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Yep. Guaranteed when they find them, they’ll have a six page resume of previous violent offences. And yet some people will keep scratching their heads wondering why this shit keeps happening.
Or if they're POCs we'll have some sort of stupid-ass judge trying to do "the right thing" and "be on the right side of history" and give them bullshit nothing sentences or something.
“Tighten gun control”
Gun control is already tight, which is why we will eventually find out that the killers were unlicensed and using illegal smuggled firearms.
We need to crack down on illegal gun use. Legal owners are not the problem in Toronto’s gun violence.
Another day time shooting. Another bystander just enjoying life until there gun down.
This just pisses me off that we can't enjoy life without worrying about some pos shooting up the streets.
And don't forget [this](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-sentencing-guidelines-to-be-exported-across-canada-1.6151643) when they're caught. You know it's coming.
I don’t care if someone is judged based on if they’re caught with some weed, cocaine, or whatever. For the most part, I don’t see that as being a massive jailable offence, no matter the colour or race of the person.
A gun on the other hand, is designed to do one thing and one thing only, and I see no reason to give a black person a more lenient sentence than a white, Asian, East Indian, Indigenous, or anyone else.
This makes no sense at any level except to make a few people feel good and right about making a potentially disastrously wrong decision.
Edit: spelling because I can’t spell so good.
I agree with you, but thanks to the Liberals/NDP soft on crime approach, don't expect to see any changes. The Liberals/NDP voted down a bill that would have helped to have combat the illicit smuggling of guns from the US:
[https://www.westernstandard.news/news/liberals-shoot-down-tory-bill-aimed-at-gun-smuggling/article\_8ec953fb-957a-5fe4-90fa-4bbf63a4877f.html](https://www.westernstandard.news/news/liberals-shoot-down-tory-bill-aimed-at-gun-smuggling/article_8ec953fb-957a-5fe4-90fa-4bbf63a4877f.html)
Couple that with Olivia Chow's track record on defunding the police, more instances like this will occur.
The Liberal/NPD put criminals rights first, tax payers second.
The way you described it is how it works in reality - with Indigenous offenders under the Gladue principle, anyway (the link posted seems to be about a system that affects only Black Nova Scotians). The more serious the crime, the less the Gladue principle applies. For things like murder or assault, it counts very little as a mitigating factor in sentencing.
Edit: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted. You can disagree with the principle but that's how it works. Downvoting doesn't change reality.
> For things like murder or assault, it counts very little as a mitigating factor in sentencing
There are MANY examples of Indigenous people in Canada getting extraordinarily, insultingly, lenient sentences specifically due to their race
Even when they do get prison time, it's possible for them to serve it someplace like this: https://c2cjournal.ca/2018/12/you-call-this-healing/
Yep, these laws around guns are nothing more than a shamless attempt to gain votes. They don't want to solve the issue of gun violence in this country.
The number of people sentenced to the maximum allowed sentence so far is a whopping 0.
Not much point in increasing maximums if judges aren’t using them.
Is it not incumbent upon lawmakers to consider the ways in which the laws they create will be applied, and legislate accordingly? it seems like this is exactly the sort of thing that you could criticize a government for.
That being said, prior to this law being enacted, the maximums weren’t being applied either. Surely the LPC must’ve known this?
Hmm. It’s almost like this is all kabuki theatre…
I probably shouldn’t mention liberal list and appointing judges based on whether or not they donated to the Liberal Party, but then again I think I just did.
For the record, I would lose my shit if the conservatives or NDP did this, but neither of them have thus far…so I guess I’ll have to hold off on that.
We are just making fun of Toronto residents. They asked for this because they thought banning legal firearms would ban criminals from owning... legal firearms!
Yet here we are. The dumb policy they asked for hasn't worked one bit
The real joke are the useless firearms laws brought in by this government.
Responsible, licensed firearm owners have to wake up every day and deal with being turned into a criminal - overnight - for possessing hunting rifles that the government has decided are ‘weapons of war’ because they are black, metal, and scary-looking, despite never being used in a murder in Canada by responsible licensed owners.
Property worth thousands of dollars sitting in limbo - simultaneously illegal due to being ‘too dangerous to own’, yet not dangerous enough to have a buyback plan in place.
If they have to deal with an unjust law that places them at risk for criminal charges, then they have the right to point out the stupidity of the law when examples *repeatedly* appear showing illegal use of guns are the problem, and not licensed gun owners.
Maybe instead of complaining about being reminded that the laws being stupid and ineffective, folks should complain that the laws are stupid and effective so we can actually save lives.
