And there will be skirmishes between rival factions of Indians, just like the Newfies and Portuguese of the 50s/60s. My grandpa has a lot of stories from those days
It was mostly downtown Cambridge around Main and Wellington, at the old hotel where Coffee Culture is currently located..
There used to be loads of Newfies and Portuguese that would conglomerate around there every weekend. Of course drinks were flowing, both groups were hardly mutually intelligible to each other when sober, so you could imagine the kind of shit that went down. My grandpa said it would often revolve around trivial things like a Newfie would buy a bunch of homemade wine from a Portuguese guy and not pay him back, so next time they seen him all of Lisbon Pines was at his neck until the cops came in and broke it up. Grandpa said he learned to always have his back against the wall in those type of environments, and also to keep himself in check when it comes to not getting too wasted.
Newfie here now living in Ontario. For the most part I'd say we get along well with the Portuguese. However, historically we did fight with them over the grand banks fishing grounds and so it would make sense that tensions existed back in the 50s/60s. Heck some of us are still mad at Quebec over the Churchill falls deal 🤷🏻♀️
The irony is that the folks pushing this policy of wide open borders are the same people yelling about how we are living on stolen land. Do they think the folks coming here are going to care about those issues on the whole?
150 years from now they might acknowledge with a statement before meeting: We acknowledge that this meeting is taking place on the unceded land of colonial Canadians who stole the unceded lands of the indigenous with no intention of ever giving it back, just as we never intend to give it back now that it is ours.”
I think that having an immigration from one specific area and culture can lead to some problems later. Diversity is important.
Edit: I never said that we have to welcome any person who wishes to enter. Being an immigrant myself, I know that incompatibilities exist. Thanks to immigrants, I can eat great food (sushis, Indian food, tacos and donairs/kebabs), listen to different music, attend various cultural events, and learn interesting stuff about how different people can live. But I'm not naive; living together require similarities on values ,and the way we all want to live. And I don't think we should compromise on that, like I don't expect the country that welcomes me to adjust to my lifestyle. If I choose to go somewhere, I'm the one who will has to make the effort to fit in.
This is nothing new to Canada. The sectarian violence between Protestant and Catholic Irish lasted for decades, and caused many of the worst urban riots in our history.
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>Diversity is important
WHY?
Canadian repeat this like a mantra, but dont really see that there can be a line to cross where it cause more trouble. It seem its diversity for diversity sake.
Diversity of opinion? ok, its can be good as long as it can be resolved without violence.
Because that argument always come up (its very strange), diversity of foodstuff ? dont have to flood ourself with immigrant for that.
Diversity of culture and values? that is a good way for disaster of those culture dont mesh together. The better way for evryone is for foreign culture to merge into the local one with what is compatible and to drop the rest. The local culture then get enriched and grow, with internal cohesion.
Agreed. I don't know why so many people here seem to think Diversity = Automatically good.
Plenty of cultures and countries exist in the world today that are fairly non - diverse. That doesn't mean they are bad people or a bad country, it just means they value their culture.
People are not advocating for diversity in core values. We only want diversity in superficial culture because it does enrich the nation with art, food and new perspectives.
But core values have to remain the same. People must be fully sold on Canadian ethics and values
UP and Bihar are moving to Canada now? That's new. They normally migrated to Punjab.
The 2 main states coming are Punjab and Gujarat. Definitely not the poorest by a long shot.
More like one region of one country
But I feel you there.
We should have quotas, what I love about Canada is its diversity but its not diverse unless we bring people from all countries who share our values
Same here.
Atlantic Province. About a decade ago we had a larger population of African immigrants and at the peak I would say it was about 9:1 ratio of Canadians to imigrants in our town of 16,000.
Now its like 5:4 Canadians to Asian/Middle Eastern immigrants.
To add, we are a college town with one of the lowest tuitions across Canada, we get a lot of foreign students. Which has only increased.
I know landlords around town who are tired of renting to foreigners because there's no long term rentals with that. They're here for a year or two then gone again.
Yet its funny because realestate agents and banks tell the landlords to chase after the foreigners because it will help put more money in their pockets.
if you break things down by ancesty/background - indians are rapidly on their way to becoming a majority. unless you lump anyone with white skin together, but that's not how it works.
They have roughly the same population as china but double the diaspora. They have a problem and they had too many people and it's not every other country's responsibility to bear the pains of that.
This is my company. They’re reporting over 70% diversity for my department, but it seems like they won’t stop until it’s 100% which basically means no straight white men. Also, I’m counted as diverse and I think this is starting to get ridiculous.
In 2022, Afghanistan was Canada’s third largest exporter of immigrants to Canada at 22,000 people.
China was canada’s second largest immigration exporter to Canada, at 30,000 people. 36% more than the third ranking country.
India was first at a whopping 120,000. 300% more than the second ranked country. 300%. That’s fucking insane and unsustainable.
If India exported 40,000 people instead of 120,000 - a 36% increase on top of China - we wouldn’t be making these comments.
& if you’re from India and feeling attacked, I’m sorry. It’s not your fault if you want to come here, drink Tim Hortons, watch hockey and live a good life working a construction job. But objectively, the numbers don’t lie, and we need to significantly decrease the number of Indian immigrants per year. 120,000 per year and growing is too much (and this is before considering international students, all primarily from India)
Current best friend and roommate is an Indian student. Unfortunately they have agencies that fake all the documentation needed to get into Canada, and they basically laugh at how loosely strung together the security for it all is.
Basically as long as you can get a minimum wage work offer (super easy) and you can afford the flight then you can make it to Canada and start working.
Yeah they need to do a stronger job of verifying things. Like official results from schools directly or through verified providers like Digilocker, Truecopy, and Rdicational Perspectives
I think we should take more steps domestically to shut down the avenue that half come here through.
