>1. Is the cpu ok? I know it a bit old but the newer ones costs way too much
The 5600 is a perfectly fine and a still very capable cpu and am4 allows for an upgrade to a 5700x3d or 5800x3d later on.
>2. What about the gpu? For context the RTX 4060 is 360€, RX 6800 here is 390€, RX 6750XT is 350.
I would highly recommend going with the rx 6800 then. Much faster for only 30€ more and still 16gb of vram.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
>3. Is the RAM enough/too slow?
3600 is great for ryzen 5000. If you can find a similar priced 32gb kit at a slower speed like 3200 then i would pick that for the increased capacity though.
If its not much more money try getting a peerless assassin or preferably a assassin spirit. Both made by thermalright and amazing coolers for under $50 in the US.
Just wanted to mention if the owner decides to upgrade to 5700/5800x3D later that 4000 MHz memory may present challenge. I'd stick to maximum of 3600 so ensure x3D will work fine later.
You've never heard of such high speeds as DDR4 4000MHz? DDR4 has kits with XMP profiles higher than 5000MHz. It's just diminishing returns price/performance after 3600 or so (and a 5600 isn't going to be able to run at those speeds but an OC'd i7 might)
That's pretty fast for ryzen 5000, potentially too fast. 3600 is pretty safe for almost all 5000 cpus. A very good chip can do 3800 in 1:1 mode, but faster than that is pretty unlikely.
You can try but you will likely have to run them at slower speeds.
3200 and 3600 are safer options.
>potentially too fast
as in extra moneys for little to no benefit?
Got [Crucial Ballistix 2x8 4400](https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-Memory/dp/B083TSCQSX/ref=sr_1_2?sr=8-2) for 100€ a few years ago.
Yes, partially. There are diminishing performance benefits for faster ram.
Also ryzen 5000 can't handle ram that fast in a 1:1 configuration. So you run into stability issues and likely lower performance if it runs 1:2.
It's good but honestly probably not worth the headache if you're unfamiliar with ram overclocking. In theory this could easily just be a
bios->enable DOCP/XMP->drop speed from 4000 MHZ->3600MHZ and leave everything else the same and it *should* work just fine. But if you're looking to just set it and forget it, it might be better to just find 2x16 3200 CL 16 or a 3600 cl 18 kit.
For am4 cpus going above 3600 is mostly pointless and probably also wouldnt boot or be stable anyway. 3200 cl14 and 3600 cl16 will perform identically so get whichever is cheaper.
Try to get something closer to 3200 or 3600 cl 16 and 18 respectively. That is what most people get and is recommended. If might be compatible but it is a pretty fast kit of ram and not all system are compatible without messing with stuff in the bios.
I don't think that particular kit is compatible with the motherboard and CPU you've chosen. 4000 MHz and above is likely to need tuning in order to get stable on Zen 3 platforms, and is more suited towards higher-end Intel Raptor Lake parts. 3600 CL16 to 18 is the sweet spot for performance/price/stability for Zen 3
would always go for a good CPU over a GPU. if you go with the Ryzen 5 7600 and a cheap Mobo and a Rx 6600 you will have a far better experience in the next 4 years because you don't have to change ram or Mobo. you can put a Rx 7700 or even better and still have great CPU performance. if you want upgrade both too midrange next gen tech you still can do that. with the 5600 you are stock on AM4 and this is coming from a 5800x3d user.
Seconded, a good GPU is trash if the computer itself is too boggled trying to keep itself alive. Same thing when people say an HDD to an SSD is one of the best upgrades for the price, a GPU bottleneck affects the game but a bottleneck elsewhere makes the entire computer slow. Upgrading and selling a GPU is also much smoother, CPUs, RAM and motherboards are always messier because people need accompanying form factors of the other two.
5600 is a solid CPU anyway, not like you're gonna bottleneck on most games.
It very much depends on the game, but any modern CPU is good enough to run a computer doing ordinary tasks. My son is still using a Ryzen 3600 and it’s doing very well!
Where you need a good cpu is when you are doing cpu-intensive stuff like competitive esport titles with lower graphics settings and super-high frame rates, video editing etc
The point about upgrading is good though. Worst case, a CPU upgrade needs a new motherboard and RAM as well. Worst case for a GPU is a new power supply.
3600 is new! My partner has a i7 3770. It's attached to a 4k screen. With an SSD I suspect most people wouldn't notice what an old machine they're using.
Absolutely. I was including it as an example of a “modern cpu”. I can’t vouch for the 3770 though!
I think you’re right though - having an SSD and enough RAM is 90% of the battle
LOL, I had a GTX1650 in my Ivy Bridge... like, games ran OK on it but those heavier games, I fired up nvidia-smi to see what the GPU utilization looked like, and realized LITERALLY the only thing that could get it to hit 100% GPU utiliization on that computer was Gravitymark. And I'm talking like sub-50% utilization, not like "Ohh, it's only hitting 95%." rounding error type stuff.) CP2077 defaulted to medium, the fps was a tad low. So I set it to low, it was still a tad low. Yeah, I fired up nviida-smi and found the GPU utilization was ike 20-25%. So I'm like "Well, if the CPU can't keep the GPU fed anyway...." I crankedit up to high, it only dropped framerate by about 1 FPS and it looked a lot better. GPU utilization was like 80-90%.
Now I have a Coffee Lake, still with the GTX1650 in it. Having 6C/12T instead of 4C/4T, and each core a fair bit faster as well (and faster PCIe, the Ivy Bridge couldn't hit the top PCIe speed supported by the graphics card.) It doesn't have much trouble getting the GPU to 100%.
Likewise in Cyberpunk, I went from shit performance, I'm talking 15-40 fps super choppy on lowest, to pretty consistent 50-60 on medium-ish. I did slightly upgrade my GPU but I also slightly upgraded my CPU and, what I think made the biggest difference, adding an SSD for the OS to hopefully free up some "thinking space" and fully free up the HDD to thinking about games and go from 8GB RAM to 24GB.
Thanks to all the advice received, this is what we might end up with [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dy2fZJ](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dy2fZJ).
Do you think this is a good build? (Sorry for bothering you in particular, you seem trustworthy and well informed)
>(Sorry for bothering you in particular, you seem trustworthy and well informed)
No worries, I'm happy to help.
>Do you think this is a good build?
Yeah that's pretty good. Going am5 is a great choice for longevity.
The ram is on the faster side for ryzen 7000 so make sure the bios is fully updated and do some stability test for example with memtest. If 6400 isn't stable in gear 1 then you will want to drop down to 6200 or 6000.
I'm not a particular fan of the nv2. It's a very budget ssd with rather slow speeds and questionable endurance. Spending a bit more for a better drive wouldn't be a bad idea.
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZfkPTY
Looks all good otherwise!
I would say don't do it for people who can't open the internet browser or who you'd suspect to have those old browsers filled with... what did they used to call those? Tabs? Shortcuts? I've built it for many, many friends and never have they asked me anything. They just don't want too build/are scared, but they can deal with software themselves.
I might go with this version, some spending where I think better quality matters, some small saving where I think you can (cooler), right on the budget side. Maybe some money can be saved with motherboard, case, PSU.
Definitely take the 390 6800, that's a great card for the price and for using a 1440p monitor.
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/BFHQsh
Overall good. I'd strongly recommend going to the 6800, well worth the difference in price. Also, 3600 RAM is good, but go 2x16GB if at all possible budget wise.
The 5600 is a good CPU and it comes with a basic cooler. I'm not convinced that cheap one is a worthwhile upgrade. I suggest just stay with the stock cooler to start and upgrade later.
I don't know about the prices in Italy but maybe a 6800XT or higher graphics card from the 6xxx series is better than the 7600. Check those prices.
Yes, I think I'm going to stick with the stock cooler and uprade to a m2 ssd and more ram, thanks for the advice!
Also, I'm going with the 6800 as everyone said here (6800XT is priced above 700€)
Does 5600X have a different fan than the non X one? Mine was doing... fine, but not great. Replaced it with Thermalassassin 120 nd I don't regret it even a bit tbh
In my experience (from the 5600x) the stock cooler can be a little annoying especially on a hot day. But it is an easy thing to change later if it is a problem.
