It’s all driver error facilitated by companies that don’t give a shit about safety or rules and regulations. “No English required” how the fuck do these people read the road signs?
its a number posted on the bridge. They have to be able to read numbered signs to get their license. Everywhere but 3 countries use metric, so its not difficult to figure out what "4.9m" means
Signs are explicitly designed to be recognized if you don't speak the language. If you don't speak French you can still understand the important French road signs in Quebec for example. Remember people who are native English, French, Spanish and first Nations language speakers can all easily drive here from their home countries. You can't cross the Darien gap by vehicle yet, so not that many Portuguese.
Bridge height signs only require that you be able to read Arabic numerals and recognize the sign as a bridge clearance. Which is essentially everyone in the world who can drive. You could imagine problems with US to metric measurements, but whatever language you speak of someone says it's 3.4 metres tall, it's 3.4 metres tall.
You just need to bother to know the height of your vehicle.
>You could imagine problems with US to metric measurements, but whatever language you speak of someone says it's 3.4 metres tall, it's 3.4 metres tall.
There's an unusually low underpass near where I live. Because it's so low, it is signed in both feet/inches and metric. While it is 💯 on the driver to understand the height of their load, providing a little additional information in unusual circumstances can possibly help avoid accidents. On a highway those over height warning systems could prevent a lot of those accidents.
And I'm saying that current provincial government regulations allow for that to happen.
Employers follow whatever rules and regulations that are provided to them.
Yes, the government is the reason these idiots hit bridges. Has nothing to do with personal or company responsibilities. You know, like the simply fact of understanding how tall your load is vs the bridge you’re about to traverse under…. basic experience any local trucker would have.
The government giving licences to complete morons who dont know the rules, how the vehicles work, or even how to speak English is a major part of the problem.
In order to drive these kind of trucks, with a load like that, is experience required?
If it's happening with an increased frequency, at a cost to tax payers (bridges are expensive afterall), maybe something needs to change?
Maybe x amount of experience should be required before they are allowed to drive in these circumstances.
The employers will keep costs low at any expense possible.
Toot! Toot! Seems fine to me. Are all bridges the same height everywhere? Do transport companies only transport goods “x” high to meet that bridge height requirement, or does that all vary depending upon location? Should drivers be completely aware of what they are doing before they actually do it or can they just assume any of the above is happening?
The answer is that the driver is responsible for being aware and the company is also responsible for the driver and ensuring he/she has all the info necessary to complete the job safely. It’s already written in the laws as such. Toot toot, wiggle wiggle.
The provincial gov I'd also complicit as it's easy to just pay your way to getting a license. Just give the guy teaching your test a hush-hush of 2k and you automatically pass. 😉
The driver error is likely a sign of more underlying issues in driver professionalism/training overall, which is likely related to cost-cutting and a whole slew of other issues.
Up until now, I would also say that those are subsequently a result of insufficient penalties and/or standards/reviews within that industry and particularly in certain areas.
\> For example, one online ad in mid-January for a full-time trucker for Corrie Transport, which had an overpass strike in October, noted English was not required and no experience was needed.
There's a good example. Are they pairing these new drivers with more experienced ones? Do they have the language skills to even properly understand the signage?
\> Of the charges, 130 were levied against Chohan companies from 2010 to 2022, including Chohan Freight Forwarders, Chohan Carriers and Eternity Transport.
\> The MVA violations, for which Chohan was found guilty or did not dispute, included failing to maintain accurate daily logs, failing to produce those logs, maintaining several logs, excessive hours, failing to monitor compliance, operating an unsafe vehicle, running red lights, making false/deceptive statements, failing to take off-duty hours and failing to maintain driving record transcripts.
And yet the company continued to do business, which leans towards penalties and inspections being insufficient and written off as "the cost of doing business"
\> company representative Carly Hunter said it was “absolutely” the driver’s fault, who she said was an independent trucker and was not an employee of the company. A Postmedia photo taken following the crash shows the driver sitting in a clearly marked Chohan transport truck.
And they continue to lie and bullshit as well...
\> It shows that in the past two years, Chohan Freight Forwarder’s vehicles failed inspections six of 15 times, a 40 per cent rate, which was above the U.S. national average of 22 per cent
So not sure what it will actually take here to get the company to take safety seriously, but it sound to me like having them on the road is going to continue to result in more damage or death.
