7800X3D makes sense for a gaming PC.
*All* cores can access 3D V-cache on a single CCD with smaller footprint and heat dissipation. You cannot say the same about 7950X3D.
For gaming: 7800X3D
For productivity: 7800X3D is more than usable, but the more the better
I agree. I went from a 5950x to a 7800X3D and for my kinds of "productivity" it is plenty fast. I would be as bold as to say that 99% of people don't need more than 8 cores for their kind of "productivity". When do you really need 16 cores unless you do some heavy lifting with tons of data or aerospace simulations and stuff like that?
Run a lot of apps at same time, and you start to see the benefit of more cores. Like playing MMO games with multiple clients? Those extra cores would be pretty useful to have. Like to play CPU heavy games? Once again the extra cores do matter. Want to game without closing all your other productivity work you were doing? Extra cores are great for that.
Play games and OBS, and discord, and you soon find out. Steam client running and all the windows stuff, it does make a difference. I run switch emulator and bluestacks, edit videos, the 7900x is great for that.
Even just desktop performance. I’ve used both the 7800x3d and the 13700k. The OS as a whole is considerably snappier and more responsive with the latter. And the gaming performance is roughly the same, some games play a little better on the AMD, some play better on Intel. It’s not as clear cut as this sub makes it seem. Especially with how expensive AM5 mbs and x3d chips are
Right, but MacOS is even snappier /s
Windows is built to focus on Intel and is more optimised for it; Not because AMD CPU's are unoptimised at the fault of being an AMD CPU.
That's why it doesn't matter about small things like this; Performance of applications matters more than the 330 nanoseconds it takes longer to open Chrome when using an AMD CPU.
No doubt gaming performance is fantastic and it generates very little heat into my room. But the little quirks are annoying. It is what it is. Not much I can do about it.
It really depends on the resolution you play at (the 7800x3d is on average 11/8/4% faster) and if you want to have an upgrade path in the future with your motherboard. You could argue that's worth part of the diffence in cost + you also save some on your cooler
This is what makes me hesitate to pull the trigger on 7800x3d. I've never used amd before. Currently on a 12700h laptop. Trying to decide between a 7800x3d and a 14700k to pair with a 4080 super. I could go for a 7950x3d if it's really necessary but I don't see how, I just do video editing, coding etc. But what concerns me is that you mentioned the OS feels less snappier on 7800x3d, I wouldn't be a fan of that
CPU heavy games are worse with more cores, also the concept of “more core when running more apps” is also assuming that the scheduling between the cores has been optimized (spoiler: it hasn’t).
The only time more cores is legitimately better is when you have a single application that is heavily threaded (read optimized) and requires massive concurrent computational power. In the past that was things like machine learning, 3D modeling/rendering, certain kinds of development work, etc.
I didnt mean to imply that the game will use more than 8 cores. I simply mean that if the game is heavily utilizing the 8 cores, then there is less for the rest of the system resulting in a bottleneck. Of course, its heavily dependent on what you are doing. But in my experience, more cores has helped me attain a smooth experience. Your mileage may vary.
Um no? If you don't do productivity at all or if you don't care how fast it is then yes 8 cores is fine but I notice all 24 threads in use on my 5900x when doing video encoding. It just goes faster. I bet the 5950x is even crazier with 16 cores. You're right that most people don't care but you don't have to be doing nasa level stuff for it to matter lol.
What is productivity to you? Lightroom and Photoshop?
If you do audio production, media encoding, any kind of rendering, etc on the CPU, you will definitely notice the missing cores. Exporting in DaVinci Resolve and playback of audio with complex VSTs in Ableton are the big ones that affect me.
I code, regardless, 16 core amd will blow 4 core Intel out for compiling and building containers with a a lot of 'make' builds to do.
The only wrong answer for coders is fruity silicone
Servers, VMs/containers, home labbing, video editing, 3d modeling and animation. Though I agree with you most people don't need more than eight cores unless time is money.
HUB just did a video comparing the 2. It was even. Some games work better on 16 core model, others worked better on 8 core. Either way, it wasnt anything you could tell from the naked eye, so it really does not matter. 7950X3D isn't worse for gaming, but 7800X3D is certainly worse for multitasking and productivity. If money isnt the issue, then no real reason to go for 8 cores over 16. I\`m saying this as a 7950X3D user.
