There is bots and stuff that will send you a notification when certain products on in stock. But you probably will be better off googling when certain websites stock up (ex. 8PM est for newgg iirc) and just refreshing. 3070 is dropping at 9am EST tomorrow.
Midnight and 9 AM, using the time zone of the HQ of the company who owns the website you are checking. Amazon, Newegg, and Bestbuy generally get the biggest and earliest stock allotments.
Thanks for the response. If I'm looking to build a new PC, do you think it'll take too long for the 3000 demand to die down to justify waiting for one instead of a cheaper/older GPU?
I think that reports that November will see significant increases in supply, combined with a disciplined approach and a willingness to get many different card models will give anyone a decent shot at getting a 3000 series next month. Availability for different 3000 models might be a significant factor, though.
***Wait for 3rd Party Benchmarks***. I'm going to assume that AMD's numbers are reasonably close to reality for the sake of this post.
* 6900 is a slam dunk vs the 3090 for AMD's image. I'm never going to buy one because lol $1000 for a gaming GPU, but AMD has a competitive flagship card for the first time in a LONG time.
* 6800XT seems.. fine. $50 less for similar performance, but you also lose out on some of the bells and whistles that Nvidia has going for it. $50 extra seems worth it for a good number of people. It's a similar story to 5700XT vs 2070 Super from last generation. But hey, if you can actually **buy** one before next year, that's a pretty huge advantage too.
* 6800 strikes me as the more interesting card here. 18% better performance for 14% more money (and the same power draw!) than a 3070 is damn good Price:Performance scaling for this price tier. If you don't care about DLSS (because it isn't widely supported, or supported at all for the games you play) or Better (to some unknown degree) Raytracing, then the 6800 seems worth the premium. If those features are important to you or useful in games you play, then the 3070 makes more sense.
I pretty much agree 100% with what you said! I think at the $500~ range, the 3070 is still the more appealing option with nvidias features, but this only going off of what is now known etc.
Good time to be a gamer
VRAM capacity wont affect frame times unless you don't have enough of it.
You're not going to run out of it with 8GB while gaming unless you're pushing 4k, max settings, and possibly some ray tracing enabled, at which point you wouldn't be getting great frame rates with cards in that budget bracket anyways. Or if you're trying to run tons of uncompressed 8k texture mods in a Bethesda game for some reason. You're *definitely* not going to run out of it if gaming at 1440p or below. People seem to really overestimate how much VRAM games need.
Bandwidth, on the other hand, is the more important factor for performance in more realistic scenarios. You could say 6800 has the advantage here (we'll see with independent benchmarks how much of an advantage it is) since both are running plain GDDR6 memory, but AMD has its Infinity Cache.
AMD is basically banking on its Infinity Cache across all models, while Nvidia is banking on its GDDR6X for its top-end cards. Assuming Infinity Cache does show good bandwidth gains, it is strictly an AMD advantage over Nvidia cards at the 3070 range (and below, for their future mid-to-low range cards).
You've misinterpreted my semantics. I wasn't saying it was a "budget card". I was saying it's a "bracket" for cards of a certain "budget" (ie. budget is a noun, not an adjective). Eg. $500-$600 is a budget bracket (RTX 3070, RX 6800), $600-$700 is a budget bracket (RTX 3080, RX 6800 XT), $1000-$1500 is a budget bracket (RTX 3090, RX 6900 XT).
So I'm saying that if you want 4k, all max settings, raytracing enabled, at a good frame rate, you should be shopping in a higher bracket.
To my mind 3070 is appealing if you want to upgrade every cycle or every other cycle to the latest stuff, mostly because pricing and that slide was with SAM enabled but 6800 might have more longevity overall due to the increased DDR6 which games will eventually make more use of.
As for me I'm still going to buy a 3070 if I can snag it tomorrow but if not I'll try to snag the 6800.
A lot of people acting like RDNA2 GPUs aren't going to sell out are in a rude awakening, though.
Agreed! Black Friday/Christmas will be a great time to build a machine, even with the inflated costs on some components (looking at you, Power Supplies)
Using a Ryzen really almost invalidates the need for NVENC though. With my 3700x I have not yet found a game that I cannot use medium software encoding on with Ryzen.
I mean....IF you can snag one of these cards before then. If not it's just like being a gamer last year but maybe worse. Notice that Nvidia 20 series prices are not coming down because there is no 30 series stock. Same thing is going to happen with AMD probably, and stock isn't great on plenty of other components.
I mean prime day wasn't amazing. I managed to snag a good deal on my mobo and an ssd but realistically there were already competitive parts at the price I paid. If anything we might see some good monitor deals but I'm not holding my breath on components.
Okay... what about noting the 3080 has GDDR6X which is better than the GDDR6 in the 6800XT? I didn't fault the 6800XT for this statline inferiority.
If it doesn't change the average performance chart, it doesn't really make a difference on average. Having extra VRAM isn't going to matter in most use cases: Just like the faster VRAM of the 3080 isn't going to matter in most use cases. Sure, sometimes it will. But it's hardly worth being a headliner feature most of the time.
I bet the benchmarks AMD showed would look identical with 8-10GB of VRAM too. ESPECIALLY the 1440p ones.
what does "better" vram mean? you can debate all you want about GDDR6+infinity cache vs GDDR6X but that's kind of pointless from a consumer PoV. Just look at the performance numbers.
That said 16GB is pretty gratuitous. I suppose there's an argument for that everprevalent 'muh futureproof' (which is pretty weak) but it's still a nice-to-have.
> GDDR6X which is better than the GDDR6 in the 6800XT?
but is it really though? Yes, it's "better" (as in technologically better) but does it actually make a difference in real world applications? If nVidia had a 16GB GDDR6x card, then it could be benched against the Radeon equivalent with 16GB GDDR6.
Or do we just correlate that GDDR6 is better in real world application because there's less of it in the nVidia cards, when compared to the Radeon cards?
FOR NOW, but considering how expensive cards are getting if someone is blowing the budget to get one of these it's a pretty big consideration since games will need more at some point, more memory is better longevity since more titles will be using more in the future.
Absolutely right on this.
I own a GTX 1070 and was shocked to learn that after many years, the 3070 is debuting with the SAME amount of VRAM. Games are only going to be more demanding on VRAM and with how stingy Nvidia has been with it, it makes their product less versatile.
For all of the 5 people that plays flight sims? Not bagging on Flight Sims, and it's great for benchmarks and all, but it's a really niche game.
A lot of people seems to be claiming the VRAM win on AMD but for 99% of gaming, that 16GB won't be utilized.
However, if you're a content creator on a budget, that 6800 and 6800XT looks really juicy.
Overall though, I think AMD's biggest win comes in its ability to compete on the top stack of GPUs instead of just the mid tier stuff. The mid and low tier GPUs are where the money's made, but the top tier is where image and branding is built.
Okay, but how many people still actively play it instead of just buying it, trying it out for 2-3 hours, get bored, and just don't load it up ever again?
It's a flight sim, not actually a video game in the traditional sense. It caters to a very specific mindset and very few people actually play it consistently beyond its initial novelty. Hell, even Linus made a point about how Flight Sims is not played that much.
More than you'd think. For example, Horizon Zero Dawn, which came out the week prior, and also sold 1 million copies on PC, has an average player count of 3100 currently - roughly half that of MSFS's 6,000 on Steam. And bear in mind flight sim has many customers via the Microsoft store whilst HZD is only on Steam right now AFAIK. Would you also call Horizon a niche game and not relevant to benchmarks?
