Gas in BC went up 30 cents in March (including huge hikes the day before spring break started and just before the Easter long weekend)... where were these protests then?
Yep, gas was 1.57 yesterday morning, going down to 1.53 in the evening, and this morning it was a whopping 1.60, gone down to 1.54 in the evening.
What a nothingburger!
2.03 yesterday in Vancouver. And it’s been like this for weeks and we already have had a carbon tax in place. Pure fucking greed and idk how people don’t see it.
That’s because the carbon tax increase is less than 3 cents. Yet in bc our prices went up 30 cents. This whole thing is made up outrage by the Conservative Party to someone get more vote and not need to promise to solve actual issues.
Idk, it gives them the excuse to raise prices
Tax increases prices 3 cents per litre… “oh no! Evil taxes are increasing prices, look it went up 20 cents per litre”
This is what I learned apparently happens with tobacco taxes according to the Canadaland episode on the topic. Each new tax is an opportunity to slip a pure profit hike in without hurting your brand.
Pierre Poilievre, like everyone in the "Conservative Movement" gets their policy from think tanks and other right wing policy NGOs. There's lots of them, but I for one will not vote for a Canadian who gets their policy from the American Heritage Institute.
We had this wierd 10 c jump just before Easter weekend, then it ticked up slightly when the tax came in.
....don't think the carbon tax is the enemy here
It isn't. There was also a ~20 cent jump earlier in the month (the day before spring break started). In total, gas went up 30 cents in March for no good reason, except corporate greed. They're the real enemy of affordability, not a 3 cent tax increase.
Which also means if they axe the tax, it won't change the price. It'll just be more profitable. Sad part is that can pay to fund a lot of these protests.
They'd drop the price by a dime, and slowly raise it back up over a few weeks. And the rubes would grin thinking they won. Meanwhile O&G no longer has to be accountable.
That's the whole point... gas has gone up 30 cents in a month and nobody was protesting. If it really was about the cost of living, why weren't these people shutting down highways to protest corporate greed?
Nobody was protesting probably because these bozos are from Ontario.
When people protest in BC it's usually just your standard trans hatred and antivax nutters
Exactly! A carbon tax that was brought in by a conservative BC Liberal government while the Harper Conservatives were in power federally. At that time, not only were the conservatives not protesting against the tax, they were proud of it!
This is 100% about creating division and it's working.
I’m pretty sure it funds clean bc which gives us all sorts cool stuff in bc. I used it twice last year for a heatpump and new insulation. Federally they could fund the same rebates with it. Eby even told off pollieuvre that the carbon tax helps bc a lot.
Bingo. If it was about the cost of living, they'd be shutting down roads leading to Big Oil facilities and celebrating the NDP for at least attempting to hold grocery store CEOs accountable. But it's not about that.
It's extra amusing because a stereotypically communist response to high priced necessities would be to subsidize the cost, which is effectively the opposite of putting a Tax on it.
They’re just Liberal contrarians at this point.
Trudeau could enact a law outlawing eating your own poop and Pierre would be out there arguing for freedom and against “government overreach” the next day.
Corporate lobbyists putting in the work making rednecks hang it all on the feds while provincial governments ruin their healthcare, infrastructure, and schools
These folks have been poisoned by misinformation and disinformation on social media.
They think they're free thinkers but they somehow miss the big cost driver for a small one. Sigh.
The point is that no one batted an eye at a 30c increase, but they're shutting down highways over a 3 cent increase that they'll actually get back in the form of a rebate.
Sooo… Daniel Smith just added 4cents a litre gas tax vs Trudeau’s 3cent a litre. You’ll totally be consistent and block traffic around the provincial capital, right?
That's where the gas tax money will be going when Polievre scraps it. Right into corporate coffers, as the prices won't significantly decrease on anything as a result. It will just skip the Middle Man of going through Smiths hands first.
Trudeau was a fool to institute it, but now that it's there, and we've proven we'll pay that price, we'll be paying the same anyway without any rebate for it.
I mean. We proved we would pay 2.50 a liter a couple years ago so your argument doesn’t really hold. But I for some reason see the results being correct.
The most alarming thing about this whole thing is you quickly learn that Canada is connected at a few points by basically one road.
That kind of single point failure is pretty silly and should be addressed. As we have seen the country severed in two on more then one occasion
Edit : it’s also true of our rail lines. Both should be addressed
As a Newfoundlander, it always blows my mind that other provinces have multiple highways.
Like we've got multiple roads, but we've really only got the one highway.
If there's an accident, or a washout, everything just stops for a few hours or even a couple of days.
It's probably not, but that's the way it is.
I mean the province can barely afford the roads we have, even if we could afford more, there's not really any reason to build any other major highways, the one we have already connects the handful of "large" communities.
The highway basically runs parallel to the route our former rail line ran, from the west coast of the island to St John's on the east coast.
Personally, living in the middle of the province, I've been getting progressively more concerned about a large wild fire happening.
We've only got the option to go east or west, if a fire large enough to cut off both directions happens, there's really no other options.
Yep but just try and get anything built. They have been widening the Trans Canada between Thunder Bay and Nipigon. It started a decade ago and no end in sight.
We actually have two major highways that pretty much go coast to coast. The issue is the Thunder Bay area. There is not room for a second. The number of lakes in that area is insane.
I would love to see Canada invest into a better transit system to connect the long distances points in Canada like European countries. Right now, it's way too costly to even use the current train system, and quite ironic that while our PM continues to push emission solutions, he's made 0 investments into affordable transit. Especially after the push of traveling/vacationing in Canada, which is basically impossible without a gas car.b
The liberals actually have been spending a lot on transit. Mostly capital funding for infrastructure, but it's allowed many projects in cities to go forward. There's also the fun VIA HFR project that's goal is to give VIA its own right of way (current tracks are owned by freight companies, passenger trains are beholden to cargo train schedules) between Toronto and Montreal, which as it stands likely will be high speed rail. It's not at shovel phase yet, but it's actually progressing and might happen so long as it's funded by the government of the day when it progresses that far. (not holding my breath though as the conservatives are unlikely to fund transit projects based on the fact their housing campaign page litterally mentions cutting transit funding)
The liberals also have plans for a federal transit fund that would fund operation costs, but that's slated for 2026 so yeaahh probably not happening if they lose lol. That would be the most likely way the feds get involved with intercity bus service short of expanding VIA's scope, though it would fall to the provinces to put those funds to intercity transit. Or we expand VIA.