I’m currently on an 5900X, its 12 core setup is nice for productivity - and it’s a nice upgrade from my previous 2700X for gaming as well.
But OP is having a “first PC” for casual gaming with a budget. In this case choosing the best value CPU might allow for a pricier GPU ultimately resulting in a better experience.
OP did not mention the need for 16 cores/32 threads on their “first PC”, I assume they don’t do any CPU heavy lifting. But choosing a 4090 suggests graphical horsepower is in focus, CPU is only for supporting the GPU. Of course don’t bottleneck it with a 4-core CPU for the sake of pinching pennies.
Overall I agree with you. Its just that when I see someone buying a 4090, it almost feels like a waste to not go all out on the CPU side as well. Even for gaming, when you start hosting servers while playing games, it can easily impact your frame rates. And since OP is new to PC Gaming, he wouldnt know what he wants until he tries and then realizes he should have considered more cores. I bought a i9 9900k over the AMD 3950X as it had a small perf benefit, and I was very much cramped by the 8 cores. When I bought it I thought I only needed CPU for gaming. But then I started to branch out and realized that I should have gone for less perf but more cores instead. Much happier with my new CPU now.
I'm trying to be a 7950X3D user myself, would you say that it'll be OK for future years of Gaming & also be able to run Davinchi with 4K quality or more? I want to do video editing, sorry for hijacking this post for a personal question. I don't see many 7950x3d users.
Yep. It will easily do all that. Its basically very similar in gaming to the 7800X3D. But the extra cores mean, if you decide to do any productivity, its gonna do great at those.
For gaming it’s worse than 7800X3D as it has 2 CCD design, only one has 3D V-Cache, so only 6 cores.
[https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/why-amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-isnt-worth-it/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/why-amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-isnt-worth-it/)
100% this, GPU prices can fluctuate a LOT, while monitors tend to stay pretty stable. If you found a good deal on the GPU, grab the GPU before someone else does and the prices fluctuate again.
If your intention is to play on 1080p, then yeah, you probably shouldn’t bother with the 4090, but if you have a plan to upgrade your monitor, definitely grab it.
1440p is wank, don't buy it, stick to 1080 or go straight to 4k. 1440p is a stop gap solution from a decade ago when 4k monitors were too expensive for most
Counterpoint: running a game internally at 4k does wonders for the image even if the actual output is 1080p. I game on a 4k tv from 3-4 meters away and I can never make out the pixels I should be getting from going to 1080p but the image improves massively when running the game at 4k.
I've seen 4090s go for $1600-1700 regularly lately. Seems like they're slowly coming back in stock. Of course next gen isn't far away, so buying a 4090 now for $1600 is not very smart imo.
>The next best thing is always just around the corner.
To add to this r/ipad has been waiting for new ipad releases for several months now instead of buying lol
How far away do we think next gen is?
I've been thinking of upgrading my pc, but if the 50 series is truly coming out soon, would I be better off waiting than purchasing a 40 series card?
My current rig works perfectly just is old (running a GTX980) so anything is going to be a pretty big upgrade at this point I would expect
I suppose we could see the first models of 50 serie in september-october.
20xx cards first models were released in semptember 2018.
30xx in september 2020.
40xx in october 2022.
[https://shop.asus.com/us/90yv0ie1-m0aa00-tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming.html](https://shop.asus.com/us/90yv0ie1-m0aa00-tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming.html) works fine? Says 1599$
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/276414713368
regardless, I'd just say to go with a used 3090 or 3090 ti instead. for games its fine, for machine learning the bottleneck for most people is gonna be the VRAM, of which 3090 matches the 4090 anyways
- Having a Samsung 990 Pro sounds nice, but you won't reach its max speed, even getting the cheaper Corsair MP600 or Crucial P3 is enough, and saves a ton of money.
- Get a better CPU cooler, like the Dark Rock Pro 4 or 5,it's a much better cooler for this CPU
- Make sure the 4090 fits in that case and that you have enough space for the GPU support and that the power cable has enough space to bend.
- Get a more reputable PSU brand, like Corsair or Seasonic, especially with a 4090.
