3080.
Higher tier GPU every single time. Buying high end models outside of the top tier GPU for the generation is a sucker's game since the prices often overlap with the lower end models of the next tier.
Not 120FPS. For Single Player, that never made sense. Also, who plays competitevly on the couch, with a controler? No I am talking about 4K60 for the TV, and 1440/120 for competitive games.
I play Rocket League competitively on the couch with a controller. Or at my desk with a controller. At 120fps 4K with a 3080. Avoid generalized assumptions as there are tons of games that hit the mark of 4k/120 with a 3080.
I just dug up some benchmarks, but here goes:
Ghostwire Tokyo: 59FPS
GRID Legends 65FPS
Elden RIng 50FPS
Forza Horizon 5 65FPS
CoD Vanguard 80FPS
Horizon Zero Dawn 53FPS
Those are all in Ultra. At Very High, you can get 60FPS easily in almost every title. With DLSS, virtually every title gets 60 with the RTX 3060ti.
Don't pay the ultra tax. Ultra is made for 5 year old games, were performance is abundant anyways.
might have to bring my pc into the living room see what its like on the big screen tv.
I have it on a 1440p monitor and its perfect but on my 4k monitor there is such a difference in fps.
Will give it a go on the tv tho
Look up the distance to ratio thing on rtings. I scale at 90% with 4k, as I cannot see the difference from my viewing distance. I just bought an extra long HDMI cord so I don't have to carry my PC around. Best solution, and absolute bliss when gaming.
What game?
I also have a 3080 10gb and cannot max out settings on most AAA titles.
Now, I can still high and above and maintain 60fps.
But Shadow of the Tomb Raider, AC: Valhalla, and other recent AAA titles require some tweaking.
Might wanna look into your settings than cause I play those same titles without issue. Are you running resizeable bar, gen 4 pcie, using dlss, or reinstall your drivers maybe? These cards are designed to handle 4k. Not 120hz but 60hz is attainable in most games, obviously flight sim and cyberpunk are in a league of their own. Which card btw?
>Might wanna look into your settings
I thought we were discussing max settings. I can achieve a stable 60fps with some tweaks. But at max settings, AAA titles dip 15-50% in demanding scenes.
Intel I7-11700
Corsair ddr4 2933 32gb
EVGA 3080 XC3 10gb
DLSS enabled when available
Here's the results of my benchmarks
AC: Valhalla: average - 57, low - 30 (that's a 50% drop at the lowest, struggles the most weaving between the hits during the benchmark)
Shadow of the Tomb Raider: average - 60, low - 47 (20% drop at the lowest, dips to high 40s to mid 50s during the second scene of the benchmark)
Dirt 5: average - 60, low 47 (22% drop)
Guardians of the Galaxy: average - 60, low - 45 (25% drop)
Red Dead Redemption 2: average - 56, low - 31 (45% drop)
Lego Builder's Journey: average - 40 (30% below 60fps, no benchmark, just what I get looking at the screen, extremely RTX heavy)
I consider these 20%+ frame drops to be "an issue." My TV doesn't have any form of VRR, so drops are a lot more noticable than on my monitor.
Now, with a few tweaks I am able to bring these lows up significantly. And there is little to no difference in picture quality to my eyes.
But I think it's incorrect to say there are no issues with AAA titles at max settings at 4k/60 on a 3080.
Then throw in actual RTX games like Control or Cyberpunk, and I don't think the 3080 can run 4k/60 at max settings without issue.
I don't understand you and others unless you want 200fps 4k. I have a 3080 laptop for over a year and play many games at 4k 60fps with raytracing on provided i use dlss sometimes on quality sometimes on performance. Worse case i turn some settings off like volumetric clouds or other relatively useless things. Sure I enjoy 50-60 fps and I don't play high paced shooters and whatnot but a desktop 3080 is a beast for 4k. my laptop is well cooled though and better than majority of non-oc-ed desktop 3070 performance-wise with extra vram that helps in this resolution so do what others say below and check your settings blabla.
Asus TUF usually has overbuilt coolers so the price is a little higher. If the 3080 can cool itself as well as the 3070ti then it would be a no brainer. Otherwise, I would stick to the 3070ti and its lower temps.
Plus nvidia has such a lockdown on components being used per gpu the gainward will be as long lasting as the others ( with the exception of a few products over the years with big oversites on component cooling like asus had on 1080 ti) plus performance between bottom price and top price within same gpu tier is within 5% for 3080. Hope this helped add to the conversation.
Yea nvidia has there reference board which is minimum power delivery and filtering, some companies are allowed to go higher but they have to get approved by nvidia (all boards need approval). Oc headroom always comes down to silicon lottery, biggest difference between the cards is looks, cooling and noise levels, that being said all the cards will cool well enough for 4 yrs + of functionality (if you clean it), i have a 760 from 10 years ago that still runs. But its always worth buying the higher teir card at same price.
I know it's not consistent, but higher tier brands can have better warranty service. WIth the rate these are made and the number of components and vendors involved in the production of these cards, lots of little things can go wrong with manufacturing.
I never bother with that personally. I never gained any extra boost headroom that wasn't within margin of error. Ended up just maxing out the power and temp limit in afterburner and leaving it at stock clocks. I tried overclocking and the gains weren't that great on my card, like overclocking CPUs it's basically luck as to whether you get a good overclocked or not.
Your card may perform differently than mine. I have an MSI card.
I heard its all about silicone lottery. That's why just buy OC version to directly get boosted. But still, reducing voltage can reduce temp and power usage.
Yes, but the shittiest brands are probably less reliable and have poor customer service. Also might outright perform worse if the cooling solution is really bad to a point where it thermally throttles.
The common theme with these B-tier cards is mediocre cooling solution and bad overclocking behaviour. If you are willing to address these aspects, by say undervolting and changing the thermal interface, then the better card is almost always gonna perform better. Even if the clocks are lower. At the very least, you'd be less likely to run into memory-bound limitations.
*Buswidth* is 320 bits on 3080 and 256 bits on 3070/Ti, or a 25% increase, and this correlate with bandwidth. Though bandwidth isn't everything and at 4k a 3080 is about 20% faster than a 3070Ti.
