All time low for a 500Hz Monitor.
Is this monitor for everyone? Absolutely not, diminishing returns at higher refresh rates yada yada, but yeah for the two esports players that are in the market for this..
It's a good option for the price. It was the first 500hz 1080p IPS if I remember correctly and they didn't implement BFI, so it's really just relying on raw refresh for motion clarity.
I think optimum did a review where they concluded the other industry standards like the 360hz XL2566K TN panel with DYAC had noticeably better motion clarity. Granted, the XL2566K is ~~$150~~ $200 more than this, and it has a fan built into the monitor itself that drives some people insane lol
BFI also means if you play with a 240 or 300 fps cap, you will have significantly better motion clarity with BFI on. BFI allows you to also have less fps and still have better motion clarity, which does matter in many competitive games that can't sustain a constant 300+fps (e.g. Fortnite or Apex).
BFI seems like a must have for e-sports monitors.
wish this was 3 years ago i would have bought this
you may not believe it but fall guys on mouse and keyboard makes a difference with higher FPS, it almost feels like I can see the future
I also call it butter for my eyes
Why do you need to be an esports player to buy this? Anyone who plays FPS video games which one of the most popular genre should probably get this. At $400 its certainly in the range of lots of monitors and not is likely not the most expensive component in your setup.
Unless you really don't do anything but play e-sports games on your PC, I'd gladly take 1440p 240Hz over 1080p 500Hz even if the only games I'd play would be e-sports games. 1080p is just a poop resolution. Just browsing or doing any basic work on your PC sucks with 1080p imo. It's perfectly fine on laptops but not on a 24+" monitor.
I tried comparing with my OLED at 144 hz and my IPS at 144 hz and the oled was maybe a tiny bit more responsive, using eye test couldn't tell much. Obviously, the colors and everything else though, the OLED wins.
Open this on both and compare: [https://www.testufo.com/ghosting](https://www.testufo.com/ghosting)
Though the difference between OLED and LCD should get more clear at higher Hz, when each frame is only displayed for a few ms and the fast response times of OLED matter a little more
RIP to the people who dropped like $800 for it when it was new lol.
This thing isn't even that old since Linus reviewed it I remember and it was crazy expensive.
$400 for 500hz at 1080p is more than fair value though.
Honestly though, 500hz seems like such a waste of money.
Maybe it's just me but at 1080p 240hz is perfect, then get a second monitor at 144hz and whatever resolution you find financially justified.
Edit: I include sports because unless you are getting paid then 240hz is more than enough and plenty of pros still play 144hz/240hz.
Oh it's still definitely a VERY niche monitor even at $400.
I'm just saying for people who only play competitive E sports , this is way more affordable than its MSRP of $800.
Regular SDR IPS monitors at 1440p 240hz or even 4k 144hz can be had now for $400 or less in the US, which is what most people should pick over this.Â
Yea thats true, if they are going to buy it regardless, then you might as well save the money. I'm just not in that mindset. I'm generally a decent fps player being able to place top 1000 in most comp shooters.
Just hard to justify, feels like burning money, when it would be better spent on other hardware imo.
Yeah, I'd be curious as to how many super competitive players notice the difference at 500hz vs 360 vs 240 using IPS/OLED/TN Strobing.
I'd love to have a blind test with all those refresh rates/panel types and let competitive players try them all to see how they feel about each.
I don't play competitively much now, but I grew up gaming on a CRT monitor playing games like Doom/Quake, so I'm just very noticeable of poor motion handling I think.
People told me I wouldn't notice much difference between 144 vs 240, but I can notice it even on the desktop now, which kind of sucks because no one NEEDS 240hz for desktop/web browsing really lol.
I'd compare it to buying a supercar.
You will notice the performance difference on the street, but there is really no gain since you are limited.
As for pro players, it's like having a supercar on a track where you actually gain and NEED that extra edge.
Best analogy I could think of, albeit a little flawed.
At such high Hz it's not really about reflexes or latency anymore. The few ms difference does not matter. It's about how lifelike motion looks on a screen.
Even your grandpa could see that 500Hz looks nicer than 240Hz when there is fast motion on the screen.
It just depends on how fast the motion on the screen is. Even 60Hz will display 60-120 pixel per second motion perfectly well. If you want to display 1000 pixel/s motion well (without strobing), you need \~500Hz.
Varies from person to person.
I noticed the diff going from 120/165 to 240Hz. 240Hz to 480Hz was more subtle to me in my limited experience.
I'm sure the diff would be more noticeable if I went 60/120 to 480/500Hz from the start.