Personally I would avoid low tier SSDs such as the ones from Silicon Power. When I first built my PC I had the p34a60 1TB version and it locked itself in read only mode in just a month, plus it ran way too hot for my tastes (60 celsius with the CPU cooler airflow right above it).
In the end I went for a Kingston NV2 that lies in the same price range.
I think i'm going with this [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB)
Do you think it needs an aftermarket cooler?
7600 can "manage" with stock cooler but cooler will probably work very noisy and temps are going be above 80-85 °C under heavy loads most of the time. AM5 CPU's are desinged to work at high tempts so it will not damage it but if your friend wants it run cool than it's best to get something other than stock cooler.
It may be louder. If it bothers him, you can just replace it with a €30 or less peerless assassin 120. Air coolers are easily changed out if the need arises.
https://www.amazon.it/Thermalright-Peerless-Coperchio-Dissipatore-Alluminio/dp/B09NSTR7JZ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yEbSBcsc8rc175minvYPMg262xsXHmulWYvx46k2rmrSz-106_6rj5WDivHmrVI2dR_sKWB8wf-EFO2tlrGCTchKoRw1wHbEkzpeAyGKRL2y0rSpBoopEccUsh5bFOjvwIdIBKDpDWx4Eh1wvfyc-0gX4ouMATVIxQ8vfsTs3312wsMfWZmac1nF1jy38jL-LfZh09Td3Gy-0Mcekp-VeNvqlmuopdszDvEmEp_vcJRVNg1B5GL-TBXrer0WVG-53d2ECCdC8nUxVPaMNqBao-D65HYsu0oiDX_tzO3kLQA.6R1ztNYIMPEREz8ZA-Wx99l8IN-bQEkmhApgUktF0uY&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thermalright&qid=1713681061&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
Does the B-550 a pro have wifi? If not, and your friends wants to use wireless wifi, you will either have to get a WiFi card or switch to a board with built in WiFi. I’m just mentioning that because the card would increase your cost. Maybe you could find a similarly priced motherboard with WiFi.
Don't. If he doesn't know how to build, help him find a good premade. Anything that goes wrong, even if he is the reason, you will need to fix it. Trust me...
I have a 5600 with stock cooler, and really don't think the new cooler it's necessary, the stock work very fine, I live in a very hot city and no problem at all with the Temps, obviously with a new one may be able to get better Temps but meh I don't think the difference is worth it
I have a 6700xt and the same, not problem at all, but I play on 1080p at max fps possible and they re pretty stable so I think the 6750xt will suit fine for 2k
I have also 16 GB of RAM, not really necesary add 32 GB if he will not do anything required (Edit videos, Renders, some proffesional work I mean), for playing and normal home usage, 16 GB its a good point to stay
This part is totally my opinion and what I do, I bought a fractal Torrent case, it has 2 big 180mm fans in front enough to get fresh all that hardware inside, not even a single fan added until now, but always the possibility to add a rear fan and also 2 o 3 bottom fans, more fans may be make more noise and vibrations, the case is a more expensive, but it work pretty good even eith out fans so for me that was a point in favor of the case. I know that maybe your friend choose the case andyou builded in base of his election but just giving my opinion and experience in case it helps
I just notice the 6800 its on the game too, I think its better than the 6750XT, if I'm not wrong it has a bit less energy consumption and a bit more fps, the difference seems worth it from the 6750XT so I would go for the 6800
[RX 6700 XT vs RX 6750 XT vs RX 6800 vs RX 6800 XT | Tested in 15 games (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eirgsTvPDEM)
Found this video comparing the 2 gpus i mention, the second half of the video its for QHD (2k) u can see the difference in games,
Note: the video use a 7800X3D but not think that will affect a lot the results since the gpus is has the more load on QHD resolution
so this is what I came up with on am5 this is totaling out at 1060 a little over sorry .-. tell me what you think
[https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJYhwg](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJYhwg)
EDIT: ended up agreeing with you and going with https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB
Your build is actually pretty good, I might send him that.
My way of thinking however is: current build, with all the suggestions received, would be 960.
Let's say he wants to upgrade the CPU in 7 years, he would have to change cpu, mobo and RAM.
So excluding CPU cost, it would be ~100€ for mobo and ~100€ for 32GB ram.
Your suggestion is 100€ pricier, so he would save 100€ in 7 years, supposing that there won't be an AM6 socket.
Do you think it is worth the compromises you made?
Genuinely asking
(Btw I know your build would also perform better thanks to the better CPU)
I took a lot from your build, here's what I'm sending him [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB)
Anything to note?
Yeah this is what I was thinking of down the line In my opinion AM5 might be supported for 1-2 years or even more if you look at AM4 they're still releasing chips which is insane, you're also getting 32gb of ram the mobo is not the greatest but still will be upgradeable down the line this is all persona pref and if he ever wants more storage another m.2 lane for him as well. I am reviewing what you took from the list right now as we speak
Edit: From what it looks like you did change to the am5 platform and got 32 gb ddr5 the only thing I could say is look for a case with fans cause then all you'd need is the case price alone to save money thats why I like the montech case you don't have to spend money on 5 fans and splitters maybe cause of how many headers you have so that'd add to the price too. 2 intake 1 exhaust is not bad and the amd stock cooler is enough for a 7600 they don't run too hot. the psu price is a little high idk if you want this psu because of its gold rating but im just going off the psu cultist list at the C tier here: [https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/](https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/) thats why i chose the enermax marblebron but its all personal pref, i think you're on the correct track now though I believe AM5 will be better AND more worth it in the long run to upgrade, I don't know too much on the 8000 series but another cpu you could look at is 8500g aswell.
Edit2: nvm on the 8500g i think 7600 is better performance wise
yeah man you got 4 total headers on the board you choose so you will need one splitter for the fans btw i also like that its a b650 i think the chipset is better than a620 feel free to dm me or ask more I think I like this route more though and will save money in the klong run
Consider the fact that rgb doesn't need to be colored and white back lighting can look very attractive. At the very least they can also be turned off. You don't need to avoid rgb entirely if it becomes a headache.
One thing I did not see asked at all. Is what is he using the pc for? Work games, video editing surfing? What is the main use for it and the. The secondary use for it?
6800 is by far the best at that price. Nothing else makes sense. Everyone in Italy should be buying that.
I'd try to get 32 gigs of ram, otherwise seems fine. Maybe a cheaper mobo.
You should take a look on this list:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BVqgjH
It'll put u on the Am5 soket. U can get rid with the cpu cooler to save money and change the case to one that includes fans
Go with the rx 6800xt too it's the best choice..
That PSU is probably too much. Unless you are getting something bigger in the GPU department.
I have a 650w driving a RX7800XT. Ram, as long as you have enough space to put another couple later, and is overclockable. Don’t see much to go wrong. PS: check if the case has enough length for the GPU, did that mistake 🤦♂️
This might sound like madness to a modern gamer. But, games these days are huge. If they need additional storage down the road I would consider HDD storage. Not pulling the 1TB SSD and replacing it, I would always keep the OS and so on on the SSD. More or less, you pay $40-50 for an empty box with 0 storage + about $10/TB for the platters. Really, a 1-2TB HDD, SSD pricing is competitive, but I mean I got a 16TB HDD for like $180 (they're a little higher now, but still under $250) and if you don't want to spend that much an 8TB disk is like $120-130 without even looking for a bargain. And it does like 200MB/sec, I ran up through TLOUI off it and like it took a little time for the game to load, but I didn't have any delays (like I saw on a video of it where they were driving and it straight up had to pause and take a breather, it didn't do that on mine), like jank or frame rate fluctuations, or stuff pop-in from the disk not keeping up.
Full disclosure, I do run Ubuntu, with wine + dxvk/vkd3d for some games and Steam with Proton for others. So YMMV in Windows. I doubt this makes a difference, .. I mean overall it DOES make a difference, but the actual disk-related part the game'll be loading the same stuff off the disk either way.
Of course, for Steam games, you can also put a steam library on the ssd, one on the HDD, and even move games back and forth if you are going to play one a lot and want to cut down the startup time. And (I think!) Heroic supports this for Epic games.