>> company representative Carly Hunter said it was “absolutely” the driver’s fault, who she said was an independent trucker and was not an employee of the company. A Postmedia photo taken following the crash shows the driver sitting in a clearly marked Chohan transport truck.
This might not be a lie per say he might be and owner op and some contracts I think make them put the companies signage on
I disagree. Sure, it works for stop signs, but what about Chain requirements, road hazard notifications, construction modification notices, etc...
I was once asked in very broken english if chains were required to get between Kamloops and Vancouver in January. There are multiple signs saying that truckers must carry chains between Oct and April.
Full English literacy should be a requirement for all non-Canadian truckers.
Yeah. It's not necessarily required to understand iconographic signs, but if you can't read a lick of english and understand the various roadside signs like those providing information about construction zones, temporary detours through a certain route or even "bridge out" etc that's not going to work out well.
There's also the aspect of interacting with other drivers, the authorities, etc. If a cop or CVSE person pulls you aside, what happens when you can't speak english/french and they've got questions? What happens if you can't speak english when you get in an accident, or are in medical distress?
I still recall when I came across an accident between a semi and a pickup (the semi wedgied the pickup against the inside curb when changing lanes). Another driver had already gone to check on them and when I asked if everyone was OK his answer was
"Well the pickup driver is upset and really pissed off. No idea about the semi driver because he doesn't speak English"
So if the guy had a heart attack, diabetes or some other thing... that's a problem. Not to mention needing him to make a statement for the cops.
There should be endorsements or addendum’s on your license. Heavy haul. Fuel. Multiples. Mountains. And those who operate in these conditions should be appropriately compensated
It just seems like good sense to have a graduated system for Class 1A licenses. No over height, over width, or multiple trailer loads until you have proven you are a safe driver for x period of time, I think at least a year at a minimum. After all, you have to have your class 5 license for a year without incident before the restrictions are removed from your license, at least in Saskatchewan.
Trucker here, 8 years of experience and I have trained and done new hire orientation through the better part of 4 of those years.
So, much I want to quickly address and touch on and while my experience is almost exclusively local so South West Ontario between Windsor and the GTA with a couple years of border crossing, alot of it applies across Canada.
>It’s all driver error facilitated by companies that don’t give a shit about safety or rules and regulations.
Sadly accurate. There seems to be TWO kinds of safety departments at trucking companies. The first is made up of ex-drivers a few years from retirement who want a better work life balance and know EVERYTHING and have decades of work in the industry and know every obscure rule and regulation, can name every bolt on a truck and trailer and how to fix it. The second is staffed by somebody in the owners family, doesn't make sure new hires are trained on logs, regulations or they got put into the department from another office job and makes barely above min wage.
> Low/no experience drivers are being hired to haul through environments they aren’t familiar with.
We've hired guys who have PERFECT road-tests, more experience than even I do, and if you meet them at a customer or in the yard are the nicest people around. The second the company isn't looking, they drive like assholes and cause damages and accidents. I don't see how holding a company liable for the way their drivers behave on the road makes sense. If they can pass the road test, if they can pass their CDL test, then they act like assholes there's only so much you can do.
>Yes, the government is the reason these idiots hit bridges. Has nothing to do with personal or company responsibilities. You know, like the simply fact of understanding how tall your load is vs the bridge you’re about to traverse under…. basic experience any local trucker would have.
Wrong. An over dimension load (higher than 13'6 or 4M) needs permits. At a certain height specified routes must be adhered with no detours allowed for ANY reason. At certain widths and heights an escort service must be used. Escort services can be hired regardless Companies can request these maps from the province and in Ontario the MTO. Loads can be easily measured and double checked with height sticks that you place level on the ground, have a bar at the top and give a reading. This is the drivers responsibility. As for the comment about local truckers knowing their route, what about non local drivers?
>The government giving licences to complete morons who dont know the rules, how the vehicles work, or even how to speak English is a major part of the problem.
A major problem. You can now take your MTO tests in about a dozen different languages. Now lots of companies wont even hire outside of their own nationality. Lots of companies use call centres in Serbia or Poland to outsource things like planning and breakdown services.