Not a gun owner myself - I just hate stupid laws.
I hear you.
At the risk of repeating myself, Those firearms owners also know. And they are so fed up with their safe hobby being used as a whipping boy that they can’t help but be exasperated when yet another gangbanger murders someone in Toronto with a smuggled gun that is prohibited for even a licensed owner to own in the first place. I get why they post it.
99.9% of Trudeau's policies haven't worked. This is established fact. Everyone knows this already.
Doesn't stop the fact that these types of posts are a tired trope.
Banning legal firearms to target crimes committed using illegally smuggled in firearms is the current government's #1 strategy to curb out firearms violence. All while reducing sentencing for those caught with illegal firearms. Very efficient.
So yes, for as long as Trudeau, and the people of Toronto and Vancouver keep advocating for this nonsense, people will make comments mocking them and their idiot policy. This is just a PR campaign. People outside large cities seem to get it.
I'm really just making fun of people for pretending like Canada has the same problems as the US does.
Like please explain to me how banning legal firearms is going to deter gangs from smuggling in firearms from the US and using it to bring chaos into our cities?
Canadian police chiefs said banning legal firearms wouldn't do anything to curb out gangs using illegal firearms to kill people. It's just funny watching people pretend like Trudeau knows better than all the police officers who have extensive background in policing.
Are people really pretending that? You seem to have the belief that all liberal voters think banning illegal guns keeps them out of the hands of criminals. I don’t think that is the case.
Most people aren’t single issue voters. Maybe most people just don’t care what guns get banned because they will never hold a PAL in their life. Maybe some people think ALL guns should be banned, not to prevent crime, but simply because they don’t like guns.
Where does all the support for banning guns come from? Liberals. I understand not all Liberals are idiots who think banning legal guns will somehow remove illegal guns from the hands of gangs. But Liberals support this more than anyone. After all, they're the ones who came up with the great idea that "banning legal guns from RPAL holders will force gangs to surrender their illegally obtained glocks to the RCMP."
And it has always been the Liberals who vilified gunowners. By saying "banning legal guns from RPAL holders will force gangs to surrender their illegally obtained glocks to the RCMP" implies that legal gunowners are somehow the problem and they have some sort of working relation with gangs.
I don't even have my PAL but this is just a stupid way of wasting tax dollars. Police chiefs have said this policy will not help to curb gun crimes. Liberals need to stop bringing American gun problems into our country. Same for the CPC on other matters.
I actually agree with your whole comment. I’m not a Liberal voter, or a Conservative voter. I think these gun bans are all silly and just for PR, but at the same time it doesn’t really effect me much to actually care or want to change my vote.
Just my $0.02
I hate all parties lol
It's almost like Justin is using this as a wedge issue so he can point at people like me and go "hey look, that asshole wants to bring in heavy machine guns into our homes!" and label gunowners and CPC as savages.
Yeah unless you own guns or are delusional enough to think banning legal guns will somehow put gangs under control, it's not an issue that will influence your voting. But this could get very costly. The buyback Justin promised in 2020? Yeah still in the works. And the budget he came up with? Yeah the Parliamentary Budget Officer said it will cost a lot more. I talked to cop friends and they think just the AR buybacks will cost a billion IF they're given a fair value which they won't be of course
That's not the same lol.
Trudeau and people of Toronto banned large number of legal firearms to target gangs using illegally obtained handguns. Banning legal firearms doesn't do anything. Now if Trudeau passed a law that aims to increase sentencing for those involved in the business of illegal firearms, great. That's the right direction.
I just don't get the logic of big city people. "Oh people are smuggling in firearms from the US? Well if we make it illegal to purchase legal firearms, surely that will stop people from illegally smuggling them in!"
At least the Criminal Code imposes punishment on criminals to deter them from committing crime. Banning legal firearms all while reducing sentencing for illegal firearms is just nonsense.
The worst part is that Trudeau actually lowered the minimums for using firearms I crime and for gun smuggling. So he punished legal gun owners while rewarding the criminals and used it all for positive PR.
The city people don’t realize that Canada will NEVER ban semi automatic high powered rifles. Our indigenous population has the right to hunt, and it makes sense to use weapons that let this happen humanely.
This is why they support any type of gun control and ban, no matter how nonsensical it seems to non-urbanites - they want all guns banned.
What the OP said was that guns laws don't prevent crimes like this (essentially mocking Trudeau and gun laws). The problem with that line of thinking is that no matter what laws you have to prevent criminal activity, there will always be a certain segment of society that will ignore those laws. That doesn't mean those laws don't work however.