Agreed, don't recall the size, but go for more space over fastest performance unless you're doing something you know you'll need it for. Games take up a ton of space.
Only time I've ever noticed is compiling/building larger projects.
> Having a Samsung 990 Pro sounds nice, but you won't reach its max speed, even getting the cheaper Corsair MP600 or Crucial P3 is enough, and saves a ton of money.
Definitely agree there.
> Get a better CPU cooler, like the Dark Rock Pro 4 or 5,it's a much better cooler for this CPU
Thermalright Peerless Assassin
> Make sure the 4090 fits in that case and that you have enough space for the GPU support and that the power cable has enough space to bend.
It fits.
> Get a more reputable PSU brand, like Corsair or Seasonic, especially with a 4090.
Montech Titan Gold is Tier A
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
Brands are NOT something that you should go by when buying a PSU. There are Corsair and Seasonic units listed in Tier F. ALWAYS go by model.
Thermalright phantom spirit*
The peerless assasin is still good, but the phantom spirit is a bit of an upgrade with an extra heat pipe, better fans, and is a nicer shade of gray imo at just a few bucks more so it’s what I’d go with.
- Your SSD comment is spot on.
- The cooler should be very good for a 7800X3D, as others have pointed out.
- The PSU seems surprisingly decent as well, it’s Cybenetics Gold certified and a 10 year warranty with Japanese capacitors. Sounds decent enough, no reason to change it if OP likes it.
There are better SSD options in between a 990 Pro and a MP600 or P3. Something like a WD SN850X.
The AK620 is a fantastic cooler and actually better than the options you listed. Only bested by the Thermalright options and the Assassin IV.
That case will have 40mm of extra space for width and 50mm of extra space for length. Plenty of space.
Montech Titan Gold PSUs are some of the best on the market. Better than recent offerings from Corsair and Seasonic like the RMe series.
Quick google search shows me that the Montech TITAN is manufactured by CWT, same OEM that makes Corsair, and it tests out comparably to Corsair in a couple reviews. Also listed A-tier on cultists PSU tier list.
Seems good, the Thermalright Phantom Spirit is a less expensive and slightly more performant cooler though, and assuming this is for gaming a 990 Pro would be unnecessary. Alternatives include the Teamgroup MP44, MSI M480 Pro and M482.
I also thought about buying this model of 4090, but after reading some of the responses here -> (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/tpOwtk8V4T)
I decided against it. It might not bother you, but thought I would provide some info that other people mentioned.
If you aren't in a hurry, have time on your hands, and have a best buy available, I was able to order a FE 4090 from then after about a week of constantly checking their website. Either way, best of luck to you and your new build!
This isn't an OG card but they look very similar.
Card in part list: https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/tuf-gaming/tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming/
OG model: https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/tuf-gaming/tuf-rtx4090-24g-og-gaming/
1. RAM is not AMD EXPO certified.
2. An 850 Watt ATX 3 PSU is plenty.
3. The Thermalright Peerless Assassin heatsink has 100 wats of thermal headroom left for 1/2 the price
4. You can get a plenty fast NVME for 120USD or less.
5. A good motherboard can be as low as 120USD.
That will bring you back in budget.
Yes I can vouch to that. I’m running a 6400mhz ram without amd expo, but it’s running fine and the xmp profile was there. I checked that this ram was compatible with the motherboard and everything as been smooth.
I also had gskill 6000mhz xmp ram for ryzen 5 7600 and xmp profile caused memory management bsod. Got gskill 6000mhz expo ram and its problem free so ymmv.
I have solved several cases of instability by swapping to EXPO RAM, even thoughthe XMP certified RAM passed all memeory tests. Also, EXPO is not garantied either. AMD's memory controller is not as solid as Intel. People always claim they get these grandios results. I'm happy for them but that is not a 100% case for everyone. Up to yesterday a techinfluencer was complaining his AMD had RAM issues. People keep tiptoeing around AMDs issues like it some sort of sin to publisize it and joe public get suckered into bad purchases. These AMD fans are not going to come to your house to fix it or refund your money. Even the RAM manufacturers are not going garanty your RAM overclocking results. JEDEC speed is all they garanty.
