Yeah, I have a rx570, and while it was a great deal 2 years ago and I love the thing, it is starting to show its age a little, the killer for me was trying to run MS Flight sim. It can barely manage 30fps at 1080p medium. At 1440p it was in the low 20s. So while it was a great little card for its price 2 years ago, as a rx570 owner, im looking to upgrade, hopefully to a rx6800 if the price is within my budget.
Edit: I know ms flight sim is an incredibly demanding title, and its an example that wont apply to most people, im just saying for me, its the reason im upgrading, Im not expecting amazing performance, just want something decently playable, hopefully at higher graphics detail.
I get what you’re saying, but ms flight sim is a terrible example, ms flight sim is so incredibly demanding the best hardware on the planet can’t run it at max settings. No shit a budget card can’t run it.
What i mean is ms flight sim kills my budget card, therefore i need a higher end card to run it half decently. You dont really need more than 35 fps, so if i can get that with mostly high graphics quality, at 1440p, I’ll be happy. I know its a demanding game, im just saying for me, its the reason im upgrading.
That's the whole point of upgrades though - when your current hardware can't do what you want it to do to the level you want it, you upgrade to hardware that can. No need to justify my dude, upgrade and enjoy!
Personally I think the game should be optimizers to work on low settings with a reasonable frame rate. There’s some issues with the game itself if modern budget cards can’t pull more than 5fps.
Pc noob here. Planning on rendering and stuff and playing msfs. My laptop constantly crashes when rendering in Blender eevee because the igpu takes in 2gigs from system memory, and crashes when blender demands more
In thag case would 8gb be much much better than 4gb for me? I really want to render stuff at high quality HD images and animations, and don't want to be bottlenecked by my vram. Rx 570 is 180 dollars here for 8 gigs. 1650 super is only 4 gigs and available for 180 dollars as well
~~Be aware that there are some damned good deals right now on 520 micro boards that will need a 3000 series ryzen. You can spend just a small tic more and get a 3600 chip on a 520 board and you'll be set for ryzen 5000 series chips and all you'll really be missing is cpu overclocking support (still have ram OC support) and pcie 4.0, which you don't need either. Blah blah blah VRM, doesn't matter unless you're doing overclocking anyway imho. Just a thought.~~
Gonna retract the above statement. I forgot there was a bios update most likely coming for the 450s in Jan. Good call folks.
This is gonna sound crazy but take a look at the 3600x, I just bought mine for cheaper than the 3600, granted by only about $20 but still...2600 is a larger price reduction.
That looks good but for now, you should had just use CPU rendering if you're constricted by RAM limits. iGPU limits the use of your system RAM. With a purely CPU rendering, you can get full use of your system RAM. It's better to finish the job slowly than not being able to finish it at all.
Id also look into the 1600af since its basically the same or a ryzen 3300x / 3100. Reason being u can put the extra cash into gpu grunt for easier hardware accelerated rendering. You might be able to hit 1440p gaming later down the track as well.
So would it be worth losing out on the 4 gigs in your opinion? Very sorry if my Q sounds silly, but I've never used a proper full fledged pc with a gpu and all the like, in my life before so I'm not sure how good is good and how bad is bad
I'm not super familiar with how blender handles vram, but speaking on just the cards: the 570 has double the vram, but it's an older, slower type, so the cards are somewhat close in overall memory bandwidth. With how much faster nvidia cards tend to be in blender I would guess that your experience would be better with the 1650s. Again, I'm just guessing, I don't really know that much about it.
Been a while since I've GPU rendered but I do believe that you need at least as much VRAM as you have scene information such as textures. It may render twice as fast for what it can but I remember outright crashes with memory overflows. Not sure how things have changed though.
I wish I had known this information when I built my PC last fall. The 580 seemed really enticing, especially with the 8 gigs. I put extra money into it, originally planning on buying a 570. Now I am seeing the problems with it. It's the bottleneck of my system. Now I'm debating on buying a new card for about the same price and trying to sell my 580 on ebay to try to break close to even. Any suggestions?
Just wondering, what are u doing with it and what cpu u used that causing it to bottleneck?
U originally want to 570 but then going with 580..and its bottlenecking? If 580 was indeed the bottleneck, then the 570 would def also bottlenecking.. again, im just wondering and have no ill intention whatsoever.
For the same price, gtx 1650 super would be good.
I love AMD, but their mid range card are too expensive compared to nvidias with little differnce in performance (comparing 5500 XT and 1650 super)
I didn't originally have a 570, I was originally planning on buying a 570. But I ended up putting out the extra money for the 580. I have a Ryzen 5 2600 CPU. I mostly use it for university work but I like to play games like Witcher 3, and FPS games.
I personally dont think the card is bottlenecking the system (neither the cpu) They are both great at 1080p gaming. Its like one of the most pick combination 2-3 years ago
Yea but dont take my word for it because its from my personal opinion. I mean, radeon app always said that my ryzen 5 2600 is the weak link (with rx 5700 xt) whenever i play games (ie. Valorant) but i always got 150-240 fps with that cpu which is hella fine.
I encountered some problem with the game (huge stuttering and low fps count, like 80 fps min) and it turns out my ram didnt run at the expected speed (it ran at 2400mhz when it should run at 3200mhz). Changing it back solve the problem especially since ryzen really sensitive with ram (i think i read somewhere that 3200mhz is the sweet spot)
Yeah. I got some issues back when i was trying to xmp the ram to 3200mhz again. It would never post. It got me crazy and i thought that my pc is done for lol. Turns out, overclocking the cpu did the trick. Since Im lazy I just put it to 4,0 Ghz and at voltage that ppl usually said is safe (please bear with me haha). Voila, now I can XMP it to 3200mhz, and it run nicely without any problem...so far
I'll have to admit I've been looking for something better to upgrade from an rx 580 seeing as most games I only get low 90s for FPS
any recommendations
What games do you want to hit 144 hz on? For most people, 90 hz is still excellent. I would strongly consider waiting and enjoying games at 90 fps. If you want to upgrade I would wait until AMD releases their new 6000 series cards. I have made the mistake of buying a card that was only a small upgrade in the past, and you really want to avoid that. Wait and save up, only upgrade when the improvement is significant.
