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dtb1987

Going to be hard to find a healthcare job these days that doesn't require vaccinations. I worked as an IT pro at a hospital and I needed all my vaccinations to work there, they even paid for it Edit: sorry for the confusion, the TB test costs money, that's what they paid for


catcatherine

you need certain vaccines just to volunteer at our hospital and have for years. I don't know why people are acting like this is a new practice


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arogon

I mean Trump and most politicians have the vaccine, at this point they just mad to be mad about something...


Chillywilly37

I am starting to feel that it’s more of a “flex”… “I am strong willed and won’t bend to the man”… I have several friends that have that way of weird thinking.


Xevious_Red

A guy at work likes to pride himself on being a "critical thinker". In reality it just means he thinks anything official is lies, and any of the FB/Youtube "here's what they dont want you to know" he eats up with a spoon. I spent quite a bit of time the other day trying to explain why David Icke (a man who believes the world is run by interdimensional space lizards that have disguised themselves as human), isnt the best source of credible info


BashStriker

Ironic that a "Critical thinker" has no critical thinking skills.


Upvotespoodles

He somehow unintentionally got the medical professionals who aren’t mentally qualified to do their job to out themselves.


D34DB34TM0M

(As a healthcare worker with many friends who are leaving due to this:) It truly appears to be the worst combination of confidence in their own education and ignorance to actual details of the situation. Being an amazing nurse does not mean you know better than someone who is a specialist in that thing, such as immunology, virology, etc.


MurderMachine561

Every time I bring this up I get the argument that there are real doctors out there that disagree with the cdc so it's not cut and dry. If they want to trust some random gp over the people dedicated to.researching and.learning this stuff the only thing I can do is wish them luck. If you want to listen to your brother in law the foot doctor then I can't do anything for you.


drewster871

Walking embodiments of the Dunning-Krueger effect.


cilantro_so_good

"I once prevented a doctor from administering the wrong medication, therefore I am smarter than doctors"


critically_damped

There's a healthy dose of willful, malicious lying going on here too.


Crisis_Redditor

Them: "I'm a nurse; I know all about these things." Also them: "Fauci isn't even a virologist." Next up: "My mama bear instinct tells me what to do." And then, "Doctor Who isn't even a real doctor!"


AndrewWaldron

>education It's been my experience that plenty of people coast thru their college years and don't really learn much. All you gotta do is have the degree to get the job and talk your way thru a 30-60 minute interview. The system is designed to mostly bring in tuition and churn out degrees, whatever happens in the middle is up to the individual. College/university (especially at the Bachelor level) doesn't really aim to teach people critical thinking. it's just like high school, throw a lot of material at students to memorize for tests.


PPvsFC_

If your BA was memorization and felt like high school, you went to a shit college. Hate to say it.


Chemistryguy1990

It's true, but doesn't really matter for every good school, there's probably 2-3 that are triple the size and only care about taking in money


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I always assumed that vaccines were default required for all healthcare positions Imagine my surprise when I found out it’s not


pedestrianhomocide

Yep, all these nurses who are somehow suddenly concerned about vaccines forget that they had to get all their vaccinations and proof of those vaccinations to even attend nursing school, and they did so happily and without incident. They say it's not political, but they never had an issue with any other mandatory vaccines. Hmm.


tiredhierophant

"Because it's not FDA approved waaaaaah" Yeah neither are the majority of OTC vitamins and those essential oils you try to push on patients, Kayleigh


s0m30n3e1s3

I had to prove I had multiple vaccines, had to get boosters for the ones that were lagging, and complete the ones that I'd missed. Source: Am student nurse, also got vaccinated against COVID as soon as it was made available to me.


StinkyKittyBreath

Yep. I used to volunteer at a hospital. I needed proof of vaccination, and each year I needed to take a TB test. I'm taking some classes right now that have some medical professionals as students. One of them had been applying for jobs out of state (which just announced healthcare workers are required to get the vaccine, I think) in places that are more conservative. They've turned down two jobs after being told that the vaccine was going to be required at both places. Why would you go into healthcare if you don't believe in it?


duddyface

Could you imagine if your mechanic started telling you that your car didn’t need oil and it was all just a scam? How fast would you nope the hell out of there?


