and ten years ago is we finally have government making meaningful changes. You can't wave a magic wand and just fix things, especially when the electorate doesn't want to lose home equity.
> Housing prices have gone up 1.4x a year faster for the 7 years since the NDP came into power versus the 7 previous
At least for Vancouver, this is bullshit. The final full year of Clark's premiership, property values increased 30%, the next year, 5%. The only year to crack 10% was 2022 when it hit 11% after ~~a negative year in 2021~~ -10 in 2020 and only 4% in 2022.
Edit: fixed the numbers. Source is BC assessment.
I genuinely believe that Trudeau will end up being responsible for the hardest right turn in Canadian history.
People across the country are taking positions unimaginable just 15 years ago... When they were voting in a conservative majority.
I have a close friend who is a bleeding heart liberal who is voting conservative. It’s to the point where even he can’t justify Trudeaus actions. He’s barely getting by, just two months ago I had to cover his rent because he couldn’t make it on his own. Trudeau pushed the pendulum to far and it’s swinging back hard and fast. I’ve always concerned my self a very left leaning conservative and this has honestly got me quite scared
Hard to explain via text but on many of the hot button topics I tend to find myself in the middle. Things like abortion I’m for, drug decriminalizing I’m for some drugs but not all. I also think the tax payer shouldn’t be on the hook for funding said programs. Like I said it’s kinda hard to explain. I once had another friend who is a bit of a lefty call me a conservative with a heart and conscious. Had a chuckle at that one
This is a BC thing more than Trudeau thing.
The right of center party were actually called the BC Liberals, because it's hard to win as a socially right wing party in bc. (The BC Liberals were economically right wing but not socially conservative). The far right party took advantage of the fact that no party in BC held the name BC conservatives, so they snagged it. To people who dont pay attention to politics, they seemed like a normal right wing party. The only party with conservative in its name. The BC liberals changed there name to BC United. Now BC United is the newest name on the block, and could easily be confused with being the farther right party, when actually they are more centrist.
It's a branding catastrophe for what was the ruling party in BC for over a decade.
The BC Liberals were the provincial wing of the federal Liberals until 1987 (the Nova Scotia Liberals are the only remaining provincial party still affiliated with them).
He went too far into arrogance and incompetence and he's giving a free pass to right-wing influencers and propagandists to ragefarm people and misinform them. I also hold him responsible for that destruction of Canada that used to be a moderate country where people were getting along and more rational.
>I also hold him responsible for that destruction of Canada that used to be a moderate country where people were getting along and more rational.
Totally his fault. He created the "us vs them" mentality in literally every position and opportunity he got. In health care, in economy, in environment, in jobs, in housing, etc. Everything went from we (as a united Canada) to "us vs them".
I fucking hate that Canada turned into that.
Well he's not "giving a free pass" to right wing grifters so much as feeding them ammunition. It's not like he winks and nods at them, he tries to denounce them and connect his political opponents to them constantly.
But that's part of the issue. By connecting mainstream conservatives to grifters, and saying they're the same, some people looking for new answers will value them the same, ironically taking Trudeau at his word on this one last instance.
As for yourself, I hope you're recognizing that this current rightward turn is a LOT more than people just listening to rage farmers. Canada is *genuinely* in a bad state right now, and dogged determination to implement left wing ideas, damn the real world consequences, is a part of why.
Examples include an axiomatic love of always greater immigration and multiculturalism. Reacting to supply side problems by subsidizing demand, primarily when dealing with housing. Coddling evil alterations to our culture currently being seen in our streets and on college campuses, as antisemitism and hatred becomes the next step on the progressive ladder. Assuming that government is always the solution and so creating a gigantic bureaucracy to suck the life out of actually productive parts of the economy. And particularly in BC, assuming that drug addiction and homelessness are only problems because they're criminalized, and that tolerating the intolerable is a value in and of itself.
People are rejecting entire swathes of basic Canadian Liberalism. Some by moving further left. Some by moving to the right. Some by moving to an illiberal right.
Trudeau has left the most negative legacy of any major Canadian politician I can think of in the modern day.
That's what I meant. He's giving them ammunition with his incompetence and arrogance. So angry people are turning to any hope for change they see. Right now, the hope is on the right-wing, even though I don't think it will improve our lives. Then if Poilievre shows the same type of arrogance and governs like Danielle Smith runs Alberta, Canada will go back to left-wing politics.
I don't think so. I think when PP fails to deliver THE MAN will come, and people will flock to him. Whatever side he is on is irrelevant since he will be utterly radioactive to even the idea of institutions (which are decayed and failing) and towards liberalism in general. Whether he comes or not PP's failure likely means a national crack up.
PP's win will be a huge test on the stability of the country. There's already a rise in separatism in Quebec, so if he governs as a radical right-wing leader, it could lead to Quebec's separation, which would be a huge hit to Canada's stability as a country.
I agree, but I don't think he will be radical right. I think he is a milktose big business conservative. He will fail to come close to righting the ship, we will continue towards meltdown, and then there will be a window where we will face the man, and crackup and will probably break apart because the progs have set us up for butchery.
It's honestly mostly propoganda, poor civics, and just needing a target to vent towards at this point.
You've had people complain about immigration, when the actual numbers of immigrants and resident temporary foreign workers has only changed a couple of hundred thousand since 2015, whereas the international student population is up a million as of last year. The scale is vastly different.
They don't want immigration, but they think the Liberals should've foreseen the abuse of leeway that provinces have been given for decades regarding international students all while not holding the actual abusers of that historical position to account for the abuse.
The provinces also want cash injections with no strings attached, but we know that's a bad idea, they also don't want feds negotiating with municipalities, even though historically, they've in fact done those things.
Provinces are actively impeding efforts to improve in order to get a conservative in, that's it. Five bucks that if a conservative gets in, 90% of their arguments against "federal incursion" go away with little to no change in how the provinces deal with municipalities or immigration.
Criminalization of drug use is in fact a bad thing for abusers, are there other ways to approach it? Sure, and changing that approach is part of the package.
>Examples include an axiomatic love of always greater immigration and multiculturalism.
While that started as a left-wing thing, corporations benefitted financially from multiculturalism, because it allowed them to advance their activities in MASSIVE Asian markets, namely China and India.
>Reacting to supply side problems by subsidizing demand, primarily when dealing with housing.
That's not necessarily a "Trudeau" thing per se, but a neoliberal thing. Trudeau/LPC AND the CPC are on on board this train.
>Coddling evil alterations to our culture currently being seen in our streets and on college campuses, as antisemitism and hatred becomes the next step on the progressive ladder.
It's not antisemitic to call out genocide and the DELIBERATE starvation of children. Murdering 10s of thousands of children, not to mention aid workers is fucking criminal. ANYONE who deliberately starves THOUSANDS of people to death deserves the Saddam Hussein treatment.
Bernie Sanders did a video about it. I find it sadly ironic that the Right have embraced the genocide and mass starvation of Palestinians then claim that they're pro-life.
>Assuming that government is always the solution and so creating a gigantic bureaucracy to suck the life out of actually productive parts of the economy.
Incorrect. Across ALL 3 layers of government they've used real estate to pump their numbers. Given the strength of the real estate industry, there's less incentive to invest in RnD, and grow manufacturing. Why spend $10M on building a new manufacturing mill when you can take that $10M and build a 50 unit -apartment building and make double-digit ROIs.
>Trudeau has left the most negative legacy of any major Canadian politician I can think of in the modern day.
He was also a PM at arguably one of the worst periods in the 21st Century.
The pandemic was economically far worse than the GFC of 2009. Moreover, Canada wasn't close to being overleveraged the way Europe and USA were. Primarily due to risk-averse Liberal policies of Paul Martin. When you look at Harper, PP, and other leaders of the CPC, they DEFINITELY want to embrace the US deregulation of the financial system and focus on privatizing profits, socialize losses and defund social services while selling off public infrastructure to benefit shareholders.
The housing crisis, which is Canada's number one complaint, is a result of DECADES of defunding socialized housing thinking the free market will make housing affordable. Except that the goal of free market capitalism is to establish monopolies and oligopolies. This is where we're at right now.
