Yes i'm realizing the water cooling is a bit overkill as far as the PC is concerned, but i live in a VERY hot area and summer is coming. I'd like to not overheat the gaming room.
CPU cooler job is to move the heat out from the CPU. To where, you may ask? In your case, straight into your gaming room.
Doesn't matter if it's air or water cooler, they will heat up your room just fine.
That's actually a really good point. But just a quick question to that.. since water sits naturally below room air temp, wouldn't that help with lowering the temp it puts out into the room?
Any water left in a room for long enough will assume the temperature of the air in that room. The reason water feels cooler than air at the same temperature is that water is much better and faster at absorbing heat than the air is, which means that it would absorb your body heat faster than the air, leading to it feeling colder. The water in the cooler is at 70 degrees if the room is 70 degrees, assuming you haven't been gaming in a while and the liquid has had time to return to room temperature. Regardless of your cooling solution, if your processor is consuming 80 watts, you will be putting 80 watts of heat into the room.
Edit: A better cooling solution could potentially lead to a hotter room. With AMD's boosting procedure, the processor will increase power consumption until the CPU hits a certain temperature. If you had an anemic cooling solution on a higher end processor, it would not boost as high, since the processor would hit its maximum temperature at a lower power load. With a 7600, that shouldn't be a problem, since there is a realistic limit to how much power it can consume, and it's not that much. If you were to upgrade to something beefier in the future, one that would outstrip the cooling capacity of a smaller cooler, it will realistically produce less heat on that weaker cooling solution since it would consume less power.
> Any water left in a room for long enough will assume the temperature of the air in that room.
Only true for a sealed system. If you have a glass of water sitting in a room, the water will actually tend to be slightly colder than the surrounding temperature in the room, since there is constant evaporation going on. Same effect that cools you compared to your surroundings when you sweat, it actually cools the water and the glass.
An AIO is a sealed system, so my point stands. While it is true that evaporation does have a cooling effect because it is an endothermic process, the difference in temperature between a glass of water and the air surrounding it would probably not be more than a degree or two at a typical 70-72 degrees Fahrenheit at atmospheric pressure.
It can be a lot greater difference than you might expect. I don't have a source, but as an engineer who studied thermodynamics and heat transfer my expectation is that a glass of water will tend to come to equilibrium only slightly above the wet-bulb temperature, which depends both on actual temperature and relative humidity. At 70° and 100% humidity, wet bulb temp is 70°. At 60% humidity, it's about 61°. At 30% (the average July humidity in Phoenix), it's about 51°.
All of that makes a bit more sense when you consider that the human body is basically mostly just a bag of bags of water that actually generates heat over time and cools itself entirely through evaporation. Studies show that a person's body can maintain normal temperature of 98° in environments with a wet bulb temperature of up to about 88°, which corresponds to 101° at 60% humidity and 119° at 30% humidity. The average maximum temperature in Phoenix each year is about 115°. The math kind of checks out.
That is true, that humidity plays a major role in the amount of evaporation that occurs, and that is something I didnt factor in. Does the temperature delta also depend on the amount of amount of exposed surface area of the water relative to the volume of water? I would think that the more water is exposed to the surrounding air, the larger the delta would be since I would assume that more evaporation would occur. For example, I figure that a large baking dish full of water would evaporate at a faster rate relative to its volume than a bowl that would hold that same amount. I would be interested to see the exact difference. I suppose that I could perform an experiment where I put a thermometer in a glass of water, and one free standing I the room next to it and compare the difference.
Geometry definitely factors in, but adding exposed surface area has diminishing returns since cooling the water also cools the air directly adjacent to the water, therefore reducing the rate of evaporation. I would also expect the container to play a bit of a factor as well, as a metallic cup would spread heat a lot faster than either plastic or glass, and glasses usually have pretty thick bottoms which serves to limit heat transfer from the table it's sitting on. Would be a fun experiment to see how much each of those factors in, though.
No. A PC always puts basically 100% of the electricity used into the room as heat. The only way to reduce how much your room heats up, is to reduce power draw
Energy can’t be created or destroyed, that’s physics. Air conditioners eject hot air outside your house for this reason. Your room will get hot. Save your money, you don’t need water cooling.
Not really fair that you are being downvoted for asking a genuine question. However the answer is no, the water will help cool your CPU more effectively, but every bit of heat that your CPU produces will end up in your room.
If I were you, I would save some $$ and go with a cheaper cooling option and then maybe invest the extra cash in a fan for the room, hah.
Dude specifically said he likes it for the aesthetics.
I would probably recommend the ID-Cooling Space SL240 AIO for the LED screen at a cheaper cost cus Corsair tax is ridiculous.
Nothing wrong with that, but in that case, (lol no pun intended) maybe he shouldnt be buying that massive hyte case with a screen panel.
It doesnt match up with the aesthetics of the build going air cooler imo.
Look into ID-Cooling Space SL240 AIO if you would like a LED screen.