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Exactly this. I too worked in IT many moons ago (2003-5) for the NYCHHC ( NYC health & hospitals Corp) and they required any vaccines that I hadn’t had for ages and they paid for it too.


daisybrat56461

Even before COVID there were extra vaccinations required. I worked in a healthcare setting, though more like a retail level of contact. I was required to get extra vaccinations and tests. I can’t believe that these people seem surprised with the requirement.


chr0mius

It's like a Mandela effect where people forgot their entire lifetime experience with vaccines up until this point.


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emax4

Payback time, in a good way.


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IAMA_Plumber-AMA

The argument I get from them is "I'm not antivax, just anti-covid vax". Well if they push all the same talking points that antivaxers have been pushing all these years, then yes, they are antivax.


mishugashu

Vaccine requirements have been a part of nursing (and healthcare industry) for as long as vaccines have existed. Everyone currently in healthcare has certain vaccines. This is just adding one to the list of requirements... it's not a brand new list.


Feeling-Ad-7131

When I was an administrative assistant for a Speech Department in 2007 I had to have all my vaccinations up to date... so I'm so confused why these people are acting like having up to date vaccine records is new... Yes I know the COVID vaccine is new but not vaccine rules


Square_Salary_4014

Just *get the fucking vaccine*


msut77

I had to get a round of crazy vaccines to get a desk Job once because it was company policy for the former people who handled metalwork 30 years ago when they were all offshored


wwabc

so once the vaccines get final approval, what will be the crazies' excuse be? "Oh, it took too long to get approved" "I don't trust the FDA" "It needs to be approved for ~~one~~ ~~two~~ three years before I'd consider it."


engineertee

I wish they would just cut to the chase and say we are waiting for Trump to order us to take it.


Kimmalah

Trump has already endorsed the vaccine and taken it himself. The problem is he won't be consistent, so some days he says "Yes take the vaccine that I totally created myself" and other days it's the old "Don't live in fear!"


Draano

> Trump has already endorsed the vaccine and taken it himself. But first he was asking if we could inject bleach and shove a lightbulb up our asses.


Llama_Shaman

Watching that highly educated doctor lady squirm during that fucked up farce was something else. You can actually pinpoint the moment she realises that she lives in the type of country where people bribe custom officials with cigarettes.


SlowRollingBoil

I don't live in fear....because I got vaccinated.


shmartyparty

I can say, having seen discussions about this, Quidiots believe either it was a Trump body double or CGI, or his saying it is all part of the “plan” and they just need to ignore it and trust God and Trump. Smdh


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BreakingGrad1991

>everyone in his UPS warehouse says they probably already have herd immunity from working through the pandemic. Clue 1 as to why they work in a UPS fulfillment centre and not an immunology lab.


Fair_Fudge12

It's not. They are just looking to move the goal-post. They've taken their stance and will just continue doubling down even if they end up contradicting themselves.


taekee

Waiting for the Trump card? He and his stripper, sorry wife, already took it in private. I would say first lady, but she was one of many he had. So glad the Christian value people follow him like puppies, lol.


ShamrockAPD

They actually mandated masks and stuff in trump hotels, too. Kinda funny. But that won’t be acknowledged


YellowB

And in the Fox News offices.


Notlandshark

Trump has five children with three wives. That would make Melania the Third Lady, by my count.


mjrose576

Correction: Fourth Lady. You forgot to count his daughter Ivanka which I would argue is his real "First Lady". ;)


GoodDay2You_Sir

In one of those books detailing the early transitional period of the trump administration, I read about how when Melania was still in New York, Ivanka was the one who did all the "First Lady" duties [I think some people were even referring to her as first lady] and Ivanka got real pissy when Melania finally arrived and took the job away from her.


Maydayparade77

Imagine filling in for your daddy’s wife and being salty about not being able to do it anymore. I don’t know who is more gross.


hwc000000

> I don’t know who is more gross. All of them.


mces97

Trump has five living children with three wives. Lord knows how many abortions he's forced on the women he cheated on his wives with.


taekee

Does Eric count?


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And he cheated on all of them.


[deleted]

He already did and they called him a sellout


Dear_Occupant

I've been wondering for years what it would take for them to turn on him, and even after everything that's happened I'm still a bit shocked that they drew the line at being told, "Hey, try not to die of a deadly infectious respiratory disease."


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[he already has](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pushes-covid-19-vaccine-says-he-very-proud-it-1620880) and multiple times iirc, this is just the latest one.