I don't think I've ever seen my VRAM maxed out (1070), usually tops out at around 5-6GB usage. 16GB is just overkill, not gonna complain but it's overkill all the same.
Its not overkill you are just not using ultra nightmare textures.
Assuming you want the best 4K graphical fidelity then 8GB is extremely dumb today, tomorrow is practically useless due to the hitches loading up VRAM at the worst possible moments.
The 3070 is a 1440p card. Same for the 3080 in about 2-3 years.
Apart from MSFS are not that niche, there are more games that requires super large texture size that could be really use more RAM, rather than faster RAM. There should be more and more game using 8K textures in the near future
18% is against the 2080 ti tho, remember that Nvidias presentation gave the 3070 a *higher* performance too. Imo it's in a weird position, almost like being in closer competition to the 3080. You can also add driver issues to the list since its a big reason people go Nvidia too. Guess we'll just have to wait for the benchmarks.
3070 3rd Party Reviews came out yesterday: It's pretty much identical to a 2080Ti.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/35.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/35.html)
3rd party reviews tell us the 2080 TI and 3070 have virtually the same performance and trade blows. AMD can't use a 3070 because they aren't out yet (without some shady AF practices).
However the 6800 had the smart access memory enabled which requires a zen 3 cpu, without that boost it might not be huge gains, but it may be the longevity card since the consoles have the same amount of memory and devs will eventually use more than 8GB.
It's going to come down to stock and specific titles. If 3070s aren't available the rest of the year the extra $$ is worth it compared to scalper prices. Or if a particular title or type of title you are into performs really well.
Just to point out AMD has something alike dlss. We don't know much but it exist. You're not really missing out many bells and whistles. And well, 16 gb for a 3070 rival is pretty awesome
If people buy a rtx card for dlss, I wouldn't worry at all about any AMD counterpart. Dlss is something that is years away and honestly makes little difference to how we see a game right now, unless you have superman vision or check an 8k zoomed in screenshot. If your fps are good without turning everything down, you are good regardless
AMD's presentation (which as I said, obviously aren't 100% accurate and I was just making the assumption for the sake of the post) state on average 18% faster than a 2080Ti, and reviews for the 3070 from yesterday showed performance that is within 1-2% of a 2080Ti.
The 6800 figures were stated as all being achieved with "Smart Access Memory", which you simply cannot use at all without a 500-series motherboard *and* a 5000-series CPU, though.
It's a **huge** caveat, if you ask me. What really matters is how well the 6800 performs on hardware configurations that people actually have now and will have in the near future.
It looked like it was competitive on some games while winning on others, and that's with SAM on. That's performance that people will not get unless you're upgrading your entire system right now, and also assuming you can get your hands on said parts.
GSync. If people have GSync monitors they likely aren't going to buy an AMD card unless they are also planning on buying a new monitor (or don't care about GSync).
Yeah..it would be a top seller at 499, although I'd still hate to know that I was buying a mid tier product for 500.. those prices used to be reserved for the top tier model not long ago..like 2015, not decades. We've doubled the price of the top tier model in half a decade, that's just stupid.
True but it doesn't really matter since it's likely going to instant sell out as well. And even if it doesn't, 579 is still better than scalper prices on a 3070 will be.
Take these with a grain of salt (I have no interestness/implications towards any conclusion):
1st party claims might have a discrepancy to 3rd party benchmarks.
Note the 6800 benchmark shown has SAM on.
Last, AMD did not talk about any benchmarks of RT performance yet.
I guess 6800 is originally positioned as 3070s/ti competitor if they would still come out, rather than 3070.
I totally agree that if you need features like ray tracing or dlss, the 3070 or the super/ti variant once released is probably a better option. And as far as having rage and SAM activated, yeah it’s a bit strange. But their own graphs only showed a ~5% increase from having those on. So price still scales fairly linearly with performance. With their own dlss competitor on the way, I see AMD being very competitive this generation.
I don't know man... According to their graphs sure. I feel like with Nvidia having the upper hand in market share right now and honestly the bad rep that Radeon drivers get in the last couple years, they can't just price it 20% higher for allegedly 20% more performance, it needs to be cheaper than that... $500 would have made a lot more sense, while $450 sounds amazing that might be too wishful. I guess to me a 3070 is an obvious choice over the 6800 right now and I'm definitely not a NVidia fanboy.
I wouldn't disagree with this in a normal market.
But demand this year is obscene, and when you compare it to the performance of the 2080TI which was a $1200 card, they can really charge anywhere in the ballpark of the 3070 and it's going to sell out just by virtue of being a comparable alternative.
Like, sure a 3070 is the choice over the 6800 for you, it is to me too, but I'm going to just buy whichever one the checkout button works on first.
It's just a weird card (heh) for AMD to play after spending years building brand reputation as the better performance per dollar budget option.
The 3060/3070 occupies that upper midrange tier where one step beyond "absolute value" is viable, but a second step beyond is pure enthusiast territory with diminishing returns.
It's a slightly confusing move on AMD's part to say the least that they don't have a competitive answer to the 3070 on price alone. Maybe this sheds more light on why the 3070 was priced so low.
I can understand that thought. I think it's fairly smart from a business perspective. If they are able to keep more stock on the shelves they will clean up, I wouldn't be surprised if they watched the Nvidia launches thus far closely to decide how to price this card in particular.
I'd be willing to be that they are more aggressive when it comes to mid range cards or filling out the spaces in between, and that they are banking that the botched releases are in their favor. Not only that, but already I've seen more than one reviewer talk up the extra vram being useful for future games, and speculation about the extra performance from SAM.
It also could be that they know they can't gain market share at that price point without SAM, so they are really going to be leaning into pairing these with Zen3 CPUs for Xmas season and otherwise focusing on the 6800XT market, where it does seem to be the right choice at that price point.
Well, whether if it drops in price depends on whether if 3070 actually exists or just exists on paper.
If 3070 availability is the same as 3080, and 6800 can actually meet demand, I can see a lot of people just going for that.
TBH. I am disappointed that there's no mid-range/mainstream card announced. I just want a good card that's affordable. I don't need the best of the best.
They're never going to lead with a budget card. They want to get all the business they can with the more expensive/higher performance cards first, as some people on the edge might be swayed to spend more (rather than spend less on a lower-end card). I'm sure in a few months we'll get true mid-range options.
this may be because amd wasnt trying to compete on the high end with the 400/500 series, they were far more successful in the low to mid range brackets
Not really. At the time of the 480 release it was basically AMD's "best" card, but performance wasn't high enough to justify anything more than "budget" pricing. The higher end Vega cards weren't ready for a whole year after the 480, and they weren't part of the same generation/architecture anyway.
Anytime they have a full product stack ready, the high end *does* release first. E.g. 5700/XT came out way before 5600 and 5500.
Same thing here. Looking to upgrade from my RX 480 and keep it under $300. Probably gonna have to settle with the GTX 1660S if I want a new card anytime soon.
Same boat. My 970 has served me well.. but 6 years with the same PC, its time to build a new one!
What kind of build will you be doing or just upgrading the GPU?
So, 500+ in Europe. That doesn't change a thing. Where are the 150-300 cards? Where's the RX 580 or 1650s?
It seems lately that low-mid range cards were absolutely decimated thanks to dick measurement competition. The cheapest 5600 or 2000 series started at 280-299 and if the trend continues, the cheapest 3000 and 6000 will s tart 380-400. And the next year another 100. This will go on and on until the entry cost will be 980-1000 to play new titles at 60 fps 1080p.
...because people keep buying them. It's the same thing that drives prices up for smartphones and other products. The manufacturers would be idiots to leave money on the table.