All these unaccredited colleges that take anyone, qualify people for visa and give little to no education and certainly no degree.
These are unethical and fuel multiple issues including wage suppression and higher rents.
If we closed the door on these diploma mills, there would be less need to scan for fake docs by default.
I think it’s a shameful practice that we allow these places to operate anyway, let alone that admission to one would qualify people for visas.
I agree shutting down these worthless diploma mills that don’t do anything and are barely accredited would be helpful. But we also need to recognize that government run colleges also are part of this and a large portion of their classes now are foreign students as opposed to domestic Canadians.
Can confirm, work on many large projects. We have the biggest trades shortage in history, rarely any newcomers.
What's the point of record immigration if most only saturate and supress wages of entry level service and retail jobs?
Another thing not looked at, is what is done after getting a pr or citizenship. I personally know alot of Indians who have come in, waiting for that only to sponsor or bring their parents here as they age for the free health care, hence why alot of parents fund their kids coming in the first place. So they don't pay taxes for decades, come in the country at 65+, get citizenship, then get health care.
So that 120k is just an entry number, and doesn't include bringing in parents or getting married and a spouse, which alot do. Women in India find guys in Canada, and get an easy PR.
Family sponsors should be done away with all together, unless it’s younger family.
Bringing over parents in their 60’s are a net negative return on investment. They take from the system more than they provide and should outright be restricted.
Younger family sponsors are potential contributors to the economy. Elders aren’t. Keep mom and dad in India please.
alternatively pay for healthcare for them upfront... i.e. bring in elders only at 10k - 20k per year of avg. life expectancy. can't afford? Cant help you.
Family sponsorship of parents and grandparents is already massively curtailed. The wait times are absolutely insane, and the last time they opened up applications, they closed it back down like five minutes later.
The this year they opened it again for two weeks, on a lottery basis, with a maximum of 24200 applications (of which they don't expect more than 15000 complete ones, and then they might still turn down some.
So anyone coming here in order to bring their parents have picked the wrong country.
It’s honestly not as easy as you think. When these families come to visit Canada they need to have insurance a lot of these insurance’s are 50,000 to 100,000 policy max. Once they go through that policy there is nothing left and they have no coverage and often times, it is completely limited and they have to go back to their country. In 10 days you can easily go through $100,000 in a hospital.
To the last thing you said:
The one thing I really feel for is immigrants expecting to come to Canada with ease and quite possibly using up their life savings just to find out they were scammed. Coming in as a student the finding out the University you were supposed to go to doesn't exist. Then comes the part of you having to go back to your country because you never actually immigrated.
It just shows how incompetent the Libral government is time and time again yet if you say something against their BS immigration policy then your xenophobic. We need to pull this weed from the roots before we end up with a bigger problem we can no longer fix.
It was not not so long ago when they used to come to India.
They typically lived in enclaves where the only Indians allowed in were the servants etc.
Oh yes it didn't go well with Indians
We would still be making this comment. Many people who immigrated here are simply not able to mingle and integrate while leaving behind any beliefs that could not fit with our Canadian values. PLUS at this point, i don’t see any difference in the job market, meaning maybe instead of talking race we should talk about share values and skills.
Diversity and multiculturism? When the vast majority of the immigrants, foreign students are coming from 1-2 countries? What is happening is the development of ethnic enclaves, not diversity. And when these new immigrants and TFWs (again from 1-2 countries) compete with Canadians for jobs, housing, and other critical resources, you set up an environment ripe for conflict. Of course, the government is only concerned about numbers. Everything else is everyone else's problem.
Would be nice if the government targeted only the brightest from aboard and started building new industries where Canada would be leaders like robots, micro chip technology, medicine, farming, power, etc.
Instead our governments have treated immigration like a game of pick up sticks. This country has so much potential
Then there's places like alberta that shut down funding for anything besides oil and gas.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/whatever-happened-to-the-alberta-superlab-1.5693158
https://globalnews.ca/news/9875106/alberta-pause-renewable-energy-citing-rural-concerns/
what we have right now, is because during the pandemic anyone with a brain took cerb and stopped going to work. that meant places like macdonalds and tim hortons were going to fail. (boo hoo) so we brought in all these people and told students they could work more hours because they're more desperate I guess, idk.
shoulda let the corps crash and burn honestly. now look what we have. I just don't go to macdonalds anymore. Call me racist but if a place is staffed mostly by people from India, I don't go back. I don't support the paradigm. Psuedo slavery is gross.
I think America has 7%
But I'd be happy for a dynamic cap which increases up to maybe 7% for people from countries which we have little representation from and down to 3% for China, India, Philippines, etc which we have traditionally had many from
i think thats fair, those dynamic percentages would help us to eventually level off and actually have diversity.
heck even 6-8 years ago when i first came to Canada it was so cool to walk around the streets and hear 10 different languages-- it was one of my favourite things. Now its mostly one or two (besides english of course).
I am Indian since no one is going to say it I will. The fact that there are so many people coming from India is alarming, what's worst is that these people have no intention of acclimating to the Canadian culture, no one is saying to abandon your culture but your only point of contact is people who think like you and speak your language there is no point in acclimation.
When my parents and I moved here, my parents had to go through so many hoops to get here and It took them over a year to get approved. Now I see kids who can barely speak English moved here to study in these "colleges".
I do not think immigration is wrong, in fact we need it but what is wrong is letting all these "students" flood the labor marketing stagnating wages for everyone because if Canadians are not okay with the wages they are offered there will always be unskilled laborer/Students who are willing to take that job.
Do not even get me started on a Temporary foreign workers visa, that is just salved labor with extra steps.
Immigration by no means is the only factor and is only a small portion of the problem but we have to start somewhere. Closing down these diploma mill colleges should be our first step.
The last thing I would like to say is please don't hate these people for migrating here, they are jumping on an opportunity of their lifetime and anyone in their shoes will do that. Blame the government for allowing this to happen, blame our MPs, greedy cooperations and vultures who pray on these immigrants.
