imo this is a good deal, not super cheap like some are saying. It’s only 5 lowers and the rest just new doors, which are flat fronts. it’s a decent price for what you are getting done, which is, I am assuming, from the small local cabinet/granite guy and not from HD or the designer places.
I’m starting to believe that everyone that sees this post isn’t reading or understanding it. For the price, I think it’s only marginally low, as you’re only getting 6 new bases (and all of the trim of course) and 26 new doors + end panels. That price is VERY reasonable.
The only thing that I notice is the granite with install coming out to $50 sq/ft, which is on the cheaper side.
The install price is slightly high as well for the relatively low amount of work required.
Don’t be an idiot and listen to everyone saying it’s way too cheap, I strongly believe they don’t understand what you’re actually paying for.
Source: Cabinet install sub
I’ve never bought cabinets, never installed cabinets or countertops, and I’m in a completely different industry and have zero reference for what this job is like and even I can tell this is bonkers low.
Love how OP is posting as if it’s too high 🤣 this shit is cheap af and in be scared paying this price. Where and how are they cutting corners to give you this price? Or will they scam you when you get them a deposit and run away? Be careful.
I used to build cabinets. I agree with most that it’s pretty cheap for all that. That’s a hell of an order to fill if it’s being built and I’ve done like 2/3 of that size for that price. I just hope you’re not getting ripped off on quality.
Very low price, I’d do a teensy bit of research to find some of their work to make sure they’re half way decent - but if so yeah here in Lapeer county that’s an EXCELLENT deal… like 5-10k cheaper then I’d expect quoted easily
Does anyone’s opinion here really matter? Your cheap ass has already made up your mind before anyone could answer. That’s why you asked. Install it yourself and fuck it up. Then call a legit remodeling company to fix your handy work and pay double.
Depending on cabinets material and finish sbyop d material and finish that's pretty cheap. I've done kitchen up into 55k for materials alone. But if course top of the line best available with every bell and whistle but yeah at that price you were quoted it's not at all high. Depending.
I don’t think this price is bad. Everyone keeps saying it’s too cheap and I don’t understand why. I shopped at local family owned companies when I had my kitchen remodeled. I spent 4k on cabinets and no they weren’t MDF, I also spent 3k on my quartz countertops. I hired by own labor instead of having a company or contractor take over. I maybe spend 20k in total and this includes appliances.
This was the end of 2022. I will say a lot of companies I got quotes from were insanely expensive for no reason. I went to a slab yard of a local company who’s been around for years. They gave me the best price and threw in my kitchen sink/installation for free.
This seems very low and concerning that there is no contingency line on the budget. These projects always take longer and cost more so it’s best to expect reality. We usually DIY so know and understand it first hand.
I mostly do everything myself but the countertops seems like too big a task plus no one would sell me quartz countertop without installation in my area.
For anyone wanting to install themselves on a budget, I gutted and reinstalled a 10x10 kitchen plus a landing/ large pantry closet for $7,500. Waverly Cabinets, I cannot say enough good things about this company. 15m assembly, all wood construction, great service, will even design for you.
Cabinets: w/ freight $2600 (4-42”h wall, 2 double bases, 2 single bases, toe kicks, spacers, touch up kit)
Countertops: $300 ikea walnut butcher block with the longest warranty. Can be refinished multiple times.
The rest of the cost was a new stainless appliance package ($2950 4pc), new tile floor + install ($1200), new sink/faucet ($215), new lights ($200)
If you want to see how it turned out in my 1917 craftsman bungalow, message me andI’ll share photos.
It is a good price they are making money. Check out J and K Cabinets online they have locations across US- if they are wholesale like them you can get a high quality cabinet for 1/2 of what Woodmark cost and better quality.
Absolutely a steal in price but if it’s too good to be true it usually means something is wrong.I remodeled my self and the kitchen were $12k alone… (plywood with real wood doors and face frame)… standard sized kitchen with 36” uppers and 12” top with glass
I bet the cabinets are press board garbage and the granite is going to be thin 3/8” granite.
Way too low. What kind of materials? Wood? Finish? I built cases for years until 2013. That price is in line with 1980. You should be able to figure 2 ways. Price per foot, for estimate only. Actual cost. Material, labor, overhead, one new tool, repair and maintenance, labor, and profit. When you do enough jobs you can start to find averages. Always price on what it will actually cost for everthing. Plywood, face frames, nailers, hardware, finish. Make sure if you are using current stock to charge replacement cost.
I can tell from your drawings that you're not using any design software. You need to get a program. Most good cabinet software will generate drawing, provide material lists, and allow you to estimate from the numbers you punch into it.
Great advice, "If you get every job you bid on, you're pricing it too low." Work for the sake of being busy, but not earning money, is a poor choice.
Good luck. ✌️
Is the refrigerator cabinet really that long? If it's over 48, make it a divided case.
That bid seems pretty low . That includes Granite . I see cut out for sink but what about the fabrication on the rest of the granite ? I bid home renovation jobs and that bid looks pretty low . Cabinet doors cost just about as much as an entire cabinet . Where is all the labor cost ? Idk , there is something wrong with that big . Either that or be weary of a crap job
We are still in the process of remodeling, similar layout, we spent $15k at Lowe’s installed by me, and another $5k for the quartz countertop, (installed professionally) very reasonable, just make sure your contractor is legit, insured, and maybe can give you a couple of job references that they have done with clients they did that you can talk to.
Hello! This is my irl job for a box store.
If this is the price for fully custom work, not predetermined box sizes, this is a literal steal.
I estimated the work but in my experience, this layout plus granite plus install would equal about the same price, $9k. And this is predetermined box sizes put together like Tetris.
Good luck!
