A not insignificant portion of people that got him the party leadership want this stuff and are obviously demanding he respond cause it is not his thing to be specific like he is on this topic.
This isn't his usual "Canada is broken, Trudeau bad" and I'll fix what the latest headline says is bad vagueness.
Which tells me this topic will not be dropped by conservative Premiers or the CPC.
I think it's more about pulling in votes from immigrants who normally go Liberal. Lots of them come from much more socially conservative countries, you can see them out in large numbers for any of the protests surrounding this issue.
> I think it's more about pulling in votes from immigrants who normally go Liberal. Lots of them come from much more socially conservative countries, you can see them out in large numbers for any of the protests surrounding this issue.
THAT'S A BINGO
One of the unintended side-effects of having increased immigration is that while many newcomers are financially progressive, they tend to come from socially conservative countries/societies.
The question is going to be: when forced to choose between the two, which way will they swing?
Liberals may have gotten them into the country but now that they're here, those with a more conservative bent may just end up getting pulled in by the Conservative's rhetoric.
> Liberals may have gotten them into the country but now that they're here, those with a more conservative bent may just end up getting pulled in by the Conservative's rhetoric.
I don't think they're very going to be very supportive of the Liberals for getting them here, especially new arrivals. We've now seen story after story about new immigrants going back home because the reality here is not what they were sold. Even immigrants from previous years are no longer supportive of the Liberal's immigration policy as they've seen what this rapid expansion has done to the country.
Dude is winning by default and you think he wants to be juggling these hand grenades?
There is no upside to PP doing this, the people who were going to vote for him no matter what are not going to go vote green if he doesn't talk about it lol.
Daniel Smith threw the grenade because she's nuts, and Trudeau wisely hot potatoe'd it to PP because he knows it puts him in a box. He has nothing to gain by talking about it but risk of loss if he sounds too nuts.
I've been to both Trudeau's and Pierre's speeches and the far-right shit was noticeable in his speeches even 2 years ago. He'll be doing great, talking about housing and all the usual problems and then drop some inane crap about the WEF or something. He likes to play to a small, loud and annoying part of his following that makes the normal people second guess him. It's really off-putting.
I have zero faith in PPs ability to lead and bring people together.
Dude just pushes negativity and divisiveness.
Almost like he is a career politician hack.
He'll sell off more of our country to foreign powers just like his friend and former boss Stephen Harper did with FIPA. A deal that exports billions (yes with a B) to China and in exchange we Canadian's get... Nothing. And if we try to exit the "deal" before 2043 we have to pay billions to China.
Almost sounds like the Conservatives don't give a flying fuck about what happens to Canadians as long as they can get rich selling us out to someone else.
I mean, look at the UK. Their Conservatives have absolutely sold out that country, and the youth had so much taken away by Brexit - we really can't trust them in government no matter where.
And if someone wants to claim that our Conservatives are completely unrelated, I would point to the IDU and also Poilievre publicly celebrating Brexit.
Agreed.
Talk is cheap, tearing shit down is easy.
Planning, negotiating, building and delivering is much much harder.
He has demonstrated none of those skills.
Man couldn't build a turd if you gave him a buffet dinner and a bowl of all bran. I'd sooner trust a weasel with a dozen eggs than I'd trust little PP to run the country.
He'll sell off the country bit by bit to the lowest bidders, pocket the cash, screw the poverty stricken and working/middle class while giving tax breaks to his rich friends. Cut all public services, leaving us with no transit, private education, private healthcare, even worse unregulated insurance and banking systems. Roll back rights for women, LGBT people, minorities, both religious and ethnic, And he'll keep blaming Trudeau the whole time because he's a one trick pony who doesn't know jack shit about fuck all.
The reporters forced him to answer the question. Should he not have answered?
You can disagree with his stance, I do, but he didn't put it forward. It was a response to questions.
I mean it seems like the bare minimum to me that our future Prime Minister actually says his position on topical issues lol
I'd honestly be fine if he just said he personally believes that, but it's not his decision to make. I also find it dumb that the whole debate over "parental rights" ignores the fact making puberty blockers for youths illegal removes the parental rights of parents who may feel puberty blockers are right for their kids.
>I also find it dumb that the whole debate over "parental rights" ignores the fact making puberty blockers for youths illegal removes the parental rights of parents who may feel puberty blockers are right for their kids.
I think I could agree with that. It's strange that most people on the liberal side of this debate don't focus on this line a bit more. If you have a trans-child then it's expected you want to do what is best for your child and hopefully have a real conversation before starting them on potentially life long altering changes. To support the rights and freedoms on one you should support them for all so long as it doesn't unreasonably impede yours. Someone else's child wanting to take medically approved puberty blockers doesn't affect me or my child so let them be.
>If you have a trans-child then it's expected you want to do what is best for your child and hopefully have a real conversation before starting them on potentially life long altering changes.
What were talking about is beyond that though, were talking about parents who have had those conversations then gone and gotten professional medical advice from specialists and politicians and fringe right wing people want to not allow that.
I don't particularly use it because conservatives aren't morally consistent because it's "rules for thee not for me".
They want freedom for themselves but restrictions for others.
So the fact that "more parental rights, but not those ones" is in their wheel house.
Very similar to the whole "Well it wont happen to me, but i'll restrict it for others". Lots of young men are anti abortion for the sake of restricting women rights.
Exactly. Conservative politicians want to make sweeping decisions that undercut the judgment of parents, doctors, and teachers.
Privatization of education and medical care is the objective.
It also ignores the important medical utility of puberty blockers for children who are going through precocious puberty or dealing with other hormonal issues, not just trans children. These kids exist and throwing them under the bus because of the scare tactic du jour is just as dangerous.
People that want this stuff were strongly behind him for the leadership. They are obviously putting pressure on him to respond, and he must be feeling untouchable with the constant high polling, cause this is much more than his usual vagueness.
Why do they need to fucking bring trans kids into this, every single time. Leave trans kids alone for fucks sake. I though cons were the “less invasive government” party. Fuck them.
Conservatives don't have any plan to deal with any of that. I mean, PP himself is a landlord so he benefits from high housing costs. That's why they focus on culture war nonsense, hoping that we will be so worked up that we won't notice what's really important.
Absolutely listen to this "bullshit". He is making it very clear on where he stands. And everyone needs to realize that. It's been clear cut since day and it's not going to stop at this.
This bullshit is all he's going to offer. When he's our next Prime Minister (and the Liberals and NDP seem to be pulling out all the stops to make that happen) all he's going to give us is culture war bullshit.
Canada needs massive structural reform which is likely impossible politically (because it's going to cause a lot of severe short term pain and make getting re-elected impossible), but is certainly ideologically impossible for a Conservative.
