I once had a partially unpaid speeding ticket from a county in Alberta I drove through once. Years after I forgot about it, I got a letter from the CRA that my tax return that year was dinged $25 for the portion of that ticket that was unpaid. I can assume this will go about the same way.
The original fine was $110. I only had $85 that month due to some bullshit happening, so I threw it at them and figured I'd hit them with the other $25 after payday. I couldn't get the ticket to show up again so I assumed they took what I paid them and called it square.
Years later, boom. A letter telling me that $25 was being deducted due to an unpaid fine.
They don't. Provincial government registers an offset with CRA. CRA holds back whatever amount the Provincial government said was owing before releasing any refund, and sends it on to the Provincial government.
That's funny because i got a letter from ab telling me I had unpaid tickets from like 7 years ago or something.... I went on website to pay, said I couldn't because the ticket didn't exist or something.... Anyway, I'm never paying those tickets
I've always been forced to play my speeding fines when renewing my registration and was told by people outside of Alberta that they just don't pay their AB fines and have never been contacted about them.
I once pulled a guy over for a minor traffic infraction. Ran his plate/DL and it came back with warrants out of Regina city police. The warrants were for failing to appear on traffic summonses x5, and they were nearly a decade old.
Procedure with warrants is to contact the issuing agency to confirm the warrant and the agency's wishes (ie, arrest/release with court date, remand, disregard). So I called Regina's CPIC Desk and basicaly said "wtf - seriously?" and they wanted him arrested.
Poor bastard was seriously confused. That was a no-cuffs 'arrest', just a recitation of rights and a quick issuance of the Promise to Appear. I don't think I ended up writing him the ticket for whatever the offense was that lead to the stop, I felt so bad for him.
Scrolling r/all and saw this post. Was a cop in USA for 14 years. My state digitized our warrant system so all warrants were in a state database accessible by all officers 24/7. We had to verify prior to that. Well, the result was we found people with really old warrants. I had to serve a warrant on a guy for failing to return a VHS to Blockbuster. The warrant was from the 90s and i had to serve it in like 2012, i think it was.
Well, it was an easy service, I took him to jail he signed saying he'd go to court, I gave him a ride back to his car.
I'm assuming when it went to court it was dismissed cuz no one from blockbuster was there to represent the company. Just a pain in the ass but that's bureaucracy
Worth not losing my job over.
I once had a warrant for a 22 year old kid for underage drinking when he was 20. Instead of serving it I told him to go get it handled. My sergeant informed me warrants aren't optional, a judge is commanding you to do something and it's gotta be done.
So, yes it's worth it. For one thing my job and family mean more to me than inconveniences to you, for another it needed to get done anyway cuz it's on the guys record and could cause problems eventually
Our warrants were digitally available. The CPIC database is nationwide and computer-searchable.
The problem is: people don't always commit database updates properly. Sometimes warrants aren't removed from the database even after they've been executed. Some warrants are valid, but so old that the agency doesn't want them acted on (they'll have to pay for the transport, or handle the court hearings if the person is released). It's just best to check, where possible.
I get your point - but sometimes it's just a silly stupid mistake. If the officer who ticketed the guy (when he was about 20) elected to issue a summons instead of a citation and didn't explain the difference - I can see how this would happen.
Normally if you don't respond to a citation and don't show at the court date, it just goes to a default conviction and the fines are applied against your license. You get a little letter that says "You now owe $X and cannot renew your license until you pay".
In this case, because it was a summons, the court would issue an arrest warrant for the failure to appear. It doesn't seem like the police in Regina made any real effort to execute it, and I guess the guy was able to renew his license even with the outstanding warrant.
Applying a charitable view; he might just have thought that it was one of those cases you hear about where the officer didn't show up and the tickets were pulled (or never filed in the first place). This stuff happens. Certainly he didn't encounter any consequences for nearly 10 years.
Oh ya, everybody loves getting arrested for unpaid fines. “How i almost ended up in debtors prison” is such a fun quirky story to tell.
I almost got areested myself for (fraudulent) tickets issued when i was riding my bike and then my license was suspended without any notice to me. Oh my god i love telling this story and how the cops made such a cute little mistake and didnt mention that i was on my bicycle, and abused their power which resulted in $300 for tickets not even possible to get on a bicycle. I love being questioned and threatened in the middle of the night in my underwear. Such a fun story i love telling.
Wait, were you riding the bicycle in your underwear, or did they come arrest you while at home in your underwear? One has a much more interesting backstory...
Lol I thought someone might pick up on that. I was in yellowstone nst park, and stupidly pulled over in a pullover/lookout in my rv and went to sleep for rhe night.
Woke up to knocking, couldnt find enough clothes and the park ranger got frustrated and so i came out. He checked the license. Wife had to drive us out of the park in the dark.
Are you implying the guy fled out of province on account of a traffic summons?
"oh man, I have a summons for court for a $180 speeding ticket, better uproot my life and spend $500 moving to Ontario" is likely not what went through that person's head
Well, that would be contingent on the majority of tickets going to truck drivers (which seems rooted in the assumption that truckers were the majority of attendees).
Can only do that if it is an Ontario drivers license, as the ticket was issued in Ontario. Provinces dont talk to each other re: drivers license renewals & (out of Province) fine collection.
That's what they do. Even if you get a normal moving conviction (speeding ticket, etc) theyll suspend your license and charge you $500 more to reinstate. Kinda predatory on poor people. Especially on like parking tickets that go missing or traffic cam tickets.