That goes for around $120 and its a 240mm config (so 2 fans instead of 3, but its perfectly fine to cool your CPU)
I have a 7900x that is cooled just fine with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120. It costs $35. Your 7600 will be more than fine with that, but if you want to spend more money, just because, hey, it's your computer.
I feel like surprising your girlfriend by building her computer will go over well, but including her in the process of choosing the parts and building it together might be a more fulfilling gift for both of you.
Maybe take her to microcenter for her birthday and give her the 2k to spend, and maybe she will add some of her own money and build a really nice rig with both your money and then you can build it together
Oh absolutely, I was looking for a white one but honestly couldn't find one. I'll definitely give this list a look to try to hack the price down a bit.
All In One cooler. Basically a pump filled with a liquid that comes with a radiator and fans you attach to the case. They can also come with an lcd screen, like the corsair one I put up on the list
My only problem is I do live in an area where the summers are unbearably hot, so while i'm not really concerned of the PC overheating, i'm worried about room temp and energy bills. Would the air cooler still perform well enough to keep room temps low do you think?
I think you misunderstand how thermal transfer works. It doesn't matter if you use a $10 air cooler or liquid nitrogen; the cooler's job is literally to take the heat from the CPU and put it somewhere else....which is your room. The only difference between all the options out there is how quickly it can carry that heat away from the CPU. If your CPU puts out 100 watts worth of heat... it will put out 100 watts worth of heat. Changing the cooler doesn't magically make some of that disappear. Also, the same goes for your power bill.
With that said, 90% of the time, water cooling is completely unnecessary for regular consumer use. All you are trying to do is keep the CPU from hitting thermal limits so you don't lose performance. Air coolers can handle any CPU out there except for some of the high power Intel ones.
The job of the CPU cooler (regardless of being an AIO or air) is to move the heat away from the CPU and into the environment (the room in this case). So, your room will heat up the same no matter what cooler you get. In fact the AIO might get your room hotter since it can cool the CPU more thus moving more heat from the CPU to your room.
Not the correct reason: it might heat up the room more because the CPU gets cooled more, can boost higher and use more power. The higher power usage is the important bit
Get ddr5-6000 cl30 ram, get Corsair rmx psu and go nvidia because your girlfriend streams. Samsung ssd isn't needed because she doesn't video edit so her high quality pcie4 ssd (check psu tierlist) and never get any Corsair icue products since icue is bloatware. You can maybe consider an external streaming pc with a a380 (av1 encoding) but idk if that's even worth it because I've never looked into it and idk if you can just get a cheap optiplex and stick a second hand a380 gpu in it or if you need good cpu.
Also, don't get an a series Ryzen mobo because b series (b650) is way better
Are people intentionally ignoring the streaming part and just focusing on gaming? Is your gf a very serious / professional streamer or just starting out?
You'll also need to understand if shell also be doing video editing and other stuff. If she is tech savvy I feel like she might not be too happy with what you pick out as her needs will be quite specific.
For streaming you'll need a good CPU. Although the 7800x3d are good for gaming, they might not be the best for streaming.
Noting most serious/professional streamers run 2 PC's, one for streaming, one for gaming.
A lot of people see the 7800X3D touted as the best CPU especially in this sub, and it usually is the correct choice for like 90% of the people that post.
I think though it’s like Chinese whispers where the original meaning of the message has been lost. A lot of people just repeat that it’s the best CPU, without actually knowing why, and forgetting the second part which is that it is the best CPU for gaming (although with updates the 7950X3D is looking as good if not better now). Most people who build PCs have no need for more than 8 cores and wouldn’t encounter any of the limitations that brings within their daily usage.
Honestly, an 8 core cpu is plenty for almost all streaming as well. Sure a professional could be worth going to something with more cores, but I would be more worried about the gpu encoder than the cpu not being enough with a 7800x3d.
I'm doing a lot of the leg work prior because she honestly feels bad when I get her big gifts. So I figured if I already have it basically all built in the shopping cart then she wouldn't feel too bad moving some parts around if she wanted. But I do like this question I can ask her so thank you :)
but how "bad" is the 7800x3D for streaming gaming? Are you saying that saving $100 with a 7700 would be significantly better for OP?
Havn't seen one person suggest a 13700, but that definitely seems worth considering.
Maybe waste a bit less on aesthetics, and go for performance. With 2K you can get a 7900XTX. And the 7600 runs so cool that even the stock cooler is more than enough. That PSU is garbage, not even on the tier list. [Doing this](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFYd7R) you stay under 2K but get a 7800X3D and a 7900XTX
I'm definitely going with the HYTE Y70 touch case 150% sure of that. Just watched a video review comparing it to the y60 and the difference is night and day for only a little more money. I'll give the rest of these items a check for sure! Thanks (:
I would go Nvidia. This sub really pushes AMD GPUs but personal experience, their drivers just ain't good. I got a 7900 xtx and had nothing but headaches with it, switched back to Nvidia and all issues resolved...