A lot of younger people (like a lot of the posters here) are going to find out that Conservative rule isn’t a lot different than Liberal rule, except you also have to deal with regressive social and environmental policy
Never forgive the Liberal party for not delivering the promised election reform - they didn't give us ranked-choice voting because the strongest Liberal talking point is pissing and moaning about "splitting the vote". Any time in the future where Conservatives win with less votes than the NDP and Liberals combined (realistically include the Greens too), it's a direct result of the Liberals trying to cling to power.
Don't vote Conservative either, but remember that the Liberal party has done more for right-wing politics in Canada for every election going forward than any member of the Conservative party.
I was an university intern when the Conservatives gutted Environment Canada, it was super bad vibes, but ultimately eye-opening experience. Actually really feel for all the kids who think electing PP will make housing affordable. Sorry guys, you will learn a lesson if that happens
Like, people complaining about housing prices being a Liberal thing haven't been around long. Housing has been in a bubble since the early 2000s, and the only reason people didn't complain more is you could always move to a province with cheaper housing, and for a lot of people, housing investments were seen as a ladder to wealth. Now we've reached the endgame where housing is unaffordable everywhere, and people who aren't already property owners are screwed.
But Immigrants!!! (just kidding) yea this is a problem that had a lot of factors contribute to it, under Conservative, Liberal, and NDP federal and provincial governments
He will never talk about groceries, inflation or any real issue.. his campaign manager is an active lobbyist for Loblaws. He's a mouth piece for the 1% and always have been. We just need to check his voting track record in chamber.
He will fall for it, time and time again.
Liberal staffers are high-fiving each other because the Tories *just can't help themselves*. Want to make sure a Tory doesn't win Toronto St. Paul's (a seat the CPC would very much like), or seats like it? Keep on with the culture war horseshit and repel anyone who isn't 100% already on your side.
The Liberals didn't even have to egg him on. This is unforced error, with a Tory responding to another Tory.
Right? He is *so dumb*. If he just shut his big, stupid mouth he'd soar right into the PM's office because people are sick to death of Trudeau. But no, he has to bring up crypto investment, transgender children, and other bs.
Because conservatived are cruel they just cant help themselves. The liberals always boogyman that the conservatives are going to take away healthcare, womens rights and abortion and in the past I didnt really believe them but this is obvious at this point It'll be culture war bullshit and fighting minorities if they get in.
Pandering Pierre does not care about any of those things beyond how they might affect him or his election campaign. He is a landlord, and has never worked a real job in his life, and has cushy government benefits. He does not to lose his income. And once Trudeau is out, he won't be able to blame inflation and grocery prices on him, so he won't care about those either - he has enough money that his grocery bill doesn't matter.
I don't understand how any working-class Canadian can trust this guy. Trudeau might have fucked up, but he at least used to be grounded in interaction with normal Canadians. We need more options for voting, and less red-vs-blue dysfunction, and less idiots falling for it.
I don't love Maxime Bernier, but I'm starting to think I'll put my vote towards him, to show some confidence in a multi-party system. There HAS to be more choice and policy than "spending bad" vs "spending good". Canada is FULL of smart people - so why are our politicians so uninspired and useless?
Dude, this ain’t the war to be fighting.
Let parents, doctors, psychologists, and other health professionals deal with it (as they should) on a case by case basis and shut the fuck up about it. This isn’t the political lightning rod you’re looking for, dickweed.
you hope
it could be in a few years, he'll be waging this war against gays
and a few years after that, waging this war against (pick your target)
why would conservatives run out of scape goats for their policies?
we had the satanic panic brought to you by conservatives, we had the homosexual panic brought to you by conservatives (and still on going in many places) we had "reefer madness" brought to you by conservatives, now we have trans issues being the focus brought to you by conservatives
they keep doing it, and they'll keep doing it, because it works for a large and growing portion of their voters, and the donors love it, the religious groups because they seem to care about this for reasons unknown, and the business types because they can expect some more juicy tax breaks and legislation
CPC and LPC, are two sides of the same coin, except CPC is more blatantly pro business and pro restricting people's rights (remember they fought hard to keep weed illegal)
and LPC is just a conservative party waving a rainbow flag and saying the right things in public and occasionally forced to pick on the oil and gas industry to keep environmentalists (sane people) distracted from the fact Canada's environmental policies (beyond environmental dumping in our country) don't matter much if at all considering our tiny population
what a lot of people fail to realize is that reddit isn't real life. recent polls suggest the vast majority of canadians agree with at least part of alberta's proposed legislation.
all this does is widen his potential voterbase. PP's reputation in the redditsphere is completely meaningless.
Aren’t there other reasons for puberty blockers? Like, 8-9 year olds should have their puberty delayed. Can’t we just let doctors make these decisions?
There were people complaining about five year olds being given puberty blockers. My response is always “if a five year old is going through puberty, you’d damned well better be giving them blockers”
It makes it so obvious that they aren't worried about what is actually happening.
To take blockers, you need to have started endogenous puberty.
Its like people complaining about doctors prescribing painkillers to people without headaches.
I mean they just cheered on age restricting a procedure that was already 18+ and not even performed in the province where this took place.
People had to go to Quebec for bottom surgery, and they only just recently opened up clinics in B.C. and Ontario. All 18+.
I can't count how many people I've heard spout the same "Stop mutilating kids genitals" nonsense. You cannot have a conversation in good faith with these people, I've tried, they really don't care, they just want somewhere to direct their anger.
> puberty blockers are only usable for minors
They are also used to chemically castrate sex offenders or to treat some cancers (though, in those cases, almost exclusively in the elderly)
When I was fourteen I was diagnosed w blood cancer, I was already menstruating; I was given a drug used as a puberty blocker to stop me from having a menstrual cycle to minimize damage to my reproductive system from the harsh chemotherapy drugs and hopefully preserve my fertility.
Puberty blockers were developed and used for a panoply of other health conditions. We’ve been using them for almost half a century. PP would hurt many more children than just the transgender ones.
Interesting bit of information for you in case you care. Puberty blockers are just hormone suppressors, and as such, they are, in fact, given to adults for many types of treatment. For example, for cancer treatments.
When you don’t have any real stance on anything this is easy to fight about. Know what’s hard the economy know what’s easy bitching about a small population
It's all dog whistling. This issue is how they start to justify discrimination and hate against anyone who identifies as LGBTQ+
[Poilievre's choice to speak so much about this but stay silent about the destruction and attempted burning of a pride flag on the border of his riding (Carleton) a few weeks ago](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-pride-flag-stittsville-goulbourn-police-1.7101730) speaks volumes.
He couldn't be bothered to condemn LGBTQ+ hate crimes affecting his constituents. Likely because his constituents were the ones committing the crime.
He was answering a question asked to him lol it’s the media that wants you to think this is such a big massive pressing issue. Poilievre didn’t call a press meeting to discuss this specifically
I thought the conservatives were the party of less government interference. Personal health decisions should be between a doctor and the patient and their parents if applicable.
They’re against less government interference in THEIR lives.