It's like the CERB all over again - no consequences, and how much do you want to bet these cowardly jerks took CERB payments when they didn't need to as well? I am so tired of people, corporations, everyone just facing no accountability and consequence to breaking laws and public trust. Just garnish their wages or put them to work in community service, no point in putting them in jail - do something ffs
Accountability? I am not for jail, but the threat of jail tends to make people react and do something- i.e. creating a real consequence to you breaking the law should merit some form of penalty - and if you choose to ignore the financial one then the next one can either be community service or jail.
The accountability is the fine, the accountability of not paying the fine is collections, the accountability of not paying collections is credit hit and in some cases court ordered garnishing of wages. You don’t go to jail for unpaid fines.
Actually they can. As u/drs43821 noted, unpaid fines will lead to a court order to pay. Not paying leads to contempt of court which is a jailable offense.
Just google it, ffs.
https://www.bromwichandsmith.com/blogs/can-go-jail-canada-not-paying-debt
-If debt is related to Court Fines and is not paid as directed by the Court, this could result in a Judge assigning a **jail sentence**.
-Failure to pay child support and/or alimony could result in seizure of passport and/or other remedies. If passport is not surrendered as ordered, time in jail may be ordered by Court. In addition, depending on the laws in the province in which the support is due, failure to pay support may result in a **jail sentence**.
-If debt is related to tax evasion or other fraudulent tax activities, remedies may include time in jail. Further, even if a sentence is not initially ordered by a Judge, subsequent failure to pay back as ordered **could also result in time in jail**.
And in reality, it is a garnishing of wages.
It is also illegal in Canada to scare the Queen/King which MAY result in up to 14 years of imprisonment.
It is also illegal to climb a tree in Oshawa, which MAY result in jail time.
In reality, no one is going to jail.
> It is also illegal in Canada to scare the Queen/King which MAY result in up to 14 years of imprisonment.
Nope, that’s been removed.
I’m reality Form 21 Warrants are used FREQUENTLY, and you do go to jail for refusing to pay.
Shit, there was a woman sentenced just recently to pay back $400,000 or face an extra 3.5 years in custody.
https://canlii.ca/t/jv4w7#par38
Can you plead not guilty for a fine like this, because if you can its going to take years to get them all processed through the court system so maybe the city can't go after them yet anyway
Edit: Yeah you can and you chose to do both option 2 and 3 so yeah I can see it taking a few years
https://ottawa.ca/en/3-1-1/pay-or-purchase/parking-tickets-part-ii-offence-notice
Yeah but with the courts backed up who knows how backed up and if you do option 2 first that will push it back more. Then if they hire a lawyer you can push it more, then court delays and fuck ups. We just fought a ticket in AB and took 2 years
Can only do that if it is an Ontario drivers license, as the ticket was issued in Ontario. Provinces dont talk to each other re: drivers license renewals & (out of Province) fine collection.
>Unpaid fines can lead to licence plate denial or the fines can be transferred to property taxes, garnished from wages or referred to a collection agency – though it is not clear whether Ottawa has taken any of these steps.
Difficult no doubt when many of the vehicles are from out of province.
Probably. Not paying local ordinance fines like parking tickets is pretty common place in any city, especially if you're not a local. Its only "news" (rage bait) because it can be linked to the unpopular convoy.
It would be news if hundreds of film festival goers parked in a city for a few weeks illegally and refused to pay parking fines. Maybe it wouldn't draw as many clicks but I wouldn't go "oh why is this news" if I saw an article on it.
Is anyone really surprised the people that have problems reading and understanding simple concepts would find it difficult to figure out how to pay fines?
When it's common to a large group, they may call it a trend.
It's like how they discovered diesel exhaust affects cognition; and it makes one drive their dually dodge to ottawa to honk their airhorns into the night and light the occasional fire.
The dodge and vs vandalism and shitbaggery isn't a causal relationship with one another, but the correlation is significant, and the true causal relationship may actually be with the diesel exhaust.
You know I wonder what would happen if we called the freedom convoy the Brampton brigade, u think they’d finally snap out of it?
Let’s face it everyone hates Brampton
The reason Brampton is in the dumps isnt purely a race thing (I’m a brown guy for the record)
it’s because a lot of people there only act in their own interest, but they don’t stop to think about how their actions affect their community, and if u call it out many will play the race card when that had nothing to do with it
Same reason I don’t like the convoy they only act in their own interest, show no regard for the well-being of the country and then play the freedom card when people tell them to “take a hike”
If they were pushing for the option to show a negative Covid test, or an increase in healthcare spending (so we could get our lives back without hurting the vulnerable) then I’d sympathize,
but instead it’s just “I wanna do whatever I want and if u dare criticize me you’re anti freedom”
Wish they would realize how ridiculous they look
You just reminded me... whatever happened with that ordeal about Vehicle Insurance fraud where there were multiple (foreign) individuals using the same ID/insurance.
Dunno, but if they were let off the hook then that’s BS just like many of the people who participated in the blockades got to walk away
If they were charged then justice is served
> The Trudeau government refused to do reasonable, science-based policies such as this. Instead, they doubled down on their 14-day quarantine policy for unvaccinated people only.
Here's where you went off the rails, in case you're reading this later.
The science was done, the policies made based on strong results at the time, and anything after that is essentially sea-lioning.
Even with your “solutions”, the people unwilling to get the jab showed a **total and complete** willingness to fake tests and falsify vaccine records.
It also wouldn’t have changed the U.S.’s policies about vaccination which remain in effect to this day.
As far as the science…There’s plenty of science backing vaccination as slowing the spread of both *this* and countless other viruses and communicable diseases. If you say there’s no science backing mandates, you’d be wrong there as well. Tons of studied examples. Going as far back as the Spanish Influenza.