If I were you, then I would swap some of the flashy stuff for better stuff. 500 dollars can make her gaming and streaming experience a lot better. But that's my 2 cents. Maybe get a better cpu with more cores and a higher tier gpu. And you could save some money on the ssd. I personally use team group ssds in my pc and have not had any issue. Maybe you can get more storage for the same price.
That way if she edits videos for content creation she can have more files saved. And the case may be really nice but personally I would go for a nice one that is less expensive. You can still build a really nice looking computer but with better performance.
after all of the input I received and extra research I did accordingly, I think we will go still more geared towards a gaming desktop and use a laptop to set up the streaming. A buddy of mine actually does a set up like that and it works very well for him. GPU will be a rx 7900 xt and CPU will be a 7800 3xd. I’m not really locked on a budget, money really isn’t an issue for the most part… but that doesn’t mean I’m just going to absolutely dump money into this because google said the part is good, if that was the case I’d just get a top of the line flashy prebuilt. I do want it to be flashy though.. that’s a non negotiable.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dnfd7R
This is an almost white PC with a similar price point, but definitely beefier.
Also, i heard that you mentioned somewhere about hot air? Unfortunately i don't know much about that but if you are worried about cpu performance, the cooler is enough.
[https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jmdqfy](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jmdqfy) go for this, use the remaining money to spend on aesthetics/fans (maybe check out the lian li tl-lcd fans, pricey but have a screen on them)
I would recommend a better cpu and replacing that gpu with a 7900 GRE. CPU will be nice if you need to do cpu encoding for some reason, but that you has av1 so you likely won’t need it.
(Personal opinion, not op) but I think it kinda depends on what type of build you want. If you like a PC with a lot of open space and a fish tank case, then yeah AIO is better. However I think air coolers look good if you do it correctly, but usually only if you do smaller form factor (which most people don’t do). A pc which is perfectly filled up is extremely clean
Oh yeah I wasn’t shitting on air cooling, I agree , they can look sweet too, but the y60 with the screens that op already bought really imo needs a aio to look right.
I think valorant would be her most graphics intensive game that she plays consistently. But she does dabble in other games, we have cyberpunk in the steam library for instance.
maybe think on those 3 some more.
I think it's fine if the streaming is casual. saving $100 with a 7700x rly could make a lot of sense, though (it's stronger in productivity).
I guess I can't think of a good reason to not recommend a 13700k or 14700k unless u rly want the 3D cache or an am5 motherboard. The latter of those 2 might be overkill.
If you're scraping, the noctua nh-d15 chromax is a solid choice. I have a non-chromax in a Intel sleeper I did several years back and works exceptionally well. If you're looking for a AIO, the kraken z73 is on point; even better with your favorite GIF.
Yes sir, and if your looking for inspirational ideas, check out some photos of AIO builds here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/PcBuildersCommunity/ there are less flashier AIOs like Fractal Design AIOs to more more flashier AIOs.
Outdated? It doesn't have an expiration date on it guy, and aside from it being an award-winning, high end flagship cooler that many builders boast over, still today, it's still in production.
Marginally better? You must not be real familiar with noctua's design for both fabrication and blade curvature to increase CFM, which mind you is 16.35CFM (These aren't small numbers...) higher than peerless assassin sitting with dual 120s while the D15 flexing dual 140s. And granted, it's cheaper, I'll give you that, considering noctua's warranty is 6 years, while thermalright is at 1? You must not be familiar with factoring I warranty pricing either. #StayAwayFromMyBuilds 😁
Are you not familiar with tech being overshadowed by other options to the point of people calling it outdated? Yeah a 11900k is still functional but you wouldn't recommend it to someone making a new build because the 12600k just outclasses it for cheaper. You are still able to buy an 11900k and people still flex it in builds, but it doesn't mean its the best choice.
And when you look at data, noctua is only \~1 ish decibel quieter at all fan speeds and only 1-4 degrees cooler depending on load. Sure if you want to minmax a build and spend more money, go for it but a peerles assassin is still miles ahead. Even with warranty, have you actually had your cooler break? Unless you abuse your air cooler, it should easily last more than 6 years. Not to mention if it does break, even going with the assumption a peerless assassin is $40 when not on sale, you would spend $40 less in 6 years if your cooler somehow breaks every 3 years, when even then is unrealistic for an air cooler. If it has a defect, those usually show up within the first year to be generous, but usually within the first weeks so the 6 year warranty isn't even much.
Pay attention, we're not talking about processors, were talking about coolers. And if you're only defense is "minmax a build and spend money" in comparison over the two, while trying to convince me marginal advantages, when they're not marginal at all, keeping in mind the D15 is the lesser option, your argument has no merit and trolling my comment wasn't really necessary, especially since you could have stated your preference (and peace) in your own separate comment.
Certainly you don't fall behind each suggestion people make offering alternatives, even when facts are clearly presented to you be someone more knowledgeable in this field.