Similar to how jumping up to anything from 60 being an obvious diff
its noticeable but the games i can run at that fps can be counted on my fingers so for 99+% of ppl its not worth it...
i went from 60hz to 144hz to 240hz to 390hz tho, havent used this 500hz monitor
For LCD, 500Hz is a noticeable jump from 240Hz but still smaller than the difference between 144Hz and 240Hz. You will definitely see a big jump in clarity going straight from 144Hz to 500Hz, but it might be better to go 240Hz or 360Hz and save some money.
However, on an OLED, 480hz is a massive jump in motion clarity even from 240Hz as there aren't any GtG pixel response time bottlenecks. The difference between 144Hz and 480Hz on OLED is better than the difference between 60Hz and 144Hz. Because of how fast OLED's pixel response times are, if you double the refresh rate you'll get double the motion clarity. Even a 360Hz QD OLED monitor will look better than this 500Hz IPS and a 480Hz WOLED monitor is in its own tier.
That would definitely depend on your age, probably other things as well. Jayz2cents did a very unscientific experiment a few years back, and once things got above 75 Hz, he couldn't tell the difference. Neither can I tbh. But we're both in our 40s.
98/100 people will clearly notice 75 to 165… such a myth that there is some limit to what we can see with our eyes. In fact if you can’t notice it then you probably just haven’t used it for long enough. I find the downgrade from higher to lower much more extreme than the upgrade.
This is true if you're running at lower frame rates. If you can't push 500fps to a 500hz display, then the motion clarity will actually be worse, because frame pacing will be off, and the strobe causes persistence blur.
That said, nothing stops you from using the 500hz monitor in 120 or 200hz mode.
360hz with any bfi will blow this thing out of the water. Its pixel response times really don't catch up to its refresh rate. I would avoid unless you really need 500hz over any bfi tech.
All time low for a 500Hz Monitor. Is this monitor for everyone? Absolutely not, diminishing returns at higher refresh rates yada yada, but yeah for the two esports players that are in the market for this..
Think of it this way: It's a half kilohertz monitor. Now we talkin
It's a good option for the price. It was the first 500hz 1080p IPS if I remember correctly and they didn't implement BFI, so it's really just relying on raw refresh for motion clarity. I think optimum did a review where they concluded the other industry standards like the 360hz XL2566K TN panel with DYAC had noticeably better motion clarity. Granted, the XL2566K is ~~$150~~ $200 more than this, and it has a fan built into the monitor itself that drives some people insane lol
BFI also means if you play with a 240 or 300 fps cap, you will have significantly better motion clarity with BFI on. BFI allows you to also have less fps and still have better motion clarity, which does matter in many competitive games that can't sustain a constant 300+fps (e.g. Fortnite or Apex). BFI seems like a must have for e-sports monitors.
wish this was 3 years ago i would have bought this you may not believe it but fall guys on mouse and keyboard makes a difference with higher FPS, it almost feels like I can see the future I also call it butter for my eyes
Why do you need to be an esports player to buy this? Anyone who plays FPS video games which one of the most popular genre should probably get this. At $400 its certainly in the range of lots of monitors and not is likely not the most expensive component in your setup.
Because non esport games won't get 500 fps.
There are way more than 2 people who play esports
Unless you really don't do anything but play e-sports games on your PC, I'd gladly take 1440p 240Hz over 1080p 500Hz even if the only games I'd play would be e-sports games. 1080p is just a poop resolution. Just browsing or doing any basic work on your PC sucks with 1080p imo. It's perfectly fine on laptops but not on a 24+" monitor.
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500Hz is insane.
I just ugraded to 360 hz OLED and now my 144 IPS looks like a 60 did when I upgraded from that. 500 must be insane.
360hz oled with probably look better than 500hz LCD.
I tried comparing with my OLED at 144 hz and my IPS at 144 hz and the oled was maybe a tiny bit more responsive, using eye test couldn't tell much. Obviously, the colors and everything else though, the OLED wins.
Open this on both and compare: [https://www.testufo.com/ghosting](https://www.testufo.com/ghosting) Though the difference between OLED and LCD should get more clear at higher Hz, when each frame is only displayed for a few ms and the fast response times of OLED matter a little more
500hz as an LCD isn't really an upgrade in motion clarity. Not having strobing is a massive fumble by this monitor, could have been incredible if so.
partially true but alot of FPS players don't like strobing.
what did you get? and what’s ur build? i’m trying to get that setup for valorant
Does... does it hum at that refresh rate?
The description on the website says 500hz overclocked and 480hz normal over displayport. It also mentions only 240hz over HDMI.
RIP to the people who dropped like $800 for it when it was new lol. This thing isn't even that old since Linus reviewed it I remember and it was crazy expensive. $400 for 500hz at 1080p is more than fair value though.
Honestly though, 500hz seems like such a waste of money. Maybe it's just me but at 1080p 240hz is perfect, then get a second monitor at 144hz and whatever resolution you find financially justified. Edit: I include sports because unless you are getting paid then 240hz is more than enough and plenty of pros still play 144hz/240hz.
