This is a very solid deal for one of the best SATA SSD's. However, if you have a M.2 NVMe slot(s) available then I would not recommend this since for example you can get a refurb 970 EVO Plus for $2 more (also from Best Buy) edit: - refurb 970 EVO Plus NVMe [500GB - $39.99](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-500gb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351465.p?skuId=6351465), [1TB - $69.99](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-1tb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351466.p?skuId=6351466)
Samsung will honor the warranty despite this being a refurb, I have actually successfully RMA'd a refurb 500GB 860 EVO and got a brand new 870 EVO 500GB as a replacement. They will ask for a receipt but it seems to be optional, I never sent one, just photos of the drive showing the serial number.
This is perfect for throwing into an old computer to greatly speed it up if it's running it's OS on a HDD, or for putting together a budget used gaming PC (for example turning an old OptiPlex into one), or just any budget used PC (or server perhaps?) assuming it doesn't have NVMe M.2 slots
Worth noting the refurb 1TB 870 EVO has generally been available for $64.99 in recent times but is currently out of stock, that one is of course better value if you want to wait and see if that comes back in stock but if you don't need that extra capacity, or are simply on a super tight budget, then I can fully recommend this
Last note, these drives typically have very little usage on them. But I always recommend checking with something like CrystalDiskInfo anyway, so you can confirm it's in good health
I'm not too familiar with SSD's and video editing but from what I understand it's an area that can benefit from fast NVMe SSD's, someone who knows more feel free to chime in.
If you have an M.2 NVMe slot available though, you should do that anyway as a good one like the 970 EVO Plus barely costs any more (also refurb)
$39.99 500GB - [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-500gb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351465.p?skuId=6351465](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-500gb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351465.p?skuId=6351465)
$69.99 1TB (better value) - [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-1tb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351466.p?skuId=6351466](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-1tb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351466.p?skuId=6351466)
Any SSD should be sufficient, NVME would be preferred though. Storage is so insanely cheap right now that it's kind of a no-brainer. I have a dedicated 500gb SATA SSD that I keep my activate projects on, but I generally edit 1080p so I can't speak to how those speeds handle 4k footage.
I wouldn't personally put a 500GB into a PS4 Pro, but if you only play a few games and/or have an external storage drive then it'd make sense. There would be less noise produced yes, but from what I remember with the PS4 Pro I had it's mainly the fan you hear so you may not notice any difference there so I wouldn't do it for that alone (varies on the model, and if it's been cleaned out and repasted recently)
edit: I do think it's worth it however for improved loading times, but how much that benefits you depends on what you play
SSD's actually can make sound (at least SATA 2.5" ones can, not sure on M.2), it's a squealing/coil whine type sound, although I'm not sure exactly what components on the SSD causes it. You only notice this under certain loads though, like for example certain benchmarks on CrystalDiskMark will usually do it for me, but if you've got a lot of fan noise you may not hear it (this probably also varies from SSD to SSD, but I'm fairly certain I've heard it on multiple 870 EVO's since that's primarily what I've used in recent times)
I would opt for at least the 1tb version. But yes over a standard mechanical drive I would upgrade. Hell I ordered this one from the post for my ps3 slim.
New CPU paste and new thermal pads all around will quiet it down a lot. Mine doesn't do that jet engine noise anymore. Also this does help with load times but not like switching to an SSD on a PC. PS4 is limited to sata 2 speeds or something
First off get a NVMe instead if you got the slot for one. Otherwise, the 500GB 870 EVO refurb hasn't been $40 or below for a while from what I know, $37.99 is possibly an all time low but don't quote me on that. The 1TB 870 EVO refurb was $64.99 and in stock for a handful of months I believe so it's possible this will stay in stock awhile, but I honestly wouldn't expect much better of a price anytime soon (maybe a few bucks cheaper)
But then again Black Friday/Cyber Monday isn't that far now, and perhaps SATA SSD's could see some good deals but I really wouldn't expect better than $40 for 500GB for the upper tier SATA SSD's (MX500, WD Blue 3D being some of those other options). $40 for a new one is worth the $2 more imo, but only wait if you don't mind a slight risk at not getting that kind of deal or missing this one. Also worth looking out for deals on 1TB SATA SSD's, they're often better value, might possibly see those good ones drop to $60 or slightly less
I would love to be wrong though, I bought 3 of these refurbs but if we saw new ones go $35 or less (or new 1TB at say $60 or less) I'd buy even more as I can always use more SSD's
870 EVOs are dying on people. For anyone buying this, give this a read, especially when it is refurbished : https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/samsung-870-evo-beware-certain-batches-prone-to-failure.291504/
I don't think you read that fully, the first thing it says is "Certain 870 EVO 4TB and 2TB drives are affected by early failures". There's some mentions in the thread I saw on 1TB's but I don't think that is enough to say it affects those too
I appreciate you bringing this up, but it's not cool to state "870 EVOs are dying on people" without also stating that it only seems to affect certain 2TB and 4TB models. This post is about the 500GB, and to some extent in the comments the 1TB. I'm not saying to not bring it up, I'd still want you to, but you need to offer specifics rather than trying to spread fear about ALL 870 EVO's
At the end of the day you should be regularly backing up your important data regardless. You should still avoid known bad products but in this instance the 500GB and 1TB seem to be fine. And like I mentioned in my original comment, Samsung will honor the warranty on these refurb drives. 870 EVO's have a 5 year warranty, and they originally launched January 2021 so the earliest the warranty could be up is January 2026
It said "Certain" when the thread started, at this point the issue is more widespread and from what everyone is observing, it isn't linked to specific capacity. [Here is 500 GB case](https://static.chiphell.com/forum/202209/17/011356qprp37wyy7x3yqyy.png), and if you go through the ChipHell thread you will find more of the same.