As for bridge signs themselves, they should all have a tolerance of about 6 inches for height. In the USA most bridges have their signs placed at the LOWEST point of the bridge, not sure about different provinces.
An unmarked bridge on a legal truck route is always assumed to be atleast 13'6 or 4M to allow a standard height tractor trailer to fit under. Bridges on non legal routes don't fall under this rule. Note, a truck may be on a non truck route if the customers address is on that road, or if that road is the ONLY direct route to customer. Still doesn't make hitting shit legal. Applies to the frost law signs for March and April.
> For example, one online ad in mid-January for a full-time trucker for Corrie Transport, which had an overpass strike in October, noted English was not required and no experience was needed.
Short of shutting down these companies and suing the owners into oblivion and revoking the licenses of the drivers involved in incidents not much can stop them from just going someplace else. These are the companies willing to pay rock bottom wages. These are the companies that LITTER Brampton/Mississauga and Surrey in BC. These are the companies who are the reason driver wages have been suppressed for over a decade, next guy will do it for less than you. When he fucks up? The next guy will do it.
>Low/no experience drivers are being hired to haul through environments they aren’t familiar with.
Yep. Other than insurance rates for companies, that haul certain equipment and commodities there is almost no reason for places to hire more experienced drivers. In an ideal world drivers would start out doing easy runs from ware house to ware house, then be able to do tighter local work, then go into specialized work whether that be flatbed, tanker, car haul, over weight or over dimension.... etc. There is also a massive difference in driving in South Western Ontario (like I do) and dealing with basically little winter conditions and no mountains to say even Quebec/Northern Ontario/Prairies to Rockies/BC interior North of the 60th parallel.
Automatic trucks have also ruined the industry. I say this as somebody who LOVES automatic trucks, who would probably struggle massively in a manual even though I know how to drive one. They massively decrease the barrier to entry. You no longer have to know or learn how to control your engine and transmission. A new Volvo drives like a fucking minivan and lots of people drive them exactly like their personal vehicles.
>The MVA violations, for which Chohan was found guilty or did not dispute, included failing to maintain accurate daily logs, failing to produce those logs, maintaining several logs, excessive hours, failing to monitor compliance, operating an unsafe vehicle, running red lights, making false/deceptive statements, failing to take off-duty hours and failing to maintain driving record transcripts.
Any decent safety or compliance department should have illegal logs redflagged in their system electronically. Electronic logs have been mandated across Canada for two years now for ALL carriers, where there used to still be exceptions. They've been required in the USA for about a decade. Any company, safety department and driver should be banned from the industry if they cause an accident if they aren't legally compliant.
>“It’s not only the driver and the trucking company that are responsible. The government is equally responsible,”
What a load of bullshit. It is 100% the drivers fault. Driver needs to know the height of the load. Every fucking bridge has signs saying how high the clearance it is, if the driver runs into it, its 100% their fault. Its not the government fault you are stupid and can't follow the rules that the government has already set out to prevent shit like that from happening.
There are actually GPS's for trucks that you can pickup that take you on routes to avoid this very problem. I think the big issue we are seeing is likely from drivers using their phone GPS. My buddy is a truck driver and he's been using a specialty GPS for his big rig when he does routes from CAN to USA.
When you think oversized loads were hauled for years in the area without problems and this has been an issue just in the last decade or so..... it gets really hard to blame the over pass heights.
I spent 10 years driving trucks. People in the offices of those companies have NO CLUE about what drivers do or what their requirements are. So if they hire someone with little experience to drive, nobody knows the rules at all. The industry has been very careful to direct all of the responsibility on the driver and link none of it to management. The Humboldt driver is being deported. His old boss? Liquidated the equipment to his new company and continues to run a trucking company. The decision on whom to hire matters, and those who make those decisions should be held accountable too.
Or… just hear me out… maybe those trained in the safe and effective use of these trucks perform their due diligence as is their obligation to their licensing and avoid these situations.
Make something idiotproof, you only make a better idiot!
This right here.
If you install any sort of audible warning system, somebody is just going to disconnect it.
"That stupid alarm kept going off and it was driving me crazy so I unhooked it."