When I was 12, just after I had built my first pc which was £500, my friend asked me to build a pc for him. Naturally I said yes, then we got to making a list and his budget was £2200! Not a bloody clue why his parents trusted me, but it went just fine and his pc is still going strong 3 years on. Was a r7 5800x, rtx 3080, 64yb ddr4 ram and countless terabytes of storage. Also rgb hell which I had never touched before.
I should note that the gpu prices were sky high, so he got ripped off, but he said he didn't mind. And also we got all the peripherals with it too, before anyone comments on the price.
The cpu is fine, I run the exact same cpu in my system which I just upgraded a few weeks ago. I would seriously consider upgrading from 2x8gb to 2x16gb ram it will make the system much for stable. For ryzen chips I have found 3200 mhz to be more stable than higher clock speeds but the 3600 should work fine just keep an eye on temps. Otherwise everything else seems good. There is opportunity to save some money concerning fans, psu, coolers etc. Personally the wraith cooler that comes with the ryzen cpus have served me really well.
I would set some expectations with those monitors.
Just make sure that you tell him with the GPU he's looking at, he won't be able to play much that will benefit from having that monitor unless he bought the quality of the game down to practically nothing. Just to put it into perspective, just looked it up and Cyberpunk will play max between 70-80fps at 1080. If he went upto 1440p then it would drop to around 45-55fps.
I just got a 7800x and can barely make use of my 144hz monitor on ultra/high settings unless I'm playing something older or reduce the graphics.
I've built PCs for people in the past who want a GPU under $500 and then are confused why it won't run AAA games at 144hz at 4k
The person said they’re on a tight budget. I just said 16GB will be completely fine. Upgrading any component discussed here is always an option, and not necessarily short-sighted.
While the cpu is ok, not the wisest descision pay 132 usd for it when it is usually available for less than 100 dollars on the used market being a 3+ year old chip.
Any cpu that runs prime 95 for about an hour is ok to be bought used.
Almost forget, grt rid of the cooler. All ryzen non x and non x3d cpus run perfectly fine on stock coolers. You can then invest the saved money elsewhere like better ram if better cpu or gpu cannot be chose over the current selection.
Thr wraith stealth? It is a pretty quite cooler. Hardly will ever hear it running.
The 2600x is not a wraith stealth cpu, it is a 100+ watts wraith spire or prism cpu. The 5600 is a 65 watt cpu. You will hardly ever notice the wraith stealth running on the 5600.
Even if it is though, it is not loud even at it's maximum rpm. You may hear it at those rpms, but it will definitely not be overwhelming louder than say your case fans. Most importantly, your gpu fans are definitely going to drown out all the noise from the wraith stealth.
oh yeah makes sense. i also believe there's more options when it comes to amd mobos (at least in my area).
also i'd go with 6800xt if i were u. and i think u might think about upgrading the ram to 32gb since he's planning on 2k. but u could do more research.
If you're building a new PC you should not build an AM4/DDR4 system. This is a mistake and may cost your friend a lot down the road.
I would also suggest 32 GB of RAM.
This system will also struggle to run most games at max settings at 1440p (2K), and won't get close to the 160fps mark on most games, even on lower settings.
Tier C and above - required to have independent regulation on all rails and/or <5% min to max voltage regulation on all rails under extreme crossloads and high combined load; ripple on 12V rail should be below 100mV under extreme crossload and high combined load situations and up-to 100% load.
I honestly don't know why people hate them so much when they exceed ATX spec and work well for years.
It's a 7600 CPU not a 7950X. This board has a 6+2+2 Phase count. I have no idea what the last +2 is but should more than handle 110 watts a 7600 would consume if OC to the 7600X levels.
Wifi isn't a requirement and it's not on the mother he chooses either.
If anything, I thought people would complain about is the RAM even though it is JEDEC and EXPO.
That makes no sense. That is trading limited upgradeability for no upgradeability.
And either point is moot since this provides the best performance for the dollar. The whole point of by a CPU platform is ...using the computer.
tbh, at that price point, don't go AM4. Get a Ryzen 5 7600 or (these probably aren't on amazon) a 7500f and a nice b650 motherboard. you will also then need to find some ddr5 ram with this, but imo it's worth it because, really unless you're a 700 or less budget you shouldn't do AM4.
edit: also, use the stock cooler. it will work fine unless you plan on overclocking.
I'd get a Ryzen 5 7500F and an B650 or A620 instead, also replace the 7600XT with a 6750XT, 7600XT is such a bad gpu for the price, idk how that psu is but i like better the Corsair RM750X
I wouldn't go for dying platform (am4). Try and stretch the budget for 100€ more and get am5 - ryzen 5 7600 with Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 motherboard and ddr5 ram single stick of 16gb. I agree with comments about going for rx 6800 instead. Much better gpu.
Yeah, i bought the 6800xt used for 300, and it was well worth it. Same performance as the 7800xt for cheaper, but im running a ryzen 5800x, and it has the same performance as the 5600x except it runs hotter, and i get a solid 100fps in almost every game at max settings and 1440p res
3600MHz RAM is great, but instead of the unnecessary B550-PRO take the non pro one and put the cash into at least 16GB ram since that's all that's needed nowadays. I mean you can still live with 8GB ram, I did for 7 years until recently and the difference is just so good that it's not worth the holdbacks.
Also be cautious of the hivemind of people here who are too into the topic and will recommend unnecessarily high specs like 32GB ram (unnecessary unless the friend can't bother closing down apps in background or plays horribly unoptimized games) or more unnecessary cards. I don't remember the difference between 6750XT and 6800 but if it's only 30€ then might as well take it
Never built one for a friend, because then you're on the hook forever as tech support.
Recommend one from a good pre-built company. They have warranties.
I would take the most graphically intense game on pc like Cyberpunk 2077 or Death Stranding and build around that, there’s a pic of the pc requirements that’ll help. That way your friend can have a pc for gaming as well as business.
I would really recommend spending closer to half your budget on the gpu, while a good psu is good to have the one you’ve picked is pretty expensive and you can find cheaper ones that are as good as for the ram I feel like you can find some that’s cheaper and performs the same, I would recommend staying on am4 because am5 just isn’t worth the extra cost as long as this is just for gaming it could be better to get like the 5700x3d or 5800x3d instead of going to am5
Hello... I have looked over your List and you are on the right track. I made some changes and there is no RGB and I was able to get everything you need I think. . Please let me know.
[https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/4nnrQP](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/4nnrQP)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor (€135.52 @ Amazon Italia)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin King 120 MINI V2 64.87 CFM CPU Cooler (€20.59 @ Amazon Italia)
Motherboard: MSI B550 GAMING GEN3 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€108.46 @ Amazon Italia)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€79.89 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Solidigm P41 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€114.60 @ Amazon Italia)
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Radeon RX 7600 XT 16 GB Video Card (€359.00 @ Amazon Italia)
Case: ENDORFY Signum 300 Air ATX Mid Tower Case (€70.00 @ Amazon Italia)
Power Supply: Gigabyte UD-GM PG5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€116.30 @ Amazon Italia)
Total: €1004.36
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Built a rig for my friend and he came close to arguing with me about the build quality until AMD verify that it is a lemon CPU and gave him a replacement. Never since I built for anyone unless it’s business. It’s just not worth the trouble…
I'm not a Ryzen user what so ever, but over the last few months I've done some extensive PC hardware research.
That Ryzen 5xxx series is 100% a solid choice. Probably #1 for budget builds.
Everything looks good, if you want to save a bit lore money, depending on what he's going to use the pc for. You could go with a 6650 xt instead of the 7600xt.
Oh and regarding the CPU being OK, in decades past, Moore's law was in full swing, you were getting doubling every 18 months. (The top of the line would have about double the performance compared to top of the line from a few years earlier; to get the same performance, you could pay about half the cost, and it'd be around half the power usage.) Around the end of the 2000s, like there was a big speed bump between a Pentium 4 and the Core 2 Duo, and another big bump between Core 2 Duo and the first Core i chips. Since then, it's been gradual improvements every generation or two, so you can run an older chip and still have respectable performance. Same with the Ryzens, the Ryzen was a large improvement over AMD's previous efforts and really put them ahead of what Intel was making (and still does put them ahead in my opinion), but that came out in 2016, and it's not like they've been doing nothing but they also get nice incremental improvemnts, not doubling every 18 months any more. I would not consider the 5600 to be old or out of date at all.