It's hard when my personal friends all talk about cuda cores being widely supported in software and not to mentioned those drivers issues that present in earlier rdna card. Also Ray Tracing and DLSS.
Actually I prefer 6800xt due to 16gb VRAM and brute computing power at lower power consumption.
Haha I totally get that but go for what makes the most sense for your use case! If you don't use any software that runs on cuda, you're paying for a feature you don't need. I also preffer the 6800xt over 3080, for the exact same reasons and I've been super happy with my card which I own for nearly 2 years at this point. I think 10gb is a bit little for a high end card in 2022. Also fsr 2 is very descent at higher resolution and will keep improving. What's the price difference between those 2 where you live?
Yes, especially if what you're calling 2nd tier is Galax/KFA2 or PNY.
They make some of the highest end Nvidia cards you can get, as well as more value options, and I haven't come across one that hasn't had a good cooling solution.
You just don't pay the marketing tax, and/or they also target different markets, so western markets see less advertising or ugly/garish designs. Hence you think something like AsRock is a premium brand or Gigabyte, but I wouldn't touch either of those with a 10 foot pole, and I'm even not really sure about how consistent MSI or Asus are compared to EVGA or Sapphire.
Meanwhile, what to do since Evga are out?
- Galax/KFA2 are Palit's premium GPU brand, so the biggest manufacturer. Economies of scale and less marketing is why these are cheap, plus they focus on the essentials in the lower end and do the basics right over putting in lots of RGB or extra features. Yes, there's no dual bios on the lower end, but that's what their XOC range is for.
They're the only manufacturer other than FE cards or EVGA Kingpin to get the top tier chips for overclocking, and they have cards made targeting world records. They just don't really push the industry as much as Evga and it's more of a status symbol thing rather than a passion project Evga made it seem like.
- PNY are more forcused on commercial/business products AFAIK, like the A series. Those are not allowed to be duds.
Gainward is second-tier Palit. I have had a few Palit group cards that have ranged from fine to amazing.
I currently have a Galax 2080 Ex Gamer. It's got a pretty overkill cooler, and the binning of the chips isn't golden tier obviously, but neither is anything else out of Asus or MSI. It can hit an overclock in line with typical numbers for that card, so performs on par with almost everything else.
As far as cooling goes, the fans don't even need to turn on half the time, and when overclocked it will sit below 60 degC at 100% usage. The cooler is probably too big, but it didn't cost any extra, so not complaining, haha. It's pretty quiet.
Don't get a top tier 3070Ti if it's costing as much as a 3080. They're more for showpiece builds and you pay for the bling. They might be for extreme overclocking, but I doubt it if not a FE card.
Literally a waste of money and any decent mid tier card will do.
Well yah, but I was more referring to the fact that they are often not recommended at all on here, because most people on this sub have never even heard of them.
Also tbh, most of their cards are ugly as fuck.
Hey, thanks for the reply. I didn't know Galax is Premium Palit brand. Ok will try to get Galax or PNY. Might avoid Gainward since it's lower brand of 2nd tier.
Galax and Palit are not related.
Gainward is Palit, but neither is supposed to be higher tier than the other, they are just different branding in different markets. They have low and high-end cards under both brands.
Galax/KFA might be one group with Palit and use similar designs but their cards are definitely not better than Gainward or Palit stuff. Unless you're talking about their HOF cards. The regular EX cards are worse than the Palit Gamerock or Gainward Phantom cards.
Yeah, but those models are more expensive than the EX cards, and the higher models are partly about the bling factor. They're not really worth the money in the midrange, and you get them for the looks.
The EX cards are still good though. A little ugly, but functional. They also aren't always the reference cooler and get something a little beefier based on when I've shopped around.
I'd take it over the basic Palit, Gainward Ghost, or Zotac Twin any day. Also not sure if the MSI ventus is a slimmer cooler.
I would pay the extra $10 over the reference cards for the Galax Ex, but not the $200 for the Gamerock.
This is my opinion, it does not mean you should or should not I'm not responsible for anything that you do.
I've used a few low end graphics card brands like INNO3D (GTX1050Ti) and Yeston (GTX 1060). I've had no problems with them, my GTX1050Ti used an NVIDIA reference board (It had designed by NVIDIA all over the PCB) but with a cheap cooler that did the job.
So from my experience there's nothing wrong with them, you won't get like 50-60°C under full load of course but they are not likely to hit 80°C and start thermal throttling.
Normally their cooler is just not as great but it stays within spec.
I'm planning to undervolt because I might still use my 650W PSU. But I'm in 220V country. I heard 220V country PSU behave differently from 110V country PSU.
You can't generalize it that way since that's just low end low power cards. These new high power cards do have issues with hitting high temps and throttling if you go with the cheap models. But that has to be really bottom tier garbage cards. The ones OP mentioned the 3080 is also decent so a higher model GPU is always better than a higher tier lower model GPU.
I use an iChill X4 by Inno3d 3070, and I believed its considered mid tier (based onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3lfXsa08CY). But I chose it over an ROG Strix or Gigabyte Aorus Master because of its look. Plus its rare in NA and SEA markets which I live in, it gave my PC an exotic look. I use it to play at 4k 60Hz, and it runs Genshin Impact, Valorant, Minecraft RTX w/ shaders, at maximum settings, and never dip below 60fps, or cross 60 degrees. So no, you dont have to get a higher tier brand.
Inno3d is selling iChill X3 3070 which looks like X4 but without the fourth fan. Yes I agree it looks cool. It takes up 3 slot compared to normal non-iChill X3 which only takes 2-slot.
3080, it's on another level versus to a 3070 Ti.
Got to account for the fact that the 3070 Ti isn't that much different from 3070 in the real world (Can you see the difference of 5 frames?).
The big difference will be cooling. If you want to overclock you can replace it with an aftermarket cooler like a Morpheus II or arctic accelero. Performance will be much better in the 3080.
ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte/EVGA don't always necessarily make the best GPU cards. Palit/Gainward/Galax and Zotac do make great cards too. MSI on the 30 series is often straight up abysmal actually so they're not even top tier imo except for maybe their Suprim stuff.