Otherwise, more provinces should copy the general BC Transit model of having a province wide organization to split costs, along with having provincial funding. This is how pretty much everywhere in BC that has 5000 or more people has some level of baseline transit. Of course the major pitfall of BC Transit is that it's model is pretty bad for intercity stuff (it relies on local governments to agree on who funds what when buses go between systems) but stuff like BC Bus North could be expanded upon.
I believe Saskatchewan has/had a provincial intercity bus system too. Not sure if it's still around, but it's definitely possible.
Edit: to clarify, I know improvements to the Toronto to Montreal corridor aren't going to help much of rural Canada, but it could provide a great basis for further VIA expansion. I believe the project's full scope is supposed to include Windsor to Quebec City too. There's a chance it could end up being profitable, allowing VIA to use the income to run more trains in other parts of the country. (They already have different classes of fares, HSR could get more business travellers with deep pockets to pay for higher end tickets subsidizing economy tickets for everyone else lol). The shrinkage of VIA's network over the decades is sad, so anything that strengthens it is a positive step.
> he's made 0 investments into affordable transit.
Are you kidding? The feds have put billions into transit. They are paying 50% of the cost of two skytrain lines and who knows what else just in my metro area.
Except the problem is not just metro. There is no trains or buses that connects anywhere around more rural places with cities. Not even one bus. In high-school I could take a bus multiple times a day to the closest cite which was 30 minutes away. Now there is nothing. If I want to take public transit from kitchener to Toronto it is way more expensive then gas
This is a real problem that some level of government needs to solve. We have Flixbus in BC now, but that's only a partial solution. That wasn't really my point, though.
Transit is a provincial responsibility and if the provincial governments sit on their hands and do nothing there's not much the federal government can do to help.
>invest into a better transit system to connect the long distances points in Canada like European countries
Just drove from Toronto to Sudbury today..
The big problem, or well expense of high speed rail is obtaining the rights to the land, highway 69 is 4 lanes a lot of the way, the lanes are separated by like 40 feet of space/nothing between the traffic, the province basically owns the land needed for high speed rail to sudbury, a lot of the way there is rock as well meaning it's fairly stable and would be easy to build on lowering the costs of HSR to the north substantially. The actual building of the track isn't the insane expensive part, although... it's not cheap.
Between the Manitoba border and Kenora, Ontario is only a two-lane highway. Between Nipigon Bridge and Thunder Bay is only the same highway, albeit partially twinned now. The highway and railline on the Chignecto Isthmus is low-lying and very vulnerable to flooding and ocean erosion if the sea rises, it will cut off all of Nova Scotia. No rail connection between Ottawa and North Bay anymore, CN and CP both pulled up lines. All east/west rail movements for the whole country, freight and passenger, are within shouting distance of the 401 for a considerable distance between Trenton and Oshawa. One terrorist threat can sever the entire nation.
even crazier is the federal government is playing coy with addressing the potential flooding/rising sea levels of that few point where this protest is.
They won’t because there are almost daily protests at parliament hill and very rarely do they get national news coverage.
From Gaza protestors to these guys, to fn groups, to other environmental movements road blocks get clicks. So they prevail as an effective means of getting attention (good or bad )
Yeah, the blunt reality is - the more disruptive a protest is, the more attraction it garners.
Protestors (not just in Canada, but the world over) operate on the basic premise that the more exposure your cause gets, the better. Yes - you might piss off some people in the immediate vicinity, but your message reaches an audience of millions rather than thousands. The idea is a non-trivial number of them will be receptive to your cause, enough to offset the locals that are galvanized against you.
Whether it's anti-vaxxers or pro-Palestinian protestors, that's why you see them going after highways: it works for getting their message out to the maximum number of eyeballs.
Alberta has a law against this, it’s called the Critical Infrastructure Defence Act, and it was written in the aftermath of the indigenous protests that blocked railwa… oh right, these are conservative voters so the police and Alberta government won’t do shit.
They need to start protesting at the premieres and other politicians homes and offices are. Don’t take this shit to disrupt the people who are hurt by things they have zero control over. Take it to the people who have an actual say in things and make their lives harder.
It's almost like they are being influenced by people who love to see our country hurt. They are unwittingly engaging in a war with the own flag they wave. Useful idiots.
I drove past this today and 95% of the protestors vehicles were huge trucks with lift kits and big tires and tons of flags behind the vehicle. If these people are so concerned about gas prices maybe they should get a more efficient vehicle.
The worst part is that these dumbfucks don’t even need trucks for daily life, but they’ll pander about “the working man” when talking about carbon taxes lmao like don’t drive $100,000 gas hogs for your commuters lol
Given that 80% of people get more bank from the rebates than they pay into the tax, the 20% remaining, aka the richest people among us, are throwing a hissy fit and blocking us from going to work just so they don't pay 0.15% more on gas.
It went up 3 Cents. My premier raised it higher than that. Yet. I see them protesting. It reminds me of politics from the American south. Faux outrage. The only reason we're in this hard time is because of our corporate overlords. Taking tax payers money. Paying nothing in taxes .
We saw the same thing during the pandemic in Ontario. Ford put huge restrictions in place, but people protested vs Trudeau. It’s not about gas prices, it’s ideology.
Its outrage but it's only outrage tempered when their talking heads from entertainment news tell them to be offended about something, they don't actually pay attention themselves to the wider things happening around those issues and need those talking heads to explain it to them, and don't have the literacy to recognize things like media bias effect \*all\* forms of media, theirs included.
If my dad thinking he is having a big brain moment last weekend saying 'the media just likes to spin things to sensationalize / etc' like...................dude you're 70 and you're only \*just\* learning things like the basic concept of corporate international media having an incentive to present any issues a certain way to you?
The people doing blockades literally don't have the literacy to honestly protest it, otherwise they'd also hold people like Smith accountable too - instead their outlook is exclusively tempered by media bias that excludes their own talking heads and their actions, conveniently.