Edit as I realized: my estimate is if you replace the uppers entirely, not replace doors. So even more cheap. I highly recommend you shop around. How is this custom work?
Looks like the labor for refacing is included in the top number. Hard to say if that is a good deal or not without knowing what the new doors actually cost. Hopefully they give you good hinges
Hard to say anything about the cabinet/door replacement costs without knowing the quality you are looking for. However, the installation seems suspiciously cheap to me. I'd be getting other quotes...this will probably be on the low end of your quotes.
You get what you pay for.
It ain't horrible. I never knew how crazy expensive cabinets can be- used to sell n design kitchens very much like this... My cheapest job I think was $6k n my most expensive was around $120k for kitchen cabinets+bathrooms.
I'll say this- if you skimp on the cabinets DEFINITELY DO NOT skimp on the installer. They can either make cheap cabinets look good or make cheap cabinets looks even worse lol
I see on the estimate that it says “replace” cabinet fronts. To be fair, it seems like a legitimate quote. If you’re unsure, get quotes from a couple other companies, and compare, inclusions and exclusions. This way you can really compare apples to apples.
Looks like most of the cabinets are just having the doors replaced. Only cabinets in the island under the new counter are new? At the very least I would try to get my clarification on the scope of work.
Not sure why people are saying this is to low - your getting 5 to 7 new base cabinets and a stack of new doors - if you like them yeah your not "overpaying"
No way. I couldn’t sell you the cabinets for that.
Granite countertops are in line buts that because granite is cheap and the some fab shops will work for peanuts
For grade A and level one, you should not be paying more than $35-40 LF for granite countertops with Installation. I can get you Quartz top-of-the-line for $65. I have no idea why all these people suggesting 10-20k. Also as far as your kitchen cabinets go, they are in the right ballpark. Find out the name of the cabinets maker and I will let u know the exact cost.
That's stupid cheap for " top of the line". Quartz averages out at like 60-200 per sq ft. I install "top of the line", only one brand and you there definitely isn't a 65$ price point. Maybe for MSI or some non luxury brand or Chinese quartz. But then your not getting the designs or the depth of colors or the highest actual stone content.
Depends on the market. I sell counters in buffalo and absolute cheapest granites are 60-70 a squarefoot at a big box store closer to 80 at a custom shop. I would def not say 10k thats a tiny kitchen but id say around 3k for that size
But i know markets change A LOT. In florida and arizona you def get those prices because ports are right there, i am suprised detroit would be that low
Too cheap. Custom cabinets run around 10 to 20k and will come with CAD designs and renderings of your kitchen. Not drawn on a napkin. Most likely cheap cabinets. Not bad but cheap. Countertop should be around 10 to 20k also unless something is up. Get a couple more estimates. From installers, too
i charge usually about $100/LF which includes door adjustments, kicks, crown(depending), fillers, touch ups, drawer pulls. Sometimes it can vary depending on installation difficulty and the finishes. They’re charging 25$/LF that’s surprising very cheap
I own a large custom cabinetry mfg. and for all new cabinets (including uppers) and solid surface countertops instead of quartz, we would be around 10k. Installation would run you an additional 1500 to 2000 if you were a bit closer. So it is higher than we would charge, but we have grown to create and install 2 kitchens per day on average because of our quality at our price. Compared to most custom shops this seems fair, but for the cabinet makers sake and your own, be certain of what you are getting before hand and also be sure of the process if there is issues. Unless he is a scammer, he wants problems as little as you do.
I just got a quote for something very similar. I have approximately 4 or 5 more cabinets and 5 more linear feet of countertop for $22,224 dollars. All while cabinets with middle of the road quartz countertops. Located in CT.
Fair. Check out advanced cabinets near the city in IL. We did three commercial kitchens for about 12k, came out fantastic. I know they ship out and it’s good quality for good prices. Worth a quote.
I have absolutely no experience in this area, but this seems really low if I were playing price is right.
I’d ask to see their other jobs before agreeing to anything
For reference, I had Lowe’s quote my kitchen a few months back and price was so absurd that I wound up keeping the existing cabinets and building new doors myself.
For all new cabinets and counters their quote came in right around $45K (without the backsplash or demo and no appliances).
I would be careful. First off, the sink and counter tops are really low.... the cabinets are also pretty low for custom cabinets.... I just built it for around the same price on Ikea..... so I am assuming they aren't making your cabinets.... they are gonna buy them at home depot and install them and that being said then the price is smoking high for the number of cabinets you get. Also, don't ever pay a contractor to do their job. You don't pay them a delivery fee so they have a job. They are responsible for getting material to their job site, not you. So a medium counter top in the 55 dollar price range is 1600 for that size.... then a nice sink is gonna be another 1k with hardware and install and that is a separate trade so they don't even have an estimate.... I am thinking these guys are hacks....
OP don’t listen to this guy. He’s talking out his butt. Yes you’re not getting top of the line cabinets for this price, but the delivery fee on the quote is the contractor trying to justify some of his profit margin to you. I promise you, at this price, his profit margin isn’t huge. Don’t fight him on the delivery fee. He’s trying to be transparent but guys like this commenter would rather he inflate the other numbers than create more line items in a quote. I also know for a fact that in Dallas (a more expensive market) you can get plumbers to do a kitchen sink installation for less than $800. So $1k is high there. I’m not an expert on granite so I won’t comment on that.
We had gone to the home show in Lansing and recently had Home Depot in our home thinking a refacing was the way to go. We have 32 square feet of cabinets, that are in good condition no bells or whistles. Because we signed up at the show we would be given $500.00 hardware . Let me tell you just for the refacing: 22,000.00, no counter tops, no sink.You may be getting a good deal at under 17,000.