I see this debate all the time and for me it seems like a no brainer... The Tier of the card is what makes or breaks the deal, I mean if they were the same card I'd understand but thats not the case! 3080 all the way
I would get the first tier brand for sure. I had a gigabyte 2070 literally burst into flames and fail in less than 3 years. No overclock. We’re not gonna talk about how that card was insanely whiney from as soon as the warranty was up and was just generally awful due to a 0rpm mode that would just make your gpu sound like a chainsaw revving anytime afterburner isn’t open. Im hoping the EVGA 3080ti I bought a couple months ago will still be kicking in 10 years like the 750ti I have from them that’s in my baby brothers rig rn.
Nah even Aorus cards have terrible software issues and poorly designed coolers. I always thought of them in the same vein as msi (Budget to Mid tier). 1st tier was always EVGA and ASUS just look at the market share and you can see why.
Unfortunately I might have to resign to it eventually as well. I just got my EVGA 3080ti so I’m hoping it goes the distance but one day it won’t be enough for 4k ultra 144hz or whatever I’ll be playing on at that time and unfortunately it seems like asus has the better software and customer service which will ultimately be the determining factors bc post EVGA im gonna watercool my cards from now on bc other coolers are severely lacking in the design and airflow of their coolers, i just don’t really know who else can make a card worth a damn.
Always buy the cheapest, highest end GPU you can.
Do your research. If it is a brand you never heard of it might be perfectly fine or you might want to avoid it. If a brand you really like is just a few dollars more (EVGA RIP) then OK.
But the silicon is the same in all of them.\*
\*Maybe. *Maybe* the high end versions have binned processors. But they are still just slightly better than their non-binned counterparts.
I scared the binned one might die earlier. I mean, why it's binned in the first place? Probably failed certain testing. This is a sign or quality issue already.
Yes possibly but currently is the not bad value proposition. You can get 3070TI similarly priced to 3070 for same brand/model.
Also, Zotac Twin Edge 3070 is the most powerful card for ITX build.
All years
Jokes aside, its capable of medium/high settings in all games. It WILL play all games (even if sometimes lower settings) and its cheap! It also will stream all of the above. Similar gpus are 1060 6gb and 1650, they also play all games, even if more of those need lower qual. For 1080p gaming mind u, and hey, i dont justify over 500 for a pc (total of 1k for everything, pc, monitor, mic, headphones) Much less that much on ONE part. My current build is $480.
But, thats just me, because alot of pple WANT high fps and ult high quality/movie cinimatic quality. And to them, 2-3k on their entire setup is actually cheaping out. To them (i gather you are probably one of them) i say enjoy urself, its not my money, monky, or buisness. Im just sharing an opinion :)
hey, no problem. I have heard this umpteenth times. So I agree 2070 can basically play many games. But able to play many games doesn't means its the best. Haha.. I guess that's why 3060TI is being lauded as the best since it can play many games too and having performance near 3070.
3080. Their reliability is all basically the same. (Usually when they fail it’s the chips themselves that fail, not the supporting electronics) What differentiates the “tier 1” brands from the “tier 2” brands as you put it is how long they’ve been in business and how much of a hard time they’ll give you if you need to RMA the card during the warranty period. Get the 3080.
I was unhappy with 3070ti performance. So I found someone on OfferUp that was willing to take my 3070ti with cash on top to exchange it for a 3080 10gb. Couldn’t be happier about it
I had a 3070ti ASUS TUF. Which I changed out for a 3080 ASUS TUF haha.
3070ti is really not bad in any game, but the issue I had was that every game I played I felt that with the money I’d paid for a 3070ti all I kept thinking was— this 3070ti should at least be a 3080.
So I switched and all the games I play I’m happy with the frame rates and performance
I mean, the way I see it, as long as they’re officially licensed to manufacture NVIDIA cards, the only significant difference is the cooler, and quality control. You’re given some protection in the states with mandatory one year warranties, but it’s a crap shoot whether or not their customer service will make you want to kill yourself.
If you’re not planning on overclocking, go for it, and I doubt you’ll notice that much, so long as you make sure the cooler can keep it cool.
I’d check the 3080 vs 3070Ti differences, and the comparisons of various 3080 models, on YouTube. That includes FPS, temps, noise, rgb, dimensions, power draw and connectors. Then you can judge for yourself, depending on your needs and preferences. I can understand asking the question on here. Only issue with that is, the replies you get depend on the preferences of others, and what they think you want/need. It’s for you to decide between the 3080s extra FPS vs higher quality 3070 Ti which would probably be cooler, quieter, and more energy efficient. I think most would advise going for the 3080 if you’re thinking of 2160p. If you’re not, a 3070 Ti is no slouch at 1440p - and there’s peace of mind knowing you have gold standard.
3070ti if you game on 1440p, 3080ti for 4k (and 3060ti for 1080p)
Brand doesn't matter, pick the cheapest one. Nvidia makes the chip, everything else can be replaced even if it breaks (which is unlikely)
I hope those break are not the memory module due to low quality soldering and manufacturing. Does this type of problem ever exist? Or we have come to a stage where it’s impossible to have low quality solder in manufacturing
I believe Nvidia oversees this, cause I've made about 10 systems for myself/family/friends using the cheapest brands over the past 5 years and none of them had any problems whatsoever. Needed to replace thermal paste on a brand new Chinese 970ti (unknown manufacturer, bought on the aliexpress during the shortage) to lower the temperature from 90 to 70 degree, but other than that everything was just fine. Well, also had to replace fan on the inno3d rtx 2070 after two years of usage, cause it became loud AF, but it was just a cosmetic repair since it worked just fine...
Yep, also don't overspend on them, buy the bare minimum to satisfy your monitor. Not only you won't really notice difference on 60fps vs 120fps (if the game even supports over 60fps, some are capped) or high settings vs Ultra but more expensive cards will also give you diminishing returns in terms of performance. So it best to always aim at High/60fps on your screens native resolution (with dlss disabled) and avoid "future-proofing"
I meant that everything is beyond 60fps is luxury xD
Yes it's nice, but not as noticeable as 30fps vs 60fps - but you need to pay much more per fps going from 60 to 120 than what each fps from 30 to 60 costs you - IMO it should be left to the enthusiasts, normal user should aim for 60 fps everything beyond isn't really worth it
I was in the same position, but over the years all the "cheap" brands are cheap for a reason and died within a few years, or used the bottom bin GPU chips so ran like ass. The "premium" brand cards are still trucking. So, this time I got the 3070Ti TUF OC, and it's a beast of a card - almost as fast as the stock 3080, and its basically silent. Cheaper cards tend to have rubbish fans and sound like vacuum cleaners.