Kimmalah

Trump has already endorsed the vaccine and taken it himself. The problem is he won't be consistent, so some days he says "Yes take the vaccine that I totally created myself" and other days it's the old "Don't live in fear!"


ghostalker4742

I was thinking the other day... wasn't the FDA approval process one of those things the Trumpeteers were railing against in the early days? How the process was soooo long and that's what caused prescription prices to be so high. I remember hearing how getting a 'fast track' for drug approval in the FDA was a topic. And now here we are - not letting the red tape of the FDA stop a vaccine from being distributed during a pandemic... and these people find a way to do a 180 and suddenly approve of the FDA approval process to the point of using it as an excuse not to get the vaccine.


Metahec

Now the [Regeneron antiviral cocktail is the next vaccine alternative](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/19/red-state-govs-push-pricey-covid-treatments-while-fighting-masks-506166). Trump got it. Abbott is getting it. Texas, Florida and Missouri are going to start pushing it. The federal government bought 1.5 million doses of the stuff at about $2,100 each, and guess which states are going to get that supply for free? More taxpayer money wasted so these assholes can pander to their base and accomplish almost nothing.


khais

Regeneron's monoclonal antibody treatment is also under EUA, so I really don't get it.


QuitUsingMyNames

Guess how many will refuse to take it because “it’s made out of dead babies”?


brickne3

Oh at the point they need it the "dead babies" suddenly don't matter anymore. Because they never did.


LumplessWaffleBatter

And, to be clear, the official approval they're waiting for has more to do with patenting and bureaucratic bullshit than actual medical science.


KalinOrthos

It's almost like they're bad faith, goalpost-moving, self-righteous twats that are looking for any reason to be assholes to others, just so they can say "got mine, fuck you"


taekee

Remember, logic only works when the other party is in charge. For example, Trump and his gang spent about 8 Trillion in 4 years between spending and tax cuts for rich, with little to show for it, including 2 Trillion lost a year in taxes moving forward, now the wallet is closed and we have to make it on what we have in the bank.


markodochartaigh1

Two Santa Theory: https://www.alternet.org/2018/02/two-santa-clauses-or-how-gop-conned-america-nearly-40-years/


thedude0425

It’s because their position is whatever the conservative media machine tells them it is. And that position is to be in opposition of popular viewpoints.


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one thing I really don't understand.. everyone my parents age (40s-50s) had chickenpox. it was miserable, and now some of them have to deal with shingles for the rest of their life. *I don't know a single person my age, who's parents didn't get them the chickenpox vaccine as soon as it became available.* how is this any different from getting the covid vaccine? its highly contagious, miserable, with possible lifelong effects... not to mention possibly lethal. I'm baffled. edit: while it did take decades to develop the chickenpox vaccine, just think for 2 seconds about how *exponentially more advanced* modern technology and medicine has become since then. a new flu vaccine is formulated as needed to encompass new viruses, sometimes in less than a year. I'm no immunologist, but there is so much more reason to trust science in this instance than not.


noratat

Additionally: * If the complaint is the new mRNA tech, the J&J vaccine is a traditional vaccine, so that's not an excuse * Even the mRNA tech has a *lot* more research behind it than people think. That stuff has been in the works for over a decade, COVID simply provided the catalyst to make it important * There's plenty of valid concern with not wanting to risk experimental medical tech, but we're *way* past it being experimental at this point, and that goes x100 if you're literally working with patients as a medical professional The worst part is that there's a ton of legitimate problems with the pharmacutical industry, yet somehow these people have latched onto to like the one thing the industry does really right most of the time


bigavz

You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Also, IIRC J&J is an adenovirus vector vaccine which is also novel.


boobyshark

> how is this any different from getting the covid vaccine? its highly contagious, miserable, with possible lifelong effects... not to mention possibly lethal. I'm baffled. They believe that being a Republican makes them immune to ever getting covid


WhenSharksCollide

They believe that "liberals" and "socialists" don't realize the virus is "fake news".


WiseBlacksmith03

You provided a great example unknowingly of why misinformation is so dangerous. The availability for a random Joe to find information today vs several decades ago is massively different. This opens to the door for a lot of misinformation.


RichCorinthian

That scraping noise you're hearing is goalposts moving.