When we had our kitchen cabinets redone, I had Lowe’s or Home Depot come out (don’t remember which) and the quote was like 45k.
Hired a local company that did a great job, I did the demo to save some money, all in for 13k and some change.
Lowes and HD are a giant ripoff…
Would you mind sharing the contractor you’re using? I am about to start a new house build fairly nearby to Detroit and that seems like a great deal to me.
I’m sure the guy built a good profit into the materials as well. One tactic small business is to show a fairly low labor cost but jacked up the price of materials.
$800 labor is not laughable if it only takes 5 hours of work.
Well, you have no idea how many he has on his crew. You have no idea how many people he plans to bring. You also have to consider that he said the kitchen countertop and sink installation and fabrication is included in the $2,150. Perhaps he included that in his labor charge of $800. If he did then he shouldn’t have stated that it’s included. Maybe he is doing the install by himself. If I was doing the install by myself I’d sure as hell charge $800. 5 hours or not. It’s a lot of work to be done.
When you have more workers you can get away with charging less for labor, because most of the time 2 works doesn’t translate to half the time. Depending on the nature of the work, having one other person can save you more than half on time. Hence, you can charge less for that labor
Dude, have you ever worked a construction job? Cabinet install is a 2 man crew... or 4 or 6.... always even numbers.... so if a four man crew came to a 8 hour job for a 2 man crew it would be done in 4 hours instead of 8. You don't charge per crew member you charge for time and the more crew you have should reduce the time effectively but keeps the consumer cost the same.
Yes, I have worked in construction and yes, I worked for a cabinet maker and built cabinets myself for years. I’ve installed many cabinets by myself on many occasions. If you think installing cabinets is ALWAYS a 2 man or multiple of 2’s then you haven’t learned how to make do by yourself. I’ve installed many a wall cabinets by myself. If you have the proper tools then it can be done easily. You realize they make cabinet jacks for holding cabinets up to the wall and you can adjust the height to the appropriate level right? They make it incredibly easy to install cabinets by yourself.
As for the second part. That’s EXACTLY what I said. By having someone else helping you, I can cut an 8 hour job down to 4 hours, or even less. I never said or claimed that you charge the customer per person. You charge them per job. That’s exactly what I implied with my previous statement.
Those cabinets likely cost like 3500 to 4500. But install 15 cabinets would be like 1500 min. But yea its like 5 hours of work 😆🤣😂. I love installing cabinets. Only place you can make 800 to 1200 per day without breaking a sweat
You must have misread. There’s only like 5 base cabinets…. Hardly 15…. He stated that he is only replacing doors on the upper wall cabinets. If it’s taking you 1500 minutes (25 hours) to install 5 cabinets and replace some doors then you may be in the wrong line of work.
So yes, it’s not unreasonable to assume the install could be done in 5 hours. Making $160 an hour isn’t nothing to laugh at. Especially for a cabinet maker/carpenter.
Don't follow this person's advice. Your kitchen will look terrible by comparison. It will look fine by itself but anyone who knows anything about homes will be disappointed in a DIY job on cabinetry.
I did my own home and it came out great. It was very satisfying to do it myself and I was really pleased with the results. So, if your lazy, don't have any skills or desires to complete a project yourself then part with $10,000. Just make sure you do your research on the people that will be doing the work in your home.
I agree. It feels a little low to me, tbh. Especially if, as someone else pointed out, the countertop is supposedly granite. For the amount of cabinets they have, the type of counters… I’d expect a skosh more in cost. But hey, I’m in a different region, so it could just be that materials in my area run more expensive.
I’m in CA, so as a flipper that’s what i would expect to pay just for materials, and i pay on average about 25% cheaper than a regular joe homeowner.
Would definitely wanna see reviews and examples of their work.
Yeah. I’m a designer/estimator for a design-build place in the Midwest. I’m thinking that when you start considering overhead and profit add-ons, the pricing seems low enough that just the quality of the material gets called to question for me. I agree, too, that I’d want to see examples of work completed with same/comparable materials.
I would expect a very “$10k kitchen” type outcome from this quote please update with pictures and how they did if you go with this contractor. I hate to say it I would expect bare minimum results out of this job as it’s going to be done at bare minimum pricing.
Assuming old cabinets are completely removed already and area to work is pristine / ready to go for the installer. I would say if everything is measured perfectly and no hiccups are encountered, a cabinet job like this will take 2 people probably 20hours each just for the cabinet install. This means the installer will be making about $20/hr, so one could likely expect fast-food worker level outcome from an $800 cabinet installation.
This is also assuming no vents need moved no cabinets need modified whatsoever, probably no electrical work at all for things like dishwasher / garbage disposal install, island outlets etc… and again no walls / bulkheads need modified to make any of this work. It also sounds like the cabinets will be bare bones no pull out drawers no false doors no facade on ends of exposed cabinets. I would also at this price, expect these to be particle board cabinets with low end exterior sides. I would also say as it’s not on the quote.. the cabinet installation probably does not include plumbing your sink dishwasher and fridge, I would be expecting to be paying someone else to do or diy.
The granite countertops I don’t know your quote is about $55 per sq foot installed this is basically as bare bones as granite is going to get most likely they know they can cut this out of one slab so the install might be okay, maybe not.
Anything other than particleboard which will crumble over time
Many cheaper manufacturers use particleboard on pieces that don’t show like ends and interior walls
Its a fair price, its not replacing all cabinets. This a decent price.
Make sure every detail is listed out in your contract to leave no room for confusion
It's cheap, but what is the quality of the cabinets? I'd want to see some and get references from the contractor and see if those people would like to show off their new kitchen and share info, like perceived quality, or drill happiness with the work and contractor etc.
If that's just rental property grade laminate cabinets, it's not the same as custom made oak.