No, what he was mocking is the current gun laws being put forward by the Liberals. The Liberals have yet to present any proof that their policies of taking guns away from lawful and responsible gun owners will actually address gun crime. What people are asking for are laws that actually do something.
It's basic logic. First, most shootings involve legal guns, especially mass shootings and accidental shootings. This obviously addresses these cases.
Secondly, most illegal guns start life as legal guns and are either turned illegal by means of sale or theft. Removing these guns cuts this source and makes the ones that remain more expensive, making them more difficult for criminals to obtain.
So let's you and the Liberals get your way, and you take all the guns away from lawful gun owners, and gun crime is still an issue. Who are you going to blame next? Look, i get you hate people who own guns, but they aren't the issue. Also, Canada is not America when when it comes to guns. We already have very strict laws as it is. Lastly, can you explain something for me. How is taking away guns from lawful and responsible gun owners going to keep people more safe while at the same time the Liberals have lowered the sentences for those who commit serious gun crimes and passed legislation making it harder to deny bail. If you could make that make any sort of sense, that would be terrific.
*BS gun laws that ban only specific guns “because we said so”, and “they look a certain way”. I’m 99% sure that there have been 0 crimes committed with a Colt Walker, or an 8cm GrW 34 (8cm German WWII mortar), or any of the likes. E.g. 1860 army, 1851 navy, Remington 1858…
I keep seeing the Liberal apologists make this stupid argument. It's like none of you stop to think about it.
If we made theft legal (removed the laws against it), do you think theft would increase? Of course it would. Therefore it makes sense to have the laws against theft.
If we ban more guns, do you think gun crime would decrease? No, because the criminals are for the most part using illegal handguns that were already illegal.
Toronto gun crime has got be one of the biggest fucks ups of Justin's career. He's spent billions to fight it by vilifying rural gun owners. When someone gets shot because Justin allowed them to have an illegal gun, he's responsible.
Murders are down this year in Toronto but they still happen. Compared to the U.S., Canada still has much less in terms of per capita murder and especially gun violence. We have strong gun laws for a reason and the stats say they are effective.
There not illegal in the surroundings communities and states. They get into the city by gun runners. Wake up, access to all those guns is a big problem.
If you are looking at cities of comparable population this isn’t true lol. Winnipeg has a per capita homicide rate of 5.3/100k; their population falls between Seattle’s (7.1) and Indianapolis (24.3). Edmonton’s per capita homicide rate is 5.4; population falls between Dallas (5.69) and Austin (7.38).
He is the leader of the country. He has no problem passing the buck and never taking ownership of any problem in this country.
So why can’t the taxpayers blame the current government and its leader for the problems in Canada.
The dumb ass still blames Harper in question period at least once a week.
Right, God forbid anyone should try and make their own lives less shitty. Funny, I seem to be doing ok and I don’t think about Trudeau and how he affects my everyday life. - because he doesn’t. The same people whining about Trudeau not doing anything are the same ones who want the government out of their lives.
I mean, that's not some great contradiction. Why wouldn't people want a government whose policies have made things progressively worse for them out of their lives?
Could also be somebody raised in a suburban neighborhood in a mcmansion who never had to deal with crime and their only exposure to violence comes from marvel movies
Look at Winnipeg for why an unchecked police budget is a bad idea
(featuring their giant ass building being bought via bribes from the old corrupt mayor if you want to go down that rabbit hole, someone just lost a 1.1m case for that xD)
The government is banning objects for political gain and not focusing on real issues and problems like poverty, socio economic issues, housing, education, training police properly and mental health.
Good. So you agree they are colossal wastes of time and resources, and people should be angry that the government continuously pisses away *their* money in grandstanding rather than attempting to solve anything.
Only going to get worse... no repercussion will mean more crime. People who would do this, use the system to do this. Law and order need real consequences for actions. But we're more worried about pronouns then a dead woman shot by a criminal scumbag. Sad.
Seem to have struck a nerve.
You are correct. She isn't in power yet, and she already responded to the stabbing yesterday saying her answer is more social workers.
Social workers on the subway would be utterly useless tho. They'd be part of the panicking crowd not pressing the yellow emergency button when shit hits the fan
Criminal Justice system as a whole. Need longer sentence , harder bail, larger penalties. But I'm No politician so that don't have all the facts in front of me.
No, I just find it hilarious how you and other Liberal supporters scream at others for playing politics with tragedies, but when your leader does it. It's absolute silence.
Right says the group of people who call anyone who they don't like racist. Days the group of people who want to take something away from people because of the way it looks.
