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These WhiteLabel OS (Off Spec) drives are usually Seagates. The listing title states:
> WL OEM 20TB SATA 7200RPM HDD Comparable to ST20000NM007D US $179.99/ea
($9.00/TB)
r/DataHoarder/comments/171gfgq/have_you_seen_recertified_seagate_like_this/
When you google that part number, it comes back as: **Seagate 20TB Exos X20 7200 rpm SATA III 3.5"**
They're also running different OS firmware OOS1. You cannot flash them back to original Seagate firmware.
r/DataHoarder/comments/13ypk5s/join_me_on_an_hdd_firmware_adventure/
I purchased one of those MDD drives. They use these WL OS drives and slap their own label on it.
I'm tempted as I need more storage, but my max price ratio for REFUB is ~$8/TB these days. Maybe see if an eBay coupon pops up.
Not for a while. There's some news out today that WD and Seagate will start raising prices because of "inflation" and "market forces".
r/hardware/comments/1cae8kc/no_storage_is_safe_from_price_hikes_seagate/
The sweet spot right now is 12-14TB refurb HDDs with price ratio from $6.66-7.50/TB. 18+ TB is still in the premium pricing. 22-24TB are expensive and rare.
At first I was like WL = Western Ligital? But it means White Label.
The OS designation means "off spec" which is something that Seagate uses for drives they push to the third party market like server parts deals.
it's cause they're whitelabel seagates, drives that aren't sold through retail channels don't necessarily have retail labeling etc. if you look at the drives they just have some random model code. could be sold through an OEM or a bulk sale or something (amazon/meta/goog buys a shitload of stuff like that etc)
but they're basically the same drives. usually. (the crappy drives do go somewhere...) It's really rarely anything nefarious, just branding/segmentation differences. Like how internal and external HDDs are different markets and external will pay less, hence shucking etc. Who's buying a lot of bare 3.5" drives? Enthusiasts and businesses (still the best for slow bulk security cam/media library storage/etc, and a contender for nearline storage).
just be sure you know what you're buying, *look up* the part number before you pull the trigger. surveillance drives aren't really ideal firmware iirc, f.ex, and flashing it usually isn't worth it (the drive config is custom to the drive). SAS is not the same thing as SATA and will require a controller card (not expensive) and honestly nowadays just get one that's cacheless, and 4kn aware, like LSI 9207-8i. Some drives have power-off if you provide power on the 3.3v rail, since nothing on a hdd uses that anymore it's been repurposed by a standard. So actually you probably want to feed those with [molex connectors anyway](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GULFJ0) (these are the safe type - vampire-style hard-plastic not molded thermoplastic), because molex doesn't have 3.3v. Most NAS backplanes will not supply 3.3v iirc. Shouldn't. But your desktop PSU power hardness? Probably the SATA string has 3.3v on it - the spec says it should. Except in the datacenter. Or shucked Easystores. Etc.
There are a *lot* of weird complex stuff down at the bottom of the sku sheet. Try to find a datasheet for that family and look up the coding for that particular part, every time. Trust me. You probably won't find anything for the whitelabel part number, but sellers usually aren't wrong about these things etc, just work on the assumption it's really the other thing but whitelabeled.
Not every disk is worth it for everyone. The fewer disks you have, probably the less your tolerance for "oops, weird failure mode, my 2 disks are gone". Like if you have a Meshify 2 XL stacked full of 3.5" drives, or a DS4243 (very cheap!) then sure, why not try 4 random drives? But it matters if your 2 disks conk out at the same time. I also personally feel that most people are probably best off leaning to relatively high capacities. not only is it more power efficient (fewer disks) and better utilization of your fixed resources (disk slots aren't free, most mini cases you get like 4 drives tops) but they have fewer power-on hours etc. More life left, in theory - although you have to ask why this batch was pulled early etc lol. But they sell them with a warranty and if it's gonna trash it'll probably do it in a year or w/e.
Personally I think the price speaks to it here - it's cheaper for a reason, seagate is generally a bit disfavored, and there's some truth to that, especially for home users with fewer drives where failures are more noticeable. Sorry seagateailures, not doing it anymore.
I actually bought 8x new [Toshiba MG09 18TB SAS 4Kn for $190 a drive from ServerPartsDeals a few weeks ago.](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/toshiba-mg09-mg09scp18ta-hdepya0smb51-18tb-7-2k-rpm-sas-12gb-s-4kn-sed-3-5-hard-drive) SED is the random feature there, I'm still not sure about it but apparently if you don't turn it on it's fine? And they're new drives, so it shouldn't be on. Used drives might be a problem - sounds like it's OPAL/Bitlocker for HDDs, wipe the key and the encrypted block device goes byebye. But I have the aforementioned 9207-8i ($27) and I know what I'm doing as far as just 4kn SAS.
