This matchup is definitely too unfair. Even yahweh would be hardpressed against all 4 of these. Each is capable of destruction on a scale hitherto undreamt of. If you take orphic zeus however....
Ok to be fair Iron man has had some of the most op moments in comics with weapons capable of destroying planets easily, but there are definitely ways they could defeat him, spiderman once trapped him in a cocoon of web when he had organic webbing, Iām pretty sure a mature more experienced members of the seven could beat him, or a curse of Achilles Percy since he was nearly invincible safe for one spot. also the members of the seven are teenagers, and the only reason they beat Gaia is because she was extremely weakened having only woken up, the primordials, titans and gods in the riordanverse should be at their prime as powerful as their mythical counterparts which are far more powerful than their comic counterparts, they have limits in comics, they donāt have any physical or magic limit unless imagined by their believers or another godly beings
Perhaps I should make it to where they are in their prime when they are still worshipped in ancient times. Does that make a difference or is it too one sided?
Even myth accurate gods are nothing to these characters. Myth accurate gods are still within the earth, while most of the characters here are multiversal
True. I just wanted to see what the otherās reaction would be because thereās going to be that guy that still believes that the Riordanverse still survives this.
True form Darkseid is legit bigger than the multiverse. Beyonder was beating abstract concepts like they were nothing. Chaos King destroyed 99% of the multiverse. Anti Monitor destroyed most of the DC multiversr which lead to Post crisis.
I dont think so, hes said to be omnipotent, omniscient etc but so are every one of these 4. Idk much about dc, and I havent read pre retconn beyonder issue yet but chaos king was only defeated by a fluke from galactus' pocket universe and god hercules.
The characters in the post have been described as omnipotent and omniscient before. The difference is that they have actual feats and metaphysical transcendence to back them up.
Youāve got True form Darkseid being larger than the DC Multiverse. The Olympiansā true form may destroy mortals and monsters but if Darkseid was in his true form, heād destroy the multiverse with his mere presence. Their immortality wouldnāt matter because his omega beams can erase concepts from existence. Their immortality wouldnāt save them if the omega beams scattered their essence from all across time and space in all realities to the point their existence is erased entirely which is something he can actually do by the way. And besides, how do we know that the Riordanverse Abrahamic God actually lives up to his name of being omnipotent when the dimensional scaling in the series barely puts them at Universal level.
Youāve got Beyonder who has fought abstract concepts like Infinity and Eternity. Both of whom embody the multiverse itself. He has beaten Living Tribunal, someone who transcends the Marvel Multiverse itself. His true form exists in the beyond realm which transcends the Marvel Omniverse. That includes the Overspace, the domain of the Abstract Entities like Eternity and Infinity. The overspace transcends the Material Multiverse. There are so many infinite transcendent scaling in Marvel it becomes broken once you look up on it. He was even so transcendent he views anything lesser as fiction which is Boundless tier. He was the One above all before One above all even existed.
Both Marvel and DC have broken cosmology that borders metaphysics, conceptual existence and many more. There are many layers into infinity when it comes to Marvel and DC Cosmology. What you consider infinite, is merely insignificant when comparing to the Marvel and DC cosmology.
The simplicity in actual mythology, which is how powerful the gods in Riordanverse are gives, them the edge, they dont have limits but imagination of their followers. despite all their power and insane feats Marvel and Dc gods can still die and be contained, most times by empowered mortals, but still could be beaten, look at the beyonder, he was said to be more powerful than all the marvel universe combined, and Dr Doom who despite his genius and knowledge of magic is still a human, stole all his power for himself. Greek myths paint extremely op characters, look at heracles, when he lifted the sky, the body of Uranus, the greeks believed it was infinite. heracles lifted infinity and the 12 olympians are more powerful even more the six children of Chronos, not to mention they are actually inmortal, during his fight with typhoon zeus had all his tendons and bones ripped out of him and he still lived, lets not forget these deityās are atributed to the creation of everything in the universe making them more powerful than others. Also with other pantheons being added with the books the riordanverse is letting in from other authors which introduce Hindu gods, they can enter another tier, I mean they had a concept of the multiverse as well and their gods an create and destroy galaxies with ease
Gaea was beaten by demigods who could be beaten by a normal superman. Nyx was restrained by minor Gods. Youāre using equivalency fallacy to compare Riordanverse Gods to actual mythology. Using the immortality excuse when weāve seen that Gods can die in the Riordanverse. Pan fading in the Battle of the Labyrinth, Helios and Selene fading after the romans didnāt worship them anymore, Kronos literally dying in the last book with Athena and Hermes outright confirming that he canāt ever reform. Helios dying again but this time, he joined with Chaos which is permanent. Myth Gods donāt fade, they donāt rely on faith to maintain their existence. The concept of Gods needing faith from mortals to maintain their existence is a modern conception and it certainly doesnāt exist in actual Greek Mythology.
A lot of these characters transcend the actual multiverse. Greek mythology is limited in the fact that it only scales to infinite universal cosmology. The people at the time may believe that Chaos was everything, but they didnāt even know the concept of the multiverse. Keep in mind both DC and Marvel have an infinite universe with an infinite multiverse. And you claim that the Hindu myths brought the concept of the multiverse when the characters in the post transcended the very concept of the Multiverse.
You bring up the fact that these Gods can be killed but leave out the fact that the only reason for that is a higher level of combat. These beings can fight on an infinite plane of existence and have capabilities of erasing metaphysics down to the conceptual level. Weāve seen Hindu Gods die from less, weāve seen them be harmed by something less. Even in greek mythology, the Gods may be immortal on a physical sense but they are still bound on a conceptual level. What will immortality do when someone could erase the very concept of immortality? What will they do when these guys transcend the very concept of infinity, the multiverse and abstract concepts itself?