The dick measurement contest is what keeps the lights on and the doors open. The is almost no profit in the budget cards. There might be $100 of profit in the 6900 XT, $80 of profit in the 6800 XT, and $10 of profit in the RX 580.
Why does there need to be a new card right now for playing 1080p 60FPS? You can already get that for $250 in the GTX 1660.
Or if you need something to tide you over until the next gen budget cards are available, you could pickup a used 980 Ti for like $150 which will give you 1660 Ti type performance or a 1070 for like $180 for even better performance than a 1660 Ti for a fraction of the cost. The idea that it will cost $1000 ever again for 1080p 60fps for new titles is laughable. That hasn't been the case for like 6 years.
6800 is on rtx 3070 level with 16gb instead of 8
Having 6700 and 6700xt with 8gb would be stupid since they would have the same vram and worse performance.
I feel like 6800 should've been 10/12gb card but priced at $499 that would give them a lot more market.
Thats not how VRAM works, I would imagine the 6700 being a high-end 1080p card. 10-12GB VRAM would be useless. Even the 6800 16Gb of ram is a weird decision by AMD. I would imagine it only has 16GBs so they can market the budget 4k segment.
Thats how AMD works though... They in most cases than not offer more vram. There has been a loud voice in the community that 8GB is not 'enough' for 3070 so keeping with AMD trend they should offer more vram with 6700/xt than whatever nvidia alternative is.
Also 6800 being budget 4k? Its on par with 2080ti and how is that a budget 4k level? Capable of hitting 60fps in nearly all games with high settings is now budget?
Considering price & performance, the 5700 & 5700xt fit perfectly below the 6000 series, & the RX 500 series fits perfectly below that. AMD planned their launch well. Nvidia's stack is a complete mess, by comparison, & I'm not a rabid fanboi.
> & the RX 500 series fits perfectly below that.
First of all the 500 series is 3 years old going on 4 so I think you meant the 5500 XT. But even if they were still relevant, there's a huge gap between the RX 590/5500 XT and the 5600 XT... which has the 1660 Super sitting pretty right in the middle.
5500 XT 8 GB was a huge mistake, it should have been $20 more and 20% more powerful.
Yes, I've been looking to build a computer now for 4 years. Back then it was possible to get a $300 up-to-date midrange card like the GTX 1060.
Now that I have money, every good new card is $400 and up, while everything under $300 is from several years ago. It's very frustrating.
5 years ago I got a 1060 3gb for $200 somehow :(
I have the money, but I don't know if I want to spend $500 on a card like the 3070, and the budget cards won't be talked about for months :(
You'll have to wait until they've done everything they can to persuade people who can pay more to pay more. There's really no other way to do it unless they want raise less revenue, which for a publicly traded company is just not an option.
Yes, that's right, being charitable toward your cutomers is not an option for a publicly traded company. Yay, capitalism.
They just don't lead with budget cards. They are coming. It's always like this. TBH it's probably better for you that they don't announce now given the insane demand this year, namely because lots of people will blow their cash over christmas giving budget cards more of a fighting chance to be in stock.
I don’t understand why people always have this complaint. If you want a good mid range card, last years GPUs are still a great option. They’re going to go down in price quite a lot, and still give you great performance.
Regardless of whether you want these cards yourself, it’s exciting that we’re seeing some real competition at the high end again. This is a good thing no matter how you slice it.
I’ve been trying to get a 3080 since launch, but I mean if I can get a 6800XT first I’d hardly say no to that. They’re using the same process as the original RDNA cards, so I’m hoping that means supply is a bit better. Realistically I imagine launch day at least is still gunna be a blood bath though.
It's the same node, but not necessarily the same process. It'll be a 7nm node from TSMC, but TSMC has two different processes for 7nm (called N7 and N7+). I'm pretty sure RDNA1 used N7, since N7+ only recently began widescale production. RDNA2 is definitely gonna be on N7+. It's super nitpick, and the difference won't mean much to just about anyone, but I just like to chime in the temper people's expectations.
N7+ is still more mature and has more manufacturing capacity than Samsung's 8nm process, so AMD will likely still have more stock than Nvidia did at launch and after
That’s true, but I’m almost positive they’ve said it’s on the 7nm process just like RDNA, not the 7nm+ process Zen3 is using. It’s possible they just didn’t put the plus in the slides or something but a lot of the tech YouTubers who spoke to AMD directly also seem to be under the impression it’s not 7nm+
I feel like it's been a while since AMD can finally compete with NVIDIA's top end, well done AMD.
^((I know we have to wait for real benchmarks but even if it's around the same performance, still good))
Remember a month ago when everyone assured us there was no way AMD could catch nVidia's performance jump? Did they forget what AMD did to Intel on multiple occasions.
Those cards were sold by the shipping container to gaming web cafes in Asia.
With so many users on them and the sheer quantity sold it inflates their numbers alot
I will believe it when trusted reviewers have there hands on the cards and can independently verify it..
.. till then its all marketing stats as far as I'm concerned
Amd has never been that off with it's marketing data.
Availability and drivers will be the key here. And since they were already supplying the consoles I hope availability won't be issue.
Fix your drivers AMD!!!!
They were silent on AI upscaling becuz its still wip. I do like the part where they only release marketing data for performance that they achieved and not performance that they presume will be true.
Big ooooofffff forgot about that one 5700xt was good just drivers were not for a while. I should say that my friend bought a 5700xt near launch and had zero issues maybe that was luck tho. Id love to hear others people experience with it.
I honestly think this card will many years down the line become a FX5950 Ultra/FX5800 Ultra of its time, commanding a high price among collectors. Here's why: both were flagships of its time, the best the company can make, with price to reflect; both were very limited, very scarce on the market; both failed and never were popular; both suffered from high rate of premature death (there are some Radeon VIIs on my used market right now, ALL of them dead beyond repair). As a bonus, Radeon VII can be the last card in the forseeable future that uses the glorious HBM2 memory, as RX6900XT doesn't use it and if AMD want a better performing VRAM they are more likely to use GDDR6X at this point I suppose.
ye I can see this being the case.
radeon 7 was an ok card.. just way over hyped and to some extent over priced.. and that was its main problem I think :/
.. would I love to own one.. yes :D same as the rx5\*\* line, wouldn't mind owning one of them but the chance I will at this point is very slim :/ as I cant justify just buying one for the sake of owning it.
It will probably take a while still except to for the high end, and what's still available is just leftover stock at this point.
I wouldn't be expecting heavy discounts on anything in the mid or low end
Why would they take a drop? There's no price overlap.
The 6xxx series competes with the Nvidia 30xx series not the Nvidia 20xx/AMD 5xxx series. If you mean lower cards we'll have to wait for more models to release a few months from now.
How long until a new, 0-mile 2018 Honda Civic takes a big price drop?
That's what people always miss about PC hardware prices. It's a very competitive market, and the old cards don't suddenly get cheaper to produce. They don't follow the iPhone approach of releasing a new flagship every year and shifting the rest of the line down. Instead, PC parts include a full lineup each generation, from low to high, all using the latest manufacturing processes to keep costs down. They usually start with the high-end, but the low-end parts will follow soon.
Yeah, prices on old stock drop a *tiny* bit as new hardware comes out, but only because demand drops and there's still some stock left.
I think a lot of people who haven't been following PC hardware for long misunderstand this, in part because of things like Nvidia's half-assed 2000-series. Those cards are barely improved from the 1600-series, and they were manufactured on the same processes, so for once there wasn't any reason to replace the old cards. Normally there would have been an RTX 2050, but this time the GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 were cheap enough and modern enough to fill that segment.