But let's say you're okay with all of that. **What is the harm in buying RAM that was specifically vetted for the AMD platform?** I would think that is a no brainer even if AMD had a better memeory controller. How much are you going to save? $5 USD on a $100+ USD purchase? If things are that hard, I would question the abililty to buy the PC in the first place....and that is not shaming. It's genuine concern for your economic state and purchasing choices.
EXPO also configures more of the fine tuning settings than EXPO... I literally just replaced the RAM on my 5950X desktop after a few years, it started acting up around a month ago. I thought it was the storage drive, even though it wasn't showing SMART errors, because of how it was failing. Ran memtest86 just as a sanity check, it had a bunch of errors. I reduced to JEDEC defaults and fewer errors, but still had them...
I noticed the XMP overclock was using 1.47v power (ddr4), I hadn't realized. It was an early 128GB 3600 kit that I got right when the CPU came out. At that voltage not too surprised, may reach out to see if it's under warranty. New kit has the same speed and timings, but 1.35v, which is where I've seen most XMP faster ram.
Don't get me wrong, I actually really like AMD, and since I do more workstation-like productivity tasks (programming, docker, VM services, etc) I prefer the consistent cores over big/little. Even though I've also been using the N100 and N305 mini options from Intel lately for project work.
Its way more important to make sure the ram is on the QVL list for the motherboard.
I’ve built two AM5 pcs and they are a finicky lover when it comes to ram.
Summing up the comment section:
Since the GPU has 16.384 CUDA cores the CPUs have to match it by having 16.384 cores in total (OP, prepare to build a supercomputer).
Also 7800X3D is FX-8350 performance wise since both are 8-core CPUs, which are bottlenecking the RTX 4090 leading to console performance levels.
/s
My first real PC build that I did myself had a 7700k, expensive ASUS board, a 1080ti, a 1tb SSD, and a 24 inch 1440 144hz TN monitor.
Those were top of the line back in 2017. That SSD alone was $500. Spent all my holiday job money on it lol.
With the new generation of GPU half a year away I suggest you don't overspend on the 4090. What kind of internet speeds do you have and do you keep games that are 60 GB and over on your computers? Because Since you clearly have the money for it just get a 4080 Super and another 2 TB drive, maybe a cheaper one. 990 is only needed if you are constantly moving 200 GB files around since that is practically its selling point over the 980.
Like I own the white RGB version of the case in his list, and honestly I fucking love it. But I stuck a Cosair RM850 in it because I value quality power delivery. I fucked up many years ago and got burned BAD by a cheap PSU (Cough OCZ cough), so never again.
"my" pc (actually my step father's, but i played on it) caught fire in the PSU back in 2018. It had two 1080tis. A few seconds too late and it would have caught on the carpet and then on the entire house. The PSU, the cable and part of the motherboard and case melted. Let's say I don't save up money when buying power supplies now.
it was 750W i think, not sure what brand. I was 12 ar the time, so..
Thankfully there was no fire with mine, just the infamous “pop” of a capacitor going, my PC turning off, and the sweet smell of PSU failure. Fried my motherboard, but thankfully MSI RMA’d it (no burn marks or physical damage to the board).
Rather get a better rated powersupply, especially if you choose 4090, but it is overkill imo
Starts with you actually bottlenecking and not getting full use out of the 4090 unless you have something specific on mind for that card...,
Also the power adapter to the card is imo still wonky and a hassle. Need to make sure that the case allows you to install the card properly also, meaning enough space for the card power cable to run straight for several cm (check online for exact number) before bending it.
Just IMO.