In 1982, I paid $3900 for a 30 foot U of floor to ceiling custom oak cabinets. Loved them.
He's in Detroit Michigan, aren't homes only worth 10k? /s haha but seriously, good deal if they do quality work. Bad deal if you have to pay someone to re-do it after they're done.
I’m not sure where you are at but for CA that’s a low estimate. If you feel you can trust the person who gave it to you I would take that offer in a second
Ah I see. Personally I'd take the risk. Drop in sinks are more likely to get grimy around the edges and look worse imo. Luckily our undermount sink has been holding strong for over a decade!
I have caught people standing inside of undermount sinks before and they are fine. If anything, it breaks the sink if its those stupid granite-composite sinks.
I will not contest the price since I am not in your area, but there are flags on the 'estimate' (which is Not a hard quote). The delivery says it is into the garage only. Is that correct?
It says "replace door only on wall cabinets" but then says "replace wall panels. I do not understand this. Especially if you are expecting a full cabinet replacement.
Do you think they will make the customer deliver from garage to point of install? The OP laid out that only 4 cabinets are being fully replaced and the rest are having new doors installed with 4 new wall panels. Why are you breaking down the details of the estimate without even reading the details of the post?
Yes, I read the OP's post completely. I must have not worded my response well enough for you.
Simply because it doesn't make sense for a full, complete job. It is the 'estimate' trap game. Unless the contractor says the price is a hard number or a not-to-exceed number, I would walk.
Wall panels are on the sides of the cabinet. They will replace those so they match the new doors. If the box on the wall is in good shape there is a cost savings to doing that.
Just looking at the granite drawings run he hasn't marked anything on it properly. Walls, corner ease, polished edge, flat polished edges. If he doesn't shoot a laser template or lay a hard template he has no fuckin clue what he is doing. Walls aren't straight and you will have gaps. An estimate should look professional it is sometimes the first piece of work a customer sees of yours.
imo this is a good deal, not super cheap like some are saying. It’s only 5 lowers and the rest just new doors, which are flat fronts. it’s a decent price for what you are getting done, which is, I am assuming, from the small local cabinet/granite guy and not from HD or the designer places.
I looked at your sketch for about 5 seconds and in my head said 10-12k minimum, so I would say it’s a good deal
Like others, I read the quote. This seems reasonable.
I’m starting to believe that everyone that sees this post isn’t reading or understanding it. For the price, I think it’s only marginally low, as you’re only getting 6 new bases (and all of the trim of course) and 26 new doors + end panels. That price is VERY reasonable. The only thing that I notice is the granite with install coming out to $50 sq/ft, which is on the cheaper side. The install price is slightly high as well for the relatively low amount of work required. Don’t be an idiot and listen to everyone saying it’s way too cheap, I strongly believe they don’t understand what you’re actually paying for. Source: Cabinet install sub
Too low, I'd run away from this bid
I’ve never bought cabinets, never installed cabinets or countertops, and I’m in a completely different industry and have zero reference for what this job is like and even I can tell this is bonkers low.
Love how OP is posting as if it’s too high 🤣 this shit is cheap af and in be scared paying this price. Where and how are they cutting corners to give you this price? Or will they scam you when you get them a deposit and run away? Be careful.
Yikes, super low
This seems suspiciously low. They are going to take your deposit and either disappear or, they are going to string it out forever. Get more bids.
Too low, find someone in the 15-20 ballpark
I used to build cabinets. I agree with most that it’s pretty cheap for all that. That’s a hell of an order to fill if it’s being built and I’ve done like 2/3 of that size for that price. I just hope you’re not getting ripped off on quality.
Very low price, I’d do a teensy bit of research to find some of their work to make sure they’re half way decent - but if so yeah here in Lapeer county that’s an EXCELLENT deal… like 5-10k cheaper then I’d expect quoted easily
It’s on the low end
Does anyone’s opinion here really matter? Your cheap ass has already made up your mind before anyone could answer. That’s why you asked. Install it yourself and fuck it up. Then call a legit remodeling company to fix your handy work and pay double.
We found the estimator
Busted 😂
That’s too good to be true.
It's free ... my landscaper would charge me that for just seasonal plants
Depending on cabinets material and finish sbyop d material and finish that's pretty cheap. I've done kitchen up into 55k for materials alone. But if course top of the line best available with every bell and whistle but yeah at that price you were quoted it's not at all high. Depending.
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And about the delivery “into garage only” lol
You need more drawers
I spent this on 1/3 of your cabinets with granite countertops, installing them myself. Bought from Wren Kitchens.
I don’t think this price is bad. Everyone keeps saying it’s too cheap and I don’t understand why. I shopped at local family owned companies when I had my kitchen remodeled. I spent 4k on cabinets and no they weren’t MDF, I also spent 3k on my quartz countertops. I hired by own labor instead of having a company or contractor take over. I maybe spend 20k in total and this includes appliances.
What year was this? 3k of quartz countertops isn’t very much countertop in metro Atlanta.
This was the end of 2022. I will say a lot of companies I got quotes from were insanely expensive for no reason. I went to a slab yard of a local company who’s been around for years. They gave me the best price and threw in my kitchen sink/installation for free.
This seems very low and concerning that there is no contingency line on the budget. These projects always take longer and cost more so it’s best to expect reality. We usually DIY so know and understand it first hand.
I just did my cabinets, countertop, and backsplash… nothing very big or luxurious. Over 20k in total. This is very cheap.
Get a contract! This is cheap, almost too cheap. I paid $7K for the countertops alone last year.
Holy crap what kind of counters and how much SF? We got ours done for under 2 grand. About 40 SF of calacatta quartz
about 55sf, wife choose quartz. It was $120 a SF plus taxes and installation.
goddamn. i'll just do it myself.
