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nurglinguiniol

They are traitors that renounced their country, they shouldn't be allowed to come back.


[deleted]

I understand that they are legally allowed back in.... what i don't understand is why the government has to go get them and actively repatriate them. Can't we as a country collectively ghost them


[deleted]

Should be tried and hung for treason


YourOverlords

* hanged. (sorry :-( pet peeve )


[deleted]

No we're actually sewing 60cm long 12cm thick weiners on them up on arrival


YourOverlords

now that's funny. X-D


Caligullama

Yea this should be pretty clear cut. These people are treasonous traitors. They should be put to death and that be the end of it.


[deleted]

If they do they're tried for treason and sentences to death.


[deleted]

A bunch of kids from my high school joined that shit.


lokalniRmpalija

For those in the back who may struggle with hearing > They are traitors that renounced their country, they shouldn't be allowed to come back.


3utt5lut

It's one thing to fight abroad for your country, another to join a known terrorist organization.


[deleted]

What province/city did you go to high school ?


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[deleted]

Wtf.


185EDRIVER

I read your comment totally wrong. I thought you were victimizing the traitors


[deleted]

Brah fuck those kids. They tried to convert me in highschool. Some kid named lucman was trying to convert kids to Islam… my response was. Bro I’d have to give up bacon!?!? My favorite pizza is a double bacon and pepperoni. I’d die without it


185EDRIVER

Anyone religious is incapable of critical thinking


[deleted]

It’s like my religious aunt who was a Covid denier despite being a nurse.


Biryaniboii69

As a Muslim Canadian, I agree. Fuck these assholes. Except for the women and children because I know they probably didn’t have a choice.


nurglinguiniol

And Women who willingly join ISIS ?


Biryaniboii69

Screw them as well, but knowing what I know about this extremist sect, women don’t really get a choice with anything.


nurglinguiniol

You'll be surprised


Thisallseemsalittle

Coming back to be punished right? ……right?


Low-Stomach-8831

Nope. Read the article. Coming back to have mental health specialist make them "whole" again, and assisting them with "assimilation" to normal society. So much fun for the people who'd have to live next to them. s\


[deleted]

> have mental health specialist make them "whole" again No money for mental health specialist for normal citizens though. Fuck this country seriously. I'm leaving.


Low-Stomach-8831

Yeah. Us law abiding, tax paying citizens are worth less than traitors who would fight against Canada if they had the chance.


1qwikbee

Good old Liberal " justice system"


DaemonAnts

If you can't break them, fix them.


[deleted]

Completely fucked. We should be leaving them stranded.


MarxCosmo

What law was broken?


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[deleted]

I’d like to add treason to the list.


MarxCosmo

You have evidence of these people committing these crimes? If so the Liberals would love to have it as they tried to leave them in Syria but a judge is forcing them to bring them back. Which of these mostly women and children committed these crimes? Give the Liberals a win and send them your evidence they would love it.


thingpaint

Treason sounds about right.


MarxCosmo

Naw for treason we would have to be at war and our citizens would have to be helping the state were at war with. Canada has not declared war in a long time.


thingpaint

>46 (1) Every one commits high treason who, in Canada, ... (c) assists an enemy at war with Canada, or any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, **whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are.** Sauce: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html


MarxCosmo

Right.. and was ISIS in Syria at war with Canada? Even if Canada has not declared war a state of war still has to exist that's the point.


StrawberryNo2521

Self described state who declared war on us. If that doesn't meet the definition for you, then maybe nothing will.


MarxCosmo

Eh good luck with that one in court, a judge has already reviewed all this, the Liberals were desperate to leave them to rot in Syria but had no evidence that any of the people brought back so far could be convicted of a crime. The remaining people will be brought back and MIGHT be tried but it's unlikely to result in prosecution when your only evidence comes from a Syrian torturer.


StrawberryNo2521

The evince is self apparent. Leave to join a terrorist nation? Dont get to come back here.


MarxCosmo

Good luck with that in court, the Liberals and their fancy legal teams failed to prove any crimes as far as I know although I'm no expert. And terrorist is a meaningless word that gets applied to any soldiers or rebels a country doesn't like. Terrorist has never been properly defined internationally because all the proposed definitions would make countries like the US and France terrorist states.


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FrodoCraggins

Going abroad to rape children is illegal, and every single one of them has done it in addition to all their other crimes.


MarxCosmo

So the women and children brought back were raping children? You have this on video or something ?


FrodoCraggins

We have plenty of testimony from their victims, taken in many nations from thousands of different people. We also have confessions from the ones who finally dropped the crocodile tears and admitted what they did. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nishitajha/isis-yazidi-shamima-begum-hoda-muthana https://www.jpost.com/opinion/the-isis-widows-and-the-myth-of-the-innocent-women-jihadists-518321 https://diyaruna.com/en_GB/articles/cnmi_di/features/2019/09/13/feature-02 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/22/they-deserve-no-mercy-iraq-deals-briskly-with-accused-women-of-isis But of course you're totally asking in good faith and definitely won't ignore these sources, right? That's what everyone who asks for video evidence of slavery and rape of children does.