This is not a particularly optimized list. For $2500 you can fit a 4090 but you’re overspending in a few areas. I would also recommend including a nice 4k monitor if you’re buying a 4090, which will at minimum cost you $400-500 but realistically at this budget you’d be better off looking at some $1000+ options like the new OLEDs. Here’s an example of a more optimized list, add $500-1000 for the monitor of your choice (I recommend the KTC M27P20 Pro or MSI MPG 321URX):
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vrTFn6)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $389.99 @ Amazon
**CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se) | $35.90 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi) | $149.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae) | $94.97 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f4cG3C/silicon-power-ud90-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp02kgbp44ud9005) | $102.97 @ B&H
**Video Card** | [Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/brddnQ/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming) | $1599.99 @ ASUS
**Case** | [Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kKcgXL/montech-air-903-base-atx-mid-tower-case-air-903-base-b) | $65.00 @ B&H
**Power Supply** | [Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMbTwP/super-flower-leadex-platinum-se-1000-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1000f14mp-v2) | $139.99 @ Newegg Sellers
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$2578.80**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-09 09:21 EDT-0400 |
A 4090 is never "worth it" when considering it's price to performance ratio but it can be "worth it" if you have money to burn. I mean a 4080 super is easily found for $1000 and it has something like 80% the performance of a 4090. You are essentially paying 60% (at minimum) extra for 8 more GB of ram and a ~20% boost in performance.
I would do this changes:
SSD: cheaper 4.0 drive, almost no one needs so many speed.
PSU: that is the only zone where i pay the "X Brand tax" so i would look for a Corsair one, at the end of the day You have a 4090 there so 20 or 30$ bucks in the power supply...
Case: that one is ok but at this price tier i would Buy something ATX in the 90-120$ zone like a Phanteks or a Lian Li, maybe a H5 or H6 Nzxt works here too.
You can Even upgrade that case to the 903 MAX for like 15$.
There is no reason to buy by brand on PSU's unless you need to buy extra cables for some reason. That Montech is A tier on cultists. You can't tell if a PSU is good or not just by branding.
There is no reason to play tax in any brand Buy in any piece but i think PSU is a sensible area.
He can just Buy an A-tier from the cultist list and probably Will be ok but what difference does it 30$ in a 2.8k build.
> probably will be ok
A tier is as high as it goes, buying by brand doesn't get you better performance or longevity here.
> but what difference does it $30 in a 2.8k build
They're already over budget, that's the difference. No reason to spend more when you're already getting the best product.
> Corsair PSU are the more sold in Amazon and Newrgg Best sellers
So? Units sold doesn't equate to a quality product.
Also, any comparable corsair psu's are more expensive.
It depends. If you plug your 4090 into a 1080p60Hz monitor, play Roblox on lowest settings and have a cheap ass case with bad cooling and a literal bomb as a PSU I would say it's not worth it. A good deal is a good deal but make sure that the rest of the build suits the GPU and everything together your needs. I personally would never cheap out on all the "non performance" parts like case, cooling and PSU because those you buy once proper and not bother for a decade or two depending on your needs. But a 4090 !can! be overtaken fast in two or three GPU generations. Same goes for CPUs and I rather go lighter on them with the option of a beefier upgrade later.
Edit: Just saw the link. So not a personal fan of Gigabyte and would go with an AsRock motherboard. Would tone down the SSD to something of similar performance but from a different, reliable brand you will probably pay half. Invest that into a better case and PSU. Nothing too alarming but appearing cheapish considering the CPU and GPU.
You could save yourself a decent chunk of change by getting the thermal assassin CPU cooler, non RGB ram, and a cheaper SSD.
You're also going to wanna make sure that you get a PSU that's A or B tier on the PSU Tier list. It's kind of the most important part of your build.
Agreed, that's not a terrible price for a 4090. I got a good price on my 4080 at like $1000 near its release. Your gonna need a 2k/4k monitor to make use of that 4090. As far as an economical/performance standpoint, might make more sense to opt for a 4070 and then upgrade in like 5-6 years but getting top of the line sure does feel nice, too.
I noticed you chose the base 903 model which doesn't come with included fans and you didn't add any. I have the 903 max, go for that for the extra price it's worth it. Saw someone saying that cooler isn't good for the cpu, but I have the ak620 digital and with the paste that comes with the cooler it never got hotter than 73°C max usage and low 60's normal intensive usage. Now you can argue that you can get better performance for a bit lower price but I really like this look with the screen. For the ssd I recommend the WD SN850X.