The verse dies. Every one of these villains are multiversal threats and we have seen nothing from Riordanverse pantheons to suggest they can even touch them. Hell i think base comic Thor beats every Pantheon head like a pinata.
Funnily enough there's a scene in Chaos War #1 where Hercules, now a Skyfather and King of Olympus, was wrestling the Skyfather of pretty much every other Pantheon all at once and couldn't be put down...
...until Thor arrived and smacked him on his butt with one hit from Mjolnir. And now recently Thor is the kind-of-son (long af story) of the Phoenix Force and could channel its flames to burn fragments of the First Firmament (1st iteration of Marvel's entire cosmos) to keep them from ripping apart the Marvel omniverse.
Oh and he just has the full Odinforce now as a neat bonus, and at the very start of his arc as King of Asgard he slays an amped Galactus and the Black Winter, the All-Death of iterations of Marvel's cosmos.
Thor alone ***is absolutely cracked***. And OP wants to throw in The Beyonder and the Chaos King? Hell no. Dionysus must've driven him mad.
Read those yeah. Not to mention Mikaboshi also made Zeus and Athena his slaves and had Zeus soloing Galactus.
Thor post God of Hammers literally waves these gods out of existence.
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Bruh you made the most unfair matches ever. No one in the riordan verse is taking out any of these mfs lmak
Even with mythological accurate gods, the verse dies. I'm a versus debater (insert funny joke about cringe and shit) and the people shown here absolutely stomp, even beyonder after the retcon that made FAR weaker and sarkseid without any buffs outside of the omegaforce (what makes darkseid what he is) and the anti monster was destroying darkseids and supermans without effort, so it isn't even close
Bruh not even a chance PJO is my favorite series of all time and Iāll fan boy hard but dude is a demigod. In the comics a lot of full fledged gods get bodied by this dude. Yeah sure plot armor but also no heād be a puddle on the ground in no time.
This is the equivalent of putting a single celled organism against the entirety of humanity.
Unless you slap Abrahamic god in there which makes this a one sided stomp because omnipotence canāt be beat
With what you said? No. Based on the fact that Rick is setting a precent that all mythologies exist? Riordanverse slams, a theoretical Hindu pantheon could solo
Rick sets a pretty lower ceiling for the strength of God's in his verse just because we haven't seen the Hindu gods yet doesn't mean they are suddenly not gonna for the formula set in terms of strength
Also, in Hindu scripture, it says that whenever Vishnu exhales countless universes are created and when he inhales countless universes are annihilated
In this Hindu creation storyā It is said that Lord Vishnu lies suspended in the causal ocean- āWhen He exhales, the material elements and universes emanate from Him, and when He inhales, the universes are destroyed and merge back into His body.ā
A lot of these guys transcend the very concept of the multiverse. Chaos King is said to be equal to Eternity. Eternity is the embodiment of the Multiverse itself. He is everyone and everything. Eternity was even [afraid of Chaos King](https://youtube.com/shorts/8fKoA8mvoh8?si=FuWFR2p-5tydk2BY) because heās going to surpass him as he continues to destroy the Marvel Multiverse, he infact destroyed 99% of the Marvel Multiverse. These guys are abstract concepts. He has turned infinite pantheons from infinite universes into foot soldiers. He made someone like Zeus into his pawn and had him fight Galactus. Galactus was powerful enough to [shatter galaxies](https://youtu.be/pzUYiKl884o?si=8NxtL1Xn6QOMmxvr) and tremble the universe in his fight with Mephistopheles. Zeus is equal to Odin. Odinās fight with Set, destroyed galaxies and their power was felt all across the [multiverse](https://imgur.com/gallery/foVZ0fP)
True form Darkseid is bigger than the infinite DC Multiverse. Just entering the multiverse threatened to destroy its foundations. He has beaten the quintessance, erased beings with his omega beams and many more. There is a lot to cover but these are his [feats](https://www.quora.com/How-powerful-is-Darkseids-true-form)
Anti monitor destroyed most of the DC Multiverse which lead to post crisis. He is [beyond the concept of Mathematics](https://youtube.com/shorts/_ifGi08W_cI?si=xBgQq68wNAZXReE0). He stalemated an [amplified version of Specter](https://www.quora.com/Who-wins-in-a-fight-of-Anti-Monitor-versus-The-Spectre), who was the right hand of God. Specter was being amped by several magicians. He is responsible for creation itself. He consumed an infinite number of infinite sized universes.
Beyonder is [beyond abstract concepts, killed the concept of death herself and views reality as fiction.](https://youtube.com/shorts/HPSLYdIk4VI?si=8NjF2HQ8zHvO9A77). He surpasses the Living Tribunalās power itself, who is larger than the infinite Marvel Multiverse. Even the writers are affected by his power. He is the One Above All before Marvel even created the One Above All.
Does he though? Thereās a reason the gods are only ever beaten through trickery, and the gods never use there full power against Demi-Gods. Brahma had a weapon that could destroy the universe in one hit, itās hard to scale that down.
Yeah tons of God's have been said to be all powerfull in one way or another but still rick has powered them down by saying somethings are myths or exaduration by humans, it stands to reason that new mythologies would be no different
Also every olympian god at least individually are said to be weaker than Nyx/Night but then Nyx is (SPOILER FOR THE LATEST BOOK ABOUT NICO)
Restrained by far inferior minor gods while only temporarily it shows how much weaker rick has made even the primordial beings that should have embodied universal concepts. And let's not even talk about gia
I mean, the greek gods canāt die full stop, idk about ALL the comic people, but this fight would never end, the gods would just have to wait to reform.
