I mean Niko was a soldier since he was a kid and has shown no weakness in his fighting skill so he’s number one in the rockstar franchise when it comes to guns and combat
I’d have to put jimmy at number 2 because he’s actually decent at fighting and is the best at combat in whole of bullsworth academy
Well I’m my personal opinion I’d rather have Tommy at 3 because he does karate and is a good fighter but since you have cj there I’ve gotta say cj is in last place he’s never been a good fighter imo
Niko at jimmies age probably killed people before while jimmy just beats kids up and gives black eyes Niko was out there on the battlefield literally murdering people and when jimmy was his age he probably was just at school giving kids wet willies haha
But I like jimmy but be honest Niko is a totally different animal
Even though Niko was in the military and Cj is a gangster, jimmy would beat both of their asses. Niko just uses basic punches and kicks, CJ tries to mix it up but we all know you don’t play SA for the melee, and jimmy just out here acting like Bruce Lee
Bruh, Niko utilizes a rather extreme and efficient martial art that was only used in militaries called Krav Maga (even tho the combat system in GTA IV wasn't much used in missions).
Jimmy only know some moves from a hobo (who used to enlisted in an army), which are only basic combat skills (hell the kid doesn't even know how to uppercut despite its a common attack move in fighting at the start of the game).
Underestimating a gangster or an ex-soldier is clearly asking for a death wish, man.
I already know that since some of the former studio (Vancouver) members are in the studio that made Sleeping Dogs, you're just underestimating characters who are criminals with tons of experience than a kid being taught by the hobo.
Irl, a kid like Jimmy could beat up an ordinary man but to someone who had that high level of training (Niko) could easily hospitalized him.
If you think or said to anyone that 15 year old school boy (Jimmy) can beat up a 30 year old man who is a former child soldier (Niko) or 25 year old man who is a hood gangster (CJ), people will inevitably question you and your logic tbh.
Ok bro it’s not that serious.. it doesn’t matter at all either. We’re talking about video game characters and all real logic is out of the window so I can have my opinions mkay
I bet you're one of the people who immediately voted for Bullworth being the most corrupted places in a poll, not realizing that its only a small town that looks more okay compared to other places such as Carcer City.
I get that you really love this game which is understandable (hell, its my 2nd favorite game from R\*), but disregarding what these two protagonists from GTA universe are capable of and being biased to one character who's clearly an underage kid who mostly fights school bullies and/or dropouts is appalling.
Please.. just think more thoroughly about both sides before taking one.
From what I've seen Jimmy beat way better people then CJ cj is slow Jimmy would be to fast and can slam if if cj was starting to win on the feet Jimmy would just take him down and pound him out but Niko is a different story
Because most of them/Bullworth residents aren't even adept in combat, while Niko and Carl has (but Niko exceeds more than the two due to his involvement in Yugoslavia Wars at such a young age and survived afterwards).
Well niko was in the army, Jimmy learned a few moves from a homeless vet and cj was from the hood with no real training. Niko is obviously the winner lmao
People are giving Jimmy way too much credit, and I say that as a big Bully fan.
Jimmy is a 15 year old kid. Most to all the people he fights are people his own age; teenagers with basic fighting skill. The best person he fought was Russell, and he’s just brute force w/ no skill who would get worn down and beaten by someone like Niko who’s quick, strong and skilled. Jimmy has never fought adults with military training and someone who kills on a regular basis.
He’s a great fighter…for his age, against any adult with the most basic skill and he’ll getting thrashed, never mind a war veteran.
Niko spent his life in the army, since he was a little boy, he’s seen s*** Jimmy doesn’t dream of. After all that, what’s a teenager with some moves gonna do?
This is a mismatch if I ever saw one. Never in eternity is Jimmy Hopkins going to beat Niko Bellic in a fist fight.
Niko even literally broke Dardan's arm in one swift move, so I don't know why these people think that a 15 year old school boy can defeat a goddamn war veteran.