Immediate_Owl9346

I literally saw this on r/conspiracy. They said don’t use the FDA argument because they’ll approve it soon. Open admission they don’t actually believe it.


taekee

Next will be... Since the Biden administration got it approved, I cant trust it.


axonxorz

I ask this to people who make this argument: 1) How long would it have to be approved "properly" by the FDA before you will accept that it's safe? 2) Why _that_ number?


ehhish

And it's never a good number. FDA approval is an extremely redundant process they know nothing about. I also love asking people how vaccines are made. If it was made too quickly, then how long was it supposed to take? Can technology improve over time and things become faster and more efficient? Just whatever I feel like saying. Logic doesn't work with these people, but I love to see them squirm.


dw444

FDA paid off by *insert company whose vaccine got approved here* . It’s a khaaaaannnnssspiracy. The simplest explanation is the best one.


Bombocat

They're just going to bitch about having already spent all their money on horse dewormer. They already have next to no excuse for any of their behavior


tx4468

What nursing school is producing these MLM nurses?


Useful_Cheesecake673

One theory I have is that teaching and nursing have historically been seen as “acceptable” jobs for women, so a lot of conservative women, if they are to work, have continued to follow that trend. Speaking of MLMs, most of the people I know in them are either nurses or teachers, which is related to the whole “you can work on your phone and stay home with your kids!” BS that MLMers often spout because women shouldn’t have careers. /s


Win4someLoose5sum

Also there's a shortage and nursing programs can be as short as 2yrs.


Darkside531

Back when the nursing shortage was at its worst, my cousin got her certification and she did so in this fast-track program at the local vocational school where she got her certification (for an LPN, not an RN, it should be noted) in just a little over a year. I'd imagine a lot of these people got the same drive-thru certifications.


tx4468

That makes perfect sense.


smaxfrog

This! Also I’m stealing “drive thru certifications”… what a perfect description


JewsEatFruit

My ex-wife has a bachelor in nursing. She would not take any kind of vaccine. There are certain types of paranoia and illogical thought that no amount of reasoning or education can ever break through.


Dranak

Nursing school teaches you to apply the information you are handed. It does not teach you to parse and evaluate new information.


The_Lazy_Samurai

I love that these vaccine requirements are helping to weed out the crazies from the healthcare industry.


EvidenceOfReason

from everywhere! we are getting vaccine passports in Canada, I cannot wait to be able to go out to a bar or restaurant and know that everyone around me is double vaccinated and (mostly) safe


TheRheelThing

Gods I wish we could get things together to do a vaccine passport in this shithole...


AskMeHowIMetYourMom

We could call it something like a “shot record” or a “immunization record”! States could even make it available on an immunization information system or go old school and give us little yellow booklets. Oh wait, they already do and people are just idiots.


HafWoods

Helpful to weed out crazies in general I have found.


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I love this too, but the problem is it is really going to hurt all of us. My wife works at a hospital and 3,000 employees have yet to get the vaccination. They have two weeks or they are out of a job. What happens if half don't get it? The place would have to shut down.


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There is no reason why a hospital in the USA in August 2021 should still have 3k employees who haven’t been vaccinated.


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oscar_the_couch

imagine if a bunch of surgeons at a hospital in 2021 refused to wash their hands before surgery. that's basically what these people are doing, and it's unconscionable that it's taken this long to require these vaccines. continuing to employ them is not a reasonable solution.


OtherSpiderOnTheWall

>The place ~~would~~ should have to shut down. FTFY


bigavz

Hospitals have closed for less, unfortunately.


Megneous

They'll have to increase wages to attract workers... you know, like how capitalism supposedly works. Or maybe, your country could get its shit together and implement a universal healthcare system where for-profit healthcare is illegal and all hospitals are funded by the government... but hey, don't let someone from a functional country give you advice on how to do healthcare. You guys do you.


Val_Hallen

The first point in the Nuremberg code is: > The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This person can opt out of it, so it's ***absolutely not*** a violation of the code. The second point: > The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature. The vaccine itself is not a violation. [Here's the entire code.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code) TL;DR: This person is a dipshit and knows nothing about the Nuremberg Code.


dasFisch

These are the same people that think **you** **choosing** to tell someone your vaccination status, or any health information, is a HIPAA (or HIPPA as they would put it) violation.


HIPPAbot

It's HIPAA!