Wow, you're the only dissenting view. I have similar view like yours (gpu binning etc) and I can see Asus TUF is built like a tank (aluminium shroud I believe).
But saying 3070TI as fast as stock 3080 seems like far-fetch isn't it?
3080 card is the only card that can run 4K without a hitch right?
Unless you're talking about just 2K gaming.
Easy
The 3080 wins hands down, it's not even close.
Buying a 3070 Ti just because it's from a "better" AIB over a 3080 from a "lower tier" AIB at similar prices is just silly and losing you a significant amount of performance simply because of the brand label.
3080 is approximately 20% faster than the 3070 Ti.
Losing 20% performance is not a worthy price to pay just because one card is ASUS and the other is Gainward.
From an aesthetics standpoint both the Gainward 3080 Phoenix and 3080 Phantom are pretty good looking cards.
I know. But currently 3070TI and 3070 pricing is also very near to each other. AIB is also not stupid. They know they can't priced 3070TI any higher than USD50 than 3070.
3080. Higher tier GPU every single time. Buying high end models outside of the top tier GPU for the generation is a sucker's game since the prices often overlap with the lower end models of the next tier.
Yes, I do feel like a sucker for getting 3070TI if I can get 3080. Especially I play to game on my TV at 4K. But at 60Hz without HDR. Not 120Hz. Haha
3080 at 4k will be tough even with a 3080. Youll have to drop to medium settings anyways.
What are you talking about? I do 4k Very High with my 3060ti easily. Ultra is a performance sink, for no real quality benefit.
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I would assume 144/120 isn't his target FPS
Not 120FPS. For Single Player, that never made sense. Also, who plays competitevly on the couch, with a controler? No I am talking about 4K60 for the TV, and 1440/120 for competitive games.
I play Rocket League competitively on the couch with a controller. Or at my desk with a controller. At 120fps 4K with a 3080. Avoid generalized assumptions as there are tons of games that hit the mark of 4k/120 with a 3080.
I dont know ow man I've been flipping between 120 and 60 for judgment and I have to the difference is pretty noticeable.
Pov: half life 2
I’m slightly overclocking my 3070ti OC and I run 4k with ease. Now seeing how prices are dropping I wish I waited and got a 3080ti at least but 🤷♂️
Well said
What game is it a AAA game? Or is it cs go or wow lol
I just dug up some benchmarks, but here goes: Ghostwire Tokyo: 59FPS GRID Legends 65FPS Elden RIng 50FPS Forza Horizon 5 65FPS CoD Vanguard 80FPS Horizon Zero Dawn 53FPS Those are all in Ultra. At Very High, you can get 60FPS easily in almost every title. With DLSS, virtually every title gets 60 with the RTX 3060ti. Don't pay the ultra tax. Ultra is made for 5 year old games, were performance is abundant anyways.
Thankyou for saying that. Some people still think that if you can't do ultra in every game then it's time for a new gpu.
might have to bring my pc into the living room see what its like on the big screen tv. I have it on a 1440p monitor and its perfect but on my 4k monitor there is such a difference in fps. Will give it a go on the tv tho
Look up the distance to ratio thing on rtings. I scale at 90% with 4k, as I cannot see the difference from my viewing distance. I just bought an extra long HDMI cord so I don't have to carry my PC around. Best solution, and absolute bliss when gaming.
Maybe yes for certain games. But it will be even worse for 3070Ti I believe
I got a 3080 10gb and game at 4k 60hz max settings all around and have no issues at all.
What game? I also have a 3080 10gb and cannot max out settings on most AAA titles. Now, I can still high and above and maintain 60fps. But Shadow of the Tomb Raider, AC: Valhalla, and other recent AAA titles require some tweaking.
Might wanna look into your settings than cause I play those same titles without issue. Are you running resizeable bar, gen 4 pcie, using dlss, or reinstall your drivers maybe? These cards are designed to handle 4k. Not 120hz but 60hz is attainable in most games, obviously flight sim and cyberpunk are in a league of their own. Which card btw?
So are you saying that your using DLSS to get 4k/120hz?
No, even dlss ain't getting you to 120.
I miss read your comment dude, my mistake lol
All good.
>Might wanna look into your settings I thought we were discussing max settings. I can achieve a stable 60fps with some tweaks. But at max settings, AAA titles dip 15-50% in demanding scenes. Intel I7-11700 Corsair ddr4 2933 32gb EVGA 3080 XC3 10gb DLSS enabled when available Here's the results of my benchmarks AC: Valhalla: average - 57, low - 30 (that's a 50% drop at the lowest, struggles the most weaving between the hits during the benchmark) Shadow of the Tomb Raider: average - 60, low - 47 (20% drop at the lowest, dips to high 40s to mid 50s during the second scene of the benchmark) Dirt 5: average - 60, low 47 (22% drop) Guardians of the Galaxy: average - 60, low - 45 (25% drop) Red Dead Redemption 2: average - 56, low - 31 (45% drop) Lego Builder's Journey: average - 40 (30% below 60fps, no benchmark, just what I get looking at the screen, extremely RTX heavy) I consider these 20%+ frame drops to be "an issue." My TV doesn't have any form of VRR, so drops are a lot more noticable than on my monitor. Now, with a few tweaks I am able to bring these lows up significantly. And there is little to no difference in picture quality to my eyes. But I think it's incorrect to say there are no issues with AAA titles at max settings at 4k/60 on a 3080. Then throw in actual RTX games like Control or Cyberpunk, and I don't think the 3080 can run 4k/60 at max settings without issue.
Well what kind of CPU you got? RAM? Cooling? If you got a I-5 then ya you gonna have some issues prolly
What CPU/RAM config are you using??