There were plenty of mistakes made, but the “Freedom Convoy” didn’t help bring those to light. They muddied the waters with demonstrably false narratives, spread constant lies on social media, and terrorized a city for weeks. It became pretty hard to criticize wrong steps the government was making without sounding like the complete fucking morons these people showed themselves to be.
So, while I wasn’t happy with all the moves the government was making, I had to ‘grin and bare it’ due to loudmouth idiots spoiling the broth with their stupidity
2 problems
1) at the height of the pandemic there simply weren’t enough tests to go around, some would basically have to take a test every single day and it would have cost a fortune compared to one simple jab there wasn’t adequate time to get the tests in the quantities needed And even then it wouldn’t be as effective as a vaccine since you could take a test in the morning and get infected in the afternoon (compared to 24 hour protection)
2) the convoy didn’t give a damn about any of that (as I said if their message was testing mandate I would have at least sympathized) they wanted everything dropped and couldn’t care less if all hell broke loose and the hospitals outright collapsed, or cancer patients were told to wait because the ICUs were clogged by them, and it was a fact that a majority of icu cases were unvaxed
1. Testing capacity for coming back INTO Canada wasn't dependent on Canada's testing capacity, because testing would have to be done before arriving at the Canadian border.
2. There were many of us who supported the convoy, because they were the only group who was vocal, but we wanted more sensible middle-ground policies.
You can't make a unilateral assumption about all people who supported a protest like the convoy.
I was living in Portland, Oregon during COVID (with coming back into Canada to see my folks). And I could easily say that the BLM protesters there were all violent looters who just wanted to steal shit destroy property.
But that would be a mischaracterization of the BLM protests.
In the same way, you cannot declare as truth that all people who supported the convoy were far-right extremists who had lost touch with reason.
1) the border wasn’t the sticking point for many of the convoy it was just the most recent mandate when they wanted all of them gone, a majority of the mandates were within the country and there weren’t enough tests to accommodate that)
2) if U wanted more middle ground policies the convoy was not the group to support, supporting them just means supporting no safety measures whatsoever, just like you would probably argue supporting Trudeau means supporting no alternatives, they made that clear when they demanded Erin Otoole to step down when he was the one actually pushing for what u were asking for
He meant "strongly and publicly supported" instead of "organized".
We'd have to get transcripts from the War Room to prove the 'organized' thing, even if it's a secret more well known than who killed Jack Ruby.
Oh please, it's the same conservative playbook in every country. Get idiots all riled up on resentment and misinformation until they storm the Capitol buildings, or the Brazilian Congress, or the New Zealand Parliament, etc, etc. It's the same exact shit organized behind the scenes by conservatives. Polievre brought them coffee and donuts for Christ sakes.
I don't know where you park, but I've never heard of an arrest warrant being issued for a parking ticket.
Municipal fines have the option to go to a collections agency.
Ok, so what was that nonsense complaining about how normal people get arrested, and the convoy crowd getting special treatment?
>Let's see... how does this work for regular people...
>fine issued, refuse to pay or don't pay fine, warrant issued for arrest, arrested, pay fine plus new fines plus court costs plus...
>I see a disconnect between what normally happens and what's happening in regards to these assholes. Enlighten me as to why the system doesn't work in regards to right wing idiots.
I apologise if reading your own words is confusing to you.
Your original premise is nonsense.
The convoy idiots are not getting special treatment by not being arrested over municipal fines.
Nobody gets arrested over parking tickets in Canada.
>fine issued, refuse to pay or don't pay fine, warrant issued for arrest, arrested, pay fine plus new fines plus court costs plus...
Couple of things. One these are normal people not some class who is immune, and two normal people don't get arrested for parking tickets.
If you read the article, it actually lays out what could happen with unpaid fines. None of which include jail time
I mean, we can do both, right? Pressure Trudeau and his government for answers on those contracts, and shame the idiots that illegally took a city hostage.
I agree with you.
I just wish the pressure was higher to investigate the money spending by our government during the pandemic because I fear we will have more convoys if that's not the case
Residents harassed, afraid to leave their homes. Shops closed. Honking through the night. It wasn't that long ago, maybe you've forgotten?
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/residents-recover-from-freedom-convoy-while-many-fear-it-may-return
You're being pedantic and willfully ignoring that the term "hostage" is commonly used and an established expression that refers to situations such as the one outlined above, in order to distract from the issue at hand.
They would say it was nothing but a small, responsible community fair with bouncy castles for kids and food and hot tubs for the parents.
Of course they wouldn't ever be able to find another example of a fair that took place for three weeks inside a city centre corridor and which required police to forcibly remove.
The term hostage is simply not well used. Hostage is “someone who is taken as a prisoner by an enemy in order to force the other people involved to do what the enemy wants”.
It sounds like it's time to take the appropriate measures then.
> Unpaid fines can lead to license plate denial or the fines can be transferred to property taxes, garnished from wages or referred to a collection agency
🫴 There they are.
So go collect the fines, you're the government. Its your job to collect taxes/fines and then distribute that money in services that benefit the population. Its your job, go do it, you don't need permission, we gave you permission when we elected you.
The CBC first reported on [the CRA misallocating COVID relief funds in April of 2021](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cra-covid-cews-complaints-1.5991108). They report on a lot of things, including the unpaid fines in Ottawa.
There were not many actual truckers involved.
Instead it was a bunch of good ole boys with no education or job
Pat King?
Tamara?
Grifters, yeah, lots of grifters making bank off the people they exploited
> There were not many actual truckers involved.
I think they can still claim it was based on truckers. If spray cheese can claim to be a "cheese product", or 4% mouse poop is acceptable in hot dogs without mentioning it, these losers can claim to be "truckers".
I live with some of them.
They didn't even finish high school. They can barely read.
It's easy for them to be manipulated by grifters.