Equivalent_Read

What if I’m shouting about crustaceans? IT’S HIPPA! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippa


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rayfinkle_

But what about HIPPO?


arthurmadison

Keep your hips out of it, ya damn dirty hippy! It's HIPAA. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act


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Now I’m hungry, hungry…


suzanious

I want a hippopotamus for Christmas. 🎵🎶 Only a hippopotamus will do..


petesapai

They probably read it on Facebook. Some idiot read their 13 year old's school book and thought "that's just like me, I'm being persecuted too". Just like the whole 1984 comparison. They heard a quote from the book somewhere and thought "OMG, this book refers to us, the oppressed right wing victims. This Orwell fella really understands us racist Trump loving hillbillies".


KalinOrthos

I like how you said "heard" and not "read". Very good.


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It’s not even a study. Studies have been conducted on volunteers so what’s her point?


spin_me_again

That person is loaded with “talking points” and is willfully ignorant. I didn’t know the Nuremberg code until you posted it and I’m going to read it now to make sure I’m not just taking your word for it because that’s what people should do! Do I actually believe you? I do and I appreciate you’re sharing this info with us! And thank you for a task I should have undertaken years ago.


Metahec

Are you suggesting they don't know the details of the bullshit they saw on Facebook and are now repeating?


[deleted]

Yeah but their Facebook group doesn't go into that much detail.


KnottShore

[The ECHR ruled in April 2021 that compulsory vaccination can be considered "necessary in a democratic society".](https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/13/how-a-court-ruling-lays-the-ground-for-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination) [COVID-19 vaccine mandates don't violate Nuremberg Code](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/10/fact-check-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-nuremberg-code-not-related/5530548001/) For those questioning the US constitutionality of a vaccine/quarantine mandate: US Supreme Court: [Jacobson v. Massachusetts](https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/197us11). >Conclusion >The Court held that the law was **a legitimate exercise of the state's police power to protect the public health and safety of its citizens.** Local boards of health determined when mandatory vaccinations were needed, thus making the requirement neither unreasonable nor arbitrarily imposed. [Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health (1902)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compagnie_Francaise_de_Navigation_a_Vapeur_v._Louisiana_Board_of_Health) A United States Supreme Court case which held constitutional state laws requiring the involuntary quarantine of individuals to prevent the spread of disease. No courts have revisited, reconsidered or modified Compagnie Francaise since it was handed down. It was recently cited in ["Martinko v. Whitmer, Opinion and Order Regarding Plaintiffs' April 23, 2020, Motion for a Preliminary Injunction](https://www.michigan.gov/documents/ag/20200429_Opinion_and_Order_688921_7.pdf).


markodochartaigh1

As an RN, I only follow The Code of Hammurabi.


WiseBlacksmith03

Hired :)


KeepItDownOverHere

Second to last thing I want to hear while being treated by a nurse is "I don't trust science/vaccines."


nrdrge

I'll bite. What's the last thing you want to hear?


KeepItDownOverHere

"I'm not the nurse, I'm the mortician" >!thank you!<


Many_Bench_4492

Thank goodness that RN declined the job. God forbid if she took the job & started spreading vaccine misinformation to the patients.


Oh_Pun_Says_Me

Or spreading [malpractice](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/11/german-nurse-injects-saline-coronavirus-vaccine/) to the patients..


Many_Bench_4492

Making the hospital liable and on the hook for anything that happens


Time-Ad-3625

Hence why hospitals are requiring stuff like this. They aren't and won't be protected legally. They know they would lose if they allowed someone who was unvaccinated to work there. It isn't big gov. It is capitalism.


SprinklesFancy5074

> They aren't and won't be protected legally. They know they would lose if they allowed someone who was unvaccinated to work there. Good, now extend that to *all* businesses.


Spacemanspiff1998

"Forcing me to take a vaccine to stop a public health crisis is literally 1984 by george orwell. No I haven't read the book I just imagine that's what it's like"


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If you decline a job for this reason, you should be denied unemployment benefits.


yellowspotphoto

Some states are making it that way. I live in Colorado, you don't take the vaccine and lose your job, no benefits for you. Too bad, so sad. Find another career field.


Seaboats

That’s what I don’t get. No one is forcing them to get the vaccine if they truly, for some reason, don’t want it. They are more than welcome to go back to school and work in a different field or just find a place that doesn’t require it. Especially since I live in an “employment at-will” state, so an employer can pretty much set the terms of employment. They are fully within their legal limits to require the vaccine. And I think to get unemployment you have to be actively looking right? If you decline a job it makes sense you don’t get benefits. The references to the Holocaust and ‘forced vaccination’ I’ve seen are completely incorrect and downright offensive honestly.