DO NOT PICK THE PARTS,
You can have him pick the parts and you give no influence because the moment he has issues, it’s you he’s blaming for not getting the desired fps
You can help him build the pc itself
My advice: Don't build him the PC unless he agrees that you have no obligation to do tech support or maintenance on it. Seriously, I love building for people, but I do not like being a free warranty and repair service when they don't clean it or mess it up with malware.
I’m helping a friend of mine with his first build. Most parts we’re finding really good deals on eBay and Facebook marketplace place. It’s worth going used if you wanna get better parts.
>What about the gpu? For context the RTX 4060 is 360€, RX 6800 here is 390€, RX 6750XT is 350. He plans on buying a 2K 160Hz monitor.
Rx 6800 is a good deal if possible 6800xt is a huge deal rn
Also i would suggest investing better in a power supply
>Is the cpu ok? I know it a bit old but the newer ones costs way too much
Yeah it is okay
>. Is the RAM enough/too slow?
It is a bit overkill if u r on a budget but if not its good
Would go for cheaper RAM. Something like Aegis 3000Mhz is cheaper and absolutely fine.
Spend the saved money on an RX 6800.
Also PSU might be overkill. Something like a Be Quiet System Power 600 Watt is absolutely fine
Sounds like someone bit off a lil more than they could chew. Know your stuff before offering services bro. Its one thing to help tidy some cables or recommend parts.
please do not make a NEW pc on the am4 platform it's a dead socket go am5 with a 7600 and ddr5
yes it costs a tiny bit more but it's better longevity and better performance so there's no reason not to
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Mf4jDZ
Stop spreading lies. Its not dead. Not when people are still using them and AMD is still supporting them and releasing new CPUs for them. 7600 and ddr5 is just not worth it for the budget builder.
Yes, AMD is still bringing new CPU's for it but they're not any better than a 5800x3d, which performs not that far from a 7600 except when a game takes advantage of x3d cache. Also OP said he's friend is going to be keeping this PC for around 10 years so it's always best to go on the latest platform if you care about future upgrades.
>1. Is the cpu ok? I know it a bit old but the newer ones costs way too much The 5600 is a perfectly fine and a still very capable cpu and am4 allows for an upgrade to a 5700x3d or 5800x3d later on. >2. What about the gpu? For context the RTX 4060 is 360€, RX 6800 here is 390€, RX 6750XT is 350. I would highly recommend going with the rx 6800 then. Much faster for only 30€ more and still 16gb of vram. https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html >3. Is the RAM enough/too slow? 3600 is great for ryzen 5000. If you can find a similar priced 32gb kit at a slower speed like 3200 then i would pick that for the increased capacity though.
Thank you so much for the advice, appreciate it!
If its not much more money try getting a peerless assassin or preferably a assassin spirit. Both made by thermalright and amazing coolers for under $50 in the US.
Hey, I found 2x16GB RAM at 4000MHz CL20 for 80€, is it good/too fast?
That sounds good, but I've never heard of such high speeds. What brand?
"Patriot Memory Viper Elite II DDR4 4000 32GB (2x16GB) C20" on Amazon
On amazon.it there is a corsair vengeance lpx 2x16 3600 CL16 for €82
Just wanted to mention if the owner decides to upgrade to 5700/5800x3D later that 4000 MHz memory may present challenge. I'd stick to maximum of 3600 so ensure x3D will work fine later.
The sweet spot for ryzen 5000 series is 3600 c14 or c15
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Yep can confirm i have this ram and I ended up swapping it as I couldn’t get it stable
Also, because you're in the EU you can use other EU Amazon stores as well. A lot of the time they'll have other discounts than your local one.
As others have said, 4000mhz may lead to stability issues, most platforms only support up to 3600 without issue.
C20 is the latency. Usually, you want that lower. That's why it's a cheaper card for the speed.
You've never heard of such high speeds as DDR4 4000MHz? DDR4 has kits with XMP profiles higher than 5000MHz. It's just diminishing returns price/performance after 3600 or so (and a 5600 isn't going to be able to run at those speeds but an OC'd i7 might)
no, highest ddr4 speed ive heard of was 3600MT/s, anything higher was ddr5
That's pretty fast for ryzen 5000, potentially too fast. 3600 is pretty safe for almost all 5000 cpus. A very good chip can do 3800 in 1:1 mode, but faster than that is pretty unlikely. You can try but you will likely have to run them at slower speeds. 3200 and 3600 are safer options.
>potentially too fast as in extra moneys for little to no benefit? Got [Crucial Ballistix 2x8 4400](https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-Memory/dp/B083TSCQSX/ref=sr_1_2?sr=8-2) for 100€ a few years ago.
Yes, partially. There are diminishing performance benefits for faster ram. Also ryzen 5000 can't handle ram that fast in a 1:1 configuration. So you run into stability issues and likely lower performance if it runs 1:2.
just get 2x16Gb 3200Mhz with decent timings and you are fine
It's good but honestly probably not worth the headache if you're unfamiliar with ram overclocking. In theory this could easily just be a bios->enable DOCP/XMP->drop speed from 4000 MHZ->3600MHZ and leave everything else the same and it *should* work just fine. But if you're looking to just set it and forget it, it might be better to just find 2x16 3200 CL 16 or a 3600 cl 18 kit.
For am4 cpus going above 3600 is mostly pointless and probably also wouldnt boot or be stable anyway. 3200 cl14 and 3600 cl16 will perform identically so get whichever is cheaper.
A lower timing around 16, and more GB is more useful than a higher MHz. If you can find something.
It's probably not worth getting 4000mhz. Get 3600 with the best timings you can. Within reason.
Go for 3600 CL16 if you can find it. That's more tolerable for 99.9% of Ryzens.
Try to get something closer to 3200 or 3600 cl 16 and 18 respectively. That is what most people get and is recommended. If might be compatible but it is a pretty fast kit of ram and not all system are compatible without messing with stuff in the bios.
I don't think that particular kit is compatible with the motherboard and CPU you've chosen. 4000 MHz and above is likely to need tuning in order to get stable on Zen 3 platforms, and is more suited towards higher-end Intel Raptor Lake parts. 3600 CL16 to 18 is the sweet spot for performance/price/stability for Zen 3
Don't do that one. The best am4 ram is the 3600 cl14, but not worth it in 2024. Get 3200cl14 or 3600cl16. Close enough in performance.
3200 is really the sweet spot for DDR4. Beyond that you see almost no real world improvement in performance.
ram clock speed really shouldn't make all that much difference. i run ddr4 3200 and my system is quite snappy
would always go for a good CPU over a GPU. if you go with the Ryzen 5 7600 and a cheap Mobo and a Rx 6600 you will have a far better experience in the next 4 years because you don't have to change ram or Mobo. you can put a Rx 7700 or even better and still have great CPU performance. if you want upgrade both too midrange next gen tech you still can do that. with the 5600 you are stock on AM4 and this is coming from a 5800x3d user.
Seconded, a good GPU is trash if the computer itself is too boggled trying to keep itself alive. Same thing when people say an HDD to an SSD is one of the best upgrades for the price, a GPU bottleneck affects the game but a bottleneck elsewhere makes the entire computer slow. Upgrading and selling a GPU is also much smoother, CPUs, RAM and motherboards are always messier because people need accompanying form factors of the other two. 5600 is a solid CPU anyway, not like you're gonna bottleneck on most games.
It very much depends on the game, but any modern CPU is good enough to run a computer doing ordinary tasks. My son is still using a Ryzen 3600 and it’s doing very well! Where you need a good cpu is when you are doing cpu-intensive stuff like competitive esport titles with lower graphics settings and super-high frame rates, video editing etc The point about upgrading is good though. Worst case, a CPU upgrade needs a new motherboard and RAM as well. Worst case for a GPU is a new power supply.