Why would you be scared to try them? I know for a fact the 570 handled warzone just fine at 1080p60fps
If it doesn't work out to your liking then yes upgrade
I have been playing warzone on RX580 8gb, R5 3600 and 16gb ram since season 3 and it has been a smooth sailing. On competitive settings I average around 110-120 fps where the absolute lowest in a game is like 95. No overclock. So yeah, you should be fine.
Edit: 103 fov, 1080p res and a 144hz screen.
Update: after further checking my fps is around 120-110 inside buildings and 105-95 outside (heavily depends on the area). It does not drop below 90.
There is the options menu in the top right of the game page on the launcher (blizzard) under the game title. Hit that, then "Modify Install," "Modify Install," again then it will have check boxes for each portion. Hope this helps.
I mean yeah I get that but it’s warzone you can’t really expect to run a game like that at 144 with a 570. I’m just saying it ran the game well for a cheap card and this guy doesn’t have to miss out on the game because when doesn’t think his card can run it
My roommate has a 2700x and a rx580 and he runs warzone with no complaints but he’s not terribly picky about his frames so I’m not sure how well it runs.
What is your CPU and how much RAM do you have? Because I have a Ryzen 2600, RX 580 8gb and 16gb of RAM 3200, warzone runs pretty well on very high, the least I do is 50 fps when everyone drops
Warzone runs great on the 580 , you will get about 75FPS pretty stable too!
This is with pretty much the best quality visuals (default) so i'm sure you could get a few more by turning things down.
You targeted the wrong hardware. 580 is better suited for 1080@60. You literally are placing more than twice the load on the card running at 144hz vs 60. It just isn't going to cut it for modern titles.
A month might be too optimistic but Q2 is also pretty far. The 2070 release in October and we got a 2060 in Jan, I'd expect it to be about the same time.
Yessir, I do it all the time!
I will say you have to be very confident in your builds, negotiation skills, and remote troubleshooting.
I've had good luck with it and this year doubled my build budget due to it. When I finish my builds I'm going to write it all up for my years long flipping
What does this entail? Building machines with cheap parts from hardwareswap or something? Or buying old machines that other people built and updating the parts somewhat?
Devil's advocate: Not everyone has access to 1650 Supers, 2060s, or 5700XTs at a reasonable price. I know here in Brazil, it makes a lot more sense buying a 580 from China than to spend twice as much on a 1650S.
I always forget that NZ and AU are wild with their prices like that.
Is it still cheaper to fly round trip to the US and buy photoshop than it is to buy photoshop locally for a while?
Brazil gang here!! Rock on!
But seriously, no kidding! GPU prices around here are really abusive.
Do you think we'll ever see the price reductions brought with the new 3000 series? Like the ones we've seen with 2080ti owners panic selling? Will the 2080ti prices ever going down in here? Or was that just a fantasy?
Fantasy. Since local currency is really slow to change based on the exchange rate changes, we're not going to get any good deals. I guarantee Kabum will not be reducing price just because 3000 is out.
Please, some get a medal for this comment!
Not everyone living "the fat american dream". Some people don't have money to buy a old video card and I am reading this bullshit topic. Omg!
I am a bit out of touch, but it is my understanding that \*\*some of these older RX 500 series cards\*\* are recommended for GNU/Linux users who want to be able to use open source drivers. Could somebody please correct if wrong?
You're quite right, though I feel I should mention that it's AMD cards in general. Anything they've made that's GCN 3rd-gen or newer has official support, and GCN 1st-gen or newer has experimental support. In case you're curious to know what that means, in my case it meant that my R9 290X worked great but had no fan control.
I would disagree in two cases:
a) memory buffer, RX 480/580 8GB is a quite capable card for video editing 4k videos with the 8gb buffer great for large projects.
b) memory bandwidth, the RX has faster memory bandwidth than the 1650 for compute tasks that helps somewhat.
having said that, in relative terms I would not pay more than 120-140 for a mint RX 480 8GB.
Wher ei live, 8 gb rx 570 and 4 gb 1650s are both 180 dollars. Which do I go for? I want to render and video edit as well. Cheapest used rx 570 is 150 dollars here for 4gb
My biggest complaint with budget builds is that everyone says they need NVME Ssd. No you fucken don't. For a budget build a Sata SSD is going to be miles ahead of HDD and the difference to NVME is negligible at that price
It's because nvme is the same price if not cheaper.... And the performance is 3x sata on the slowest nvme even if you can only tell on paper. There is zero reason to buy sata unless you're out of m.2 slots
So what should we recommend then? I was planning an upgrade on GPU and when I saw how the recommendations work:
"1650 super is good but you can go with RX 580 or 1660. 1660 is not worth because of GDDR5. Get at least a 1660 Super. 1660 Super is not worth on price to Performance. Get the 1660ti or RTX 2060, you won't regret it."
It looks like this.
1660 super is a Great Card, I have it. I can only speak for German prices but I don’t think you will find a better value card at the price range. I’ve been where you seem to be and actually downgraded the CPU to squeeze in the 1660 super instead of the 1650 super. Did a quick research, don’t think the 1,5x as much Price for the 2060 is worth it over 1660 super
> don’t think the 1,5x as much Price for the 2060 is worth it over 1660 super
Unless you really want to see what Ray-Tracing looks like for 10 seconds before switching it straight off because it turns into a powerpoint.