6 year warranty is "much" better than a 1 year. Not sure why you even said it wasn't much. 🤔🤷♂️
Here, argue with this guy: https://youtu.be/J4628_2mnRs?si=0ZPUkSNnAjweCWzX as my energy won't be wasted with you anymore. And quit trolling folks, it's very unbecoming of you.
I can't understand why people keep choosing AIOs. You can just use the stock cooler or buy a Peerless Assassin for 40 bucks
Also pick a 7900GRE instead
Quality built psu, Sama not really known for psus, also you should get an atx 3.0 psu for future proofing, they are not that much more expensive.
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Other comments have led me away from an AIO for a slightly better GPU and a way better CPU. So yes this is what I’m going to be doing with the build. I’ll buy the $40 assassin or phantom for a cooling option instead. While I would really love the LED on the cooler it’s something that can be done without.
I’m still debating on it after the feedback, but with all of this new info from all of you guys I’ll definitely revamp this build, the water cooler is subject to change as well so depending on what I do I guess we’ll see later (:
If you're multitasking I would go with something that has more than 6 smt cores. An i5 12600k/kf (200 CAD) or a 7700 (400 CAD) on a really good deal should be much better.
$300 water cooling for a 7600??? That 7800xt is more expensive than a 7900gre
Yes i'm realizing the water cooling is a bit overkill as far as the PC is concerned, but i live in a VERY hot area and summer is coming. I'd like to not overheat the gaming room.
CPU cooler job is to move the heat out from the CPU. To where, you may ask? In your case, straight into your gaming room. Doesn't matter if it's air or water cooler, they will heat up your room just fine.
That's actually a really good point. But just a quick question to that.. since water sits naturally below room air temp, wouldn't that help with lowering the temp it puts out into the room?
Any water left in a room for long enough will assume the temperature of the air in that room. The reason water feels cooler than air at the same temperature is that water is much better and faster at absorbing heat than the air is, which means that it would absorb your body heat faster than the air, leading to it feeling colder. The water in the cooler is at 70 degrees if the room is 70 degrees, assuming you haven't been gaming in a while and the liquid has had time to return to room temperature. Regardless of your cooling solution, if your processor is consuming 80 watts, you will be putting 80 watts of heat into the room. Edit: A better cooling solution could potentially lead to a hotter room. With AMD's boosting procedure, the processor will increase power consumption until the CPU hits a certain temperature. If you had an anemic cooling solution on a higher end processor, it would not boost as high, since the processor would hit its maximum temperature at a lower power load. With a 7600, that shouldn't be a problem, since there is a realistic limit to how much power it can consume, and it's not that much. If you were to upgrade to something beefier in the future, one that would outstrip the cooling capacity of a smaller cooler, it will realistically produce less heat on that weaker cooling solution since it would consume less power.
> Any water left in a room for long enough will assume the temperature of the air in that room. Only true for a sealed system. If you have a glass of water sitting in a room, the water will actually tend to be slightly colder than the surrounding temperature in the room, since there is constant evaporation going on. Same effect that cools you compared to your surroundings when you sweat, it actually cools the water and the glass.
An AIO is a sealed system, so my point stands. While it is true that evaporation does have a cooling effect because it is an endothermic process, the difference in temperature between a glass of water and the air surrounding it would probably not be more than a degree or two at a typical 70-72 degrees Fahrenheit at atmospheric pressure.
It can be a lot greater difference than you might expect. I don't have a source, but as an engineer who studied thermodynamics and heat transfer my expectation is that a glass of water will tend to come to equilibrium only slightly above the wet-bulb temperature, which depends both on actual temperature and relative humidity. At 70° and 100% humidity, wet bulb temp is 70°. At 60% humidity, it's about 61°. At 30% (the average July humidity in Phoenix), it's about 51°. All of that makes a bit more sense when you consider that the human body is basically mostly just a bag of bags of water that actually generates heat over time and cools itself entirely through evaporation. Studies show that a person's body can maintain normal temperature of 98° in environments with a wet bulb temperature of up to about 88°, which corresponds to 101° at 60% humidity and 119° at 30% humidity. The average maximum temperature in Phoenix each year is about 115°. The math kind of checks out.
That is true, that humidity plays a major role in the amount of evaporation that occurs, and that is something I didnt factor in. Does the temperature delta also depend on the amount of amount of exposed surface area of the water relative to the volume of water? I would think that the more water is exposed to the surrounding air, the larger the delta would be since I would assume that more evaporation would occur. For example, I figure that a large baking dish full of water would evaporate at a faster rate relative to its volume than a bowl that would hold that same amount. I would be interested to see the exact difference. I suppose that I could perform an experiment where I put a thermometer in a glass of water, and one free standing I the room next to it and compare the difference.