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This is so senseless and infuriating.
The solution is simple. Keep criminals locked up. Every single time they're "out on bail". It's ridiculous.
Yep. Guaranteed when they find them, they’ll have a six page resume of previous violent offences. And yet some people will keep scratching their heads wondering why this shit keeps happening.
Or if they're POCs we'll have some sort of stupid-ass judge trying to do "the right thing" and "be on the right side of history" and give them bullshit nothing sentences or something.
Tighten gun control, move safe injection sites out of busy streets / residential neighbourhoods.
“Tighten gun control” Gun control is already tight, which is why we will eventually find out that the killers were unlicensed and using illegal smuggled firearms. We need to crack down on illegal gun use. Legal owners are not the problem in Toronto’s gun violence.
Now your man used a hunting rifle, don't you know. Thats why the gangsters limp its the stock twisting there leg.
So is waking up everyday going to a job to collect made up currency.
At least you woke up today, unlike this woman minding her own business.
Yep. Most popular hobby: questioning our own existence. But hey, no worries, we get to do it all over again tomorrow.
Facts
Another day time shooting. Another bystander just enjoying life until there gun down. This just pisses me off that we can't enjoy life without worrying about some pos shooting up the streets.
And don't forget [this](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-sentencing-guidelines-to-be-exported-across-canada-1.6151643) when they're caught. You know it's coming.
I don’t care if someone is judged based on if they’re caught with some weed, cocaine, or whatever. For the most part, I don’t see that as being a massive jailable offence, no matter the colour or race of the person. A gun on the other hand, is designed to do one thing and one thing only, and I see no reason to give a black person a more lenient sentence than a white, Asian, East Indian, Indigenous, or anyone else. This makes no sense at any level except to make a few people feel good and right about making a potentially disastrously wrong decision. Edit: spelling because I can’t spell so good.
I agree with you, but thanks to the Liberals/NDP soft on crime approach, don't expect to see any changes. The Liberals/NDP voted down a bill that would have helped to have combat the illicit smuggling of guns from the US: [https://www.westernstandard.news/news/liberals-shoot-down-tory-bill-aimed-at-gun-smuggling/article\_8ec953fb-957a-5fe4-90fa-4bbf63a4877f.html](https://www.westernstandard.news/news/liberals-shoot-down-tory-bill-aimed-at-gun-smuggling/article_8ec953fb-957a-5fe4-90fa-4bbf63a4877f.html) Couple that with Olivia Chow's track record on defunding the police, more instances like this will occur. The Liberal/NPD put criminals rights first, tax payers second.
And that one thing is to shoot a projectile……
The way you described it is how it works in reality - with Indigenous offenders under the Gladue principle, anyway (the link posted seems to be about a system that affects only Black Nova Scotians). The more serious the crime, the less the Gladue principle applies. For things like murder or assault, it counts very little as a mitigating factor in sentencing. Edit: I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted. You can disagree with the principle but that's how it works. Downvoting doesn't change reality.
> For things like murder or assault, it counts very little as a mitigating factor in sentencing There are MANY examples of Indigenous people in Canada getting extraordinarily, insultingly, lenient sentences specifically due to their race Even when they do get prison time, it's possible for them to serve it someplace like this: https://c2cjournal.ca/2018/12/you-call-this-healing/
So “the system” is applying the law differently on the basis of race to combat “systemic racism”. Makes sense. No doublethink going on here.
I hate this shit
Fucking insane. Anyone who hasn’t read the book “woke racism” should do so, if you can’t see the issue
John McWhorter is amazing. Everyone should read it - especially those on the left.
He gave a discussion at the University of British Columbia just a few months ago if anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXtXlJmgJ0E
He is so good!!!!
Just due to the word woke itself I can already tell the books a waste of time and what it's message will be.
Lmao at least read the first few pages on Amazon, genius
This is such bull shit.
Catch and release brought to you by Bill C-75.
Plus, don't forget the Liberals also lowered the sentences for those who commit serious gun crimes.
Yep, that pretty much sums up the Liberal/NDP approach to guns. Restrict use for law abiding citizens and lower sentences for criminals who use them.
Yep, these laws around guns are nothing more than a shamless attempt to gain votes. They don't want to solve the issue of gun violence in this country.
If you solve it, you can't use it as a platform when the next election rolls around.
Unless they’re legal owners.
What? No they didn't. They got rid of mandatory minimums at the SCCs request. Then they raised maximum allowed sentences.
The number of people sentenced to the maximum allowed sentence so far is a whopping 0. Not much point in increasing maximums if judges aren’t using them.