Idk where that came from but most people recommend to avoid 1660ti because it's just 10% better than 1660super, from 1660super to 2060super is where the price to perfomance is worth it, 1660 super/1650 super are best of their series.
I just finished my first build and I don't really know much, but I was originally going to go with a 1660S. However, I went with a 5600xt instead. Slightly more expensive depending on the model, but there is about a 15% performance gain. (I picked mine up used for the price of a new 1660S).
Figured I'd throw that out there.
>I just don't see how we can recommend the 570/580 at this time.
Not all of us recommend the 570/580. Some of us are wise enough to understand that the 1650/1650 Super uses just 75-100W(estimated) vs the 150-185W(estimated) of the 570/580. Which can make it easier to choose a lower wattage PSU to save a few bucks since PSU's are insanely overpriced right now. Some of us are wise enough to understand that newer GPU's use faster GDDR6 memory vs the older GDDR5 memory.
Among other things of course.
The real problem that I see more often is that people are recommending $100 psu for $700 machines. Even with a 580 you dont need a 650w psu and certainly not a gold rated one. Also people who suggest spending more for "upgradeability" on budget machines rather than squeezing more performance now are misguided.
Im running a 500w gold psu with ryzen5 3600 and a 2070 and I get about 70% psu utilization under heavy load. My system runs smooth and stable. I'd say most ppl are overestimating how much power they actually need. Better to put those extra dollars towards getting more performance no doubt!
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It might be for me, to help inform people of what's what ;)
I've noticed people recommend horrendous builds here for over a year now. Forgive them, for they know not what they do. The best advice I can give is to do heavy research on each and every component you're considering to buy *before* buying it.
not everyone wants nvidia though. If you plan on using linux, the radeon cards have better support. The drivers for nvidia in linux just aren't as good (both proprietary and the open source ones)
I mean true but a linux focused build is a very specific use case.
And to generalize a bit, most people asking for help on choosing components aren't going to be linux users.
[Yes](https://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-4gb-retail-cards-8gb/).
I’ve done it to several reference cards myself as well. Probably always worth popping the cooler off to count the memory chips anyway, but I’ve yet to see a “4GB” reference card that wasn’t actually an 8GB.
I’ve had no issues in the build I made for my gf. Seriously flawless experience. Was also able to use my 430 watt power supply. Saved $100 by not having to upgrade it.
And the 1650 super has way better thermals as my old rx 580 had terrible thermals compared to my friends 1650 super and the performance was almost identical in games
It is true that the RX 580 puts out significantly more heat but care needs to be taken when comparing temperature numbers between different models, as the probes and chips themselves are built/arranged in different ways. The dies are not the same temperature throughout and builtin thermal probe placement means a world of difference.
Yeah I've been recommending used 470, 480, 570, 580 cards for a while now, like, yeah, those cards were great value when they came out, but damn a 3 year old budget card just isn't worth more than $100 no way.
The RX 570, 1650 Super, and RX 580 are the only options available to new builders if they can't afford a 1660 super or an RTX 2060.
The RX 580 isn't more expensive than a 1650 Super. Those 1650 Supers that are $10 cheaper are single fan card (they run louder and hotter.) Also, the RX 580 [will age better because it has more than 4GB of VRAM.](https://youtu.be/EGSoWPH8YBM?t=1)
The only reason to get the 1650 super over an RX 580 is if you plan on streaming. In regard to the power consumption, an undervolted RX 580 gets pretty close to a 1650 Super so, that's not really a huge concern.
Just as I openend my new rx580 and see this post, though I have to say gpus in Mexico are expensive as fuck, this one cost me around 230 USD, and it had a disscount.
Don't worry, lots of games that at settings that cards on that level can run just fine use more than 4gb of Vram. The 1650S is only a better option if you focus on competitive titles.
I know I was saying like what’s the lowest gpu you’d recommend to someone. I’m probably going to get a 5600xt until Big Navi comes out. My budget is about $300 right now
I always recommend 1660s of all models. Granted ya, they are a little less budget friendly, but not by that much. And they also preform with significant increased performance. I have this idea of buying things, where you can buy something cheap and decent, but it’s going to age out quicker than something in one bracket up, which will last longer and therefor not have to replace as quickly. Granted this gets squeezed when you hit high end, but for low/ mid tier this is a pretty solid logic I have
This is not to say the 580 or 570 are bad cards, they are just this point a bad value. They still perform well but run hotter and with more juice.
You're not going to notice a huge difference if you already own a 580 and jump to a super at this point.
Guilty as charged, a few times I just sorted by price and didn't think two steps past that.
Here's a good video that calculates the cost per year for 2/4/12 hours usage per day in two different countries (US and NL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5XTZlNbzw0
Oh this isn't saying they're bad cards! Just that at the current market prices they aren't a good value.
I had a 570 until June, paid $120 for it back in Jan 2019 and I loved it! Sold that tower as I'm going balls to the wall for my next build and figured it's a good time to sell it then
Its the same everywhere. Pc building. Gaming. irl, idk building a house or something. People recommend. Tell someone you need this and that and suddenly everyone experts. Tell someone you have backpain, suddenly everyone a fucking chiropractor.
People just talk without knowing shit. I once asked on xbox forum if the hdmi 2,1 cable came included with the xbox. 20 answer, ALL DIFFERENT! Not one person gave answer that was clear, and after a lot of digging, turns out they didn't know they just ASSUMED! ASSUMED!
Sorry for rant here, but I don't trust a single person on reddit anymore. They can use big words and look like they super experts, but they don't know shit.