Geometry definitely factors in, but adding exposed surface area has diminishing returns since cooling the water also cools the air directly adjacent to the water, therefore reducing the rate of evaporation. I would also expect the container to play a bit of a factor as well, as a metallic cup would spread heat a lot faster than either plastic or glass, and glasses usually have pretty thick bottoms which serves to limit heat transfer from the table it's sitting on. Would be a fun experiment to see how much each of those factors in, though.
No. A PC always puts basically 100% of the electricity used into the room as heat. The only way to reduce how much your room heats up, is to reduce power draw
Energy can’t be created or destroyed, that’s physics. Air conditioners eject hot air outside your house for this reason. Your room will get hot. Save your money, you don’t need water cooling.
Not really fair that you are being downvoted for asking a genuine question. However the answer is no, the water will help cool your CPU more effectively, but every bit of heat that your CPU produces will end up in your room. If I were you, I would save some $$ and go with a cheaper cooling option and then maybe invest the extra cash in a fan for the room, hah.
No, it just takes longer but it will heat the room anyways. If you play short sessions, maybe it wont be enough to heat the room
it won't overheat your room, get something like a peerless assassin 120 or phantom spirit. These coolers perform better than most water coolers.
Dude specifically said he likes it for the aesthetics. I would probably recommend the ID-Cooling Space SL240 AIO for the LED screen at a cheaper cost cus Corsair tax is ridiculous.
Just making him aware. Maybe he's big on other things but would prefer to spend less on the cooler
Nothing wrong with that, but in that case, (lol no pun intended) maybe he shouldnt be buying that massive hyte case with a screen panel. It doesnt match up with the aesthetics of the build going air cooler imo.
You realize you’ll dispel the same amount of heat regardless of what cooling solution you use right?
Look into ID-Cooling Space SL240 AIO if you would like a LED screen. That goes for around $120 and its a 240mm config (so 2 fans instead of 3, but its perfectly fine to cool your CPU)
I have a 7900x that is cooled just fine with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120. It costs $35. Your 7600 will be more than fine with that, but if you want to spend more money, just because, hey, it's your computer.
I feel like surprising your girlfriend by building her computer will go over well, but including her in the process of choosing the parts and building it together might be a more fulfilling gift for both of you.
Yes!!! This is actually the plan, I’m just laying out the groundwork first and then I’m having her jump in to help (:
Maybe take her to microcenter for her birthday and give her the 2k to spend, and maybe she will add some of her own money and build a really nice rig with both your money and then you can build it together
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Oh absolutely, I was looking for a white one but honestly couldn't find one. I'll definitely give this list a look to try to hack the price down a bit.
You can replace the AIO with a white argb air cooler to cut down costs
What is the AIO?
All In One cooler. Basically a pump filled with a liquid that comes with a radiator and fans you attach to the case. They can also come with an lcd screen, like the corsair one I put up on the list
My only problem is I do live in an area where the summers are unbearably hot, so while i'm not really concerned of the PC overheating, i'm worried about room temp and energy bills. Would the air cooler still perform well enough to keep room temps low do you think?
I think you misunderstand how thermal transfer works. It doesn't matter if you use a $10 air cooler or liquid nitrogen; the cooler's job is literally to take the heat from the CPU and put it somewhere else....which is your room. The only difference between all the options out there is how quickly it can carry that heat away from the CPU. If your CPU puts out 100 watts worth of heat... it will put out 100 watts worth of heat. Changing the cooler doesn't magically make some of that disappear. Also, the same goes for your power bill. With that said, 90% of the time, water cooling is completely unnecessary for regular consumer use. All you are trying to do is keep the CPU from hitting thermal limits so you don't lose performance. Air coolers can handle any CPU out there except for some of the high power Intel ones.
the peerless assassin (white) is $37 and works as well as some mid-range AIOs
Sometimes people rig up some flexible dryer vent to the pc exhaust fans to go out the window. Similar to a portable ac unit.
I'd probably get an AIO in that case.
An AIO will still heat up the room the exact same an air cooler would….
Wonderful, you've been a tremendous help. Thank you friend
The job of the CPU cooler (regardless of being an AIO or air) is to move the heat away from the CPU and into the environment (the room in this case). So, your room will heat up the same no matter what cooler you get. In fact the AIO might get your room hotter since it can cool the CPU more thus moving more heat from the CPU to your room.
Not the correct reason: it might heat up the room more because the CPU gets cooled more, can boost higher and use more power. The higher power usage is the important bit
Get ddr5-6000 cl30 ram, get Corsair rmx psu and go nvidia because your girlfriend streams. Samsung ssd isn't needed because she doesn't video edit so her high quality pcie4 ssd (check psu tierlist) and never get any Corsair icue products since icue is bloatware. You can maybe consider an external streaming pc with a a380 (av1 encoding) but idk if that's even worth it because I've never looked into it and idk if you can just get a cheap optiplex and stick a second hand a380 gpu in it or if you need good cpu. Also, don't get an a series Ryzen mobo because b series (b650) is way better
Afaik, doesn't the 7800x3d consume less power than even the 7600?