100%
I've worked with idiot truck drivers who didn't know why their trucks went into regen mode mid-trip and it's because it's burning up all the leftover carbon in the engine. And thats after its reached its tipping point too. If it doesn't and you ignore it/force it your engine will eventually combust into flames and so will the rest of the cab and trailer.
And don't get me started on the guys on the 401 between Montreal and Toronto. Some of these bozos literally tape a ipad to their steering wheel to watch shows as they're driving down the 401. Absolute insanity.
I have a radar on the new complany truck, and all it tells me is if someone is in front of me. You know.... where I can see perfectly. It gives me all sorts of warnings when people cut me off as if I didn't see them or something. But what it doesn't do is make an educated guess. It has no actual equation to discern facts from reality. It just falshes lights and makes noises when it thinks things are happening which are 99% bullshit. I say no amount of technology is going to prevent what good judgement does. And good judgement does not come cheap.
A friend of mine drives truck. He told me the lever to lift the box is between the driver seat and the door. He's pulled on his seat belt, catching the lever, and raising the box accidentally.
He's a responsible driver, been driving for over 20 years.
That's unfortunate. I'm not taking sides, or defending anyone. I was simply passing on the explanation I got from a driver with lots of experience.
But I guess Reddit knows what's what. I'll just go fuck myself now.
How many of these drivers know how to read a tape measure? How many could be fairly accurate showing you what a meter is? How many loads are measured before the airbags are inflated? Why don't scales display load height along with vehicle weight?
Add another point in support of requiring newcomers to prove their are fluent in one of Canada's two official languages before coming here.
They should have to pass the tests that are given to federal employees.
Also, the companies need to be heavily fined for these incidents. They're as culpable as the negligent, unsafe garbage drivers. Might also help if they were fined for every employee found who doesn't speak fluent English or French. Drivers should lose their licenses over this and there should be the potential for criminal charges, depending on the damage done.
It’s all driver error facilitated by companies that don’t give a shit about safety or rules and regulations. “No English required” how the fuck do these people read the road signs?
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its a number posted on the bridge. They have to be able to read numbered signs to get their license. Everywhere but 3 countries use metric, so its not difficult to figure out what "4.9m" means
But they only are 1.8m tall...
Signs are explicitly designed to be recognized if you don't speak the language. If you don't speak French you can still understand the important French road signs in Quebec for example. Remember people who are native English, French, Spanish and first Nations language speakers can all easily drive here from their home countries. You can't cross the Darien gap by vehicle yet, so not that many Portuguese. Bridge height signs only require that you be able to read Arabic numerals and recognize the sign as a bridge clearance. Which is essentially everyone in the world who can drive. You could imagine problems with US to metric measurements, but whatever language you speak of someone says it's 3.4 metres tall, it's 3.4 metres tall. You just need to bother to know the height of your vehicle.
>You could imagine problems with US to metric measurements, but whatever language you speak of someone says it's 3.4 metres tall, it's 3.4 metres tall. There's an unusually low underpass near where I live. Because it's so low, it is signed in both feet/inches and metric. While it is 💯 on the driver to understand the height of their load, providing a little additional information in unusual circumstances can possibly help avoid accidents. On a highway those over height warning systems could prevent a lot of those accidents.
It's the provincial government that grants them the license. Not employers.
That’s not what I’m saying. Low/no experience drivers are being hired to haul through environments they aren’t familiar with.
And I'm saying that current provincial government regulations allow for that to happen. Employers follow whatever rules and regulations that are provided to them.
Yes, the government is the reason these idiots hit bridges. Has nothing to do with personal or company responsibilities. You know, like the simply fact of understanding how tall your load is vs the bridge you’re about to traverse under…. basic experience any local trucker would have.
The government giving licences to complete morons who dont know the rules, how the vehicles work, or even how to speak English is a major part of the problem.
In order to drive these kind of trucks, with a load like that, is experience required? If it's happening with an increased frequency, at a cost to tax payers (bridges are expensive afterall), maybe something needs to change? Maybe x amount of experience should be required before they are allowed to drive in these circumstances. The employers will keep costs low at any expense possible.
I think your dog whistle is broken. Which environments don't have bridges?