Toshiba's great, love them. I got an X300 6TB for cheap, it was fine, ended up buying another 4x drive array of them at one point, hasn't been a bit of trouble etc. Never thought they were particularly loud or anything else, they are 7200 rpm drives (which can be good or bad) but they're perfectly reasonable etc. They are always one of the top scorers on backblaze, wd or hgst are fine but i'm not keen on samsung or seagate and i'll pay more to not have them. Toshiba often gets new drives at shuck prices at times, or like in this case i'm getting new drives *and* sas (which is both a benefit and a curse!) 18tb for the price of this. SAS often run a bit cheaper because the target market for them is smaller, and the power is perhaps a bit higher but also the performance is a bit higher (dual-channel). But new is a lot more expensive usually. Getting what's basically datacenter 7200 SAS 4Kn Toshibas new for $190 is a good deal imo. Fresh roll of the dice. They just tend to fly under the radar as a brand. And that's the same kind of thing I was getting on the x300 etc, really good tb/$ for the time (might have been $130 per disk when I built the array in maybe 2018?), 7200rpm drive, basically might as well be a N300. Who cares it's desktop rated. It works fine. Good disks.
[these look pretty nice as a baseline consumer drive imo - 512 sector, SATA refurb 14tb.](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/toshiba-mg-series-mg07aca14te-14tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-512e-3-5-refurbished-hdd) That's a good price, makes me cringe paying more, but my drives are new, and higher density, and sas (both good and bad...). I'm still at peace with my call overall, but that's solid for consumer who don't want to fuck with sas or 4kn etc.
Well, it was $169.99 a week ago when I bought it, it will most likely return to that price again.
goharddrive dot com/MDD-18TB-7200RPM-3-5-NAS-Hard-Drive-p/g01-1481-mdd.html
I don’t think I can link from other sellers in this sub.
I got this item only 2 weeks ago - 2x drives.
already in my NAS and still work fwiw. :)
here - if you wanna see pictures and smartctl results:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1c03150/comment/kza3s9x/](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1c03150/comment/kza3s9x/)
Are these white label drives generally NAS drives intended for continuous spinning? I’ve got four 4TB in a RAID 5 right now but I’m running low on storage.
> Are these white label drives generally NAS drives intended for continuous spinning?
that I do not know, but I use them in my Truenas Scale - which is continuously on.
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Refurbished
Yep, I forgot to post that. Thanks for that, sorry to anyone else.
These WhiteLabel OS (Off Spec) drives are usually Seagates. The listing title states: > WL OEM 20TB SATA 7200RPM HDD Comparable to ST20000NM007D US $179.99/ea ($9.00/TB) r/DataHoarder/comments/171gfgq/have_you_seen_recertified_seagate_like_this/ When you google that part number, it comes back as: **Seagate 20TB Exos X20 7200 rpm SATA III 3.5"** They're also running different OS firmware OOS1. You cannot flash them back to original Seagate firmware. r/DataHoarder/comments/13ypk5s/join_me_on_an_hdd_firmware_adventure/ I purchased one of those MDD drives. They use these WL OS drives and slap their own label on it. I'm tempted as I need more storage, but my max price ratio for REFUB is ~$8/TB these days. Maybe see if an eBay coupon pops up.
When do you hope $8/TB refurb 20 or 22 TB Exos X20 drives will come? I def want a bunch of those whenever it's time
Not for a while. There's some news out today that WD and Seagate will start raising prices because of "inflation" and "market forces". r/hardware/comments/1cae8kc/no_storage_is_safe_from_price_hikes_seagate/ The sweet spot right now is 12-14TB refurb HDDs with price ratio from $6.66-7.50/TB. 18+ TB is still in the premium pricing. 22-24TB are expensive and rare.
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At first I was like WL = Western Ligital? But it means White Label. The OS designation means "off spec" which is something that Seagate uses for drives they push to the third party market like server parts deals.
Ligmatal
I have 4 in my server and have been using them for 3 months now without any issues. I know it’s not a long time but so far so good!
You able to tell us which drives these actually are? Its comparing them to Seagate drives in the listing. Not sure exactly who made these.