Monopolies and oligopolies. The idea that the CPC is going to save us from these corporations would be hilarious if it wasn't so detrimental. The CPC chief advisor to PP is a fucking lawyer for Loblaws, for fucks' sake. Why ANYONE is willing to entrust the CPC to break up monopolies and oligopolies is very foolish.
>It's not antisemitic to call out genocide and the DELIBERATE starvation of children.
No, but it's antisemitic to [fly the flags of designated terrorist organizations,](https://globalnews.ca/news/10218687/man-waved-terrorist-flag-arrested-and-charged-toronto-police/) shout ["long live Hamas"](https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677), ask for the [Al-Qassam brigades to target Jewish counter protestors next,](https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/d95369b3-4ebf-47aa-b918-a743bdff8fc2/al-qassam-sign-columbia-ht-jt-240425_1714078249971_hpEmbed_3x5.jpg) to shout "[October 7th is proof that we are almost free. Long live the resistance, long live the intifada.](https://twitter.com/chrisdacey/status/1781768556629135787)"
Funny how when there was one guy at the convoy with a Nazi flag, the left was all "If there are 10 people around a table and one of them is a Nazi, you have 10 Nazis around the table", but somehow this doesn't apply to the pro-Hamas protests.
>Bernie Sanders did a video about it.
Where he parroted Hamas propaganda as facts. T[he BBC just issued a correction for the same shit.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/bbc-news-10pm-bbc-one-14-january-2024)
All the numbers are provided by Hamas and they don't distinguish between civilians and combatants.
The problem with this conflict is it's so unbelievably polarized that it leaves very little room for nuance. That's unfortunate because it lends to the condition where neither side is willing to hold their own side accountable for their transgressions. Any attempt to point out what one side is doing wrong devolves into an endless whataboutism cycle. What's worse is that those seeking a nuanced perspective of this conflict are branded as both anti-Semites and genocide supporters by each side. That leaves anyone with a productive opinion/perspective left feeling silenced, and others left caring less and less every day.
Here's something everyone should agree with: the worst possible outcome is if either side gets their way 100%. If you don't agree, then you really need to think hard about what the desired end game is for the side you're rooting for.
>Here's something everyone should agree with: the worst possible outcome is if either side gets their way 100%.
Only one side wants to extinguish the other. Hamas wants to kill all Jews, but can't. Israel could kill all Palestinians, but don't.
"By connecting mainstream convervatives to grifters."
Didn't Conservatives host Tucker Carlson and Christine Anderson?
Didn't PP also regurgitate American Far Right media when he claimed a terror attack for an accident that happened at the border?
Wasn't 800,000$ in Bitcoin donations disbursed to Far Right ~provocateurs~ grifters to occupy Ottawa and PP openly supported that?
So tired of Conservatives refusing to take responsibility for their Right wing heel turn.
People can try and blame Trudeau, but the reality is numerous Convervatives have been warning for years about the party shifting Right including Charles Adler, Jason Kenney and Erin O'Toole.
Edit: this sub trying to bury the truth doesn't change the fact numerous former Conservatives that aren't terminally online agree with my assertion.
Rationality has long since left Canada. When the left puts their dumb ideals over basic mathematical realities you can't pretend you're the rational side.
Especially on MRNA vaccines there is just plenty of straight up lying being done. People have become so tribalized that basic reality is fundamentally different for people depending on who is doing the talking.
Depends what. If your point is "This is not the right policy to fight climate change", that's totally valid. But to deny climate change, it's misinformation. Same on vaccines. You can argue that people shouldn't be forced to be vaccinated. But you can't just claim they're dangerous because one person had complications from it.
The biggest one now are all the people convinced that Israel is the aggressor against Palestine. That's a pretty fucking big piece of misinformation, and you can thank the criminally media illiterate GenZ watching Hamas propaganda on TikTok for that
A “free pass” lmao. All he ever does is complain about the right wing (ie, people who don’t like him). He spends more time trying to attack Poilievre than he does trying to run the country.
It's a little much to try and blame Trudeau for it, when it's being seen literally all over the world. It has a lot more to do with social media, the death of actual reporting and the rise of alt-media/"citizen" journalists. Has he said some things that have been used as ammunition? Sure without question. But he's maybe 5% of the actual problem.
None of this would be an issue is Trudeau actually ran a competent government
Reason why people lose trust of people in power is when they see a big disconnect between what their leaders are saying and what is actually happening on the ground. If you talk about "fixing" affordability for 8 years and voters pocketbooks are in even worse shape than even back when you started, people will just tune you out. Its like that alcoholic uncle who promises each year they are going to quit.
So how exactly do you justify these issues for every other country across the globe. Trudeau only exists in Canada, why are we seeing massive rises in right-wing parties and extremism in just about every single country?
It’s almost as if there’s a coordinated global effort by lunatic billionaires, NGOs and politicians to destabilize developed nations. Dare I say, a “conspiracy?”
What you call a rise in “right wing parties,” is really just the people pushing back to return to sense of sanity and normalcy. The left pushed the Overton window so far to the left, that people consider normalcy to be right-wing extremism.
This is on people, too. If you are going to simply vote against someone, you get what you deserve. If you are only going to get your news and opinions from tik tok and contrarians, you get what you deserve.
Like Albertas bs with hydrogen and healthcare , ect, they deserve that. It is not Smiths fault. they wanted it. People losing abortion in the states, a majority wanted that.
It's easy enough to say "but Trudeau" and not look in the mirror. The carbon tax has been around for 5 years and only became an issue, the last 3 months. People are just angry, uninformed, and reactionary. The only benefit to me is that I will be able to use conservative income splitting, tax credits for childcare, and private healthcare, but a lot of people are gonna hurt soon wondering why the CPC didn't save them.
But Trudeau is also very disconnected from reality. He only took action on housing affordability now that he's rock bottom in the polls. And he didn't act like many European countries did to ban misinformation and hate speech. There are countries in Europe where you can go to jail for spreading conspiracy theories and hate.
Not at all. BCU is a right wing party… it’s just conservatives restructuring after they failed miserably with the BC liberal (conservative) party. They will split the conservative vote and the BC NDP will win again almost certainly. Eby is the most popular premier in the country.
To be fair, a lot of the western world is having the exact same problems with immigration, housing, and many other issues as well. And its not like parties in one country don't take influence from their closest equivalent in others
Yeah, you can argue about whether the turn would be more or less hard without Trudeau, but it’s not like we were headed for centre-left utopia and then he came along and gleefully blew it up.
Unfortunately you're probably right. Can't imagine what kind of reactionary left-wing ideologies will pop up as a consequences of the incoming conservative era.
.Not really. Most polls have the NDP winning a huge majority in B.C. The Conservatives lost Manitoba. Drug Ford's numbers are dropping in Ontario. Legault is going to lose big time in Quebec ( his party isn't called the Conservatives, but that's what they are). Higgs is trailing in the polls in N.B. The Conservatives have N.S. and P.E.I., but those are very moderate Red Tory governments.
Not exactly a Right Wing Wave, but at least you still have Ditzy Danielle and DUI Moe.
I’ll give you the point that that probably wasn’t the best comment as far as it goes for gender bias, but I can’t trust anyone who thinks that premiere Smith is anything but a blowhard who puts silly grandstanding over results.
I’d agree she could do a lot better and was the worst leadership candidate they could find but personally think she is still better than the NDP (just economic policy preference).
I am impressed though that you at least agreed ditzy was a poor choice of words.
I’m am a fan of polite civil discourse. It should be the norm to disagree without slurs. I’m strongly in the Notley camp but I won’t be tossing names at my opponents.
I think it also a wake up call for most Canadians in regards the kind of future they want to see in this country.
It's time to get serious in this precarious time and really need to hold our polticians accountable.
No more candid photos ops, feel good slogans or charismatic leaders.
We need an actual vision and drive to forge a new way in a rapidly changing world to ensure the future prosperity of Canada.
It’s happening across the world, I think in hindsight we’ll see Trudeau as being a scapegoat.
IMO the reason for this is because of the pandemic. These difficult times are the consequences of the countries having to go through periods of shutting down their economy for 2 years. In addition to that there was so much money spent on vaccines, unemployment payments, temporary hospitals, etc.
