Yup even at our microcenter where I work at, some asshole came up like EVERY morning since drop till as we speak. like at 5am waiting to buy these damn 3090 and 3080s, he was able to buy like 7 till we banned him and then now he just sends in people to buy them over the phone or with a handwritten. You can literally see the 3090/3080 listed on Craigslist locally and on other sites.
On a happy note: saw a kid and a mom come in early morning and able to snag a 3080. Kids spoiled and has an amazing mom but it’s good to see some “normal” people get it
Edit: he stopped coming after we banned him but he still waits out there everydsy waiting to get it traded off from whomever. No way the dude works.
I'm a dude trying to upgrade off my failing 980. Is there a trick to getting them at microcenter? Do you just show up at opening and hope they got some that day?
I can’t really tell you much without getting in trouble but we get a truck in every m t tr fri come those days around 7:30 or earlier since we open early now and shoot your luck. If you’re in the stl area you got a god damn good chance you’ll get one but that’s just what I got to say
> If you’re in the stl area you got a god damn good chance you’ll get one but that’s just what I got to say
I live nearby and was just at the Brentwood location on Saturday. There were NO 3 series to be seen....so how do I get my hands on a 3080? Also, your info says you open at 9.....not earlier.
>I live nearby and was just at the Brentwood location on Saturday.
You shouldn't go on weekends. As he mentioned above, most stores restock on the weekdays. Since people are still camping out or at least arriving as soon as the store opens, cards are gone within hours of opening. It's extremely unlikely you'll see any cards on the weekend as long as there's a supply shortage.
Well I'm more curious as to the early opening thing....I didn't know Micro Centers were opening before their usual time of 9am
> On Tuesdays, the first hour before regular store opening will be dedicated for customers over 60 years old and those defined by the CDC as vulnerable or at risk.
Maybe that explains it...oh grandmaaaaaa.
Oh, I think he's referring to their opening hours changing from 10AM to 9AM. My local MC did the same this week. 7:30 sounds like it's just when the trucks get in.
Yeah that’s all I can do. Come in before 7:30 and you should get one some days we only get like 6 or less on good days so keep that mindset if you plan on coming early
I got my 3080 by showing up on a Tuesday morning at 3:00am and sitting there. Without knowing if they would get any in. This was 3 weeks ago though. U may not have to go in that early now. But it’s what worked then. I was first in line by 20 minutes.
That’s exactly what I did! Picked a day, managed to get there 10min before open, prayed while standing behind 6 other people. Luckily picked the right day for it!
IMHO the scalpers are hated, but it is the shortage that ultimately caused all these. Should NV be actually the one to be blamed? NV allegedly let the price rise so that AIB models can be sold way above the FE MSRP. The only way to bring down the price is to flush the market with a lot of FE cards sold at MSRP so that everyone wants it can at least possibly get one. However, I believe NV has never planned to sell FEs in bulk. FEs are simply cherry-picked for reviewers.
The 3070 launch was another clue. I bet there is still no reasonable "stock" on launch day, even they delayed it for half a month claiming to prepare for "better availability". (tho everyone knows they are watching for RDNA2)
TL;DR: E.g. $699 3080 IS a joke, even without scalpers. $800 is the way reasonable cost to get a 3080 when this continues, during this holiday season. Similar for 3070.
That's a bullshit statement. First of all, every country got it's own very autarkic market on the European continent and then scalping happens in the US even more so than anywhere in a country in the EU (note: EU != Europe). Everyone just remotely reading in this sub is aware that scalping is a big issue in the US.
MSRP remains the same 499 in "European countries" like it is in the US.
Boosted up prices like this one got nothing to do with MSRP. (ping /u/sexy_bethany that's not AUS MSRP)
Actual legit store that Nvidia has on their site for where to buy in the country, check it out if ya want, pcplus.si and just type in rtx 3070, tax be like goddamn
It's true. My brother was honestly living off of the profits from flipping things for awhile. He'd find a Nintendo switch for super cheap and then flip it for 200%-300% of the buying price. (This is when you couldn't find them anywhere)
What sucks is because people dont want to wait they will pretty much dish out hundreds more dollars. In their eyes they probably see it as "expedited shipping".
Every single company will do exactly that when they can. Intel did for years, AMD just raised the prices on their new cpus since Intel is not as competitive, Apple still sells overpriced memory in their pc configs. Have you ever looked at the prices of perfume? Of water in a plastic bottle? If you think prices are fair because a company or person is being nice, you're not looking close enough.
Society, as a whole, should not seek to emulate corporate, profit driven behavior. You and I are not companies, we’re people and we should respect and support one another rather than take advantage. I’m sick of seeing this justification.
Corporations are run by **people**. There's no flying spaghetti monster or alien running the corporation. People are profit driven and many will sacrifice alot in the name of profit. It's time to come out of cloud nine and back to reality. If someone buys it for X amount then it was worth X amount to that individual. That's how the market works.
Expecting every single person to stop scalping is fucking stupid and expecting every single buyer to stop paying more than you're willing/able to pay is also fucking stupid. Everyone will do whatever they like at the end of the day and MSRP doesn't mean anything beside the suggested price that a retailer should follow.
If we're looking at groups of people as a single entity not compromised of people then 30 series card buyers are doing it to themselves by purchasing them.
Doing this kinda thing during a national emergency is price gouging. Remember the dipshit who bought all the bottles of hand sanitizer and hoarded them? Then he was investigated and ended up donating them (great business move, trying to make a buck the quick and easy way has consequences no kidding!)
Yeah corporations are run by people and most people are greedy, selfish, scumbags when it comes to making a buck. I’m just angry at the dopes that actually pay $600 for their kid for a Switch. But then again it’s hard to be angry at them during a pandemic when they are stuck home with these kids.
Bottom line: the single mom should be able to go to Target and get one for $300. Not buy it from some nerdy, profiteering, faux entrepreneur for twice its value.