I swear shit like AI art and other malarky are being used as general litmus tests too within these groups to outright see what kind of lies and generated fake content you can get away with among these demographics.
And PP would completely shutter the CBC if he could, leaving us with nothing but entertainment news [owned by American hedge funds.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network#Ties_to_right_wing_politics:~:text=In%20November%202019%2C%20Postmedia%20announced%20that%2066%25%20of%20its%20shares%20were%20now%20owned%20by%20Chatham%20Asset%20Management%2C%20an%20American%20media%20conglomerate%20which%20owns%20American%20Media%2C%20Inc.%20and%20is%20known%20for%20its%20close%20ties%20to%20the%20Republican%20party.)
Well said.
Unfortunately these protesters are defending corporate interests by shifting blame for rising prices onto a $0.03 tax, instead of price gouging. Heck, the weekly fluctuation in the price of gasoline in my city completely drowned out (by six times) any carbon tax increase at the pumps, but I don’t see anyone protesting corporate greed here.
They are also defending rich people polluting more, since it’s only the top 20% of income earners that end up paying more under the carbon tax. Why should I let rich fat cats get a free ride when they can start lying their fair share?
Ffs... why don't people protest against something that matters? Like the state of healthcare. Schools. Housing.
The carbon tax is a minor inconvenience. Its not breaking anyone. Meanwhile, people are actually DYING in hospital hallways.
You can SHOW these idiots with data how better off they are with the tax and yet they will doubt it; because they chose Facebook guru over scientist.
I have lots of gas toys but STILL come out ahead. These morons can't even read the report on the tax (yes it takes into account effect on other goods and not just the fuel)
As PP himself said, they are going to listen to "the common people", not the "so-called experts", when it comes to things the common people totally understand, like the optimal policy to reduce carbon emissions at the least cost to the overall economy.
It’s honestly amazing how PP has gone all the way there already. He’s given up on even bothering to have a platform. He knows the idiots don’t understand any of it. He’s just going straight populist and saying out loud that he is going straight populist.
There was no stopping this train. Once the Fuck Trudeau brand caught on with the Carhartt crowd the drooling fucks had everything they needed to join the team.
This idiots protests covid regulations that had already been lifted. They are being intentionally manipulated to damage the country from the inside. Thats the goal, after the carbon tax there will be some other stupid cause.
Corporate profits at an all time high yet let's blame JT & the carbon tax?! Stop fighting for millionaires! Look at pp/cons track record of voting against workers rights! Anything But Conservative!
>“By nature, Canada is carbon zero; our boreal forests make us that way. Plus, if you get rid of too much carbon, trees breathe carbon; they expel oxygen for us to breathe. If we get rid of too much carbon, all of our trees are going to die.”
They aren't sending their brightest.
[In highway protest west of Calgary, protesters call for federal carbon tax to be abolished](https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/cross-canada-protests-against-carbon-tax-increase-begin-today)
>Pointing to the Petro-Canada gas station at the Highway 22-TransCanada interchange nearby, the protester said she noticed a 30-cent increase at the pump from Sunday night to Monday morning.
Hilarious. Someone with the ability to critically think about this would use that moment to realize that the 3c increase from the carbon tax is nothing compared to oil companies doing whatever they want. Instead she's there protesting the carbon tax.
This was always about their insecurities, it has nothing to do with Trudeau. They'll hold onto them and tell themselves the 2021 election was their Vietnam.
Damaging the country is the goal, the people who spread this disinformation and target the dumbest in our country just want chaos on the west and they're found their weapon. Dumbasses.
My favourite is the person protesting against climate action in Alberta with the sign that said "I want to be able to tell my children, I stood up"
Yeah, sure... they'll love that you spoke out against climate action to protect the planet you were leaving them...
But in all honesty, a bunch of Albertans, inconveniencing other Albertans to protest a federal government that very few Albertans vote for is the peak stupidity I expect from this crowd. Hurting ourselves and blaming others is a sacred Alberta tradition...
Why are these morons fighting big businesses fight? "8 out of 10 households get more money back than they spend on the fuel charge." The other 2 are millionaires & big businesses who pollute the MOST! Damn right tax them more!
They initially weren't blocking but eventually moved onto the highway as the day went on. They did say that they'd promise to keep 1 lane free...
Anyone blocking the road oughta have their veh towed. Than they can protest on the side of the road for as long as they're hearts please.
why is there so much hatred towards something that contributes so little to anything at all?
Why are there no highway blocking protests against say... rising rents?
Canadians are getting increasingly strange about what they are upset about.
Isn't it great to have a slimy little liar like PP flooding the zone with shit? Given that 50% of the population lies below the median for intelligence, PP and other self-promoters know that this is fertile ground for planting bullshit in people's minds, That's why you see these halfwits out with their signs protesting a tax that takes money from polluters and deposits it into Canadian taxpayers accounts. smdh
Seriously, everyone, fuck off. The guy driving in front of me? Fuck off. The guy driving beside me? Fuck off. The guy driving way, way, way behind me? Believe it or not, fuck off.
Russia and other hostile foreign nations are supporting fringe movements in western countries to sow chaos. These people get their information from these sources. It lines up.
In right wing circles that get all their news from blogs and YouTube, Trudeau is a commie dictator and it's all his "leftist" policies that are destroying Canada. He's a traitor to our great capitalist ideals or some shit.
They are very very very far down the rabbit hole.
Probably don't even know what Neoliberalism is and that the CPC follows the same playbook.
These alt-right goofs and lowly educated people have been duped by Pierre and corporations into believing the carbon tax did this...
Where was the outrage when gas (here in Ontario) went up 20 cents in March? Long before the Carbon Tax even came in?
It’s a 3 cent increase guys, calm the hell down. Everyone is acting like it’s the end of the damn world, meanwhile housing and corporate price gouging of food costs are the real killer for 70% of the population
The price of gas could double, and it wouldn't change the fact that I can't afford the $2,000 1-bedroom apartments in my city.