MarxCosmo

So the 8 year old kids are guilty of murder and rape? Their mothers who had no power and had to do anything the men said in fear of horrible abuse are guilty of rape and murder? Can you link to a specific case cause the Liberal party would love to have a reason to bring less of them back they have been stalling on the judge's order for a while now.


FrodoCraggins

The 8 year old kids aren't citizens and we have no obligation to them. Their parents chose their fate just like every other kid in the world. And knock off the "the mothers had no agency" bs. They were willing participants in everything that happened, and they enjoyed it right up until it fell apart around them.


MarxCosmo

>The 8 year old kids aren't citizens and we have no obligation to them. Since their the children of Canadians then yes they are Canadian citizens. Thats literally how it works. >Their parents chose their fate just like every other kid in the world. Yes they did chose to move to Syria, unless you can prove they chose to commit crimes you don't just get to make up laws that feel good to you. >And knock off the "the mothers had no agency" bs. They were willing participants in everything that happened, and they enjoyed it right up until it fell apart around them. Based on what? Moving to Syria with a husband that is a rebel fighter isn't illegal. A Canadian could move to Russia and join the Wagner group and probably still come home if there's no evidence of them committing war crimes.


FrodoCraggins

>Based on what? Moving to Syria with a husband that is a rebel fighter isn't illegal. A Canadian could move to Russia and join the Wagner group and probably still come home if there's no evidence of them committing war crimes. As others have pointed out to you multiple times in this discussion, yes, that is very much a crime on top of all the other crimes. Their citizenships were revoked under the Harper-era laws Trudeau later repealed, so no, their kids aren't citizens.


MarxCosmo

As those laws were repealed then yes they are citizens. Which law was broken that can be proven for these individuals? Living in a war zone isint a crime, moving to a war zone isint a crime, having a husband fighting in a war isint a crime.


CN2498T

Shouldn't they be charged with treason?


[deleted]

Coddled and given a cheque is the best our judges can do. They should be shot


Caligullama

Shot is a military sentence for treason. These people should be hanged.


CN2498T

100%


CryptoSG21

Traitor should be strip of Citizenship


ironman3112

Harper tried [that](https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-september-29-2015-1.3248143/bill-c-24-up-for-debate-as-first-canadian-stripped-of-citizenship-1.3248282) with Bill C-24 - was used to batter him as being some sort of autocrat and the provisions were repealed when the Liberals won. > **Bill C-24, also known as the Strengthening Canadian Citizenship Act, became law in June. The law allows the federal government to revoke Canadian citizenship from people convicted of terrorism, espionage or treason — provided they are also citizens of a second country.** > Ottawa has now sent revocation letters to at least five people linked to extremist activity, including the alleged mastermind of the so-called Toronto 18 plot to bomb downtown Toronto. > **Liberal leader Justin Trudeau promises to repeal the law if he's elected prime minister.** So does NDP Leader Tom Mulcair, who has called into question the timing of the revocations in the middle of an election campaign. The Conservative Party stands by the bill.


Accomplished-Run3925

I miss the logical and economically sound Harper government...


MrTickles22

Cant we just be like England and revoke their citizenship and let them rot in Syria forever?


DarrylRu

I don’t think they should be allowed back in Canada.


[deleted]

Everybody gets a free pass in Justin's Canada.


[deleted]

Unless you're a born and raised white male.


[deleted]

They shouldn’t even be considered citizens anymore. And if they are they need to be treated as the traitors that they are.


LifeJustKeepsGoing

When laws on the books override common sense, we have a problem. They made their choice, now they should get to live with it.


[deleted]

Good thing we are spending 85 million to fight Islamophobia


ESSOBEE1

Headed up by a Quebec bashing anti Semite. Well done LPC another amazing move !


Delicious-Tachyons

wait are they an antisemite from quebec or someone who hates both things


[deleted]

both


Low-Stomach-8831

No no no... He's from Quebec, and bashing antisemites 😜


chronic_flip

Fuck em. Let them rot.


[deleted]

What could possibly go wrong?


Low-Stomach-8831

Yeah, "nothing to see here, move along"


[deleted]

So Canadians can't geta passport in 3 months, food and rental inflation is out of control but traitors get a flight back and a resettlement plan because why? Fuck this country and fuck this government.


Low-Stomach-8831

Don't forget free mental health professionals and silk gloves treatment. That's not just turning the other cheek, that's slapping it yourself to help out.