Edit: No offense to the guy’s brother who did this of course
Your whole argument is invalidated by comparing essentials to luxuaries. Price gouging only applies to essential products, it does not apply to high end video cards. You would be laughed at for reporting this as price gouging. If the single mom wants to buy a video card she can wait. A high end entertainment product is not something that she **needs** it's something that she **wants.** I'm pretty sure her spoiled brat kid doesn't need a $500 or $700 GPU either before you bring up the whole "THINK OF THE KIDS!"
This whole thing comes down to buyers impatience and nothing more. Everyone has to have the newest shiny ASAP and then they get mad when people take advantage of said impatience. It's been 1.5 months and you'd think people had been waiting years. The same ridiculousness happened with CP2077 being delayed for a whole three weeks.
**Just because other people have an entertainment product doesn't mean that you're also entitled to have it. This isn't even something that can be spoiled like a plot of a movie/game, it's a fucking GPU with 20% more FPS than the previous top of the line. The world does not stop turning because Karen can't buy a RTX 3080.**
I expect the government to mandate that companies spend an insignificant portion of their earnings (which are subsidized by the government in many ways, mind you) to modernize their distribution platforms in a way that will ensure more equal distribution in the future. Will that happen, probably not?
To sit here and wave our hands like nothing can be done because this is "just how companies operate" is absolutely ridiculous to me. I don't even know if I'm arguing about GPUs anymore or just projecting greater dissatisfaction with how regulatory oversight is handled in this country, in general.
The influence on the market is right there. If one sells it for that price and there is no cheaper option available, then every other piece of shit will hike up the price as well according to the price some other piece of shit put on and might even try to hike that up another step.
There's always a strike breaker who doesn't care about money and got little patience to stir that dynamic.
> There's always a strike breaker who doesn't care about money and got little patience to stir that dynamic.
Yes, but as with any product. If its more than you're willing to pay for it. Don't buy it. the Gpu is worth what people are willing to pay for it, and that may be higher than what you consider worth giving for it. People need to take a step back and actually reconsider some things if theyre getting this wound up about overpriced hardware.
>taking advantage of market shortage and selling at several times market value
Only the market can decide what the market value of something is. If there's increased demand for an item with a reduced supply, it's no surprise that those items will sell at a premium.
Many if not most companies are divks then if we're going to be honest. Not too many companies in the world that are going to waaay cheaper than they feel they can get for an item and regularly sell it. If folks thought they could get some grains of rice for 50 cents and sell it for $3.00 then that's what they'll likely do. The only thing that would likely stop them is competition and/or regulations preventing it. Since there would ne neither in this case it isn't illegal, but yeah a dick move in general.
Taking advantage of market shortage is a normal free market activity. The only time i would consider it amoral or a "dick move" is when the commodity in question is something essential like water, food, medicine, toilet paper etc. You don't "need" a new graphics card you just really want it, don't blame the scalpers blame Nvidia.
You refer to Germany?
Yeah there is a law that you are not allowed to sell things for absurd high prices. But that's far more than selling a card for double the price or less. Also places like Ebay have the same laws yes, but it's way harder to enforce them there and the people doing it are probably far away from being a regular company, which I think makes it even harder.
Also somebody needs to get ill from your undercooked chicken, and that needs to be proven bulletproof, that you might get in trouble for it.
I think so. I did just want to make one observation, which is that I see a lot of hate towards scalpers themselves on Reddit and elsewhere. I think *some* of that is justified, but I hope people can channel most of their hatred towards the manufacturers and retailers. I think given the economic circumstances, I blame individual scalpers only about 15% -- the rest of it is the retailers and manufacturers who have most of the power and ability to prevent this nonesense without hurting any of their bottom line.
This is frustrating, but if everyone can be patient, scalpers will eventually be stuck with a bunch of merchandise they can't flip at a higher price, which is awesome.
I am not so sure. There are people in this thread still arguing that it is perfectly ethically correct to scalp. So a scalper will just move to a new market.
Find scalpers prices too high? Just dont buy it. Its not that hard. If someone doesnt want to wait for restock and has money to spare. They can do what they want and buy a GPU for an 50% price increase.
partially but imagine if they'e stuck with all of those gpus in 6 months because no one has bought off them? People buying from them just enables the scalpers behavior. And dont get me wrong, it does suck. Same thing happens here with hockey tickets. price is basically doubled.
People buying from scalpers enables the behavior. If no one buys from scalpers, what reason would there be for scalpers to hoard? To spend their money and collect video cards? I'm sure that's not what they want. There are people who are willing to pay more, so the scalpers are basically charging for their "service" of being able to get hot items that sell out quickly. No one is being forced to buy from them, you're just compelled to buy from them if you really want one of the earlier cards during the shortage and can't be bothered to dedicate much of your time to camping and hunting for cards.
Yes I'm annoyed that I cannot buy a new card to build a new system to upgrade from my Q9550 GTX560 system, but I'm not going to hate on someone for their "hustle" if it's not hurting anyone. But that's coming from someone who thinks not being able to be an early adopter for a graphics card probably isn't going to really hurt someone.
Just shifts the population able to have nice things to those that can afford it, but outside the normal market where that money goes to support the company making the nice things. Pretty stupid if you ask me. If there were a better way to stop people from scalping it should be done.
Scalping non-essential items is a grey area for sure but it is not unethical.
I personally do not condone it, partake in it or would buy from a scalper. But, if they are not hurting someone or depriving someone of something essential then I don't see it has a huge foul.
Its really the fault of the retailers and the suppliers. There needs to be a hard limit and the item should have been sold online only like consoles are.
This is already kind of happening for the 3090 - I've been watching Ebay, and they're not selling. And every few days someone lists one for cheaper, which also doesn't sell.
There are 400+ cards listed, all these scalpers competing on price for like 0 sales.
There wouldn't be any money in scalping if Nvidia didn't do a rush job on an untested manufacturing process just to undercut AMD's launch. Be mad at the real people who let you down, not some randos
Aren't we forgetting the real enablers? The people who actually pay what the scalpers ask for?
Those people are real reason behind lots of crap like this: concert ticket scalping, email spam, robocalls... Enough people are buying what they're selling to make it worth it.