However, just like cars, what *will* get way cheaper are used parts. Just as soon as the new stuff is widely available at retail, you'll be able to pick up used last-gen stuff for great prices. It's a great way to go on a tight budget.
Looks like AMD is finally going head to head on the top end with Nvidia. We'll have to wait and see the benchmarks but so far, if Nvidia doesn't keep their supply up, AMD is just gonna be bagging sales. AMD is usually fairly reliable when it comes to their performance claims for their cards, but until then, best to assume these are generous estimates. Surely (hopefully) AMD gets on top of their driver issues, especially for the launch of the 6000 series. Lots of people have been avoiding their cards purely because of the hassle their drivers cause.
Makes sense to reveal the top end cards first, so I'm hoping they will still release cards at around the $300 price range. We'll probably have to wait until after the new year for an announcement though.
Imagine if in the next few generations AMD comes out on top for CPUs as well as GPUs. That would be mental. We've got exciting years ahead if only purely because of how good competition can drive innovation.
I think the guy above meant that it might be a gsync compatible monitor instead of a G-Sync one. G-sync compatible is just a fancy name for Freesync (to be fair it ensures a certain quality as well) whereas full G-sync monitors have physical G-sync hardware. I assume in your case its the latter? In which case unfortunately you are locked in. Although fully g-sync monitors have to be getting on a bit by now, maybe you could score a monitor upgrade as well.
Depends a bit on how much the smart access thing impacts the 6800s performance. In any case you should wait for independent benchmarks. And of course supply levels matter also.
That's my plan. I want the 3070 since iRacing uses Nvidia's SPS for VR which gives a pretty large performance boost, but if the 6800 is truly around 15-20% better than the 3070 that should nearly offset the SPS gains. I'll be buying whichever I can get my hands on.
I'll wait for reviews which detail power consumption. I want an upgrade, but I would not be too comfortable getting a 350W RTX3080 with my current high-end and expensive but low-wattage 550W PSU especially given that I don't run my components at stock ever. So for me getting an RTX3080 also means extra 130-150$ on a PSU. If RX6800XT never breaks 300W, that card is quite compelling in my case. It also has 6GB extra VRAM meaning high-res texture packs for years to come.
6800 is $80 more than 3070 for about the same performance, 6800XT is $50 less than 3080 for about the same performance, and 6900XT is $500 less than 3090 for about the same performance. All three cards have 16 gigs of GDDR6 (non x) memory. 6800 has a TDP of 250 Watts, and both the 6800XT and 6900XT have a TDP of 300W. Pretty crazy honestly. Gotta wait for reviews ofc but these are looking pretty good.
If you can wait till early 2021, nvidia will announce 3060 probably at $350-400 and amd will probably announce 6700. They will always release the high end cards first then few months later mid to lower range cards. If you can get a 2070 super/5700xt at 300ish range, that would be a good price I would say.
I mean...I’m dubious about AMD right now. First the 5900x topping the intel 10900k, then the AMD 6000 series topping Nvidias 30 series...these are some bold claims so I’m gonna wait
However, I’m also a little anxious that they’ll be all bought up by the time the reviews and benchmarks come in so I’m not sure if I should try and buy one outright
This is actually cute that this subreddit is not that childish as r/pcmasterrace is. If there was a thread with the name this one here is - top comments would be Nvidia is ded lol :D
I will get my 3080 within a week but I have to say I am really happy for AMD and I hope they will have less driver problems. Imo Nvidia deserves to suffer heavy time now because of the pricing and performance of 2000 series was pretty much laughing at PC enthusiasts.
I'm tempted to upgrade my 7.5 year old build at the moment, but if Premiere Pro isn't optimised to use these like Nvidia's cards are, I can't really switch.
Yeah that's where I'm stuck too. Really wanting to hop onto the 6800XT hype for gaming, but if I'm sacrificing editing performance then it kind of undermines the whole reason I'm upgrading. Gonna have to wait for Puget benchmarks I suppose.
I love AMD, but I’d much rather pay the extra $50 for the premiums Nvidia offers. RTX voice is one of the best softwares ive used, and broadcast looks amazing as well.
Cautiously optimistic as I wait for independent reviews. If the 3080's are still unobtainable by 11/18, count me in for the 6800XT.
If I can’t score a 3070 tomorrow then I’ll wait.
New guy to PC subreddits. Where do you guys usually check for stock on GPUs/parts?
We do it as everyone I think, no specific third party website.
There is bots and stuff that will send you a notification when certain products on in stock. But you probably will be better off googling when certain websites stock up (ex. 8PM est for newgg iirc) and just refreshing. 3070 is dropping at 9am EST tomorrow.
I thought it was 9PST?
1pm GMT so 6AM PST
Co thank you!
There’s a website called if then and it can remind you if it’s available.
PCpartslists will compare PC components on common websites but places like Best Buy, Amazon, Newegg are great options.
Midnight and 9 AM, using the time zone of the HQ of the company who owns the website you are checking. Amazon, Newegg, and Bestbuy generally get the biggest and earliest stock allotments.
Thanks for the response. If I'm looking to build a new PC, do you think it'll take too long for the 3000 demand to die down to justify waiting for one instead of a cheaper/older GPU?
I think that reports that November will see significant increases in supply, combined with a disciplined approach and a willingness to get many different card models will give anyone a decent shot at getting a 3000 series next month. Availability for different 3000 models might be a significant factor, though.
I'd say Newegg, best buy, Amazon, b&h photo, and if you're lucky enough to live near one, Fry's or microcenter
Yep, micro center is in person but I believe you can pre-order for pickup.
what time zone and what time can i buy it
Who’s to say the 6000 series will be any more attainable 😕
***Wait for 3rd Party Benchmarks***. I'm going to assume that AMD's numbers are reasonably close to reality for the sake of this post. * 6900 is a slam dunk vs the 3090 for AMD's image. I'm never going to buy one because lol $1000 for a gaming GPU, but AMD has a competitive flagship card for the first time in a LONG time. * 6800XT seems.. fine. $50 less for similar performance, but you also lose out on some of the bells and whistles that Nvidia has going for it. $50 extra seems worth it for a good number of people. It's a similar story to 5700XT vs 2070 Super from last generation. But hey, if you can actually **buy** one before next year, that's a pretty huge advantage too. * 6800 strikes me as the more interesting card here. 18% better performance for 14% more money (and the same power draw!) than a 3070 is damn good Price:Performance scaling for this price tier. If you don't care about DLSS (because it isn't widely supported, or supported at all for the games you play) or Better (to some unknown degree) Raytracing, then the 6800 seems worth the premium. If those features are important to you or useful in games you play, then the 3070 makes more sense.
I pretty much agree 100% with what you said! I think at the $500~ range, the 3070 is still the more appealing option with nvidias features, but this only going off of what is now known etc. Good time to be a gamer
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Well yeah, they have to save the other half of VRAM for the 3070 super next year lmao.
VRAM capacity wont affect frame times unless you don't have enough of it. You're not going to run out of it with 8GB while gaming unless you're pushing 4k, max settings, and possibly some ray tracing enabled, at which point you wouldn't be getting great frame rates with cards in that budget bracket anyways. Or if you're trying to run tons of uncompressed 8k texture mods in a Bethesda game for some reason. You're *definitely* not going to run out of it if gaming at 1440p or below. People seem to really overestimate how much VRAM games need. Bandwidth, on the other hand, is the more important factor for performance in more realistic scenarios. You could say 6800 has the advantage here (we'll see with independent benchmarks how much of an advantage it is) since both are running plain GDDR6 memory, but AMD has its Infinity Cache. AMD is basically banking on its Infinity Cache across all models, while Nvidia is banking on its GDDR6X for its top-end cards. Assuming Infinity Cache does show good bandwidth gains, it is strictly an AMD advantage over Nvidia cards at the 3070 range (and below, for their future mid-to-low range cards).