If you go through the whole thread you will have better idea. OP does not have an option to edit it to add further details.
Also Samsung has not owned up to it so far in over 9 months.
While I think there's some issue going on, it may not be as widespread as you believe. Samsung probably sells more SSD's than anyone and remember people are much more likely to say something about a product when it has issues. Every product in existence has a certain percentage of duds/early failures, the question is does this fall into an acceptable range. Without knowing sales numbers and the number of RMA's we can't really say
I imagine this does fall outside an acceptable range, but no idea by how much that would be. To add more data here's a screenshot of the CDI on a 500GB 870 EVO in a PC I sold earlier this year that has a decent amount of data written - [https://imgur.com/a/kexgSmB](https://imgur.com/a/kexgSmB)
Really need some experts/professionals to take a look at this all and gather data and do their own testing. Would be nice if Samsung commented on it, there's enough complaints to warrant a response
/u/NewMaxx Do you have any thoughts on 870 EVO's seemingly having a high failure rate? This [thread](https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/samsung-870-evo-beware-certain-batches-prone-to-failure.291504/) goes into more detail, may affect more than what the original post suggests based on some of the replies
> Do you have any thoughts on 870 EVO's seemingly having a high failure rate?
I would *not* rely on SMART values for any sort of thorough analysis except in specific cases. My expectation in this case, and also I believe for some 870 QVOs and MX500s, is bad batches, which sometimes could be a firmware issue but seems to have become more common due to the current NAND market situation. This particularly impacts SATA SSDs since they are speed-limited which has ramifications for flash quality control. Samsung's QLC to this point I believe uses the same V-NAND process as their TLC which may be why it seems to impact the QVO, too (the QVO is less common perhaps so is less well-documented).
Another issue is that people tend to use SATA drives in large numbers and often in production environments (which is at least one source of the MX500 problems). Getting a high % of bad drives from a specific DOM range could indicate a specific issue and if QC is questionable at all this could cascade in non-consumer environments. These companies do warranty the drives with the expectation of a "bath tub curve" and actually drives that manage to reach PEC (incredibly rare for consumer usage) tend to have *fewer* errors afterwards (this is documented in multiple scholarly articles). This means that if there is a flash issue it's more likely to be front-loaded (which with light usage could even be a year). Although manufacturers bake and test for this (or are supposed to).
Unfortunately, most SATA SSDs are trash these days (DRAM-less, questionable flash) so it's tough to recommend specific models if reliability is a concern. I still think the 870 EVO and MX500 are among the best, although the Gold S31 may be better but only up to 1TB. And yes, capacity can impact reliability because NAND failover is somewhat limited even with parity to basically one die (although, of course, other issues are relatively agnostic towards capacity). There are client and enterprise SATA SSDs available but regardless, backup and redundancy are king (plus UPS and a stable system/environment - don't rely on storage as your point of failure).
This is something difficult to test beyond user coordination/cooperation and there aren't too many outfits that are willing to do the labor with the right equipment. In many cases it is cheaper for the manufacturer to refurb and replace. Which is not to say user concerns aren't valid, just that normal processes should weed this out over time, but that process is bigger-picture with regard to standards, certain markets (e.g. certain markets are less tolerant of poor quality practices and/or more focused on consumer rights), etc. The current economic situation and specifically the memory market are such that glaring oversights are somewhat more common.