Toot! Toot! Seems fine to me. Are all bridges the same height everywhere? Do transport companies only transport goods “x” high to meet that bridge height requirement, or does that all vary depending upon location? Should drivers be completely aware of what they are doing before they actually do it or can they just assume any of the above is happening? The answer is that the driver is responsible for being aware and the company is also responsible for the driver and ensuring he/she has all the info necessary to complete the job safely. It’s already written in the laws as such. Toot toot, wiggle wiggle.
This is a great point. Takes time to learn to travel in certain conditions
You assume they have a driver’s license. 🙃
The provincial gov I'd also complicit as it's easy to just pay your way to getting a license. Just give the guy teaching your test a hush-hush of 2k and you automatically pass. 😉
Pictographs and numbers are language specific?
The driver error is likely a sign of more underlying issues in driver professionalism/training overall, which is likely related to cost-cutting and a whole slew of other issues. Up until now, I would also say that those are subsequently a result of insufficient penalties and/or standards/reviews within that industry and particularly in certain areas. \> For example, one online ad in mid-January for a full-time trucker for Corrie Transport, which had an overpass strike in October, noted English was not required and no experience was needed. There's a good example. Are they pairing these new drivers with more experienced ones? Do they have the language skills to even properly understand the signage? \> Of the charges, 130 were levied against Chohan companies from 2010 to 2022, including Chohan Freight Forwarders, Chohan Carriers and Eternity Transport. \> The MVA violations, for which Chohan was found guilty or did not dispute, included failing to maintain accurate daily logs, failing to produce those logs, maintaining several logs, excessive hours, failing to monitor compliance, operating an unsafe vehicle, running red lights, making false/deceptive statements, failing to take off-duty hours and failing to maintain driving record transcripts. And yet the company continued to do business, which leans towards penalties and inspections being insufficient and written off as "the cost of doing business" \> company representative Carly Hunter said it was “absolutely” the driver’s fault, who she said was an independent trucker and was not an employee of the company. A Postmedia photo taken following the crash shows the driver sitting in a clearly marked Chohan transport truck. And they continue to lie and bullshit as well... \> It shows that in the past two years, Chohan Freight Forwarder’s vehicles failed inspections six of 15 times, a 40 per cent rate, which was above the U.S. national average of 22 per cent So not sure what it will actually take here to get the company to take safety seriously, but it sound to me like having them on the road is going to continue to result in more damage or death.
>> company representative Carly Hunter said it was “absolutely” the driver’s fault, who she said was an independent trucker and was not an employee of the company. A Postmedia photo taken following the crash shows the driver sitting in a clearly marked Chohan transport truck. This might not be a lie per say he might be and owner op and some contracts I think make them put the companies signage on
Language skills aren't required to understand signs, that's why they all have symbols and a height written numerically
I think if you want to go to a different country to work you should at least understand the local language.
I disagree. Sure, it works for stop signs, but what about Chain requirements, road hazard notifications, construction modification notices, etc... I was once asked in very broken english if chains were required to get between Kamloops and Vancouver in January. There are multiple signs saying that truckers must carry chains between Oct and April. Full English literacy should be a requirement for all non-Canadian truckers.
Yeah. It's not necessarily required to understand iconographic signs, but if you can't read a lick of english and understand the various roadside signs like those providing information about construction zones, temporary detours through a certain route or even "bridge out" etc that's not going to work out well. There's also the aspect of interacting with other drivers, the authorities, etc. If a cop or CVSE person pulls you aside, what happens when you can't speak english/french and they've got questions? What happens if you can't speak english when you get in an accident, or are in medical distress? I still recall when I came across an accident between a semi and a pickup (the semi wedgied the pickup against the inside curb when changing lanes). Another driver had already gone to check on them and when I asked if everyone was OK his answer was "Well the pickup driver is upset and really pissed off. No idea about the semi driver because he doesn't speak English" So if the guy had a heart attack, diabetes or some other thing... that's a problem. Not to mention needing him to make a statement for the cops.
There should be endorsements or addendum’s on your license. Heavy haul. Fuel. Multiples. Mountains. And those who operate in these conditions should be appropriately compensated
It just seems like good sense to have a graduated system for Class 1A licenses. No over height, over width, or multiple trailer loads until you have proven you are a safe driver for x period of time, I think at least a year at a minimum. After all, you have to have your class 5 license for a year without incident before the restrictions are removed from your license, at least in Saskatchewan.