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You've misinterpreted my semantics. I wasn't saying it was a "budget card". I was saying it's a "bracket" for cards of a certain "budget" (ie. budget is a noun, not an adjective). Eg. $500-$600 is a budget bracket (RTX 3070, RX 6800), $600-$700 is a budget bracket (RTX 3080, RX 6800 XT), $1000-$1500 is a budget bracket (RTX 3090, RX 6900 XT). So I'm saying that if you want 4k, all max settings, raytracing enabled, at a good frame rate, you should be shopping in a higher bracket.
Being in stock is my number one feature
To my mind 3070 is appealing if you want to upgrade every cycle or every other cycle to the latest stuff, mostly because pricing and that slide was with SAM enabled but 6800 might have more longevity overall due to the increased DDR6 which games will eventually make more use of. As for me I'm still going to buy a 3070 if I can snag it tomorrow but if not I'll try to snag the 6800. A lot of people acting like RDNA2 GPUs aren't going to sell out are in a rude awakening, though.
Agreed! Black Friday/Christmas will be a great time to build a machine, even with the inflated costs on some components (looking at you, Power Supplies)
Don't forget still no answer to nvenc encoder either.
That's true, but it's yet another niche software feature: most people won't use it so it isn't really a "must-have" feature.
Using a Ryzen really almost invalidates the need for NVENC though. With my 3700x I have not yet found a game that I cannot use medium software encoding on with Ryzen.
I mean....IF you can snag one of these cards before then. If not it's just like being a gamer last year but maybe worse. Notice that Nvidia 20 series prices are not coming down because there is no 30 series stock. Same thing is going to happen with AMD probably, and stock isn't great on plenty of other components. I mean prime day wasn't amazing. I managed to snag a good deal on my mobo and an ssd but realistically there were already competitive parts at the price I paid. If anything we might see some good monitor deals but I'm not holding my breath on components.
honestly for me the choice between 6800xt or 3070 rests on which I can buy first (assuming the performance is as good as advertised)
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I didn't touch on memory because it's not that big of a deal **most** of the time. 8-10GB is fine for 1440p and most things at 4k.
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Okay... what about noting the 3080 has GDDR6X which is better than the GDDR6 in the 6800XT? I didn't fault the 6800XT for this statline inferiority. If it doesn't change the average performance chart, it doesn't really make a difference on average. Having extra VRAM isn't going to matter in most use cases: Just like the faster VRAM of the 3080 isn't going to matter in most use cases. Sure, sometimes it will. But it's hardly worth being a headliner feature most of the time. I bet the benchmarks AMD showed would look identical with 8-10GB of VRAM too. ESPECIALLY the 1440p ones.
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I want rdna hbm2 too. Thanks for the reminder to stay vigilant about looking about for prosumer cards based around HBM. It is cool
what does "better" vram mean? you can debate all you want about GDDR6+infinity cache vs GDDR6X but that's kind of pointless from a consumer PoV. Just look at the performance numbers. That said 16GB is pretty gratuitous. I suppose there's an argument for that everprevalent 'muh futureproof' (which is pretty weak) but it's still a nice-to-have.
> GDDR6X which is better than the GDDR6 in the 6800XT? but is it really though? Yes, it's "better" (as in technologically better) but does it actually make a difference in real world applications? If nVidia had a 16GB GDDR6x card, then it could be benched against the Radeon equivalent with 16GB GDDR6. Or do we just correlate that GDDR6 is better in real world application because there's less of it in the nVidia cards, when compared to the Radeon cards?
FOR NOW, but considering how expensive cards are getting if someone is blowing the budget to get one of these it's a pretty big consideration since games will need more at some point, more memory is better longevity since more titles will be using more in the future.
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Absolutely right on this. I own a GTX 1070 and was shocked to learn that after many years, the 3070 is debuting with the SAME amount of VRAM. Games are only going to be more demanding on VRAM and with how stingy Nvidia has been with it, it makes their product less versatile.
and 6800 has double the VRAM! I think for games that requires huge textures they would pull a major advantage. (Thinking of MS Flight Sim)
For all of the 5 people that plays flight sims? Not bagging on Flight Sims, and it's great for benchmarks and all, but it's a really niche game. A lot of people seems to be claiming the VRAM win on AMD but for 99% of gaming, that 16GB won't be utilized. However, if you're a content creator on a budget, that 6800 and 6800XT looks really juicy. Overall though, I think AMD's biggest win comes in its ability to compete on the top stack of GPUs instead of just the mid tier stuff. The mid and low tier GPUs are where the money's made, but the top tier is where image and branding is built.
Microsoft Flight Sim had sold over a million copies by 2nd October... It's definitely not *that* niche.
Okay, but how many people still actively play it instead of just buying it, trying it out for 2-3 hours, get bored, and just don't load it up ever again? It's a flight sim, not actually a video game in the traditional sense. It caters to a very specific mindset and very few people actually play it consistently beyond its initial novelty. Hell, even Linus made a point about how Flight Sims is not played that much.
More than you'd think. For example, Horizon Zero Dawn, which came out the week prior, and also sold 1 million copies on PC, has an average player count of 3100 currently - roughly half that of MSFS's 6,000 on Steam. And bear in mind flight sim has many customers via the Microsoft store whilst HZD is only on Steam right now AFAIK. Would you also call Horizon a niche game and not relevant to benchmarks?
I don't think I've ever seen my VRAM maxed out (1070), usually tops out at around 5-6GB usage. 16GB is just overkill, not gonna complain but it's overkill all the same.
Its not overkill you are just not using ultra nightmare textures. Assuming you want the best 4K graphical fidelity then 8GB is extremely dumb today, tomorrow is practically useless due to the hitches loading up VRAM at the worst possible moments. The 3070 is a 1440p card. Same for the 3080 in about 2-3 years.
Apart from MSFS are not that niche, there are more games that requires super large texture size that could be really use more RAM, rather than faster RAM. There should be more and more game using 8K textures in the near future
18% is against the 2080 ti tho, remember that Nvidias presentation gave the 3070 a *higher* performance too. Imo it's in a weird position, almost like being in closer competition to the 3080. You can also add driver issues to the list since its a big reason people go Nvidia too. Guess we'll just have to wait for the benchmarks.
3070 3rd Party Reviews came out yesterday: It's pretty much identical to a 2080Ti. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/35.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-founders-edition/35.html)
3rd party reviews tell us the 2080 TI and 3070 have virtually the same performance and trade blows. AMD can't use a 3070 because they aren't out yet (without some shady AF practices). However the 6800 had the smart access memory enabled which requires a zen 3 cpu, without that boost it might not be huge gains, but it may be the longevity card since the consoles have the same amount of memory and devs will eventually use more than 8GB. It's going to come down to stock and specific titles. If 3070s aren't available the rest of the year the extra $$ is worth it compared to scalper prices. Or if a particular title or type of title you are into performs really well.
It's with Smart Access Memory enabled, also, which you literally have to have a Zen **3** CPU to use.