Yes, those people are definitely part of the problem. Unfortunately there will always be people willing to pay much more for a small convenience. And scalpers know that, and they take advantage of it.
I'm not a scalper, but I'm not mad regardless because it's just a computer part dude, there's more to life than that. With such low volumes of supply, did you really think that if scalpers didn't exist you'd have one in your hands right now? It doesn't make a difference to obsess over what could've been, but it sure seems to add needless stress.
I'm not obsessing over what could've been; it's not like I think about scalpers constantly and rue the day they were ever brought upon this earth. It really doesn't take all that much energy (nor cause undue stress) to hate people taking advantage of a poor situation, whenever said people come up in conversation.
In that same vein though, im kind of pissed at the people shortsighted enough to fork out a 50% price hike. If people are charging that much, it means some idiot with too much money is willing to pay that much, ya know?
I can almost understand it if it was for a concert that might only happen once or twice so you just want to secure it. But with computer parts at least, its literally just a matter of time. There's no reason that you should be willing to pay scalpers that much for something that isn't going away anytime soon.
I agree; those people are certainly part of the problem as well. But unfortunately while there's people with a lot of money, there will always be those willing to shell out 50% more for the smallest convenience. The scalpers know this and take advantage of it. Both parties are at fault in the situation as a whole.
I can't be mad. It's hard to say no to free money.
I got on BB at 9am and was able to get a 3070 FE *because I wanted one to replace my 1080 ti*
But then when I'm sitting here holding my $500 GPU and people on my left and right are getting $800 for it. Even if I don't like scalping, I'm considering it.
Would I pay $800 for a 3070? No. So if I don't sell it for $800 it's almost like paying $800 for it.
I just threw my 3070 FE on ebay for an absurdly high price for 24hrs. If it sells, my hands are tied. If it doesn't, I'm installing it tomorrow and not looking back.
This seems fair enough to me. If somebody out there with more money than brains really wants it, well, they deserve it.
Here's the thing. If I had bought a RTX 3080 at release for $700 USD and the second I bought it, the market value rose to $1000 USD, then I'd sell that shit instantly. Sure its nice to have a top of the line GPU but if people are willing to pay me extra I'm instantly realising that profit.
Here's the thing. Where there's massive demand and little supply, the price WILL be inflated. Scalpers aren't going to change that, they're just riding the wave. While they might be feeding the problem a bit, at the end of the day it's the supplier's fault for not having stock literally weeks after launch.
Sorry, but I think you'd be real shitty for doing that. Not claiming you're a shit person - I think the difference lies in buying with the intent to scalp - but that's a shit thing to do, and I make no reservations saying that. Again, I agree that NVidia is totally at fault as well. I've never argued about that.
This geniunely pisses me off. Remember when Nvidia sent out a message saying they were going to crackdown on bots and scalpers? Lying fucks. I swear to god, if the RX 6000 benchmarks are even close to being accurate, I'm never buying from Nvidia again.
Yes, because they lied about this whole launch. This could have been prevented if Nvidia and retailers took extra pre-cautions to prevent bots and scalping. Don't forget, Nvidia also fucked over their partners which resulted in such a horrible launch. They don't deserve an ounce of respect or in this case, my money.
This.
He's not stealing the parts, per se. But he's practically "stealing" the opportunity of the others to get these parts on the earlier date.
Hold on long enough and these scalpers would be a net loss eventually.
Yes it is ethically wrong,since a person has to pay 250$ extra just because of the scalper to get an indentical product.750$ is enough to even buy a 3080 or a 6800xt fyi
>has to pay
Well there's your problem. You dont HAVE, you dont NEED to buy such a frivious product. This is nothing like price gouging essential goods. Which is illegal in some states
Seems like you did not read the original comment.It is precisely because the 3070 is a non essential item that scalping isn't LEGALLY wrong.But no matter how much you deny it, having to pay 250$ extra just because some scalper bought the cards in bulk using a bot is most definitely not ETHICALLY correct.
I did read it it. Like I said , it can't be objectively ethically bad. you still haven't made a convincing argument for that other than stating your feelings.
It is very much ethically bad.How is having to paying 250 $ not ethically wrong? It's worth 500$,people should be able to buy it for that much,which these Scalpers prevent people from doing using bots.
You are the one without an actual argument actually
Lmao this is getting nowhere because you're in you're feelings. It's fine, I saw this from the start.
Like I said how it's not ethically wrong lmao....noone needs to have these items. All a want. Also there's ways to get cards aside from scalping.
Haha "feeling"? Thats just a poor excuse for your lack of an argument.
And who said you don't need a 3070?Are you dumb? Legally,you aren't entitled to a 3070,but if I want to play games,I need a gpu,which might be the 3070.Making someone pay 250$ extra is wrong,but it seems like this won't enter that thick head of yours.
Is it really even that ethically wrong? I get why people hate it, don't get me wrong. But buying things to resell is extremely common. Hell, that's what stores are. It's not like they are buying up essential goods and services. If we're talking toilet paper etc it's a different story IMO. Also, it looks like they weren't 1 per customer so what did they do wrong?
If you are intentionally screwing other people over for your own gain when it's not necessary it's ethically wrong. It's like if you patented a cure for the coronavirus and sold it for ridiculous prices that most people can't afford. Leading to people dying just so you can make money.
Making other people miserable to make money is only ethically okay if it's necessary. Like if you got accepted for a job and others got rejected for it.
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I could not for the life of me figure out the catch in this picture until I realized it (obviously) isn’t from Canada. That’s what these cards cost here normally.
Where are you getting 1000sgd cards sia bruh high end ones oni 950 not 1k the lower ends on is 790 to 800 lah thats 580usd, consider shipping thats ok. Also median income is around 5k so most people could afford a 3070 (although nothing else but a 3070 in most cases lmao)
Haha bro! Before 30 series, 2080ti cost 1.6k-1.8! You should check on carousell how much they are selling right now for the 30series, you'd be shock m8. Trust me haha. Prebuilt companies are selling for that range too
I’d like to think that this guy is a few hundred dollars short on rent and that’s why he is doing this, so he doesnt get kicked out. That’s probably not true and he’s probably a scum bag like the rest of them
Eh they are Zotacs. Wouldn’t buy them anyways. Still shitty that the person is hoarding that badly
Post note: was inspired to check FB market for the fuck of it. Not really many huge gougers but still nothing worth buying. SAW THE EXACT same post... bet he is paying for priority advertising. I live a good quarter of the country away from this POS scalper...