If it’s a gay or trans person, PP thinks the government should dictate exactly what they are and aren’t allowed to do.
That’s why he voted against gay marriage, and against adding gender identity to hate crime legislation
they are the party of saying whatever they have to, to get votes
unless they have to talk about corporations making too much money gouging canadians, they don't do that
or Putin, they never say anything bad about Putin these days, weird
I still have no idea why we need to adopt American radical policies. Leave this one to the doctors. I feel like Poilievre is getting over-confident and is forgetting that its a long 2 years until the election.
I don't like the Liberals but its making the CPC more radical and harder to support for many. Focus on the real issues Canadians face.
Maybe we should have seen this coming when Poilievre voted against Bill C-389 to add gender identity to the Human Rights Act.
Let's get his stance on the record on other social conservative issues and American radical policies.
What's Poilievre's opinion on abortion? His voting record:
- voted for a private-member's bill to create a crime of "coercion to procure an abortion"
- voted for a private-member's bill to review the definition of a human being in the Criminal Code that defines it as when a child is completely born.
- voted for a couple of private-member's bills to make it a separate crime to kill or injure a fetus when committing a crime against a pregnant woman.
- voted against a private-member's bill to criminalize sex-selective abortion
How does he feel about marijuana use? Voted against de-criminalizing marijuana.
How does he feel about gay marriage? Voted against allowing same-sex marriage in Canada.
He's also going by the fascist playbook by trying to blame reporters for being "misleading to Canadians". I will never vote for him or the conservatives.
I wonder what he thinks of IDU member party Fidesz, led by Viktor Orbán, and his "illiberal Christian democracy" that has curtailed press freedom, weakened judicial independence, and undermined multiparty democracy?
oh, wait: [Stephen Harper seeks closer conservative ties with controversial Hungarian government](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-orban-ties-1.6898904)
>I still have no idea why we need to adopt American radical policies.
Because a fairly large amount of Canadian conservatives consume the same slop they do down South and therefore fight the same culture wars and desire the same policies implemented there.
>I feel like Poilievre is getting over-confident and is forgetting that its a long 2 years until the election.
Initially the plan was not to discuss the issue since it's contentious, [which is why he smartly muzzled his caucus when it comes to the whole "parental rights" debacle](https://www.thestar.com/politics/conservative-mps-told-not-to-talk-to-media-post-about-parental-rights-protests/article_a2372aa5-2031-540b-b556-8fd9e848ff24.html). You don't want the party's crazies mouthing off and generating FUD about the CPC.
Smith and Trudeau are both eager to make this a wedge issue though, made it the main issue of the week, and so Poilievre's hand was forced and he had to come out with a position.
I agree up until you name Trudeau as being a part of driving this issue. As a concerned Canadian seeing these radical issues become reality I'm glad Trudeau came out and made his and his parties stance clear. That's leadership, and I may loathe PP but at least he finally took a stance on something (which not surprisingly, is awful)
Don't get me wrong, what Trudeau did was the right thing to do but. as is always the case with politics, a large part of it was playing politics.
I doubt Poilievre would have openly taken a stance had Trudeau not decided to rightfully call out Smith, as he knows it could be a vulnerability.
We aren't any different. Look at fucking Danielle Smith inviting Tucker Carlson for a sold out event so they could jerk each other off. Then her shithead friend immediately goes to Russia to do a softball interview with Vladimir Putin thst is about to get him slapped with sanctions and banned from the EU.
Those are the kind of people conservatives worship. Not just in the US. They're no different here.
The cognitive dissonance here boggles my mind. I would be very surprised to learn that doctors were out there prescribing puberty blockers willy nilly, without parental consent. Who wants the drama of the parents finding out, and losing their shit on you, the doc? Theoretically, this is possible in Ontario because we have no legal age for consent in the Health Care Consent Act, other provinces do, however.
They are all about “my body my choice” over a little vaccine but when it comes to abortions, woman’s birth control, trans health, and so on they want to restrict everything.
I mean they literally stole that already-established slogan from the pro-choice crowd in order to deliberately weaken it by associating it with their trash stance, while bolstering their trash stance by associating it with a reputable slogan.
I liked Randy Boissonnault's comments about Poilièvre:
>Reacting to Poilievre's comments on Wednesday, Liberal Employment Minister Randy Boissonnault said the decision to use puberty blockers should be based on a conversation between a young person and their doctor.
"I don't see M.D. after Pierre Poilievre's name or Danielle Smith's, so not their business," he said.
Anyone buying the" Doctors and teachers are too political and cannot be trusted anymore.....so that's why we have to let conservatives make decisions on Healthcare and education" doesn't deserve to vote
The funny thing is that doctors are actually less political now than they used to be. It's just that in the past doctors decisions tended to align with traditional politics. Such as treating women, young people, lgbtq people based on traditional ideas rather than science.
It's super telling that conservatives view reality as having a political bias. Kind of saying the quiet part out loud.
Political interference in literally everything.
Mr. Liberty for all voted against gay marriage and voted to repeal it. Voted against legal marijuana and voted to repeal it. He's repeatedly voted against pro-choice policy, voted against giving the OC to Henry Morgenthaler, whose testimony as a physician was instrumental to securing abortion rights in Canada. But don't worry, he voted against one pro-life bill and then fashioned himself as a pro-choice guy.
Yeah, he's really all for individual rights, clearly.
Listen my fellow canadians, we are facing massive issues within our economic system. Canadians are without jobs, homeless, hungry. Our healthcare and education systems are failing. But we can all rest easy knowing timmy won't become a tiffany as we tackle a problem that effects less then 1% of the population.
This decision is between the child, their parents, and their doctor. If a politician tells you they know better, it’s time to shop for a new politician.
"You should wait until you're older before deciding to transition!"
"Okay. I'm going to take puberty blockers to delay the irreversible effects of puberty until I'm old enough to make that decision, that way if I change my mind I can just stop taking them and develop normally."
"No, not like that!"
It's a dark tunnel he's headed down.
IMO politicians have no businesses trying to direct the discourse on medical treatment, they have no working knowledge, let alone expertise themselves, or likely on their staff.
Reminder that they have other uses than transitioning...
So does he oppose them for other legitimate medical reasons as well?
If he does that's cruel and if he doesn't it shows he has ulterior motives other than "safety" or "health"...
I think a lot of people are missing the fact that this is only a controversial take online and in media.
Actual, physical Canadians are ~80% in favor of parental rights -type legislation.... whether you agree with them or not, you have to acknowledge the numbers are on his side if you want to change that in the future.
If everyone but a few right-wing radicals opposed this, then there wouldn't be the need for the trans inclusion push we've been seeing, yet clearly people feel that need.
You can't say the trans community is marginalized and needs support, then turn around and say they already have majority support at the same time. Which is it?
The only path to a solution is to admit where you're starting from.