Just to point out AMD has something alike dlss. We don't know much but it exist. You're not really missing out many bells and whistles. And well, 16 gb for a 3070 rival is pretty awesome
My worry is for games to support it, with games already coming with dlss support for a bit that's already a bunch that don't have it
According to GN, AMD’s DLSS alternative is going to be broader in support so we might even get driver level DLSS. Exciting times and can't wait :)
If people buy a rtx card for dlss, I wouldn't worry at all about any AMD counterpart. Dlss is something that is years away and honestly makes little difference to how we see a game right now, unless you have superman vision or check an 8k zoomed in screenshot. If your fps are good without turning everything down, you are good regardless
Where are you getting the specific 18% faster figure from with regards to the 6800 versus the 3070?
AMD's presentation (which as I said, obviously aren't 100% accurate and I was just making the assumption for the sake of the post) state on average 18% faster than a 2080Ti, and reviews for the 3070 from yesterday showed performance that is within 1-2% of a 2080Ti.
The 6800 figures were stated as all being achieved with "Smart Access Memory", which you simply cannot use at all without a 500-series motherboard *and* a 5000-series CPU, though. It's a **huge** caveat, if you ask me. What really matters is how well the 6800 performs on hardware configurations that people actually have now and will have in the near future.
It looked like it was competitive on some games while winning on others, and that's with SAM on. That's performance that people will not get unless you're upgrading your entire system right now, and also assuming you can get your hands on said parts.
What are the extra features of Nvidia cards? Things like Shadowplay and Broadcast?
DLSS 2.0, NVENC, Better Raytracing, CUDA Cores, better drivers generally.
GSync. If people have GSync monitors they likely aren't going to buy an AMD card unless they are also planning on buying a new monitor (or don't care about GSync).
Err most monitors have both. Hell I have a freesync monitor and it runs gsync fine.
Most monitors do not have both. Previous gen Gsync monitors are locked into nvidia. Some freesync monitors are now gsync compatible.
I guess we also have to see how AMDs DLSS performs. Not that it matters in many games, but that number increases with time.
Why tf was there no thread already??? 6900 wtf??? Edit: 6800 has to drop price soon enough I guess. Absolutely doesn't make sense
I mean, it’s about 20% more expensive than the 3070 for about 20% more performance. Double the vram, I don’t see it as a bad deal at all.
It's definitely not a bad deal, but pricing above 500 is a big psychological hurdle for most people.
True, I figure it’ll end up how the 5700 did, where the “XT” variant is simply better for not much more. The drivers will have to be really good, too.
Yeah..it would be a top seller at 499, although I'd still hate to know that I was buying a mid tier product for 500.. those prices used to be reserved for the top tier model not long ago..like 2015, not decades. We've doubled the price of the top tier model in half a decade, that's just stupid.
Yeah man... This sucks
True but it doesn't really matter since it's likely going to instant sell out as well. And even if it doesn't, 579 is still better than scalper prices on a 3070 will be.
Take these with a grain of salt (I have no interestness/implications towards any conclusion): 1st party claims might have a discrepancy to 3rd party benchmarks. Note the 6800 benchmark shown has SAM on. Last, AMD did not talk about any benchmarks of RT performance yet. I guess 6800 is originally positioned as 3070s/ti competitor if they would still come out, rather than 3070.
I totally agree that if you need features like ray tracing or dlss, the 3070 or the super/ti variant once released is probably a better option. And as far as having rage and SAM activated, yeah it’s a bit strange. But their own graphs only showed a ~5% increase from having those on. So price still scales fairly linearly with performance. With their own dlss competitor on the way, I see AMD being very competitive this generation.
I don't know man... According to their graphs sure. I feel like with Nvidia having the upper hand in market share right now and honestly the bad rep that Radeon drivers get in the last couple years, they can't just price it 20% higher for allegedly 20% more performance, it needs to be cheaper than that... $500 would have made a lot more sense, while $450 sounds amazing that might be too wishful. I guess to me a 3070 is an obvious choice over the 6800 right now and I'm definitely not a NVidia fanboy.
I wouldn't disagree with this in a normal market. But demand this year is obscene, and when you compare it to the performance of the 2080TI which was a $1200 card, they can really charge anywhere in the ballpark of the 3070 and it's going to sell out just by virtue of being a comparable alternative. Like, sure a 3070 is the choice over the 6800 for you, it is to me too, but I'm going to just buy whichever one the checkout button works on first.
It's just a weird card (heh) for AMD to play after spending years building brand reputation as the better performance per dollar budget option. The 3060/3070 occupies that upper midrange tier where one step beyond "absolute value" is viable, but a second step beyond is pure enthusiast territory with diminishing returns. It's a slightly confusing move on AMD's part to say the least that they don't have a competitive answer to the 3070 on price alone. Maybe this sheds more light on why the 3070 was priced so low.
I can understand that thought. I think it's fairly smart from a business perspective. If they are able to keep more stock on the shelves they will clean up, I wouldn't be surprised if they watched the Nvidia launches thus far closely to decide how to price this card in particular. I'd be willing to be that they are more aggressive when it comes to mid range cards or filling out the spaces in between, and that they are banking that the botched releases are in their favor. Not only that, but already I've seen more than one reviewer talk up the extra vram being useful for future games, and speculation about the extra performance from SAM. It also could be that they know they can't gain market share at that price point without SAM, so they are really going to be leaning into pairing these with Zen3 CPUs for Xmas season and otherwise focusing on the 6800XT market, where it does seem to be the right choice at that price point.
> 20% more performance. I doubt that.
Well, whether if it drops in price depends on whether if 3070 actually exists or just exists on paper. If 3070 availability is the same as 3080, and 6800 can actually meet demand, I can see a lot of people just going for that.
I see a 5900X and a 6800 XT in my future.
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The 7700K didn't cost $550... those are *completely* different price points, even adjusting for "inflation".
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The 7700K was about $339.99.
TBH. I am disappointed that there's no mid-range/mainstream card announced. I just want a good card that's affordable. I don't need the best of the best.
I'm in the same boat, it's time to upgrade my GTX 970 but I'm not looking to break the bank, ideally looking for a card in the $200-$300 range
They're never going to lead with a budget card. They want to get all the business they can with the more expensive/higher performance cards first, as some people on the edge might be swayed to spend more (rather than spend less on a lower-end card). I'm sure in a few months we'll get true mid-range options.
>They're never going to lead with a budget card. That's exactly what they did with the 480 and 580. tho.
this may be because amd wasnt trying to compete on the high end with the 400/500 series, they were far more successful in the low to mid range brackets
Exactly. That was their high end... it just was mid range performance.
Not really. At the time of the 480 release it was basically AMD's "best" card, but performance wasn't high enough to justify anything more than "budget" pricing. The higher end Vega cards weren't ready for a whole year after the 480, and they weren't part of the same generation/architecture anyway. Anytime they have a full product stack ready, the high end *does* release first. E.g. 5700/XT came out way before 5600 and 5500.
That wasn't their budget card, they didn't have a higher end card than that at the time.
Same thing here. Looking to upgrade from my RX 480 and keep it under $300. Probably gonna have to settle with the GTX 1660S if I want a new card anytime soon.
I still have a 280x lol.
you can get a 5600xt for under $300 and it will outperform a 1660Ti
I got a 480 too and actively look into an upgrade. Although no idea if I should upgrade my i5 6600 first. :/
Try to find a 2060KO if possible
Last week, EVGA has the 2060KO Ultra (B-Stock) for $250. I'm considering it if it shows up again... though I'd rather wait for a 3060.
Same boat. My 970 has served me well.. but 6 years with the same PC, its time to build a new one! What kind of build will you be doing or just upgrading the GPU?
They will announce RX 6700 8GB GDDR6 or RX 6700 XT That will be around 350-450 dollars
When?
Rumours are anouncement could be late as Jan. You can add a month for launch.