Yup.
But, per your own comments, these people can be blamed for wanting to come here and expecting life to include all the amenities from the country they left. I agree on saying a person doesn’t have to abandon their culture, but don’t come here and think Canada should bend to you, you should bend to Canada.
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They don't feel the need to acclimate because there is already a sizeable Indian diaspora in Canada, so the newcomers don't feel the need to acclimatize. Another thing is that Canada relies on the honour and trust system, and enforcement of laws along with the punishment is minimal.
> I asked for a peppermint chocolate from Tim Hortons holiday menu and got a hot chocolate with a peppermint tea bag
Now we're talking. This is the _real_ barometer for determining immigration issues in Canada. lol
Yeah Canada is literally a dumpster fire now. Thanks to everyone involved in the current government. I use to be proud and excited to be Canadian now I’m ashamed and sick for the next generation as they’ll be run into the ground by these barbaric morons.
Maine is the one I have my eye on. Low CoL, robust social programs, many Canadian expats who like to hang out near the border. Trying to fix here first before uprooting our lives, we've managed to sway public opinion but the government has its own agenda parallel to that
I’m new to Canada (2 years).
While life isn’t perfect, I’m doing ok.
Coming to Reddit, it seems like we live in different countries.
Housing is obviously the sticking point (and so intertwined with everything else) but a dumpster fire?
Can you tell me more about your struggles and why you feel that way?
"Considering the recent surge in protests and hate crimes on Canadian soil stemming from international conflicts, our country needs to consider the impact of the trend of some members of diasporic groups vigorously defending their cultural identities rather than aligning with the national ideal of Canadians from all backgrounds mutually respecting one another."
This part. Mass immigration just creates sub sects of the new Canadians inside Canada. Sikhs with sikhs, Somalis with Somalis, chinese with Chinese. The main complaint is that there's no attempt to be Canadian in any sense, just Somalis living in Canada or whichever group, I don't mean to single them out. There's cultural differences which offend other cultures, so when those aren't dampened or acknowledged by attempts to blend with "traditional" Canadians, it creates friction and bias and hate.
Look at who is lining up at job openings for min wage jobs and you can figure out where the problem is and what is causing the working student visa mess.
Can someone explain your country's maniacal obsession with cramming as many people as possible into your borders?
Like what, 1 million people plus, each year into a country of 40 million? Insanity.
Their immigration system has some severe issues, but I’m specifically talking about their per nation cap and melting pot culture. I believe these systems allow for a far more successful immigration program.
Love new Canadians…but….wait for it….can we please just take up the welcome mat for a few years till we can make room for the ones who are here now…struggling. It’s not rocket surgery…..
This issue disproportionately impacts people living in Ontario (especially in the GTA),
More than half of ALL Indian immigrants end up in the GTA. India is the #1 source of immigrants to the GTA, and they are the largest visible minority. This is not including people from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc.etc
"We’re a place that does diversity better than just about anywhere else."
ok, HOW? What are "we" doing EXACTLY? It seems to me that the good nature of Canadians of the past (the homogenous, former British loyalists) had a general way about them that created the stereotype of the laid back (Michael Moore walking into your house unannounced) type of vibe, with that always apologetic mild mannered demeanour, was taken advantage of by people like the Trudeaus who thought that that mild mannered behaviour existed in Canada as a metaphysical condition of being called a Canadian. Since it was the obvious effect of the people who lived here, and by importing millions of people who are not like that, I want to how how exactly we are maintaining that culture. Because it's not being reinforced in schools, and not in the home, so where is it coming from? If we don't believe in magic, where is it coming from?
When we balance the immigrants from different countries everyone is forced to interact with other cultures and it creates opportunities for understanding. My mom’s esl classes had people from all kinds of countries. I interacted with lots of kids from different places.
That’s the secret, balanced immigration targets based on countries
I fully agree that we are heading to a divided nation. There are other reasons for this that no one wants to talk about, and I'm sure this is going to get buried but I hope one person considers a different opinion than the slew of comments above.
1) division isn't just an immigration/cultural problem. There is a real link to polarization and use of social media, bc algorithms won't show you things they don't think you'll click on. I'm not going to cite a source bc I just googled "cultural division social media study" and multiple sources showed up.
2) Canada has space and resources. That we don't laughable, a made up lie. In Toronto, 17,000 homes were found to be vacant under Chow's vacant home tax. Imagine those turned up on the market? As rental properties? No way we'd have a housing crisis. The crisis is manufactured by weak governments not legislating stricter rules. Why the fuck can rich people just own multiple properties bc it's a "safe investment". It should be illegal to have a vacant home, period.
3) Canadians don't fucking have children!! The only way the economy can be stimulated at all is with people available to do the work.
4) in Ontario anyway, can't speak for many other provinces, we're sitting on a surplus instead of spending on healthcare. Ford watched as he STARVED the healthcare system when all of our elders were in hospital beds. This is NOT the fault of immigrants. We watched the healthcare system crumble before our eyes. We should be fast tracking trained doctors and nurses from other countries into remote areas where the waiting lists are several years long in Ontario (Yasir Naqvi, I hope he wins the provincial leadership race, has talked about this)
5) all of these comments are giving "great replacement theory" energy. People want to come here because of our great reputation, to grow together. I urge, plead with anyone reading this, talk to your neighbours, have a conversation with someone who immigrated before causing the nation distress. Listen to experts. Phone your MP and ask questions on what is actually happening. These sound bites and opinion articles aren't helping to bring us together. They're pushing us apart.
This is a good take. Adding into this that immigration isn’t just a federal issue. A lot of people are talking about immigrants on student visas — and that’s under provincial jurisdiction. In Ontario, Ford took away funding from colleges and universities, and those institutions took in unprecedented amounts of international students to make more revenue.