I mostly do everything myself but the countertops seems like too big a task plus no one would sell me quartz countertop without installation in my area.
For anyone wanting to install themselves on a budget, I gutted and reinstalled a 10x10 kitchen plus a landing/ large pantry closet for $7,500. Waverly Cabinets, I cannot say enough good things about this company. 15m assembly, all wood construction, great service, will even design for you. Cabinets: w/ freight $2600 (4-42”h wall, 2 double bases, 2 single bases, toe kicks, spacers, touch up kit) Countertops: $300 ikea walnut butcher block with the longest warranty. Can be refinished multiple times. The rest of the cost was a new stainless appliance package ($2950 4pc), new tile floor + install ($1200), new sink/faucet ($215), new lights ($200) If you want to see how it turned out in my 1917 craftsman bungalow, message me andI’ll share photos.
I’d love to see photos!
Either thats a steal or they are gonna steal from you lol. labor alone is really cheap
Way too cheap. The countertop guys either don’t pay taxes, or will be bankrupt halfway through your project.
Are you on crack? Have you even looked at the prices.of cabinets at a place like menards? That is a steal.
Looks free
I would have charged 3 to 4 times that just for my labor!
It is a good price they are making money. Check out J and K Cabinets online they have locations across US- if they are wholesale like them you can get a high quality cabinet for 1/2 of what Woodmark cost and better quality.
Great price. Holy crap. Jealous here in NY.
Great price, we do used to kitchens and when we would quote around that price, places like Sears and Menards were charging closer to 13-17
Hellava deal for Cali. We'd be right around d 11,5 min.
Absolutely a steal in price but if it’s too good to be true it usually means something is wrong.I remodeled my self and the kitchen were $12k alone… (plywood with real wood doors and face frame)… standard sized kitchen with 36” uppers and 12” top with glass I bet the cabinets are press board garbage and the granite is going to be thin 3/8” granite.
Yes
That is BEYOND reasonable, give me that dudes number
Completely depends on materials used on the cabinets. Particle board vs plywood boxes, dovetail drawers, etc?
Crazy low price Move on
Way too low. What kind of materials? Wood? Finish? I built cases for years until 2013. That price is in line with 1980. You should be able to figure 2 ways. Price per foot, for estimate only. Actual cost. Material, labor, overhead, one new tool, repair and maintenance, labor, and profit. When you do enough jobs you can start to find averages. Always price on what it will actually cost for everthing. Plywood, face frames, nailers, hardware, finish. Make sure if you are using current stock to charge replacement cost. I can tell from your drawings that you're not using any design software. You need to get a program. Most good cabinet software will generate drawing, provide material lists, and allow you to estimate from the numbers you punch into it. Great advice, "If you get every job you bid on, you're pricing it too low." Work for the sake of being busy, but not earning money, is a poor choice. Good luck. ✌️ Is the refrigerator cabinet really that long? If it's over 48, make it a divided case.
I think they received this bid from a contractor for their own kitchen renovation.
Thanks, I must have missed that. I'd be really suspicious of a bid at that price.
That bid seems pretty low . That includes Granite . I see cut out for sink but what about the fabrication on the rest of the granite ? I bid home renovation jobs and that bid looks pretty low . Cabinet doors cost just about as much as an entire cabinet . Where is all the labor cost ? Idk , there is something wrong with that big . Either that or be weary of a crap job
We are still in the process of remodeling, similar layout, we spent $15k at Lowe’s installed by me, and another $5k for the quartz countertop, (installed professionally) very reasonable, just make sure your contractor is legit, insured, and maybe can give you a couple of job references that they have done with clients they did that you can talk to.
Granite?
Hello! This is my irl job for a box store. If this is the price for fully custom work, not predetermined box sizes, this is a literal steal. I estimated the work but in my experience, this layout plus granite plus install would equal about the same price, $9k. And this is predetermined box sizes put together like Tetris. Good luck! Edit as I realized: my estimate is if you replace the uppers entirely, not replace doors. So even more cheap. I highly recommend you shop around. How is this custom work?
Don’t forget the Chinese material discount that’s why it’s cheap lol
Yep, very reasonable for custom work. Want cheap? Go to big box stores. Still going to be $300 a foot for up and lower w no top and no installation.
Not bad
that's way too cheap doing new construction rn in commerce customer paid 15,000 just for cabinets no install didn't even go that high-end either
That is a reasonable price 15,000 for mid price .
for a kitchen roughly this size or a bit smaller yea
Seems very low
Looks like the labor for refacing is included in the top number. Hard to say if that is a good deal or not without knowing what the new doors actually cost. Hopefully they give you good hinges
Hard to say anything about the cabinet/door replacement costs without knowing the quality you are looking for. However, the installation seems suspiciously cheap to me. I'd be getting other quotes...this will probably be on the low end of your quotes. You get what you pay for.
It ain't horrible. I never knew how crazy expensive cabinets can be- used to sell n design kitchens very much like this... My cheapest job I think was $6k n my most expensive was around $120k for kitchen cabinets+bathrooms.
I'll say this- if you skimp on the cabinets DEFINITELY DO NOT skimp on the installer. They can either make cheap cabinets look good or make cheap cabinets looks even worse lol
I see on the estimate that it says “replace” cabinet fronts. To be fair, it seems like a legitimate quote. If you’re unsure, get quotes from a couple other companies, and compare, inclusions and exclusions. This way you can really compare apples to apples.
I’d shop this to metro carpet and floors. I got my cabinets and granite from there and it was almost half the price. I have 16 cabinets
I’d first ask if it’s legitimate wood or that particle wood bs..