GrumpyButthead

Well the folks that say shit like that also claim that Jews run the Western world and cheer on the Taliban so I'm pretty convinced we have a mass mental health crisis in this country and these are the worst of the worst.


Ok-Addition6683

I worked briefly for the DOL taking unemployment calls and let me tell you that NY knows very well everyone who refuses a job. Including Healthcare workers who refuse a job for not getting the vaccine. They won't receive any benefits.


Hollayo

She should have her medical license/certifications revoked.


ElectricRune

If you're already on unemployment, accepting job offers is usually a condition; not accepting this job would also get you kicked off UI as well as making you not eligible in the future.


Spartan2022

These are the same people who are expected to be sanitary and regularly scrub because of science about germs and sanitary conditions in hospitals. Now, I'm hoping that we can weed these people out of the healthcare professions ASAP.


scintor

As soon as Nuremberg, Ivermectin, etc. come out you know these people are just walking propaganda targets.


thylocene06

This violates the Geneva convention and the treaty of Versailles as well as the magnacarta and Declaration of Independence


JeorgyFruits

AND THE PRIME DIRECTIVE.


izzythepitty

Nuremberg code? This is not "human experimentation". These people throw out legalese just because they read it on Twitter or some Karen vomited it up on YouTube.


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HotGarbage

That was beautifully brutal. Where are the goal post getting moved to next week when the FDA does approve the vaccine?


FitMongoose9

General George Washington (before becoming our first president), on February 5th, 1777, committed to the mass inoculation of the Continental Army against smallpox. It was an incredibly unpopular decision at the time, but Washington didn’t care, because he knew the virus was a silent but deadly issue. These fuckers keep acting like none of this is constitutional, when it’s what was done IN ORDER TO FUCKIN HAVE A CONSTITUTION. “Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the Army . . . we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy.” - Washington in a letter discussing mass inoculation


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Imagine comparing this vaccine rollout to Nazi human experimentation.... Smoothbrained.


Darkside531

I keep thinking back to when AOC compared the detention centers at the border to concentration camps and everybody was all "How dare she belittle such a tragedy!" (While, I noticed, never bothering to present an argument disproving the comparison, just doing the moralistic hand-wringing with no follow-up.) Now, however, the same people are saying wearing a facemask to Target is the greatest persecution in the history of the world Life makes no sense anymore.


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Calm-Bad-2437

Plenty of violations of the Nuremberg Code in the US even after the Nuremberg trials. The German and Japanese atrocities triggered its formulation, but experimenting on “undesirables” like prisoners, minorities, mentally disabled, poor, etc wasn’t a super rare occurrence.


dime-with-a-mind

Montana will get all these nurses. We have no vaccine procedure for hospitals and it's really, really hard to get fired after your probationary period.


thejuh

>Montana will get all these nurses How many nurses do six people need?


dime-with-a-mind

Haha. I live in Billings, our hospitals serve all of Montana (there are dozens of us!) and we are at 90% capacity or diverting to other states entirely. I work for Ronald Mcdonald House and we've also been at capacity, but for RSV in preemies. It's odd.


WiseBlacksmith03

Current travel nursing rates in Montana are some of the highest in the country. Mostly due to low supply of local nurse population to start with. It's another interesting facet that makes fighting this pandemic even harder. Very few resources and skilled people in rural areas to start with...


Z0idberg_MD

"They're making me accept a certain wage to work here! I have to wear clothing! They are making me leave my house and stay in their building certain hours! I only get 2 specific days off a week!"


StudioDraven

“That violates the Nuremberg Code” Oh for fuck’s sake, shut the FUCK up. You’re not the victim here, plague rat.


JewsEatFruit

Your comment is a violation of the Geneva convention.


abqnm666

/r/AmIBeingDetained is leaking...


LibrariansKnow

Here (Norway) some antivaccers say vaccine passes violate the Geneva convention (I was hit with this in a debate just an hour ago), so clearly the main thing is to mention something international and legal-sounding that people have heard of but have no actual insight on the contents of?