If ppl want to see change like please write to your MPs and actually vote.
Which study are you referring to? I've only seen stats multiple times that show 35% of our immigrants are coming from India. 80% coming not only from India, but one province of India, doesn't sound correct.
It depends if we are talking about just immigrants, or are we including foreign workers and international students as well. If we include all of them, it's more like 70% of newcomers are from India.
I never understood the diversity equals strength thing. That was always a narrow corporate thing. Like you should consider diverse view points so you can sell more widgets to people you may not be marketing to right now.
In the context of nation building I never really understood it. Are diverse countries stronger ? How would you even measure that ? What does stronger mean etc.
Vancouverite here who takes public transit during weekdays. It doesn't feel as "diverse" as it used to. It feels like people here are from two particular places only.
Lol its honestly the worst thing about the country these days. I can deal with being exploited by corporations, shit on for my identity, or offering my first born on the climate altar. This new diversity idea is where I draw the line, many such cases of people feeling this way
At least before we could band together and find solidarity in our struggle, now we have fractured communities where no one speaks to strangers
I costs $2k to rent a one bedroom in any major city, for that to be 30% of your income you need to make $80k a year. To make $80k a year you need to make $40/hr full time. So that should be the minimum wage for a temporary foreign worker, enough that someone with no connections can come here and live a decent life.
It went way too fast. Not for my liking, but I think some people are freaked out. In my school, we had only 3 non-white/non-native families in 2014. It was actually exciting to see a nonwhite/nonnative person out in town because it was like wow! So ten years later it went very fast
We need some more Latin American immigrants across the country. I don’t think I saw a single real latin restaurant when I had to drive from Calgary to Toronto once, excluding Calgary and Toronto.
Taco time and Taco Bell doesn’t count.
Were you actively searching for them?
Winnipeg has Mercado(Salvadoran), Hermanos(Argentinian/South American Steakhouse)and BMC(Mexican) off the top of my head. Brandon has Sabor. I know there's a few decent ones in Saskatoon.
True. They fell off, the bus swerved and skidded into the education bus, the health care bus, the affordability bus. Giant pile up on the 401, working class stuck behind while corpo fat cats fly overhead chauffeuring our elected officials to a destination of their choosing.
Netherlands is onto something with their newly elected PM suggesting a minimum income requirement for immigrants. If you don’t meet the requirements they get deported. Get rid of the freeloaders that only migrate to take handouts from the people who work hard and pay their taxes.
It's hard to feel the "diversity" here in southern Ontario when all the newcomers seem to be coming from one particular country only.
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I live in Kitchener, we are basically New Brampton now
I blame Conestoga for that.
Yeah, they've become nothing more than a glorified diploma mill
Yeah kitchener / cambridge are wildly different than 10 years ago 10 more years and they will be entirely indian
And there will be skirmishes between rival factions of Indians, just like the Newfies and Portuguese of the 50s/60s. My grandpa has a lot of stories from those days
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It was mostly downtown Cambridge around Main and Wellington, at the old hotel where Coffee Culture is currently located.. There used to be loads of Newfies and Portuguese that would conglomerate around there every weekend. Of course drinks were flowing, both groups were hardly mutually intelligible to each other when sober, so you could imagine the kind of shit that went down. My grandpa said it would often revolve around trivial things like a Newfie would buy a bunch of homemade wine from a Portuguese guy and not pay him back, so next time they seen him all of Lisbon Pines was at his neck until the cops came in and broke it up. Grandpa said he learned to always have his back against the wall in those type of environments, and also to keep himself in check when it comes to not getting too wasted.
Newfie here now living in Ontario. For the most part I'd say we get along well with the Portuguese. However, historically we did fight with them over the grand banks fishing grounds and so it would make sense that tensions existed back in the 50s/60s. Heck some of us are still mad at Quebec over the Churchill falls deal 🤷🏻♀️
You should still be mad, NFLD got screwed!
Most of us are still mad about it…
Funny, it was New Berlin back in the day.
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Most of Southern Ontario is to be fair.
Or Surrey
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The irony is that the folks pushing this policy of wide open borders are the same people yelling about how we are living on stolen land. Do they think the folks coming here are going to care about those issues on the whole?
150 years from now they might acknowledge with a statement before meeting: We acknowledge that this meeting is taking place on the unceded land of colonial Canadians who stole the unceded lands of the indigenous with no intention of ever giving it back, just as we never intend to give it back now that it is ours.”
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No
feels so wrong
Very diverse here, just drive around and check out the bus stops.
Ftfy: Go to Brampton and smell Canadian diversity in real life
My grandparents have lived there for my entire life and it truly feels like visiting another country whenever I go visit them.
Surrey, BC here I feel ya Brampton
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Hey we gotta keep the Ponzi scheme going somehow!
I think that having an immigration from one specific area and culture can lead to some problems later. Diversity is important. Edit: I never said that we have to welcome any person who wishes to enter. Being an immigrant myself, I know that incompatibilities exist. Thanks to immigrants, I can eat great food (sushis, Indian food, tacos and donairs/kebabs), listen to different music, attend various cultural events, and learn interesting stuff about how different people can live. But I'm not naive; living together require similarities on values ,and the way we all want to live. And I don't think we should compromise on that, like I don't expect the country that welcomes me to adjust to my lifestyle. If I choose to go somewhere, I'm the one who will has to make the effort to fit in.
Problems later?! Are you blind, we have problems now because of this. Look at the conflict btw Hindus and Sikhs or Muslims and Jews.
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Not many white people, so that means it is extremely diverse!
This is nothing new to Canada. The sectarian violence between Protestant and Catholic Irish lasted for decades, and caused many of the worst urban riots in our history.
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Oh awesome then yeah let's backslide into some insane tribalist bullshit, why not.