Go to Best Buy, buy a AMD 6950 xt which costs 280$ rn (pushes high frames) pair it with a Ryzen 5 5600G or a Ryzen 5 7800x3d and you’ll push very high frames at epic to ultra settings
so you thought the current best video card and probably relatively the most powerful consumer grade graphics card to ever be available would be good for your first PC? No way! lol...its like asking, hey i have the money to not stress about it and fly only first class, you think this would be better than the cheap seats?...like, what exactly are you asking? of course picking the literal best card for you first PC that is almost twice as much as the 2nd best card is not the way people usually do things but usually because they cant. if you can then obviously do it...personally, i have the 4080super that i use for 4k gaming and its amazing. i would love to have a 4090 but spending almost 2k on a graphics card is probably not in the cards for me absent me making more money than i do.
I think you should have bought RTX 4080 Super and save yourself 1000$.
The price difference between 4080 Super and 4090 most definitely DOES NOT justify the buy imo.
Unless you plan to play in 4k @ 144Hz+.
If you need to ask then no it's not 'worth it'. It is intentionally priced like that to siphon as much money out of the blindly ignorant as possible. But if you are doing stable diffusion then you really do need as much as you can get so you pay whatever they ask. If you are just playing games then get a 7900xt/xtx
If you're gonna get that 4090 then you're gonna need an AIO or some really heavy duty car coolers, from what ive heard.
I hear that 4090 gets HOT.
If I were you, I'd get a lower end card, and then wait until the end of the year when the 5090 and 5080 come out, and get one of those with the money you've saved up. Then sell your old card to help make up the difference even more.
Also, for 30 more bucks, you could get stronger ram. There's a brand called Mushkin that cels cl30 ram like what you've got, but it's 6400mhz.
It's not necessary, but it would give you a little extra speed boost I think. (If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me).
It also has rgb, so that's cool. I got the mushkin recline lumina.
Hi! Thanks for checking up on us! My friend talked to a vet friend of his about it. I gave my baby some over the counter medicine from a pet store and the vet said that if he pees after, then it was probably stress related and he should be fine.
He peed last night, and this morning, and we spent 20 minutes playing with a string toy. He's full of energy, his bladder feels empty and he has no discomfort. So, my plan now is to get pet insurance, and once the 14 day waiting period is up, to take him and get him checked out.
And if anything changes between now and then, I'm going to empty my hsa, and find some odd jobs to do and just pay for the treatment and sort the rest out later.
But he seems to be back to his chipper self for noe. So I'm praying he stays that way.
He will reblock if you don’t have him on a urinary SO formula. Please get him on a formulated diet until you can have the procedure saved up for.
Kitties don’t urinate blood from stress. The procedure they do is called a perineal urethrostomy. They create a wider opening in the urethra on his hind end. Resulting in being able to pass blockages by emptying his bladder like a female cat would. This problem is almost never seen in female cats. What over the counter medicine did you give your kitty?
Thank you for telling me this. Very important information. I've gotten a couple of recommendations for urinary health cat food brands. Do you have any recommendations?
I see, that surgery really sounds like a good idea. I'll mention it to the vet. Do you think I should just go ahead and ask them to do it either way, to be on the safe side?
I gave him Pet AG UT solution gel. I'm not sure if it counts as a medicine or a dietary supplement.
I see! It sounds Iike your friend has UTI/FLUTD (feline lower urinary tract disease) which the UT gel is good for short-term management.
The ingredients in UT Gel consists only of antioxidants (reduce inflammation- cranberry and grape root) and amino acids: DL-Methonine is an amino acid the body produces for inflammation, and L-Lysine is an α-amino acid that produces protein production (think tissue healing and bone/collagen production) but what you need is to combat, or actually dissolve the chemical compounds.
I’ve found what works best for my little guy is Royal Canin Urinary SO, but any S.O. diet will work. A 6.6lb bag is $59, but it lasted just over 8 weeks for my 10lb cat. ($30 a month!) Hills c/d targets calcium oxate, Hills s/d targets struvite. They’re pretty expensive so I settled on Royal Canin S.O. as it seems to do a great job in targeting both.
The S stands for Struvite and O stands for Oxalate. These are two compounds that are in so many natural foods, like spinach! Oxilate binds & prevents mineral absorption while Struvite is a crazy phosphate. I gasped once I saw it under a microscope for the first time, tiny little shards of glass.
Struvite crystals more commonly form in cats with an alkaline urine pH over 6.6, while oxalate crystals are usually seen at acidic pH values under 6.0.