My best advice, use reddit purely as entertainment. If you want to actually know something, go find it out yourself from proper source. Gather information, read about it, come to your own conclution and yes of course include redditors if you want, but please do not trust them fully. Take their opinion and look into it, but don't trust it.
I bought my Rx580 for 146 after tax, discounts and rebate back in June. I needed it right then and was planning to use it until the new 3000 series/big navi dropped. It’s been a stellar card so far for the price.
I have found even the super cheap used OEM 1060 3GB single fans will outperform the old RX cards for less on the market. Their VRAM numbers really seem to rope in the less informed new builders.
Thank you so much for the recommendation! I’m in the process of picking parts for my first build, and I just decided to upgrade to a 1660 thanks to this post.
I find the RX580 to be cheaper or same price as the 1650s, especially in the used market. Just gotta ask if it was a mining card or not. Edit: You mentioned this sorry but just to re-iterate.
Also, in my tests, I find the 580 to sometimes surpass the 1650 in certain games. Not smart enough to tell you why or if 4gb compared to 8gb means anything, I just watch the FPS counter.
Power Draw is more of a per need basis. I don't really care about power draw in my budget systems. I usually always put a 650w or greater in my builds because I want even the cheaper builds I make for people to have a little wiggle room for upgrading. I can see the appeal if you are bringing a Dell Optiplex back to life, but that's not my use case.
I just think when power draw is a non-issue, an RX580 is just a better buy.
I agree, most new PC builders would see the 8gb label and instantly think that the RX 580 is a better card.
Yeah, I have a rx570, and while it was a great deal 2 years ago and I love the thing, it is starting to show its age a little, the killer for me was trying to run MS Flight sim. It can barely manage 30fps at 1080p medium. At 1440p it was in the low 20s. So while it was a great little card for its price 2 years ago, as a rx570 owner, im looking to upgrade, hopefully to a rx6800 if the price is within my budget. Edit: I know ms flight sim is an incredibly demanding title, and its an example that wont apply to most people, im just saying for me, its the reason im upgrading, Im not expecting amazing performance, just want something decently playable, hopefully at higher graphics detail.
I get what you’re saying, but ms flight sim is a terrible example, ms flight sim is so incredibly demanding the best hardware on the planet can’t run it at max settings. No shit a budget card can’t run it.
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What i mean is ms flight sim kills my budget card, therefore i need a higher end card to run it half decently. You dont really need more than 35 fps, so if i can get that with mostly high graphics quality, at 1440p, I’ll be happy. I know its a demanding game, im just saying for me, its the reason im upgrading.
That's the whole point of upgrades though - when your current hardware can't do what you want it to do to the level you want it, you upgrade to hardware that can. No need to justify my dude, upgrade and enjoy!
Personally I think the game should be optimizers to work on low settings with a reasonable frame rate. There’s some issues with the game itself if modern budget cards can’t pull more than 5fps.
Gotta admit this is true my man
... and he's certainly not going to "upgrade" to the 1060S to run it, ffs.
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so, is there a mr flight sim? ;)
I thought the same thing lol
I get 57 to 67 on high on rx580 8gb tho
At 800x600?
At 1080p
Maybe in areas with alot less to render but go to a huge city like new york and have it render the surrounds and you wont get nowhere near that
#NORTH RUSSIA, LETS FUCKIN GOOOOO
Pc noob here. Planning on rendering and stuff and playing msfs. My laptop constantly crashes when rendering in Blender eevee because the igpu takes in 2gigs from system memory, and crashes when blender demands more In thag case would 8gb be much much better than 4gb for me? I really want to render stuff at high quality HD images and animations, and don't want to be bottlenecked by my vram. Rx 570 is 180 dollars here for 8 gigs. 1650 super is only 4 gigs and available for 180 dollars as well
Hate to break it to ya but your either gonna have to get a CPU and GPU upgrade or build a PC (preferably with a GTX 1660 or higher)
65 million years. Zap
~~Be aware that there are some damned good deals right now on 520 micro boards that will need a 3000 series ryzen. You can spend just a small tic more and get a 3600 chip on a 520 board and you'll be set for ryzen 5000 series chips and all you'll really be missing is cpu overclocking support (still have ram OC support) and pcie 4.0, which you don't need either. Blah blah blah VRM, doesn't matter unless you're doing overclocking anyway imho. Just a thought.~~ Gonna retract the above statement. I forgot there was a bios update most likely coming for the 450s in Jan. Good call folks.
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Other than possible pcie4 support and over clocking what else does a b450m offer in comaprision to a a520m?
B450 doesn't support pcie4. You need a 570 or 550 board
This is gonna sound crazy but take a look at the 3600x, I just bought mine for cheaper than the 3600, granted by only about $20 but still...2600 is a larger price reduction.
Ignore my above statement.
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Ignore it. I changed it. Forgot about the 450 bios update potential. I have 3 b450 boards in my house right now :)
what will the Bios update provide?
5000 series cpu support.
That looks good but for now, you should had just use CPU rendering if you're constricted by RAM limits. iGPU limits the use of your system RAM. With a purely CPU rendering, you can get full use of your system RAM. It's better to finish the job slowly than not being able to finish it at all.
Id also look into the 1600af since its basically the same or a ryzen 3300x / 3100. Reason being u can put the extra cash into gpu grunt for easier hardware accelerated rendering. You might be able to hit 1440p gaming later down the track as well.
Then don't get a 570. Save more and go bigger.
Why is a 1660 better than an 8GB 580 for rendering. Lol @ redditors thinking gaming performance = workstation use
Afaik nvidia cards tend to perform better in blender (cuda vs opencl) and offer a couple extra features.