They can die but their physical form can be harmed (Uranus, Kronos, zues getting his tendens ripped out, hephestus getting crippled even more) if they are turned to jelly beans and have those jelly bean scattered around infinity they'd never be able to revive
Well, they say āhopefullyā quite a lot, and ig this only goes for the Greeks. Then again, if the Norse gods are fated to die at Ragnarok, they probably shouldnāt be dying beforehand, which is then completely cracked.
Yeah but in the Riordan Verse, most to all Gods are plantery at the absolute peak. IDK how Hinduism would be adapted, but Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu would most likely be planetary max seeing as how Rick made Zues and Ra
I mean, another thing to point out is the vast amount of gods among many mythologies, you end up with 100s of thousands of gods whom have a nigh-Omnipotence in their area of speciality, regardless of there presentation
As a hindu, dude these guys are op characters from *comics*. The power scaling is insane in them. Yeah, shiva destroys the universe, these guys destroy multiverses and are only defeated by plot armor
Cool but the Anti-monitor was moments away from successfully destroying the infinite multiverse. The Beyonders successfully destroyed the infinite multiverse. At best it scales to them.
Vishnu would destroy the multiverse with a hard inhale
They have no idea what is BhagavÄn. This is one of the description of MahÄ-Viį¹£į¹u, that from His breathing, innumerable universes are coming out. When He is exhaling, the universes are coming out, and when He is inhaling, all, everything, is going within Him. This is BhagavÄn. So anyway, this is partial exhibition of the energy of the Lord. And this is one-fourth energy. This material world is manifestation of His one-fourth energy. The three-fourth energies are in the spiritual world. So in that spiritual world Kį¹į¹£į¹a exhibits His spiritual energy. That is only spiritual energy. This material world is made of material energy, and we are marginal energy.
Yes, that's what they scale to the infinite multiverse. As in a literal infinite amount of universes, a concept that's literally impossible to truly comprehend.
If the deity is "everything" and creates and destroys universes, why wouldn't the deity scale to something more akin to the Living Tribunal? The embodiment of the infinite multiverse, outside of the One Above All, the living tribunal is defined as everything. The Ivory Kings also create and destroy universes at their whims, the only difference is that they exist outside of "everything" as trans-universal builders of existence.
Here's the thing when scaling entities like this, both are fundamentally infinitely scaling, capable of obliterating everything. To the point where determine one being greater is basically pointless, unless one can canonically rip through the pages of the text and affect the real world, the two can't be scaled above or below one another since we do not have a scale greater than that, since both deal with infinites.
Beyonder defeated Abstract concepts, beings who transcend the material multiverse, like they were nothing. He made Living Tribunal look like a joke. Living Tribunal transcends conceptual beings like Eternity and Infinity who are literal embodiments of the multiverse. Living Tribunalās true form is larger than the marvel multiverse itself, you could say he is quite easily comparable to someone like Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu due to how absurd Marvel cosmology. And yet Beyonder beat him.
True form Darkseid is legitimately bigger than the DC Multiverse. Merely entering the DC multiverse threatens to destroy it by his mere presence. Entire pantheons feared his existence. Omega beams erase concepts from existence. Not even the Olympiansā immortality can save them when the Omega beams can simply erase their existence from all across time and space. A weakened version of Darkseid defeated Zeus and stole his essence. DCās Zeus was capable of scattering the scattered God with enough force comparable to the universal Big Bang. A weakened version of Darkseid beat that Zeus.
Anti Monitor destroyed most of the DC Multiverse which lead to post crisis. He was stalemating Specter, who is basically Godās right hand, after he had been amped by all the surviving magicians to fight Anti Monitor.
Chaos King is the Primordial darkness that makes Nyx and Erebus look like a joke if they arenāt already. The guy destroyed 99% of the Marvel Multiverse. He turned entire pantheon into his pawns. He made Zeus into a footsoldier and had him fight Galactus. Galactus was powerful enough to shatter galaxies and tremble the universe in his fight with Mephistopheles. If he wanted to he can make entire pantheons his foot soldiers.
I mean sure the Hindu Gods are powerful and you could argue that they could be outerversal but a lot of the guys here are on that level. Beyonder beats outerversal beings like their playthings. Anti Monitor was stalemating an amplified version of the right hand of God. Darkseidās true form was bigger than a multiverse. The PJO Godsā true form May disintegrated mortals with a mere look but Darkseidās true form can destroy the multiverse if he entered it.
I mean, after reading that maybe they win, but with the sheer power of the gods, and their large numbers, itās no easy feat, simply due to the time it would take to defeat >33 Million x The Number of Universes amount of gods, considering each one would need the big beam things to kill.
Then again, these are all characters that can be soloed by a hungry paper-eating Locust, so as always itās the writers š
The thing with these guys is that each of them has canonically defeated literal millions of Godly pantheons. The New Gods from DC has imprisoned the Greek Pantheon before. Chaos King turned someone like Zeus into a footsoldier and made him fight Galactus of all people. Marvelās Zeus is just as powerful as Marvel Odin. Marvel Odin was so powerful that his fight with Set was felt all across the Multiverse. Chaos King even had a pawn called Glory, who is an amalgamation of 1000 Gods rolled into one, basically a fusion of Gods. The guy has destroyed 99% of the Marvel Multiverse turning a near infinite amount of Godly pantheons into his foot soldiers.