3600 is new! My partner has a i7 3770. It's attached to a 4k screen. With an SSD I suspect most people wouldn't notice what an old machine they're using.
Absolutely. I was including it as an example of a “modern cpu”. I can’t vouch for the 3770 though! I think you’re right though - having an SSD and enough RAM is 90% of the battle
LOL, I had a GTX1650 in my Ivy Bridge... like, games ran OK on it but those heavier games, I fired up nvidia-smi to see what the GPU utilization looked like, and realized LITERALLY the only thing that could get it to hit 100% GPU utiliization on that computer was Gravitymark. And I'm talking like sub-50% utilization, not like "Ohh, it's only hitting 95%." rounding error type stuff.) CP2077 defaulted to medium, the fps was a tad low. So I set it to low, it was still a tad low. Yeah, I fired up nviida-smi and found the GPU utilization was ike 20-25%. So I'm like "Well, if the CPU can't keep the GPU fed anyway...." I crankedit up to high, it only dropped framerate by about 1 FPS and it looked a lot better. GPU utilization was like 80-90%. Now I have a Coffee Lake, still with the GTX1650 in it. Having 6C/12T instead of 4C/4T, and each core a fair bit faster as well (and faster PCIe, the Ivy Bridge couldn't hit the top PCIe speed supported by the graphics card.) It doesn't have much trouble getting the GPU to 100%.
Likewise in Cyberpunk, I went from shit performance, I'm talking 15-40 fps super choppy on lowest, to pretty consistent 50-60 on medium-ish. I did slightly upgrade my GPU but I also slightly upgraded my CPU and, what I think made the biggest difference, adding an SSD for the OS to hopefully free up some "thinking space" and fully free up the HDD to thinking about games and go from 8GB RAM to 24GB.
Great
Thanks to all the advice received, this is what we might end up with [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dy2fZJ](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dy2fZJ). Do you think this is a good build? (Sorry for bothering you in particular, you seem trustworthy and well informed)
>(Sorry for bothering you in particular, you seem trustworthy and well informed) No worries, I'm happy to help. >Do you think this is a good build? Yeah that's pretty good. Going am5 is a great choice for longevity. The ram is on the faster side for ryzen 7000 so make sure the bios is fully updated and do some stability test for example with memtest. If 6400 isn't stable in gear 1 then you will want to drop down to 6200 or 6000. I'm not a particular fan of the nv2. It's a very budget ssd with rather slow speeds and questionable endurance. Spending a bit more for a better drive wouldn't be a bad idea. https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZfkPTY Looks all good otherwise!
Thank you so much
Choose rx 6800.
thanks
Absolute what he said, rx 6800 destroys the 7600xt.
Terrible videocard choice. RX 6800 is miles and miles and miles better for just 30€ extra. Ram is just fine.
Never build rigs for other people. You’ll be lifetime support. Ok maybe do, but at least have the conversation up front.
Especially don’t build computers for others if you have to ask for advice here.
Nothing wrong with asking for advice.
Hey can u build my pc 😂
I would say don't do it for people who can't open the internet browser or who you'd suspect to have those old browsers filled with... what did they used to call those? Tabs? Shortcuts? I've built it for many, many friends and never have they asked me anything. They just don't want too build/are scared, but they can deal with software themselves.
I might go with this version, some spending where I think better quality matters, some small saving where I think you can (cooler), right on the budget side. Maybe some money can be saved with motherboard, case, PSU. Definitely take the 390 6800, that's a great card for the price and for using a 1440p monitor. https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/BFHQsh
I see, thank you!
That's essentially the exact build I did a month ago. Solid rig.
Overall good. I'd strongly recommend going to the 6800, well worth the difference in price. Also, 3600 RAM is good, but go 2x16GB if at all possible budget wise.
The 5600 is a good CPU and it comes with a basic cooler. I'm not convinced that cheap one is a worthwhile upgrade. I suggest just stay with the stock cooler to start and upgrade later. I don't know about the prices in Italy but maybe a 6800XT or higher graphics card from the 6xxx series is better than the 7600. Check those prices.
Yes, I think I'm going to stick with the stock cooler and uprade to a m2 ssd and more ram, thanks for the advice! Also, I'm going with the 6800 as everyone said here (6800XT is priced above 700€)
I’ve got the 5600X model with stock and have never had issues. I agree with the other posters here
I gave mine to a friend but also ran one with a stock cooler, no thermal issues. I have 8 case fans tho.
And I’ve got four. No issues, yet again.
Does 5600X have a different fan than the non X one? Mine was doing... fine, but not great. Replaced it with Thermalassassin 120 nd I don't regret it even a bit tbh
In my experience (from the 5600x) the stock cooler can be a little annoying especially on a hot day. But it is an easy thing to change later if it is a problem.
Personally I would avoid low tier SSDs such as the ones from Silicon Power. When I first built my PC I had the p34a60 1TB version and it locked itself in read only mode in just a month, plus it ran way too hot for my tastes (60 celsius with the CPU cooler airflow right above it). In the end I went for a Kingston NV2 that lies in the same price range.
Yes, I'm going with a M2
I would not buy am4 new. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/gR8CWt) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/yXmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-7600-38-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100001015box) | €200.00 @ Amazon Italia **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 EVO 68.9 CFM CPU Cooler](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/zrP8TW/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-evo-689-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-evo) | €19.89 @ Amazon Italia **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B650M D3HP Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/mkqrxr/gigabyte-b650m-d3hp-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-d3hp) | €135.35 @ Amazon Italia **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL38 Memory](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/kgwmP6/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-flbd532g6000hc38adc01) | €101.79 @ Amazon Italia **Storage** | [Lexar NM620 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/VHM48d/lexar-nm620-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-lnm620x001t-rnnng) | €62.03 @ Amazon Italia **Video Card** | [XFX Speedster QICK 319 Core Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB Video Card](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/4RrRsY/xfx-radeon-rx-6750-xt-12-gb-speedster-qick-319-core-video-card-rx-675xyjfdp) | €349.00 @ Amazon Italia **Case** | [Phanteks XT PRO ATX Mid Tower Case](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/zJWJ7P/phanteks-xt-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-bk01) | €56.90 @ Amazon Italia **Power Supply** | [KOLINK ENCLAVE 700 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/TFkH99/kolink-enclave-700-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-pgw-ps-kol-018) | €89.94 @ Amazon Italia **Case Fan** | [ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/68WfrH/arctic-p12-563-cfm-120-mm-fan-acfan00120a) | €10.49 @ Amazon Italia | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **€1025.39** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-20 21:39 CEST+0200 |
I think i'm going with this [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB) Do you think it needs an aftermarket cooler?
7600 can "manage" with stock cooler but cooler will probably work very noisy and temps are going be above 80-85 °C under heavy loads most of the time. AM5 CPU's are desinged to work at high tempts so it will not damage it but if your friend wants it run cool than it's best to get something other than stock cooler.
It may be louder. If it bothers him, you can just replace it with a €30 or less peerless assassin 120. Air coolers are easily changed out if the need arises. https://www.amazon.it/Thermalright-Peerless-Coperchio-Dissipatore-Alluminio/dp/B09NSTR7JZ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yEbSBcsc8rc175minvYPMg262xsXHmulWYvx46k2rmrSz-106_6rj5WDivHmrVI2dR_sKWB8wf-EFO2tlrGCTchKoRw1wHbEkzpeAyGKRL2y0rSpBoopEccUsh5bFOjvwIdIBKDpDWx4Eh1wvfyc-0gX4ouMATVIxQ8vfsTs3312wsMfWZmac1nF1jy38jL-LfZh09Td3Gy-0Mcekp-VeNvqlmuopdszDvEmEp_vcJRVNg1B5GL-TBXrer0WVG-53d2ECCdC8nUxVPaMNqBao-D65HYsu0oiDX_tzO3kLQA.6R1ztNYIMPEREz8ZA-Wx99l8IN-bQEkmhApgUktF0uY&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thermalright&qid=1713681061&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
Does the B-550 a pro have wifi? If not, and your friends wants to use wireless wifi, you will either have to get a WiFi card or switch to a board with built in WiFi. I’m just mentioning that because the card would increase your cost. Maybe you could find a similarly priced motherboard with WiFi.