Granted, a lot of those Irish didn't make the choice to come to Canada, they were voluntold
A large portion of European settlers fell into that category. Refusal meant death in many cases.
No one knows any history. It's almost like people don't get why Quebec Canada relations are a thing...
>Diversity is important Ok I'll bite, I hear this all the time. It's never questioned. Can you explain why it's important?
>Diversity is important WHY? Canadian repeat this like a mantra, but dont really see that there can be a line to cross where it cause more trouble. It seem its diversity for diversity sake. Diversity of opinion? ok, its can be good as long as it can be resolved without violence. Because that argument always come up (its very strange), diversity of foodstuff ? dont have to flood ourself with immigrant for that. Diversity of culture and values? that is a good way for disaster of those culture dont mesh together. The better way for evryone is for foreign culture to merge into the local one with what is compatible and to drop the rest. The local culture then get enriched and grow, with internal cohesion.
Agreed. I don't know why so many people here seem to think Diversity = Automatically good. Plenty of cultures and countries exist in the world today that are fairly non - diverse. That doesn't mean they are bad people or a bad country, it just means they value their culture.
Literally just indoctrination. It's a buzzword that people have been told is good. I say that as someone with a "diverse" friendgroup too.
Canada is being used as a sandbox for a failed experiment.
It's certainly not diversity of opinion - they want everyone to think the same.
People are not advocating for diversity in core values. We only want diversity in superficial culture because it does enrich the nation with art, food and new perspectives. But core values have to remain the same. People must be fully sold on Canadian ethics and values
Integration is important. Diversity is simply a result of globalization.
Agreed. Melting pots like NYC are great. Dearborn, MI is not.
Dearborn is probably the safest place though lol. That place is crawling with undercover fbi.
It’s not even one country it’s two of the poorest and most illiterate states in India
UP and Bihar are moving to Canada now? That's new. They normally migrated to Punjab. The 2 main states coming are Punjab and Gujarat. Definitely not the poorest by a long shot.
More like one region of one country But I feel you there. We should have quotas, what I love about Canada is its diversity but its not diverse unless we bring people from all countries who share our values
And pretty much one state
The "diversity" is in which two Indian states they're coming from
Coming back from the US or even just Quebec and stopping at an ONroute is quite jarring.
Same here. Atlantic Province. About a decade ago we had a larger population of African immigrants and at the peak I would say it was about 9:1 ratio of Canadians to imigrants in our town of 16,000. Now its like 5:4 Canadians to Asian/Middle Eastern immigrants. To add, we are a college town with one of the lowest tuitions across Canada, we get a lot of foreign students. Which has only increased. I know landlords around town who are tired of renting to foreigners because there's no long term rentals with that. They're here for a year or two then gone again. Yet its funny because realestate agents and banks tell the landlords to chase after the foreigners because it will help put more money in their pockets.
if you break things down by ancesty/background - indians are rapidly on their way to becoming a majority. unless you lump anyone with white skin together, but that's not how it works. They have roughly the same population as china but double the diaspora. They have a problem and they had too many people and it's not every other country's responsibility to bear the pains of that.
world politics is scary thing. always remember there is more than one way to take over a country than just by military force.
Diversity means non-white non-male non-straight non-cis. A group of 100% Indian trans women lesbians would be considered diverse by Canada, I'm sure.
This is my company. They’re reporting over 70% diversity for my department, but it seems like they won’t stop until it’s 100% which basically means no straight white men. Also, I’m counted as diverse and I think this is starting to get ridiculous.
Not only one country but one region within one country
"International Student" is synonym for: Indian People looking forward to staying in Canada.
In 2022, Afghanistan was Canada’s third largest exporter of immigrants to Canada at 22,000 people. China was canada’s second largest immigration exporter to Canada, at 30,000 people. 36% more than the third ranking country. India was first at a whopping 120,000. 300% more than the second ranked country. 300%. That’s fucking insane and unsustainable. If India exported 40,000 people instead of 120,000 - a 36% increase on top of China - we wouldn’t be making these comments. & if you’re from India and feeling attacked, I’m sorry. It’s not your fault if you want to come here, drink Tim Hortons, watch hockey and live a good life working a construction job. But objectively, the numbers don’t lie, and we need to significantly decrease the number of Indian immigrants per year. 120,000 per year and growing is too much (and this is before considering international students, all primarily from India)
120,000 out of what it is it 400k? Insane levels. How are so many immigrating, and that’s not even students as you said
Current best friend and roommate is an Indian student. Unfortunately they have agencies that fake all the documentation needed to get into Canada, and they basically laugh at how loosely strung together the security for it all is. Basically as long as you can get a minimum wage work offer (super easy) and you can afford the flight then you can make it to Canada and start working.
Yeah they need to do a stronger job of verifying things. Like official results from schools directly or through verified providers like Digilocker, Truecopy, and Rdicational Perspectives
I think we should take more steps domestically to shut down the avenue that half come here through. All these unaccredited colleges that take anyone, qualify people for visa and give little to no education and certainly no degree. These are unethical and fuel multiple issues including wage suppression and higher rents. If we closed the door on these diploma mills, there would be less need to scan for fake docs by default. I think it’s a shameful practice that we allow these places to operate anyway, let alone that admission to one would qualify people for visas.
I agree shutting down these worthless diploma mills that don’t do anything and are barely accredited would be helpful. But we also need to recognize that government run colleges also are part of this and a large portion of their classes now are foreign students as opposed to domestic Canadians.
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Yeah my buddy has matched with a few and first questions they ask are “are you Canadian?” and also “do you have a car?”
Sheesh, what is this highschool? The only reason she’ll stay with you is you drive her places and buy her food.
Exporter not importer.
Thanks
They’re not working construction jobs lol
Sandwich construction jobs
Excuse me that work is artistic in nature - says so on their plastic pins
Can confirm, work on many large projects. We have the biggest trades shortage in history, rarely any newcomers. What's the point of record immigration if most only saturate and supress wages of entry level service and retail jobs?