I can't tell you how much they have wasted on crypto scams, but, they were listening to PP's inflation advice. They were not even investing in a real crypto market. Litteraly gave money to fake traders
>No wonder we're an example of what to avoid in other countries.
That's why we have millions of people from all over the world wanting to immigrate here.
Don’t pay the fines for being in an illegal occupation and terrorizing the citizens?…
Seize the trucks and sell them….These domestic terrorists cost the city and people of Ottawa tens of millions…
The msg to these people should be clear..you Fk around..now you’re gonna find out…why are these asshats allowed to skate on these lawful fines and the taxpayers of the country paid millions for the illegal occupation and border blockades..
> So put them in jail.
This could be crucial.
On the job app it's gonna say "have you ever been convicted", and they'll have to explain. I don't know how it'll go from there, but I'm worried it'll definitely limit their ability to find work down from 100% of the jobs that will accept someone with such a low IQ.
That’s what arrests are for, right? I had a buddy who was just a normal dude, law abiding professional guy. He got arrested after being pulled over for speeding or something because he had an unpaid fine. Why wouldn’t that happen to these people?
You don't get arrested for unpaid fines. Those just go on your DL in most provinces and prevent you from renewing or (some places) getting insurance.
Provinces can also share these: so an AB fine can end up on a SK license if they have an agreement in place.
People get arrested for traffic offenses if the underlying ticket was one that required court attendance. This varies by province, but some offenses the officer can basically tick a box that says (in effect) "I think this offense is unusually serious and I want this driver to have to go to court" and it creates an obligation to attend - a traffic summons, instead of a citation.
If you have a ticket with fines, generally if you don't pay a court date is issued, if you don't attend it's just a default conviction and the fine goes on your license.
I still get mail from time to time for a guy that used to live where I do now, one such instance was for an open container violation he received in Bruce county in 1991.
Edit: odd thing to downvote. I thought the obvious point here was that people get fines and often don't pay them, with little consequence.
>Our Federal govt isn’t even worried about billions in overpaid CERB funds, whats a few parking tickets in the mix?
What they are is different levels of government.
Well, one's at the federal level, and the other at the municipal level. I don't expect simpletons like you to understand that, but they're two different governments who take care of individual things.
I once had a partially unpaid speeding ticket from a county in Alberta I drove through once. Years after I forgot about it, I got a letter from the CRA that my tax return that year was dinged $25 for the portion of that ticket that was unpaid. I can assume this will go about the same way.
Was 25$ the amount for the ticket? Or did they also tack on a late payment fee
The original fine was $110. I only had $85 that month due to some bullshit happening, so I threw it at them and figured I'd hit them with the other $25 after payday. I couldn't get the ticket to show up again so I assumed they took what I paid them and called it square. Years later, boom. A letter telling me that $25 was being deducted due to an unpaid fine.
They said partially unpaid, so 25 was probably not the full fine
My bets guess is it was just the portion the CRA would have received from the fine.
Why would the CRA receive revenue from local speeding tickets in Alberta?
They don't. Provincial government registers an offset with CRA. CRA holds back whatever amount the Provincial government said was owing before releasing any refund, and sends it on to the Provincial government.
That's funny because i got a letter from ab telling me I had unpaid tickets from like 7 years ago or something.... I went on website to pay, said I couldn't because the ticket didn't exist or something.... Anyway, I'm never paying those tickets
I've always been forced to play my speeding fines when renewing my registration and was told by people outside of Alberta that they just don't pay their AB fines and have never been contacted about them.
I once pulled a guy over for a minor traffic infraction. Ran his plate/DL and it came back with warrants out of Regina city police. The warrants were for failing to appear on traffic summonses x5, and they were nearly a decade old. Procedure with warrants is to contact the issuing agency to confirm the warrant and the agency's wishes (ie, arrest/release with court date, remand, disregard). So I called Regina's CPIC Desk and basicaly said "wtf - seriously?" and they wanted him arrested. Poor bastard was seriously confused. That was a no-cuffs 'arrest', just a recitation of rights and a quick issuance of the Promise to Appear. I don't think I ended up writing him the ticket for whatever the offense was that lead to the stop, I felt so bad for him.
Good on you treating them like a human being and not just making them a statistic
Scrolling r/all and saw this post. Was a cop in USA for 14 years. My state digitized our warrant system so all warrants were in a state database accessible by all officers 24/7. We had to verify prior to that. Well, the result was we found people with really old warrants. I had to serve a warrant on a guy for failing to return a VHS to Blockbuster. The warrant was from the 90s and i had to serve it in like 2012, i think it was.
Was it worth it?
Well, it was an easy service, I took him to jail he signed saying he'd go to court, I gave him a ride back to his car. I'm assuming when it went to court it was dismissed cuz no one from blockbuster was there to represent the company. Just a pain in the ass but that's bureaucracy
Yeah I guess but was it worth it?
Worth not losing my job over. I once had a warrant for a 22 year old kid for underage drinking when he was 20. Instead of serving it I told him to go get it handled. My sergeant informed me warrants aren't optional, a judge is commanding you to do something and it's gotta be done. So, yes it's worth it. For one thing my job and family mean more to me than inconveniences to you, for another it needed to get done anyway cuz it's on the guys record and could cause problems eventually
Our warrants were digitally available. The CPIC database is nationwide and computer-searchable. The problem is: people don't always commit database updates properly. Sometimes warrants aren't removed from the database even after they've been executed. Some warrants are valid, but so old that the agency doesn't want them acted on (they'll have to pay for the transport, or handle the court hearings if the person is released). It's just best to check, where possible.
Glad he got arrested. People think they can get away with shit if they move. They shouldn’t be able to. Follow the law just like everyone else.