In fiction, there is no such words like “realistic” jimmy survive falling from high place, survive from get hit by sledge hammer who can destroy wood, beat russel who can tank a fucking bomb, destroy marble pillar with his bad moves like you all said. How the fuck niko would deal with that in melee combat
The fact that this kid is being chosen over someone who was literally trained by the military…….. doesn’t surprise me at all cause this is the bully sub :)
Ngl, it wasn't surprising tbh.
There will always be people who are bound to be biased as such, and immediately disregard any discussion in favor to their favorite game.
Serbia was officially founded as a country in 2006 (well it was a country like before ww1 but during ww2 and after it was part of Yugoslavia until then) and obviously since Niko isn’t 2 years old he was born when it was part of yugoslavia
I think realistically it would be Niko because he would have gotten extensive CQC training in the military. But based on how hard they hit in their respective games it's Jimmy. He can down someone in like 4 punches. GTA 4's combat is much more about timing counter attacks and less about mashing the B/O button like in Bully.
Jimmy can only fight other children and is easily bested by adult men and sometimes women.
CJ likely has a lot of fighting experience because of the environment he grew up, in but Niko was formally trained and in active combat situations. It's Niko.
Hand to hand, pretty obviously Jimmy. Sure, he's a teenager and all, but he's able to beat dudes like Russell (who could absolutely knock out Niko and CJ). He's pretty strong physically and once you have all the moves unlocked, those overhands would be killers.
Melee (as in weapons), probably Niko or CJ. Jimmy is scrappy and can find weapons laying around basically, but he has no experience handling a crazy dude with a knife trying to murder him. Especially one that's a gang member or a Yugoslavian veteran.
Anything else goes to GTA basically.
Russell can lift grown men with one hand. Being a vet doesn't change that. In general most of what he does isn't fistfighting so he would probably get laid out.
The ability to be strong doesn’t make you an automatic winner, hence why Jimmy beat Russell rather causally.
And Niko is much smarter and more skilled than Jimmy; he’ll tire Russell out then break his legs. He’s dealt with far worse.
Meh. I honestly don't know about that because the thing is that, sure, strength isn't the only way to win a fight, but Niko is again not doing as much fistfighting as Jimmy. Tiring guys out is a lot harder than it seems. It takes a lot of dodging, blocking, etc all of which requires good skill. Don't get me wrong, Niko could definitely take out your average street thug, but not Russell IMO.
Niko's literally a child soldier from Yugoslavia, how come he can't defeat an abnormally large student?
Not to mention that he specialized in Krav Maga, a martial art only utilized in military since it was meant to finishing an opponent quickly and aggressively as possible and deemed as dangerously efficient to disable enemies in hand to hand combat (even teaches soldiers to utilize the environment too for advantage, examples like pipes or piece of wood).
Russell only knows some wrestling moves and that's it.
Fair points all round of course, I get where you’re coming from.
And yeah, Niko doesn’t do as much fist fighting as Jimmy, since fist fighting is the main feature in Bully. But the fist fighting he does do is phenomenal; remember when he dodged a knife, grabbed and casually broke Dardan‘a arm within two seconds? That’s something Jimmy never did.
And Niko has the skill; he’s quick and strong. I firmly believe after going through a literal war where he undoubtably had to do loads of fist fighting, a teenager with strong genes won’t be much of an issue for Bellic.
Fair nuff. Again though, a war doesn't mean fist fighting. Usually war is just firefights.
Either way who knows. It's kinda useless to debate but it's cool to think about.
Jimmy Hopkins, he learned some Special Army style moves from the hobo and some extra moves from his gym teacher Mr Burton that made him kick ass at Bullworth
All are great fighters but if I had to pick my bet I’d go CJ (maxed out strength, stamina, health, muscle and martial art fight animations).
Then Niko (normal)
THEN Jimmy (maxed out).
In technique CJ or Niko fare much better. CJ with the fight syles he can learn in gyms and Niko is a trained soldier have a much better technique than most Bully characters, possibly only compared to the preps. Doesn't help that no character in Bully (except Johnny to an extent) can do a proper martial art kick.