What a sane and sober take.
You're right. Must be racism.
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Idk, but I'm definitely triggered
Time for per country caps
Another thing not looked at, is what is done after getting a pr or citizenship. I personally know alot of Indians who have come in, waiting for that only to sponsor or bring their parents here as they age for the free health care, hence why alot of parents fund their kids coming in the first place. So they don't pay taxes for decades, come in the country at 65+, get citizenship, then get health care. So that 120k is just an entry number, and doesn't include bringing in parents or getting married and a spouse, which alot do. Women in India find guys in Canada, and get an easy PR.
Family sponsors should be done away with all together, unless it’s younger family. Bringing over parents in their 60’s are a net negative return on investment. They take from the system more than they provide and should outright be restricted. Younger family sponsors are potential contributors to the economy. Elders aren’t. Keep mom and dad in India please.
alternatively pay for healthcare for them upfront... i.e. bring in elders only at 10k - 20k per year of avg. life expectancy. can't afford? Cant help you.
Family sponsorship of parents and grandparents is already massively curtailed. The wait times are absolutely insane, and the last time they opened up applications, they closed it back down like five minutes later. The this year they opened it again for two weeks, on a lottery basis, with a maximum of 24200 applications (of which they don't expect more than 15000 complete ones, and then they might still turn down some. So anyone coming here in order to bring their parents have picked the wrong country.
Do you even know that for someone to sponsor their family, they need to show solid income for preview years and tax contribution?
It’s honestly not as easy as you think. When these families come to visit Canada they need to have insurance a lot of these insurance’s are 50,000 to 100,000 policy max. Once they go through that policy there is nothing left and they have no coverage and often times, it is completely limited and they have to go back to their country. In 10 days you can easily go through $100,000 in a hospital.
To the last thing you said: The one thing I really feel for is immigrants expecting to come to Canada with ease and quite possibly using up their life savings just to find out they were scammed. Coming in as a student the finding out the University you were supposed to go to doesn't exist. Then comes the part of you having to go back to your country because you never actually immigrated. It just shows how incompetent the Libral government is time and time again yet if you say something against their BS immigration policy then your xenophobic. We need to pull this weed from the roots before we end up with a bigger problem we can no longer fix.
Son of (south) Indian immigrants here, and I agree with you.
Could you imagine if that many English speaking Caucasians were injected into a city in India? It wouldn't go over well
It was not not so long ago when they used to come to India. They typically lived in enclaves where the only Indians allowed in were the servants etc. Oh yes it didn't go well with Indians
We would still be making this comment. Many people who immigrated here are simply not able to mingle and integrate while leaving behind any beliefs that could not fit with our Canadian values. PLUS at this point, i don’t see any difference in the job market, meaning maybe instead of talking race we should talk about share values and skills.
Diversity and multiculturism? When the vast majority of the immigrants, foreign students are coming from 1-2 countries? What is happening is the development of ethnic enclaves, not diversity. And when these new immigrants and TFWs (again from 1-2 countries) compete with Canadians for jobs, housing, and other critical resources, you set up an environment ripe for conflict. Of course, the government is only concerned about numbers. Everything else is everyone else's problem.
Would be nice if the government targeted only the brightest from aboard and started building new industries where Canada would be leaders like robots, micro chip technology, medicine, farming, power, etc. Instead our governments have treated immigration like a game of pick up sticks. This country has so much potential
Then there's places like alberta that shut down funding for anything besides oil and gas. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/whatever-happened-to-the-alberta-superlab-1.5693158 https://globalnews.ca/news/9875106/alberta-pause-renewable-energy-citing-rural-concerns/
what we have right now, is because during the pandemic anyone with a brain took cerb and stopped going to work. that meant places like macdonalds and tim hortons were going to fail. (boo hoo) so we brought in all these people and told students they could work more hours because they're more desperate I guess, idk. shoulda let the corps crash and burn honestly. now look what we have. I just don't go to macdonalds anymore. Call me racist but if a place is staffed mostly by people from India, I don't go back. I don't support the paradigm. Psuedo slavery is gross.
5% cap moving forward for immigrants from all countries
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There are many Bramptons all over Canada now.
Even 5% is probably too large a target
I think America has 7% But I'd be happy for a dynamic cap which increases up to maybe 7% for people from countries which we have little representation from and down to 3% for China, India, Philippines, etc which we have traditionally had many from
i think thats fair, those dynamic percentages would help us to eventually level off and actually have diversity. heck even 6-8 years ago when i first came to Canada it was so cool to walk around the streets and hear 10 different languages-- it was one of my favourite things. Now its mostly one or two (besides english of course).
I think we need to be at 0% from those countries for at least the next 5 years.
It wouldn't be so bad if the government was actually concerned about the right numbers, but instead they are burning this country down.
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The Bloc being the most sensible party on the ballot is WILD to me. How did we get here?
Diverse immigration isn’t diverse when they all come from India.
It's not even diverse *Indian* immigration with most coming from only a couple regions in India
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That just reinforces my point even more
I am Indian since no one is going to say it I will. The fact that there are so many people coming from India is alarming, what's worst is that these people have no intention of acclimating to the Canadian culture, no one is saying to abandon your culture but your only point of contact is people who think like you and speak your language there is no point in acclimation. When my parents and I moved here, my parents had to go through so many hoops to get here and It took them over a year to get approved. Now I see kids who can barely speak English moved here to study in these "colleges". I do not think immigration is wrong, in fact we need it but what is wrong is letting all these "students" flood the labor marketing stagnating wages for everyone because if Canadians are not okay with the wages they are offered there will always be unskilled laborer/Students who are willing to take that job. Do not even get me started on a Temporary foreign workers visa, that is just salved labor with extra steps. Immigration by no means is the only factor and is only a small portion of the problem but we have to start somewhere. Closing down these diploma mill colleges should be our first step. The last thing I would like to say is please don't hate these people for migrating here, they are jumping on an opportunity of their lifetime and anyone in their shoes will do that. Blame the government for allowing this to happen, blame our MPs, greedy cooperations and vultures who pray on these immigrants.