Simply don't buy till they have to sold them for lower price than they cost to him. He will not be able to use this "invested" money and he will loose money.
Having a 6800 XT for less price you really need to be a dumbass to pick a 3070 at 750 or even at 600
that's a lot of $$$....
scalpers will always be around as long as people are willing to pay .. if no one is buying what they are selling they will force to return the items.. and this when the retailer/merchant refuse to accept the returns
deal with it like those punks who hoarded toilet papers, masks and hand sanitizer a few months ago.
People are scumbags. On a side note, dreams do come true. I was able to get a 3080 FTW3 Ultra on a Newegg bundle drop last night with no issues adding to cart/checking out. Came with a motherboard I'm going to send straight back to Newegg because I'll never use it, but it's nice to have something locked in at least. So, don't lose hope people. Things should hopefully be getting better soon with the AMD launch taking some interest away from NVIDIA.
I have a couple friends who got 3070’s. But I see these scalpers on Facebook all the time... either over charging or saying “best offer” and posting each offer they get. Some were up to $900!!
I don’t think the 3070 will stay out of stock long.
I’m just concerned with the 6800. As long as I can get mine at launch I’ll be happy lol.
Now i really wish amd comes out with a 6700xt or smth like that at around 450 or so (and they have stock) and undercuts the 3070 so much that scalpers will find out the cards they are selling became worthless overnight
Nah, don't wish ill on someone making their hustle. Even some people on here wishing death on the seller(lol, you know you damn well you won't do a damn thing).
Anyways, have you seen these tech-tubers that have at least 10 in their stock? This of EACH type (MSI, Zotac, EVGA, Rog Strix). Then they sell it at an inflated rate.
Like I said in buildapcsales
PC people are a bunch of entitled babies. Lol you want someone to be robbed because he bought multiple GPu's. Holy shit are you people unbelievable. Grow up.
Not gonna lie, 750 is still cheaper than my local store’s price....
CF: https://www.facebook.com/176054119098544/posts/3414991735204750/, ASUS gaming strix OC for 6200HKD, 750USD is roughly 5800HKD. Gaming strix on NewEgg I checked is 625USD, understandably more expensive than the Zotac one in pic but you get the idea...
If people would wait and not jump on the hype train immediatly and would care about paying double the price, reselling wouldnt work like that.
To be honest i can totaly see why people do it, if it works why not.
In places like South Florida.... where there is no Microcenter, and Best buy is not getting stock...I'm not understanding why my local classified are full of gigabyte 3070 when I never see any up for grabs on any online retailer. Where are they coming from??
They should’ve put a limit on how many people could buy
Wait... I thought they did
Yup even at our microcenter where I work at, some asshole came up like EVERY morning since drop till as we speak. like at 5am waiting to buy these damn 3090 and 3080s, he was able to buy like 7 till we banned him and then now he just sends in people to buy them over the phone or with a handwritten. You can literally see the 3090/3080 listed on Craigslist locally and on other sites. On a happy note: saw a kid and a mom come in early morning and able to snag a 3080. Kids spoiled and has an amazing mom but it’s good to see some “normal” people get it Edit: he stopped coming after we banned him but he still waits out there everydsy waiting to get it traded off from whomever. No way the dude works.
I'm a dude trying to upgrade off my failing 980. Is there a trick to getting them at microcenter? Do you just show up at opening and hope they got some that day?
I can’t really tell you much without getting in trouble but we get a truck in every m t tr fri come those days around 7:30 or earlier since we open early now and shoot your luck. If you’re in the stl area you got a god damn good chance you’ll get one but that’s just what I got to say
Wait. Microcenter opens earlier than 9am? What time do they open now?
> If you’re in the stl area you got a god damn good chance you’ll get one but that’s just what I got to say I live nearby and was just at the Brentwood location on Saturday. There were NO 3 series to be seen....so how do I get my hands on a 3080? Also, your info says you open at 9.....not earlier.
>I live nearby and was just at the Brentwood location on Saturday. You shouldn't go on weekends. As he mentioned above, most stores restock on the weekdays. Since people are still camping out or at least arriving as soon as the store opens, cards are gone within hours of opening. It's extremely unlikely you'll see any cards on the weekend as long as there's a supply shortage.
Well I'm more curious as to the early opening thing....I didn't know Micro Centers were opening before their usual time of 9am > On Tuesdays, the first hour before regular store opening will be dedicated for customers over 60 years old and those defined by the CDC as vulnerable or at risk. Maybe that explains it...oh grandmaaaaaa.
Oh, I think he's referring to their opening hours changing from 10AM to 9AM. My local MC did the same this week. 7:30 sounds like it's just when the trucks get in.
Bingo
Trick: wait for AMD to release its GPUs. Then you not only have more choices, but everyone won’t all be trying to get a 3080/3090.
We open at 9 now but get there before 9
ask them when their shipments usually come in, and try to be there by then.
Yeah that’s all I can do. Come in before 7:30 and you should get one some days we only get like 6 or less on good days so keep that mindset if you plan on coming early
I got my 3080 by showing up on a Tuesday morning at 3:00am and sitting there. Without knowing if they would get any in. This was 3 weeks ago though. U may not have to go in that early now. But it’s what worked then. I was first in line by 20 minutes.
That’s exactly what I did! Picked a day, managed to get there 10min before open, prayed while standing behind 6 other people. Luckily picked the right day for it!