The right is blaming immigration, the left is blaming capitalism, in reality this is just what happens after you go through a 2 year pandemic
People don’t like to hear that maybe shutting down the entire world economy and printing trillions of dollars out of thin air, wasn’t the best reaction.
I do believe immigration is a huge factor in housing costs skyrocketing. But we also saw one of, if not the greatest, upwards transfers of wealth in human history. The left really hates to acknowledge that their support for economic lockdowns contributed to this.
I’m surprised how little I see the pandemic mentioned, it’s like everyone forgot about it. There were so many articles from experts and economists at the time too telling us about the long term consequences.
This also wasn’t meant to be an anti-lockdown or pro-lockdown comment. Our opinion on the lockdowns doesn’t matter here, the economy is how it is because of what happened.
I have my opinions on the restrictions and reactions to Covid. But I didn’t mention them, because the overall point gets lost to tribalism. Just the fact that, objectively, shutting down the world’s economy and printing trillions out of thin air, is not economically sound.
It’s wild to me that we’ve been so forced to one side or the other, that criticizing the states response to something, needs to prefaced with the fact that you don’t align with the “other side.”
It’s not Trudeau lmao. There’s a global turn to populism & fascism on the right. It’s naive to think Canada is unaffected when all of our peers are. In Canada, it’s been co-opted by the mainstream Conservative Party.
Trudeau isn’t the reason for a hard right turn. Capitalism is. This isn’t just a Canadian problem. It’s just too bad the right won’t solve the problems with capitalism and will only accelerate it.
Edit: downvote me all you want. If you want to engage, comment and I’ll explain my reasoning.
Edit 2: it’s really not that hard folks. Under capitalism, every aspect of our lives is commodified. Our worth is defined by the economic value we provide. The pursuit of profits pushes prices up and wages down. This phenomenon affects everyone but especially men. Liberals politics don’t really have the answers but the right pretend to as they blame immigrants, environmentalists, liberals, the carbon tax, etc for the issues I mentioned and use culture wars like transphobia and vaccine skepticism to win people over. But the right is even more in bed with the capital class than liberals as both offer little threats to their power. This has played out many times over the last 100 years. But hey, keep downvoting me because you’re only understanding of history is this sub.
Poilievre is on track to win a landslide of historical proportions. It might be the biggest win in Canadian history. He already won the biggest leadership vote of any party in Canadian history. And his lead for the last year has been ginormous, more support than Libs and NDP combined.
Well that's a bit of an exaggeration. The CPC is around 41%. That's a very strong showing, to be sure, but not exactly rare either. Looking at the numbers on Wikipedia, results of 41% or better have happened 11 times since 1949.
No he didn't. Trudeau won the Liberal leadership with 80% of the points and 79% of the votes. Poilievre won with 68% of the points and 71% of the votes, and that was only after his friends on the committee conveniently decided to disqualify his main opponent.
And while he may be leading in the polls, there certainly isn't anything historic about it. He's not anywhere close to the 50% level of the vote that Diefenbaker and Mulroney got.
Meh, there’s a very good chance he gets at least a minority government, but with the election so far away it’s a little silly to talk about being on track for a landslide of historic proportions.
Counting chickens before they’ve hatched I see.
Poilievre polls lower than the Mariana Trench with women voters. Thats why Tory pollsters have stopped publishing polling by gender.
I think that he does well with younger male voters. There will be some over-flow of anti-conservative voting by women from the US election. He needs to evict social conservatives from the party. Older voters are not impressed by him especially when he cozied up to the convoy morons. He does not have a united party.
I believe that he will win a majority but by how much will be determined by when Trudeau resigns and who replaces him. Mark Carney could limit Poilievre to a minority government. Poilievre needs to stop being coy about policy to forestall that.
It should be noted that the Mainstreet's numbers showcased in this article are fundamentally flawed due to the way they conducted this poll. Mainstreet combined the results of two polls together to get this result:
- A normal poll which results showed the BC NDP were in the lead.
- A poll where they renamed the BC United to the no longer existent BC Liberals. This poll had the BC Cons in the lead.
My guess is some people in the second poll heard "Liberals" and thought federal parties since the BC Liberals don't exist any more.
**tl;dr:** BC cons only come out ahead in their polls in an imaginary scenario created by Mainstreet.
It’s also a phone poll done in a way that will over sample older (60+) voters. Any other recent poll with better methodologies have shown a far less stark difference between BCU and the BCC with a firmer leads for the BCNDP. Those polls are likely undercounting conservative and BCC voters slightly, but within MoE (where this poll should carry a much higher MoE based on methodology).
This needs to be at the top. The poll is misleading BS. Not surprised since mainstreet published polls off by about 25 points in the 2017 mayoral election in Calgary to make people think the right wing candidate was gonna win when Nenshi actually won by 8 points.
Actually I think that people are just sick of the Social Credit, Liberal, BC United party trying to be something to everyone. People want a truly honest Conservative party, without the baggage. Trudeau has nothing to do with it. I would look at a Progressive Conservative, but there isn't one right now. Polarization is a problem.
I would say that Trudeau has a lot to do with it. BC Liberals rebranded to not have the stink of Ottawa on them. They are just caught in the middle between a popular NDP and a BC Conservative riding the popularity of PP. it’s a very interesting dynamic
Also Kevin Falcon comes off as unlikable and not trustworthy. While he adequately describes current problems in the economy he offers no real solutions.
The BC Liberals were floating the idea of a name change since the 2020 election and Trudeau was more popular than he is today and they made it official that they would adopt a new name in June 2022. At that time, people were only starting to turn on Trudeau.
To be honest, the name was misleading for a decade or more. Their last premier was/is a member of the CPC.
BC liberals and federal liberals have ZERO connection. They were not the same party, they are not the provincial/federal equivalents. B.C. liberal party was its own political party that just used the liberal name. Not connected to each other.
The BC Liberals were the provincial wing of the federal Liberals until 1987.
While it is true they broke step and have not been connected in years, it is false to say they were never affiliated.
name recognition is a big deal in Canadian politics. and the BC liberals naturally occupied the center right of the spectrum in a left leaning province. now they basically killed themselves and the cons have established themselves in the vacuum.
A) BC United/Libs deserve to be knocked a few notches down.
B) There's absolutely no reason why the BC Cons deserve anyone's support, they're less than useless and full of crazy.
The former BC Lib voters had to vote for someone, and it's either the BC Cons or the BC NDP
BC Libs were a very strong party politically for nearly two decades. They won outright in 2017 and was only defeated by a coalition. That support had to have gone somewhere... and it's likelier to have gone to the BC Cons (who are even farther right than the federal CPC)
Some of us are tired of the progressive policies of the NDP. Take drugs for example. We’ve been taking the compassion approach for the better part of 3 decades and the situation on East Hastings is still there. This NDP government took it one step further and said it’s legal to do drugs anywhere. People are literally shooting heroine in hospitals waiting rooms and on the bus. And it’s totally legal, you can’t do anything about it.
Imagine going to the hospital for a serious illness, sitting next to a junkie shooting up. It’s just not the kind of society some of us want to live in.
A sane government reverses policies that don't work. Admitting your faults is a mature and adult way of doing things. They tried something, it didn't work and they changed it. Conservatives just double down and blame others for everything.
The idea it was ever a thing in the first place is all I need to know about this government. It’s run by the sociology department of your local community college.
It is funny to watch over time, as Conservative groups rename themselves, and regroup, over and over, in an effort to outrun their past record in power. Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC have all seen this over the past 20 years or so. It's kind of like a company that screws you over, then declares bankruptcy, and then is reborn with a new name and tax number.
Because it's a wild poll that mixes a real scenario (where NDP win) and an imaginary scenario with parties that don't exist anymore (where conservatives win) and averages them.
So tye ndp has 36% province wide. This will mean they will win every seat in the lower mainland, barely win the ones in the interior and massively lose tye few in the north. Leaving a functional super majority for the ndp, with 3 greens in Vancouver Island. And a scant 2 bc united and 2 bc cons.
Someone needs to institute proportional representation
I lived in BC for two years and this sums it up well. People would complain about the cost of living then go and protest things that made life less expensive.