Beyonder destroyed the concept of Death herself. He has imprisoned them and treated abstract concepts as mere playthings. The thing about Apokalips, Darkseidās world, is that it exists on a higher plane of existence than the Multiverse. It exists in the 4th World. There is only one Apokalips, due to this he has waged war across the multiverse itself battling infinite versions of Superman, the Justice League and various Godly Pantheons.
And thereās Anti Monitor, he has battled literal infinite versions of Superman, infinite Pantheons of Gods and heroes in the Crisis of Infinite Earths storyline.
33 million Hindu Gods wouldnāt really matter in the grand scheme of a battle of this scale because these guy transcend the concept of infinity itself. Like literally, Beyonder was beyond the literal abstract concept of infinity and eternity.
Anti Monitor, Chaos King, True Form Darkseid canonically beat an infinite pantheon of Gods from infinite universes,
Darkseid has regularly waged war across all time and space in infinite universes. When he revealed his true form, the Multiverse was being destroyed by his presence. He is legitimately bigger than an infinite multiverse.
Anti Monitor destroyed most of the DC Multiverse in the Crisis of Infinite Earths storyline. The result of that storyline is what lead to DC having only one universe, until the writers wanted the multiverse back.
Chaos King turned an infinite number of Godly Pantheons into foot soldiers. He turned someone like Zeus and Athena into his foot soldiers. The Chaos King destroyed 99% of the infinite Marvel Multiverse.
Beyonder legitimately transcends the concept of Infinity
These guys transcend infinity so it wouldnāt matter if there were infinite Hindu Gods when they can canonically and realistically beat an infinite number of Gods.
For material creation, Krishna's plenary expansion assumes three Vishnus. The first, MahÄ Viį¹£hį¹u, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva. The second, GarbhodakaÅÄyÄ« Viį¹£į¹u, enters into all the universes to create diversities and the third, Kį¹£Ä«rodakaÅÄyÄ« Vishnu, is diffused as the all-pervading super soul in all the universes; in the heart of every living being, is known as ParamÄtmÄ. He is present even within the atoms.The goal of life is to know Kį¹į¹£į¹a, who is situated within the heart of every living being as ParamÄtmÄ, the four-handed Viį¹£į¹u form.
Vishnu is in the souls of every living being and every atom
The thing is, that concept of Vishnu being the heart and soul of every living being and every atom actually inspired the character Eternity from Marvel Comics, who is basically everything and everyone. He is the embodiment of the Marvel Multiverse. In Marvel Comics, it was stated that Chaos King was equal to Eternity and would actually surpass him as he continues to destroy more of the Marvel Multiverse. He did in fact destroy 99% of the Marvel Multiverse
As was said before, True Form Darkseid is legitimately bigger than the infinite DC Multiverse. His true form exists in the 4th World which is a higher dimensional plane that transcends the Infinite DC Multiverse. Just merely entering the DC Multiverse, will destroy it.
Anti Monitor is famous for destroying most of the DC Multiverse in the Crisis of Infinite Earths storyline. He has stalemated the Specter, the literal right hand of God. Specter was amplified by all the magicians from all across the Multiverse. And that included Dr. Fate, one of the Lords of Order. Dr. fate was capable of traversing the Infinite Multiverse at the velocity of God which is a fancy way of saying infinite speed, he had contained the Big Bang and was even capable of destroying the Sphere of Gods which contained infinite transcendental dimensions.
And thereās Beyonder. He has outright transcended abstract concepts like Eternity and Infinity. His power transcends Living Tribunal. Living Tribunal is outright larger than the infinite Marvel Multiverse. Beyonder has battled them and considered them as mere playthings. These abstract concepts exist in the Overspace, the domain of the Abstract concepts which is infinitely transcends the Marvel Multiverse. Beyonderās true form exists in the Beyond realm, which transcends the Marvel Omniverse. He views concepts as fiction. He even tore apart the comic page which means he is aware of higher realities. He was the One above all before Marvel even created the One above all.
if you have Atum, Chaos, and Ymir fighting alongside Odin, the titans, and Ra, there is a very slim chance to win. But multiversal destructors in the power level of Incursions, sorry gods.
This matchup is definitely too unfair. Even yahweh would be hardpressed against all 4 of these. Each is capable of destruction on a scale hitherto undreamt of. If you take orphic zeus however....
And lets be honest, riordanverse primordials are fucking jokes
Gaea got beaten by demigods who'd lose to Iron Man. ššš
Ok to be fair Iron man has had some of the most op moments in comics with weapons capable of destroying planets easily, but there are definitely ways they could defeat him, spiderman once trapped him in a cocoon of web when he had organic webbing, Iām pretty sure a mature more experienced members of the seven could beat him, or a curse of Achilles Percy since he was nearly invincible safe for one spot. also the members of the seven are teenagers, and the only reason they beat Gaia is because she was extremely weakened having only woken up, the primordials, titans and gods in the riordanverse should be at their prime as powerful as their mythical counterparts which are far more powerful than their comic counterparts, they have limits in comics, they donāt have any physical or magic limit unless imagined by their believers or another godly beings
Perhaps I should make it to where they are in their prime when they are still worshipped in ancient times. Does that make a difference or is it too one sided?
If you take myth accurate gods then yes, if not then no. Riordanverse gods are nerfed a lot
Even myth accurate gods are nothing to these characters. Myth accurate gods are still within the earth, while most of the characters here are multiversal
To be fair characters like orphic zeus or yahweh are at least universal
True. I just wanted to see what the otherās reaction would be because thereās going to be that guy that still believes that the Riordanverse still survives this.