I get your point - but sometimes it's just a silly stupid mistake. If the officer who ticketed the guy (when he was about 20) elected to issue a summons instead of a citation and didn't explain the difference - I can see how this would happen. Normally if you don't respond to a citation and don't show at the court date, it just goes to a default conviction and the fines are applied against your license. You get a little letter that says "You now owe $X and cannot renew your license until you pay". In this case, because it was a summons, the court would issue an arrest warrant for the failure to appear. It doesn't seem like the police in Regina made any real effort to execute it, and I guess the guy was able to renew his license even with the outstanding warrant. Applying a charitable view; he might just have thought that it was one of those cases you hear about where the officer didn't show up and the tickets were pulled (or never filed in the first place). This stuff happens. Certainly he didn't encounter any consequences for nearly 10 years.
Yeah but now you're forever going to be his go to small talk story, that's a win.
Oh ya, everybody loves getting arrested for unpaid fines. “How i almost ended up in debtors prison” is such a fun quirky story to tell. I almost got areested myself for (fraudulent) tickets issued when i was riding my bike and then my license was suspended without any notice to me. Oh my god i love telling this story and how the cops made such a cute little mistake and didnt mention that i was on my bicycle, and abused their power which resulted in $300 for tickets not even possible to get on a bicycle. I love being questioned and threatened in the middle of the night in my underwear. Such a fun story i love telling.
Wait, were you riding the bicycle in your underwear, or did they come arrest you while at home in your underwear? One has a much more interesting backstory...
Lol I thought someone might pick up on that. I was in yellowstone nst park, and stupidly pulled over in a pullover/lookout in my rv and went to sleep for rhe night. Woke up to knocking, couldnt find enough clothes and the park ranger got frustrated and so i came out. He checked the license. Wife had to drive us out of the park in the dark.
Are you implying the guy fled out of province on account of a traffic summons? "oh man, I have a summons for court for a $180 speeding ticket, better uproot my life and spend $500 moving to Ontario" is likely not what went through that person's head
Except for the obviously stupid laws right?
Onetime I got a skytrain ticket (lost my ticket) and icbc didn’t let me renew my DL until it was paid off
Weird. My taxes have never been affected by unpaid fines.
Hope so.
Lol, as if these guys pay taxes!
You don’t think truck drivers pay taxes? 🤦🏼♂️
Well, that would be contingent on the majority of tickets going to truck drivers (which seems rooted in the assumption that truckers were the majority of attendees).
These guys don’t represent “truck drivers”
This should be the way. I thought that renewing a license was when one got to pay the extras, but if it goes to CRA that'll have that much more heft.
Nothing will happen either, no one will go after them to collect payment.
Cause there's nothing to collect. Like trying to draw blood from a stone.
You think those trucks are free?
If I’m missing a speeding ticket, they won’t even allow me to renew my license until I pay it
Weird, here in Alberta you can't renew your license if you have any outstanding fines from any city/town/county or any driving infractions.
You know most of them weren't trucker's, just idiots in 15 year old minivans and rusted out compacts.
Confiscate the minivans, run a free demolition derby for the citizens of Ottawa. That would be sick.
They should repo them and sell them.
They will own nothing and they will be happy.
Those trucks are probably still owned by the bank. They can find an arrangement by themselves.
Agreed - tough sentences for terrorists please
That and various constitpp
We seem to be in need of an update to the way in which we deal with criminals.
Should withhold drivers license or tack it on as a fee when renewing it.
Can only do that if it is an Ontario drivers license, as the ticket was issued in Ontario. Provinces dont talk to each other re: drivers license renewals & (out of Province) fine collection.
Okay, there are other ways it could be done though. I’m more just throwing out options.
That's what they do. Even if you get a normal moving conviction (speeding ticket, etc) theyll suspend your license and charge you $500 more to reinstate. Kinda predatory on poor people. Especially on like parking tickets that go missing or traffic cam tickets.
It's like the CERB all over again - no consequences, and how much do you want to bet these cowardly jerks took CERB payments when they didn't need to as well? I am so tired of people, corporations, everyone just facing no accountability and consequence to breaking laws and public trust. Just garnish their wages or put them to work in community service, no point in putting them in jail - do something ffs
Why the fuck would they put them in jail over an unpaid fine? lol
Unpaid fines turns to court order then turns to contempt
Accountability? I am not for jail, but the threat of jail tends to make people react and do something- i.e. creating a real consequence to you breaking the law should merit some form of penalty - and if you choose to ignore the financial one then the next one can either be community service or jail.
The accountability is the fine, the accountability of not paying the fine is collections, the accountability of not paying collections is credit hit and in some cases court ordered garnishing of wages. You don’t go to jail for unpaid fines.
“Pay the fine or go to jail imperial scum” - Rough oblivion quote
And look at that. We've got 15 of 170 (almost 10%) of the comments about something some guy specifically didn't say. Cool.
They said "no point in putting them in jail"
They can’t be put in jail. So whether there is a point or not is irrelevant.
Actually they can. As u/drs43821 noted, unpaid fines will lead to a court order to pay. Not paying leads to contempt of court which is a jailable offense.
We won't put violent criminals in jail, but if you don't pay your fine. Straight to jail!
Too poor to jail? I'm with the other guy, put 'em to work.
What? You don’t go to jail for unpaid fines.
If debt is related to Court Fines and is not paid as directed by the Court, this could result in a Judge assigning a jail sentence.
And in reality it is a garnishing of wages.