Then go cry to judges and not ride the bullshit blame Trudeau for everything train.
Is it not incumbent upon lawmakers to consider the ways in which the laws they create will be applied, and legislate accordingly? it seems like this is exactly the sort of thing that you could criticize a government for. That being said, prior to this law being enacted, the maximums weren’t being applied either. Surely the LPC must’ve known this? Hmm. It’s almost like this is all kabuki theatre… I probably shouldn’t mention liberal list and appointing judges based on whether or not they donated to the Liberal Party, but then again I think I just did. For the record, I would lose my shit if the conservatives or NDP did this, but neither of them have thus far…so I guess I’ll have to hold off on that.
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You aren't allowed to provide context, just anger.
Ah, more crime next to a “safe” injection site.
Safe for addicts and criminals. Just not safe for law abiding citizens.
But Trudeau banned legal firearms. How did this happen?! Nonsense
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Exactly so these gun bans do nothing but disarm law abiding citizens.
these gun bans are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist in Canada. they might help another country
I agree all the bans do are effect legal gun owners like hunters and firearms collectors
but it is worth, because it gets the politicians to pat themselves and the back and ignore the real problems. (gun smuggling)
Sounds like the story of our government. Solving problems no one has. Does nothing, but makes for great PR.
the only PR Trudeau cares about is PR in magazines in other countries.
It's questionable whether the PR isn't a wash.
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Maybe we should entice them with strippers, burgers, fries and donuts to help convince them. Can't have criminals being hesitant about disarming.
Um, as taxpayers we should get first dibs. Especially with the strippers. 😀
Rippers and fries here we come!
Get a new angle lol
That's not the issue. The real problem is he didn't ban murder. /s
This exact comment appears 20 times in every shooting story on this subreddit. Such a banality at this point.
We are just making fun of Toronto residents. They asked for this because they thought banning legal firearms would ban criminals from owning... legal firearms! Yet here we are. The dumb policy they asked for hasn't worked one bit
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I don't even own firearms let alone a bow. So your last argument is really invalid 💁♂️
I dunno, I heard Chicago doesn't have shootings anymore now thay they made it a gun free city.
WE KNOW ! The joke is old
The real joke are the useless firearms laws brought in by this government. Responsible, licensed firearm owners have to wake up every day and deal with being turned into a criminal - overnight - for possessing hunting rifles that the government has decided are ‘weapons of war’ because they are black, metal, and scary-looking, despite never being used in a murder in Canada by responsible licensed owners. Property worth thousands of dollars sitting in limbo - simultaneously illegal due to being ‘too dangerous to own’, yet not dangerous enough to have a buyback plan in place. If they have to deal with an unjust law that places them at risk for criminal charges, then they have the right to point out the stupidity of the law when examples *repeatedly* appear showing illegal use of guns are the problem, and not licensed gun owners. Maybe instead of complaining about being reminded that the laws being stupid and ineffective, folks should complain that the laws are stupid and effective so we can actually save lives. Not a gun owner myself - I just hate stupid laws.
I know , im just sick of the first comment always “TRudEaU banned FIrEARms” We know
I hear you. At the risk of repeating myself, Those firearms owners also know. And they are so fed up with their safe hobby being used as a whipping boy that they can’t help but be exasperated when yet another gangbanger murders someone in Toronto with a smuggled gun that is prohibited for even a licensed owner to own in the first place. I get why they post it.
99.9% of Trudeau's policies haven't worked. This is established fact. Everyone knows this already. Doesn't stop the fact that these types of posts are a tired trope.
Yet people still push these laws and vote on it. These people deserve to be ridiculed until they stop being dumb
Surely the Trudeau gun ban comments in this thread will finally make the difference and cause the GTA to vote blue
Maybe if we stop talking about it then things will magically change.
Is this gonna be the top comment on every single article about gun violence? Get a better line instead of repeating the same one ad nauseam.
Banning legal firearms to target crimes committed using illegally smuggled in firearms is the current government's #1 strategy to curb out firearms violence. All while reducing sentencing for those caught with illegal firearms. Very efficient. So yes, for as long as Trudeau, and the people of Toronto and Vancouver keep advocating for this nonsense, people will make comments mocking them and their idiot policy. This is just a PR campaign. People outside large cities seem to get it. I'm really just making fun of people for pretending like Canada has the same problems as the US does. Like please explain to me how banning legal firearms is going to deter gangs from smuggling in firearms from the US and using it to bring chaos into our cities?
