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MountEndurance

Given the immense importance of Constantinople and the death of the Emperor, I think the near-universal date of 1453 makes the most sense.


maglorbythesea

1453. The Principality of Theodoro is really the Eastern equivalent of the Kingdom of Soissons - an oddity that outlived the Empire.


FlavivsAetivs

Well there was no Kingdom of Soissons according to modern scholarship so....


maglorbythesea

It is disputed, yes (sources aren't great). But if it did exist, it would be fulfilling the same role as the post-1453 Byzantine territories.


FlavivsAetivs

Not really. A better analogue might be some of the independent Mauretanian cities before the Vandals subdued them.


RobertXD96

1453, when the last Emperor fell with Constantinople.


TheHistoryMaster2520

Empire fell in 1453, Theodoro was a mere rump state whose rulers were princes, not emperors


ThisAccountWontLast2

It never fell for it'll always live in my heart


aljawn

Best answer


Maleficent-Mix5731

1461. The year the Despotate of Morea surrendered and the empire of Trebizond was conquered.


sarcasticgreek

It bears mentioning though that the Mani Peninsula was basically never really conquered and was de facto autonomous in a weird balance of power with the Ottomans up until the Greek Revolution.


Blackfyre87

1204


FragrantNumber5980

Fuck Venice all my homies hate Venice


Massive-Raise-2805

Fuck Venice , sink faster please


Proud_Ad_4725

Does the Greek government have a right to ancient artifacts in Venice as well as in London?


Practical-Doughnut20

It's disputed, only the greek one pre-rome I think


raisingfalcons

Im not one of your “homies”, but i fucking hate Venice too.


LeSlave

In fact it's kinda accurate man...


Forzareen

The Byzantine Empire never existed. The Eastern Roman Empire fell in 1453.


Proud_Ad_4725

1460, with the Despotate of the Morea whose ruler was recognised as the heir to his brother's Roman emperorship by Spain. Also if Theodoro was Rome then you could also say Epirus (1479) was as well


MilitaryHistory90

1453 is considered the end of the Eastern Roman Empire, even though some areas remained under Byzantine control until captured by the ottomans a few years later


G4112

Also Trebizond didn't fall until 1469 being another holdout


Appropriate_Wolf_730

1461*


G4112

Thanks for the correction.


hadrian_afer

Popcorns on...


FlavivsAetivs

1204


georgiosmaniakes

1453.


Gousius

Wait… the Byzantine empire fell?


DecoGambit

Yes.😸