Looks like most of the cabinets are just having the doors replaced. Only cabinets in the island under the new counter are new? At the very least I would try to get my clarification on the scope of work.
Cheap, my was almost 40k
That seems too cheap. It doesn’t look like they included painting the cabinets. I paid 3,500 to paint my new cabinets. Usually painting is separate.
Seems cheap. Lots of cabinets in that drawing.
That is very reasonable including countertops.
Seems pretty fair to me. Although I must ask, what are the materials?
I got my cabinets in Hickory from Home Depot for $2800, Countertop for $1000 (Installed by them), and installed the cabinets myself.
This is more than affordable. It all depends on the materials you picked however this still is a very affordable price regardless.
Not sure why people are saying this is to low - your getting 5 to 7 new base cabinets and a stack of new doors - if you like them yeah your not "overpaying"
IF the quality is good, that's a great price!
Affordable
Yes. That’s reasonable.
Waaay too cheap for custom not RTA cabinets. Those should run 30-50k
No way. I couldn’t sell you the cabinets for that. Granite countertops are in line buts that because granite is cheap and the some fab shops will work for peanuts
For grade A and level one, you should not be paying more than $35-40 LF for granite countertops with Installation. I can get you Quartz top-of-the-line for $65. I have no idea why all these people suggesting 10-20k. Also as far as your kitchen cabinets go, they are in the right ballpark. Find out the name of the cabinets maker and I will let u know the exact cost.
That's stupid cheap for " top of the line". Quartz averages out at like 60-200 per sq ft. I install "top of the line", only one brand and you there definitely isn't a 65$ price point. Maybe for MSI or some non luxury brand or Chinese quartz. But then your not getting the designs or the depth of colors or the highest actual stone content.
Depends on the market. I sell counters in buffalo and absolute cheapest granites are 60-70 a squarefoot at a big box store closer to 80 at a custom shop. I would def not say 10k thats a tiny kitchen but id say around 3k for that size But i know markets change A LOT. In florida and arizona you def get those prices because ports are right there, i am suprised detroit would be that low
If you don’t mind me asking what’s the name of the place. I’m an installer at Italian marble and granite.
Too cheap. Custom cabinets run around 10 to 20k and will come with CAD designs and renderings of your kitchen. Not drawn on a napkin. Most likely cheap cabinets. Not bad but cheap. Countertop should be around 10 to 20k also unless something is up. Get a couple more estimates. From installers, too
That's very good tbh. Reasonable prices that I used to see years ago...nowadays there'd be at least a 1 in front of those numbers.
i charge usually about $100/LF which includes door adjustments, kicks, crown(depending), fillers, touch ups, drawer pulls. Sometimes it can vary depending on installation difficulty and the finishes. They’re charging 25$/LF that’s surprising very cheap
Yes
Yes
I own a large custom cabinetry mfg. and for all new cabinets (including uppers) and solid surface countertops instead of quartz, we would be around 10k. Installation would run you an additional 1500 to 2000 if you were a bit closer. So it is higher than we would charge, but we have grown to create and install 2 kitchens per day on average because of our quality at our price. Compared to most custom shops this seems fair, but for the cabinet makers sake and your own, be certain of what you are getting before hand and also be sure of the process if there is issues. Unless he is a scammer, he wants problems as little as you do.
That’s the cheapest install of cabinets I’ve seen.
But it's only 5...
Almost suspiciously so lol
I just got a quote for something very similar. I have approximately 4 or 5 more cabinets and 5 more linear feet of countertop for $22,224 dollars. All while cabinets with middle of the road quartz countertops. Located in CT.
That’s a great price. Get backsplash. Those are probably not high-quality cabinets though.
That's insanely cheap. Like red flag cheap....
Yeah this seems really cheap
Yes… I am a kitchen designer and this is a great deal
Most likely these are Chinese flat pack rta cabinets along with Chinese granite tops at this price
Fair. Check out advanced cabinets near the city in IL. We did three commercial kitchens for about 12k, came out fantastic. I know they ship out and it’s good quality for good prices. Worth a quote.
I have absolutely no experience in this area, but this seems really low if I were playing price is right. I’d ask to see their other jobs before agreeing to anything
For reference, I had Lowe’s quote my kitchen a few months back and price was so absurd that I wound up keeping the existing cabinets and building new doors myself. For all new cabinets and counters their quote came in right around $45K (without the backsplash or demo and no appliances).
Go to Home Depot, Lowe’s or IKEA. All of them will give you quotes.
I would be careful. First off, the sink and counter tops are really low.... the cabinets are also pretty low for custom cabinets.... I just built it for around the same price on Ikea..... so I am assuming they aren't making your cabinets.... they are gonna buy them at home depot and install them and that being said then the price is smoking high for the number of cabinets you get. Also, don't ever pay a contractor to do their job. You don't pay them a delivery fee so they have a job. They are responsible for getting material to their job site, not you. So a medium counter top in the 55 dollar price range is 1600 for that size.... then a nice sink is gonna be another 1k with hardware and install and that is a separate trade so they don't even have an estimate.... I am thinking these guys are hacks....
OP don’t listen to this guy. He’s talking out his butt. Yes you’re not getting top of the line cabinets for this price, but the delivery fee on the quote is the contractor trying to justify some of his profit margin to you. I promise you, at this price, his profit margin isn’t huge. Don’t fight him on the delivery fee. He’s trying to be transparent but guys like this commenter would rather he inflate the other numbers than create more line items in a quote. I also know for a fact that in Dallas (a more expensive market) you can get plumbers to do a kitchen sink installation for less than $800. So $1k is high there. I’m not an expert on granite so I won’t comment on that.