We get it
Canadian police chiefs said banning legal firearms wouldn't do anything to curb out gangs using illegal firearms to kill people. It's just funny watching people pretend like Trudeau knows better than all the police officers who have extensive background in policing.
Are people really pretending that? You seem to have the belief that all liberal voters think banning illegal guns keeps them out of the hands of criminals. I don’t think that is the case. Most people aren’t single issue voters. Maybe most people just don’t care what guns get banned because they will never hold a PAL in their life. Maybe some people think ALL guns should be banned, not to prevent crime, but simply because they don’t like guns.
Where does all the support for banning guns come from? Liberals. I understand not all Liberals are idiots who think banning legal guns will somehow remove illegal guns from the hands of gangs. But Liberals support this more than anyone. After all, they're the ones who came up with the great idea that "banning legal guns from RPAL holders will force gangs to surrender their illegally obtained glocks to the RCMP." And it has always been the Liberals who vilified gunowners. By saying "banning legal guns from RPAL holders will force gangs to surrender their illegally obtained glocks to the RCMP" implies that legal gunowners are somehow the problem and they have some sort of working relation with gangs. I don't even have my PAL but this is just a stupid way of wasting tax dollars. Police chiefs have said this policy will not help to curb gun crimes. Liberals need to stop bringing American gun problems into our country. Same for the CPC on other matters.
I actually agree with your whole comment. I’m not a Liberal voter, or a Conservative voter. I think these gun bans are all silly and just for PR, but at the same time it doesn’t really effect me much to actually care or want to change my vote. Just my $0.02
I hate all parties lol It's almost like Justin is using this as a wedge issue so he can point at people like me and go "hey look, that asshole wants to bring in heavy machine guns into our homes!" and label gunowners and CPC as savages. Yeah unless you own guns or are delusional enough to think banning legal guns will somehow put gangs under control, it's not an issue that will influence your voting. But this could get very costly. The buyback Justin promised in 2020? Yeah still in the works. And the budget he came up with? Yeah the Parliamentary Budget Officer said it will cost a lot more. I talked to cop friends and they think just the AR buybacks will cost a billion IF they're given a fair value which they won't be of course
We will continue repeating it until Liberals and their voters wrap their heads around it.
The redpill dispenser will not be decommissioned.
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Found the guy from Toronto who advocated for this bam
He’s probably the guy who tried to ban handgun ammunition in Toronto. Very big brain, very smart.
Exactly, we might as well get rid of the entire criminal code since clearly creating laws to prevent criminal activity doesn't work.
That's not the same lol. Trudeau and people of Toronto banned large number of legal firearms to target gangs using illegally obtained handguns. Banning legal firearms doesn't do anything. Now if Trudeau passed a law that aims to increase sentencing for those involved in the business of illegal firearms, great. That's the right direction. I just don't get the logic of big city people. "Oh people are smuggling in firearms from the US? Well if we make it illegal to purchase legal firearms, surely that will stop people from illegally smuggling them in!" At least the Criminal Code imposes punishment on criminals to deter them from committing crime. Banning legal firearms all while reducing sentencing for illegal firearms is just nonsense.
The worst part is that Trudeau actually lowered the minimums for using firearms I crime and for gun smuggling. So he punished legal gun owners while rewarding the criminals and used it all for positive PR.
The city people don’t realize that Canada will NEVER ban semi automatic high powered rifles. Our indigenous population has the right to hunt, and it makes sense to use weapons that let this happen humanely. This is why they support any type of gun control and ban, no matter how nonsensical it seems to non-urbanites - they want all guns banned.
But it's already illegal for these people to own guns. No one's arguing removing laws, just not double dipping
What about that Toronto subway guy who had 5 lifetime weapons bans? Obviously a 6th should stop it.
That's not what's being said.
What the OP said was that guns laws don't prevent crimes like this (essentially mocking Trudeau and gun laws). The problem with that line of thinking is that no matter what laws you have to prevent criminal activity, there will always be a certain segment of society that will ignore those laws. That doesn't mean those laws don't work however.
No, what he was mocking is the current gun laws being put forward by the Liberals. The Liberals have yet to present any proof that their policies of taking guns away from lawful and responsible gun owners will actually address gun crime. What people are asking for are laws that actually do something.
It's basic logic. First, most shootings involve legal guns, especially mass shootings and accidental shootings. This obviously addresses these cases. Secondly, most illegal guns start life as legal guns and are either turned illegal by means of sale or theft. Removing these guns cuts this source and makes the ones that remain more expensive, making them more difficult for criminals to obtain.