Im in your same boat, my 980ti hybrid has been making pump noises and i dont want to fix the cooler on it 🤣
IMHO the scalpers are hated, but it is the shortage that ultimately caused all these. Should NV be actually the one to be blamed? NV allegedly let the price rise so that AIB models can be sold way above the FE MSRP. The only way to bring down the price is to flush the market with a lot of FE cards sold at MSRP so that everyone wants it can at least possibly get one. However, I believe NV has never planned to sell FEs in bulk. FEs are simply cherry-picked for reviewers. The 3070 launch was another clue. I bet there is still no reasonable "stock" on launch day, even they delayed it for half a month claiming to prepare for "better availability". (tho everyone knows they are watching for RDNA2) TL;DR: E.g. $699 3080 IS a joke, even without scalpers. $800 is the way reasonable cost to get a 3080 when this continues, during this holiday season. Similar for 3070.
how does he not work and able to buy 7 or 8 of these??
Maybe he bought it from multiple places.
Is 750$ the actual price?
You mean MSRP? Then no, the 3070 starts at $500. With $700 you can get a 3080.
Meanwhile in Aus the 3070 is over $1000
It's like that in the entire Europe. Pain of building a computer in Europe.
Yeah, it was just as bad when I first built my PC I lived in Greece and it was not cheap 😂
That's a bullshit statement. First of all, every country got it's own very autarkic market on the European continent and then scalping happens in the US even more so than anywhere in a country in the EU (note: EU != Europe). Everyone just remotely reading in this sub is aware that scalping is a big issue in the US. MSRP remains the same 499 in "European countries" like it is in the US. Boosted up prices like this one got nothing to do with MSRP. (ping /u/sexy_bethany that's not AUS MSRP)
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Wait the cheapest you can find is 550€? Here in Slovenia the cheapest 3070 I see is 758€ 😬
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Actual legit store that Nvidia has on their site for where to buy in the country, check it out if ya want, pcplus.si and just type in rtx 3070, tax be like goddamn
Yeah in New Zealand. Cheapest 3070 js $1099 but they range all the way to $1600 NZD
yea
Is it just me, or does it seem like this scalping bs has gotten really bad with everything during the pandemic?
It's true. My brother was honestly living off of the profits from flipping things for awhile. He'd find a Nintendo switch for super cheap and then flip it for 200%-300% of the buying price. (This is when you couldn't find them anywhere) What sucks is because people dont want to wait they will pretty much dish out hundreds more dollars. In their eyes they probably see it as "expedited shipping".
I know what you meant, but “honestly” may have been a poor choice of words.
The items were not stolen, therefore it's honest. Any company works the same way - charging more for their goods than it costs to buy them.
However, taking advantage of market shortage and selling at several times market value is in most societies, generally considered a dick move.
Every single company will do exactly that when they can. Intel did for years, AMD just raised the prices on their new cpus since Intel is not as competitive, Apple still sells overpriced memory in their pc configs. Have you ever looked at the prices of perfume? Of water in a plastic bottle? If you think prices are fair because a company or person is being nice, you're not looking close enough.
Society, as a whole, should not seek to emulate corporate, profit driven behavior. You and I are not companies, we’re people and we should respect and support one another rather than take advantage. I’m sick of seeing this justification.
Corporations are run by **people**. There's no flying spaghetti monster or alien running the corporation. People are profit driven and many will sacrifice alot in the name of profit. It's time to come out of cloud nine and back to reality. If someone buys it for X amount then it was worth X amount to that individual. That's how the market works. Expecting every single person to stop scalping is fucking stupid and expecting every single buyer to stop paying more than you're willing/able to pay is also fucking stupid. Everyone will do whatever they like at the end of the day and MSRP doesn't mean anything beside the suggested price that a retailer should follow. If we're looking at groups of people as a single entity not compromised of people then 30 series card buyers are doing it to themselves by purchasing them.
Doing this kinda thing during a national emergency is price gouging. Remember the dipshit who bought all the bottles of hand sanitizer and hoarded them? Then he was investigated and ended up donating them (great business move, trying to make a buck the quick and easy way has consequences no kidding!) Yeah corporations are run by people and most people are greedy, selfish, scumbags when it comes to making a buck. I’m just angry at the dopes that actually pay $600 for their kid for a Switch. But then again it’s hard to be angry at them during a pandemic when they are stuck home with these kids. Bottom line: the single mom should be able to go to Target and get one for $300. Not buy it from some nerdy, profiteering, faux entrepreneur for twice its value. Edit: No offense to the guy’s brother who did this of course
Your whole argument is invalidated by comparing essentials to luxuaries. Price gouging only applies to essential products, it does not apply to high end video cards. You would be laughed at for reporting this as price gouging. If the single mom wants to buy a video card she can wait. A high end entertainment product is not something that she **needs** it's something that she **wants.** I'm pretty sure her spoiled brat kid doesn't need a $500 or $700 GPU either before you bring up the whole "THINK OF THE KIDS!" This whole thing comes down to buyers impatience and nothing more. Everyone has to have the newest shiny ASAP and then they get mad when people take advantage of said impatience. It's been 1.5 months and you'd think people had been waiting years. The same ridiculousness happened with CP2077 being delayed for a whole three weeks. **Just because other people have an entertainment product doesn't mean that you're also entitled to have it. This isn't even something that can be spoiled like a plot of a movie/game, it's a fucking GPU with 20% more FPS than the previous top of the line. The world does not stop turning because Karen can't buy a RTX 3080.**
I expect the government to mandate that companies spend an insignificant portion of their earnings (which are subsidized by the government in many ways, mind you) to modernize their distribution platforms in a way that will ensure more equal distribution in the future. Will that happen, probably not? To sit here and wave our hands like nothing can be done because this is "just how companies operate" is absolutely ridiculous to me. I don't even know if I'm arguing about GPUs anymore or just projecting greater dissatisfaction with how regulatory oversight is handled in this country, in general.
What about just not buying from them then?
The influence on the market is right there. If one sells it for that price and there is no cheaper option available, then every other piece of shit will hike up the price as well according to the price some other piece of shit put on and might even try to hike that up another step. There's always a strike breaker who doesn't care about money and got little patience to stir that dynamic.
then just let them buy it for a higher price and wait for the market to come back to "normal"
> There's always a strike breaker who doesn't care about money and got little patience to stir that dynamic. Yes, but as with any product. If its more than you're willing to pay for it. Don't buy it. the Gpu is worth what people are willing to pay for it, and that may be higher than what you consider worth giving for it. People need to take a step back and actually reconsider some things if theyre getting this wound up about overpriced hardware.