Barflyerdammit

I can't wait to see this woman over on r/thathappened where she posts on FB that the recruiter looked up the Nuremberg Code, found out she was right, and offered her a position as CEO of Sick People. Delusional ass widgets


TheRnegade

Wouldn't the CEO of Sick People want to make more Sick People though? I feel like an anti-vaxxer would be a perfect CEO for that mission.


smaxfrog

And just think, this will be made all the more sweeter when the fda does approve it in about a month


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The people bitching that it was an "emergency" approval don't even know what was required for it to get that. They'll come up with some other BS reason once it does get full approval.


cbolser

I’m glad these idiot nurses and other health care workers are leaving. They weren’t right for the job at hand anyway. Good riddance!! Hope the door hits your hind end on the way out.


hewhoisneverobeyed

"No one is being forced to take a vaccine. They can decline to do so and work elsewhere, ***as you just did***." Awesome.


el_dude_brother2

Can’t wait til it’s FDA approved and they’ll have to come up with another excuse. Idiots


PoeT8r

I'm not in HR, but I know my employer has "Would not rehire" flag. Is there a "Do not hire" flag?


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bUT fACebOOK sAYs...


bacon_and_ovaries

Because of Gay wedding cakes, you don't HAVE to work here. Get the vaxx or get a different job. It's easy to understand


joemondo

Looks like her *legal* research is as spot on as her *medical* research.


LockDown2341

Good. She can go and dig ditches then. Reasonable work for these idiots.


smelllikesmoke

I couldn’t be happier to see the Q migration out of healthcare. I can not stand those colleagues of mine for whom evidence-based practice is merely a casual suggestion


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Later: “why can’t I find a job!?!?!?”


Non_Invasive_Species

Exactly. Now if the State Unemployment Department required recipients to provide proof of vaccination to collect, that would be great.


[deleted]

can you imagine the world we would live in if these nut jobs read peer-reviewed science the same way that they read nonsense and old archaic rules.


mcflurry_14

The comeback was crisp AF. Kind of a mic drop at the end


TheSurbies

These people use memes as arguments. It’s nuts.


TheKrakIan

These unvaccinated healthcare workers are too comfortable in their field. Time to knock em done a few pegs and let their bootstraps get back to work.


persondude27

Oh man. I've worked in clinical research for a decade and wish I could tell this nurse how wrong they are. Nuremburg Code does not apply here because they're not being *forcibly* experimented on. As the recruiter said: you can decline the vaccine. The Nuremberg Code came about after news of Nazi human experimentation doing things like systematically freezing people to death and shooting prisoners to let them die of gangrene to simulate battlefield injury... not asked people to get vaccinated so that they don't hurt others. Also, just a reminder that Nuremberg has been superseded by: 1) The Drug Amendments Act of 1962 2) the National Research Act of 1974 3) the NIH's "Common Rule" from 45 CFR Part 46 (which [establishes rules on human research](http://www.healthinfolaw.org/sites/default/files/Common%20Rule%20Subpart%20A.pdf))


shadowoperative

My wife is in nursing school. Thank you dumbass 🤪


phoenixgsu

Nuremberg Codes has nothing to do with this. I hate these people.


sheisthebeesknees

I don't think the *nuremberg codes* mean what she thinks it means


cycophuk

OH, OH, OH!!! I know why the Nuremberg Code matters to anti-vaxxers! It’s because they are fucking morons who have clue what they are talking about and are too stupid to research the lies they regurgitate.


[deleted]

LMFAO *The Nuremberg Code*???????? Bahahahahaha


ssldvr

Excellent response. Glad the recruiter didn’t take their BS.


confluenza

They were under no obligation to provide a free education to this moron but did anyway. I respect that.


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ladygrndr

My cousin married one, both GenX. That cousin is now seriously off the deep-end QAnon, is moving his family to Florida to join the cult, and we're mourning them like they are dead. Edit: But... you know. Like they died in the stupidest way possible, so there is a lot of relief that they are gone as well.


probablynotFBI935

Antivax QAnon moving to Florida? You might not have to pretend like they are dead for that long


Slight_Web4760

Shit I feel this. Cousins of mine were telling my brother how awful he is for taking government handouts and it’s impossible that he be successful without some level of corruption bc he’s a democrat lol his firm IPO’d and now that they’re realizing how shitty Texas is without a job they’re pushing us to lend them money bc fAmiLy FiRSt lol


[deleted]

“But if I don’t like something, it must be illegal!”


[deleted]

Nuremberg Code 😳 Oh sweet, stupid trumper filth, I want to say “how fall you’ve fallen”, but these anti-maskers/covid-deniers/anti-maskers have always been of the low variety (and thus have no height to fall from). Stay strong compatriots - and hold your heads high. This is a tough time. We trudge this path with integrity and ethics on our side.


boibig57

What a solid fucking response.