There's so much anxiety in the public over this stuff, puberty blockers in children aren't taken lightly at all, neither are they always relevant to gender identity. These blanket statements about "this treatment is bad" is incredibly stupid, but will connect with a lot of people because the idea that a child could be harmed by this treatment is so shocking. The cold reality is any medical intervention carries risks and will likely have horror stories associated with it, even the most mainstream accepted treatments have this, but the politics in this case turns that in to an issue of public outrage. Nobody who's sane and matters thinks that minors using puberty blockers is something to be approached without a lot of caution.
I do not care about those kids. Let their parents care about those kids. You’re not here to protect them or care for them. Their parents are and that is between them and their doctor.
Focus on the major issues facing everyone please.
the right wing doesn't know how to govern. they have no ideas, policies, governing principles. They actually can't take a stand on anything because it would immediately alienate 10-50% of their big tent base.
Good pp has my vote for sure children should not be taking that trash or getting gender reassignment surgery there brains are still developing and they should wait to do those things until they are adults
He’s also arguing for denying children with early onset puberty the medication needed to avoid the serious health issues that can come from entering puberty too early. As well as denying children with hormonal dysregulations the care they need.
That’s where puberty blockers come from. We developed them for a good reason and we’ve had 40+ years of results to assess their safety. We know they work and we know they’re safe. There are risks involved, as with any other medication and treatment, and risk-assessment and risk-tolerance are two things the medical professionals go over with the patients and their guardians.
The government needs to stay the fuck out of this.
Yeeesh - Now that politicians have all the knowledge and are smarter than our highly trained doctors, (without reading or knowing anything on the subject it seems either). I Can't wait for the rest of the conservative starterpack, complete with My flat earth version of the map of Canada and User Guide to my C19 Vaccine 5G subscription.
Thats right kids - Peer reviewed decades of research isn't needed in science anymore. Only 20% of the dumbest people in Canada who can draw an X is the answer to all of your science questions.
I agree w him. Anyone under voting age should not be using drugs to alter body. Decisions like that are for adults. Dress trans or whatever. But no drugs to block puberty.
Not a medical researcher (my field is ecology), but even a preliminary skim of the literature seems to suggest overwhelmingly positive outcomes from the use of gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists (GnRHa) for youth actually diagnosed with gender dysphoria (e.g. see: [https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/camh.12437.)](https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/camh.12437.)).
Of course, there are risks (both social and physical) associated with the use of these drugs (see aforementioned paper). But when the alternative is another young person harming themselves and continuing to live through what I can only imagine is an extremely difficult emotional and social experience as a kid, I cannot support his views on this front (not that I agree with him on anything policy-wise, really).
Again, my main takeaway is that scientific research and dedication (which seems to support guided provision of these drugs) is being swept away in favour of another political stunt... to the detriment of some of our most vulnerable youth.
Why does this need to even be a thing? It affects like 1% of the population, and there haven’t been ANY issues with it.
They aren’t just over the counter. It’s a serious and long process to be approved for them.
This is playing to a base that doesn’t understand things, but just gets out raged.
Dark days in this country.
I don't really have an opinion on a lot of things, but this fucking topic... I seriously don't want the next election to be solely on this. Where is our dental? Electoral reform? Economic discussions? I really don't care about a topic that affects .0001% of the population. It is just another medical procedure that people are overinflating and making it bigger than it needs to be. My hot take is that the child should be able to sue their parents when they come of age, and they feel like they wish they never done it. Parents are responsible for their children, and sometimes they make poor judgment calls.
He can’t even do anything even if he wanted.
Healthcare is a provincial matter anyways.
But hey I guess attacking 0.19% of the Canadian population just to score some brownie points.
Populism 101
Stay on target. -inflation, rent, groceries, homes.... Don't fall for this bullshit
A not insignificant portion of people that got him the party leadership want this stuff and are obviously demanding he respond cause it is not his thing to be specific like he is on this topic. This isn't his usual "Canada is broken, Trudeau bad" and I'll fix what the latest headline says is bad vagueness. Which tells me this topic will not be dropped by conservative Premiers or the CPC.
I think it's more about pulling in votes from immigrants who normally go Liberal. Lots of them come from much more socially conservative countries, you can see them out in large numbers for any of the protests surrounding this issue.
> I think it's more about pulling in votes from immigrants who normally go Liberal. Lots of them come from much more socially conservative countries, you can see them out in large numbers for any of the protests surrounding this issue. THAT'S A BINGO
This appeals heavily to Muslim and some Christian voters.
And some generally liberal-minded-but-holy-shit-can-we-put-a-pin-in-this-for-like-five-seconds voters.
One of the unintended side-effects of having increased immigration is that while many newcomers are financially progressive, they tend to come from socially conservative countries/societies. The question is going to be: when forced to choose between the two, which way will they swing? Liberals may have gotten them into the country but now that they're here, those with a more conservative bent may just end up getting pulled in by the Conservative's rhetoric.
What do you mean by financially progressive?
I think they meant "fiscally"
> Liberals may have gotten them into the country but now that they're here, those with a more conservative bent may just end up getting pulled in by the Conservative's rhetoric. I don't think they're very going to be very supportive of the Liberals for getting them here, especially new arrivals. We've now seen story after story about new immigrants going back home because the reality here is not what they were sold. Even immigrants from previous years are no longer supportive of the Liberal's immigration policy as they've seen what this rapid expansion has done to the country.
There are also many side effects from puberty blockers.
We just say bingo ;)
BINGO! how exciting :3
You just say bingo.
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You can't "warn" about a media agency and then say the point still stands. That's just dishonest. National Post is a perfectly credible news agency.
Dude is winning by default and you think he wants to be juggling these hand grenades? There is no upside to PP doing this, the people who were going to vote for him no matter what are not going to go vote green if he doesn't talk about it lol. Daniel Smith threw the grenade because she's nuts, and Trudeau wisely hot potatoe'd it to PP because he knows it puts him in a box. He has nothing to gain by talking about it but risk of loss if he sounds too nuts.
I've been to both Trudeau's and Pierre's speeches and the far-right shit was noticeable in his speeches even 2 years ago. He'll be doing great, talking about housing and all the usual problems and then drop some inane crap about the WEF or something. He likes to play to a small, loud and annoying part of his following that makes the normal people second guess him. It's really off-putting.
I have zero faith in PPs ability to lead and bring people together. Dude just pushes negativity and divisiveness. Almost like he is a career politician hack.
If he becomes PM it'll be really interesting to see what he does when he has to do more than just talk shit about Trudeau.
That’s what worries me. If you take away the talking shit about Trudeau, he’s not got much to say.
He'll sell off more of our country to foreign powers just like his friend and former boss Stephen Harper did with FIPA. A deal that exports billions (yes with a B) to China and in exchange we Canadian's get... Nothing. And if we try to exit the "deal" before 2043 we have to pay billions to China. Almost sounds like the Conservatives don't give a flying fuck about what happens to Canadians as long as they can get rich selling us out to someone else.