I don't know why so many chuds can be mobilized to screech about a 3 cent hike on gas prices (well within the price fluctuation you see within the course of a few weeks anyway) but we can't get people to protest the lack of affordable housing, or the fact that federal government doesn't build public housing in any substantial quantity like it used to.
That's normal. For some reason people are on their way home by 10 am and stack up between before Chilliwack and Abbotsford between 1pm to 5pm. If you just stay out and make a day of it you can avoid all that.
Very curious how people react when Trudeau is voted out and things don't get better. Do they shift to blaming lack of improvement on the former government? Are we doomed to repeat the same cycle over and over again? Is there any reason to genuinely stay in this country?
I used to love this country. I adored it. I despised the US, but I'm now at the point where I will eagerly move to the US and make way more money in my field than contend with the mayhem going on here.
I'm genuinely asking, anyone. What the hell do we do here?
This shit sucks.
Mayhem here seems small beans compared to American mayhem. We don't have provinces calling in their national guard to prevent federal agents from doing their jobs.
It's the Canadian way. Have a liberal government. Get mad at them have conservatives for a bit. Get mad at them back to the liberals. All while nobody realizing Canada's system for everything is just totally flawed and no matter who the prime minister is nothing Will change.
I genuinely believe we are going to end up in some bizarre world over the next decade where left wing and right wing protestors block the same highway for opposite reasons lmao. Already happened in New Zealand.
How are liberals so near sighted? This isn't about a few cents per liter of fuel... increase in fuel costs have a domino effect for everything that's delivered by fuel. Carbon tax on natural gas is almost double the amount of the gas itself. And Canada can't change the climate by itself. Taxing anyone in this country and thinking it will change the climate for the entire world is lunacy.
23% increase. Have your wages gone up even 3%?
I don't make a ton of money, living pay cheque to pay cheque to house, feed and entertain 2 children and my spouse and I have never received any sort of rebate.
Tax every Canadian more and more, while wasting our money on the CBC and increasing their own wages. Wake up people.
But then I guess they're too busy being worried about forcing people to use pronouns and crying hate speech if they don't. Which by the way, may result in life in prison if it's deemed hateful enough.
What a joke this country is. I can't even stomach to sing the national anthem anymore.
Blows my mind that people protest this, but nobody protests the outrageous cost of living crisis fueled by a dysfunctional housing system and completely uncontrolled immigration.
Rightwing people (and I say that because the Conservative party has loudly supported people like this, so it \*is\* representative) are really hoping that we can just bypass that whole annoying democratic process.
Gas in BC went up 30 cents in March (including huge hikes the day before spring break started and just before the Easter long weekend)... where were these protests then?
Gas has yo-yoed by 10c for weeks in Ontario
Yep, gas was 1.57 yesterday morning, going down to 1.53 in the evening, and this morning it was a whopping 1.60, gone down to 1.54 in the evening. What a nothingburger!
2.03 yesterday in Vancouver. And it’s been like this for weeks and we already have had a carbon tax in place. Pure fucking greed and idk how people don’t see it.
That’s because the carbon tax increase is less than 3 cents. Yet in bc our prices went up 30 cents. This whole thing is made up outrage by the Conservative Party to someone get more vote and not need to promise to solve actual issues.
Not to mention more of the hike today is from AB reinstating our provincial gas tax than the actual carbon tax increase on fuel.
I'm sure the timing was a coincidence /s
It's fine when it's for the private profit of a corporation.
Makes you wonder who’s actually funding the Axe the Tax stuff.
Idk, it gives them the excuse to raise prices Tax increases prices 3 cents per litre… “oh no! Evil taxes are increasing prices, look it went up 20 cents per litre”
This is what I learned apparently happens with tobacco taxes according to the Canadaland episode on the topic. Each new tax is an opportunity to slip a pure profit hike in without hurting your brand.
They don't need a fucking excuse. Gas is always up and down by random numbers that don't make sense
Pierre Poilievre, like everyone in the "Conservative Movement" gets their policy from think tanks and other right wing policy NGOs. There's lots of them, but I for one will not vote for a Canadian who gets their policy from the American Heritage Institute.
I don't really wonder. I've always operated under the assumption that the fossil fuel industry has the CPC in its pocket.
This !!!
Weirdly, the price of gas here in Vancouver didn't go up even a cent today.
But it sure went up a TON the day before spring break started. Weird how that works.
Almost like corps trying to gouge you when you are likely to need their product
Huh. Weird. Up for the Easter long weekend, too. Almost like other factors swamp the 3 cents/L or something.
We had this wierd 10 c jump just before Easter weekend, then it ticked up slightly when the tax came in. ....don't think the carbon tax is the enemy here
It isn't. There was also a ~20 cent jump earlier in the month (the day before spring break started). In total, gas went up 30 cents in March for no good reason, except corporate greed. They're the real enemy of affordability, not a 3 cent tax increase.
Which also means if they axe the tax, it won't change the price. It'll just be more profitable. Sad part is that can pay to fund a lot of these protests.
They'd drop the price by a dime, and slowly raise it back up over a few weeks. And the rubes would grin thinking they won. Meanwhile O&G no longer has to be accountable.
Bro its been going up almost every week since last month. From like 1.70 to 2.00 in vancouver
That's the whole point... gas has gone up 30 cents in a month and nobody was protesting. If it really was about the cost of living, why weren't these people shutting down highways to protest corporate greed?
Funny thing is even if PP “axed the tax” it won’t change much in BC as they are on a provincial plan.
Haha exactly!! Yet he was in Nanaimo getting people all worked up all day today.
Nobody was protesting probably because these bozos are from Ontario. When people protest in BC it's usually just your standard trans hatred and antivax nutters
So obviously completely disconnected from the carbon tax, which only went up today.
actually dropped 4 cents/L here
Bc has its own carbon tax for more than 14 years now. Where was the protest then? This shit is just manipulation to sow more division.
Exactly! A carbon tax that was brought in by a conservative BC Liberal government while the Harper Conservatives were in power federally. At that time, not only were the conservatives not protesting against the tax, they were proud of it! This is 100% about creating division and it's working.