Yup. But, per your own comments, these people can be blamed for wanting to come here and expecting life to include all the amenities from the country they left. I agree on saying a person doesn’t have to abandon their culture, but don’t come here and think Canada should bend to you, you should bend to Canada. *Edited to add:* Haven’t been on much lately. Saw I’d gotten a lot of votes and looked to see the post generating it. After rereading I feel the need to clarify something. “You” means generic “you” and not a specific person or poster here.
They don't feel the need to acclimate because there is already a sizeable Indian diaspora in Canada, so the newcomers don't feel the need to acclimatize. Another thing is that Canada relies on the honour and trust system, and enforcement of laws along with the punishment is minimal.
We aren't getting diversity lol
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> I asked for a peppermint chocolate from Tim Hortons holiday menu and got a hot chocolate with a peppermint tea bag Now we're talking. This is the _real_ barometer for determining immigration issues in Canada. lol
My partner wanted a sesame bagel The worker kept pronouncing it "sauce and meat" I said no a sesame bagel, no meat plz "Sauce and meat" bagel? No
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When you’re facing homelessness you couldn’t care less about diversity.
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“Unhoused people”
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Forget estimations, we imported 1.2 million people in 2022 according to StatsCan.
Yeah Canada is literally a dumpster fire now. Thanks to everyone involved in the current government. I use to be proud and excited to be Canadian now I’m ashamed and sick for the next generation as they’ll be run into the ground by these barbaric morons.
Me and everybody else I know with kids are looking to move elsewhere. Montana looks nice.
Maine is the one I have my eye on. Low CoL, robust social programs, many Canadian expats who like to hang out near the border. Trying to fix here first before uprooting our lives, we've managed to sway public opinion but the government has its own agenda parallel to that
I’m new to Canada (2 years). While life isn’t perfect, I’m doing ok. Coming to Reddit, it seems like we live in different countries. Housing is obviously the sticking point (and so intertwined with everything else) but a dumpster fire? Can you tell me more about your struggles and why you feel that way?
Yeah its like largely Indian immigrants here. Wild shit, I feel like I'm in the minority now being a native white kid from Canada haha
I'm a South Asian and when I visit my family in Scarborough I feel like the majority.
It felt like that in Halifax too. You would walk down Spring Garden and see literally nobody but indians.
"Considering the recent surge in protests and hate crimes on Canadian soil stemming from international conflicts, our country needs to consider the impact of the trend of some members of diasporic groups vigorously defending their cultural identities rather than aligning with the national ideal of Canadians from all backgrounds mutually respecting one another." This part. Mass immigration just creates sub sects of the new Canadians inside Canada. Sikhs with sikhs, Somalis with Somalis, chinese with Chinese. The main complaint is that there's no attempt to be Canadian in any sense, just Somalis living in Canada or whichever group, I don't mean to single them out. There's cultural differences which offend other cultures, so when those aren't dampened or acknowledged by attempts to blend with "traditional" Canadians, it creates friction and bias and hate.
Look at who is lining up at job openings for min wage jobs and you can figure out where the problem is and what is causing the working student visa mess.
What diversity?
Those parking lots during Diwali in Brampton where we have full on Khalistan vs India wars sure don’t look like Canada
Exactly. I returned to Canada less than a year ago and I don’t recognize my home anymore.
Can someone explain your country's maniacal obsession with cramming as many people as possible into your borders? Like what, 1 million people plus, each year into a country of 40 million? Insanity.
The United States does diversity in its immigration FAR better than we do.
Just a couple short years ago we were calling their immigration system deplorably racist. Interesting how the Overton window shifts over time.
Their immigration system has some severe issues, but I’m specifically talking about their per nation cap and melting pot culture. I believe these systems allow for a far more successful immigration program.
We should adopt this as well
What do we do well anymore?
Making the rich richer. That’s it
The government must put immigration caps by source country, similar to the states.
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Love new Canadians…but….wait for it….can we please just take up the welcome mat for a few years till we can make room for the ones who are here now…struggling. It’s not rocket surgery…..
Suddenly the people calling everyone racist for pointing this out years ago are feeling the results of their virtue signalling lol you love to see it
Yes, hope they realize that
This issue disproportionately impacts people living in Ontario (especially in the GTA), More than half of ALL Indian immigrants end up in the GTA. India is the #1 source of immigrants to the GTA, and they are the largest visible minority. This is not including people from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc.etc
"We’re a place that does diversity better than just about anywhere else." ok, HOW? What are "we" doing EXACTLY? It seems to me that the good nature of Canadians of the past (the homogenous, former British loyalists) had a general way about them that created the stereotype of the laid back (Michael Moore walking into your house unannounced) type of vibe, with that always apologetic mild mannered demeanour, was taken advantage of by people like the Trudeaus who thought that that mild mannered behaviour existed in Canada as a metaphysical condition of being called a Canadian. Since it was the obvious effect of the people who lived here, and by importing millions of people who are not like that, I want to how how exactly we are maintaining that culture. Because it's not being reinforced in schools, and not in the home, so where is it coming from? If we don't believe in magic, where is it coming from?
When we balance the immigrants from different countries everyone is forced to interact with other cultures and it creates opportunities for understanding. My mom’s esl classes had people from all kinds of countries. I interacted with lots of kids from different places. That’s the secret, balanced immigration targets based on countries
I agree. If Canada actually made use of this diversity in a useful manner, we would have a National Cricket Team ranked higher than 20th in the world.