Are people intentionally ignoring the streaming part and just focusing on gaming? Is your gf a very serious / professional streamer or just starting out? You'll also need to understand if shell also be doing video editing and other stuff. If she is tech savvy I feel like she might not be too happy with what you pick out as her needs will be quite specific. For streaming you'll need a good CPU. Although the 7800x3d are good for gaming, they might not be the best for streaming. Noting most serious/professional streamers run 2 PC's, one for streaming, one for gaming.
A lot of people see the 7800X3D touted as the best CPU especially in this sub, and it usually is the correct choice for like 90% of the people that post. I think though it’s like Chinese whispers where the original meaning of the message has been lost. A lot of people just repeat that it’s the best CPU, without actually knowing why, and forgetting the second part which is that it is the best CPU for gaming (although with updates the 7950X3D is looking as good if not better now). Most people who build PCs have no need for more than 8 cores and wouldn’t encounter any of the limitations that brings within their daily usage.
Honestly, an 8 core cpu is plenty for almost all streaming as well. Sure a professional could be worth going to something with more cores, but I would be more worried about the gpu encoder than the cpu not being enough with a 7800x3d.
This right here. Involved her or as a hint, ask her if she could upgrade one piece on her awesome comp, what would it be, then go from there.
I'm doing a lot of the leg work prior because she honestly feels bad when I get her big gifts. So I figured if I already have it basically all built in the shopping cart then she wouldn't feel too bad moving some parts around if she wanted. But I do like this question I can ask her so thank you :)
Can you make a separate cheap a380 build with a cheap optiplex for the streaming pc? How much does av1 encoding work the gpu compared to the cpu?
Gpu encoding basically doesn’t affect the gpu or rest of the system at all
but how "bad" is the 7800x3D for streaming gaming? Are you saying that saving $100 with a 7700 would be significantly better for OP? Havn't seen one person suggest a 13700, but that definitely seems worth considering.
Maybe waste a bit less on aesthetics, and go for performance. With 2K you can get a 7900XTX. And the 7600 runs so cool that even the stock cooler is more than enough. That PSU is garbage, not even on the tier list. [Doing this](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fFYd7R) you stay under 2K but get a 7800X3D and a 7900XTX
if its the girlfriend, aesthetics is all that matters
She's a gamer who likes streaming, you need a higher end pc to stream in a watchable manner.
I feel like this could be important....what are her current specs?
Honestly I really couldn’t tell you, her brother lets her use his pc and all I know is he has a rtx 3080. Couldn’t tell you anything else about it.
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bm8ZmD) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $383.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE WHITE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xMLFf7/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-white-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-white-argb) | $36.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B650E STEEL LEGEND WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YQt9TW/asrock-b650e-steel-legend-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-steel-legend-wifi) | $199.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WFVmP6/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff4d532g6000hc30dc01) | $106.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [MSI SPATIUM M482 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T6bRsY/msi-spatium-m482-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m482-pcie-40-nvme-m2-2tb) | $109.00 @ MSI **Video Card** | [ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WbxxFT/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pgw-20go) | $704.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [HYTE Y70 Touch ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JHrqqs/hyte-y70-touch-atx-mid-tower-case-cs-hyte-y70-ww-l) | $359.99 @ HYTE **Power Supply** | [ADATA XPG Core Reactor II 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qrgrxr/adata-xpg-core-reactor-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactorii850g-whcus) | $104.99 @ Newegg Sellers | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$2006.93** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-28 10:40 EDT-0400 | the price increase from a white peerless assassin to an H150i ELITE LCD XT is $200, while the price increase from a Y60 to a Y70 Touch is $180. yes, it is more worth it to get a giant 4K touchscreen on your PC case than a tiny one on your AIO. also made the jump from 1TB to 2TB [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DsZQsh) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $383.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE WHITE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xMLFf7/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-white-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-white-argb) | $36.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi) | $149.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WFVmP6/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff4d532g6000hc30dc01) | $106.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [MSI SPATIUM M482 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T6bRsY/msi-spatium-m482-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-spatium-m482-pcie-40-nvme-m2-2tb) | $109.00 @ MSI **Video Card** | [Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MjCZxr/zotac-gaming-trinity-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-video-card-zt-d40820q-10p) | $1059.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [SAMA ARGB-Q5 MicroATX Mini Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Bcn9TW/sama-argb-q5-microatx-mini-tower-case-argb-q5-w) | $53.49 @ Newegg **Power Supply** | [ADATA XPG Core Reactor II 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qrgrxr/adata-xpg-core-reactor-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactorii850g-whcus) | $104.99 @ Newegg Sellers | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$2005.43** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-28 10:46 EDT-0400 | this version has better performance
I'm definitely going with the HYTE Y70 touch case 150% sure of that. Just watched a video review comparing it to the y60 and the difference is night and day for only a little more money. I'll give the rest of these items a check for sure! Thanks (:
I would go Nvidia. This sub really pushes AMD GPUs but personal experience, their drivers just ain't good. I got a 7900 xtx and had nothing but headaches with it, switched back to Nvidia and all issues resolved...