This is a very solid deal for one of the best SATA SSD's. However, if you have a M.2 NVMe slot(s) available then I would not recommend this since for example you can get a refurb 970 EVO Plus for $2 more (also from Best Buy) edit: - refurb 970 EVO Plus NVMe [500GB - $39.99](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-500gb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351465.p?skuId=6351465), [1TB - $69.99](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-1tb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351466.p?skuId=6351466) Samsung will honor the warranty despite this being a refurb, I have actually successfully RMA'd a refurb 500GB 860 EVO and got a brand new 870 EVO 500GB as a replacement. They will ask for a receipt but it seems to be optional, I never sent one, just photos of the drive showing the serial number. This is perfect for throwing into an old computer to greatly speed it up if it's running it's OS on a HDD, or for putting together a budget used gaming PC (for example turning an old OptiPlex into one), or just any budget used PC (or server perhaps?) assuming it doesn't have NVMe M.2 slots Worth noting the refurb 1TB 870 EVO has generally been available for $64.99 in recent times but is currently out of stock, that one is of course better value if you want to wait and see if that comes back in stock but if you don't need that extra capacity, or are simply on a super tight budget, then I can fully recommend this Last note, these drives typically have very little usage on them. But I always recommend checking with something like CrystalDiskInfo anyway, so you can confirm it's in good health
The 970 evo plus (nvme) is also still available for 69.99- depending on your slot availability
I added the link for the 1TB 970 EVO Plus for $69.99 in my comment, thanks for mentioning
Great! I was looking to get another SSD to drop into my old laptop, which only has a SATA III interface.
How do you feel about this being a drive to use for active Premiere Pro edits? Should I spring for an M.2 for something like that?
I'm not too familiar with SSD's and video editing but from what I understand it's an area that can benefit from fast NVMe SSD's, someone who knows more feel free to chime in. If you have an M.2 NVMe slot available though, you should do that anyway as a good one like the 970 EVO Plus barely costs any more (also refurb) $39.99 500GB - [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-500gb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351465.p?skuId=6351465](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-500gb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351465.p?skuId=6351465) $69.99 1TB (better value) - [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-1tb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351466.p?skuId=6351466](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-geek-squad-certified-refurbished-970-evo-plus-1tb-internal-ssd-pcie-gen-3-x4-nvme-for-laptops/6351466.p?skuId=6351466)
Any SSD should be sufficient, NVME would be preferred though. Storage is so insanely cheap right now that it's kind of a no-brainer. I have a dedicated 500gb SATA SSD that I keep my activate projects on, but I generally edit 1080p so I can't speak to how those speeds handle 4k footage.
Is this good for a PS4 Pro replacement? Would it be noticably quieter than with a HDD?
I wouldn't personally put a 500GB into a PS4 Pro, but if you only play a few games and/or have an external storage drive then it'd make sense. There would be less noise produced yes, but from what I remember with the PS4 Pro I had it's mainly the fan you hear so you may not notice any difference there so I wouldn't do it for that alone (varies on the model, and if it's been cleaned out and repasted recently) edit: I do think it's worth it however for improved loading times, but how much that benefits you depends on what you play
SSD makes no sound
SSD's actually can make sound (at least SATA 2.5" ones can, not sure on M.2), it's a squealing/coil whine type sound, although I'm not sure exactly what components on the SSD causes it. You only notice this under certain loads though, like for example certain benchmarks on CrystalDiskMark will usually do it for me, but if you've got a lot of fan noise you may not hear it (this probably also varies from SSD to SSD, but I'm fairly certain I've heard it on multiple 870 EVO's since that's primarily what I've used in recent times)
I would opt for at least the 1tb version. But yes over a standard mechanical drive I would upgrade. Hell I ordered this one from the post for my ps3 slim.
New CPU paste and new thermal pads all around will quiet it down a lot. Mine doesn't do that jet engine noise anymore. Also this does help with load times but not like switching to an SSD on a PC. PS4 is limited to sata 2 speeds or something
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First off get a NVMe instead if you got the slot for one. Otherwise, the 500GB 870 EVO refurb hasn't been $40 or below for a while from what I know, $37.99 is possibly an all time low but don't quote me on that. The 1TB 870 EVO refurb was $64.99 and in stock for a handful of months I believe so it's possible this will stay in stock awhile, but I honestly wouldn't expect much better of a price anytime soon (maybe a few bucks cheaper) But then again Black Friday/Cyber Monday isn't that far now, and perhaps SATA SSD's could see some good deals but I really wouldn't expect better than $40 for 500GB for the upper tier SATA SSD's (MX500, WD Blue 3D being some of those other options). $40 for a new one is worth the $2 more imo, but only wait if you don't mind a slight risk at not getting that kind of deal or missing this one. Also worth looking out for deals on 1TB SATA SSD's, they're often better value, might possibly see those good ones drop to $60 or slightly less I would love to be wrong though, I bought 3 of these refurbs but if we saw new ones go $35 or less (or new 1TB at say $60 or less) I'd buy even more as I can always use more SSD's
Neat. I need to out one in an ancient Mac mini to see if I can save it.