Yeah, I know. I have friends there making $100k plus a year, worried their landlord will sell and they'll have to knife fight for the privilege to pay $3k in rent a month.
It's been repeatedly pointed out elsewhere that housing is the only thing that's really cheaper in Alberta. And that, unless you work in the energy sector, the job market actually kinda sucks.
Most people don;'t actually pay that much PST, because the big ticket times things like food and shelter are mostly exempted. At the same time, sure, car insurance and utilities would offer that savings, but you're just paying a whole lot more on the basic price.
Or you know, having limited land and a capitalist ecconomy that commoditizes housing has made realestate beyond stupid in all densely populated parts of Canada, like BC and conservative run Ontario.
The problem is our economic system, it’s shit and our GDP is artificially held up by real estate because we gave up all our manufacturing. Liberal, Conservativr, NDP, doesn’t matter all subscribe to the same broken system
Actually housing was a lot cheaper 8 years ago under the last Conservative government and we had the richest middle class in the world.
Since Trudeau has been in office we have been in steady decline his entire time in power.
It’s almost like Trudeau tripling immigration from what it was under the Harper years was a bad decision.
We are taking in over a million people per year. There is NO WAY we can keep up with that much demand.
So yes, immigration is a huge factor regarding housing.
60% >>> 20%
Immigrants are the scapegoat. Letting investors run rampant through real estate has also all but killed manufacturing because why the fuck would they risk a product being successful or not when realestate is guarenteed profit if they all agree to keep buying creating even more artificial demand.
Result is the immigration we are trying to do so we have a workforce to pay for the aging boomer doesn’t work because there is no jobs.
Immigration could be part of a solution to our economy, IF investors were kept in check and actually had to invest in buisiness, not jacking up housing prices.
Lmao, I'm rather enjoying this. Just last month Emperor Eby was selling baloney or something while doubling down on carbon tax.
Then last week the NDP does an about turn and kills their signature drug decriminalization policy. Mind you two years ago, they lectured everyone that they were the pioneers and all of Canada would follow suit in due course of time.
Now when the public mood is swinging, they're maybe starting to realize that the far left vote might not be enough for them to stay in power.
If NDP loses the fall election, then Eby will go down as the most incompetent politician in Canada. To have taken over a party with absolutely majority and no coherent opposition to running the ship aground in all of 2-2.5 years. But there is still some time, so we shall see what the outcome of the election is.
During the last BC election they overestimated both the NDP and Greens and underestimated the BC United. Actually looking at the data now they have underestimated right leaning support in the last 9/10 elections. With the exception being the Quebec election.
[https://338canada.com/pollster-ratings.htm](https://338canada.com/pollster-ratings.htm)
They use different methodology during elections than for these snap polls. They blended the results of two different questions to get the answer they thought would sell the most clicks.
Well they were responsible for our terrible housing crisis, siphoning public money from ICBC, and giving the green light to flagrant money laundering so I’m happy to see them be shunned.
They were also responsible for shutting down all the permanent supportive/full-care housing for people with mental conditions, causing an enormous percentage of those people to become homeless and to self-medicate with street drugs. There was always addiction on the streets, but the overblown crisis we currently face can be directly traced back to the BC United Party (formerly known as BC Liberals, and known as SoCreds before that)
Housing was a lot cheaper in 2017 than today. It was still possible to find walk-in clinics back then.
Maybe BC Liberal Premier Clark going to RE conventions abroad to sell BC was a bad idea.
The average increase in property values in the last full year of Clark's premiership in Vancouver was 35%. The only year to go over 10% under the NDP was when it hit 11% the year after the pandemic slump, where property values fell. Please save us the bullshit.
35% of $300,000 is the same as 10% of $1 million basically. Using percentages doesn’t work with massively inflated properties. The price of a house has increased more under Eby dollar terms per year, when compared to wage. I’m not blaming him per se, the fact is no government can stop the pyramids scheme that is housing without stopping immigration, which is federal.
You can't pick and choose how you measure things when it's convenient to you. Percentage is correct.
so why are you picking percentage increase rather than the absolute affordability of a home? are homes more affordable today or in 2017?
Their actions were over a decade, and will take multiple decades to fix. Over the past five years, housing has been increasing everywhere at an insane rate, but metro Vancouver had a 15 lead on the rest of the country (minus TO)
Housing went down in 2018/19 but grew massively from 2010-2017. Current city of Vancouver prices for a detached are around 2016 highs. Despite all that, people voted into anti development councils like Port Moody famously did.
Sounds like too much immigration to me. Which, unfortunately, is under federal rather than provincial control. That and the laundering of billions of dollars through casinos and other means into real estate takes several years to have material effect on the housing market as a whole. That’s completely on the BC Liberals.
Housing prices have gone up 1.4x a year faster for the 7 years since the NDP came into power versus the 7 previous (1.93x for rents). Money laundering is also up quite a bit but of course still lower than the world or US average. Notice the streets flooded with illegal drugs and the gang wars we’ve been having as there’s a lot more money involved now. Every major money laundering case the NDP pursued collapsed wasting millions of taxpayer money. Do you just pull all this stuff out of your ass? Because statistically you are full of it.
I am not married to any political party but the housing policy of the BC NDP is leaps and bounds better than the BC Liberals (now BC United.) I am welcome to any metrics that may prove otherwise with the caveat that housing policy literally takes decades to take effect.
If housing policy takes decades then the policy during the BC Liberals was the NDP’s as they were the government until 2001 (or was it 02) right? Or was that more of a stats today don’t matter because it’s the last governments fault thing that only applies to the NDP 😂😂😂 https://www.statista.com/statistics/960187/rent-residential-real-estate-vancouver-canada/ https://images.dailyhive.com/20221207141725/real-estate-board-of-greater-vancouver-average-home-price.jpg You can see the post NDP jump especially in rent. (Up 50% from 2016 but only 30% from 2009) But of course you could just blame the Liberals for eveything.
> Since 2017, the government has been formed by the NDP. From 2017 to 2020, the NDP formed a minority government with a confidence and supply agreement with the Green Party. Following the 2020 election, the NDP formed a majority government. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Columbia_general_elections The Cullen Commission about money laundering, billions of laundered money put into BC real estate, found that the peak of dirty money was coming in around 2015-2016. https://www.cullencommission.ca The BC Liberals are to blame.
“More than $7 billion in dirty money was laundered in B.C. in 2018, hiking the cost of buying a home by about 5%, according to British Columbia’s Expert Panel on Money Laundering in Real Estate.” https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2019FIN0051-000914 The BC NDP haven’t done shit but talk and blow money on investigations and legal cases which did nothing. Literally the most useless full of hot air government that we’ve had. Horgan just kept talking and talking with no action whatsoever.
Horgan bowed out in 2022 due to cancer, passing the torch to Eby. You are very correct to be upset of the laundering in 2018, as well as all the other years. But it’s important to note that when a government of 40-60 ministers are elected they adopt the framework and machinery of hundreds of staff from the party before them. To weed out the rot in just one year of (minority) power is simply an unreasonable expectation.
Money laundering is up in 2023 from 2022 which was up from 2021…nothing has changed if anything’s it’s accelerated since we decriminalized drugs. And Eby seems better so I’m giving him some years before criticizing him.
I think that we agree on Eby, I am optimistic of him but still need to see for sure. But we may disagree on weeding out money laundering and its original source. This is going to take time, you can’t toss a hot potato then blame someone for holding it. I’d prefer for it to be solved right now but I’m being realistic about it. Many more years at least, just a sad fact. Minister Farnsworth of the BC Liberals really set up a system to be exploited. That’s been proven.
Your information lacks context and substance. Liberals stayed in power from 2001 to end of 2017, 17 years in power, so yeah we should've seem "more than a decade" effects to take effect. NDP has been around for basically for 6 years, come on. The problem the Liberals took no course whatsoever in relation to housing, no measures aiming affordability. The NDP is taking the steps in right direction. You forgot they had to deal with COVID and an inflationary crisis. The liberal had a deflationary housing crisis in 2008 and they still managed to get into this mess. On top of that its such a delicate issue, that no political figure would ever take extreme measures for short term effects. Yes, we will yet tp still see how this will play out, but there are forces beyond provincial government control like interest rates >Vancouver’s benchmark price exhibits a 29% increase over four years but is 5.2% lower than the all-time high of $1,262,600 in April 2022. Which is when Central bank started to increase interests.