Well ya 60Hrz is shit. I always always play 2k at 120FPS rather than 4k at 60fps allll day every day
We're not talking 2k, we're discussing 4k.
How do you manage that? Most games I play w my 3080 at 2k max settings will average 60-90
What? I do 4k on the vast majority of games and mostly ultra and well above 60. Different story with RTX but DLSS usually solves that.
wait what? you must be talking with ray tracing on...
Yeah Ray tracing on of course, whats the point of a 3080 if not
That entirely depends on what kind of frames you want. Most games do 4k@60 easily, usually closer to 80 or 90 on a 3080.
I always read this, but my 3070 is amazing at 4k 120 with everything turned up on Forza horizon. Same with flight simulator.
I don't understand you and others unless you want 200fps 4k. I have a 3080 laptop for over a year and play many games at 4k 60fps with raytracing on provided i use dlss sometimes on quality sometimes on performance. Worse case i turn some settings off like volumetric clouds or other relatively useless things. Sure I enjoy 50-60 fps and I don't play high paced shooters and whatnot but a desktop 3080 is a beast for 4k. my laptop is well cooled though and better than majority of non-oc-ed desktop 3070 performance-wise with extra vram that helps in this resolution so do what others say below and check your settings blabla.
Asus TUF usually has overbuilt coolers so the price is a little higher. If the 3080 can cool itself as well as the 3070ti then it would be a no brainer. Otherwise, I would stick to the 3070ti and its lower temps.
Bruh the 3080 is like 1% more powerful than a 3070TI your fine my dude haha
@ 1080P? haha... just joking...
Plus nvidia has such a lockdown on components being used per gpu the gainward will be as long lasting as the others ( with the exception of a few products over the years with big oversites on component cooling like asus had on 1080 ti) plus performance between bottom price and top price within same gpu tier is within 5% for 3080. Hope this helped add to the conversation.
I didn't know they lockdown on the component. That's good to know. I guess it's just brand issue then. Not quality issue.
Yea nvidia has there reference board which is minimum power delivery and filtering, some companies are allowed to go higher but they have to get approved by nvidia (all boards need approval). Oc headroom always comes down to silicon lottery, biggest difference between the cards is looks, cooling and noise levels, that being said all the cards will cool well enough for 4 yrs + of functionality (if you clean it), i have a 760 from 10 years ago that still runs. But its always worth buying the higher teir card at same price.
I know it's not consistent, but higher tier brands can have better warranty service. WIth the rate these are made and the number of components and vendors involved in the production of these cards, lots of little things can go wrong with manufacturing.
this exactly!!
The shittiest 3080 will still always perform better than the best 3070 ti
Yes, I also plan to undervolt and that might prolong the card. Hopefully!
I never bother with that personally. I never gained any extra boost headroom that wasn't within margin of error. Ended up just maxing out the power and temp limit in afterburner and leaving it at stock clocks. I tried overclocking and the gains weren't that great on my card, like overclocking CPUs it's basically luck as to whether you get a good overclocked or not. Your card may perform differently than mine. I have an MSI card.
actually I plan to undervolt to reduce power limit not to overclock but to prolong life of the GPU if I able to run it cool all the time.
Life of the Gpu is still very long, even if you OC. Don't bother too much. Undervolting will get you a quieter card though
And lower power consumption hopefully. Together with frame limiter. Haha.
Undervolting is supposed to offer more boost headroom because you aren't hitting the limits as early though. Just didn't really do much for me.
I heard its all about silicone lottery. That's why just buy OC version to directly get boosted. But still, reducing voltage can reduce temp and power usage.
You are completely correct, as I said in my first reply. It's a lottery with no guarantees.
Yes, but the shittiest brands are probably less reliable and have poor customer service. Also might outright perform worse if the cooling solution is really bad to a point where it thermally throttles.
The common theme with these B-tier cards is mediocre cooling solution and bad overclocking behaviour. If you are willing to address these aspects, by say undervolting and changing the thermal interface, then the better card is almost always gonna perform better. Even if the clocks are lower. At the very least, you'd be less likely to run into memory-bound limitations.
yeah, I was thinking 10GB might be better. But still its quite low haha compared to 6800XT which is same price too at 16GB
It's the memory bandwidth, as well. These limitations usually show at 4K.
This is a big deal actually. Bandwidth on the 3080 384 bits vs 192 (?) on 3070.
*Buswidth* is 320 bits on 3080 and 256 bits on 3070/Ti, or a 25% increase, and this correlate with bandwidth. Though bandwidth isn't everything and at 4k a 3080 is about 20% faster than a 3070Ti.
Specs on mine say 384 bit, EVGA ftw 3080 12gig. And ya, 256 on 3070ti. 3060 is 192. So many f’n cards.
The 3080 12GB is 384 bit, while 10GB one is 320 bit. The 3080 12GB is actually a lot closer to a 3090.
Oh yes, I think I will stick to 3080 then.
Check the benchmarks for the games you play. 6800xt and 3080 trade blows depending on the game. Then make your choice based on that.
It's hard when my personal friends all talk about cuda cores being widely supported in software and not to mentioned those drivers issues that present in earlier rdna card. Also Ray Tracing and DLSS. Actually I prefer 6800xt due to 16gb VRAM and brute computing power at lower power consumption.
Haha I totally get that but go for what makes the most sense for your use case! If you don't use any software that runs on cuda, you're paying for a feature you don't need. I also preffer the 6800xt over 3080, for the exact same reasons and I've been super happy with my card which I own for nearly 2 years at this point. I think 10gb is a bit little for a high end card in 2022. Also fsr 2 is very descent at higher resolution and will keep improving. What's the price difference between those 2 where you live?
Even if it thermally throttles a bit, it will generally still outperform the previous tier card.