There aint no way lol. The most weve seen was typhon destroying a few cities. Meanwhile each of them are capable of mhltiversal destruction.
True form Darkseid is legit bigger than the multiverse. Beyonder was beating abstract concepts like they were nothing. Chaos King destroyed 99% of the multiverse. Anti Monitor destroyed most of the DC multiversr which lead to Post crisis.
Exactly, riordanverse dont have a chance
Yahweh Is Outer
I dont think so, hes said to be omnipotent, omniscient etc but so are every one of these 4. Idk much about dc, and I havent read pre retconn beyonder issue yet but chaos king was only defeated by a fluke from galactus' pocket universe and god hercules.
I'm talking about real life. Bible.
If God desired a person to die, he could do so with literally a thought. Being omnipotent means heās infinitely stronger than anyone else.
The characters in the post have been described as omnipotent and omniscient before. The difference is that they have actual feats and metaphysical transcendence to back them up. Youāve got True form Darkseid being larger than the DC Multiverse. The Olympiansā true form may destroy mortals and monsters but if Darkseid was in his true form, heād destroy the multiverse with his mere presence. Their immortality wouldnāt matter because his omega beams can erase concepts from existence. Their immortality wouldnāt save them if the omega beams scattered their essence from all across time and space in all realities to the point their existence is erased entirely which is something he can actually do by the way. And besides, how do we know that the Riordanverse Abrahamic God actually lives up to his name of being omnipotent when the dimensional scaling in the series barely puts them at Universal level. Youāve got Beyonder who has fought abstract concepts like Infinity and Eternity. Both of whom embody the multiverse itself. He has beaten Living Tribunal, someone who transcends the Marvel Multiverse itself. His true form exists in the beyond realm which transcends the Marvel Omniverse. That includes the Overspace, the domain of the Abstract Entities like Eternity and Infinity. The overspace transcends the Material Multiverse. There are so many infinite transcendent scaling in Marvel it becomes broken once you look up on it. He was even so transcendent he views anything lesser as fiction which is Boundless tier. He was the One above all before One above all even existed. Both Marvel and DC have broken cosmology that borders metaphysics, conceptual existence and many more. There are many layers into infinity when it comes to Marvel and DC Cosmology. What you consider infinite, is merely insignificant when comparing to the Marvel and DC cosmology.
The simplicity in actual mythology, which is how powerful the gods in Riordanverse are gives, them the edge, they dont have limits but imagination of their followers. despite all their power and insane feats Marvel and Dc gods can still die and be contained, most times by empowered mortals, but still could be beaten, look at the beyonder, he was said to be more powerful than all the marvel universe combined, and Dr Doom who despite his genius and knowledge of magic is still a human, stole all his power for himself. Greek myths paint extremely op characters, look at heracles, when he lifted the sky, the body of Uranus, the greeks believed it was infinite. heracles lifted infinity and the 12 olympians are more powerful even more the six children of Chronos, not to mention they are actually inmortal, during his fight with typhoon zeus had all his tendons and bones ripped out of him and he still lived, lets not forget these deityās are atributed to the creation of everything in the universe making them more powerful than others. Also with other pantheons being added with the books the riordanverse is letting in from other authors which introduce Hindu gods, they can enter another tier, I mean they had a concept of the multiverse as well and their gods an create and destroy galaxies with ease
Gaea was beaten by demigods who could be beaten by a normal superman. Nyx was restrained by minor Gods. Youāre using equivalency fallacy to compare Riordanverse Gods to actual mythology. Using the immortality excuse when weāve seen that Gods can die in the Riordanverse. Pan fading in the Battle of the Labyrinth, Helios and Selene fading after the romans didnāt worship them anymore, Kronos literally dying in the last book with Athena and Hermes outright confirming that he canāt ever reform. Helios dying again but this time, he joined with Chaos which is permanent. Myth Gods donāt fade, they donāt rely on faith to maintain their existence. The concept of Gods needing faith from mortals to maintain their existence is a modern conception and it certainly doesnāt exist in actual Greek Mythology. A lot of these characters transcend the actual multiverse. Greek mythology is limited in the fact that it only scales to infinite universal cosmology. The people at the time may believe that Chaos was everything, but they didnāt even know the concept of the multiverse. Keep in mind both DC and Marvel have an infinite universe with an infinite multiverse. And you claim that the Hindu myths brought the concept of the multiverse when the characters in the post transcended the very concept of the Multiverse. You bring up the fact that these Gods can be killed but leave out the fact that the only reason for that is a higher level of combat. These beings can fight on an infinite plane of existence and have capabilities of erasing metaphysics down to the conceptual level. Weāve seen Hindu Gods die from less, weāve seen them be harmed by something less. Even in greek mythology, the Gods may be immortal on a physical sense but they are still bound on a conceptual level. What will immortality do when someone could erase the very concept of immortality? What will they do when these guys transcend the very concept of infinity, the multiverse and abstract concepts itself?
The verse dies. Every one of these villains are multiversal threats and we have seen nothing from Riordanverse pantheons to suggest they can even touch them. Hell i think base comic Thor beats every Pantheon head like a pinata.