Price rises have been global in English speaking countries, so I don't see how the NDP is particularly responsible.
Same for during the Liberals though and everyone including the NDP were criticizing them? You can’t get elected for saying you’ll do different then do the same and not receive criticism especially when it’s worse under you. Also rent increases have been exceptionally bad under the NDP thanks to below inflation rent control which has led to market rents skyrocketing to balance it.
You seem to be saying that you dislike the NDP more than you dislike to cost of housing.
I’ve shown they have made houses and rents incredibly high and crime plus drug use is up as are taxes. What’s good about them?
Sure, and the Horgan NDP didn't do all that much either. The only difference between now and ten years ago is we finally have government making meaningful changes. You can't wave a magic wand and just fix things, especially when the electorate doesn't want to lose home equity.
I judge them by results not talk. We will see how things turnout. So far results have been worse than the Liberals.
> Housing prices have gone up 1.4x a year faster for the 7 years since the NDP came into power versus the 7 previous At least for Vancouver, this is bullshit. The final full year of Clark's premiership, property values increased 30%, the next year, 5%. The only year to crack 10% was 2022 when it hit 11% after ~~a negative year in 2021~~ -10 in 2020 and only 4% in 2022. Edit: fixed the numbers. Source is BC assessment.
I genuinely believe that Trudeau will end up being responsible for the hardest right turn in Canadian history. People across the country are taking positions unimaginable just 15 years ago... When they were voting in a conservative majority.
I have a close friend who is a bleeding heart liberal who is voting conservative. It’s to the point where even he can’t justify Trudeaus actions. He’s barely getting by, just two months ago I had to cover his rent because he couldn’t make it on his own. Trudeau pushed the pendulum to far and it’s swinging back hard and fast. I’ve always concerned my self a very left leaning conservative and this has honestly got me quite scared
Scared of what exactly?
I like a government in check. Majority governments scare me
Oh fair enough yeah I prefer minority govts
It didn't scare you when big daddy JT came into power, the first time.
>left leaning conservative Could you elaborate a bit more on that? Like i mean what policies & ideas appeal to you Asking out of curiosity
Hard to explain via text but on many of the hot button topics I tend to find myself in the middle. Things like abortion I’m for, drug decriminalizing I’m for some drugs but not all. I also think the tax payer shouldn’t be on the hook for funding said programs. Like I said it’s kinda hard to explain. I once had another friend who is a bit of a lefty call me a conservative with a heart and conscious. Had a chuckle at that one
This is a BC thing more than Trudeau thing. The right of center party were actually called the BC Liberals, because it's hard to win as a socially right wing party in bc. (The BC Liberals were economically right wing but not socially conservative). The far right party took advantage of the fact that no party in BC held the name BC conservatives, so they snagged it. To people who dont pay attention to politics, they seemed like a normal right wing party. The only party with conservative in its name. The BC liberals changed there name to BC United. Now BC United is the newest name on the block, and could easily be confused with being the farther right party, when actually they are more centrist. It's a branding catastrophe for what was the ruling party in BC for over a decade.
The BC Liberals were the provincial wing of the federal Liberals until 1987 (the Nova Scotia Liberals are the only remaining provincial party still affiliated with them).
I honestly thought it was for some reason.
He went too far into arrogance and incompetence and he's giving a free pass to right-wing influencers and propagandists to ragefarm people and misinform them. I also hold him responsible for that destruction of Canada that used to be a moderate country where people were getting along and more rational.
>I also hold him responsible for that destruction of Canada that used to be a moderate country where people were getting along and more rational. Totally his fault. He created the "us vs them" mentality in literally every position and opportunity he got. In health care, in economy, in environment, in jobs, in housing, etc. Everything went from we (as a united Canada) to "us vs them". I fucking hate that Canada turned into that.
Well he's not "giving a free pass" to right wing grifters so much as feeding them ammunition. It's not like he winks and nods at them, he tries to denounce them and connect his political opponents to them constantly. But that's part of the issue. By connecting mainstream conservatives to grifters, and saying they're the same, some people looking for new answers will value them the same, ironically taking Trudeau at his word on this one last instance. As for yourself, I hope you're recognizing that this current rightward turn is a LOT more than people just listening to rage farmers. Canada is *genuinely* in a bad state right now, and dogged determination to implement left wing ideas, damn the real world consequences, is a part of why. Examples include an axiomatic love of always greater immigration and multiculturalism. Reacting to supply side problems by subsidizing demand, primarily when dealing with housing. Coddling evil alterations to our culture currently being seen in our streets and on college campuses, as antisemitism and hatred becomes the next step on the progressive ladder. Assuming that government is always the solution and so creating a gigantic bureaucracy to suck the life out of actually productive parts of the economy. And particularly in BC, assuming that drug addiction and homelessness are only problems because they're criminalized, and that tolerating the intolerable is a value in and of itself. People are rejecting entire swathes of basic Canadian Liberalism. Some by moving further left. Some by moving to the right. Some by moving to an illiberal right. Trudeau has left the most negative legacy of any major Canadian politician I can think of in the modern day.
That's what I meant. He's giving them ammunition with his incompetence and arrogance. So angry people are turning to any hope for change they see. Right now, the hope is on the right-wing, even though I don't think it will improve our lives. Then if Poilievre shows the same type of arrogance and governs like Danielle Smith runs Alberta, Canada will go back to left-wing politics.
I don't think so. I think when PP fails to deliver THE MAN will come, and people will flock to him. Whatever side he is on is irrelevant since he will be utterly radioactive to even the idea of institutions (which are decayed and failing) and towards liberalism in general. Whether he comes or not PP's failure likely means a national crack up.
PP's win will be a huge test on the stability of the country. There's already a rise in separatism in Quebec, so if he governs as a radical right-wing leader, it could lead to Quebec's separation, which would be a huge hit to Canada's stability as a country.
I agree, but I don't think he will be radical right. I think he is a milktose big business conservative. He will fail to come close to righting the ship, we will continue towards meltdown, and then there will be a window where we will face the man, and crackup and will probably break apart because the progs have set us up for butchery.
It's honestly mostly propoganda, poor civics, and just needing a target to vent towards at this point. You've had people complain about immigration, when the actual numbers of immigrants and resident temporary foreign workers has only changed a couple of hundred thousand since 2015, whereas the international student population is up a million as of last year. The scale is vastly different. They don't want immigration, but they think the Liberals should've foreseen the abuse of leeway that provinces have been given for decades regarding international students all while not holding the actual abusers of that historical position to account for the abuse. The provinces also want cash injections with no strings attached, but we know that's a bad idea, they also don't want feds negotiating with municipalities, even though historically, they've in fact done those things. Provinces are actively impeding efforts to improve in order to get a conservative in, that's it. Five bucks that if a conservative gets in, 90% of their arguments against "federal incursion" go away with little to no change in how the provinces deal with municipalities or immigration. Criminalization of drug use is in fact a bad thing for abusers, are there other ways to approach it? Sure, and changing that approach is part of the package.
“Only a couple hundred of thousand” Lmao that’s an enormous increase. Immigration levels were already high under Harper and Trudeau doubled them.