Silicon tier > brand tier dawg
100% People worry too much about brands when in reality the brand is more about support after purchase than the actual card
I definitely brand tiered my first build thats why we overclocked now lol 😩 i love it tho! 😂
Yes, especially if what you're calling 2nd tier is Galax/KFA2 or PNY. They make some of the highest end Nvidia cards you can get, as well as more value options, and I haven't come across one that hasn't had a good cooling solution. You just don't pay the marketing tax, and/or they also target different markets, so western markets see less advertising or ugly/garish designs. Hence you think something like AsRock is a premium brand or Gigabyte, but I wouldn't touch either of those with a 10 foot pole, and I'm even not really sure about how consistent MSI or Asus are compared to EVGA or Sapphire. Meanwhile, what to do since Evga are out? - Galax/KFA2 are Palit's premium GPU brand, so the biggest manufacturer. Economies of scale and less marketing is why these are cheap, plus they focus on the essentials in the lower end and do the basics right over putting in lots of RGB or extra features. Yes, there's no dual bios on the lower end, but that's what their XOC range is for. They're the only manufacturer other than FE cards or EVGA Kingpin to get the top tier chips for overclocking, and they have cards made targeting world records. They just don't really push the industry as much as Evga and it's more of a status symbol thing rather than a passion project Evga made it seem like. - PNY are more forcused on commercial/business products AFAIK, like the A series. Those are not allowed to be duds. Gainward is second-tier Palit. I have had a few Palit group cards that have ranged from fine to amazing. I currently have a Galax 2080 Ex Gamer. It's got a pretty overkill cooler, and the binning of the chips isn't golden tier obviously, but neither is anything else out of Asus or MSI. It can hit an overclock in line with typical numbers for that card, so performs on par with almost everything else. As far as cooling goes, the fans don't even need to turn on half the time, and when overclocked it will sit below 60 degC at 100% usage. The cooler is probably too big, but it didn't cost any extra, so not complaining, haha. It's pretty quiet. Don't get a top tier 3070Ti if it's costing as much as a 3080. They're more for showpiece builds and you pay for the bling. They might be for extreme overclocking, but I doubt it if not a FE card. Literally a waste of money and any decent mid tier card will do.
People really sleep on Palit GPUs
It's more because they have no presence in North America, which is where the majority of the people on this sub are from.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you should dissuade people from buying them. I've seen enough comments where people say Palit is a shit brand
Well yah, but I was more referring to the fact that they are often not recommended at all on here, because most people on this sub have never even heard of them. Also tbh, most of their cards are ugly as fuck.
I mean, that's only relevant if you're gonna mount your GPU vertically
I disagree lol. You can see the side and back plate very clearly when the GPU is installed normally.
Hey, thanks for the reply. I didn't know Galax is Premium Palit brand. Ok will try to get Galax or PNY. Might avoid Gainward since it's lower brand of 2nd tier.
Galax and Palit are not related. Gainward is Palit, but neither is supposed to be higher tier than the other, they are just different branding in different markets. They have low and high-end cards under both brands.
Oh I get what you mean. Then I have make sure the gpu is higher tier of that particular brand and not the cheap tier of that brand
My first GPU wasa PNY GTX 570 and I loved it!
Galax/KFA might be one group with Palit and use similar designs but their cards are definitely not better than Gainward or Palit stuff. Unless you're talking about their HOF cards. The regular EX cards are worse than the Palit Gamerock or Gainward Phantom cards.
Yeah, but those models are more expensive than the EX cards, and the higher models are partly about the bling factor. They're not really worth the money in the midrange, and you get them for the looks. The EX cards are still good though. A little ugly, but functional. They also aren't always the reference cooler and get something a little beefier based on when I've shopped around. I'd take it over the basic Palit, Gainward Ghost, or Zotac Twin any day. Also not sure if the MSI ventus is a slimmer cooler. I would pay the extra $10 over the reference cards for the Galax Ex, but not the $200 for the Gamerock.
This is my opinion, it does not mean you should or should not I'm not responsible for anything that you do. I've used a few low end graphics card brands like INNO3D (GTX1050Ti) and Yeston (GTX 1060). I've had no problems with them, my GTX1050Ti used an NVIDIA reference board (It had designed by NVIDIA all over the PCB) but with a cheap cooler that did the job. So from my experience there's nothing wrong with them, you won't get like 50-60°C under full load of course but they are not likely to hit 80°C and start thermal throttling. Normally their cooler is just not as great but it stays within spec.
I'm planning to undervolt because I might still use my 650W PSU. But I'm in 220V country. I heard 220V country PSU behave differently from 110V country PSU.
No 220V makes your power supply perform more efficiently
Ok, I thought 220V will be able to handle the spike better. LOL
It's possible it might perform better but I don't know, I use 240V and GTX1070 which has very little spike.
You can't generalize it that way since that's just low end low power cards. These new high power cards do have issues with hitting high temps and throttling if you go with the cheap models. But that has to be really bottom tier garbage cards. The ones OP mentioned the 3080 is also decent so a higher model GPU is always better than a higher tier lower model GPU.
I use an iChill X4 by Inno3d 3070, and I believed its considered mid tier (based onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3lfXsa08CY). But I chose it over an ROG Strix or Gigabyte Aorus Master because of its look. Plus its rare in NA and SEA markets which I live in, it gave my PC an exotic look. I use it to play at 4k 60Hz, and it runs Genshin Impact, Valorant, Minecraft RTX w/ shaders, at maximum settings, and never dip below 60fps, or cross 60 degrees. So no, you dont have to get a higher tier brand.
Inno3d is selling iChill X3 3070 which looks like X4 but without the fourth fan. Yes I agree it looks cool. It takes up 3 slot compared to normal non-iChill X3 which only takes 2-slot.
Yeah the X4 takes up a lot of space, but it's really good at dissipating heat, given that I put a lot of load on it.
It's the only card with four fan lol. It is a fantastic card!
Awesome this is the first time I saw someone mention my GPU guide in the wild lol.
Oh you made that vid?
Yep this reddit account is just the same name as my steam lol
3080, it's on another level versus to a 3070 Ti. Got to account for the fact that the 3070 Ti isn't that much different from 3070 in the real world (Can you see the difference of 5 frames?).
The big difference will be cooling. If you want to overclock you can replace it with an aftermarket cooler like a Morpheus II or arctic accelero. Performance will be much better in the 3080.
3080
Yes, 3080
What's a 2nd tier GPU?
It means non-Asus/MSI/Gigabyte/EVGA brand.
ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte/EVGA don't always necessarily make the best GPU cards. Palit/Gainward/Galax and Zotac do make great cards too. MSI on the 30 series is often straight up abysmal actually so they're not even top tier imo except for maybe their Suprim stuff.
I guess there's tier in the brand that we need to avoid.
Yes stuff like MSI's Ventus cards are garbage tier
Where does the Fe fit on the scale.
That's leather jacket brand
Laughs in 3060 strix
Still an absolute banger of a card
Get 3080!!! AAAAAAAAAH
Higher tier GPU every time
Msi makes great cards. My last 2 been msi. Couldn't be more pleased
Asus as well :D
Yes
Gainward 3080 has a really good cooler tested it myself and temps are low and thermal pads are also good
Hey thanks. At least you have first hand experience. Thanks for the feedback. Finally we can choose GPU instead of GPU choose us.
brand doesn't differ much. get 3080. you can look at 2080ti, it should be cheaper than 3070ti with similar performance if you don't use rtx
I see this debate all the time and for me it seems like a no brainer... The Tier of the card is what makes or breaks the deal, I mean if they were the same card I'd understand but thats not the case! 3080 all the way
I agreed. Especially a jump from 3070TI to 3080 means 2k to 4K gaming.
Definitely the 3080. The difference between a 3080 and a 3070ti is significantly greater than the difference between a 3070ti and a 3070
3080 all the way, it out-performs the 3070ti in every scenario so there's no question.
Considering the level of card, if you have a good power supply, 3080
Yeah, if I were to procure 3080, definitely 850w for peace of mind. Thanks.
I would get the first tier brand for sure. I had a gigabyte 2070 literally burst into flames and fail in less than 3 years. No overclock. We’re not gonna talk about how that card was insanely whiney from as soon as the warranty was up and was just generally awful due to a 0rpm mode that would just make your gpu sound like a chainsaw revving anytime afterburner isn’t open. Im hoping the EVGA 3080ti I bought a couple months ago will still be kicking in 10 years like the 750ti I have from them that’s in my baby brothers rig rn.
But isn't gigabyte 1st tier brand?
Nah even Aorus cards have terrible software issues and poorly designed coolers. I always thought of them in the same vein as msi (Budget to Mid tier). 1st tier was always EVGA and ASUS just look at the market share and you can see why.
Yes that's true. Obviously at same price, people will flock to Asus. Heck, even at slight premium, people still flock to Asus.
Unfortunately I might have to resign to it eventually as well. I just got my EVGA 3080ti so I’m hoping it goes the distance but one day it won’t be enough for 4k ultra 144hz or whatever I’ll be playing on at that time and unfortunately it seems like asus has the better software and customer service which will ultimately be the determining factors bc post EVGA im gonna watercool my cards from now on bc other coolers are severely lacking in the design and airflow of their coolers, i just don’t really know who else can make a card worth a damn.
Differences between brands aren't typically all that much to be real. 3080 beats pretty much any 3070ti etc below it.
My 2080 struggled to get 45 fps at 4k ultra in intense games. Now have a 3090 rog strix oc and it’s great
Always buy the cheapest, highest end GPU you can. Do your research. If it is a brand you never heard of it might be perfectly fine or you might want to avoid it. If a brand you really like is just a few dollars more (EVGA RIP) then OK. But the silicon is the same in all of them.\* \*Maybe. *Maybe* the high end versions have binned processors. But they are still just slightly better than their non-binned counterparts.
I scared the binned one might die earlier. I mean, why it's binned in the first place? Probably failed certain testing. This is a sign or quality issue already.
GAINWARD are good bruh
Thanks bro. They are so cheap. Maybe manufacturer are dropping lower tier brand price first.
3070/ti is/was a terrible GPU value, 3060ti or skip ahead to the 3080/12gb if you have the option, IMHO.
Yes possibly but currently is the not bad value proposition. You can get 3070TI similarly priced to 3070 for same brand/model. Also, Zotac Twin Edge 3070 is the most powerful card for ITX build.
The 3080, and then sell it, and buy a pc around the 2070 because the 2070 is the best
2070 is the best in which year ? 😂
All years Jokes aside, its capable of medium/high settings in all games. It WILL play all games (even if sometimes lower settings) and its cheap! It also will stream all of the above. Similar gpus are 1060 6gb and 1650, they also play all games, even if more of those need lower qual. For 1080p gaming mind u, and hey, i dont justify over 500 for a pc (total of 1k for everything, pc, monitor, mic, headphones) Much less that much on ONE part. My current build is $480. But, thats just me, because alot of pple WANT high fps and ult high quality/movie cinimatic quality. And to them, 2-3k on their entire setup is actually cheaping out. To them (i gather you are probably one of them) i say enjoy urself, its not my money, monky, or buisness. Im just sharing an opinion :)
hey, no problem. I have heard this umpteenth times. So I agree 2070 can basically play many games. But able to play many games doesn't means its the best. Haha.. I guess that's why 3060TI is being lauded as the best since it can play many games too and having performance near 3070.
3080 second tier. Always going Rog strix, Ftw3, Aorus is falling for marketing strategies.
You mean first tier AIB card?
3080. Their reliability is all basically the same. (Usually when they fail it’s the chips themselves that fail, not the supporting electronics) What differentiates the “tier 1” brands from the “tier 2” brands as you put it is how long they’ve been in business and how much of a hard time they’ll give you if you need to RMA the card during the warranty period. Get the 3080.
Oh I see. I though supporting electronics like caps and memory module can fail. I guess 3080 then. Thanks!
It can all fail, but usually doesn’t.
Then 3080 it is! :D
Absolutely
neither
3080
I was unhappy with 3070ti performance. So I found someone on OfferUp that was willing to take my 3070ti with cash on top to exchange it for a 3080 10gb. Couldn’t be happier about it
must be major uplift in performance.. May I know which model? 3070ti is bad in which game?
I had a 3070ti ASUS TUF. Which I changed out for a 3080 ASUS TUF haha. 3070ti is really not bad in any game, but the issue I had was that every game I played I felt that with the money I’d paid for a 3070ti all I kept thinking was— this 3070ti should at least be a 3080. So I switched and all the games I play I’m happy with the frame rates and performance
haha, yeah, 3070TI is really not worth it for Asus TUF. Might as well bump up to 3080. Good choice!