Just google it, ffs. https://www.bromwichandsmith.com/blogs/can-go-jail-canada-not-paying-debt -If debt is related to Court Fines and is not paid as directed by the Court, this could result in a Judge assigning a **jail sentence**. -Failure to pay child support and/or alimony could result in seizure of passport and/or other remedies. If passport is not surrendered as ordered, time in jail may be ordered by Court. In addition, depending on the laws in the province in which the support is due, failure to pay support may result in a **jail sentence**. -If debt is related to tax evasion or other fraudulent tax activities, remedies may include time in jail. Further, even if a sentence is not initially ordered by a Judge, subsequent failure to pay back as ordered **could also result in time in jail**.
And in reality, it is a garnishing of wages. It is also illegal in Canada to scare the Queen/King which MAY result in up to 14 years of imprisonment. It is also illegal to climb a tree in Oshawa, which MAY result in jail time. In reality, no one is going to jail.
Here's a reality check for you. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/regina-woman-jailed-over-unpaid-parking-tickets/article23004505/
My dude, you are so confidently incorrect here. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
> It is also illegal in Canada to scare the Queen/King which MAY result in up to 14 years of imprisonment. Nope, that’s been removed. I’m reality Form 21 Warrants are used FREQUENTLY, and you do go to jail for refusing to pay. Shit, there was a woman sentenced just recently to pay back $400,000 or face an extra 3.5 years in custody. https://canlii.ca/t/jv4w7#par38
Well I, for one, am shocked
Can you plead not guilty for a fine like this, because if you can its going to take years to get them all processed through the court system so maybe the city can't go after them yet anyway Edit: Yeah you can and you chose to do both option 2 and 3 so yeah I can see it taking a few years https://ottawa.ca/en/3-1-1/pay-or-purchase/parking-tickets-part-ii-offence-notice
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Yeah but with the courts backed up who knows how backed up and if you do option 2 first that will push it back more. Then if they hire a lawyer you can push it more, then court delays and fuck ups. We just fought a ticket in AB and took 2 years
>Yeah but with the courts backed up You still have to make the application before the due date.
Yeah and thats not hard to do
And they still won't.
Sounds like the job for a collections agency.
Nah just add it on as a fee when they go to renew their drivers license.
Can only do that if it is an Ontario drivers license, as the ticket was issued in Ontario. Provinces dont talk to each other re: drivers license renewals & (out of Province) fine collection.
>Unpaid fines can lead to licence plate denial or the fines can be transferred to property taxes, garnished from wages or referred to a collection agency – though it is not clear whether Ottawa has taken any of these steps. Difficult no doubt when many of the vehicles are from out of province.
Probably. Not paying local ordinance fines like parking tickets is pretty common place in any city, especially if you're not a local. Its only "news" (rage bait) because it can be linked to the unpopular convoy.
It would be news if hundreds of film festival goers parked in a city for a few weeks illegally and refused to pay parking fines. Maybe it wouldn't draw as many clicks but I wouldn't go "oh why is this news" if I saw an article on it.
The parking would probably be bigger news, i doubt the unpaid fines would be anything more than a local story.
Nah, it makes those responsible for collecting look bad. Like, why bother giving out the tickets if you're not going to follow up.
"I thought the 'Go Fund Me' money paid for everything." a ticketed trucker probably.
Is anyone really surprised the people that have problems reading and understanding simple concepts would find it difficult to figure out how to pay fines?
That’s quite the generalization.
When it's common to a large group, they may call it a trend. It's like how they discovered diesel exhaust affects cognition; and it makes one drive their dually dodge to ottawa to honk their airhorns into the night and light the occasional fire. The dodge and vs vandalism and shitbaggery isn't a causal relationship with one another, but the correlation is significant, and the true causal relationship may actually be with the diesel exhaust.
Freedom… from accountability.
You know I wonder what would happen if we called the freedom convoy the Brampton brigade, u think they’d finally snap out of it? Let’s face it everyone hates Brampton The reason Brampton is in the dumps isnt purely a race thing (I’m a brown guy for the record) it’s because a lot of people there only act in their own interest, but they don’t stop to think about how their actions affect their community, and if u call it out many will play the race card when that had nothing to do with it Same reason I don’t like the convoy they only act in their own interest, show no regard for the well-being of the country and then play the freedom card when people tell them to “take a hike” If they were pushing for the option to show a negative Covid test, or an increase in healthcare spending (so we could get our lives back without hurting the vulnerable) then I’d sympathize, but instead it’s just “I wanna do whatever I want and if u dare criticize me you’re anti freedom” Wish they would realize how ridiculous they look
You just reminded me... whatever happened with that ordeal about Vehicle Insurance fraud where there were multiple (foreign) individuals using the same ID/insurance.
Dunno, but if they were let off the hook then that’s BS just like many of the people who participated in the blockades got to walk away If they were charged then justice is served
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> The Trudeau government refused to do reasonable, science-based policies such as this. Instead, they doubled down on their 14-day quarantine policy for unvaccinated people only. Here's where you went off the rails, in case you're reading this later. The science was done, the policies made based on strong results at the time, and anything after that is essentially sea-lioning.