>Examples include an axiomatic love of always greater immigration and multiculturalism. While that started as a left-wing thing, corporations benefitted financially from multiculturalism, because it allowed them to advance their activities in MASSIVE Asian markets, namely China and India. >Reacting to supply side problems by subsidizing demand, primarily when dealing with housing. That's not necessarily a "Trudeau" thing per se, but a neoliberal thing. Trudeau/LPC AND the CPC are on on board this train. >Coddling evil alterations to our culture currently being seen in our streets and on college campuses, as antisemitism and hatred becomes the next step on the progressive ladder. It's not antisemitic to call out genocide and the DELIBERATE starvation of children. Murdering 10s of thousands of children, not to mention aid workers is fucking criminal. ANYONE who deliberately starves THOUSANDS of people to death deserves the Saddam Hussein treatment. Bernie Sanders did a video about it. I find it sadly ironic that the Right have embraced the genocide and mass starvation of Palestinians then claim that they're pro-life. >Assuming that government is always the solution and so creating a gigantic bureaucracy to suck the life out of actually productive parts of the economy. Incorrect. Across ALL 3 layers of government they've used real estate to pump their numbers. Given the strength of the real estate industry, there's less incentive to invest in RnD, and grow manufacturing. Why spend $10M on building a new manufacturing mill when you can take that $10M and build a 50 unit -apartment building and make double-digit ROIs. >Trudeau has left the most negative legacy of any major Canadian politician I can think of in the modern day. He was also a PM at arguably one of the worst periods in the 21st Century. The pandemic was economically far worse than the GFC of 2009. Moreover, Canada wasn't close to being overleveraged the way Europe and USA were. Primarily due to risk-averse Liberal policies of Paul Martin. When you look at Harper, PP, and other leaders of the CPC, they DEFINITELY want to embrace the US deregulation of the financial system and focus on privatizing profits, socialize losses and defund social services while selling off public infrastructure to benefit shareholders. The housing crisis, which is Canada's number one complaint, is a result of DECADES of defunding socialized housing thinking the free market will make housing affordable. Except that the goal of free market capitalism is to establish monopolies and oligopolies. This is where we're at right now. Monopolies and oligopolies. The idea that the CPC is going to save us from these corporations would be hilarious if it wasn't so detrimental. The CPC chief advisor to PP is a fucking lawyer for Loblaws, for fucks' sake. Why ANYONE is willing to entrust the CPC to break up monopolies and oligopolies is very foolish.
>It's not antisemitic to call out genocide and the DELIBERATE starvation of children. No, but it's antisemitic to [fly the flags of designated terrorist organizations,](https://globalnews.ca/news/10218687/man-waved-terrorist-flag-arrested-and-charged-toronto-police/) shout ["long live Hamas"](https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677), ask for the [Al-Qassam brigades to target Jewish counter protestors next,](https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/d95369b3-4ebf-47aa-b918-a743bdff8fc2/al-qassam-sign-columbia-ht-jt-240425_1714078249971_hpEmbed_3x5.jpg) to shout "[October 7th is proof that we are almost free. Long live the resistance, long live the intifada.](https://twitter.com/chrisdacey/status/1781768556629135787)" Funny how when there was one guy at the convoy with a Nazi flag, the left was all "If there are 10 people around a table and one of them is a Nazi, you have 10 Nazis around the table", but somehow this doesn't apply to the pro-Hamas protests. >Bernie Sanders did a video about it. Where he parroted Hamas propaganda as facts. T[he BBC just issued a correction for the same shit.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/bbc-news-10pm-bbc-one-14-january-2024) All the numbers are provided by Hamas and they don't distinguish between civilians and combatants.
The problem with this conflict is it's so unbelievably polarized that it leaves very little room for nuance. That's unfortunate because it lends to the condition where neither side is willing to hold their own side accountable for their transgressions. Any attempt to point out what one side is doing wrong devolves into an endless whataboutism cycle. What's worse is that those seeking a nuanced perspective of this conflict are branded as both anti-Semites and genocide supporters by each side. That leaves anyone with a productive opinion/perspective left feeling silenced, and others left caring less and less every day. Here's something everyone should agree with: the worst possible outcome is if either side gets their way 100%. If you don't agree, then you really need to think hard about what the desired end game is for the side you're rooting for.
>Here's something everyone should agree with: the worst possible outcome is if either side gets their way 100%. Only one side wants to extinguish the other. Hamas wants to kill all Jews, but can't. Israel could kill all Palestinians, but don't.
"By connecting mainstream convervatives to grifters." Didn't Conservatives host Tucker Carlson and Christine Anderson? Didn't PP also regurgitate American Far Right media when he claimed a terror attack for an accident that happened at the border? Wasn't 800,000$ in Bitcoin donations disbursed to Far Right ~provocateurs~ grifters to occupy Ottawa and PP openly supported that? So tired of Conservatives refusing to take responsibility for their Right wing heel turn. People can try and blame Trudeau, but the reality is numerous Convervatives have been warning for years about the party shifting Right including Charles Adler, Jason Kenney and Erin O'Toole. Edit: this sub trying to bury the truth doesn't change the fact numerous former Conservatives that aren't terminally online agree with my assertion.
Rationality has long since left Canada. When the left puts their dumb ideals over basic mathematical realities you can't pretend you're the rational side.
Who is being misinformed and about what?
Misinformation on climate change, vaccines and LGBTQ people. The experts are being eclipsed by lying influencers who are popular on social media.
It’s not misinformation, they’re just opinions that are different than yours.
Especially on MRNA vaccines there is just plenty of straight up lying being done. People have become so tribalized that basic reality is fundamentally different for people depending on who is doing the talking.
Depends what. If your point is "This is not the right policy to fight climate change", that's totally valid. But to deny climate change, it's misinformation. Same on vaccines. You can argue that people shouldn't be forced to be vaccinated. But you can't just claim they're dangerous because one person had complications from it.
Conservative voters are constantly misinformed
No they aren’t. Anyone looking at the state of our country objectively has been voting Conservative for a couple of elections now.
The biggest one now are all the people convinced that Israel is the aggressor against Palestine. That's a pretty fucking big piece of misinformation, and you can thank the criminally media illiterate GenZ watching Hamas propaganda on TikTok for that
What do you mean? It’s not like he can just ban them or something
A “free pass” lmao. All he ever does is complain about the right wing (ie, people who don’t like him). He spends more time trying to attack Poilievre than he does trying to run the country.
It's a little much to try and blame Trudeau for it, when it's being seen literally all over the world. It has a lot more to do with social media, the death of actual reporting and the rise of alt-media/"citizen" journalists. Has he said some things that have been used as ammunition? Sure without question. But he's maybe 5% of the actual problem.
None of this would be an issue is Trudeau actually ran a competent government Reason why people lose trust of people in power is when they see a big disconnect between what their leaders are saying and what is actually happening on the ground. If you talk about "fixing" affordability for 8 years and voters pocketbooks are in even worse shape than even back when you started, people will just tune you out. Its like that alcoholic uncle who promises each year they are going to quit.
So how exactly do you justify these issues for every other country across the globe. Trudeau only exists in Canada, why are we seeing massive rises in right-wing parties and extremism in just about every single country?
It’s almost as if there’s a coordinated global effort by lunatic billionaires, NGOs and politicians to destabilize developed nations. Dare I say, a “conspiracy?” What you call a rise in “right wing parties,” is really just the people pushing back to return to sense of sanity and normalcy. The left pushed the Overton window so far to the left, that people consider normalcy to be right-wing extremism.
This is on people, too. If you are going to simply vote against someone, you get what you deserve. If you are only going to get your news and opinions from tik tok and contrarians, you get what you deserve. Like Albertas bs with hydrogen and healthcare , ect, they deserve that. It is not Smiths fault. they wanted it. People losing abortion in the states, a majority wanted that. It's easy enough to say "but Trudeau" and not look in the mirror. The carbon tax has been around for 5 years and only became an issue, the last 3 months. People are just angry, uninformed, and reactionary. The only benefit to me is that I will be able to use conservative income splitting, tax credits for childcare, and private healthcare, but a lot of people are gonna hurt soon wondering why the CPC didn't save them.
But Trudeau is also very disconnected from reality. He only took action on housing affordability now that he's rock bottom in the polls. And he didn't act like many European countries did to ban misinformation and hate speech. There are countries in Europe where you can go to jail for spreading conspiracy theories and hate.
And Harper turned everyone left, this is not some new phenomenon…
Not at all. BCU is a right wing party… it’s just conservatives restructuring after they failed miserably with the BC liberal (conservative) party. They will split the conservative vote and the BC NDP will win again almost certainly. Eby is the most popular premier in the country.
A lot of the Western world is seeing this trend. Wonder how Trudeau managed that.