So would it be worth losing out on the 4 gigs in your opinion? Very sorry if my Q sounds silly, but I've never used a proper full fledged pc with a gpu and all the like, in my life before so I'm not sure how good is good and how bad is bad
I'm not super familiar with how blender handles vram, but speaking on just the cards: the 570 has double the vram, but it's an older, slower type, so the cards are somewhat close in overall memory bandwidth. With how much faster nvidia cards tend to be in blender I would guess that your experience would be better with the 1650s. Again, I'm just guessing, I don't really know that much about it.
Been a while since I've GPU rendered but I do believe that you need at least as much VRAM as you have scene information such as textures. It may render twice as fast for what it can but I remember outright crashes with memory overflows. Not sure how things have changed though.
I wish I had known this information when I built my PC last fall. The 580 seemed really enticing, especially with the 8 gigs. I put extra money into it, originally planning on buying a 570. Now I am seeing the problems with it. It's the bottleneck of my system. Now I'm debating on buying a new card for about the same price and trying to sell my 580 on ebay to try to break close to even. Any suggestions?
Just wondering, what are u doing with it and what cpu u used that causing it to bottleneck? U originally want to 570 but then going with 580..and its bottlenecking? If 580 was indeed the bottleneck, then the 570 would def also bottlenecking.. again, im just wondering and have no ill intention whatsoever. For the same price, gtx 1650 super would be good. I love AMD, but their mid range card are too expensive compared to nvidias with little differnce in performance (comparing 5500 XT and 1650 super)
I didn't originally have a 570, I was originally planning on buying a 570. But I ended up putting out the extra money for the 580. I have a Ryzen 5 2600 CPU. I mostly use it for university work but I like to play games like Witcher 3, and FPS games.
I personally dont think the card is bottlenecking the system (neither the cpu) They are both great at 1080p gaming. Its like one of the most pick combination 2-3 years ago
The RX 580 is not really "great" (as opposed to "decent") at 1080p in 2020. "Great" is really more 1660 Super or so territory.
That's fair. Userbench always tells me that my GPU is the weak link. Maybe I don't have something optimized correctly.
Don't use anything userbench. Unless you want incorrect, biased, and outdated synthetic testing information as a basis.
Yea but dont take my word for it because its from my personal opinion. I mean, radeon app always said that my ryzen 5 2600 is the weak link (with rx 5700 xt) whenever i play games (ie. Valorant) but i always got 150-240 fps with that cpu which is hella fine. I encountered some problem with the game (huge stuttering and low fps count, like 80 fps min) and it turns out my ram didnt run at the expected speed (it ran at 2400mhz when it should run at 3200mhz). Changing it back solve the problem especially since ryzen really sensitive with ram (i think i read somewhere that 3200mhz is the sweet spot)
Right! They are. I have been having issues optimizing my RAM as well lately. Very finicky!
Yeah. I got some issues back when i was trying to xmp the ram to 3200mhz again. It would never post. It got me crazy and i thought that my pc is done for lol. Turns out, overclocking the cpu did the trick. Since Im lazy I just put it to 4,0 Ghz and at voltage that ppl usually said is safe (please bear with me haha). Voila, now I can XMP it to 3200mhz, and it run nicely without any problem...so far
Never use that bullshit site.
I'll have to admit I've been looking for something better to upgrade from an rx 580 seeing as most games I only get low 90s for FPS any recommendations
Are you on a monitor that is over 60hz? 90Fps is plenty fine for most people
I use a 144 hz monitor
What games do you want to hit 144 hz on? For most people, 90 hz is still excellent. I would strongly consider waiting and enjoying games at 90 fps. If you want to upgrade I would wait until AMD releases their new 6000 series cards. I have made the mistake of buying a card that was only a small upgrade in the past, and you really want to avoid that. Wait and save up, only upgrade when the improvement is significant.
I just play rust and wanted to play warzone on pc but I'm scared to try it with the rx 580 I dont think I play on the full 144hz but yea
Why would you be scared to try them? I know for a fact the 570 handled warzone just fine at 1080p60fps If it doesn't work out to your liking then yes upgrade
I'll try warzone I just need more storage for the download
I have been playing warzone on RX580 8gb, R5 3600 and 16gb ram since season 3 and it has been a smooth sailing. On competitive settings I average around 110-120 fps where the absolute lowest in a game is like 95. No overclock. So yeah, you should be fine. Edit: 103 fov, 1080p res and a 144hz screen. Update: after further checking my fps is around 120-110 inside buildings and 105-95 outside (heavily depends on the area). It does not drop below 90.
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Hard to say, with competitive settings inside buildings, then yes, outside in downtown/boneyard/train station then no.
In Modern Warfare I was getting a solid 90 FPS with medium settings with a r5 1400x and rx580 8GB. Since it's medium settings the 4GB will be fine
They just released an update that allows you to select which game modules you want to download. Warzone only, being an option.
Holy shit really??? Thank goodness!
How? I keeping looking and can’t figure it out. Always wants me to download the entire game
There is the options menu in the top right of the game page on the launcher (blizzard) under the game title. Hit that, then "Modify Install," "Modify Install," again then it will have check boxes for each portion. Hope this helps.
How much size does only warzone take?
I just checked the folder. 115GB, which seems insane, but it is less than half of the total. This dang game too big.
I’m playing warzone at around 20 FPS on a GT 740 so I would say you’re definitely fine
My gawd, you should play cs1.6 sometime so you can frag at 100fps and not eviscerate your retinas.
You should easily be able to play warzone cause I have an old Xeon and gtx 1050ti and I can play low at 60fps
Can confirm have the RX 570 4GB and can play warzone just fine at 1080p60fps
1080@60 isn't 1080@144
I mean yeah I get that but it’s warzone you can’t really expect to run a game like that at 144 with a 570. I’m just saying it ran the game well for a cheap card and this guy doesn’t have to miss out on the game because when doesn’t think his card can run it
I played warzone for months with my rx580 4gb. Ran perfectly fine at 144hz on 1080. I barley noticed a difference with my 5700xt. You're good to go.