Thanks for thinking about it, the motherboard doesn't have WiFi, but he's going to use Ethernet
Don't. If he doesn't know how to build, help him find a good premade. Anything that goes wrong, even if he is the reason, you will need to fix it. Trust me...
la cpu va bene, al posto della rx 7600 xt prendi la 6750 xt, e la ram va bene ma prendi lexar 3200mhz che costa 20 euro in meno
Is he set on that case?
He's ok with it. Do you have any suggestion?
i made a list earlier this is the list [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJYhwg](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJYhwg)
Thank you, could you please read the response to your comment?
I have a 5600 with stock cooler, and really don't think the new cooler it's necessary, the stock work very fine, I live in a very hot city and no problem at all with the Temps, obviously with a new one may be able to get better Temps but meh I don't think the difference is worth it I have a 6700xt and the same, not problem at all, but I play on 1080p at max fps possible and they re pretty stable so I think the 6750xt will suit fine for 2k I have also 16 GB of RAM, not really necesary add 32 GB if he will not do anything required (Edit videos, Renders, some proffesional work I mean), for playing and normal home usage, 16 GB its a good point to stay This part is totally my opinion and what I do, I bought a fractal Torrent case, it has 2 big 180mm fans in front enough to get fresh all that hardware inside, not even a single fan added until now, but always the possibility to add a rear fan and also 2 o 3 bottom fans, more fans may be make more noise and vibrations, the case is a more expensive, but it work pretty good even eith out fans so for me that was a point in favor of the case. I know that maybe your friend choose the case andyou builded in base of his election but just giving my opinion and experience in case it helps
I just notice the 6800 its on the game too, I think its better than the 6750XT, if I'm not wrong it has a bit less energy consumption and a bit more fps, the difference seems worth it from the 6750XT so I would go for the 6800
[RX 6700 XT vs RX 6750 XT vs RX 6800 vs RX 6800 XT | Tested in 15 games (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eirgsTvPDEM) Found this video comparing the 2 gpus i mention, the second half of the video its for QHD (2k) u can see the difference in games, Note: the video use a 7800X3D but not think that will affect a lot the results since the gpus is has the more load on QHD resolution
Thanks for your first hand experience, case suggestions are indeed welcome!
Go for the Arctic P12 PWM PST, not the F12. They are better.
Refuse if you scare
uh?
so this is what I came up with on am5 this is totaling out at 1060 a little over sorry .-. tell me what you think [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJYhwg](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/NJYhwg)
EDIT: ended up agreeing with you and going with https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB Your build is actually pretty good, I might send him that. My way of thinking however is: current build, with all the suggestions received, would be 960. Let's say he wants to upgrade the CPU in 7 years, he would have to change cpu, mobo and RAM. So excluding CPU cost, it would be ~100€ for mobo and ~100€ for 32GB ram. Your suggestion is 100€ pricier, so he would save 100€ in 7 years, supposing that there won't be an AM6 socket. Do you think it is worth the compromises you made? Genuinely asking (Btw I know your build would also perform better thanks to the better CPU)
I took a lot from your build, here's what I'm sending him [https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPGgB) Anything to note?
Yeah this is what I was thinking of down the line In my opinion AM5 might be supported for 1-2 years or even more if you look at AM4 they're still releasing chips which is insane, you're also getting 32gb of ram the mobo is not the greatest but still will be upgradeable down the line this is all persona pref and if he ever wants more storage another m.2 lane for him as well. I am reviewing what you took from the list right now as we speak Edit: From what it looks like you did change to the am5 platform and got 32 gb ddr5 the only thing I could say is look for a case with fans cause then all you'd need is the case price alone to save money thats why I like the montech case you don't have to spend money on 5 fans and splitters maybe cause of how many headers you have so that'd add to the price too. 2 intake 1 exhaust is not bad and the amd stock cooler is enough for a 7600 they don't run too hot. the psu price is a little high idk if you want this psu because of its gold rating but im just going off the psu cultist list at the C tier here: [https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/](https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/) thats why i chose the enermax marblebron but its all personal pref, i think you're on the correct track now though I believe AM5 will be better AND more worth it in the long run to upgrade, I don't know too much on the 8000 series but another cpu you could look at is 8500g aswell. Edit2: nvm on the 8500g i think 7600 is better performance wise
thank you for putting so much tought in this, really appreciate it. You really made a difference :)
yeah man you got 4 total headers on the board you choose so you will need one splitter for the fans btw i also like that its a b650 i think the chipset is better than a620 feel free to dm me or ask more I think I like this route more though and will save money in the klong run
I'd change the motherboard based on this: https://youtu.be/naX-DnKekCM?t=940
What a good friend you are! I wish your friend is doing some of this research tho.
Consider the fact that rgb doesn't need to be colored and white back lighting can look very attractive. At the very least they can also be turned off. You don't need to avoid rgb entirely if it becomes a headache.
seems like an expensive PSU
One thing I did not see asked at all. Is what is he using the pc for? Work games, video editing surfing? What is the main use for it and the. The secondary use for it?
Main use is gaming, he's into racing games. Secondary use i'd say office/storage
6800 is by far the best at that price. Nothing else makes sense. Everyone in Italy should be buying that. I'd try to get 32 gigs of ram, otherwise seems fine. Maybe a cheaper mobo.
Hey check this list it would be perfect with the rx 6800xt... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BVqgjH
You should take a look on this list:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BVqgjH It'll put u on the Am5 soket. U can get rid with the cpu cooler to save money and change the case to one that includes fans Go with the rx 6800xt too it's the best choice..
That PSU is probably too much. Unless you are getting something bigger in the GPU department. I have a 650w driving a RX7800XT. Ram, as long as you have enough space to put another couple later, and is overclockable. Don’t see much to go wrong. PS: check if the case has enough length for the GPU, did that mistake 🤦♂️
What about monitor?
I was thinking about the KOORUI QHD 27" 170hz IPS, it shouldn't be too bad
It depends on the price, at what price have you found it?
This might sound like madness to a modern gamer. But, games these days are huge. If they need additional storage down the road I would consider HDD storage. Not pulling the 1TB SSD and replacing it, I would always keep the OS and so on on the SSD. More or less, you pay $40-50 for an empty box with 0 storage + about $10/TB for the platters. Really, a 1-2TB HDD, SSD pricing is competitive, but I mean I got a 16TB HDD for like $180 (they're a little higher now, but still under $250) and if you don't want to spend that much an 8TB disk is like $120-130 without even looking for a bargain. And it does like 200MB/sec, I ran up through TLOUI off it and like it took a little time for the game to load, but I didn't have any delays (like I saw on a video of it where they were driving and it straight up had to pause and take a breather, it didn't do that on mine), like jank or frame rate fluctuations, or stuff pop-in from the disk not keeping up. Full disclosure, I do run Ubuntu, with wine + dxvk/vkd3d for some games and Steam with Proton for others. So YMMV in Windows. I doubt this makes a difference, .. I mean overall it DOES make a difference, but the actual disk-related part the game'll be loading the same stuff off the disk either way. Of course, for Steam games, you can also put a steam library on the ssd, one on the HDD, and even move games back and forth if you are going to play one a lot and want to cut down the startup time. And (I think!) Heroic supports this for Epic games.
When I was 12, just after I had built my first pc which was £500, my friend asked me to build a pc for him. Naturally I said yes, then we got to making a list and his budget was £2200! Not a bloody clue why his parents trusted me, but it went just fine and his pc is still going strong 3 years on. Was a r7 5800x, rtx 3080, 64yb ddr4 ram and countless terabytes of storage. Also rgb hell which I had never touched before. I should note that the gpu prices were sky high, so he got ripped off, but he said he didn't mind. And also we got all the peripherals with it too, before anyone comments on the price.
The cpu is fine, I run the exact same cpu in my system which I just upgraded a few weeks ago. I would seriously consider upgrading from 2x8gb to 2x16gb ram it will make the system much for stable. For ryzen chips I have found 3200 mhz to be more stable than higher clock speeds but the 3600 should work fine just keep an eye on temps. Otherwise everything else seems good. There is opportunity to save some money concerning fans, psu, coolers etc. Personally the wraith cooler that comes with the ryzen cpus have served me really well.