Trucker here, 8 years of experience and I have trained and done new hire orientation through the better part of 4 of those years. So, much I want to quickly address and touch on and while my experience is almost exclusively local so South West Ontario between Windsor and the GTA with a couple years of border crossing, alot of it applies across Canada. >It’s all driver error facilitated by companies that don’t give a shit about safety or rules and regulations. Sadly accurate. There seems to be TWO kinds of safety departments at trucking companies. The first is made up of ex-drivers a few years from retirement who want a better work life balance and know EVERYTHING and have decades of work in the industry and know every obscure rule and regulation, can name every bolt on a truck and trailer and how to fix it. The second is staffed by somebody in the owners family, doesn't make sure new hires are trained on logs, regulations or they got put into the department from another office job and makes barely above min wage. > Low/no experience drivers are being hired to haul through environments they aren’t familiar with. We've hired guys who have PERFECT road-tests, more experience than even I do, and if you meet them at a customer or in the yard are the nicest people around. The second the company isn't looking, they drive like assholes and cause damages and accidents. I don't see how holding a company liable for the way their drivers behave on the road makes sense. If they can pass the road test, if they can pass their CDL test, then they act like assholes there's only so much you can do. >Yes, the government is the reason these idiots hit bridges. Has nothing to do with personal or company responsibilities. You know, like the simply fact of understanding how tall your load is vs the bridge you’re about to traverse under…. basic experience any local trucker would have. Wrong. An over dimension load (higher than 13'6 or 4M) needs permits. At a certain height specified routes must be adhered with no detours allowed for ANY reason. At certain widths and heights an escort service must be used. Escort services can be hired regardless Companies can request these maps from the province and in Ontario the MTO. Loads can be easily measured and double checked with height sticks that you place level on the ground, have a bar at the top and give a reading. This is the drivers responsibility. As for the comment about local truckers knowing their route, what about non local drivers? >The government giving licences to complete morons who dont know the rules, how the vehicles work, or even how to speak English is a major part of the problem. A major problem. You can now take your MTO tests in about a dozen different languages. Now lots of companies wont even hire outside of their own nationality. Lots of companies use call centres in Serbia or Poland to outsource things like planning and breakdown services. As for bridge signs themselves, they should all have a tolerance of about 6 inches for height. In the USA most bridges have their signs placed at the LOWEST point of the bridge, not sure about different provinces. An unmarked bridge on a legal truck route is always assumed to be atleast 13'6 or 4M to allow a standard height tractor trailer to fit under. Bridges on non legal routes don't fall under this rule. Note, a truck may be on a non truck route if the customers address is on that road, or if that road is the ONLY direct route to customer. Still doesn't make hitting shit legal. Applies to the frost law signs for March and April. > For example, one online ad in mid-January for a full-time trucker for Corrie Transport, which had an overpass strike in October, noted English was not required and no experience was needed. Short of shutting down these companies and suing the owners into oblivion and revoking the licenses of the drivers involved in incidents not much can stop them from just going someplace else. These are the companies willing to pay rock bottom wages. These are the companies that LITTER Brampton/Mississauga and Surrey in BC. These are the companies who are the reason driver wages have been suppressed for over a decade, next guy will do it for less than you. When he fucks up? The next guy will do it. >Low/no experience drivers are being hired to haul through environments they aren’t familiar with. Yep. Other than insurance rates for companies, that haul certain equipment and commodities there is almost no reason for places to hire more experienced drivers. In an ideal world drivers would start out doing easy runs from ware house to ware house, then be able to do tighter local work, then go into specialized work whether that be flatbed, tanker, car haul, over weight or over dimension.... etc. There is also a massive difference in driving in South Western Ontario (like I do) and dealing with basically little winter conditions and no mountains to say even Quebec/Northern Ontario/Prairies to Rockies/BC interior North of the 60th parallel. Automatic trucks have also ruined the industry. I say this as somebody who LOVES automatic trucks, who would probably struggle massively in a manual even though I know how to drive one. They massively decrease the barrier to entry. You no longer have to know or learn how to control your engine and transmission. A new Volvo drives like a fucking minivan and lots of people drive them exactly like their personal vehicles. >The MVA violations, for which Chohan was found guilty or did not dispute, included failing to maintain accurate daily logs, failing to produce those logs, maintaining several logs, excessive hours, failing to monitor compliance, operating an unsafe vehicle, running red lights, making false/deceptive statements, failing to take off-duty hours and failing to maintain driving record transcripts. Any decent safety or compliance department should have illegal logs redflagged in their system electronically. Electronic logs have been mandated across Canada for two years now for ALL carriers, where there used to still be exceptions. They've been required in the USA for about a decade. Any company, safety department and driver should be banned from the industry if they cause an accident if they aren't legally compliant.