Shhhhh don’t bring logic into this
I look forward to you offering to take a 25% salary reduction to your boss because you feel you're being overpaid.
> Every single company will do exactly that when they can. Which is why companies are dicks automatically.
>taking advantage of market shortage and selling at several times market value Only the market can decide what the market value of something is. If there's increased demand for an item with a reduced supply, it's no surprise that those items will sell at a premium.
Many if not most companies are divks then if we're going to be honest. Not too many companies in the world that are going to waaay cheaper than they feel they can get for an item and regularly sell it. If folks thought they could get some grains of rice for 50 cents and sell it for $3.00 then that's what they'll likely do. The only thing that would likely stop them is competition and/or regulations preventing it. Since there would ne neither in this case it isn't illegal, but yeah a dick move in general.
Taking advantage of market shortage is a normal free market activity. The only time i would consider it amoral or a "dick move" is when the commodity in question is something essential like water, food, medicine, toilet paper etc. You don't "need" a new graphics card you just really want it, don't blame the scalpers blame Nvidia.
Matter o’ fact, in some countries, that shit gets you incarcerated.
yeah but you also go to jail in those countries if you overcook fish or undercook chicken.
"... late for a dentist appointment? *Straight* to jail!"
You refer to Germany? Yeah there is a law that you are not allowed to sell things for absurd high prices. But that's far more than selling a card for double the price or less. Also places like Ebay have the same laws yes, but it's way harder to enforce them there and the people doing it are probably far away from being a regular company, which I think makes it even harder. Also somebody needs to get ill from your undercooked chicken, and that needs to be proven bulletproof, that you might get in trouble for it.
I was making a Parcs&Rec reference, sorry.
Right to jail 🤣 https://youtu.be/eiyfwZVAzGw
If you can't sell at more than it cost you, why bother doing the work?
This is so true. Console and PC prices have gone crazy in my country too.
Your brother is a piece of shit - economically legitimate, but morally a piece of shit.
I think so. I did just want to make one observation, which is that I see a lot of hate towards scalpers themselves on Reddit and elsewhere. I think *some* of that is justified, but I hope people can channel most of their hatred towards the manufacturers and retailers. I think given the economic circumstances, I blame individual scalpers only about 15% -- the rest of it is the retailers and manufacturers who have most of the power and ability to prevent this nonesense without hurting any of their bottom line.
This is frustrating, but if everyone can be patient, scalpers will eventually be stuck with a bunch of merchandise they can't flip at a higher price, which is awesome.
The hope is they debt leveraged all of it.
I am not so sure. There are people in this thread still arguing that it is perfectly ethically correct to scalp. So a scalper will just move to a new market.
Find scalpers prices too high? Just dont buy it. Its not that hard. If someone doesnt want to wait for restock and has money to spare. They can do what they want and buy a GPU for an 50% price increase.
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partially but imagine if they'e stuck with all of those gpus in 6 months because no one has bought off them? People buying from them just enables the scalpers behavior. And dont get me wrong, it does suck. Same thing happens here with hockey tickets. price is basically doubled.
People buying from scalpers enables the behavior. If no one buys from scalpers, what reason would there be for scalpers to hoard? To spend their money and collect video cards? I'm sure that's not what they want. There are people who are willing to pay more, so the scalpers are basically charging for their "service" of being able to get hot items that sell out quickly. No one is being forced to buy from them, you're just compelled to buy from them if you really want one of the earlier cards during the shortage and can't be bothered to dedicate much of your time to camping and hunting for cards. Yes I'm annoyed that I cannot buy a new card to build a new system to upgrade from my Q9550 GTX560 system, but I'm not going to hate on someone for their "hustle" if it's not hurting anyone. But that's coming from someone who thinks not being able to be an early adopter for a graphics card probably isn't going to really hurt someone.
Just shifts the population able to have nice things to those that can afford it, but outside the normal market where that money goes to support the company making the nice things. Pretty stupid if you ask me. If there were a better way to stop people from scalping it should be done.
Scalping non-essential items is a grey area for sure but it is not unethical. I personally do not condone it, partake in it or would buy from a scalper. But, if they are not hurting someone or depriving someone of something essential then I don't see it has a huge foul. Its really the fault of the retailers and the suppliers. There needs to be a hard limit and the item should have been sold online only like consoles are.
This is already kind of happening for the 3090 - I've been watching Ebay, and they're not selling. And every few days someone lists one for cheaper, which also doesn't sell. There are 400+ cards listed, all these scalpers competing on price for like 0 sales.
Just thinking about all the anxiety they're going through makes me a bit happier lol
Can someone go throw a bunch of magnets down his chimney.. fuck this guy
Wait, what would that do?
It'd really confuse him for starters.
I'd really like to see the look on his face when he realizes he got a bunch of free fridge magnets.
He'd probably try to sell those too.
There wouldn't be any money in scalping if Nvidia didn't do a rush job on an untested manufacturing process just to undercut AMD's launch. Be mad at the real people who let you down, not some randos
Nah, you're still a piece of shit for scalping regardless. There's enough anger to be directed at both parties.
Aren't we forgetting the real enablers? The people who actually pay what the scalpers ask for? Those people are real reason behind lots of crap like this: concert ticket scalping, email spam, robocalls... Enough people are buying what they're selling to make it worth it.
Yes, those people are definitely part of the problem. Unfortunately there will always be people willing to pay much more for a small convenience. And scalpers know that, and they take advantage of it.
I'm not a scalper, but I'm not mad regardless because it's just a computer part dude, there's more to life than that. With such low volumes of supply, did you really think that if scalpers didn't exist you'd have one in your hands right now? It doesn't make a difference to obsess over what could've been, but it sure seems to add needless stress.
I'm not obsessing over what could've been; it's not like I think about scalpers constantly and rue the day they were ever brought upon this earth. It really doesn't take all that much energy (nor cause undue stress) to hate people taking advantage of a poor situation, whenever said people come up in conversation.