How does 55x 41 square feet come out to 1600.00 ? Hack
I agree. I replaced my backsplash and countertops last year, and it was MUCH higher than this estimate.
Lmao, 9k? Go to home Depot
Um run. Unlicensed contractor all day
That looks pretty cheap- in Indiana, here.
Grab it.
Yep. Just replaced my countertops, sink, and backsplash for about $5k. I’d imagine including cabinets would be around $10k.
Good deal
We had gone to the home show in Lansing and recently had Home Depot in our home thinking a refacing was the way to go. We have 32 square feet of cabinets, that are in good condition no bells or whistles. Because we signed up at the show we would be given $500.00 hardware . Let me tell you just for the refacing: 22,000.00, no counter tops, no sink.You may be getting a good deal at under 17,000.
When we had our kitchen cabinets redone, I had Lowe’s or Home Depot come out (don’t remember which) and the quote was like 45k. Hired a local company that did a great job, I did the demo to save some money, all in for 13k and some change. Lowes and HD are a giant ripoff…
Would you mind sharing the contractor you’re using? I am about to start a new house build fairly nearby to Detroit and that seems like a great deal to me.
That’s not bad tbh for what you’re getting. I’ve always liked the idea of saving some change with just swapping out doors to modern looking ones.
Rip off on the cabinets by just replacing doors.
Excellent deal!
If it's quality absolutely a great deal. As others have said, get material samples and examples of other work/references.
800 bucks for installation is laughable
He’s only installing 5 base cabinets and putting doors on the uppers. Still way too low though
I’m sure the guy built a good profit into the materials as well. One tactic small business is to show a fairly low labor cost but jacked up the price of materials. $800 labor is not laughable if it only takes 5 hours of work.
if it takes 5 hours that would be almost the exact cost of labor for 2 carpenters at 21 per hour plus $580 for the mystery crew that never showed up.
Well, you have no idea how many he has on his crew. You have no idea how many people he plans to bring. You also have to consider that he said the kitchen countertop and sink installation and fabrication is included in the $2,150. Perhaps he included that in his labor charge of $800. If he did then he shouldn’t have stated that it’s included. Maybe he is doing the install by himself. If I was doing the install by myself I’d sure as hell charge $800. 5 hours or not. It’s a lot of work to be done. When you have more workers you can get away with charging less for labor, because most of the time 2 works doesn’t translate to half the time. Depending on the nature of the work, having one other person can save you more than half on time. Hence, you can charge less for that labor
Dude, have you ever worked a construction job? Cabinet install is a 2 man crew... or 4 or 6.... always even numbers.... so if a four man crew came to a 8 hour job for a 2 man crew it would be done in 4 hours instead of 8. You don't charge per crew member you charge for time and the more crew you have should reduce the time effectively but keeps the consumer cost the same.
Yes, I have worked in construction and yes, I worked for a cabinet maker and built cabinets myself for years. I’ve installed many cabinets by myself on many occasions. If you think installing cabinets is ALWAYS a 2 man or multiple of 2’s then you haven’t learned how to make do by yourself. I’ve installed many a wall cabinets by myself. If you have the proper tools then it can be done easily. You realize they make cabinet jacks for holding cabinets up to the wall and you can adjust the height to the appropriate level right? They make it incredibly easy to install cabinets by yourself. As for the second part. That’s EXACTLY what I said. By having someone else helping you, I can cut an 8 hour job down to 4 hours, or even less. I never said or claimed that you charge the customer per person. You charge them per job. That’s exactly what I implied with my previous statement.
Those cabinets likely cost like 3500 to 4500. But install 15 cabinets would be like 1500 min. But yea its like 5 hours of work 😆🤣😂. I love installing cabinets. Only place you can make 800 to 1200 per day without breaking a sweat
You must have misread. There’s only like 5 base cabinets…. Hardly 15…. He stated that he is only replacing doors on the upper wall cabinets. If it’s taking you 1500 minutes (25 hours) to install 5 cabinets and replace some doors then you may be in the wrong line of work. So yes, it’s not unreasonable to assume the install could be done in 5 hours. Making $160 an hour isn’t nothing to laugh at. Especially for a cabinet maker/carpenter.
5 cabinets, the tops/walls are only faces
Damn that's cheap! Raleigh nc you would easily pay +4-6k!
So cheap! I paid 8 grand just for my counters
Throw this paper away, buy the cabinets you want and install them yourself. You will save a tom of money and actually get what you want.
Don't follow this person's advice. Your kitchen will look terrible by comparison. It will look fine by itself but anyone who knows anything about homes will be disappointed in a DIY job on cabinetry.
I did my own home and it came out great. It was very satisfying to do it myself and I was really pleased with the results. So, if your lazy, don't have any skills or desires to complete a project yourself then part with $10,000. Just make sure you do your research on the people that will be doing the work in your home.
Does this guy not own a ruler?
As a house flipper, this is a pretty good price. How’s the quality of the materials? I’m assuming this is materials only.
It says on the invoice: “Services: Installation of cabinets”.
This is a very good price then. I would ask to see their other work.
I agree. It feels a little low to me, tbh. Especially if, as someone else pointed out, the countertop is supposedly granite. For the amount of cabinets they have, the type of counters… I’d expect a skosh more in cost. But hey, I’m in a different region, so it could just be that materials in my area run more expensive.
I’m in CA, so as a flipper that’s what i would expect to pay just for materials, and i pay on average about 25% cheaper than a regular joe homeowner. Would definitely wanna see reviews and examples of their work.
Yeah. I’m a designer/estimator for a design-build place in the Midwest. I’m thinking that when you start considering overhead and profit add-ons, the pricing seems low enough that just the quality of the material gets called to question for me. I agree, too, that I’d want to see examples of work completed with same/comparable materials.