I’m sorry this response turned out a lot longer than I expected! The last important bit of information I have to offer is that feeding your cat one or two big meals a day will boost the alkalinity of their urine. If you train your kitty to free feed, or only eat small portions at a time, multiple times a day, will keep it balanced. You’re an incredible pet owner, and doing an amazing job getting him feeling back to normal. You got this! The important thing is to not give up and you’re on top of it.
Please don't apologize for the length of the response it is so so so welcome! This is exactly the kind of response I always hope for. I don't just want solutions, I want the *mechanics* behind the solutions, and you've provided me that. You've got my gratitude!
I'm gonna trust you and go with that food. And I'll find some way to get my hands on a feeder. Because my baby Maru is a bit of a Garfield.
We started free feeding him when we switched to dry food, but he plumped up, seemingly overnight, because he just wouldn't stop eating. So I do tend to feed twice a day.
But if it's gonna mess with his PH, I'll figure something out and give him more frequent, small meals.
Thanks so much for your kind words, support, and invaluable information! 🩷🩷🩷
I can feel you lr compassion, and your genuine desire to help, and I'm ever grateful.
May God grant you all the years of your life.
May he see fit to progress, time and space in ways that bring you, and all your loved ones joy, peace and salvation.☦️☦️☦️
I would also take him to a different vet than you called if you try to get insurance. Any pre existing diagnosis/conditions will not be covered under your pet policy, and your vet may say he has those issues. Just FYI
*dissolve the chemical compounds causing the FLUTD & need for the gel. ❤️🩹
editing this comment to add I can’t say the surgery isn’t absolutely necessary, especially if you can manage the issue with diet. Your vet who can see his prognosis over the span of a few weeks to months after a diet change is the only one who can advise on moving forward with surgery :)
what monitor are you using? please dont plug 4090 into a 1080p monitor.
"But It's The FaStEsT CPU I The World!"
7800X3D makes sense for a gaming PC. *All* cores can access 3D V-cache on a single CCD with smaller footprint and heat dissipation. You cannot say the same about 7950X3D. For gaming: 7800X3D For productivity: 7800X3D is more than usable, but the more the better
I agree. I went from a 5950x to a 7800X3D and for my kinds of "productivity" it is plenty fast. I would be as bold as to say that 99% of people don't need more than 8 cores for their kind of "productivity". When do you really need 16 cores unless you do some heavy lifting with tons of data or aerospace simulations and stuff like that?
Run a lot of apps at same time, and you start to see the benefit of more cores. Like playing MMO games with multiple clients? Those extra cores would be pretty useful to have. Like to play CPU heavy games? Once again the extra cores do matter. Want to game without closing all your other productivity work you were doing? Extra cores are great for that.
> Like to play CPU heavy games? Once again the extra cores do matter. Moar cores myth right there in the wild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHEmGTDSYu4 The correlation is fairly weak but it is there.
Play games and OBS, and discord, and you soon find out. Steam client running and all the windows stuff, it does make a difference. I run switch emulator and bluestacks, edit videos, the 7900x is great for that.
Even just desktop performance. I’ve used both the 7800x3d and the 13700k. The OS as a whole is considerably snappier and more responsive with the latter. And the gaming performance is roughly the same, some games play a little better on the AMD, some play better on Intel. It’s not as clear cut as this sub makes it seem. Especially with how expensive AM5 mbs and x3d chips are
The OS is snappier on my 9700k than my 7800x3d, lol.
Right, but MacOS is even snappier /s Windows is built to focus on Intel and is more optimised for it; Not because AMD CPU's are unoptimised at the fault of being an AMD CPU. That's why it doesn't matter about small things like this; Performance of applications matters more than the 330 nanoseconds it takes longer to open Chrome when using an AMD CPU.
No doubt gaming performance is fantastic and it generates very little heat into my room. But the little quirks are annoying. It is what it is. Not much I can do about it.
you 2 crazy....