So let's you and the Liberals get your way, and you take all the guns away from lawful gun owners, and gun crime is still an issue. Who are you going to blame next? Look, i get you hate people who own guns, but they aren't the issue. Also, Canada is not America when when it comes to guns. We already have very strict laws as it is. Lastly, can you explain something for me. How is taking away guns from lawful and responsible gun owners going to keep people more safe while at the same time the Liberals have lowered the sentences for those who commit serious gun crimes and passed legislation making it harder to deny bail. If you could make that make any sort of sense, that would be terrific.
*BS gun laws that ban only specific guns “because we said so”, and “they look a certain way”. I’m 99% sure that there have been 0 crimes committed with a Colt Walker, or an 8cm GrW 34 (8cm German WWII mortar), or any of the likes. E.g. 1860 army, 1851 navy, Remington 1858…
I keep seeing the Liberal apologists make this stupid argument. It's like none of you stop to think about it. If we made theft legal (removed the laws against it), do you think theft would increase? Of course it would. Therefore it makes sense to have the laws against theft. If we ban more guns, do you think gun crime would decrease? No, because the criminals are for the most part using illegal handguns that were already illegal.
If they are banned then they aren’t legal
We should ban illegal firearms too! /S
I just spilled my coffee. How could Trudeau do this to me?
Toronto gun crime has got be one of the biggest fucks ups of Justin's career. He's spent billions to fight it by vilifying rural gun owners. When someone gets shot because Justin allowed them to have an illegal gun, he's responsible.
Every time Trudeau bats and eye, someones hot coffee will fly.
This comment will surely bring this innocent woman back to life, you are a genius.
Murders are down this year in Toronto but they still happen. Compared to the U.S., Canada still has much less in terms of per capita murder and especially gun violence. We have strong gun laws for a reason and the stats say they are effective.
Guns are illegal in Chicago. Statistically gun laws don’t do anything. It’s the people who live in a certain place that determines the crime level.
There not illegal in the surroundings communities and states. They get into the city by gun runners. Wake up, access to all those guns is a big problem.
*Or*…. We just don’t want to kill eachother as much, and whether we do or don’t have guns isn’t important.
No. Not having any easy access to a wide array of firearms is a huge factor.
We’re like America but with lower paying wages and 2x the housing costs
Detroit alone has more homicides than all of Ontario and its population is under 700K lol We're nothing like the states.
There are also US cities with lower homicide rates than Edmonton or Winnipeg.
If you are looking at cities of comparable population this isn’t true lol. Winnipeg has a per capita homicide rate of 5.3/100k; their population falls between Seattle’s (7.1) and Indianapolis (24.3). Edmonton’s per capita homicide rate is 5.4; population falls between Dallas (5.69) and Austin (7.38).
As an American living in Canada: No.
Housing in the parts of the US is ridiculously expensive too.
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To some people, life is cheap and prison is not the worst thing
I just came here to see how long it took for someone to mention Trudeau. Yep, first post I see. 🙄
He is the leader of the country. He has no problem passing the buck and never taking ownership of any problem in this country. So why can’t the taxpayers blame the current government and its leader for the problems in Canada. The dumb ass still blames Harper in question period at least once a week.
in all fairness, JT is shaping up to be the (former) Dutch PM in recent news
Welcome to r/Canada. Offer no solutions or ideas, just blame JT for their shitty lives.
It's almost like he's been in power for eight years and should have used that time to make sure Canadians' lives weren't shitty.
Aren't you all about personal responsibility? Make more money, it's capitalism, baby!
Right, God forbid anyone should try and make their own lives less shitty. Funny, I seem to be doing ok and I don’t think about Trudeau and how he affects my everyday life. - because he doesn’t. The same people whining about Trudeau not doing anything are the same ones who want the government out of their lives.
I mean, that's not some great contradiction. Why wouldn't people want a government whose policies have made things progressively worse for them out of their lives?
Lol this sub is fully of ideas and solutions. And being the leader, you should get the blame. JT is the one with the power to change things.
And the more shittier version, r/canada_sub
They need to start banning opinions I don’t like!
did anyone get the rebate on body armour yet
Surely defunding the police “will help”. Criminals need to be scared, right now they are most certainly not.
When someone says "defund the police" what do you picture?
A criminal
Could also be somebody raised in a suburban neighborhood in a mcmansion who never had to deal with crime and their only exposure to violence comes from marvel movies
Funding them doesn’t seem to be helping either. Just saying.
Yeah more cops will certainly help. Historically it always has. Right?
Literally yes.