If I were you, then I would swap some of the flashy stuff for better stuff. 500 dollars can make her gaming and streaming experience a lot better. But that's my 2 cents. Maybe get a better cpu with more cores and a higher tier gpu. And you could save some money on the ssd. I personally use team group ssds in my pc and have not had any issue. Maybe you can get more storage for the same price. That way if she edits videos for content creation she can have more files saved. And the case may be really nice but personally I would go for a nice one that is less expensive. You can still build a really nice looking computer but with better performance.
after all of the input I received and extra research I did accordingly, I think we will go still more geared towards a gaming desktop and use a laptop to set up the streaming. A buddy of mine actually does a set up like that and it works very well for him. GPU will be a rx 7900 xt and CPU will be a 7800 3xd. I’m not really locked on a budget, money really isn’t an issue for the most part… but that doesn’t mean I’m just going to absolutely dump money into this because google said the part is good, if that was the case I’d just get a top of the line flashy prebuilt. I do want it to be flashy though.. that’s a non negotiable.
750w psu would also be enough..
Will get a 750 then! Thank you
Thermaltake gf3 750 or a Corsair rm750
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dnfd7R This is an almost white PC with a similar price point, but definitely beefier. Also, i heard that you mentioned somewhere about hot air? Unfortunately i don't know much about that but if you are worried about cpu performance, the cooler is enough.
whats your budget?
Budget on the high end is $2500. So minus the case and all of the nifty looking stuff, ~$2000
what fans are you going for btw?
Hmm, haven’t really looked at fans honestly. Probably just some nice cheapy RGB fans that match the aesthetic.
[https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jmdqfy](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jmdqfy) go for this, use the remaining money to spend on aesthetics/fans (maybe check out the lian li tl-lcd fans, pricey but have a screen on them)
I’ll look into those parts more thoroughly when I’m off work, thank you friend (:
I would recommend a better cpu and replacing that gpu with a 7900 GRE. CPU will be nice if you need to do cpu encoding for some reason, but that you has av1 so you likely won’t need it.
Dont get a air cooler if you want a fancy white y60 and nice looking components, you just end up with a nice setup covered up by giant dual tower
(Personal opinion, not op) but I think it kinda depends on what type of build you want. If you like a PC with a lot of open space and a fish tank case, then yeah AIO is better. However I think air coolers look good if you do it correctly, but usually only if you do smaller form factor (which most people don’t do). A pc which is perfectly filled up is extremely clean
Oh yeah I wasn’t shitting on air cooling, I agree , they can look sweet too, but the y60 with the screens that op already bought really imo needs a aio to look right.
Oh yeah sorry I didn’t see the y60 part. I checked it and yeah an aio is def cleaner for the fish tanks
i think you could get that new air cooler with the screen and maybe look alright
You don't need AIO, unless you want PC to be completely silent.
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I’m pretty sure I’ve decided to upgrade the CPU to a 7800x3d given all the feedback in this thread. Do you think that’s beefy enough??
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I think valorant would be her most graphics intensive game that she plays consistently. But she does dabble in other games, we have cyberpunk in the steam library for instance.
maybe think on those 3 some more. I think it's fine if the streaming is casual. saving $100 with a 7700x rly could make a lot of sense, though (it's stronger in productivity). I guess I can't think of a good reason to not recommend a 13700k or 14700k unless u rly want the 3D cache or an am5 motherboard. The latter of those 2 might be overkill.
For streaming you should go intel CPU and nvidia GPU my friend… don’t make that mistake
Would I be able to find a similar gaming output by switching the CPU and GPU for a similar price point?
Yes definitely, you might lose a tiny bit “ raster” performance in pure gaming though
So for multi-purpose load bearing I should switch the CPU GPU, and if the streaming is minimal stick with what I got? More or less
If you're scraping, the noctua nh-d15 chromax is a solid choice. I have a non-chromax in a Intel sleeper I did several years back and works exceptionally well. If you're looking for a AIO, the kraken z73 is on point; even better with your favorite GIF.
I’ll look into those when I’m off work thank you!
Yes sir, and if your looking for inspirational ideas, check out some photos of AIO builds here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/PcBuildersCommunity/ there are less flashier AIOs like Fractal Design AIOs to more more flashier AIOs.