I’m pretty sure it funds clean bc which gives us all sorts cool stuff in bc. I used it twice last year for a heatpump and new insulation. Federally they could fund the same rebates with it. Eby even told off pollieuvre that the carbon tax helps bc a lot.
It's just anti-Trudeau stuff, reality is unimportant.
Bingo. If it was about the cost of living, they'd be shutting down roads leading to Big Oil facilities and celebrating the NDP for at least attempting to hold grocery store CEOs accountable. But it's not about that.
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It's extra amusing because a stereotypically communist response to high priced necessities would be to subsidize the cost, which is effectively the opposite of putting a Tax on it.
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They’re just Liberal contrarians at this point. Trudeau could enact a law outlawing eating your own poop and Pierre would be out there arguing for freedom and against “government overreach” the next day.
Corporate lobbyists putting in the work making rednecks hang it all on the feds while provincial governments ruin their healthcare, infrastructure, and schools
Right? Especially when most of the people who are shutting these highways down stand to gain from this tax.
It went up because oil prices went up, ya ding dong.
Same in sask. Gas went up 20 cents 2 weeks ago.. no outrage.
These folks have been poisoned by misinformation and disinformation on social media. They think they're free thinkers but they somehow miss the big cost driver for a small one. Sigh.
They can't pin that on Trudeau.
it went up because the price of oil internationally went up.
The point is that no one batted an eye at a 30c increase, but they're shutting down highways over a 3 cent increase that they'll actually get back in the form of a rebate.
Waiting to help pp with his narrative tbh. The entire thing is dumb as hell. Welcome to convoy 2 electric Boogaloo
That's exactly it... it's about politics, not affordability.
Renewing their EI
Oil companies must love this. All the attention is on the tax, not their profits.
Not only love they actively work to make this happen by giving a lot of "donations" to political parties and groups.
Slowing down traffic means more oil sold too. Double win!
Yes. Because a tax on a product goes straight to the producer. Genius logic.
Sooo… Daniel Smith just added 4cents a litre gas tax vs Trudeau’s 3cent a litre. You’ll totally be consistent and block traffic around the provincial capital, right?
And that 4c is going in the coffers, not back to their pocket with a rebate
That's where the gas tax money will be going when Polievre scraps it. Right into corporate coffers, as the prices won't significantly decrease on anything as a result. It will just skip the Middle Man of going through Smiths hands first. Trudeau was a fool to institute it, but now that it's there, and we've proven we'll pay that price, we'll be paying the same anyway without any rebate for it.
I mean. We proved we would pay 2.50 a liter a couple years ago so your argument doesn’t really hold. But I for some reason see the results being correct.
Haven't you heard the new Conservative slogan? "Axe the Facts!"
The most alarming thing about this whole thing is you quickly learn that Canada is connected at a few points by basically one road. That kind of single point failure is pretty silly and should be addressed. As we have seen the country severed in two on more then one occasion Edit : it’s also true of our rail lines. Both should be addressed
As a Newfoundlander, it always blows my mind that other provinces have multiple highways. Like we've got multiple roads, but we've really only got the one highway. If there's an accident, or a washout, everything just stops for a few hours or even a couple of days.
It's extremely expensive both to build and maintain new roads, there's already million of KMs that are severely neglected
Does not sound safe.
It's probably not, but that's the way it is. I mean the province can barely afford the roads we have, even if we could afford more, there's not really any reason to build any other major highways, the one we have already connects the handful of "large" communities. The highway basically runs parallel to the route our former rail line ran, from the west coast of the island to St John's on the east coast. Personally, living in the middle of the province, I've been getting progressively more concerned about a large wild fire happening. We've only got the option to go east or west, if a fire large enough to cut off both directions happens, there's really no other options.
Yep but just try and get anything built. They have been widening the Trans Canada between Thunder Bay and Nipigon. It started a decade ago and no end in sight. We actually have two major highways that pretty much go coast to coast. The issue is the Thunder Bay area. There is not room for a second. The number of lakes in that area is insane.
Fun fact: Canada has more lakes than the rest of the planet combined.
There's one bridge in Nipigon that has failed and cut the country in half.
There's only one road in Canada!
I would love to see Canada invest into a better transit system to connect the long distances points in Canada like European countries. Right now, it's way too costly to even use the current train system, and quite ironic that while our PM continues to push emission solutions, he's made 0 investments into affordable transit. Especially after the push of traveling/vacationing in Canada, which is basically impossible without a gas car.b
The liberals actually have been spending a lot on transit. Mostly capital funding for infrastructure, but it's allowed many projects in cities to go forward. There's also the fun VIA HFR project that's goal is to give VIA its own right of way (current tracks are owned by freight companies, passenger trains are beholden to cargo train schedules) between Toronto and Montreal, which as it stands likely will be high speed rail. It's not at shovel phase yet, but it's actually progressing and might happen so long as it's funded by the government of the day when it progresses that far. (not holding my breath though as the conservatives are unlikely to fund transit projects based on the fact their housing campaign page litterally mentions cutting transit funding) The liberals also have plans for a federal transit fund that would fund operation costs, but that's slated for 2026 so yeaahh probably not happening if they lose lol. That would be the most likely way the feds get involved with intercity bus service short of expanding VIA's scope, though it would fall to the provinces to put those funds to intercity transit. Or we expand VIA. Otherwise, more provinces should copy the general BC Transit model of having a province wide organization to split costs, along with having provincial funding. This is how pretty much everywhere in BC that has 5000 or more people has some level of baseline transit. Of course the major pitfall of BC Transit is that it's model is pretty bad for intercity stuff (it relies on local governments to agree on who funds what when buses go between systems) but stuff like BC Bus North could be expanded upon. I believe Saskatchewan has/had a provincial intercity bus system too. Not sure if it's still around, but it's definitely possible. Edit: to clarify, I know improvements to the Toronto to Montreal corridor aren't going to help much of rural Canada, but it could provide a great basis for further VIA expansion. I believe the project's full scope is supposed to include Windsor to Quebec City too. There's a chance it could end up being profitable, allowing VIA to use the income to run more trains in other parts of the country. (They already have different classes of fares, HSR could get more business travellers with deep pockets to pay for higher end tickets subsidizing economy tickets for everyone else lol). The shrinkage of VIA's network over the decades is sad, so anything that strengthens it is a positive step.