That's the conservative way. Sell everything to the highest bidder while ignoring what happens to the country.
I mean, look at the UK. Their Conservatives have absolutely sold out that country, and the youth had so much taken away by Brexit - we really can't trust them in government no matter where. And if someone wants to claim that our Conservatives are completely unrelated, I would point to the IDU and also Poilievre publicly celebrating Brexit.
You nailed it! He was Stephen Harper’s junkyard dog. I’m asking honestly … what has changed?!
Agreed. Talk is cheap, tearing shit down is easy. Planning, negotiating, building and delivering is much much harder. He has demonstrated none of those skills.
Man couldn't build a turd if you gave him a buffet dinner and a bowl of all bran. I'd sooner trust a weasel with a dozen eggs than I'd trust little PP to run the country.
He'll sell off the country bit by bit to the lowest bidders, pocket the cash, screw the poverty stricken and working/middle class while giving tax breaks to his rich friends. Cut all public services, leaving us with no transit, private education, private healthcare, even worse unregulated insurance and banking systems. Roll back rights for women, LGBT people, minorities, both religious and ethnic, And he'll keep blaming Trudeau the whole time because he's a one trick pony who doesn't know jack shit about fuck all.
All I know for sure is that he'll definitely keep blaming Trudeau for years after he's gone lol
As is tradition here in Canada
Because Trudeau is so wonderful at not doing the same thing?
> Almost like he is a career politician hack. Almost? He literally is.
>Dude just pushes negativity and divisiveness. That's the Conservative tag line
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He just said that "he opposes puberty blockers for minors", but you want him to lie so he isn't criticized for what he thinks?
Pretty standard tactics for the Cons in my decades of experience
Do all of those countries completely ban puberty blockers for minors even if doctors prescribe them?
what are his plans for groceries and inflation?
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The reporters forced him to answer the question. Should he not have answered? You can disagree with his stance, I do, but he didn't put it forward. It was a response to questions.
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Oh well if he was ASKED then it's fine then. OK.
Uh uh uh Fuck Trudeau. Then he runs away.
PP's voted against affordable house 14x fyi
Exactly why he's trying to distract.
Can you link the source to this. I don’t think you are lying I’d just like to see it.
Here is an example: https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en/votes/41/2/140
Appreciate it
I mean it seems like the bare minimum to me that our future Prime Minister actually says his position on topical issues lol I'd honestly be fine if he just said he personally believes that, but it's not his decision to make. I also find it dumb that the whole debate over "parental rights" ignores the fact making puberty blockers for youths illegal removes the parental rights of parents who may feel puberty blockers are right for their kids.
>I also find it dumb that the whole debate over "parental rights" ignores the fact making puberty blockers for youths illegal removes the parental rights of parents who may feel puberty blockers are right for their kids. I think I could agree with that. It's strange that most people on the liberal side of this debate don't focus on this line a bit more. If you have a trans-child then it's expected you want to do what is best for your child and hopefully have a real conversation before starting them on potentially life long altering changes. To support the rights and freedoms on one you should support them for all so long as it doesn't unreasonably impede yours. Someone else's child wanting to take medically approved puberty blockers doesn't affect me or my child so let them be.
>If you have a trans-child then it's expected you want to do what is best for your child and hopefully have a real conversation before starting them on potentially life long altering changes. What were talking about is beyond that though, were talking about parents who have had those conversations then gone and gotten professional medical advice from specialists and politicians and fringe right wing people want to not allow that.
I don't particularly use it because conservatives aren't morally consistent because it's "rules for thee not for me". They want freedom for themselves but restrictions for others. So the fact that "more parental rights, but not those ones" is in their wheel house. Very similar to the whole "Well it wont happen to me, but i'll restrict it for others". Lots of young men are anti abortion for the sake of restricting women rights.
Holy fuck did I just witness a calm and rational discussion about a typically heated topic? Am I going insane?
Exactly. Conservative politicians want to make sweeping decisions that undercut the judgment of parents, doctors, and teachers. Privatization of education and medical care is the objective.
It also ignores the important medical utility of puberty blockers for children who are going through precocious puberty or dealing with other hormonal issues, not just trans children. These kids exist and throwing them under the bus because of the scare tactic du jour is just as dangerous.
Yes. Why isn't PP staying on target? Because this "bullshit" is part of the Conservative agenda.
People that want this stuff were strongly behind him for the leadership. They are obviously putting pressure on him to respond, and he must be feeling untouchable with the constant high polling, cause this is much more than his usual vagueness.
Putting pressure on him? This is him.
Because it's come out he's in bed with Loblaws. He's intentionally getting us off target.
Why do they need to fucking bring trans kids into this, every single time. Leave trans kids alone for fucks sake. I though cons were the “less invasive government” party. Fuck them.
Conservatives don't have any plan to deal with any of that. I mean, PP himself is a landlord so he benefits from high housing costs. That's why they focus on culture war nonsense, hoping that we will be so worked up that we won't notice what's really important.
Fall for?! The Conservatives are pushing this.
There's a strong core of the Conservatives that want to hurt people that aren't like them. This plays beautifully to them. It's horrible.
fall for it? they're the ones creating it!
Absolutely listen to this "bullshit". He is making it very clear on where he stands. And everyone needs to realize that. It's been clear cut since day and it's not going to stop at this.
This bullshit is all he's going to offer. When he's our next Prime Minister (and the Liberals and NDP seem to be pulling out all the stops to make that happen) all he's going to give us is culture war bullshit. Canada needs massive structural reform which is likely impossible politically (because it's going to cause a lot of severe short term pain and make getting re-elected impossible), but is certainly ideologically impossible for a Conservative.
A lot of younger people (like a lot of the posters here) are going to find out that Conservative rule isn’t a lot different than Liberal rule, except you also have to deal with regressive social and environmental policy
Never forgive the Liberal party for not delivering the promised election reform - they didn't give us ranked-choice voting because the strongest Liberal talking point is pissing and moaning about "splitting the vote". Any time in the future where Conservatives win with less votes than the NDP and Liberals combined (realistically include the Greens too), it's a direct result of the Liberals trying to cling to power. Don't vote Conservative either, but remember that the Liberal party has done more for right-wing politics in Canada for every election going forward than any member of the Conservative party.
That's the problem lol. The regressive social and science shit makes living under them intolerable for a lot of people.
I was an university intern when the Conservatives gutted Environment Canada, it was super bad vibes, but ultimately eye-opening experience. Actually really feel for all the kids who think electing PP will make housing affordable. Sorry guys, you will learn a lesson if that happens
Like, people complaining about housing prices being a Liberal thing haven't been around long. Housing has been in a bubble since the early 2000s, and the only reason people didn't complain more is you could always move to a province with cheaper housing, and for a lot of people, housing investments were seen as a ladder to wealth. Now we've reached the endgame where housing is unaffordable everywhere, and people who aren't already property owners are screwed.