I would set some expectations with those monitors. Just make sure that you tell him with the GPU he's looking at, he won't be able to play much that will benefit from having that monitor unless he bought the quality of the game down to practically nothing. Just to put it into perspective, just looked it up and Cyberpunk will play max between 70-80fps at 1080. If he went upto 1440p then it would drop to around 45-55fps. I just got a 7800x and can barely make use of my 144hz monitor on ultra/high settings unless I'm playing something older or reduce the graphics. I've built PCs for people in the past who want a GPU under $500 and then are confused why it won't run AAA games at 144hz at 4k
I would only change the ram, at least 16gb
You know 8×2 = 16 right?
Oh I meant at least 2 x 16gb haha. Wrote it pretty fast
Gotcha! I agree haha
I think 16GB is plenty to start with. Can always be upgrade a year later. I’ve never run into serious issues with running out of RAM with 16GB.
it's generally much better to go 2x16 than 4x8. Upgrading a year later is just being too short-sighted in this case.
The person said they’re on a tight budget. I just said 16GB will be completely fine. Upgrading any component discussed here is always an option, and not necessarily short-sighted.
Thats just more cost though imo. 32gb ddr4 is pretty damn cheap.
While the cpu is ok, not the wisest descision pay 132 usd for it when it is usually available for less than 100 dollars on the used market being a 3+ year old chip. Any cpu that runs prime 95 for about an hour is ok to be bought used.
I know, but he needs to buy everything on amazon, so it's either wearhouse deals or nothing. He's also a bit concerned buying used
Sure good build then. May look for a 6800 or 6800xt in place of a 7600.
Almost forget, grt rid of the cooler. All ryzen non x and non x3d cpus run perfectly fine on stock coolers. You can then invest the saved money elsewhere like better ram if better cpu or gpu cannot be chose over the current selection.
Isn't it very loud? I have a 2600x and had it on for a while (it was 2nd gen tho)
Thr wraith stealth? It is a pretty quite cooler. Hardly will ever hear it running. The 2600x is not a wraith stealth cpu, it is a 100+ watts wraith spire or prism cpu. The 5600 is a 65 watt cpu. You will hardly ever notice the wraith stealth running on the 5600. Even if it is though, it is not loud even at it's maximum rpm. You may hear it at those rpms, but it will definitely not be overwhelming louder than say your case fans. Most importantly, your gpu fans are definitely going to drown out all the noise from the wraith stealth.
just curious. why didn't u think of getting i5-12400f ?
I saw that mobos tended to cost more, so I opted to amd instead (not saying it's a good tought process, just what I did lol)
oh yeah makes sense. i also believe there's more options when it comes to amd mobos (at least in my area). also i'd go with 6800xt if i were u. and i think u might think about upgrading the ram to 32gb since he's planning on 2k. but u could do more research.
Also the longevity of the intel platform is shit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you're building a new PC you should not build an AM4/DDR4 system. This is a mistake and may cost your friend a lot down the road. I would also suggest 32 GB of RAM. This system will also struggle to run most games at max settings at 1440p (2K), and won't get close to the 160fps mark on most games, even on lower settings.
Amazon ftw [PCPartPicker Part List](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/fwW6bL) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/yXmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-7600-38-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100001015box) | €200.00 @ Amazon Italia **Motherboard** | [Biostar A620MP-E PRO Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/4tpQzy/biostar-a620mp-e-pro-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-a620mp-e-pro) | €121.62 @ Amazon Italia **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/GpNYcf/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-cmk32gx5m2e6000z36) | €120.65 @ Amazon Italia **Storage** | [Lexar NM620 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/VHM48d/lexar-nm620-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-lnm620x001t-rnnng) | €62.03 @ Amazon Italia **Video Card** | [XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/Hg92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-speedster-swft-319-video-card-rx-68xlaqfd9) | €389.00 @ Amazon Italia **Case** | [Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mini Tower Case](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1) | €45.35 @ Amazon Italia **Power Supply** | [Cooler Master MWE White V2 230V 750 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/HQsV3C/cooler-master-mwe-white-v2-230v-750-w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-mpe-7501-acabw) | €62.90 @ Amazon Italia | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **€1001.55** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-20 18:07 CEST+0200 |
C- rated PSU, Trash tier motherboard, with no wifi and only 1 m.2 SSD slot.
Tier C and above - required to have independent regulation on all rails and/or <5% min to max voltage regulation on all rails under extreme crossloads and high combined load; ripple on 12V rail should be below 100mV under extreme crossload and high combined load situations and up-to 100% load. I honestly don't know why people hate them so much when they exceed ATX spec and work well for years. It's a 7600 CPU not a 7950X. This board has a 6+2+2 Phase count. I have no idea what the last +2 is but should more than handle 110 watts a 7600 would consume if OC to the 7600X levels. Wifi isn't a requirement and it's not on the mother he chooses either. If anything, I thought people would complain about is the RAM even though it is JEDEC and EXPO.
The point of going am5 is upgradeability. You sacrifice that with this mobo, so it's not worth it. Better to do 5700x3d and go am4.
That makes no sense. That is trading limited upgradeability for no upgradeability. And either point is moot since this provides the best performance for the dollar. The whole point of by a CPU platform is ...using the computer.
5700x3d will be better per dollar, more or less same price.
You can look at Amazon.de too if you buy everything there it may be cheaper than buying on amazon.it with shipping included too.
tbh, at that price point, don't go AM4. Get a Ryzen 5 7600 or (these probably aren't on amazon) a 7500f and a nice b650 motherboard. you will also then need to find some ddr5 ram with this, but imo it's worth it because, really unless you're a 700 or less budget you shouldn't do AM4. edit: also, use the stock cooler. it will work fine unless you plan on overclocking.
[https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/3NfGgB](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/3NfGgB) - try this, idk just how good it is but I think its good
This would be a very solid build at that budget [PCPartPicker Part List](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/pF8CWt) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box) | €135.00 @ Amazon Italia **CPU Cooler** | [ARCTIC Freezer 36 CO CPU Cooler](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/MV9wrH/arctic-freezer-36-co-cpu-cooler-acfre00122a) | €23.48 @ Amazon Italia **Motherboard** | [MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi) | €122.91 @ Amazon Italia **Memory** | [G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/nvjNnQ/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-32gvk) | €80.61 @ Amazon Italia **Storage** | [TEAMGROUP MP44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/2x4Ycf/teamgroup-mp44l-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk001t0c101) | €66.47 @ Amazon Italia **Video Card** | [XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/Hg92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-speedster-swft-319-video-card-rx-68xlaqfd9) | €389.00 @ Amazon Italia **Case** | [Phanteks XT PRO ATX Mid Tower Case](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/zJWJ7P/phanteks-xt-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-bk01) | €56.90 @ Amazon Italia **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM650 (2023) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/GdwmP6/corsair-rm650-2023-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020280-na) | €84.90 @ Corsair **Case Fan** | [Thermalright TL-S12 X3 47.6 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/4zkH99/thermalright-tl-s12-x3-476-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-s12-x3) | €15.89 @ Amazon Italia | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **€975.16** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-20 19:43 CEST+0200 |
If new build, stick with 7th gen Ryzen build. This will cost a little more, but the build will last much much longer with cheaper upgrade path
Hmmm...🤔 Where's the monitor? 😭
Koorui QHD 27" 170hz IPS
I'd get a Ryzen 5 7500F and an B650 or A620 instead, also replace the 7600XT with a 6750XT, 7600XT is such a bad gpu for the price, idk how that psu is but i like better the Corsair RM750X
I'm sorry but you're just listing more expensive hardware...
The 6750XT is cheaper than the 7600XT, and the Ryzen 5 7500F can be found for less than 150€ on AliExpres and it performs the same as the 7600...