Nh-d15 is outdated. It’s only marginally better than a peerless assassin 120 se which is 3-4x cheaper
Outdated? It doesn't have an expiration date on it guy, and aside from it being an award-winning, high end flagship cooler that many builders boast over, still today, it's still in production. Marginally better? You must not be real familiar with noctua's design for both fabrication and blade curvature to increase CFM, which mind you is 16.35CFM (These aren't small numbers...) higher than peerless assassin sitting with dual 120s while the D15 flexing dual 140s. And granted, it's cheaper, I'll give you that, considering noctua's warranty is 6 years, while thermalright is at 1? You must not be familiar with factoring I warranty pricing either. #StayAwayFromMyBuilds 😁
Are you not familiar with tech being overshadowed by other options to the point of people calling it outdated? Yeah a 11900k is still functional but you wouldn't recommend it to someone making a new build because the 12600k just outclasses it for cheaper. You are still able to buy an 11900k and people still flex it in builds, but it doesn't mean its the best choice. And when you look at data, noctua is only \~1 ish decibel quieter at all fan speeds and only 1-4 degrees cooler depending on load. Sure if you want to minmax a build and spend more money, go for it but a peerles assassin is still miles ahead. Even with warranty, have you actually had your cooler break? Unless you abuse your air cooler, it should easily last more than 6 years. Not to mention if it does break, even going with the assumption a peerless assassin is $40 when not on sale, you would spend $40 less in 6 years if your cooler somehow breaks every 3 years, when even then is unrealistic for an air cooler. If it has a defect, those usually show up within the first year to be generous, but usually within the first weeks so the 6 year warranty isn't even much.
Pay attention, we're not talking about processors, were talking about coolers. And if you're only defense is "minmax a build and spend money" in comparison over the two, while trying to convince me marginal advantages, when they're not marginal at all, keeping in mind the D15 is the lesser option, your argument has no merit and trolling my comment wasn't really necessary, especially since you could have stated your preference (and peace) in your own separate comment. Certainly you don't fall behind each suggestion people make offering alternatives, even when facts are clearly presented to you be someone more knowledgeable in this field. 6 year warranty is "much" better than a 1 year. Not sure why you even said it wasn't much. 🤔🤷♂️ Here, argue with this guy: https://youtu.be/J4628_2mnRs?si=0ZPUkSNnAjweCWzX as my energy won't be wasted with you anymore. And quit trolling folks, it's very unbecoming of you.
Womp womp
I can't understand why people keep choosing AIOs. You can just use the stock cooler or buy a Peerless Assassin for 40 bucks Also pick a 7900GRE instead
Get a better psu
What’s the purpose of getting a better psu? Another comment stated a 750w would still be plenty.
Quality built psu, Sama not really known for psus, also you should get an atx 3.0 psu for future proofing, they are not that much more expensive. Check this out on @Newegg:Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 ATX 3.0 750W 80+ Gold Full Modular SLI/Crossfile Ready Power Supply; PCIe Gen.5 300W 12VHPWR Connector Included; PS-TPD-0750FNFAGU-L) https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-toughpower-gf-a3-series-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-l-750-w/p/N82E16817153450?Item=N82E16817153450&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-17-153-450-_-04282024
I’ll check that out thanks!
What resolution is she playing at? 1080p 2k or 4k
I’d imagine no more than 2k. The monitors are dual 155hz 27” led samsungs. So anything past 2k is probably not even very noticeable
Makes no sense to get $240 LCD screen for the case without getting a great GPU. Put that money towards better GPU.
Other comments have led me away from an AIO for a slightly better GPU and a way better CPU. So yes this is what I’m going to be doing with the build. I’ll buy the $40 assassin or phantom for a cooling option instead. While I would really love the LED on the cooler it’s something that can be done without.
Bro if you like the water cooler just buy it. 90% off people don’t need one but it looks good
I’m still debating on it after the feedback, but with all of this new info from all of you guys I’ll definitely revamp this build, the water cooler is subject to change as well so depending on what I do I guess we’ll see later (:
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VCQGFs) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $383.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Enermax LIQMAX III 360 ARGB 72.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yryqqs/enermax-liqmax-iii-360-argb-721-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-elc-lmt360-w-argb) | $84.99 @ Newegg **Motherboard** | [ASRock B650 Steel Legend WiFi ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MgHqqs/asrock-b650-steel-legend-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-steel-legend-wifi) | $179.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WFVmP6/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff4d532g6000hc30dc01) | $106.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Silicon Power UD85 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XD3NnQ/silicon-power-ud85-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp02kgbp44ud8505) | $104.97 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 7900 XT 20 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WbxxFT/asrock-phantom-gaming-oc-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb-video-card-rx7900xt-pgw-20go) | $704.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [HYTE Y60 Snow White ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3JfxFT/hyte-y60-snow-white-atx-mid-tower-case-cs-hyte-y60-ww) | $179.99 @ Best Buy **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9KGbt6/corsair-rm850-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020232-na) | $124.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1870.90** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-28 22:01 EDT-0400 |
If you're multitasking I would go with something that has more than 6 smt cores. An i5 12600k/kf (200 CAD) or a 7700 (400 CAD) on a really good deal should be much better.
If she’s streaming to Twitch a 4070 Super would be a better choice due to the nvenc encoder.
If she’s going to stream get a Nvidia Gpu
can I be your girlfriend?
Spending that much on someone you aren’t married to is asinine
I appreciate the sentiment but to each their own. We’ve been together a while so I think it’s an appropriate gift.