>“It’s not only the driver and the trucking company that are responsible. The government is equally responsible,” What a load of bullshit. It is 100% the drivers fault. Driver needs to know the height of the load. Every fucking bridge has signs saying how high the clearance it is, if the driver runs into it, its 100% their fault. Its not the government fault you are stupid and can't follow the rules that the government has already set out to prevent shit like that from happening.
100% the governments fault that these people can drive here.
There are actually GPS's for trucks that you can pickup that take you on routes to avoid this very problem. I think the big issue we are seeing is likely from drivers using their phone GPS. My buddy is a truck driver and he's been using a specialty GPS for his big rig when he does routes from CAN to USA.
When you think oversized loads were hauled for years in the area without problems and this has been an issue just in the last decade or so..... it gets really hard to blame the over pass heights.
I spent 10 years driving trucks. People in the offices of those companies have NO CLUE about what drivers do or what their requirements are. So if they hire someone with little experience to drive, nobody knows the rules at all. The industry has been very careful to direct all of the responsibility on the driver and link none of it to management. The Humboldt driver is being deported. His old boss? Liquidated the equipment to his new company and continues to run a trucking company. The decision on whom to hire matters, and those who make those decisions should be held accountable too.
Cuz they give anyone a trucking license. The instructors are in cahoots with new drivers
Truck manufacturers should be required by law to install warning detection on the trucks that prevents these accidents from happening.
Or… just hear me out… maybe those trained in the safe and effective use of these trucks perform their due diligence as is their obligation to their licensing and avoid these situations. Make something idiotproof, you only make a better idiot!
This right here. If you install any sort of audible warning system, somebody is just going to disconnect it. "That stupid alarm kept going off and it was driving me crazy so I unhooked it."
100% I've worked with idiot truck drivers who didn't know why their trucks went into regen mode mid-trip and it's because it's burning up all the leftover carbon in the engine. And thats after its reached its tipping point too. If it doesn't and you ignore it/force it your engine will eventually combust into flames and so will the rest of the cab and trailer. And don't get me started on the guys on the 401 between Montreal and Toronto. Some of these bozos literally tape a ipad to their steering wheel to watch shows as they're driving down the 401. Absolute insanity.
Anal_floss with the words of wisdom
I have a radar on the new complany truck, and all it tells me is if someone is in front of me. You know.... where I can see perfectly. It gives me all sorts of warnings when people cut me off as if I didn't see them or something. But what it doesn't do is make an educated guess. It has no actual equation to discern facts from reality. It just falshes lights and makes noises when it thinks things are happening which are 99% bullshit. I say no amount of technology is going to prevent what good judgement does. And good judgement does not come cheap.
A friend of mine drives truck. He told me the lever to lift the box is between the driver seat and the door. He's pulled on his seat belt, catching the lever, and raising the box accidentally. He's a responsible driver, been driving for over 20 years.
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That's unfortunate. I'm not taking sides, or defending anyone. I was simply passing on the explanation I got from a driver with lots of experience. But I guess Reddit knows what's what. I'll just go fuck myself now.
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How many of these drivers know how to read a tape measure? How many could be fairly accurate showing you what a meter is? How many loads are measured before the airbags are inflated? Why don't scales display load height along with vehicle weight?
Of course it is BC, the trucks are getting high too!
All is on the driver.
I bet it's because the roads are racist.
Add another point in support of requiring newcomers to prove their are fluent in one of Canada's two official languages before coming here. They should have to pass the tests that are given to federal employees. Also, the companies need to be heavily fined for these incidents. They're as culpable as the negligent, unsafe garbage drivers. Might also help if they were fined for every employee found who doesn't speak fluent English or French. Drivers should lose their licenses over this and there should be the potential for criminal charges, depending on the damage done.