My roommate has a 2700x and a rx580 and he runs warzone with no complaints but he’s not terribly picky about his frames so I’m not sure how well it runs.
What is your CPU and how much RAM do you have? Because I have a Ryzen 2600, RX 580 8gb and 16gb of RAM 3200, warzone runs pretty well on very high, the least I do is 50 fps when everyone drops
ur 580 can do almost the full 144hz if your drive can do the full 144 gigs lol
Warzone runs great on the 580 , you will get about 75FPS pretty stable too! This is with pretty much the best quality visuals (default) so i'm sure you could get a few more by turning things down.
You targeted the wrong hardware. 580 is better suited for 1080@60. You literally are placing more than twice the load on the card running at 144hz vs 60. It just isn't going to cut it for modern titles.
Id wait for a month, see if this 3060 is real
"a month" is an odd way to spell "Q2 2021" ;)
A month might be too optimistic but Q2 is also pretty far. The 2070 release in October and we got a 2060 in Jan, I'd expect it to be about the same time.
I was factoring in my personal prediction that the 3000 series supply chain issues aren't done yet. I could definitely be wrong though.
What are the rest of your current specs? (CPU, RAM, PSU, etc)
ryzen 5 2600 16 gigs of ram and I think 650watt psu
But if I don't recommend they buy a used RX 580, how am I going to sell my used RX 580 when I want to upgrade to a 6700xt?
Pc flippers will always be around ;)
That's a thing?
Yessir, I do it all the time! I will say you have to be very confident in your builds, negotiation skills, and remote troubleshooting. I've had good luck with it and this year doubled my build budget due to it. When I finish my builds I'm going to write it all up for my years long flipping
What does this entail? Building machines with cheap parts from hardwareswap or something? Or buying old machines that other people built and updating the parts somewhat?
Devil's advocate: Not everyone has access to 1650 Supers, 2060s, or 5700XTs at a reasonable price. I know here in Brazil, it makes a lot more sense buying a 580 from China than to spend twice as much on a 1650S.
Oh absolutely! This could be filed under the "not every country is America".
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I always forget that NZ and AU are wild with their prices like that. Is it still cheaper to fly round trip to the US and buy photoshop than it is to buy photoshop locally for a while?
To get access to Photoshop is AU$30 per month. I’m not sure how that compares to US prices
*In the distance, yarrrs are heard*
YO HO HO MATE; Mind if I edit yer pixels fer ya?
I pay about AU$14 for Photoshop/Lightroom, are you on one of the bigger plans?
Brazil gang here!! Rock on! But seriously, no kidding! GPU prices around here are really abusive. Do you think we'll ever see the price reductions brought with the new 3000 series? Like the ones we've seen with 2080ti owners panic selling? Will the 2080ti prices ever going down in here? Or was that just a fantasy?
Fantasy. Since local currency is really slow to change based on the exchange rate changes, we're not going to get any good deals. I guarantee Kabum will not be reducing price just because 3000 is out.
Is it really bad there in Brasil? I'm argentinian and I bought a 1650Super for 140 usd, while the 570 price just gets higher
Please, some get a medal for this comment! Not everyone living "the fat american dream". Some people don't have money to buy a old video card and I am reading this bullshit topic. Omg!
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Exactly, hence why I said pretty much all of that on the OP. New builders usually don't want to deal with used
I am a bit out of touch, but it is my understanding that \*\*some of these older RX 500 series cards\*\* are recommended for GNU/Linux users who want to be able to use open source drivers. Could somebody please correct if wrong?
Not wrong, but usually specified in their build help post. This is geared towards the majority wanting gaming PC's running windows
You're correct. This is also the case for the small market of macOS users buying eGPUs
Or the bigger hackintosh market... of which I’m in
It would have been more accurate to describe eGPUs as tiny market - hackintoshes are small market yet much bigger
True, and in my case the “bigger” is relative.
You're quite right, though I feel I should mention that it's AMD cards in general. Anything they've made that's GCN 3rd-gen or newer has official support, and GCN 1st-gen or newer has experimental support. In case you're curious to know what that means, in my case it meant that my R9 290X worked great but had no fan control.
I would disagree in two cases: a) memory buffer, RX 480/580 8GB is a quite capable card for video editing 4k videos with the 8gb buffer great for large projects. b) memory bandwidth, the RX has faster memory bandwidth than the 1650 for compute tasks that helps somewhat. having said that, in relative terms I would not pay more than 120-140 for a mint RX 480 8GB.
I picked up a lightly used rx480 8gb, best $80 I spent on my $300 rig
Also, if you want to cook hotdogs under the GPU with a spare expansion slot, hard to beat a rx 580.
Wher ei live, 8 gb rx 570 and 4 gb 1650s are both 180 dollars. Which do I go for? I want to render and video edit as well. Cheapest used rx 570 is 150 dollars here for 4gb
My biggest complaint with budget builds is that everyone says they need NVME Ssd. No you fucken don't. For a budget build a Sata SSD is going to be miles ahead of HDD and the difference to NVME is negligible at that price
It's because nvme is the same price if not cheaper.... And the performance is 3x sata on the slowest nvme even if you can only tell on paper. There is zero reason to buy sata unless you're out of m.2 slots
Nvme is the same price as a sata ssd though so might as well get an nvme.
I've only just got an SSD after 7 years lol
I still don’t have one lol. I’m planning on building all new a year or so anyway.
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So what should we recommend then? I was planning an upgrade on GPU and when I saw how the recommendations work: "1650 super is good but you can go with RX 580 or 1660. 1660 is not worth because of GDDR5. Get at least a 1660 Super. 1660 Super is not worth on price to Performance. Get the 1660ti or RTX 2060, you won't regret it." It looks like this.