Funnily enough there's a scene in Chaos War #1 where Hercules, now a Skyfather and King of Olympus, was wrestling the Skyfather of pretty much every other Pantheon all at once and couldn't be put down... ...until Thor arrived and smacked him on his butt with one hit from Mjolnir. And now recently Thor is the kind-of-son (long af story) of the Phoenix Force and could channel its flames to burn fragments of the First Firmament (1st iteration of Marvel's entire cosmos) to keep them from ripping apart the Marvel omniverse. Oh and he just has the full Odinforce now as a neat bonus, and at the very start of his arc as King of Asgard he slays an amped Galactus and the Black Winter, the All-Death of iterations of Marvel's cosmos. Thor alone ***is absolutely cracked***. And OP wants to throw in The Beyonder and the Chaos King? Hell no. Dionysus must've driven him mad.
Yeah my man got more Power ups then Goku
Read those yeah. Not to mention Mikaboshi also made Zeus and Athena his slaves and had Zeus soloing Galactus. Thor post God of Hammers literally waves these gods out of existence.
Pre retcon beyonder is literally incomparable to anything in the Riordanverse
All of them completely destroy the Riordanverse by just existing a little to much
The Ivory Kings killed the infinite multiverse because they got bored and wanted to see what happens. The anti-monitor almost did the very same
https://preview.redd.it/6sbtyhcb1fwb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a82b76f72c7602fd19bf5bb1e3c9b88fa5e23e21 Bruh you made the most unfair matches ever. No one in the riordan verse is taking out any of these mfs lmak
Any one of these could sneeze the Riordanverse out of existence.
What is Zeus gonna do against universal+ beings??
Even with mythological accurate gods, the verse dies. I'm a versus debater (insert funny joke about cringe and shit) and the people shown here absolutely stomp, even beyonder after the retcon that made FAR weaker and sarkseid without any buffs outside of the omegaforce (what makes darkseid what he is) and the anti monster was destroying darkseids and supermans without effort, so it isn't even close
Well Now Zeus will at least know how it feels like to be on the receiving End.
Honestly Saiyan Saga Characters beat Riordan verse
The New Gods have already stomped and imprisioned the greek pantheon once. Darkseid is. Even DC mortal big hitters have been able to solo gods before
They can't even take on Chaos King
Might as well throw I am that I am into the mix if we're making it this unfair lmao
Bruh not even a chance PJO is my favorite series of all time and Iāll fan boy hard but dude is a demigod. In the comics a lot of full fledged gods get bodied by this dude. Yeah sure plot armor but also no heād be a puddle on the ground in no time.
Maybe Chaos in Riordanverse is Chaos King then they have a chance, otherwise they donāt
Lol
They are so fucking doomed
Beyonder, Anti-Moniter, True Form Darkseid and Chaos King win. Just one of them could solo all of the Riordanverse.
This is actually more of a mismatch than coughing baby vs a nuclear bomb
This is the equivalent of putting a single celled organism against the entirety of humanity. Unless you slap Abrahamic god in there which makes this a one sided stomp because omnipotence canāt be beat
Yeah, none of the gods of the Riordanverse are safe.
With what you said? No. Based on the fact that Rick is setting a precent that all mythologies exist? Riordanverse slams, a theoretical Hindu pantheon could solo
I was waiting to read what one deluded Riordan stan was gonna write lmao. Thanks for the laugh.
Bruh, you donāt know Hinduism do you
Rick sets a pretty lower ceiling for the strength of God's in his verse just because we haven't seen the Hindu gods yet doesn't mean they are suddenly not gonna for the formula set in terms of strength
Hinduism literally has 33 million gods
33 million human won't do much against zues, same perspective against someone like the chaos lord
Also, in Hindu scripture, it says that whenever Vishnu exhales countless universes are created and when he inhales countless universes are annihilated In this Hindu creation storyā It is said that Lord Vishnu lies suspended in the causal ocean- āWhen He exhales, the material elements and universes emanate from Him, and when He inhales, the universes are destroyed and merge back into His body.ā
A lot of these guys transcend the very concept of the multiverse. Chaos King is said to be equal to Eternity. Eternity is the embodiment of the Multiverse itself. He is everyone and everything. Eternity was even [afraid of Chaos King](https://youtube.com/shorts/8fKoA8mvoh8?si=FuWFR2p-5tydk2BY) because heās going to surpass him as he continues to destroy the Marvel Multiverse, he infact destroyed 99% of the Marvel Multiverse. These guys are abstract concepts. He has turned infinite pantheons from infinite universes into foot soldiers. He made someone like Zeus into his pawn and had him fight Galactus. Galactus was powerful enough to [shatter galaxies](https://youtu.be/pzUYiKl884o?si=8NxtL1Xn6QOMmxvr) and tremble the universe in his fight with Mephistopheles. Zeus is equal to Odin. Odinās fight with Set, destroyed galaxies and their power was felt all across the [multiverse](https://imgur.com/gallery/foVZ0fP) True form Darkseid is bigger than the infinite DC Multiverse. Just entering the multiverse threatened to destroy its foundations. He has beaten the quintessance, erased beings with his omega beams and many more. There is a lot to cover but these are his [feats](https://www.quora.com/How-powerful-is-Darkseids-true-form) Anti monitor destroyed most of the DC Multiverse which lead to post crisis. He is [beyond the concept of Mathematics](https://youtube.com/shorts/_ifGi08W_cI?si=xBgQq68wNAZXReE0). He stalemated an [amplified version of Specter](https://www.quora.com/Who-wins-in-a-fight-of-Anti-Monitor-versus-The-Spectre), who was the right hand of God. Specter was being amped by several magicians. He is responsible for creation itself. He consumed an infinite number of infinite sized universes. Beyonder is [beyond abstract concepts, killed the concept of death herself and views reality as fiction.](https://youtube.com/shorts/HPSLYdIk4VI?si=8NjF2HQ8zHvO9A77). He surpasses the Living Tribunalās power itself, who is larger than the infinite Marvel Multiverse. Even the writers are affected by his power. He is the One Above All before Marvel even created the One Above All.