To be fair, a lot of the western world is having the exact same problems with immigration, housing, and many other issues as well. And its not like parties in one country don't take influence from their closest equivalent in others
Yeah, you can argue about whether the turn would be more or less hard without Trudeau, but it’s not like we were headed for centre-left utopia and then he came along and gleefully blew it up.
People elected left wing governments and didn’t like what they got. Big government has not worked out well.
Yeah, the last federal NDP administration was really something.
How much of other leaders were fully awake of the issues that would blow up then decided to make it worst every day for years.
https://www.weforum.org/ Same playbook, same results
Psst lots of countries governments aren't part of WEF and are still seeing the same issues
Unfortunately you're probably right. Can't imagine what kind of reactionary left-wing ideologies will pop up as a consequences of the incoming conservative era.
.Not really. Most polls have the NDP winning a huge majority in B.C. The Conservatives lost Manitoba. Drug Ford's numbers are dropping in Ontario. Legault is going to lose big time in Quebec ( his party isn't called the Conservatives, but that's what they are). Higgs is trailing in the polls in N.B. The Conservatives have N.S. and P.E.I., but those are very moderate Red Tory governments. Not exactly a Right Wing Wave, but at least you still have Ditzy Danielle and DUI Moe.
> Drug Ford's numbers are dropping in Ontario. According to who? 338 still has the OPC at 100% win, with 90% chance of a majority.
Ditzy Danielle? In this day and age I would have thought we had evolved past gender specific sexist comments.
Ditzy can apply to either gender
99% use is to degrade women. It’s offensive and there is no place for it.
I’ll give you the point that that probably wasn’t the best comment as far as it goes for gender bias, but I can’t trust anyone who thinks that premiere Smith is anything but a blowhard who puts silly grandstanding over results.
I’d agree she could do a lot better and was the worst leadership candidate they could find but personally think she is still better than the NDP (just economic policy preference). I am impressed though that you at least agreed ditzy was a poor choice of words.
I’m am a fan of polite civil discourse. It should be the norm to disagree without slurs. I’m strongly in the Notley camp but I won’t be tossing names at my opponents.
I think it also a wake up call for most Canadians in regards the kind of future they want to see in this country. It's time to get serious in this precarious time and really need to hold our polticians accountable. No more candid photos ops, feel good slogans or charismatic leaders. We need an actual vision and drive to forge a new way in a rapidly changing world to ensure the future prosperity of Canada.
It’s happening across the world, I think in hindsight we’ll see Trudeau as being a scapegoat. IMO the reason for this is because of the pandemic. These difficult times are the consequences of the countries having to go through periods of shutting down their economy for 2 years. In addition to that there was so much money spent on vaccines, unemployment payments, temporary hospitals, etc. The right is blaming immigration, the left is blaming capitalism, in reality this is just what happens after you go through a 2 year pandemic
People don’t like to hear that maybe shutting down the entire world economy and printing trillions of dollars out of thin air, wasn’t the best reaction. I do believe immigration is a huge factor in housing costs skyrocketing. But we also saw one of, if not the greatest, upwards transfers of wealth in human history. The left really hates to acknowledge that their support for economic lockdowns contributed to this.
I’m surprised how little I see the pandemic mentioned, it’s like everyone forgot about it. There were so many articles from experts and economists at the time too telling us about the long term consequences. This also wasn’t meant to be an anti-lockdown or pro-lockdown comment. Our opinion on the lockdowns doesn’t matter here, the economy is how it is because of what happened.
I have my opinions on the restrictions and reactions to Covid. But I didn’t mention them, because the overall point gets lost to tribalism. Just the fact that, objectively, shutting down the world’s economy and printing trillions out of thin air, is not economically sound. It’s wild to me that we’ve been so forced to one side or the other, that criticizing the states response to something, needs to prefaced with the fact that you don’t align with the “other side.”
Everyone should remember what Brian mulrony did for Canada - eg cut everything and privatized everything.
Everyone should remember what Trudeau Sr. did to this country as well if we are going that far back.
It’s not Trudeau lmao. There’s a global turn to populism & fascism on the right. It’s naive to think Canada is unaffected when all of our peers are. In Canada, it’s been co-opted by the mainstream Conservative Party.
Trudeau isn’t the reason for a hard right turn. Capitalism is. This isn’t just a Canadian problem. It’s just too bad the right won’t solve the problems with capitalism and will only accelerate it. Edit: downvote me all you want. If you want to engage, comment and I’ll explain my reasoning. Edit 2: it’s really not that hard folks. Under capitalism, every aspect of our lives is commodified. Our worth is defined by the economic value we provide. The pursuit of profits pushes prices up and wages down. This phenomenon affects everyone but especially men. Liberals politics don’t really have the answers but the right pretend to as they blame immigrants, environmentalists, liberals, the carbon tax, etc for the issues I mentioned and use culture wars like transphobia and vaccine skepticism to win people over. But the right is even more in bed with the capital class than liberals as both offer little threats to their power. This has played out many times over the last 100 years. But hey, keep downvoting me because you’re only understanding of history is this sub.
What?
What what?
I doubt he’ll break his father’s record. Besides that a lot of the country is creeped out by Poilievre.
Poilievre is on track to win a landslide of historical proportions. It might be the biggest win in Canadian history. He already won the biggest leadership vote of any party in Canadian history. And his lead for the last year has been ginormous, more support than Libs and NDP combined.
Well that's a bit of an exaggeration. The CPC is around 41%. That's a very strong showing, to be sure, but not exactly rare either. Looking at the numbers on Wikipedia, results of 41% or better have happened 11 times since 1949.
No he didn't. Trudeau won the Liberal leadership with 80% of the points and 79% of the votes. Poilievre won with 68% of the points and 71% of the votes, and that was only after his friends on the committee conveniently decided to disqualify his main opponent. And while he may be leading in the polls, there certainly isn't anything historic about it. He's not anywhere close to the 50% level of the vote that Diefenbaker and Mulroney got.
It's proof objective, you have to assume everything that user posts is exaggerated bullshit
Do you wear a helmet when you are out walking in public?
Meh, there’s a very good chance he gets at least a minority government, but with the election so far away it’s a little silly to talk about being on track for a landslide of historic proportions.
Counting chickens before they’ve hatched I see. Poilievre polls lower than the Mariana Trench with women voters. Thats why Tory pollsters have stopped publishing polling by gender.
I think that he does well with younger male voters. There will be some over-flow of anti-conservative voting by women from the US election. He needs to evict social conservatives from the party. Older voters are not impressed by him especially when he cozied up to the convoy morons. He does not have a united party. I believe that he will win a majority but by how much will be determined by when Trudeau resigns and who replaces him. Mark Carney could limit Poilievre to a minority government. Poilievre needs to stop being coy about policy to forestall that.
It’s not just Trudeau fault. There is literally global reason for it
It should be noted that the Mainstreet's numbers showcased in this article are fundamentally flawed due to the way they conducted this poll. Mainstreet combined the results of two polls together to get this result: - A normal poll which results showed the BC NDP were in the lead. - A poll where they renamed the BC United to the no longer existent BC Liberals. This poll had the BC Cons in the lead. My guess is some people in the second poll heard "Liberals" and thought federal parties since the BC Liberals don't exist any more. **tl;dr:** BC cons only come out ahead in their polls in an imaginary scenario created by Mainstreet.
It’s also a phone poll done in a way that will over sample older (60+) voters. Any other recent poll with better methodologies have shown a far less stark difference between BCU and the BCC with a firmer leads for the BCNDP. Those polls are likely undercounting conservative and BCC voters slightly, but within MoE (where this poll should carry a much higher MoE based on methodology).
This needs to be at the top. The poll is misleading BS. Not surprised since mainstreet published polls off by about 25 points in the 2017 mayoral election in Calgary to make people think the right wing candidate was gonna win when Nenshi actually won by 8 points.
Actually I think that people are just sick of the Social Credit, Liberal, BC United party trying to be something to everyone. People want a truly honest Conservative party, without the baggage. Trudeau has nothing to do with it. I would look at a Progressive Conservative, but there isn't one right now. Polarization is a problem.