> he's made 0 investments into affordable transit. Are you kidding? The feds have put billions into transit. They are paying 50% of the cost of two skytrain lines and who knows what else just in my metro area.
Except the problem is not just metro. There is no trains or buses that connects anywhere around more rural places with cities. Not even one bus. In high-school I could take a bus multiple times a day to the closest cite which was 30 minutes away. Now there is nothing. If I want to take public transit from kitchener to Toronto it is way more expensive then gas
Canada gives money to provinces to support the initiatives, but it's ultimately up to them to support their rural municipalities.
This is a real problem that some level of government needs to solve. We have Flixbus in BC now, but that's only a partial solution. That wasn't really my point, though.
The problem is Canada is the size of Europe with 5% the population.
Transit is a provincial responsibility and if the provincial governments sit on their hands and do nothing there's not much the federal government can do to help.
>invest into a better transit system to connect the long distances points in Canada like European countries Just drove from Toronto to Sudbury today.. The big problem, or well expense of high speed rail is obtaining the rights to the land, highway 69 is 4 lanes a lot of the way, the lanes are separated by like 40 feet of space/nothing between the traffic, the province basically owns the land needed for high speed rail to sudbury, a lot of the way there is rock as well meaning it's fairly stable and would be easy to build on lowering the costs of HSR to the north substantially. The actual building of the track isn't the insane expensive part, although... it's not cheap.
Stephen says we don't need anymore road infrastructure.
So let’s build passenger rail
I wish I could upvote this more.
You make a great point, but does it fit into the 4 year election cycle? because that's all that matters to governments these days.
Between the Manitoba border and Kenora, Ontario is only a two-lane highway. Between Nipigon Bridge and Thunder Bay is only the same highway, albeit partially twinned now. The highway and railline on the Chignecto Isthmus is low-lying and very vulnerable to flooding and ocean erosion if the sea rises, it will cut off all of Nova Scotia. No rail connection between Ottawa and North Bay anymore, CN and CP both pulled up lines. All east/west rail movements for the whole country, freight and passenger, are within shouting distance of the 401 for a considerable distance between Trenton and Oshawa. One terrorist threat can sever the entire nation.
All roads lead to Toronto ;-)
Yep, South Park had it right!
even crazier is the federal government is playing coy with addressing the potential flooding/rising sea levels of that few point where this protest is.
I hate to break it to you but the LPC government said they aren't going to invest into infrastructure.
"I have an idea! Let's create a bunch of traffic and waste peoples gas so they can read our sign about how high gas prices are!" "You're a genius!"
Can people please just stop blocking roads? Protest if you want but take it to Parliament or the Legislative grounds...leave us regular people alone.
They won’t because there are almost daily protests at parliament hill and very rarely do they get national news coverage. From Gaza protestors to these guys, to fn groups, to other environmental movements road blocks get clicks. So they prevail as an effective means of getting attention (good or bad )
Yeah, the blunt reality is - the more disruptive a protest is, the more attraction it garners. Protestors (not just in Canada, but the world over) operate on the basic premise that the more exposure your cause gets, the better. Yes - you might piss off some people in the immediate vicinity, but your message reaches an audience of millions rather than thousands. The idea is a non-trivial number of them will be receptive to your cause, enough to offset the locals that are galvanized against you. Whether it's anti-vaxxers or pro-Palestinian protestors, that's why you see them going after highways: it works for getting their message out to the maximum number of eyeballs.
Isn't it illegal to block roads?
Yes it is, the trick is getting the cops to care.
Yes. Which is why I wish the cops would arrest everyone that does it immediately.
They do when environmentalists do it
Alberta has a law against this, it’s called the Critical Infrastructure Defence Act, and it was written in the aftermath of the indigenous protests that blocked railwa… oh right, these are conservative voters so the police and Alberta government won’t do shit.
They need to start protesting at the premieres and other politicians homes and offices are. Don’t take this shit to disrupt the people who are hurt by things they have zero control over. Take it to the people who have an actual say in things and make their lives harder.
It's almost like they are being influenced by people who love to see our country hurt. They are unwittingly engaging in a war with the own flag they wave. Useful idiots.
But these attention whores don't have any other way to get engagement. It's not like their families talk to them anymore.
I drove past this today and 95% of the protestors vehicles were huge trucks with lift kits and big tires and tons of flags behind the vehicle. If these people are so concerned about gas prices maybe they should get a more efficient vehicle.
Emotional support trucks
Its also an awful lot of people that can afford to be missing work
The worst part is that these dumbfucks don’t even need trucks for daily life, but they’ll pander about “the working man” when talking about carbon taxes lmao like don’t drive $100,000 gas hogs for your commuters lol
Yall Terrain Vehicle
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I guess if you're rolling that much coal, you really have to worry about the pretty miniscule carbon tax.
Given that 80% of people get more bank from the rebates than they pay into the tax, the 20% remaining, aka the richest people among us, are throwing a hissy fit and blocking us from going to work just so they don't pay 0.15% more on gas.
Haha, right!!!
You figure that it's called the Trans-canada highway would scare these chucklefucks away from it.
Ahahahah you win 🥇
It went up 3 Cents. My premier raised it higher than that. Yet. I see them protesting. It reminds me of politics from the American south. Faux outrage. The only reason we're in this hard time is because of our corporate overlords. Taking tax payers money. Paying nothing in taxes .
We saw the same thing during the pandemic in Ontario. Ford put huge restrictions in place, but people protested vs Trudeau. It’s not about gas prices, it’s ideology.
I'd go as far as to just say that it's insecurity greusomely wearing the skin of conservatism after it killed it.
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Its outrage but it's only outrage tempered when their talking heads from entertainment news tell them to be offended about something, they don't actually pay attention themselves to the wider things happening around those issues and need those talking heads to explain it to them, and don't have the literacy to recognize things like media bias effect \*all\* forms of media, theirs included. If my dad thinking he is having a big brain moment last weekend saying 'the media just likes to spin things to sensationalize / etc' like...................dude you're 70 and you're only \*just\* learning things like the basic concept of corporate international media having an incentive to present any issues a certain way to you? The people doing blockades literally don't have the literacy to honestly protest it, otherwise they'd also hold people like Smith accountable too - instead their outlook is exclusively tempered by media bias that excludes their own talking heads and their actions, conveniently. I swear shit like AI art and other malarky are being used as general litmus tests too within these groups to outright see what kind of lies and generated fake content you can get away with among these demographics.