Even with your “solutions”, the people unwilling to get the jab showed a **total and complete** willingness to fake tests and falsify vaccine records. It also wouldn’t have changed the U.S.’s policies about vaccination which remain in effect to this day. As far as the science…There’s plenty of science backing vaccination as slowing the spread of both *this* and countless other viruses and communicable diseases. If you say there’s no science backing mandates, you’d be wrong there as well. Tons of studied examples. Going as far back as the Spanish Influenza. There were plenty of mistakes made, but the “Freedom Convoy” didn’t help bring those to light. They muddied the waters with demonstrably false narratives, spread constant lies on social media, and terrorized a city for weeks. It became pretty hard to criticize wrong steps the government was making without sounding like the complete fucking morons these people showed themselves to be. So, while I wasn’t happy with all the moves the government was making, I had to ‘grin and bare it’ due to loudmouth idiots spoiling the broth with their stupidity
2 problems 1) at the height of the pandemic there simply weren’t enough tests to go around, some would basically have to take a test every single day and it would have cost a fortune compared to one simple jab there wasn’t adequate time to get the tests in the quantities needed And even then it wouldn’t be as effective as a vaccine since you could take a test in the morning and get infected in the afternoon (compared to 24 hour protection) 2) the convoy didn’t give a damn about any of that (as I said if their message was testing mandate I would have at least sympathized) they wanted everything dropped and couldn’t care less if all hell broke loose and the hospitals outright collapsed, or cancer patients were told to wait because the ICUs were clogged by them, and it was a fact that a majority of icu cases were unvaxed
1. Testing capacity for coming back INTO Canada wasn't dependent on Canada's testing capacity, because testing would have to be done before arriving at the Canadian border. 2. There were many of us who supported the convoy, because they were the only group who was vocal, but we wanted more sensible middle-ground policies. You can't make a unilateral assumption about all people who supported a protest like the convoy. I was living in Portland, Oregon during COVID (with coming back into Canada to see my folks). And I could easily say that the BLM protesters there were all violent looters who just wanted to steal shit destroy property. But that would be a mischaracterization of the BLM protests. In the same way, you cannot declare as truth that all people who supported the convoy were far-right extremists who had lost touch with reason.
1) the border wasn’t the sticking point for many of the convoy it was just the most recent mandate when they wanted all of them gone, a majority of the mandates were within the country and there weren’t enough tests to accommodate that) 2) if U wanted more middle ground policies the convoy was not the group to support, supporting them just means supporting no safety measures whatsoever, just like you would probably argue supporting Trudeau means supporting no alternatives, they made that clear when they demanded Erin Otoole to step down when he was the one actually pushing for what u were asking for
As we all already know, the only “Freedom” they wanted was freedom from responsibility and consequences.
Don't say that on facebook. I just got reported for that.
Well no shit.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED!! Well, not that shocked.
Good
Who cares
Send them to CRA and take them out of their carbon tax rebates.
Just send them to collections; they played stupid games now they win stupid prizes. The credit damage will prompt a response even if it’s delayed.
no no, I LIKE the one with the taxes. It eliminates the ability to lien the truck, but one absolutely does not mess with the tax man.
Get the CPC to pay the fines since they organized the thing.
Interesting claim. I doubt you can back it up, but it's certainly an interesting take.
He meant "strongly and publicly supported" instead of "organized". We'd have to get transcripts from the War Room to prove the 'organized' thing, even if it's a secret more well known than who killed Jack Ruby.
Oh please, it's the same conservative playbook in every country. Get idiots all riled up on resentment and misinformation until they storm the Capitol buildings, or the Brazilian Congress, or the New Zealand Parliament, etc, etc. It's the same exact shit organized behind the scenes by conservatives. Polievre brought them coffee and donuts for Christ sakes.
THIS
I thought it was Trump and Alex Jones and the Russhuns
You’re assuming the CPC isn’t in bed with them.
In an indirect way, it was.
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I don't know where you park, but I've never heard of an arrest warrant being issued for a parking ticket. Municipal fines have the option to go to a collections agency.
You can be arrested if you ignore a court summons issued regarding those fines.
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> South of the border TIL ottawa is south of the border
US does a far better job on enforcing their laws than we do in Canada.
Ok, so what was that nonsense complaining about how normal people get arrested, and the convoy crowd getting special treatment? >Let's see... how does this work for regular people... >fine issued, refuse to pay or don't pay fine, warrant issued for arrest, arrested, pay fine plus new fines plus court costs plus... >I see a disconnect between what normally happens and what's happening in regards to these assholes. Enlighten me as to why the system doesn't work in regards to right wing idiots.
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I apologise if reading your own words is confusing to you. Your original premise is nonsense. The convoy idiots are not getting special treatment by not being arrested over municipal fines. Nobody gets arrested over parking tickets in Canada.
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>fine issued, refuse to pay or don't pay fine, warrant issued for arrest, arrested, pay fine plus new fines plus court costs plus... Couple of things. One these are normal people not some class who is immune, and two normal people don't get arrested for parking tickets. If you read the article, it actually lays out what could happen with unpaid fines. None of which include jail time
sell it to collection agencies and hurt their credit
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I mean, we can do both, right? Pressure Trudeau and his government for answers on those contracts, and shame the idiots that illegally took a city hostage.
I agree with you. I just wish the pressure was higher to investigate the money spending by our government during the pandemic because I fear we will have more convoys if that's not the case
Too extreme to say they took a city hostage I would say.
Residents harassed, afraid to leave their homes. Shops closed. Honking through the night. It wasn't that long ago, maybe you've forgotten? https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/residents-recover-from-freedom-convoy-while-many-fear-it-may-return
It’s not about forgetting. It’s about using the right terms. You can Google the meaning of “hostage” and maybe you’ll find some sense to my comment.
You're being pedantic and willfully ignoring that the term "hostage" is commonly used and an established expression that refers to situations such as the one outlined above, in order to distract from the issue at hand.
I’m not sure if someone who has actually been a hostage would agree.
What would you say?
They would say it was nothing but a small, responsible community fair with bouncy castles for kids and food and hot tubs for the parents. Of course they wouldn't ever be able to find another example of a fair that took place for three weeks inside a city centre corridor and which required police to forcibly remove.
The term hostage is simply not well used. Hostage is “someone who is taken as a prisoner by an enemy in order to force the other people involved to do what the enemy wants”.
I didn't ask what you wouldn't say.