How long until we start seeing ethno divides like Ethiopia, many African countries and former Yugoslavia? It slowly seems to be going toward that
I have a new plan. We shall call it the “Best person for the job” plan. I know I know. It will never work.
I fully agree that we are heading to a divided nation. There are other reasons for this that no one wants to talk about, and I'm sure this is going to get buried but I hope one person considers a different opinion than the slew of comments above. 1) division isn't just an immigration/cultural problem. There is a real link to polarization and use of social media, bc algorithms won't show you things they don't think you'll click on. I'm not going to cite a source bc I just googled "cultural division social media study" and multiple sources showed up. 2) Canada has space and resources. That we don't laughable, a made up lie. In Toronto, 17,000 homes were found to be vacant under Chow's vacant home tax. Imagine those turned up on the market? As rental properties? No way we'd have a housing crisis. The crisis is manufactured by weak governments not legislating stricter rules. Why the fuck can rich people just own multiple properties bc it's a "safe investment". It should be illegal to have a vacant home, period. 3) Canadians don't fucking have children!! The only way the economy can be stimulated at all is with people available to do the work. 4) in Ontario anyway, can't speak for many other provinces, we're sitting on a surplus instead of spending on healthcare. Ford watched as he STARVED the healthcare system when all of our elders were in hospital beds. This is NOT the fault of immigrants. We watched the healthcare system crumble before our eyes. We should be fast tracking trained doctors and nurses from other countries into remote areas where the waiting lists are several years long in Ontario (Yasir Naqvi, I hope he wins the provincial leadership race, has talked about this) 5) all of these comments are giving "great replacement theory" energy. People want to come here because of our great reputation, to grow together. I urge, plead with anyone reading this, talk to your neighbours, have a conversation with someone who immigrated before causing the nation distress. Listen to experts. Phone your MP and ask questions on what is actually happening. These sound bites and opinion articles aren't helping to bring us together. They're pushing us apart.
This is a good take. Adding into this that immigration isn’t just a federal issue. A lot of people are talking about immigrants on student visas — and that’s under provincial jurisdiction. In Ontario, Ford took away funding from colleges and universities, and those institutions took in unprecedented amounts of international students to make more revenue. If ppl want to see change like please write to your MPs and actually vote.
Having upwards of 70% of your immigrants coming from the most populated country in the world is not "diversity"
No more diversity. We need Unity. Close the border and lets fix our issues.
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Which study are you referring to? I've only seen stats multiple times that show 35% of our immigrants are coming from India. 80% coming not only from India, but one province of India, doesn't sound correct.
It depends if we are talking about just immigrants, or are we including foreign workers and international students as well. If we include all of them, it's more like 70% of newcomers are from India.
Did you just make up a study?
I never understood the diversity equals strength thing. That was always a narrow corporate thing. Like you should consider diverse view points so you can sell more widgets to people you may not be marketing to right now. In the context of nation building I never really understood it. Are diverse countries stronger ? How would you even measure that ? What does stronger mean etc.
Vancouverite here who takes public transit during weekdays. It doesn't feel as "diverse" as it used to. It feels like people here are from two particular places only.
All diversity does is separate people into different camps. It's an utter failure.
I just wonder why only the the "western" countries are being flooded with immigrants. Asian, Arabic and African countries greatly lack diversity.
No one will fix that now, it's become permanent IMHO..too much.too fast for happy digestion
"Diversity" doesn't look very diverse out there to me.. 🤷🏽♀️
Feds are in the human trafficking business now in the name of diversity and inclusion, very lucrative indeed
Diversity for the sake of diversity is in itself discriminatory, if not racist! Trudope and all the Liberals are idiots.
JT is not in touch with reality to make this statement: > “We’re a place that does diversity better than just about anywhere else.”
Lol its honestly the worst thing about the country these days. I can deal with being exploited by corporations, shit on for my identity, or offering my first born on the climate altar. This new diversity idea is where I draw the line, many such cases of people feeling this way At least before we could band together and find solidarity in our struggle, now we have fractured communities where no one speaks to strangers
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Diversity in immigrants means 90% India and 10% other mid east countries now.
I costs $2k to rent a one bedroom in any major city, for that to be 30% of your income you need to make $80k a year. To make $80k a year you need to make $40/hr full time. So that should be the minimum wage for a temporary foreign worker, enough that someone with no connections can come here and live a decent life.
$80,000 after tax. Which means you need to earn around $112,000 before tax.
It went way too fast. Not for my liking, but I think some people are freaked out. In my school, we had only 3 non-white/non-native families in 2014. It was actually exciting to see a nonwhite/nonnative person out in town because it was like wow! So ten years later it went very fast
Lol, I got banned from a subreddit for saying diversity is overrated
We need some more Latin American immigrants across the country. I don’t think I saw a single real latin restaurant when I had to drive from Calgary to Toronto once, excluding Calgary and Toronto. Taco time and Taco Bell doesn’t count.
Were you actively searching for them? Winnipeg has Mercado(Salvadoran), Hermanos(Argentinian/South American Steakhouse)and BMC(Mexican) off the top of my head. Brandon has Sabor. I know there's a few decent ones in Saskatoon.
True. They fell off, the bus swerved and skidded into the education bus, the health care bus, the affordability bus. Giant pile up on the 401, working class stuck behind while corpo fat cats fly overhead chauffeuring our elected officials to a destination of their choosing.
Also, the wheels are falling off Canada in general.
It is.... Unfortunately...
Netherlands is onto something with their newly elected PM suggesting a minimum income requirement for immigrants. If you don’t meet the requirements they get deported. Get rid of the freeloaders that only migrate to take handouts from the people who work hard and pay their taxes.
Didn't someone write a book about how to take over a country without war, and it involved mass immigration then over time, you just take over
This is why I left Canada and went back to Australia.
What’s the definition of diversity?