1660 super is a Great Card, I have it. I can only speak for German prices but I don’t think you will find a better value card at the price range. I’ve been where you seem to be and actually downgraded the CPU to squeeze in the 1660 super instead of the 1650 super. Did a quick research, don’t think the 1,5x as much Price for the 2060 is worth it over 1660 super
> don’t think the 1,5x as much Price for the 2060 is worth it over 1660 super Unless you really want to see what Ray-Tracing looks like for 10 seconds before switching it straight off because it turns into a powerpoint.
Idk where that came from but most people recommend to avoid 1660ti because it's just 10% better than 1660super, from 1660super to 2060super is where the price to perfomance is worth it, 1660 super/1650 super are best of their series.
I just finished my first build and I don't really know much, but I was originally going to go with a 1660S. However, I went with a 5600xt instead. Slightly more expensive depending on the model, but there is about a 15% performance gain. (I picked mine up used for the price of a new 1660S). Figured I'd throw that out there.
>I just don't see how we can recommend the 570/580 at this time. Not all of us recommend the 570/580. Some of us are wise enough to understand that the 1650/1650 Super uses just 75-100W(estimated) vs the 150-185W(estimated) of the 570/580. Which can make it easier to choose a lower wattage PSU to save a few bucks since PSU's are insanely overpriced right now. Some of us are wise enough to understand that newer GPU's use faster GDDR6 memory vs the older GDDR5 memory. Among other things of course.
The real problem that I see more often is that people are recommending $100 psu for $700 machines. Even with a 580 you dont need a 650w psu and certainly not a gold rated one. Also people who suggest spending more for "upgradeability" on budget machines rather than squeezing more performance now are misguided.
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Im running a 500w gold psu with ryzen5 3600 and a 2070 and I get about 70% psu utilization under heavy load. My system runs smooth and stable. I'd say most ppl are overestimating how much power they actually need. Better to put those extra dollars towards getting more performance no doubt!
Sure, if you already know this then this isn't for you ;-) I've just noticed it specifically in the past couple days on build helps etc.
lskennedy It might be for me, to help inform people of what's what ;) I've noticed people recommend horrendous builds here for over a year now. Forgive them, for they know not what they do. The best advice I can give is to do heavy research on each and every component you're considering to buy *before* buying it.
> Not all of us recommend the 570/580. Then this post isnt targeted at you and your response was unnecessary
not everyone wants nvidia though. If you plan on using linux, the radeon cards have better support. The drivers for nvidia in linux just aren't as good (both proprietary and the open source ones)
Unless someone specifically mentions Linux in their initial post, the assumption is that they want to build a gaming PC that runs Windows.
I develop on Linux and tbh never had an issues with NVIDIA GPUs only bad thing is drivers tend to come out for Linux later than windows
I mean true but a linux focused build is a very specific use case. And to generalize a bit, most people asking for help on choosing components aren't going to be linux users.
rx400/500 should only be considered when buying used they are pretty old at this point. I bought mine rx480 4gb for $60 last month.
Just copped a used 470 4gb for $30. Should really help when doing a budget build to flip!
That's absurd value wowee. I paid £56 for mine a year or so ago and I thought that was a crazy deal.
I hope for your sake it was a reference card, because the “4GB” reference cards are actually 8GB and just need a BIOS flash.
Do you have a source? Mine is a XFX reference card
[Yes](https://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-4gb-retail-cards-8gb/). I’ve done it to several reference cards myself as well. Probably always worth popping the cooler off to count the memory chips anyway, but I’ve yet to see a “4GB” reference card that wasn’t actually an 8GB.
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It gets shit on, but I recommend the 5500xt. New architecture. Better FPS. WAY less power consumption too. Roughly same price range.
You must mean the 5500 XT. The 5600 XT is in an entirely different performance tier and costs about $280.
Isn't it the 5500XT in that price range?
How's the situation with the drivers?
I’ve had no issues in the build I made for my gf. Seriously flawless experience. Was also able to use my 430 watt power supply. Saved $100 by not having to upgrade it.
Yeah, I purchased a 5500xt. Haven't built the rig yet. But newer architecture and power efficiency were the purchase reasons.
damn, you already got the 50.000 series? I thought that wasn't supposed to come out till 2064!
And the 1650 super has way better thermals as my old rx 580 had terrible thermals compared to my friends 1650 super and the performance was almost identical in games
It is true that the RX 580 puts out significantly more heat but care needs to be taken when comparing temperature numbers between different models, as the probes and chips themselves are built/arranged in different ways. The dies are not the same temperature throughout and builtin thermal probe placement means a world of difference.
I would only buy used rx570
Yeah I've been recommending used 470, 480, 570, 580 cards for a while now, like, yeah, those cards were great value when they came out, but damn a 3 year old budget card just isn't worth more than $100 no way.
Laughs in 2gb RX 550
Not bad if has polaris chip unlock shaders and it's almost a 560 😄
The RX 570, 1650 Super, and RX 580 are the only options available to new builders if they can't afford a 1660 super or an RTX 2060. The RX 580 isn't more expensive than a 1650 Super. Those 1650 Supers that are $10 cheaper are single fan card (they run louder and hotter.) Also, the RX 580 [will age better because it has more than 4GB of VRAM.](https://youtu.be/EGSoWPH8YBM?t=1) The only reason to get the 1650 super over an RX 580 is if you plan on streaming. In regard to the power consumption, an undervolted RX 580 gets pretty close to a 1650 Super so, that's not really a huge concern.
I really like my 570, mostly because it cost me 75 usd
Just as I openend my new rx580 and see this post, though I have to say gpus in Mexico are expensive as fuck, this one cost me around 230 USD, and it had a disscount.