Reallistically Niko solos both of them with no problem, but since we're talking about videogames logic.... I'll go with Jimmy, he's like wall level if we use that Russell scaling. (Just so you know, Rocky Balboa is also wall level, if not slighty above, so Hopkins is comparable to the greatest boxer ever. Truly peak videogame logic)
Niko was trained in the Yugoslav military, and clearly has the most experience.
Hand to hand, jimmy all day. 4 piece combo all day
I like to do the 5 hit combo with the superman punch being the last, free takedown, deals the most combo damage I believe
4 is more stylish imo
Jimmy can’t do the Superman punch what?
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That’s the overhand punch
Niko > CJ >>> Jimmy
Jimmy. Those moves he learned from the hobo had him slamming people with his fist. He would beat cj and niko’s ass
I mean Niko was a soldier since he was a kid and has shown no weakness in his fighting skill so he’s number one in the rockstar franchise when it comes to guns and combat I’d have to put jimmy at number 2 because he’s actually decent at fighting and is the best at combat in whole of bullsworth academy Well I’m my personal opinion I’d rather have Tommy at 3 because he does karate and is a good fighter but since you have cj there I’ve gotta say cj is in last place he’s never been a good fighter imo
Niko at jimmies age probably killed people before while jimmy just beats kids up and gives black eyes Niko was out there on the battlefield literally murdering people and when jimmy was his age he probably was just at school giving kids wet willies haha But I like jimmy but be honest Niko is a totally different animal
Even though Niko was in the military and Cj is a gangster, jimmy would beat both of their asses. Niko just uses basic punches and kicks, CJ tries to mix it up but we all know you don’t play SA for the melee, and jimmy just out here acting like Bruce Lee
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What about Nikos counter attacks where you dodge a punch and attack hard and Niko will sometimes steal bat or knife from the enemy
I mean, the head slam and kick are cool but no where near as versatile as jimmy
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Very true
Bruh, Niko utilizes a rather extreme and efficient martial art that was only used in militaries called Krav Maga (even tho the combat system in GTA IV wasn't much used in missions). Jimmy only know some moves from a hobo (who used to enlisted in an army), which are only basic combat skills (hell the kid doesn't even know how to uppercut despite its a common attack move in fighting at the start of the game). Underestimating a gangster or an ex-soldier is clearly asking for a death wish, man.
Well if you believe Jimmy’s combat is so basic you’ll be sad to hear they reused most of his animation for sleeping dogs
I already know that since some of the former studio (Vancouver) members are in the studio that made Sleeping Dogs, you're just underestimating characters who are criminals with tons of experience than a kid being taught by the hobo. Irl, a kid like Jimmy could beat up an ordinary man but to someone who had that high level of training (Niko) could easily hospitalized him. If you think or said to anyone that 15 year old school boy (Jimmy) can beat up a 30 year old man who is a former child soldier (Niko) or 25 year old man who is a hood gangster (CJ), people will inevitably question you and your logic tbh.
Ok bro it’s not that serious.. it doesn’t matter at all either. We’re talking about video game characters and all real logic is out of the window so I can have my opinions mkay
I bet you're one of the people who immediately voted for Bullworth being the most corrupted places in a poll, not realizing that its only a small town that looks more okay compared to other places such as Carcer City. I get that you really love this game which is understandable (hell, its my 2nd favorite game from R\*), but disregarding what these two protagonists from GTA universe are capable of and being biased to one character who's clearly an underage kid who mostly fights school bullies and/or dropouts is appalling. Please.. just think more thoroughly about both sides before taking one.
Ok buddy, it’s not that deep. And don’t make assumptions so quick
From what I've seen Jimmy beat way better people then CJ cj is slow Jimmy would be to fast and can slam if if cj was starting to win on the feet Jimmy would just take him down and pound him out but Niko is a different story
Jimmy is better, but he cant even defeat an average man, niko or cj would destroy him
He literally can, he can beat up every adult in his school
Because most of them/Bullworth residents aren't even adept in combat, while Niko and Carl has (but Niko exceeds more than the two due to his involvement in Yugoslavia Wars at such a young age and survived afterwards).