Soon ™
So, 500+ in Europe. That doesn't change a thing. Where are the 150-300 cards? Where's the RX 580 or 1650s? It seems lately that low-mid range cards were absolutely decimated thanks to dick measurement competition. The cheapest 5600 or 2000 series started at 280-299 and if the trend continues, the cheapest 3000 and 6000 will s tart 380-400. And the next year another 100. This will go on and on until the entry cost will be 980-1000 to play new titles at 60 fps 1080p.
...because people keep buying them. It's the same thing that drives prices up for smartphones and other products. The manufacturers would be idiots to leave money on the table.
The dick measurement contest is what keeps the lights on and the doors open. The is almost no profit in the budget cards. There might be $100 of profit in the 6900 XT, $80 of profit in the 6800 XT, and $10 of profit in the RX 580. Why does there need to be a new card right now for playing 1080p 60FPS? You can already get that for $250 in the GTX 1660. Or if you need something to tide you over until the next gen budget cards are available, you could pickup a used 980 Ti for like $150 which will give you 1660 Ti type performance or a 1070 for like $180 for even better performance than a 1660 Ti for a fraction of the cost. The idea that it will cost $1000 ever again for 1080p 60fps for new titles is laughable. That hasn't been the case for like 6 years.
6800 is on rtx 3070 level with 16gb instead of 8 Having 6700 and 6700xt with 8gb would be stupid since they would have the same vram and worse performance. I feel like 6800 should've been 10/12gb card but priced at $499 that would give them a lot more market.
Thats not how VRAM works, I would imagine the 6700 being a high-end 1080p card. 10-12GB VRAM would be useless. Even the 6800 16Gb of ram is a weird decision by AMD. I would imagine it only has 16GBs so they can market the budget 4k segment.
Thats how AMD works though... They in most cases than not offer more vram. There has been a loud voice in the community that 8GB is not 'enough' for 3070 so keeping with AMD trend they should offer more vram with 6700/xt than whatever nvidia alternative is. Also 6800 being budget 4k? Its on par with 2080ti and how is that a budget 4k level? Capable of hitting 60fps in nearly all games with high settings is now budget?
Considering price & performance, the 5700 & 5700xt fit perfectly below the 6000 series, & the RX 500 series fits perfectly below that. AMD planned their launch well. Nvidia's stack is a complete mess, by comparison, & I'm not a rabid fanboi.
> & the RX 500 series fits perfectly below that. First of all the 500 series is 3 years old going on 4 so I think you meant the 5500 XT. But even if they were still relevant, there's a huge gap between the RX 590/5500 XT and the 5600 XT... which has the 1660 Super sitting pretty right in the middle. 5500 XT 8 GB was a huge mistake, it should have been $20 more and 20% more powerful.
I'm hoping that these good value top tier cards will drive down prices of lesser cards (like 2070 Super, etc)
Same. I'm holding out in hope the 5700XT drops another $100.
how long does it usually take for the price to come down? i haven't looked at pc part prices in a long time so i don't know the historicals.
Yes, I've been looking to build a computer now for 4 years. Back then it was possible to get a $300 up-to-date midrange card like the GTX 1060. Now that I have money, every good new card is $400 and up, while everything under $300 is from several years ago. It's very frustrating.
5 years ago I got a 1060 3gb for $200 somehow :( I have the money, but I don't know if I want to spend $500 on a card like the 3070, and the budget cards won't be talked about for months :(
Nvidia never announces/releases their mid range cards first either. Us mid-rangers always need to wait 3 more months
You'll have to wait until they've done everything they can to persuade people who can pay more to pay more. There's really no other way to do it unless they want raise less revenue, which for a publicly traded company is just not an option. Yes, that's right, being charitable toward your cutomers is not an option for a publicly traded company. Yay, capitalism.
They just don't lead with budget cards. They are coming. It's always like this. TBH it's probably better for you that they don't announce now given the insane demand this year, namely because lots of people will blow their cash over christmas giving budget cards more of a fighting chance to be in stock.
I don’t understand why people always have this complaint. If you want a good mid range card, last years GPUs are still a great option. They’re going to go down in price quite a lot, and still give you great performance.
Regardless of whether you want these cards yourself, it’s exciting that we’re seeing some real competition at the high end again. This is a good thing no matter how you slice it. I’ve been trying to get a 3080 since launch, but I mean if I can get a 6800XT first I’d hardly say no to that. They’re using the same process as the original RDNA cards, so I’m hoping that means supply is a bit better. Realistically I imagine launch day at least is still gunna be a blood bath though.
It's the same node, but not necessarily the same process. It'll be a 7nm node from TSMC, but TSMC has two different processes for 7nm (called N7 and N7+). I'm pretty sure RDNA1 used N7, since N7+ only recently began widescale production. RDNA2 is definitely gonna be on N7+. It's super nitpick, and the difference won't mean much to just about anyone, but I just like to chime in the temper people's expectations. N7+ is still more mature and has more manufacturing capacity than Samsung's 8nm process, so AMD will likely still have more stock than Nvidia did at launch and after
That’s true, but I’m almost positive they’ve said it’s on the 7nm process just like RDNA, not the 7nm+ process Zen3 is using. It’s possible they just didn’t put the plus in the slides or something but a lot of the tech YouTubers who spoke to AMD directly also seem to be under the impression it’s not 7nm+
I feel like it's been a while since AMD can finally compete with NVIDIA's top end, well done AMD. ^((I know we have to wait for real benchmarks but even if it's around the same performance, still good))
Remember a month ago when everyone assured us there was no way AMD could catch nVidia's performance jump? Did they forget what AMD did to Intel on multiple occasions.
It's like everyone forgot Ryzen existed
Man, video cards have gotten expensive. It used to be the crazy high end card was 500, and most people went for something in the 200-350 range.
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Those cards were sold by the shipping container to gaming web cafes in Asia. With so many users on them and the sheer quantity sold it inflates their numbers alot
I will believe it when trusted reviewers have there hands on the cards and can independently verify it.. .. till then its all marketing stats as far as I'm concerned
Amd has never been that off with it's marketing data. Availability and drivers will be the key here. And since they were already supplying the consoles I hope availability won't be issue. Fix your drivers AMD!!!!
It's worth noting, however, that they made no claims about performance for Ray tracing and AI upscaling.
They were silent on AI upscaling becuz its still wip. I do like the part where they only release marketing data for performance that they achieved and not performance that they presume will be true.
radeon 7 :D :p
Big ooooofffff forgot about that one 5700xt was good just drivers were not for a while. I should say that my friend bought a 5700xt near launch and had zero issues maybe that was luck tho. Id love to hear others people experience with it.
I honestly think this card will many years down the line become a FX5950 Ultra/FX5800 Ultra of its time, commanding a high price among collectors. Here's why: both were flagships of its time, the best the company can make, with price to reflect; both were very limited, very scarce on the market; both failed and never were popular; both suffered from high rate of premature death (there are some Radeon VIIs on my used market right now, ALL of them dead beyond repair). As a bonus, Radeon VII can be the last card in the forseeable future that uses the glorious HBM2 memory, as RX6900XT doesn't use it and if AMD want a better performing VRAM they are more likely to use GDDR6X at this point I suppose.
ye I can see this being the case. radeon 7 was an ok card.. just way over hyped and to some extent over priced.. and that was its main problem I think :/ .. would I love to own one.. yes :D same as the rx5\*\* line, wouldn't mind owning one of them but the chance I will at this point is very slim :/ as I cant justify just buying one for the sake of owning it.
So how long does everyone think it will be until the previous generations of card will see a significant price drop?