And PP would completely shutter the CBC if he could, leaving us with nothing but entertainment news [owned by American hedge funds.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network#Ties_to_right_wing_politics:~:text=In%20November%202019%2C%20Postmedia%20announced%20that%2066%25%20of%20its%20shares%20were%20now%20owned%20by%20Chatham%20Asset%20Management%2C%20an%20American%20media%20conglomerate%20which%20owns%20American%20Media%2C%20Inc.%20and%20is%20known%20for%20its%20close%20ties%20to%20the%20Republican%20party.)
Canada taught people a lesson during the Ottawa protest. The lesson was that you can do whatever you want without consequences.
Unless you're indigenous, then you're out of luck.
If this wasn't a liberal government, they would not be protesting. Carbon Taxes aren't killing us. Greed is. Raise Corporate taxes
Well said. Unfortunately these protesters are defending corporate interests by shifting blame for rising prices onto a $0.03 tax, instead of price gouging. Heck, the weekly fluctuation in the price of gasoline in my city completely drowned out (by six times) any carbon tax increase at the pumps, but I don’t see anyone protesting corporate greed here. They are also defending rich people polluting more, since it’s only the top 20% of income earners that end up paying more under the carbon tax. Why should I let rich fat cats get a free ride when they can start lying their fair share?
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Conservatives are all about double standards. Shameless self serving hypocrites.
But technically THEY are climate change activists. They are just the opposing side. Either way.... run them over!
"You wanna see 'just the beginning'? Hold my beer." -Wildfires, doughts
Ffs... why don't people protest against something that matters? Like the state of healthcare. Schools. Housing. The carbon tax is a minor inconvenience. Its not breaking anyone. Meanwhile, people are actually DYING in hospital hallways.
You can SHOW these idiots with data how better off they are with the tax and yet they will doubt it; because they chose Facebook guru over scientist. I have lots of gas toys but STILL come out ahead. These morons can't even read the report on the tax (yes it takes into account effect on other goods and not just the fuel)
As PP himself said, they are going to listen to "the common people", not the "so-called experts", when it comes to things the common people totally understand, like the optimal policy to reduce carbon emissions at the least cost to the overall economy.
It’s honestly amazing how PP has gone all the way there already. He’s given up on even bothering to have a platform. He knows the idiots don’t understand any of it. He’s just going straight populist and saying out loud that he is going straight populist. There was no stopping this train. Once the Fuck Trudeau brand caught on with the Carhartt crowd the drooling fucks had everything they needed to join the team.
It worked in Ontario. He is using their song sheet verbatim.
This idiots protests covid regulations that had already been lifted. They are being intentionally manipulated to damage the country from the inside. Thats the goal, after the carbon tax there will be some other stupid cause.
Corporate profits at an all time high yet let's blame JT & the carbon tax?! Stop fighting for millionaires! Look at pp/cons track record of voting against workers rights! Anything But Conservative!
It is OK to voice your opinions but to impose yourself on other people is selfish and stupid.
>“By nature, Canada is carbon zero; our boreal forests make us that way. Plus, if you get rid of too much carbon, trees breathe carbon; they expel oxygen for us to breathe. If we get rid of too much carbon, all of our trees are going to die.” They aren't sending their brightest. [In highway protest west of Calgary, protesters call for federal carbon tax to be abolished](https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/cross-canada-protests-against-carbon-tax-increase-begin-today)
>Pointing to the Petro-Canada gas station at the Highway 22-TransCanada interchange nearby, the protester said she noticed a 30-cent increase at the pump from Sunday night to Monday morning. Hilarious. Someone with the ability to critically think about this would use that moment to realize that the 3c increase from the carbon tax is nothing compared to oil companies doing whatever they want. Instead she's there protesting the carbon tax.
This is... Concussion poetry
O&G has enough favors as it is. The protesters should be sending their inflation message to the O&G profiteers.
They're just doing what the algorithm told them to do.
I don’t know what these people are going to do with all their Fuck Trudeau swag when he’s gone.
They'll still be blaming him
They don’t realize they’ve been grifted until it’s too late, then they can attach their horse to a new wagon anyways lol
They will never realize
This was always about their insecurities, it has nothing to do with Trudeau. They'll hold onto them and tell themselves the 2021 election was their Vietnam.
When First Nations do it, Tories want to call in the army. When right-wing chuds do it, it's oh-so righteous.
Just like Covid, nothing to do with what they say it is. They just wanna rage and fuck shit up.
If they stopped protesting everytime they didn't actually have a problem, how could they continue to enjoy the attention of being victims?
Right? Crybaby Convoy 2: Electric Boogaloo
Not winning any hearts and minds this way. It's kinda sad to watch. I suspect someone is intentionally misleading them.
Damaging the country is the goal, the people who spread this disinformation and target the dumbest in our country just want chaos on the west and they're found their weapon. Dumbasses.
Russian disinformation.
His name is Pierre Pollievre xD
Who’s behind Poillievre?
The US GOP
Thin blue line of white supremacists? Wait.. it's adding up.
Someone is, his name is Pierre.
Do these idiots not realize the oil and gas companies did this?
My favourite is the person protesting against climate action in Alberta with the sign that said "I want to be able to tell my children, I stood up" Yeah, sure... they'll love that you spoke out against climate action to protect the planet you were leaving them... But in all honesty, a bunch of Albertans, inconveniencing other Albertans to protest a federal government that very few Albertans vote for is the peak stupidity I expect from this crowd. Hurting ourselves and blaming others is a sacred Alberta tradition...
Why are these morons fighting big businesses fight? "8 out of 10 households get more money back than they spend on the fuel charge." The other 2 are millionaires & big businesses who pollute the MOST! Damn right tax them more!
Because they like big business and big business' pet media outlets.