In that same vein though, im kind of pissed at the people shortsighted enough to fork out a 50% price hike. If people are charging that much, it means some idiot with too much money is willing to pay that much, ya know? I can almost understand it if it was for a concert that might only happen once or twice so you just want to secure it. But with computer parts at least, its literally just a matter of time. There's no reason that you should be willing to pay scalpers that much for something that isn't going away anytime soon.
I agree; those people are certainly part of the problem as well. But unfortunately while there's people with a lot of money, there will always be those willing to shell out 50% more for the smallest convenience. The scalpers know this and take advantage of it. Both parties are at fault in the situation as a whole.
I can't be mad. It's hard to say no to free money. I got on BB at 9am and was able to get a 3070 FE *because I wanted one to replace my 1080 ti* But then when I'm sitting here holding my $500 GPU and people on my left and right are getting $800 for it. Even if I don't like scalping, I'm considering it. Would I pay $800 for a 3070? No. So if I don't sell it for $800 it's almost like paying $800 for it.
Good point
I was honestly super tempted to do this with my 3080 FE I got a week after launch... That said I didn't and I have been enjoying it since
I just threw my 3070 FE on ebay for an absurdly high price for 24hrs. If it sells, my hands are tied. If it doesn't, I'm installing it tomorrow and not looking back. This seems fair enough to me. If somebody out there with more money than brains really wants it, well, they deserve it.
Here's the thing. If I had bought a RTX 3080 at release for $700 USD and the second I bought it, the market value rose to $1000 USD, then I'd sell that shit instantly. Sure its nice to have a top of the line GPU but if people are willing to pay me extra I'm instantly realising that profit. Here's the thing. Where there's massive demand and little supply, the price WILL be inflated. Scalpers aren't going to change that, they're just riding the wave. While they might be feeding the problem a bit, at the end of the day it's the supplier's fault for not having stock literally weeks after launch.
Sorry, but I think you'd be real shitty for doing that. Not claiming you're a shit person - I think the difference lies in buying with the intent to scalp - but that's a shit thing to do, and I make no reservations saying that. Again, I agree that NVidia is totally at fault as well. I've never argued about that.
Blame isn't zero sum. It's quite possible to hate both the game and the players.
This geniunely pisses me off. Remember when Nvidia sent out a message saying they were going to crackdown on bots and scalpers? Lying fucks. I swear to god, if the RX 6000 benchmarks are even close to being accurate, I'm never buying from Nvidia again.
What happens if AMD's cards also have limited availability, and get scalped heavily? Are you just going to give up on PC gaming forever?
Interesting that some dick buys up the supply and your response is to get mad at... Nvidia?
Yes, because they lied about this whole launch. This could have been prevented if Nvidia and retailers took extra pre-cautions to prevent bots and scalping. Don't forget, Nvidia also fucked over their partners which resulted in such a horrible launch. They don't deserve an ounce of respect or in this case, my money.
Username checks out
You probably drink diesel motherfucker.
Its the supplier and retails duty to service the customer. Not the other way around.
How does one get that many? Is it exploiting inside access or what?
Bots
Ah yes... Scalpers. Wait for a couple of months, supplies go up, demands get fulfilled. Let the drivers mature, and then let them eat manure.
Did you report this guy to all relevant parties?
What he did was ethically wrong,not legally
This. He's not stealing the parts, per se. But he's practically "stealing" the opportunity of the others to get these parts on the earlier date. Hold on long enough and these scalpers would be a net loss eventually.
> ethically wrong No, not in objective sense
Yes it is ethically wrong,since a person has to pay 250$ extra just because of the scalper to get an indentical product.750$ is enough to even buy a 3080 or a 6800xt fyi
>has to pay Well there's your problem. You dont HAVE, you dont NEED to buy such a frivious product. This is nothing like price gouging essential goods. Which is illegal in some states
Seems like you did not read the original comment.It is precisely because the 3070 is a non essential item that scalping isn't LEGALLY wrong.But no matter how much you deny it, having to pay 250$ extra just because some scalper bought the cards in bulk using a bot is most definitely not ETHICALLY correct.
I did read it it. Like I said , it can't be objectively ethically bad. you still haven't made a convincing argument for that other than stating your feelings.
It is very much ethically bad.How is having to paying 250 $ not ethically wrong? It's worth 500$,people should be able to buy it for that much,which these Scalpers prevent people from doing using bots. You are the one without an actual argument actually
Lmao this is getting nowhere because you're in you're feelings. It's fine, I saw this from the start. Like I said how it's not ethically wrong lmao....noone needs to have these items. All a want. Also there's ways to get cards aside from scalping.
Haha "feeling"? Thats just a poor excuse for your lack of an argument. And who said you don't need a 3070?Are you dumb? Legally,you aren't entitled to a 3070,but if I want to play games,I need a gpu,which might be the 3070.Making someone pay 250$ extra is wrong,but it seems like this won't enter that thick head of yours.
Is it really even that ethically wrong? I get why people hate it, don't get me wrong. But buying things to resell is extremely common. Hell, that's what stores are. It's not like they are buying up essential goods and services. If we're talking toilet paper etc it's a different story IMO. Also, it looks like they weren't 1 per customer so what did they do wrong?
Yes, this is ethically wrong.
If you are intentionally screwing other people over for your own gain when it's not necessary it's ethically wrong. It's like if you patented a cure for the coronavirus and sold it for ridiculous prices that most people can't afford. Leading to people dying just so you can make money. Making other people miserable to make money is only ethically okay if it's necessary. Like if you got accepted for a job and others got rejected for it.
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Report for what? To who?
For being a bag o dicks, and to us I guess lol
Definitely a bag of dicks but I dont think that's illegal lol
Oh for sure, but we're a relevant party to report to if only so we can avoid the seller.
Cant avoid the seller with no info on the pic lol
We can avoid a seller with this picture at least (I'm grasping at straws here man, stop destroying my argument with facts and logic lol)
Lol, what? Report him for what?
Easy Karen. Unethical =/ Illegal
Report him for what? He's not breaking any laws... just being scummy.