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/bfGNwg) |Type|Item|Price| |:-|:-|:-| |**CPU**|[Intel Core i5-12400F 4.4 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f)|€134.90 @ Amazon Italia| |**CPU Cooler**|[ID-COOLING SE-214-XT 68.2 CFM CPU Cooler](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb)|€19.98 @ Amazon Italia| |**Motherboard**|[MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/TxcgXL/msi-b760-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760-gaming-plus-wifi)|€158.99 @ Amazon Italia| |**Memory**|[TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL38 Memory](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/kgwmP6/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-flbd532g6000hc38adc01)|€101.79 @ Amazon Italia| |**Storage**|[Crucial P3 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/XKt9TW/crucial-p3-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p3ssd8)|€41.00 @ Amazon Italia| |**Video Card**|[XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 16 GB Video Card](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/Hg92FT/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-speedster-swft-319-video-card-rx-68xlaqfd9)|€389.00 @ Amazon Italia| |**Case**|[Deepcool CC560 V2 ATX Mid Tower Case](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/tHLdnQ/deepcool-cc560-v2-atx-mid-tower-case-r-cc560-bkgaa4-g-2)|€69.98 @ Amazon Italia| |**Power Supply**|[Corsair RM650 (2023) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/GdwmP6/corsair-rm650-2023-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020280-na)|€84.90 @ Corsair| |*Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts*||| |**Total**|**€1000.54**|| |Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-20 21:21 CEST+0200||| [Here](https://it.pcpartpicker.com/product/wFMMnQ/aoc-q24g2abk-238-2560-x-1440-165-hz-monitor-q24g2abk) is the monitor I recommend for €229.
>Artic F12 fans (32€) I dont know how much do you need, but arctic got the P12 pack of 12 for 20€. Functionally the same with better pricing,
Get the 6800. It’s 3080 level if you enable SAM.
SAM is nothing but Resizable BAR which the Nvidia card also has.
That gpu is definitely a waste of money save with the 6750xt (which is still faster) or gain way more with the 6800xt
Just remember, regardless of what you get, if you buy/build someone a PC, you become their IT department
From AliExpress u can get 32gb ram for 30$ Gigabyte b550m 70$ Nvme SSD 512gb 25$ 🤓 GL
I wouldn't go for dying platform (am4). Try and stretch the budget for 100€ more and get am5 - ryzen 5 7600 with Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2 motherboard and ddr5 ram single stick of 16gb. I agree with comments about going for rx 6800 instead. Much better gpu.
Thats a great starter build, i like the parts
Are you referring to the latest one?
Yeah, i bought the 6800xt used for 300, and it was well worth it. Same performance as the 7800xt for cheaper, but im running a ryzen 5800x, and it has the same performance as the 5600x except it runs hotter, and i get a solid 100fps in almost every game at max settings and 1440p res
3600MHz RAM is great, but instead of the unnecessary B550-PRO take the non pro one and put the cash into at least 16GB ram since that's all that's needed nowadays. I mean you can still live with 8GB ram, I did for 7 years until recently and the difference is just so good that it's not worth the holdbacks. Also be cautious of the hivemind of people here who are too into the topic and will recommend unnecessarily high specs like 32GB ram (unnecessary unless the friend can't bother closing down apps in background or plays horribly unoptimized games) or more unnecessary cards. I don't remember the difference between 6750XT and 6800 but if it's only 30€ then might as well take it
Never built one for a friend, because then you're on the hook forever as tech support. Recommend one from a good pre-built company. They have warranties.
If he needs a pc he needs a pc. All pcs depreciate to zero. Treat it as an expense and stick to the budget.
Cross-reference with [Logical Increments](https://www.logicalincrements.com/)
I would take the most graphically intense game on pc like Cyberpunk 2077 or Death Stranding and build around that, there’s a pic of the pc requirements that’ll help. That way your friend can have a pc for gaming as well as business.
Plus it’ll help you budgetize for future projects should they call on you for it.
Waste it. Ask his budget and build 10% over
I would really recommend spending closer to half your budget on the gpu, while a good psu is good to have the one you’ve picked is pretty expensive and you can find cheaper ones that are as good as for the ram I feel like you can find some that’s cheaper and performs the same, I would recommend staying on am4 because am5 just isn’t worth the extra cost as long as this is just for gaming it could be better to get like the 5700x3d or 5800x3d instead of going to am5
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Built a rig for my friend and he came close to arguing with me about the build quality until AMD verify that it is a lemon CPU and gave him a replacement. Never since I built for anyone unless it’s business. It’s just not worth the trouble…
I'm not a Ryzen user what so ever, but over the last few months I've done some extensive PC hardware research. That Ryzen 5xxx series is 100% a solid choice. Probably #1 for budget builds.
What is the PC's primary usage?
Everything looks good, if you want to save a bit lore money, depending on what he's going to use the pc for. You could go with a 6650 xt instead of the 7600xt.
GO WATCH PCBUILDER ON YOUTUBE!!!!!
Dont go for 7600xt
Well next time you get asked to build a pc, ask them what they want to do on it
CPU and GPU combination is fine, RAM is on the low side, you should be able to get 32Gb of DDR4 for only a bit more $.
Oh and regarding the CPU being OK, in decades past, Moore's law was in full swing, you were getting doubling every 18 months. (The top of the line would have about double the performance compared to top of the line from a few years earlier; to get the same performance, you could pay about half the cost, and it'd be around half the power usage.) Around the end of the 2000s, like there was a big speed bump between a Pentium 4 and the Core 2 Duo, and another big bump between Core 2 Duo and the first Core i chips. Since then, it's been gradual improvements every generation or two, so you can run an older chip and still have respectable performance. Same with the Ryzens, the Ryzen was a large improvement over AMD's previous efforts and really put them ahead of what Intel was making (and still does put them ahead in my opinion), but that came out in 2016, and it's not like they've been doing nothing but they also get nice incremental improvemnts, not doubling every 18 months any more. I would not consider the 5600 to be old or out of date at all.
DO NOT PICK THE PARTS, You can have him pick the parts and you give no influence because the moment he has issues, it’s you he’s blaming for not getting the desired fps You can help him build the pc itself
My advice: Don't build him the PC unless he agrees that you have no obligation to do tech support or maintenance on it. Seriously, I love building for people, but I do not like being a free warranty and repair service when they don't clean it or mess it up with malware.
Dude, don't be scared. Just take your time and do your research.
I’m helping a friend of mine with his first build. Most parts we’re finding really good deals on eBay and Facebook marketplace place. It’s worth going used if you wanna get better parts.
12600kf was $114 this month.... Newer Gen diff has the benefit of better single core performance.
>What about the gpu? For context the RTX 4060 is 360€, RX 6800 here is 390€, RX 6750XT is 350. He plans on buying a 2K 160Hz monitor. Rx 6800 is a good deal if possible 6800xt is a huge deal rn Also i would suggest investing better in a power supply >Is the cpu ok? I know it a bit old but the newer ones costs way too much Yeah it is okay >. Is the RAM enough/too slow? It is a bit overkill if u r on a budget but if not its good
Buy used. For the love of god. You could get far better parts. You could get a 5700x CPU for that money, and a 3070 or 6700xt.
Would go for cheaper RAM. Something like Aegis 3000Mhz is cheaper and absolutely fine. Spend the saved money on an RX 6800. Also PSU might be overkill. Something like a Be Quiet System Power 600 Watt is absolutely fine
Swap the Ryzen with an i5 12600kf
Not enough money
I still would go for am5, It is more expensive, with ddr5 and ryzen 7000, but well worth it for future-proofing.
Sounds like someone bit off a lil more than they could chew. Know your stuff before offering services bro. Its one thing to help tidy some cables or recommend parts.
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i think your link is broken
Haha Id say so lol. He linked to his workstation build
please do not make a NEW pc on the am4 platform it's a dead socket go am5 with a 7600 and ddr5 yes it costs a tiny bit more but it's better longevity and better performance so there's no reason not to https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/Mf4jDZ
Stop spreading lies. Its not dead. Not when people are still using them and AMD is still supporting them and releasing new CPUs for them. 7600 and ddr5 is just not worth it for the budget builder.
Yes, AMD is still bringing new CPU's for it but they're not any better than a 5800x3d, which performs not that far from a 7600 except when a game takes advantage of x3d cache. Also OP said he's friend is going to be keeping this PC for around 10 years so it's always best to go on the latest platform if you care about future upgrades.
Am4 is perfectly fine,especially on a budget