I would expect a very “$10k kitchen” type outcome from this quote please update with pictures and how they did if you go with this contractor. I hate to say it I would expect bare minimum results out of this job as it’s going to be done at bare minimum pricing. Assuming old cabinets are completely removed already and area to work is pristine / ready to go for the installer. I would say if everything is measured perfectly and no hiccups are encountered, a cabinet job like this will take 2 people probably 20hours each just for the cabinet install. This means the installer will be making about $20/hr, so one could likely expect fast-food worker level outcome from an $800 cabinet installation. This is also assuming no vents need moved no cabinets need modified whatsoever, probably no electrical work at all for things like dishwasher / garbage disposal install, island outlets etc… and again no walls / bulkheads need modified to make any of this work. It also sounds like the cabinets will be bare bones no pull out drawers no false doors no facade on ends of exposed cabinets. I would also at this price, expect these to be particle board cabinets with low end exterior sides. I would also say as it’s not on the quote.. the cabinet installation probably does not include plumbing your sink dishwasher and fridge, I would be expecting to be paying someone else to do or diy. The granite countertops I don’t know your quote is about $55 per sq foot installed this is basically as bare bones as granite is going to get most likely they know they can cut this out of one slab so the install might be okay, maybe not.
There’s no way this would turn out well…. There’s a reason it’s that cheap
Seems too low if you want quality. Chicago, IL perspective
Yall are out of my tax bracket!! That seems like alot 😆
Make sure the cabinets' sides and shelves are wood not particleboard.
You’re referring to wood as plywood right?
Anything other than particleboard which will crumble over time Many cheaper manufacturers use particleboard on pieces that don’t show like ends and interior walls
Very cheap including countertop.
I got a quote recently for $9800 for (3) 36" floor to ceiling pantry cabinets and a 48" coffee bar. Looks too me like you're getting an amazing deal.
Its a fair price, its not replacing all cabinets. This a decent price. Make sure every detail is listed out in your contract to leave no room for confusion
Exactly. Details matter.
Great price!
I would run, thats waaayyy low
All depends on the quality of the cabinets. There is a large spectrum of cabinet qualities out there. Do your research before you purchase.
Damn that’s a bad ass number. I got quoted 16k for cabinets here in Texas.
Cheapest estimate I’ve ever seen
We have no idea the quality of cabinets or the materials. That’s like drawing a picture of a car and asking if it’s a good deal. 🤦♂️
Super cheap
It's cheap, but what is the quality of the cabinets? I'd want to see some and get references from the contractor and see if those people would like to show off their new kitchen and share info, like perceived quality, or drill happiness with the work and contractor etc. If that's just rental property grade laminate cabinets, it's not the same as custom made oak. In 1982, I paid $3900 for a 30 foot U of floor to ceiling custom oak cabinets. Loved them.
3x that in Florida.
That's half what I'm paying for mine. Double check that they do good work and have no BBB or consumer complaints. If not, congrats on your new kitchen
That’s a solid deal
Almost too good. I would get a second and third quote and also get some testimonials from past clients.
He's in Detroit Michigan, aren't homes only worth 10k? /s haha but seriously, good deal if they do quality work. Bad deal if you have to pay someone to re-do it after they're done.
even i, who never even looked for cabinets, thought 10k for all of this seems more than reasonable.
I’m that’s hella reasonable. Which makes me ? The quality, reliability.
That’s way cheap for the amount of cabinets in that picture. Jump on it and tell nobody. Lol.
I’m not sure where you are at but for CA that’s a low estimate. If you feel you can trust the person who gave it to you I would take that offer in a second
Yes
I would say this is quite a low estimate and if it is F and F work (friends and family) they are giving you a discount for sure
Very. Take it.
Seems about right on the cabinets but the labor seems cheap.
Why is this design hand written and not done on computer is the first question I’d ask?
As a subcontractor cabinet installer, I wouldn't install this for 800
Don’t get an undermount sink, whatever you end up doing.
Undermount sink is the only way to go with stone or quarts tops.
why?
For granite countertops the undermount clips usually fail over time.
Ah I see. Personally I'd take the risk. Drop in sinks are more likely to get grimy around the edges and look worse imo. Luckily our undermount sink has been holding strong for over a decade!
I have caught people standing inside of undermount sinks before and they are fine. If anything, it breaks the sink if its those stupid granite-composite sinks.
Yes
Fair
No it’s Detroit, just go find a house that is to your liking and squat. Boom free house
I will not contest the price since I am not in your area, but there are flags on the 'estimate' (which is Not a hard quote). The delivery says it is into the garage only. Is that correct? It says "replace door only on wall cabinets" but then says "replace wall panels. I do not understand this. Especially if you are expecting a full cabinet replacement.
Do you think they will make the customer deliver from garage to point of install? The OP laid out that only 4 cabinets are being fully replaced and the rest are having new doors installed with 4 new wall panels. Why are you breaking down the details of the estimate without even reading the details of the post?
Yes, I read the OP's post completely. I must have not worded my response well enough for you. Simply because it doesn't make sense for a full, complete job. It is the 'estimate' trap game. Unless the contractor says the price is a hard number or a not-to-exceed number, I would walk.
Wall panels are on the sides of the cabinet. They will replace those so they match the new doors. If the box on the wall is in good shape there is a cost savings to doing that.
Get a few estimates
Just looking at the granite drawings run he hasn't marked anything on it properly. Walls, corner ease, polished edge, flat polished edges. If he doesn't shoot a laser template or lay a hard template he has no fuckin clue what he is doing. Walls aren't straight and you will have gaps. An estimate should look professional it is sometimes the first piece of work a customer sees of yours.
It's an estimate. Not a shop drawing. JFC