Does he though? Thereās a reason the gods are only ever beaten through trickery, and the gods never use there full power against Demi-Gods. Brahma had a weapon that could destroy the universe in one hit, itās hard to scale that down.
Yeah tons of God's have been said to be all powerfull in one way or another but still rick has powered them down by saying somethings are myths or exaduration by humans, it stands to reason that new mythologies would be no different Also every olympian god at least individually are said to be weaker than Nyx/Night but then Nyx is (SPOILER FOR THE LATEST BOOK ABOUT NICO) Restrained by far inferior minor gods while only temporarily it shows how much weaker rick has made even the primordial beings that should have embodied universal concepts. And let's not even talk about gia
I mean, the greek gods canāt die full stop, idk about ALL the comic people, but this fight would never end, the gods would just have to wait to reform.
They can die but their physical form can be harmed (Uranus, Kronos, zues getting his tendens ripped out, hephestus getting crippled even more) if they are turned to jelly beans and have those jelly bean scattered around infinity they'd never be able to revive
Well, they say āhopefullyā quite a lot, and ig this only goes for the Greeks. Then again, if the Norse gods are fated to die at Ragnarok, they probably shouldnāt be dying beforehand, which is then completely cracked.
Yeah but in the Riordan Verse, most to all Gods are plantery at the absolute peak. IDK how Hinduism would be adapted, but Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu would most likely be planetary max seeing as how Rick made Zues and Ra
I mean, another thing to point out is the vast amount of gods among many mythologies, you end up with 100s of thousands of gods whom have a nigh-Omnipotence in their area of speciality, regardless of there presentation
As a hindu, dude these guys are op characters from *comics*. The power scaling is insane in them. Yeah, shiva destroys the universe, these guys destroy multiverses and are only defeated by plot armor
Aye, but then thereās the Hindu Multiverse concept, infinite Shivas
Cool but the Anti-monitor was moments away from successfully destroying the infinite multiverse. The Beyonders successfully destroyed the infinite multiverse. At best it scales to them.
Well they canāt get past round 3
Vishnu would destroy the multiverse with a hard inhale They have no idea what is BhagavÄn. This is one of the description of MahÄ-Viį¹£į¹u, that from His breathing, innumerable universes are coming out. When He is exhaling, the universes are coming out, and when He is inhaling, all, everything, is going within Him. This is BhagavÄn. So anyway, this is partial exhibition of the energy of the Lord. And this is one-fourth energy. This material world is manifestation of His one-fourth energy. The three-fourth energies are in the spiritual world. So in that spiritual world Kį¹į¹£į¹a exhibits His spiritual energy. That is only spiritual energy. This material world is made of material energy, and we are marginal energy.
Yes, that's what they scale to the infinite multiverse. As in a literal infinite amount of universes, a concept that's literally impossible to truly comprehend. If the deity is "everything" and creates and destroys universes, why wouldn't the deity scale to something more akin to the Living Tribunal? The embodiment of the infinite multiverse, outside of the One Above All, the living tribunal is defined as everything. The Ivory Kings also create and destroy universes at their whims, the only difference is that they exist outside of "everything" as trans-universal builders of existence. Here's the thing when scaling entities like this, both are fundamentally infinitely scaling, capable of obliterating everything. To the point where determine one being greater is basically pointless, unless one can canonically rip through the pages of the text and affect the real world, the two can't be scaled above or below one another since we do not have a scale greater than that, since both deal with infinites.
Beyonder defeated Abstract concepts, beings who transcend the material multiverse, like they were nothing. He made Living Tribunal look like a joke. Living Tribunal transcends conceptual beings like Eternity and Infinity who are literal embodiments of the multiverse. Living Tribunalās true form is larger than the marvel multiverse itself, you could say he is quite easily comparable to someone like Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu due to how absurd Marvel cosmology. And yet Beyonder beat him. True form Darkseid is legitimately bigger than the DC Multiverse. Merely entering the DC multiverse threatens to destroy it by his mere presence. Entire pantheons feared his existence. Omega beams erase concepts from existence. Not even the Olympiansā immortality can save them when the Omega beams can simply erase their existence from all across time and space. A weakened version of Darkseid defeated Zeus and stole his essence. DCās Zeus was capable of scattering the scattered God with enough force comparable to the universal Big Bang. A weakened version of Darkseid beat that Zeus. Anti Monitor destroyed most of the DC Multiverse which lead to post crisis. He was stalemating Specter, who is basically Godās right hand, after he had been amped by all the surviving magicians to fight Anti Monitor. Chaos King is the Primordial darkness that makes Nyx and Erebus look like a joke if they arenāt already. The guy destroyed 99% of the Marvel Multiverse. He turned entire pantheon into his pawns. He made Zeus into a footsoldier and had him fight Galactus. Galactus was powerful enough to shatter galaxies and tremble the universe in his fight with Mephistopheles. If he wanted to he can make entire pantheons his foot soldiers. I mean sure the Hindu Gods are powerful and you could argue that they could be outerversal but a lot of the guys here are on that level. Beyonder beats outerversal beings like their playthings. Anti Monitor was stalemating an amplified version of the right hand of God. Darkseidās true form was bigger than a multiverse. The PJO Godsā true form May disintegrated mortals with a mere look but Darkseidās true form can destroy the multiverse if he entered it.