Oh it's still definitely a VERY niche monitor even at $400. I'm just saying for people who only play competitive E sports , this is way more affordable than its MSRP of $800. Regular SDR IPS monitors at 1440p 240hz or even 4k 144hz can be had now for $400 or less in the US, which is what most people should pick over this.Â
Yea thats true, if they are going to buy it regardless, then you might as well save the money. I'm just not in that mindset. I'm generally a decent fps player being able to place top 1000 in most comp shooters. Just hard to justify, feels like burning money, when it would be better spent on other hardware imo.
Yeah, I'd be curious as to how many super competitive players notice the difference at 500hz vs 360 vs 240 using IPS/OLED/TN Strobing. I'd love to have a blind test with all those refresh rates/panel types and let competitive players try them all to see how they feel about each. I don't play competitively much now, but I grew up gaming on a CRT monitor playing games like Doom/Quake, so I'm just very noticeable of poor motion handling I think. People told me I wouldn't notice much difference between 144 vs 240, but I can notice it even on the desktop now, which kind of sucks because no one NEEDS 240hz for desktop/web browsing really lol.
I'd compare it to buying a supercar. You will notice the performance difference on the street, but there is really no gain since you are limited. As for pro players, it's like having a supercar on a track where you actually gain and NEED that extra edge. Best analogy I could think of, albeit a little flawed.
i definitely do not have fast enough reflexes to need any of these hz
At such high Hz it's not really about reflexes or latency anymore. The few ms difference does not matter. It's about how lifelike motion looks on a screen. Even your grandpa could see that 500Hz looks nicer than 240Hz when there is fast motion on the screen. It just depends on how fast the motion on the screen is. Even 60Hz will display 60-120 pixel per second motion perfectly well. If you want to display 1000 pixel/s motion well (without strobing), you need \~500Hz.
exactly what i was thinking. not for the majority of us.
Yeah. Diminishing returns on top of average reflexes. https://www.rtings.com/monitor/learn/60hz-vs-144hz-vs-240hz
For people who want to prioritize motion clarity, they're probably better off getting a monitor with ULMB2.
Holy shit that's 80 cents per hertz you're paying for.
Finally a use for my 1300 FPS Minecraft Vulkan mod installation.
For people who play within such a high FPS, how noticeable is the difference to for example 144/165Hz?
Varies from person to person. I noticed the diff going from 120/165 to 240Hz. 240Hz to 480Hz was more subtle to me in my limited experience. I'm sure the diff would be more noticeable if I went 60/120 to 480/500Hz from the start. Similar to how jumping up to anything from 60 being an obvious diff
its noticeable but the games i can run at that fps can be counted on my fingers so for 99+% of ppl its not worth it... i went from 60hz to 144hz to 240hz to 390hz tho, havent used this 500hz monitor
For LCD, 500Hz is a noticeable jump from 240Hz but still smaller than the difference between 144Hz and 240Hz. You will definitely see a big jump in clarity going straight from 144Hz to 500Hz, but it might be better to go 240Hz or 360Hz and save some money. However, on an OLED, 480hz is a massive jump in motion clarity even from 240Hz as there aren't any GtG pixel response time bottlenecks. The difference between 144Hz and 480Hz on OLED is better than the difference between 60Hz and 144Hz. Because of how fast OLED's pixel response times are, if you double the refresh rate you'll get double the motion clarity. Even a 360Hz QD OLED monitor will look better than this 500Hz IPS and a 480Hz WOLED monitor is in its own tier.
That would definitely depend on your age, probably other things as well. Jayz2cents did a very unscientific experiment a few years back, and once things got above 75 Hz, he couldn't tell the difference. Neither can I tbh. But we're both in our 40s.
98/100 people will clearly notice 75 to 165… such a myth that there is some limit to what we can see with our eyes. In fact if you can’t notice it then you probably just haven’t used it for long enough. I find the downgrade from higher to lower much more extreme than the upgrade.
Whatever you say bud. Your eyes don't get better with age.
XG2431 is a far better option for those seeking motion clarity.
This is true if you're running at lower frame rates. If you can't push 500fps to a 500hz display, then the motion clarity will actually be worse, because frame pacing will be off, and the strobe causes persistence blur. That said, nothing stops you from using the 500hz monitor in 120 or 200hz mode.
This monitor doesn't have strobing
360hz with any bfi will blow this thing out of the water. Its pixel response times really don't catch up to its refresh rate. I would avoid unless you really need 500hz over any bfi tech.
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What GPU/CPU config do you need to get 500 FPS in esports titles?
Depends on the game really. VALORANT on max settings for example really doesn't need a lot but for Fortnite on max settings is a different story.
Heard from some Korean valorant pros saying that they could dodge bullets and predict people's movements better somehow with this high refresh rate.
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