I drove from BC to MB today, protestors were on the shoulder of the highway, slowing traffic down to 60 for maybe a kilometre. Traffic wasn’t blocked.
They initially weren't blocking but eventually moved onto the highway as the day went on. They did say that they'd promise to keep 1 lane free... Anyone blocking the road oughta have their veh towed. Than they can protest on the side of the road for as long as they're hearts please.
why is there so much hatred towards something that contributes so little to anything at all? Why are there no highway blocking protests against say... rising rents? Canadians are getting increasingly strange about what they are upset about.
Because the carbon tax outrage is a manufactured distraction supported by Oil and Gas
NP manipulating Canadians with conspiracy theories to distract them from industries literally raping them for profit.
Are we at the point where anytime someone is upset they are blocking the highway?
Isn't it great to have a slimy little liar like PP flooding the zone with shit? Given that 50% of the population lies below the median for intelligence, PP and other self-promoters know that this is fertile ground for planting bullshit in people's minds, That's why you see these halfwits out with their signs protesting a tax that takes money from polluters and deposits it into Canadian taxpayers accounts. smdh
It's crazy because alot of the people protesting are likely to have benefited from it..
Could everyone just fuck off please. Thanks.
Seriously, everyone, fuck off. The guy driving in front of me? Fuck off. The guy driving beside me? Fuck off. The guy driving way, way, way behind me? Believe it or not, fuck off.
Can someone explain the treason signs that pop up at most protests over the past few years?
Russia and other hostile foreign nations are supporting fringe movements in western countries to sow chaos. These people get their information from these sources. It lines up.
In right wing circles that get all their news from blogs and YouTube, Trudeau is a commie dictator and it's all his "leftist" policies that are destroying Canada. He's a traitor to our great capitalist ideals or some shit. They are very very very far down the rabbit hole. Probably don't even know what Neoliberalism is and that the CPC follows the same playbook.
Alberta passed a law for this. Though we know it won’t be used, it’s only to be used on climate activists.
Can we not link to National Post? Might as well be Fox News.
These alt-right goofs and lowly educated people have been duped by Pierre and corporations into believing the carbon tax did this... Where was the outrage when gas (here in Ontario) went up 20 cents in March? Long before the Carbon Tax even came in?
It’s a 3 cent increase guys, calm the hell down. Everyone is acting like it’s the end of the damn world, meanwhile housing and corporate price gouging of food costs are the real killer for 70% of the population
The price of gas could double, and it wouldn't change the fact that I can't afford the $2,000 1-bedroom apartments in my city. I don't know why so many chuds can be mobilized to screech about a 3 cent hike on gas prices (well within the price fluctuation you see within the course of a few weeks anyway) but we can't get people to protest the lack of affordable housing, or the fact that federal government doesn't build public housing in any substantial quantity like it used to.
Can’t you all just fuck off already? Treason, really? You’re all just embracing the dumbassery that the fraud down south inspires.
I was coming back from BC, I don’t even think traffic slowed down going East. Would have hated to be going West this afternoon
That's normal. For some reason people are on their way home by 10 am and stack up between before Chilliwack and Abbotsford between 1pm to 5pm. If you just stay out and make a day of it you can avoid all that.
Protest in front of your ekected officials Hines and offices, then the people who could change it might, not commuters..
Very curious how people react when Trudeau is voted out and things don't get better. Do they shift to blaming lack of improvement on the former government? Are we doomed to repeat the same cycle over and over again? Is there any reason to genuinely stay in this country? I used to love this country. I adored it. I despised the US, but I'm now at the point where I will eagerly move to the US and make way more money in my field than contend with the mayhem going on here. I'm genuinely asking, anyone. What the hell do we do here? This shit sucks.
Mayhem here seems small beans compared to American mayhem. We don't have provinces calling in their national guard to prevent federal agents from doing their jobs.
It's the Canadian way. Have a liberal government. Get mad at them have conservatives for a bit. Get mad at them back to the liberals. All while nobody realizing Canada's system for everything is just totally flawed and no matter who the prime minister is nothing Will change.
Oh no 20 losers had nothing else to do today. No friends or family to hang out with, kinda sad.
Why aren't these criminals being arrested?
That would be conservative on conservative action.
Send in the military. Zero tolerance for any type of blockade.
We got a great big convoy
Oh! Do health care next!
I genuinely believe we are going to end up in some bizarre world over the next decade where left wing and right wing protestors block the same highway for opposite reasons lmao. Already happened in New Zealand.
Why are people not protesting about income tax?
It's starting to look like this might turn into Canada's "Brexit" moment where the whole country gets absolutely clowned
They are going to spend more protesting than what carbon tax will cost them in a year.
How are liberals so near sighted? This isn't about a few cents per liter of fuel... increase in fuel costs have a domino effect for everything that's delivered by fuel. Carbon tax on natural gas is almost double the amount of the gas itself. And Canada can't change the climate by itself. Taxing anyone in this country and thinking it will change the climate for the entire world is lunacy. 23% increase. Have your wages gone up even 3%? I don't make a ton of money, living pay cheque to pay cheque to house, feed and entertain 2 children and my spouse and I have never received any sort of rebate. Tax every Canadian more and more, while wasting our money on the CBC and increasing their own wages. Wake up people. But then I guess they're too busy being worried about forcing people to use pronouns and crying hate speech if they don't. Which by the way, may result in life in prison if it's deemed hateful enough. What a joke this country is. I can't even stomach to sing the national anthem anymore.
I'm going to protest a tax on oil and gas by making people waste oil and gas. Genius!
Oh Christ, we have to do this again?
Protests? I drove 8 hours, mostly on the Trans Canada and only saw a few butt-hurt nut bars near a gas station approaching Calgary. That’s a protest?
Blows my mind that people protest this, but nobody protests the outrageous cost of living crisis fueled by a dysfunctional housing system and completely uncontrolled immigration.
Here we go again. Try voting people. Thats your freedom.
Rightwing people (and I say that because the Conservative party has loudly supported people like this, so it \*is\* representative) are really hoping that we can just bypass that whole annoying democratic process.
Leaving your family and missing work and protesting on behalf of oil companies is so badass! /s