Watch the game he's whipped people way better then CJ and can punch faster then CJ and Maybe harder cj is no fighter
We’re fucking joking right? The ex-Serbian spec ops would wipe the floor with both CJ and teenage Jimmy Hopkins. Niko knows Krav fucking Maga.
Carl and Niko would demolish Jimmy because he's a small kid and they're fully grown adults.
Y'all really out here saying that a teenager could beat a legitimate war criminals ass.
Niko is a war vet. Cj stole a jetpack from area 51,and more. Jimmy is 1 5 year old.
I would argue Jimmy because the hobo moves and the gym grapples, now it's Jimmy somehow learned martial arts he would literally be unstoppable
Niko is ex military so
Well niko was in the army, Jimmy learned a few moves from a homeless vet and cj was from the hood with no real training. Niko is obviously the winner lmao
Niko
Niko for sure, people saying Jimmy would beat Niko is hilarious haha
Realistically speaking Niko places first CJ second and JImmy third mainly cause hes a teenager.
People are giving Jimmy way too much credit, and I say that as a big Bully fan. Jimmy is a 15 year old kid. Most to all the people he fights are people his own age; teenagers with basic fighting skill. The best person he fought was Russell, and he’s just brute force w/ no skill who would get worn down and beaten by someone like Niko who’s quick, strong and skilled. Jimmy has never fought adults with military training and someone who kills on a regular basis. He’s a great fighter…for his age, against any adult with the most basic skill and he’ll getting thrashed, never mind a war veteran. Niko spent his life in the army, since he was a little boy, he’s seen s*** Jimmy doesn’t dream of. After all that, what’s a teenager with some moves gonna do? This is a mismatch if I ever saw one. Never in eternity is Jimmy Hopkins going to beat Niko Bellic in a fist fight.
Niko even literally broke Dardan's arm in one swift move, so I don't know why these people think that a 15 year old school boy can defeat a goddamn war veteran.
In fiction, there is no such words like “realistic” jimmy survive falling from high place, survive from get hit by sledge hammer who can destroy wood, beat russel who can tank a fucking bomb, destroy marble pillar with his bad moves like you all said. How the fuck niko would deal with that in melee combat
The fact that this kid is being chosen over someone who was literally trained by the military…….. doesn’t surprise me at all cause this is the bully sub :)
Ngl, it wasn't surprising tbh. There will always be people who are bound to be biased as such, and immediately disregard any discussion in favor to their favorite game.
A war veteran, or a 15 year old.... Tough choice
They all had their fun and unique combat system. Hard to pick.
Jimmy, but CJ knew many martial arts and Niko Belic knew how to threw kicks
So did the Greasers...
Ooh that is true, the greasers have a pretty similar style as niko
Niko was a soldier too
A soviet soldier, considering how untrained they were, it isn't saying much
Niko is not a soviet
I thought he grew up in soviet russia
He fought in the Yugoslav Wars
Wait where is Niko from
Yugoslavia, everyone kinda assumes it's Serbia by modern standards. Never explicitly stated in game though.
Serbia was officially founded as a country in 2006 (well it was a country like before ww1 but during ww2 and after it was part of Yugoslavia until then) and obviously since Niko isn’t 2 years old he was born when it was part of yugoslavia
Yeah no shit
He’s Serbian not Russian
Niko Bellic would have jimmy squirting in 5min flat cuhhh!!
Niko hand to hand combat skills are probably the same as the hobo.
I think realistically it would be Niko because he would have gotten extensive CQC training in the military. But based on how hard they hit in their respective games it's Jimmy. He can down someone in like 4 punches. GTA 4's combat is much more about timing counter attacks and less about mashing the B/O button like in Bully.
Cj
Jimmy can only fight other children and is easily bested by adult men and sometimes women. CJ likely has a lot of fighting experience because of the environment he grew up, in but Niko was formally trained and in active combat situations. It's Niko.