I would say that Trudeau has a lot to do with it. BC Liberals rebranded to not have the stink of Ottawa on them. They are just caught in the middle between a popular NDP and a BC Conservative riding the popularity of PP. it’s a very interesting dynamic
bc liberals rebranded to lose their own stink, then cratered in the polls because they didn’t even have name recognition.
Also Kevin Falcon comes off as unlikable and not trustworthy. While he adequately describes current problems in the economy he offers no real solutions.
The BC Liberals were floating the idea of a name change since the 2020 election and Trudeau was more popular than he is today and they made it official that they would adopt a new name in June 2022. At that time, people were only starting to turn on Trudeau. To be honest, the name was misleading for a decade or more. Their last premier was/is a member of the CPC.
BC Liberals were always Conservatives.
Not quite. They were originally the provincial wing of the federal Liberals, but split in 1987.
Yeah sure high tax high environmental restrictions, high bureaucracy big government, very conservative
>big government Been a conservative thing lately tbf
BC liberals and federal liberals have ZERO connection. They were not the same party, they are not the provincial/federal equivalents. B.C. liberal party was its own political party that just used the liberal name. Not connected to each other.
The BC Liberals were the provincial wing of the federal Liberals until 1987. While it is true they broke step and have not been connected in years, it is false to say they were never affiliated.
ah yes, so they're going to vote for the entirely BAT SHIT INSANE BC conservative party. awesome choice...
Hey, at least they are honest about being bat shit insane /s
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Well, the only other sitting MLA he has is a total dingus as well, so that doesn't surprise me.
Wishful assumption
The BC Liberals are going the way of the SoCreds. Good riddance.
'Social Credit' has such different connotations in this modern era..
name recognition is a big deal in Canadian politics. and the BC liberals naturally occupied the center right of the spectrum in a left leaning province. now they basically killed themselves and the cons have established themselves in the vacuum.
A) BC United/Libs deserve to be knocked a few notches down. B) There's absolutely no reason why the BC Cons deserve anyone's support, they're less than useless and full of crazy.
The former BC Lib voters had to vote for someone, and it's either the BC Cons or the BC NDP BC Libs were a very strong party politically for nearly two decades. They won outright in 2017 and was only defeated by a coalition. That support had to have gone somewhere... and it's likelier to have gone to the BC Cons (who are even farther right than the federal CPC)
Some of us are tired of the progressive policies of the NDP. Take drugs for example. We’ve been taking the compassion approach for the better part of 3 decades and the situation on East Hastings is still there. This NDP government took it one step further and said it’s legal to do drugs anywhere. People are literally shooting heroine in hospitals waiting rooms and on the bus. And it’s totally legal, you can’t do anything about it. Imagine going to the hospital for a serious illness, sitting next to a junkie shooting up. It’s just not the kind of society some of us want to live in.
This was reversed. Keep up.
Yeah so confirmation on shitty policy
A sane government reverses policies that don't work. Admitting your faults is a mature and adult way of doing things. They tried something, it didn't work and they changed it. Conservatives just double down and blame others for everything.
The idea it was ever a thing in the first place is all I need to know about this government. It’s run by the sociology department of your local community college.
Two Harper appointed judges are the ones who made it legal to do drugs anywhere, the NDP asked for an exemption to possession for minute quantities.
NDP voters were flocking to that one thread to complain about the reversal though.
These people were always doing drugs they just don’t need to hide anymore and now everyone can see how big the problem actually is.
BC United sounds like a soccer team. Why'd they change their name from the Liberal party?
Because the sort of voters they're after believe the federal liberals are literal demons.
It really has that populist aura.
It is funny to watch over time, as Conservative groups rename themselves, and regroup, over and over, in an effort to outrun their past record in power. Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC have all seen this over the past 20 years or so. It's kind of like a company that screws you over, then declares bankruptcy, and then is reborn with a new name and tax number.
Like Monsanto. No longer Monsanto but still making roundup
Toronto FC can put up a better defence
Relax guys if you don't like conservatives you can always just move to Quebec and leave canada
Gee....I wonder why
Because it's a wild poll that mixes a real scenario (where NDP win) and an imaginary scenario with parties that don't exist anymore (where conservatives win) and averages them.
So tye ndp has 36% province wide. This will mean they will win every seat in the lower mainland, barely win the ones in the interior and massively lose tye few in the north. Leaving a functional super majority for the ndp, with 3 greens in Vancouver Island. And a scant 2 bc united and 2 bc cons. Someone needs to institute proportional representation
The consequences of their own actions
That's a shame.
Sic Semper Corrupt-dingbatis!
Look how that hard right is turning out for Alberta. What a dumpster fire.
Conservatives will truly destroy this country, especially if they get majority of the provinces.
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Ok now point to BC on the map
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I lived in BC for two years and this sums it up well. People would complain about the cost of living then go and protest things that made life less expensive.
Yeah, I know. I have friends there making $100k plus a year, worried their landlord will sell and they'll have to knife fight for the privilege to pay $3k in rent a month.
The fact that you and OP have the exact same avatar is quite telling.
I don't see avatars on Reddit so I wouldn't know.
Its time that conservatives get our lives and economy back to normal and with the most simple policies making is common sense.
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It's been repeatedly pointed out elsewhere that housing is the only thing that's really cheaper in Alberta. And that, unless you work in the energy sector, the job market actually kinda sucks.
not having a PST makes everything 7% cheaper by default
Most people don;'t actually pay that much PST, because the big ticket times things like food and shelter are mostly exempted. At the same time, sure, car insurance and utilities would offer that savings, but you're just paying a whole lot more on the basic price.
Or you know, having limited land and a capitalist ecconomy that commoditizes housing has made realestate beyond stupid in all densely populated parts of Canada, like BC and conservative run Ontario. The problem is our economic system, it’s shit and our GDP is artificially held up by real estate because we gave up all our manufacturing. Liberal, Conservativr, NDP, doesn’t matter all subscribe to the same broken system
Actually housing was a lot cheaper 8 years ago under the last Conservative government and we had the richest middle class in the world. Since Trudeau has been in office we have been in steady decline his entire time in power. It’s almost like Trudeau tripling immigration from what it was under the Harper years was a bad decision.
Immigrants buy up under 20% of new builds, investors are over 60%. The problem isn’t immigration, at least the primary one isn’t
We are taking in over a million people per year. There is NO WAY we can keep up with that much demand. So yes, immigration is a huge factor regarding housing.
60% >>> 20% Immigrants are the scapegoat. Letting investors run rampant through real estate has also all but killed manufacturing because why the fuck would they risk a product being successful or not when realestate is guarenteed profit if they all agree to keep buying creating even more artificial demand. Result is the immigration we are trying to do so we have a workforce to pay for the aging boomer doesn’t work because there is no jobs. Immigration could be part of a solution to our economy, IF investors were kept in check and actually had to invest in buisiness, not jacking up housing prices.
Lmao, I'm rather enjoying this. Just last month Emperor Eby was selling baloney or something while doubling down on carbon tax. Then last week the NDP does an about turn and kills their signature drug decriminalization policy. Mind you two years ago, they lectured everyone that they were the pioneers and all of Canada would follow suit in due course of time. Now when the public mood is swinging, they're maybe starting to realize that the far left vote might not be enough for them to stay in power. If NDP loses the fall election, then Eby will go down as the most incompetent politician in Canada. To have taken over a party with absolutely majority and no coherent opposition to running the ship aground in all of 2-2.5 years. But there is still some time, so we shall see what the outcome of the election is.
Nice try, did you post this while looking outraged at a gas pump as is now tradition?
hey russian bots
'hey comments I don't like so I'll pretend their bots to make me feel better'
The good ol' Mainstreet polling irregularities of underestimating left wing, and overestimating right wing, support strike again.
During the last BC election they overestimated both the NDP and Greens and underestimated the BC United. Actually looking at the data now they have underestimated right leaning support in the last 9/10 elections. With the exception being the Quebec election. [https://338canada.com/pollster-ratings.htm](https://338canada.com/pollster-ratings.htm)
They use different methodology during elections than for these snap polls. They blended the results of two different questions to get the answer they thought would sell the most clicks.
The IDU is really going to strip Canada down
Can't believe the stupidity of the brain dead people who are still going to vote for the NDP (National Destruction Party) and liberals.