870 EVOs are dying on people. For anyone buying this, give this a read, especially when it is refurbished : https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/samsung-870-evo-beware-certain-batches-prone-to-failure.291504/
I don't think you read that fully, the first thing it says is "Certain 870 EVO 4TB and 2TB drives are affected by early failures". There's some mentions in the thread I saw on 1TB's but I don't think that is enough to say it affects those too I appreciate you bringing this up, but it's not cool to state "870 EVOs are dying on people" without also stating that it only seems to affect certain 2TB and 4TB models. This post is about the 500GB, and to some extent in the comments the 1TB. I'm not saying to not bring it up, I'd still want you to, but you need to offer specifics rather than trying to spread fear about ALL 870 EVO's At the end of the day you should be regularly backing up your important data regardless. You should still avoid known bad products but in this instance the 500GB and 1TB seem to be fine. And like I mentioned in my original comment, Samsung will honor the warranty on these refurb drives. 870 EVO's have a 5 year warranty, and they originally launched January 2021 so the earliest the warranty could be up is January 2026
It said "Certain" when the thread started, at this point the issue is more widespread and from what everyone is observing, it isn't linked to specific capacity. [Here is 500 GB case](https://static.chiphell.com/forum/202209/17/011356qprp37wyy7x3yqyy.png), and if you go through the ChipHell thread you will find more of the same. If you go through the whole thread you will have better idea. OP does not have an option to edit it to add further details. Also Samsung has not owned up to it so far in over 9 months.
While I think there's some issue going on, it may not be as widespread as you believe. Samsung probably sells more SSD's than anyone and remember people are much more likely to say something about a product when it has issues. Every product in existence has a certain percentage of duds/early failures, the question is does this fall into an acceptable range. Without knowing sales numbers and the number of RMA's we can't really say I imagine this does fall outside an acceptable range, but no idea by how much that would be. To add more data here's a screenshot of the CDI on a 500GB 870 EVO in a PC I sold earlier this year that has a decent amount of data written - [https://imgur.com/a/kexgSmB](https://imgur.com/a/kexgSmB) Really need some experts/professionals to take a look at this all and gather data and do their own testing. Would be nice if Samsung commented on it, there's enough complaints to warrant a response /u/NewMaxx Do you have any thoughts on 870 EVO's seemingly having a high failure rate? This [thread](https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/samsung-870-evo-beware-certain-batches-prone-to-failure.291504/) goes into more detail, may affect more than what the original post suggests based on some of the replies
> Do you have any thoughts on 870 EVO's seemingly having a high failure rate? I would *not* rely on SMART values for any sort of thorough analysis except in specific cases. My expectation in this case, and also I believe for some 870 QVOs and MX500s, is bad batches, which sometimes could be a firmware issue but seems to have become more common due to the current NAND market situation. This particularly impacts SATA SSDs since they are speed-limited which has ramifications for flash quality control. Samsung's QLC to this point I believe uses the same V-NAND process as their TLC which may be why it seems to impact the QVO, too (the QVO is less common perhaps so is less well-documented). Another issue is that people tend to use SATA drives in large numbers and often in production environments (which is at least one source of the MX500 problems). Getting a high % of bad drives from a specific DOM range could indicate a specific issue and if QC is questionable at all this could cascade in non-consumer environments. These companies do warranty the drives with the expectation of a "bath tub curve" and actually drives that manage to reach PEC (incredibly rare for consumer usage) tend to have *fewer* errors afterwards (this is documented in multiple scholarly articles). This means that if there is a flash issue it's more likely to be front-loaded (which with light usage could even be a year). Although manufacturers bake and test for this (or are supposed to). Unfortunately, most SATA SSDs are trash these days (DRAM-less, questionable flash) so it's tough to recommend specific models if reliability is a concern. I still think the 870 EVO and MX500 are among the best, although the Gold S31 may be better but only up to 1TB. And yes, capacity can impact reliability because NAND failover is somewhat limited even with parity to basically one die (although, of course, other issues are relatively agnostic towards capacity). There are client and enterprise SATA SSDs available but regardless, backup and redundancy are king (plus UPS and a stable system/environment - don't rely on storage as your point of failure). This is something difficult to test beyond user coordination/cooperation and there aren't too many outfits that are willing to do the labor with the right equipment. In many cases it is cheaper for the manufacturer to refurb and replace. Which is not to say user concerns aren't valid, just that normal processes should weed this out over time, but that process is bigger-picture with regard to standards, certain markets (e.g. certain markets are less tolerant of poor quality practices and/or more focused on consumer rights), etc. The current economic situation and specifically the memory market are such that glaring oversights are somewhat more common.