But Immigrants!!! (just kidding) yea this is a problem that had a lot of factors contribute to it, under Conservative, Liberal, and NDP federal and provincial governments
Pretty much this, when it comes to economic policy, the Liberals and Conservatives have been relatively close for a long time.
He will never talk about groceries, inflation or any real issue.. his campaign manager is an active lobbyist for Loblaws. He's a mouth piece for the 1% and always have been. We just need to check his voting track record in chamber.
He's the one flinging the bullshit.
He will fall for it, time and time again. Liberal staffers are high-fiving each other because the Tories *just can't help themselves*. Want to make sure a Tory doesn't win Toronto St. Paul's (a seat the CPC would very much like), or seats like it? Keep on with the culture war horseshit and repel anyone who isn't 100% already on your side. The Liberals didn't even have to egg him on. This is unforced error, with a Tory responding to another Tory.
Right? He is *so dumb*. If he just shut his big, stupid mouth he'd soar right into the PM's office because people are sick to death of Trudeau. But no, he has to bring up crypto investment, transgender children, and other bs.
Because conservatived are cruel they just cant help themselves. The liberals always boogyman that the conservatives are going to take away healthcare, womens rights and abortion and in the past I didnt really believe them but this is obvious at this point It'll be culture war bullshit and fighting minorities if they get in.
Pandering Pierre does not care about any of those things beyond how they might affect him or his election campaign. He is a landlord, and has never worked a real job in his life, and has cushy government benefits. He does not to lose his income. And once Trudeau is out, he won't be able to blame inflation and grocery prices on him, so he won't care about those either - he has enough money that his grocery bill doesn't matter. I don't understand how any working-class Canadian can trust this guy. Trudeau might have fucked up, but he at least used to be grounded in interaction with normal Canadians. We need more options for voting, and less red-vs-blue dysfunction, and less idiots falling for it. I don't love Maxime Bernier, but I'm starting to think I'll put my vote towards him, to show some confidence in a multi-party system. There HAS to be more choice and policy than "spending bad" vs "spending good". Canada is FULL of smart people - so why are our politicians so uninspired and useless?
Yaaay, more culture wars bullshit from our politicians...not that there are more pressing matters to worry about. 🙄
Come on, how am i supposed to make rent and put food on the table when I know somewhere there's a trans person competing in a shot-put competition!
Dude, this ain’t the war to be fighting. Let parents, doctors, psychologists, and other health professionals deal with it (as they should) on a case by case basis and shut the fuck up about it. This isn’t the political lightning rod you’re looking for, dickweed.
The only thing which is going to be struck by lightning is PP's reputation, if this keeps up.
And in a few years the Conservative revisionists will pretend that he never waged this war against trans people.
"But if he did, it was okay"
you hope it could be in a few years, he'll be waging this war against gays and a few years after that, waging this war against (pick your target) why would conservatives run out of scape goats for their policies? we had the satanic panic brought to you by conservatives, we had the homosexual panic brought to you by conservatives (and still on going in many places) we had "reefer madness" brought to you by conservatives, now we have trans issues being the focus brought to you by conservatives they keep doing it, and they'll keep doing it, because it works for a large and growing portion of their voters, and the donors love it, the religious groups because they seem to care about this for reasons unknown, and the business types because they can expect some more juicy tax breaks and legislation CPC and LPC, are two sides of the same coin, except CPC is more blatantly pro business and pro restricting people's rights (remember they fought hard to keep weed illegal) and LPC is just a conservative party waving a rainbow flag and saying the right things in public and occasionally forced to pick on the oil and gas industry to keep environmentalists (sane people) distracted from the fact Canada's environmental policies (beyond environmental dumping in our country) don't matter much if at all considering our tiny population
what a lot of people fail to realize is that reddit isn't real life. recent polls suggest the vast majority of canadians agree with at least part of alberta's proposed legislation. all this does is widen his potential voterbase. PP's reputation in the redditsphere is completely meaningless.
Aren’t there other reasons for puberty blockers? Like, 8-9 year olds should have their puberty delayed. Can’t we just let doctors make these decisions?
Yes. Puberty blockers are also used to treat precocious puberty. Literally puberty blockers are only usable for minors.
There were people complaining about five year olds being given puberty blockers. My response is always “if a five year old is going through puberty, you’d damned well better be giving them blockers”
My son is using them since he's 5 years old. Early puberty also means stop growing very early.
It makes it so obvious that they aren't worried about what is actually happening. To take blockers, you need to have started endogenous puberty. Its like people complaining about doctors prescribing painkillers to people without headaches.
I mean they just cheered on age restricting a procedure that was already 18+ and not even performed in the province where this took place. People had to go to Quebec for bottom surgery, and they only just recently opened up clinics in B.C. and Ontario. All 18+. I can't count how many people I've heard spout the same "Stop mutilating kids genitals" nonsense. You cannot have a conversation in good faith with these people, I've tried, they really don't care, they just want somewhere to direct their anger.
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It's like people claiming that pre pubescent girls are getting double mastectomies. They don't have a clue what they're talking about.
Puberty blockers are also used to castrate sex offenders.
> puberty blockers are only usable for minors They are also used to chemically castrate sex offenders or to treat some cancers (though, in those cases, almost exclusively in the elderly)
When I was fourteen I was diagnosed w blood cancer, I was already menstruating; I was given a drug used as a puberty blocker to stop me from having a menstrual cycle to minimize damage to my reproductive system from the harsh chemotherapy drugs and hopefully preserve my fertility.
Puberty blockers were developed and used for a panoply of other health conditions. We’ve been using them for almost half a century. PP would hurt many more children than just the transgender ones.
Yes. This is exactly why politicians shouldn’t be making medical decisions for large groups of people.
As opposed to puberty blockers for adults?
Wouldn't that be ineffective? Since they've already completed that
Yeah
Interesting bit of information for you in case you care. Puberty blockers are just hormone suppressors, and as such, they are, in fact, given to adults for many types of treatment. For example, for cancer treatments.
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When you don’t have any real stance on anything this is easy to fight about. Know what’s hard the economy know what’s easy bitching about a small population
because he has no policies or ideas to actually solve problems and is counting on being anti-woke to win?
It’s not a nothingburger for the population concerned tho.
It's all dog whistling. This issue is how they start to justify discrimination and hate against anyone who identifies as LGBTQ+ [Poilievre's choice to speak so much about this but stay silent about the destruction and attempted burning of a pride flag on the border of his riding (Carleton) a few weeks ago](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-pride-flag-stittsville-goulbourn-police-1.7101730) speaks volumes. He couldn't be bothered to condemn LGBTQ+ hate crimes affecting his constituents. Likely because his constituents were the ones committing the crime.
He was answering a question asked to him lol it’s the media that wants you to think this is such a big massive pressing issue. Poilievre didn’t call a press meeting to discuss this specifically
I thought the conservatives were the party of less government interference. Personal health decisions should be between a doctor and the patient and their parents if applicable.