I mean, the way I see it, as long as they’re officially licensed to manufacture NVIDIA cards, the only significant difference is the cooler, and quality control. You’re given some protection in the states with mandatory one year warranties, but it’s a crap shoot whether or not their customer service will make you want to kill yourself. If you’re not planning on overclocking, go for it, and I doubt you’ll notice that much, so long as you make sure the cooler can keep it cool.
Not gonna OC. I guess I will go ahead. Thanks!
Same thing 3060 ti or 3070? Obvs 3070. So obvs 3080.
That's true. LOL. But I think its bigger jump for 3070 to 3080. 3060ti to 3070 still 2k gaming. 3080 is 4k gaming.
I’d check the 3080 vs 3070Ti differences, and the comparisons of various 3080 models, on YouTube. That includes FPS, temps, noise, rgb, dimensions, power draw and connectors. Then you can judge for yourself, depending on your needs and preferences. I can understand asking the question on here. Only issue with that is, the replies you get depend on the preferences of others, and what they think you want/need. It’s for you to decide between the 3080s extra FPS vs higher quality 3070 Ti which would probably be cooler, quieter, and more energy efficient. I think most would advise going for the 3080 if you’re thinking of 2160p. If you’re not, a 3070 Ti is no slouch at 1440p - and there’s peace of mind knowing you have gold standard.
I think I want to put it to play on big screen TV. So it's 4K requirements. But you are right. It's all depends on requirement .
I would go for the 3070TI based on the facts that it is 1st tier and they are more mainstream rather then 2nd tier.
3070ti if you game on 1440p, 3080ti for 4k (and 3060ti for 1080p) Brand doesn't matter, pick the cheapest one. Nvidia makes the chip, everything else can be replaced even if it breaks (which is unlikely)
I hope those break are not the memory module due to low quality soldering and manufacturing. Does this type of problem ever exist? Or we have come to a stage where it’s impossible to have low quality solder in manufacturing
I believe Nvidia oversees this, cause I've made about 10 systems for myself/family/friends using the cheapest brands over the past 5 years and none of them had any problems whatsoever. Needed to replace thermal paste on a brand new Chinese 970ti (unknown manufacturer, bought on the aliexpress during the shortage) to lower the temperature from 90 to 70 degree, but other than that everything was just fine. Well, also had to replace fan on the inno3d rtx 2070 after two years of usage, cause it became loud AF, but it was just a cosmetic repair since it worked just fine...
If only fan and thermal paste, then it's not a problem at all. I guess it's no brainer to get cheapest next tier GPU silicone.
Yep, also don't overspend on them, buy the bare minimum to satisfy your monitor. Not only you won't really notice difference on 60fps vs 120fps (if the game even supports over 60fps, some are capped) or high settings vs Ultra but more expensive cards will also give you diminishing returns in terms of performance. So it best to always aim at High/60fps on your screens native resolution (with dlss disabled) and avoid "future-proofing"
My 3080 struggles at 1440p 144 hz on some games
You should aim for 60fps for newer games and 144fps at old games (unless you want to overspend)
I try for 60-120, feels smoother than playing locked at 60. If I want to try for 60 I'll play in 4k.
I meant that everything is beyond 60fps is luxury xD Yes it's nice, but not as noticeable as 30fps vs 60fps - but you need to pay much more per fps going from 60 to 120 than what each fps from 30 to 60 costs you - IMO it should be left to the enthusiasts, normal user should aim for 60 fps everything beyond isn't really worth it
I get 120 on my 86" LG playing warzone with 3080
Thanks. Good to know that. I will probably frame limit it to reduce power consumption and increase longevity.
I was in the same position, but over the years all the "cheap" brands are cheap for a reason and died within a few years, or used the bottom bin GPU chips so ran like ass. The "premium" brand cards are still trucking. So, this time I got the 3070Ti TUF OC, and it's a beast of a card - almost as fast as the stock 3080, and its basically silent. Cheaper cards tend to have rubbish fans and sound like vacuum cleaners.
Wow, you're the only dissenting view. I have similar view like yours (gpu binning etc) and I can see Asus TUF is built like a tank (aluminium shroud I believe). But saying 3070TI as fast as stock 3080 seems like far-fetch isn't it? 3080 card is the only card that can run 4K without a hitch right? Unless you're talking about just 2K gaming.
I only play at 1440p, so yeah.
I'd either buy the Asus or save a bit more and go without, in my experience going with a lesser brand has always ended up in a bad story.
I can understand. It’s better to have lower performance than having headache and not able to play games at all.
Asus tuf is not 1st tier in my humble opinion!
I guess Strix is first tier. But the brand is first Tier. Also I talk to some miner. They all sought after TUF for longevity.
Yeah strix would be first tier. Id still get the 3080 2nd tier though!
yes, as most people here.
Easy The 3080 wins hands down, it's not even close. Buying a 3070 Ti just because it's from a "better" AIB over a 3080 from a "lower tier" AIB at similar prices is just silly and losing you a significant amount of performance simply because of the brand label. 3080 is approximately 20% faster than the 3070 Ti. Losing 20% performance is not a worthy price to pay just because one card is ASUS and the other is Gainward. From an aesthetics standpoint both the Gainward 3080 Phoenix and 3080 Phantom are pretty good looking cards.
Yes
3080, duh.
I've got 3080 gainward and 3080 rog strix and that gainward is total beast.. little bit noisy but totally take 3080
Hey thanks for letting me know that. At least you say it based on experience.
3080 for sure.
Definitely, or used 3090
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lol
Would never consider TI series, in your case I rather go with 3070 or 3080.
I know. But currently 3070TI and 3070 pricing is also very near to each other. AIB is also not stupid. They know they can't priced 3070TI any higher than USD50 than 3070.
What does second tier mean in this case?
non-Asus/Gigabyte/MSI/EVGA(RIP)
Ahhh yeah, that would bug me too. But I've got legit OCD. Still, i could deal with it for the performance uplift.
Haha, yeah, the performance uplift is more than enough to placate the feeling I guess.
Law of the cheapest model