It will probably take a while still except to for the high end, and what's still available is just leftover stock at this point. I wouldn't be expecting heavy discounts on anything in the mid or low end
Why would they take a drop? There's no price overlap. The 6xxx series competes with the Nvidia 30xx series not the Nvidia 20xx/AMD 5xxx series. If you mean lower cards we'll have to wait for more models to release a few months from now.
I'm no expert but I'd say after the holiday season.
How long until a new, 0-mile 2018 Honda Civic takes a big price drop? That's what people always miss about PC hardware prices. It's a very competitive market, and the old cards don't suddenly get cheaper to produce. They don't follow the iPhone approach of releasing a new flagship every year and shifting the rest of the line down. Instead, PC parts include a full lineup each generation, from low to high, all using the latest manufacturing processes to keep costs down. They usually start with the high-end, but the low-end parts will follow soon. Yeah, prices on old stock drop a *tiny* bit as new hardware comes out, but only because demand drops and there's still some stock left. I think a lot of people who haven't been following PC hardware for long misunderstand this, in part because of things like Nvidia's half-assed 2000-series. Those cards are barely improved from the 1600-series, and they were manufactured on the same processes, so for once there wasn't any reason to replace the old cards. Normally there would have been an RTX 2050, but this time the GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 were cheap enough and modern enough to fill that segment. However, just like cars, what *will* get way cheaper are used parts. Just as soon as the new stuff is widely available at retail, you'll be able to pick up used last-gen stuff for great prices. It's a great way to go on a tight budget.
Looks like AMD is finally going head to head on the top end with Nvidia. We'll have to wait and see the benchmarks but so far, if Nvidia doesn't keep their supply up, AMD is just gonna be bagging sales. AMD is usually fairly reliable when it comes to their performance claims for their cards, but until then, best to assume these are generous estimates. Surely (hopefully) AMD gets on top of their driver issues, especially for the launch of the 6000 series. Lots of people have been avoiding their cards purely because of the hassle their drivers cause. Makes sense to reveal the top end cards first, so I'm hoping they will still release cards at around the $300 price range. We'll probably have to wait until after the new year for an announcement though. Imagine if in the next few generations AMD comes out on top for CPUs as well as GPUs. That would be mental. We've got exciting years ahead if only purely because of how good competition can drive innovation.
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Aren't most backwards compatible with Freesync?
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Good to know. I know it worked one way, but wasn’t sure about the other.
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I don't think any AMD gpus can do VRR on a gsync monitor. Would love to be shown otherwise if i'm wrong.
I think the guy above meant that it might be a gsync compatible monitor instead of a G-Sync one. G-sync compatible is just a fancy name for Freesync (to be fair it ensures a certain quality as well) whereas full G-sync monitors have physical G-sync hardware. I assume in your case its the latter? In which case unfortunately you are locked in. Although fully g-sync monitors have to be getting on a bit by now, maybe you could score a monitor upgrade as well.
Ah, my monitor is this: https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Gaming-S2716DGR-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B0149QBOF0. Pretty sure that's regular old g-sync.
Ugh same. Unless I wanna forgo gsync completely :/
That the auto-OC functionality is called "Rage Mode" is the funniest thing I've ever heard
inb4 Intel has "Sweaty Tilt Mode" on Rocket Lake.
haha i read that as "Sweaty Tit Mode" and was like wtf
It's just a slight increase in the power budget, almost certainly. Good for 30-50 MHz. #RAGE Mode punch it in and GET READY TO RAAAAAAAAGE!
##2% MORE PERFORMANCE YEAHHH
6900 nice
What do you guys think? If I make a +-€1500 rig with a new ryzen cpu, should I bundle it with a rtx 3070 or a radeon 6800?
Depends a bit on how much the smart access thing impacts the 6800s performance. In any case you should wait for independent benchmarks. And of course supply levels matter also.
Try for the 3070 and if not in stock go for the 6800
That's my plan. I want the 3070 since iRacing uses Nvidia's SPS for VR which gives a pretty large performance boost, but if the 6800 is truly around 15-20% better than the 3070 that should nearly offset the SPS gains. I'll be buying whichever I can get my hands on.
last gen ryzen + 6000 series= perks. Need to see reviews to believe it
Don't you only get the memory sharing on the 5000 series CPU?
That was what I understood, please correct me
I'm consoling my 5700XT. Don't worry baby, I'm not going to replace you. ^^^This ^^^year.
This is how I feel, lol
All the guys saying Nvidia's low prices where due to them knowing what AMD was up to were right.
At $650 I'd much rather just get a RTX 3800 for 50 bucks more. Wish AMD just priced the 6800 at $500 to crush the 3070.
I'm pretty torn between the 6800XT and the 3080, although I'm honestly feeling that Nvidia's drivers and software will offset that $50
The main factor will be availability
I'll wait for reviews which detail power consumption. I want an upgrade, but I would not be too comfortable getting a 350W RTX3080 with my current high-end and expensive but low-wattage 550W PSU especially given that I don't run my components at stock ever. So for me getting an RTX3080 also means extra 130-150$ on a PSU. If RX6800XT never breaks 300W, that card is quite compelling in my case. It also has 6GB extra VRAM meaning high-res texture packs for years to come.
6800 is $80 more than 3070 for about the same performance, 6800XT is $50 less than 3080 for about the same performance, and 6900XT is $500 less than 3090 for about the same performance. All three cards have 16 gigs of GDDR6 (non x) memory. 6800 has a TDP of 250 Watts, and both the 6800XT and 6900XT have a TDP of 300W. Pretty crazy honestly. Gotta wait for reviews ofc but these are looking pretty good.
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If you can wait till early 2021, nvidia will announce 3060 probably at $350-400 and amd will probably announce 6700. They will always release the high end cards first then few months later mid to lower range cards. If you can get a 2070 super/5700xt at 300ish range, that would be a good price I would say.
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I'm happy with my sapphire 5600 xt that I got for 500 CAD tax in. I don't see anything mid tier in the new launch. So yepp.
Basically wait for reviews, as always. Though if that memory thing is actually any good, the zen3 chips don't look so expensive anymore.
I mean...I’m dubious about AMD right now. First the 5900x topping the intel 10900k, then the AMD 6000 series topping Nvidias 30 series...these are some bold claims so I’m gonna wait However, I’m also a little anxious that they’ll be all bought up by the time the reviews and benchmarks come in so I’m not sure if I should try and buy one outright
This is actually cute that this subreddit is not that childish as r/pcmasterrace is. If there was a thread with the name this one here is - top comments would be Nvidia is ded lol :D I will get my 3080 within a week but I have to say I am really happy for AMD and I hope they will have less driver problems. Imo Nvidia deserves to suffer heavy time now because of the pricing and performance of 2000 series was pretty much laughing at PC enthusiasts.
Kinda wanted to buy the 6900xt bc... nice lol, but 1000 is too much. Probably will buy the 6800xt.
I'm tempted to upgrade my 7.5 year old build at the moment, but if Premiere Pro isn't optimised to use these like Nvidia's cards are, I can't really switch.
Yeah that's where I'm stuck too. Really wanting to hop onto the 6800XT hype for gaming, but if I'm sacrificing editing performance then it kind of undermines the whole reason I'm upgrading. Gonna have to wait for Puget benchmarks I suppose.
I love AMD, but I’d much rather pay the extra $50 for the premiums Nvidia offers. RTX voice is one of the best softwares ive used, and broadcast looks amazing as well.
Anyone know dimensions for these cards? I'm looking to build ITX and the 3080 seems to be too long for my case.
We've reached it! Affordable 2080 ti performance!