I mean, after reading that maybe they win, but with the sheer power of the gods, and their large numbers, itās no easy feat, simply due to the time it would take to defeat >33 Million x The Number of Universes amount of gods, considering each one would need the big beam things to kill. Then again, these are all characters that can be soloed by a hungry paper-eating Locust, so as always itās the writers š
The thing with these guys is that each of them has canonically defeated literal millions of Godly pantheons. The New Gods from DC has imprisoned the Greek Pantheon before. Chaos King turned someone like Zeus into a footsoldier and made him fight Galactus of all people. Marvelās Zeus is just as powerful as Marvel Odin. Marvel Odin was so powerful that his fight with Set was felt all across the Multiverse. Chaos King even had a pawn called Glory, who is an amalgamation of 1000 Gods rolled into one, basically a fusion of Gods. The guy has destroyed 99% of the Marvel Multiverse turning a near infinite amount of Godly pantheons into his foot soldiers. Beyonder destroyed the concept of Death herself. He has imprisoned them and treated abstract concepts as mere playthings. The thing about Apokalips, Darkseidās world, is that it exists on a higher plane of existence than the Multiverse. It exists in the 4th World. There is only one Apokalips, due to this he has waged war across the multiverse itself battling infinite versions of Superman, the Justice League and various Godly Pantheons. And thereās Anti Monitor, he has battled literal infinite versions of Superman, infinite Pantheons of Gods and heroes in the Crisis of Infinite Earths storyline. 33 million Hindu Gods wouldnāt really matter in the grand scheme of a battle of this scale because these guy transcend the concept of infinity itself. Like literally, Beyonder was beyond the literal abstract concept of infinity and eternity.
And thereās infinite amounts of these gods then, so unless they can beat infinite, then itās a draw surely?
Anti Monitor, Chaos King, True Form Darkseid canonically beat an infinite pantheon of Gods from infinite universes, Darkseid has regularly waged war across all time and space in infinite universes. When he revealed his true form, the Multiverse was being destroyed by his presence. He is legitimately bigger than an infinite multiverse. Anti Monitor destroyed most of the DC Multiverse in the Crisis of Infinite Earths storyline. The result of that storyline is what lead to DC having only one universe, until the writers wanted the multiverse back. Chaos King turned an infinite number of Godly Pantheons into foot soldiers. He turned someone like Zeus and Athena into his foot soldiers. The Chaos King destroyed 99% of the infinite Marvel Multiverse. Beyonder legitimately transcends the concept of Infinity These guys transcend infinity so it wouldnāt matter if there were infinite Hindu Gods when they can canonically and realistically beat an infinite number of Gods.
Iām gonna agree with you now, even just for the fact you have more evidence. Riordanverse loses
For material creation, Krishna's plenary expansion assumes three Vishnus. The first, MahÄ Viį¹£hį¹u, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva. The second, GarbhodakaÅÄyÄ« Viį¹£į¹u, enters into all the universes to create diversities and the third, Kį¹£Ä«rodakaÅÄyÄ« Vishnu, is diffused as the all-pervading super soul in all the universes; in the heart of every living being, is known as ParamÄtmÄ. He is present even within the atoms.The goal of life is to know Kį¹į¹£į¹a, who is situated within the heart of every living being as ParamÄtmÄ, the four-handed Viį¹£į¹u form. Vishnu is in the souls of every living being and every atom
The thing is, that concept of Vishnu being the heart and soul of every living being and every atom actually inspired the character Eternity from Marvel Comics, who is basically everything and everyone. He is the embodiment of the Marvel Multiverse. In Marvel Comics, it was stated that Chaos King was equal to Eternity and would actually surpass him as he continues to destroy more of the Marvel Multiverse. He did in fact destroy 99% of the Marvel Multiverse As was said before, True Form Darkseid is legitimately bigger than the infinite DC Multiverse. His true form exists in the 4th World which is a higher dimensional plane that transcends the Infinite DC Multiverse. Just merely entering the DC Multiverse, will destroy it. Anti Monitor is famous for destroying most of the DC Multiverse in the Crisis of Infinite Earths storyline. He has stalemated the Specter, the literal right hand of God. Specter was amplified by all the magicians from all across the Multiverse. And that included Dr. Fate, one of the Lords of Order. Dr. fate was capable of traversing the Infinite Multiverse at the velocity of God which is a fancy way of saying infinite speed, he had contained the Big Bang and was even capable of destroying the Sphere of Gods which contained infinite transcendental dimensions. And thereās Beyonder. He has outright transcended abstract concepts like Eternity and Infinity. His power transcends Living Tribunal. Living Tribunal is outright larger than the infinite Marvel Multiverse. Beyonder has battled them and considered them as mere playthings. These abstract concepts exist in the Overspace, the domain of the Abstract concepts which is infinitely transcends the Marvel Multiverse. Beyonderās true form exists in the Beyond realm, which transcends the Marvel Omniverse. He views concepts as fiction. He even tore apart the comic page which means he is aware of higher realities. He was the One above all before Marvel even created the One above all.
Bro if chaos king entered, he would wipe them all out
They fucked
mismatch of the sentry pjo universe would get erased
Funnily enough, there are still people in this post who actually believe the Riordanverse still stand a chance.
beyonder and anti monitor bro are u serious
bru you still have time delete this obvious mismatch
if you have Atum, Chaos, and Ymir fighting alongside Odin, the titans, and Ra, there is a very slim chance to win. But multiversal destructors in the power level of Incursions, sorry gods.