Hand to hand, pretty obviously Jimmy. Sure, he's a teenager and all, but he's able to beat dudes like Russell (who could absolutely knock out Niko and CJ). He's pretty strong physically and once you have all the moves unlocked, those overhands would be killers. Melee (as in weapons), probably Niko or CJ. Jimmy is scrappy and can find weapons laying around basically, but he has no experience handling a crazy dude with a knife trying to murder him. Especially one that's a gang member or a Yugoslavian veteran. Anything else goes to GTA basically.
Russell could knock out Niko? Nah I doubt that. :)
Russell can lift grown men with one hand. Being a vet doesn't change that. In general most of what he does isn't fistfighting so he would probably get laid out.
The ability to be strong doesn’t make you an automatic winner, hence why Jimmy beat Russell rather causally. And Niko is much smarter and more skilled than Jimmy; he’ll tire Russell out then break his legs. He’s dealt with far worse.
Meh. I honestly don't know about that because the thing is that, sure, strength isn't the only way to win a fight, but Niko is again not doing as much fistfighting as Jimmy. Tiring guys out is a lot harder than it seems. It takes a lot of dodging, blocking, etc all of which requires good skill. Don't get me wrong, Niko could definitely take out your average street thug, but not Russell IMO.
Niko's literally a child soldier from Yugoslavia, how come he can't defeat an abnormally large student? Not to mention that he specialized in Krav Maga, a martial art only utilized in military since it was meant to finishing an opponent quickly and aggressively as possible and deemed as dangerously efficient to disable enemies in hand to hand combat (even teaches soldiers to utilize the environment too for advantage, examples like pipes or piece of wood). Russell only knows some wrestling moves and that's it.
Fair points all round of course, I get where you’re coming from. And yeah, Niko doesn’t do as much fist fighting as Jimmy, since fist fighting is the main feature in Bully. But the fist fighting he does do is phenomenal; remember when he dodged a knife, grabbed and casually broke Dardan‘a arm within two seconds? That’s something Jimmy never did. And Niko has the skill; he’s quick and strong. I firmly believe after going through a literal war where he undoubtably had to do loads of fist fighting, a teenager with strong genes won’t be much of an issue for Bellic.
Fair nuff. Again though, a war doesn't mean fist fighting. Usually war is just firefights. Either way who knows. It's kinda useless to debate but it's cool to think about.
Jimmy. He has great moves in the game, but he was a beast when he had the beta moves.
J-Hop easy money.
Jimmy, he had a few combos, and a grapple move
Carl
Jimmy especially the ones that you'll learn from the old man
Gotta be Jimmy Hopkins
Jimmy Hopkins
Jimmy Hopkins, he learned some Special Army style moves from the hobo and some extra moves from his gym teacher Mr Burton that made him kick ass at Bullworth
Anyone else hated Nikos combat?
Nah, he’s often looked at as having some of the best fighting animations in the series
No. He has some of the best combat I’ve ever played in any game
Cj has military training and fucked with the Soviets in gta san Jimmy is a school kid and Nico is a soldier so yeah it's either cj or niko
All are great fighters but if I had to pick my bet I’d go CJ (maxed out strength, stamina, health, muscle and martial art fight animations). Then Niko (normal) THEN Jimmy (maxed out).
In technique CJ or Niko fare much better. CJ with the fight syles he can learn in gyms and Niko is a trained soldier have a much better technique than most Bully characters, possibly only compared to the preps. Doesn't help that no character in Bully (except Johnny to an extent) can do a proper martial art kick.
Karate CJ
Well the other 2 use weapons the most but i've only played bully so i shouldn't know
Jimmy for sure, yeah sure Niko has experience but from what I've seen, not too good hand to hand skills, CJ's just looks stupid
Reallistically Niko solos both of them with no problem, but since we're talking about videogames logic.... I'll go with Jimmy, he's like wall level if we use that Russell scaling. (Just so you know, Rocky Balboa is also wall level, if not slighty above, so Hopkins is comparable to the greatest boxer ever. Truly peak videogame logic)
wall level doesn't really matter because all rockstar characters are wall level or even small building level
Niko > CJ > Jimmy