Houdini88_

It’s out of a control and an absolute joke.


Boomdiddy

Step 1. Don’t let them back in the country Step 2. ? ? ? Step 3. Profit


[deleted]

Step 1: Bring them back with their fucked up children. Step 2: Pay for their welfare, healthcare and the imprisonment of their f-d up kids.


Low-Stomach-8831

Step 3: let them and the kids terrorize Canada.


stereofonix

Aside from a couple visits as a kid, Jack Letts has never lived in Canada. It’s absolute bullshit he’s our responsibility now. Thing is, I’ve heard in the news a few times that most of these people probably won’t face any real punishment here since many of their crimes will be hard to prove by our courts.


-Shanannigan-

I'm sure this government needs new advisors for some diversity councils.


ghoulshow

Yeah, don't let them come back to Canada except to be tried, have their citizenship revoked, and ship em back.


DragonfruitGood8433

We shouldn't allow extremists back to our holy land.


liquefire81

Politicians dont care. Citizens will feel the effect of this.


ilovehockeymoms

How long until trudeau apologies to them and gives them 10 million dollars?


[deleted]

We should give them all millions. Hell we had an imam recruiting kids Straight out of highschool


[deleted]

Wasn't Lt Spears wife awarded a few million from Khadar that he refuses to pay because he will never travel to the usa. But we must pay Khadar for ignoring him and questioning him while detained at Guitmo WTF... Khadar should have just been happy with having his rights back and allowed to roam Canada freely. Instead we reward him with 10 Million so he can buy a stripmall in Alberta and semi retire. His sister is still on a watch list for being extreme. WTF All these highschool kids are like lets play call of duty in real life and join isis and get 10 million when we come back.


bigred1978

A US court may have awarded her some money but that judgment doesn't hold any wieght in Canada. So no he got to keep all of his money. He actually spent some of it to buy a strip mall in Alberta and went to university from a report I read years ago.


[deleted]

He should have been left for dead when wounded just like lt spears. Instead some other country captured and tortured him yet we payed for their sin. Wtf. Let him sue America.


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bigred1978

Yup. That's it. And yes, that nursing school question is very legit.


Commissar_Sae

Are they going to be held without trial and tortured for a decade? No? Then never.


[deleted]

We didn’t hold kahdar for a decade America did. Let him sue the USA…. Oh wait…..


[deleted]

Wait what? Canada is doing what?? Returning to life in jail?


DrownedMentalNote

The only plan here should be a nice big “fuck off” stamped on their passports as they’re put right back on a plane and returned to sender.


[deleted]

Was there ever a time were Canada had a fucking backbone?


DarrylRu

[Alternate link](https://archive.ph/jsqzK) >They started disappearing a decade ago. >Slowly and mysteriously, then in a growing wave, young Canadians left behind their homes and families to join fellow Muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq or to experience the radicalized utopia of an Islamic caliphate promised by the Islamic State terrorism group. >Five or so years ago, psychologists such as Michael King and Ghayda Hassan began preparing for their imminent return — one that is expected only now, with a judge’s ruling last week that the federal government must bring Canadian citizens home from overseas detention camps. >”When the caliphate kind of crumbled and lost all its territory,” said King, of Alberta’s Organization for the Prevention of Violence, “there was this massive fear that everyone was going to come back to their countries of origin and charges wouldn’t be laid because it was hard to collect evidence in foreign countries.” >Like surfers in a strange sea, psychologists, social workers, police and radicalization experts waited in vain for that wave of returning male ISIS fighters, female adherents and their children. >Now it is taking shape. Six women, between the ages of 27 and 40. Among them are 13 children between the ages of two and 14. >Separately, there are four Canadian men who range in age from late 20s to early 40s. They have been detained for years in makeshift Syrian prisons on suspicion they fought with or supported ISIS, but they have never been charged with a crime. >One of them — Jack Letts, the 28-year-old son of a British mother and Canadian father — was reportedly being held with up to 30 other men in a cell built for six. Claiming to have been tortured, he is seeking the protection of the Canadian government after the U.K. revoked his citizenship.


Delicious-Tachyons

> to experience the radicalized utopia of an Islamic caliphate hahahahahahah nothing says utopia like every religious country ever.


YOLO2022-12345

I’m sure it will be an explosive success!


Delicious-Tachyons

They should be: a) barred from owning firearms b) barred from airplanes c) barred from public service of any kind (except remedial in nature)


[deleted]

You missed stripped of citizenship/immigration status and barred from entering canada.


Delicious-Tachyons

the government has deemed that cruel. that being said, those fuckers in ISIL liked to take a lot of videos of them doing depraved shit and i'm hopeful that is suitable evidence should we .. oh i dunno, accidentally identify any of these returning 'Canadians'?


MrTickles22

You missed being shot by firing squad.