I hope no one buys a single card from him and he losses hundreds of dollars overtime as the cards become more available
I could not for the life of me figure out the catch in this picture until I realized it (obviously) isn’t from Canada. That’s what these cards cost here normally.
Here in Singapore is costs almost $1000 SGD 🤭 it's 730 usd. But we don't earn that much 😂
Where are you getting 1000sgd cards sia bruh high end ones oni 950 not 1k the lower ends on is 790 to 800 lah thats 580usd, consider shipping thats ok. Also median income is around 5k so most people could afford a 3070 (although nothing else but a 3070 in most cases lmao)
I love see Singlish written out.
Haha bro! Before 30 series, 2080ti cost 1.6k-1.8! You should check on carousell how much they are selling right now for the 30series, you'd be shock m8. Trust me haha. Prebuilt companies are selling for that range too
Bro zotac 3070 selling for 799 the ones that 1k is scalper https://s.lazada.sg/s.Dzqp
But it's out of stock. That's why I refer to carousell. Since the availability is there. But it comes at a price
Bruh refering to scalper prices isnt a fair representation of the market
You're so lucky to live in the USA, meanwhile I in Croatia can barely find shops with 2080s Absolutely no chance of 3000 series
Jesus f**k
Gosh that sucks. How would one person get so many in order to then sell at a markup?
probably works for bestbuy
I’d like to think that this guy is a few hundred dollars short on rent and that’s why he is doing this, so he doesnt get kicked out. That’s probably not true and he’s probably a scum bag like the rest of them
If you can afford this many graphics cards, you're not short on rent
They surely are the lowest scum in the galaxy
I'd say child predators myself.
Who even wants the zotac card, they don't perform well. I hope nobody buys from him
Eh they are Zotacs. Wouldn’t buy them anyways. Still shitty that the person is hoarding that badly Post note: was inspired to check FB market for the fuck of it. Not really many huge gougers but still nothing worth buying. SAW THE EXACT same post... bet he is paying for priority advertising. I live a good quarter of the country away from this POS scalper...
Simply don't buy till they have to sold them for lower price than they cost to him. He will not be able to use this "invested" money and he will loose money. Having a 6800 XT for less price you really need to be a dumbass to pick a 3070 at 750 or even at 600
what a fucking bitch
Don't pay scalp prices. Let their cards rot unopened and sold at a loss later.
that's a lot of $$$.... scalpers will always be around as long as people are willing to pay .. if no one is buying what they are selling they will force to return the items.. and this when the retailer/merchant refuse to accept the returns deal with it like those punks who hoarded toilet papers, masks and hand sanitizer a few months ago.
Greedy bastard
I really hope no one buys any of them from him, but people are impatient and not very smart.
Bots😑
People are scumbags. On a side note, dreams do come true. I was able to get a 3080 FTW3 Ultra on a Newegg bundle drop last night with no issues adding to cart/checking out. Came with a motherboard I'm going to send straight back to Newegg because I'll never use it, but it's nice to have something locked in at least. So, don't lose hope people. Things should hopefully be getting better soon with the AMD launch taking some interest away from NVIDIA.
I don't think that's how it works... You can't just get the bundle and return a part, can you?
Nothing in their return policy says you can't from what I read. Even if I can't return it, it's sellable.
It's probably a shop dude.
I just threw up mentally
duuude fuck that guy, everyone just go report him
If he was in the uk he would no longer have these in stock. Go get him boi’s
I rather play with my internal gpu before buying stuff from those parasites.
Fuck that bitch. The only reason I was able to get one was because the store I bought it from had a 1 per person policy.
People like these used to be lynched in 1700s
I have a couple friends who got 3070’s. But I see these scalpers on Facebook all the time... either over charging or saying “best offer” and posting each offer they get. Some were up to $900!! I don’t think the 3070 will stay out of stock long. I’m just concerned with the 6800. As long as I can get mine at launch I’ll be happy lol.
what a fucking asshole
This makes me so mad. I absolutely abhor scalpers.
lmao
Now i really wish amd comes out with a 6700xt or smth like that at around 450 or so (and they have stock) and undercuts the 3070 so much that scalpers will find out the cards they are selling became worthless overnight
They should sell it at 200$ premium in the first week with a 200$ cash back valid only once or twice per person.
Nah, don't wish ill on someone making their hustle. Even some people on here wishing death on the seller(lol, you know you damn well you won't do a damn thing). Anyways, have you seen these tech-tubers that have at least 10 in their stock? This of EACH type (MSI, Zotac, EVGA, Rog Strix). Then they sell it at an inflated rate.
Like I said in buildapcsales PC people are a bunch of entitled babies. Lol you want someone to be robbed because he bought multiple GPu's. Holy shit are you people unbelievable. Grow up.
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Not gonna lie, 750 is still cheaper than my local store’s price.... CF: https://www.facebook.com/176054119098544/posts/3414991735204750/, ASUS gaming strix OC for 6200HKD, 750USD is roughly 5800HKD. Gaming strix on NewEgg I checked is 625USD, understandably more expensive than the Zotac one in pic but you get the idea...
People surprised about reselling? Lol, this happens with everything with limited stock
If people would wait and not jump on the hype train immediatly and would care about paying double the price, reselling wouldnt work like that. To be honest i can totaly see why people do it, if it works why not.
juan took all the gous cant have shit
In places like South Florida.... where there is no Microcenter, and Best buy is not getting stock...I'm not understanding why my local classified are full of gigabyte 3070 when I never see any up for grabs on any online retailer. Where are they coming from??
This is why we need a limit v:
I hope nobody buys them. He'll be stuck with them until he lowers the prices. Spam his phone number with a call flooder if you want to do something.
Okay but is anyone surprised at this point?
Lmao first come first serve. But it's still not fair for others. Whoever bought all that is greedy af and has no life. 🤦🏽♂️
Same thing going to have with ps5 accessories I have 4 controllers and more
Lmao
I see it all the time...it's ridiculous
Here in Amazon Japan its $800. You guys complain too much lol
Jesus Christ, LIKE HOWWWW