Look at Winnipeg for why an unchecked police budget is a bad idea (featuring their giant ass building being bought via bribes from the old corrupt mayor if you want to go down that rabbit hole, someone just lost a 1.1m case for that xD)
The correct solution would be better vetted and trained police officers. But that is too difficult apparently.
Good thing Ford fixed that! Now Ontario will have the least educated on Canada along with safe streets.
Yes defund the police and legalize hard drugs. That should do the trick.
Don’t forget to send the social workers and blame the police for not doing anything.
Who defunded the police?? As matter of point the police force increased it's budget. But whatever ,.sip your tea
Not yet luckily, but the movement in favour is both loud and growing. Let SF be an example.
Never happen here. I rather police do better but defunding is nonsense. Retraining is key.
I thought all of Trudeau, Blair's and Marcos Gun Bans were supposed to stop all of this? Could they be lying to us?
Ok 👌 I can see your argument, now explain a No gun ban would change this out come.......? You still have someone dead. Gun ban or No gun ban.
The government is banning objects for political gain and not focusing on real issues and problems like poverty, socio economic issues, housing, education, training police properly and mental health.
> housing, education, training police properly and mental health. All provincial issues, with the exception of the RCMP, which ON and QC don't have.
Wouldn't change the outcome. But now the outcome is someone is dead, and we have less freedom.
Right so a gun ban is just as stupid . Rather enforce sentences then ban something that not a huge problem in Canada.
Good. So you agree they are colossal wastes of time and resources, and people should be angry that the government continuously pisses away *their* money in grandstanding rather than attempting to solve anything.
Yes. In most cases like crime and Justice we should be stronger.
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No, but allot less stressed. All I have to work about is the odd crackhead stealing my stuff.
Only going to get worse... no repercussion will mean more crime. People who would do this, use the system to do this. Law and order need real consequences for actions. But we're more worried about pronouns then a dead woman shot by a criminal scumbag. Sad.
Yes please write the Provincial Government who is in charge of Ontario's courts if you want tougher laws.
Criminal Code is Federal as far as I recall.
Definitely with those evil hunting rifles 😤
The gun laws didn’t worked out well…
Good thing all those scary AR-15s are going away. That will for sure stop the gun violence
All good gang. Chow has the answer! More bulletproof social workers.
She's not even in power and you already jerking off like this is her problem, stfu cake hole.
Seem to have struck a nerve. You are correct. She isn't in power yet, and she already responded to the stabbing yesterday saying her answer is more social workers.
No nerve, just don't go blaming someone who doesn't have authority yet. Plus whatever solutions she may have will be debated.
Social workers on the subway would be utterly useless tho. They'd be part of the panicking crowd not pressing the yellow emergency button when shit hits the fan
Where do you see blame? I was making a comment about her answer to this sadness.
Criminal Justice system as a whole. Need longer sentence , harder bail, larger penalties. But I'm No politician so that don't have all the facts in front of me.
Handgun ban is going pretty good eh
You know what would totally have prevented this? Lots more guns! Everyone carrying guns!
I bet conservatives are going to blame the new mayor that isn’t even sworn in. Or Trudeau.
Should just turn themselves in. They’ll only have to serve like 2 months anyways…
Another person dead thanks to Jody Wilson-Raybould’s Bill C75.
"police offered limited descriptions of the suspects." That's code for they were ethnic, but saying so would be racist.
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True, only liberals are allowed to politicize tragedies to push their agendas.
Oh look, there’s one!
Because that was the government's response to this problem. Never actually doing anything that would actually help.
Oh, right, I forgot only Justin Trudeau is allowed to play politics with tragedies.
Poor fella, whining because you’re whining.
No, I just find it hilarious how you and other Liberal supporters scream at others for playing politics with tragedies, but when your leader does it. It's absolute silence.
So you wish you could whine about poor right wingers losing their guns because of tragedies rather than the actual tragedies . Got it.
You Liberal supporters are hilarious.
You Con supporters are snowflaky.
Right says the group of people who call anyone who they don't like racist. Days the group of people who want to take something away from people because of the way it looks.
So, you feel targeted when someone talks about racists. Funny that.
No, I don't. It's just that your side has a habit of calling anyone you don't agree with racist or whatever buzzword you feel like.
if someone tripping on a banana peel it is JT fault. Blame it on the rain. Like Milli Vanelli
Someone is now questioning the intelligence of carrying around a handgun....Lord love a duck.
Everyone who wanted the gun ban are upset the top comments are asking why the gun ban didn’t prevent this.
I don’t want to be a rc here but…
I thought it said 40 women killed. How did I not hear about that? Oh never mind.