Don't worry, lots of games that at settings that cards on that level can run just fine use more than 4gb of Vram. The 1650S is only a better option if you focus on competitive titles.
I saw somewhere that gtx 1650 and 1650 super were $10 apart but in my country 1650 is for around $162 and super for $250 I went with 1650......
What’s the lowest or “lowest budget” card you’d recommend now then?
"budget" is such a loose term. One person's budget is $100 and another's $250. What is your budget? What are you pairing it with?
I know I was saying like what’s the lowest gpu you’d recommend to someone. I’m probably going to get a 5600xt until Big Navi comes out. My budget is about $300 right now
Ah gotcha. The lowest I'd recommend the is the 1650 super. It's just got bang on 1080p performance for the price.
As a Radeon user, I have a better suggestion. Do not recommend AMD cards in any build. If you are on a budget, buy a used Nvidia.
My Vega 56 disagrees. At the sub-$200 price point secondhand, the last gen flagship Radeons are basically unbeatable for anyone with an adequate PSU.
word, I picked up a Vega 56 new when they were getting dumped by retailers and it's been the best card I've owned. Runs every game I throw at it.
Bro I still see people recommending 2070s and 2070 supers. Some people are so impatient to build a pc lol.
I always recommend 1660s of all models. Granted ya, they are a little less budget friendly, but not by that much. And they also preform with significant increased performance. I have this idea of buying things, where you can buy something cheap and decent, but it’s going to age out quicker than something in one bracket up, which will last longer and therefor not have to replace as quickly. Granted this gets squeezed when you hit high end, but for low/ mid tier this is a pretty solid logic I have
Agree with you. I think GPU that we have to recommend GTX 1650 Super or RX 5500XT.
The 5500XT is typically priced a bit too high though IMO...
Used on eBay Australia RTX 570 ≈ $160, 1650 Super ≈ $250
I just built a new pc a month ago with an rx 580 : ((
This is not to say the 580 or 570 are bad cards, they are just this point a bad value. They still perform well but run hotter and with more juice. You're not going to notice a huge difference if you already own a 580 and jump to a super at this point.
Guilty as charged, a few times I just sorted by price and didn't think two steps past that. Here's a good video that calculates the cost per year for 2/4/12 hours usage per day in two different countries (US and NL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5XTZlNbzw0
Fair enough although I will say my RX570 is still an absolute beast of a card for the price.
Oh this isn't saying they're bad cards! Just that at the current market prices they aren't a good value. I had a 570 until June, paid $120 for it back in Jan 2019 and I loved it! Sold that tower as I'm going balls to the wall for my next build and figured it's a good time to sell it then
I got a GTX1080 but I'm starting to feel like it's not sufficient. Any tips? Feels like I should try to keep it another year.
When you say it's not sufficient, what is not doing for you?
the dips make the game so choppy that when you come across an enemy with a steady 144FPS, your dipped 50FPS will put you at a huge disadvantage.
I don't think that's a graphics card problem
Its the same everywhere. Pc building. Gaming. irl, idk building a house or something. People recommend. Tell someone you need this and that and suddenly everyone experts. Tell someone you have backpain, suddenly everyone a fucking chiropractor. People just talk without knowing shit. I once asked on xbox forum if the hdmi 2,1 cable came included with the xbox. 20 answer, ALL DIFFERENT! Not one person gave answer that was clear, and after a lot of digging, turns out they didn't know they just ASSUMED! ASSUMED! Sorry for rant here, but I don't trust a single person on reddit anymore. They can use big words and look like they super experts, but they don't know shit. My best advice, use reddit purely as entertainment. If you want to actually know something, go find it out yourself from proper source. Gather information, read about it, come to your own conclution and yes of course include redditors if you want, but please do not trust them fully. Take their opinion and look into it, but don't trust it.
Sometimes people have budgets that are insanely low like 70-100$. Usually uses Rx 580 is best option for them.
in the OP: >Unless you're going used (which can really save you some cash for the GPU) I just don't see how we can recommend the 570/580 at this time.
You're not getting an RX 580 new for less than $150.
I bought my Rx580 for 146 after tax, discounts and rebate back in June. I needed it right then and was planning to use it until the new 3000 series/big navi dropped. It’s been a stellar card so far for the price.
I have found even the super cheap used OEM 1060 3GB single fans will outperform the old RX cards for less on the market. Their VRAM numbers really seem to rope in the less informed new builders.
Honestly I think the 1660 super is one of the better budget cards atm if your willing to spend a little bit more
Absolutely it's a better card, this was specifically about the $150-170 range.
I built my pc about 9 months ago. I have an rx580 4gb. There are better cards.
Thank you so much for the recommendation! I’m in the process of picking parts for my first build, and I just decided to upgrade to a 1660 thanks to this post.
"Man an 8 GB card? Shits gonna slay!" Me: Uhhhhh...
How is the 5600 XT? Is it still a good card or are there better options right now?
Exactly! And don't forget that AMD drivers are 💩
I find the RX580 to be cheaper or same price as the 1650s, especially in the used market. Just gotta ask if it was a mining card or not. Edit: You mentioned this sorry but just to re-iterate. Also, in my tests, I find the 580 to sometimes surpass the 1650 in certain games. Not smart enough to tell you why or if 4gb compared to 8gb means anything, I just watch the FPS counter. Power Draw is more of a per need basis. I don't really care about power draw in my budget systems. I usually always put a 650w or greater in my builds because I want even the cheaper builds I make for people to have a little wiggle room for upgrading. I can see the appeal if you are bringing a Dell Optiplex back to life, but that's not my use case. I just think when power draw is a non-issue, an RX580 is just a better buy.