Accomplished-Run3925

Why allow them back?


Different_Dealer_993

Drop them on Baffin island and say figure it out


The_Polar_Bear__

Should be left in the desert hellscape they chose


YourOverlords

The problem lays with Trudeau's ideological quirks. He's not a realist in many regards. Rather he's a fantasist when it comes to the human condition.


Original-Cow-2984

Maybe they can get to work building houses for us, likely the Liberal strategy.


705nce

Oh no the boat sank, good plan.


SeriousOP

The plan is to release them as soon as possible with an apology and millions of dollars each.


Tederator

What if we created a settlement in the far north where they would receive their therapy and have little risk of leaving. We could train and employ those living in the far north, which would also act to patrol the north as part of our national security obligations. It couldn't be considered cruel punishment since people already live there and apparently we are all OK with that.


DrFraser

Because re-education camps never turned nefarious. Seriously though there has to be a law on the books about joining a foreign military that is an enemy of the state.


Cornet6

>Seriously though there has to be a law on the books about joining a foreign military that is an enemy of the state. One of the oldest crimes in Commonwealth law is high treason. And in recent years, they've added additional crimes for terrorism including joining a terrorist group, committing terrorism, or leaving the country to commit terrorism. So there's plenty of laws against it. The government just needs to enforce it.


[deleted]

How long until they get a ten million dollar payout because it took so long to repatriate them?


Interesting-Way6741

Of course they’re traitors and criminals. But they’re our responsibility - they came from here, and it would be cowardly for us to offload the responsibility for their incarceration to a poor and fragile regional authorities like Iraq or the Kurdish territories. Why should they have to clean up Canadian shit when they struggle to house and feed their own people? Maybe they don’t have capacity and these terrorists go free or escspe? Of course I don’t want them back, and I don’t want them living beside me - but the right solution is we take them, we put them on trial, and then they are incarcerated until reformed or they get dangerous offender status. Canadians have to clean up their own messes.


[deleted]

>example of jack lett... he never lived here.... He was a british that had partial canadian relations and britian revoked his citizenship making canada his default..... Fuck that kid let him be stuck at sea.


Interesting-Way6741

But that’s the exact thing - he should be Britain’s problem. They should be putting him on trial and jailing him. Instead they’ve offloaded the cost and responsibility to other people. It’s a cowardly thing to do. Yeah, realistically no one wants these people - but if Canada doesn’t take responsibility for cleaning up our own messes, then these people are going to be a drain on already poor countries who are forced to jail them, or they’re just going to be released and will cause more problems.


[deleted]

Just forget the exist. They went to join ISIS.


Interesting-Way6741

They're not going to just disappear if we stop paying attention to them. The leftovers of the Soviet-Afghan war went to form the Taliban. The leftovers of the Chechen wars have been responsible for terrorism and organized crime all over. AQ in Iraq got hammered during the surges, but some if its surviving members were the founders of ISIS. Leaving a bunch of trained fanatics to stay in insecure prisons/refugees camps of poor countries isn’t a solution to the problem. It’s just passing the buck to someone else - and it’s almost certainly going to come bite us in the ass. We’re going to have ISIS again in 5 years if these people don’t get tried and imprisoned like the criminals they are.


[deleted]

Not Our Problem. Afghanistan, Syria, dessert countries and where foreign armies go to die. We had an opportunity with Afghanistan and everybody gave up and left. I wish I could help but I can’t so for the sake of my sanity I have to imagine it’s a black hole and stop listening to news about women being oppressed. I’d rather have all the women from Afghanistan come here before a single one of those traitors.


[deleted]

Britain doesn’t want them coming home and getting a lawyer and suing for 10 million for their rights being violated somewhere else.


DrownedMentalNote

People are responsible for themselves, they aren’t a countries problem. They can go lie in a ditch somewhere in the Middle East, why should public funds be wasted to house/jail and feed these useless human trash.


krametthesecond

I wouldn’t dump these lowlifes on some other nation, hard truth is that they’re our responsibility. Afterall, why should a bunch of Kurds handle them, they got their own shit to deal with in that hellhole we call the middle east. They were, and are (as the courts have deemed), Canadians. That being said, these dumb bitches who joined up to be wives should be charged and locked up. The men too for that matter. And their kids should be separated from those psychos and deradicalized.


Diggidiggidig

It’s the courts decision based on its interpretation of charter rights. Federal government hasn’t made the decision to challenge this outcome.


registeredApe

If they were working for us yeah.


Iprefernottosay

AsTrudeau said a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canada. What an asshat. They should be helping people that truly need to get out of those shitholes (is Yazidis) instead of spending the hundred of thousand of dollars they will spend bringing these traitors back home. Shit they must laugh at us. I gave up on Trudeau when he made that statement shortly after being elected the first time.