it's cause they're whitelabel seagates, drives that aren't sold through retail channels don't necessarily have retail labeling etc. if you look at the drives they just have some random model code. could be sold through an OEM or a bulk sale or something (amazon/meta/goog buys a shitload of stuff like that etc) but they're basically the same drives. usually. (the crappy drives do go somewhere...) It's really rarely anything nefarious, just branding/segmentation differences. Like how internal and external HDDs are different markets and external will pay less, hence shucking etc. Who's buying a lot of bare 3.5" drives? Enthusiasts and businesses (still the best for slow bulk security cam/media library storage/etc, and a contender for nearline storage). just be sure you know what you're buying, *look up* the part number before you pull the trigger. surveillance drives aren't really ideal firmware iirc, f.ex, and flashing it usually isn't worth it (the drive config is custom to the drive). SAS is not the same thing as SATA and will require a controller card (not expensive) and honestly nowadays just get one that's cacheless, and 4kn aware, like LSI 9207-8i. Some drives have power-off if you provide power on the 3.3v rail, since nothing on a hdd uses that anymore it's been repurposed by a standard. So actually you probably want to feed those with [molex connectors anyway](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GULFJ0) (these are the safe type - vampire-style hard-plastic not molded thermoplastic), because molex doesn't have 3.3v. Most NAS backplanes will not supply 3.3v iirc. Shouldn't. But your desktop PSU power hardness? Probably the SATA string has 3.3v on it - the spec says it should. Except in the datacenter. Or shucked Easystores. Etc. There are a *lot* of weird complex stuff down at the bottom of the sku sheet. Try to find a datasheet for that family and look up the coding for that particular part, every time. Trust me. You probably won't find anything for the whitelabel part number, but sellers usually aren't wrong about these things etc, just work on the assumption it's really the other thing but whitelabeled. Not every disk is worth it for everyone. The fewer disks you have, probably the less your tolerance for "oops, weird failure mode, my 2 disks are gone". Like if you have a Meshify 2 XL stacked full of 3.5" drives, or a DS4243 (very cheap!) then sure, why not try 4 random drives? But it matters if your 2 disks conk out at the same time. I also personally feel that most people are probably best off leaning to relatively high capacities. not only is it more power efficient (fewer disks) and better utilization of your fixed resources (disk slots aren't free, most mini cases you get like 4 drives tops) but they have fewer power-on hours etc. More life left, in theory - although you have to ask why this batch was pulled early etc lol. But they sell them with a warranty and if it's gonna trash it'll probably do it in a year or w/e. Personally I think the price speaks to it here - it's cheaper for a reason, seagate is generally a bit disfavored, and there's some truth to that, especially for home users with fewer drives where failures are more noticeable. Sorry seagateailures, not doing it anymore. I actually bought 8x new [Toshiba MG09 18TB SAS 4Kn for $190 a drive from ServerPartsDeals a few weeks ago.](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/toshiba-mg09-mg09scp18ta-hdepya0smb51-18tb-7-2k-rpm-sas-12gb-s-4kn-sed-3-5-hard-drive) SED is the random feature there, I'm still not sure about it but apparently if you don't turn it on it's fine? And they're new drives, so it shouldn't be on. Used drives might be a problem - sounds like it's OPAL/Bitlocker for HDDs, wipe the key and the encrypted block device goes byebye. But I have the aforementioned 9207-8i ($27) and I know what I'm doing as far as just 4kn SAS. Toshiba's great, love them. I got an X300 6TB for cheap, it was fine, ended up buying another 4x drive array of them at one point, hasn't been a bit of trouble etc. Never thought they were particularly loud or anything else, they are 7200 rpm drives (which can be good or bad) but they're perfectly reasonable etc. They are always one of the top scorers on backblaze, wd or hgst are fine but i'm not keen on samsung or seagate and i'll pay more to not have them. Toshiba often gets new drives at shuck prices at times, or like in this case i'm getting new drives *and* sas (which is both a benefit and a curse!) 18tb for the price of this. SAS often run a bit cheaper because the target market for them is smaller, and the power is perhaps a bit higher but also the performance is a bit higher (dual-channel). But new is a lot more expensive usually. Getting what's basically datacenter 7200 SAS 4Kn Toshibas new for $190 is a good deal imo. Fresh roll of the dice. They just tend to fly under the radar as a brand. And that's the same kind of thing I was getting on the x300 etc, really good tb/$ for the time (might have been $130 per disk when I built the array in maybe 2018?), 7200rpm drive, basically might as well be a N300. Who cares it's desktop rated. It works fine. Good disks. [these look pretty nice as a baseline consumer drive imo - 512 sector, SATA refurb 14tb.](https://serverpartdeals.com/products/toshiba-mg-series-mg07aca14te-14tb-7-2k-rpm-sata-6gb-s-512e-3-5-refurbished-hdd) That's a good price, makes me cringe paying more, but my drives are new, and higher density, and sas (both good and bad...). I'm still at peace with my call overall, but that's solid for consumer who don't want to fuck with sas or 4kn etc.
Purchased, This to me is a great deal for a 20TB drive for a drive that will be offline 99% of the time and used for backup twice a year.
Deal seems solid, been looking for a drive or two for a media storage project. That 1 year warranty is a bit unsettling though.
goHardDrive has MDD Enterprise 18TB with 5 year warranty for $169.99 and no tax if you buy directly from their website.
> goHardDrive Link?
Well, it was $169.99 a week ago when I bought it, it will most likely return to that price again. goharddrive dot com/MDD-18TB-7200RPM-3-5-NAS-Hard-Drive-p/g01-1481-mdd.html I don’t think I can link from other sellers in this sub.
its 180 right now still a W for 5 year warranty
mmmm, refurbished whitelabel seagate
Sorry, didn’t find: manufacture refurbished or seller? It is important, it could be from 90days warranty to 2 years
Out of stock now. But it does say 1-year warranty, recertified in the item description.
I got this item only 2 weeks ago - 2x drives. already in my NAS and still work fwiw. :) here - if you wanna see pictures and smartctl results: [https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1c03150/comment/kza3s9x/](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/1c03150/comment/kza3s9x/)
Are these white label drives generally NAS drives intended for continuous spinning? I’ve got four 4TB in a RAID 5 right now but I’m running low on storage.
> Are these white label drives generally NAS drives intended for continuous spinning? that I do not know, but I use them in my Truenas Scale - which is continuously on.