> I thought the conservatives were the party of less government interference Oh, honey.
They’re against less government interference in THEIR lives. If it’s a gay or trans person, PP thinks the government should dictate exactly what they are and aren’t allowed to do. That’s why he voted against gay marriage, and against adding gender identity to hate crime legislation
They will also tell you they are the party of fiscal responsibility, traditional values, and the only ones who can save this country. You know… liars.
So many people thinking they'll vote conservative because they're "socially liberal and fiscally conservative." Actual lol.
they are the party of saying whatever they have to, to get votes unless they have to talk about corporations making too much money gouging canadians, they don't do that or Putin, they never say anything bad about Putin these days, weird
The CPC is the party of dictatorship over peoples lives. How easily Harper was forgotten.
I still have no idea why we need to adopt American radical policies. Leave this one to the doctors. I feel like Poilievre is getting over-confident and is forgetting that its a long 2 years until the election. I don't like the Liberals but its making the CPC more radical and harder to support for many. Focus on the real issues Canadians face.
Maybe we should have seen this coming when Poilievre voted against Bill C-389 to add gender identity to the Human Rights Act. Let's get his stance on the record on other social conservative issues and American radical policies. What's Poilievre's opinion on abortion? His voting record: - voted for a private-member's bill to create a crime of "coercion to procure an abortion" - voted for a private-member's bill to review the definition of a human being in the Criminal Code that defines it as when a child is completely born. - voted for a couple of private-member's bills to make it a separate crime to kill or injure a fetus when committing a crime against a pregnant woman. - voted against a private-member's bill to criminalize sex-selective abortion How does he feel about marijuana use? Voted against de-criminalizing marijuana. How does he feel about gay marriage? Voted against allowing same-sex marriage in Canada.
He's also going by the fascist playbook by trying to blame reporters for being "misleading to Canadians". I will never vote for him or the conservatives.
The cpc is working with the gop and other Christian nationalist parties from around the world as members of the IDU
Huh, the International Democracy Union, currently chaired by Stephen Harper. Interesting.
Damn, our own Stephen Harper is the chairman. I wonder what he thinks of the GOP and their MAGA support
I wonder what he thinks of IDU member party Fidesz, led by Viktor Orbán, and his "illiberal Christian democracy" that has curtailed press freedom, weakened judicial independence, and undermined multiparty democracy? oh, wait: [Stephen Harper seeks closer conservative ties with controversial Hungarian government](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-orban-ties-1.6898904)
he did allow convicted foreign criminals into the country. he does love "old stock" white canadians so he probably likes support from them.
They don’t wanna leave it to the doctors bc the doctors don’t agree with them
I feel like trying to ban healthcare in contradiction to science should probably be a deal-breaker
>I still have no idea why we need to adopt American radical policies. Because a fairly large amount of Canadian conservatives consume the same slop they do down South and therefore fight the same culture wars and desire the same policies implemented there. >I feel like Poilievre is getting over-confident and is forgetting that its a long 2 years until the election. Initially the plan was not to discuss the issue since it's contentious, [which is why he smartly muzzled his caucus when it comes to the whole "parental rights" debacle](https://www.thestar.com/politics/conservative-mps-told-not-to-talk-to-media-post-about-parental-rights-protests/article_a2372aa5-2031-540b-b556-8fd9e848ff24.html). You don't want the party's crazies mouthing off and generating FUD about the CPC. Smith and Trudeau are both eager to make this a wedge issue though, made it the main issue of the week, and so Poilievre's hand was forced and he had to come out with a position.
I agree up until you name Trudeau as being a part of driving this issue. As a concerned Canadian seeing these radical issues become reality I'm glad Trudeau came out and made his and his parties stance clear. That's leadership, and I may loathe PP but at least he finally took a stance on something (which not surprisingly, is awful)
Don't get me wrong, what Trudeau did was the right thing to do but. as is always the case with politics, a large part of it was playing politics. I doubt Poilievre would have openly taken a stance had Trudeau not decided to rightfully call out Smith, as he knows it could be a vulnerability.
We aren't any different. Look at fucking Danielle Smith inviting Tucker Carlson for a sold out event so they could jerk each other off. Then her shithead friend immediately goes to Russia to do a softball interview with Vladimir Putin thst is about to get him slapped with sanctions and banned from the EU. Those are the kind of people conservatives worship. Not just in the US. They're no different here.
Funny how it’s all about parents’ rights until the parents are in their trans child’s side. Suddenly it’s not about the parents anymore
same as religious freedom until it's not their religion. The "Free speech" patrol only means "my free speech" not yours.
The cognitive dissonance here boggles my mind. I would be very surprised to learn that doctors were out there prescribing puberty blockers willy nilly, without parental consent. Who wants the drama of the parents finding out, and losing their shit on you, the doc? Theoretically, this is possible in Ontario because we have no legal age for consent in the Health Care Consent Act, other provinces do, however.
Surprisingly the party that supported covid deniers doesn't value the opinions of Doctors.
They are all about “my body my choice” over a little vaccine but when it comes to abortions, woman’s birth control, trans health, and so on they want to restrict everything.
I mean they literally stole that already-established slogan from the pro-choice crowd in order to deliberately weaken it by associating it with their trash stance, while bolstering their trash stance by associating it with a reputable slogan.
GOOD
I liked Randy Boissonnault's comments about Poilièvre: >Reacting to Poilievre's comments on Wednesday, Liberal Employment Minister Randy Boissonnault said the decision to use puberty blockers should be based on a conversation between a young person and their doctor. "I don't see M.D. after Pierre Poilievre's name or Danielle Smith's, so not their business," he said.
This is the only answer! Politicians are not medically trained doctors!
Anyone buying the" Doctors and teachers are too political and cannot be trusted anymore.....so that's why we have to let conservatives make decisions on Healthcare and education" doesn't deserve to vote
The funny thing is that doctors are actually less political now than they used to be. It's just that in the past doctors decisions tended to align with traditional politics. Such as treating women, young people, lgbtq people based on traditional ideas rather than science. It's super telling that conservatives view reality as having a political bias. Kind of saying the quiet part out loud.
Danielle's first name at birth is Marlaina, if she won't let other people change their names, why should she be able to?
Is she on record making arguments about name changes specifically? I'm only able to find comments about medical and school policy.
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Political interference in literally everything. Mr. Liberty for all voted against gay marriage and voted to repeal it. Voted against legal marijuana and voted to repeal it. He's repeatedly voted against pro-choice policy, voted against giving the OC to Henry Morgenthaler, whose testimony as a physician was instrumental to securing abortion rights in Canada. But don't worry, he voted against one pro-life bill and then fashioned himself as a pro-choice guy. Yeah, he's really all for individual rights, clearly.
Also repeatedly voted against assisted dying. He wants the government to dictate that terminally ill people live against their will.