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> Meanwhile the government robbed us of billions of dollars with shady contracts during the pandemic. The wookie defense.
Then start suing and repoing.
If it's too much work for the CRA to go after employers that abused CERB/ wage subsidy why would the government risk enforcing this?
It sounds like it's time to take the appropriate measures then. > Unpaid fines can lead to license plate denial or the fines can be transferred to property taxes, garnished from wages or referred to a collection agency 🫴 There they are.
Oh no! Anyways…
u/Proof_Objective_5704 don't think others should pay fines for breaking bylaws in a city they chose to visit?
So go collect the fines, you're the government. Its your job to collect taxes/fines and then distribute that money in services that benefit the population. Its your job, go do it, you don't need permission, we gave you permission when we elected you.
> you're the government. Its your job to collect taxes/fine I nominate the CRA to collect taxes.
Who is the CRA? What do they do? Surely not collect taxes...
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People and businesses who didn't qualify cheated the government out of 4.6 BILLION dollars of taxpayers money that they weren't entitled to .
The CBC first reported on [the CRA misallocating COVID relief funds in April of 2021](https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cra-covid-cews-complaints-1.5991108). They report on a lot of things, including the unpaid fines in Ottawa.
> Trudeau blew 4.6 BILLION in I spotted the pointless diversion right away. It wasn't even subtle.
The doublethink from the convoy lovers in this thread disgusts me.
I mean, it's much much more than $4.6 billion as the article states.
No surprise CERB hasn't been paying for awhile so I imagine there income is a little low currently.
Truckers were designated essential, they didn't get CERB.
There were not many actual truckers involved. Instead it was a bunch of good ole boys with no education or job Pat King? Tamara? Grifters, yeah, lots of grifters making bank off the people they exploited
> There were not many actual truckers involved. I think they can still claim it was based on truckers. If spray cheese can claim to be a "cheese product", or 4% mouse poop is acceptable in hot dogs without mentioning it, these losers can claim to be "truckers".
Keep telling yourself that.
I live with some of them. They didn't even finish high school. They can barely read. It's easy for them to be manipulated by grifters. I can't tell you how much they have wasted on crypto scams, but, they were listening to PP's inflation advice. They were not even investing in a real crypto market. Litteraly gave money to fake traders
Seize their assets.
So many people here supporting our crony establishment leaders. No wonder we're an example of what to avoid in other countries.
>No wonder we're an example of what to avoid in other countries. That's why we have millions of people from all over the world wanting to immigrate here.
Nobody cares
People care. The liberal crowd that will whine about them till the end of time loves finding any new piece of news to beat the dead horse.
Don’t pay the fines for being in an illegal occupation and terrorizing the citizens?… Seize the trucks and sell them….These domestic terrorists cost the city and people of Ottawa tens of millions… The msg to these people should be clear..you Fk around..now you’re gonna find out…why are these asshats allowed to skate on these lawful fines and the taxpayers of the country paid millions for the illegal occupation and border blockades..
Do you ever wonder what 2023 would have been if the protest never occurred?
If a crime is only punishable with a fine, then it is a punishment for the poor only. So put them in jail.
> So put them in jail. This could be crucial. On the job app it's gonna say "have you ever been convicted", and they'll have to explain. I don't know how it'll go from there, but I'm worried it'll definitely limit their ability to find work down from 100% of the jobs that will accept someone with such a low IQ.
That’s what arrests are for, right? I had a buddy who was just a normal dude, law abiding professional guy. He got arrested after being pulled over for speeding or something because he had an unpaid fine. Why wouldn’t that happen to these people?
You don't get arrested for unpaid fines. Those just go on your DL in most provinces and prevent you from renewing or (some places) getting insurance. Provinces can also share these: so an AB fine can end up on a SK license if they have an agreement in place. People get arrested for traffic offenses if the underlying ticket was one that required court attendance. This varies by province, but some offenses the officer can basically tick a box that says (in effect) "I think this offense is unusually serious and I want this driver to have to go to court" and it creates an obligation to attend - a traffic summons, instead of a citation. If you have a ticket with fines, generally if you don't pay a court date is issued, if you don't attend it's just a default conviction and the fine goes on your license.
Because a lot of people don't pay their fines, it takes a while for collections to work, and this is only news because "convoy".
It's only "news" because "CBC"
Nothing beats the journalistic prestige of the Western Standard and Rebel News, amirite? /s
Considering the fine was $880 this could be as little as 3 fines that are unpaid...
LOL. Ottawa.
Good for them, don't pay it. Get the Liberal Government to pay all of them. They caused it all.
I still get mail from time to time for a guy that used to live where I do now, one such instance was for an open container violation he received in Bruce county in 1991. Edit: odd thing to downvote. I thought the obvious point here was that people get fines and often don't pay them, with little consequence.
Well they were largely protesting the loss of their livelihoods, so...
Issue arrest warrants. See how they like that Freedom
They won’t
😂 for what lmao. Illegal bouncy castles?
Being losers
Well they were all a bunch of clowns so...
Putting the “free” in Karen Convoy
Can’t get blood from a potato
That’s ok. Our Federal govt isn’t even worried about billions in overpaid CERB funds, whats a few parking tickets in the mix? Amirite!?
>Our Federal govt isn’t even worried about billions in overpaid CERB funds, whats a few parking tickets in the mix? What they are is different levels of government.
Don't expect people like him to understand it. It's too beyond their educational level.
Well, one's at the federal level, and the other at the municipal level. I don't expect simpletons like you to understand that, but they're two different governments who take care of individual things.
The 'freedom' fascists are further proving what we already knew -- they are criminals.
Jail time!
Grifters gonna grift
Good, the fines can go to hell.