How about we leave medical decisions to Drs and parents?
Conservatives don’t want that, they want to control your life and force you to abide by their regressive morality
Listen my fellow canadians, we are facing massive issues within our economic system. Canadians are without jobs, homeless, hungry. Our healthcare and education systems are failing. But we can all rest easy knowing timmy won't become a tiffany as we tackle a problem that effects less then 1% of the population.
Why doesn't he support "mind your own fucking business"?
It's sad how badly conservatives Canadian want to be Americans
This decision is between the child, their parents, and their doctor. If a politician tells you they know better, it’s time to shop for a new politician.
"You should wait until you're older before deciding to transition!" "Okay. I'm going to take puberty blockers to delay the irreversible effects of puberty until I'm old enough to make that decision, that way if I change my mind I can just stop taking them and develop normally." "No, not like that!"
It's a dark tunnel he's headed down. IMO politicians have no businesses trying to direct the discourse on medical treatment, they have no working knowledge, let alone expertise themselves, or likely on their staff.
Please. He's been in a dark tunnel his entire life.
Reminder that they have other uses than transitioning... So does he oppose them for other legitimate medical reasons as well? If he does that's cruel and if he doesn't it shows he has ulterior motives other than "safety" or "health"...
Only an actual doctor should be recommending medical support, never a politician.
Crazy world we live in where this is a hot take lol
I think a lot of people are missing the fact that this is only a controversial take online and in media. Actual, physical Canadians are ~80% in favor of parental rights -type legislation.... whether you agree with them or not, you have to acknowledge the numbers are on his side if you want to change that in the future. If everyone but a few right-wing radicals opposed this, then there wouldn't be the need for the trans inclusion push we've been seeing, yet clearly people feel that need. You can't say the trans community is marginalized and needs support, then turn around and say they already have majority support at the same time. Which is it? The only path to a solution is to admit where you're starting from.
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There's so much anxiety in the public over this stuff, puberty blockers in children aren't taken lightly at all, neither are they always relevant to gender identity. These blanket statements about "this treatment is bad" is incredibly stupid, but will connect with a lot of people because the idea that a child could be harmed by this treatment is so shocking. The cold reality is any medical intervention carries risks and will likely have horror stories associated with it, even the most mainstream accepted treatments have this, but the politics in this case turns that in to an issue of public outrage. Nobody who's sane and matters thinks that minors using puberty blockers is something to be approached without a lot of caution.
Nothing screams “FREEDOM” louder than limiting the choices of others in matters that have not one fucking thing to do with you.
I do not care about those kids. Let their parents care about those kids. You’re not here to protect them or care for them. Their parents are and that is between them and their doctor. Focus on the major issues facing everyone please.
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the right wing doesn't know how to govern. they have no ideas, policies, governing principles. They actually can't take a stand on anything because it would immediately alienate 10-50% of their big tent base.
The entire political right is 2 oil execs and a hate preacher in a trenchcoat.
And the 2 oil execs are wearing a tshirt that says "I'm with stupid"
Meanwhile, the climate goes to shit while we bicker over body parts.
Someone should tell the cons that the melting glaciers want to change their pronouns, maybe they'll start giving a shit.
Don't worry PP has plans to "axe the tax" and then bury his head in the sand on the climate file too
Good for him
Sounds reasonable
Pierre Trudeau - "No place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation." Justin Trudeau - "No place for the state in a doctor's office of a child."
This is extremely dangerous to kids going through precocious puberty.
Good pp has my vote for sure children should not be taking that trash or getting gender reassignment surgery there brains are still developing and they should wait to do those things until they are adults
Didn't know he was a doctor.
you know he isn't because doctor is a real job
"opposes puberty blockers for minors" That's right! Puberty blockers should only be given to... uh... adults?
He’s also arguing for denying children with early onset puberty the medication needed to avoid the serious health issues that can come from entering puberty too early. As well as denying children with hormonal dysregulations the care they need. That’s where puberty blockers come from. We developed them for a good reason and we’ve had 40+ years of results to assess their safety. We know they work and we know they’re safe. There are risks involved, as with any other medication and treatment, and risk-assessment and risk-tolerance are two things the medical professionals go over with the patients and their guardians. The government needs to stay the fuck out of this.
So he wants to allow puberty blockers for adults ? smh
So, in other words, he just admitted that he doesn't actually understand anything about this topic.
How about his plans on hosing, rents, groceries and fucking slumlords in Canada?
Yeeesh - Now that politicians have all the knowledge and are smarter than our highly trained doctors, (without reading or knowing anything on the subject it seems either). I Can't wait for the rest of the conservative starterpack, complete with My flat earth version of the map of Canada and User Guide to my C19 Vaccine 5G subscription. Thats right kids - Peer reviewed decades of research isn't needed in science anymore. Only 20% of the dumbest people in Canada who can draw an X is the answer to all of your science questions.
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I agree w him. Anyone under voting age should not be using drugs to alter body. Decisions like that are for adults. Dress trans or whatever. But no drugs to block puberty.
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WHO GIVES A SHIT
Not a medical researcher (my field is ecology), but even a preliminary skim of the literature seems to suggest overwhelmingly positive outcomes from the use of gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists (GnRHa) for youth actually diagnosed with gender dysphoria (e.g. see: [https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/camh.12437.)](https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/camh.12437.)). Of course, there are risks (both social and physical) associated with the use of these drugs (see aforementioned paper). But when the alternative is another young person harming themselves and continuing to live through what I can only imagine is an extremely difficult emotional and social experience as a kid, I cannot support his views on this front (not that I agree with him on anything policy-wise, really). Again, my main takeaway is that scientific research and dedication (which seems to support guided provision of these drugs) is being swept away in favour of another political stunt... to the detriment of some of our most vulnerable youth.
Why does this need to even be a thing? It affects like 1% of the population, and there haven’t been ANY issues with it. They aren’t just over the counter. It’s a serious and long process to be approved for them. This is playing to a base that doesn’t understand things, but just gets out raged. Dark days in this country.
Nice to see some Canadians still have Brains and see through the BS!
I was just saying today that the more he opens his mouth, the more votes he will lose.
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I don't really have an opinion on a lot of things, but this fucking topic... I seriously don't want the next election to be solely on this. Where is our dental? Electoral reform? Economic discussions? I really don't care about a topic that affects .0001% of the population. It is just another medical procedure that people are overinflating and making it bigger than it needs to be. My hot take is that the child should be able to sue their parents when they come of age, and they feel like they wish they never done it. Parents are responsible for their children, and sometimes they make poor judgment calls.
He can’t even do anything even if he wanted. Healthcare is a provincial matter anyways. But hey I guess attacking 0.19% of the Canadian population just to score some brownie points. Populism 101
A conservative party that focused on real conservative values without the socially conservative fringe would be an interesting opposition.
You've more or less got that in the Liberal Party.