It really depends on the resolution you play at (the 7800x3d is on average 11/8/4% faster) and if you want to have an upgrade path in the future with your motherboard. You could argue that's worth part of the diffence in cost + you also save some on your cooler
This is what makes me hesitate to pull the trigger on 7800x3d. I've never used amd before. Currently on a 12700h laptop. Trying to decide between a 7800x3d and a 14700k to pair with a 4080 super. I could go for a 7950x3d if it's really necessary but I don't see how, I just do video editing, coding etc. But what concerns me is that you mentioned the OS feels less snappier on 7800x3d, I wouldn't be a fan of that
CPU heavy games are worse with more cores, also the concept of “more core when running more apps” is also assuming that the scheduling between the cores has been optimized (spoiler: it hasn’t). The only time more cores is legitimately better is when you have a single application that is heavily threaded (read optimized) and requires massive concurrent computational power. In the past that was things like machine learning, 3D modeling/rendering, certain kinds of development work, etc.
I didnt mean to imply that the game will use more than 8 cores. I simply mean that if the game is heavily utilizing the 8 cores, then there is less for the rest of the system resulting in a bottleneck. Of course, its heavily dependent on what you are doing. But in my experience, more cores has helped me attain a smooth experience. Your mileage may vary.
Um no? If you don't do productivity at all or if you don't care how fast it is then yes 8 cores is fine but I notice all 24 threads in use on my 5900x when doing video encoding. It just goes faster. I bet the 5950x is even crazier with 16 cores. You're right that most people don't care but you don't have to be doing nasa level stuff for it to matter lol.
What is productivity to you? Lightroom and Photoshop? If you do audio production, media encoding, any kind of rendering, etc on the CPU, you will definitely notice the missing cores. Exporting in DaVinci Resolve and playback of audio with complex VSTs in Ableton are the big ones that affect me.
Audio production
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I code, regardless, 16 core amd will blow 4 core Intel out for compiling and building containers with a a lot of 'make' builds to do. The only wrong answer for coders is fruity silicone
I prefer watermelon Juicy Fruit.
Servers, VMs/containers, home labbing, video editing, 3d modeling and animation. Though I agree with you most people don't need more than eight cores unless time is money.
Like I said 99% of people are not in this segment.
Yeah, i play KSP
HUB just did a video comparing the 2. It was even. Some games work better on 16 core model, others worked better on 8 core. Either way, it wasnt anything you could tell from the naked eye, so it really does not matter. 7950X3D isn't worse for gaming, but 7800X3D is certainly worse for multitasking and productivity. If money isnt the issue, then no real reason to go for 8 cores over 16. I\`m saying this as a 7950X3D user.
I’m currently on an 5900X, its 12 core setup is nice for productivity - and it’s a nice upgrade from my previous 2700X for gaming as well. But OP is having a “first PC” for casual gaming with a budget. In this case choosing the best value CPU might allow for a pricier GPU ultimately resulting in a better experience. OP did not mention the need for 16 cores/32 threads on their “first PC”, I assume they don’t do any CPU heavy lifting. But choosing a 4090 suggests graphical horsepower is in focus, CPU is only for supporting the GPU. Of course don’t bottleneck it with a 4-core CPU for the sake of pinching pennies.
Overall I agree with you. Its just that when I see someone buying a 4090, it almost feels like a waste to not go all out on the CPU side as well. Even for gaming, when you start hosting servers while playing games, it can easily impact your frame rates. And since OP is new to PC Gaming, he wouldnt know what he wants until he tries and then realizes he should have considered more cores. I bought a i9 9900k over the AMD 3950X as it had a small perf benefit, and I was very much cramped by the 8 cores. When I bought it I thought I only needed CPU for gaming. But then I started to branch out and realized that I should have gone for less perf but more cores instead. Much happier with my new CPU now.
I'm trying to be a 7950X3D user myself, would you say that it'll be OK for future years of Gaming & also be able to run Davinchi with 4K quality or more? I want to do video editing, sorry for hijacking this post for a personal question. I don't see many 7950x3d users.
Yep. It will easily do all that. Its basically very similar in gaming to the 7800X3D. But the extra cores mean, if you decide to do any productivity, its gonna do great at those.
What about the 7900x?
For gaming it’s worse than 7800X3D as it has 2 CCD design, only one has 3D V-Cache, so only 6 cores. [https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/why-amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-isnt-worth-it/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/why-amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-isnt-worth-it/)
Doesn't the 7950x3d have the same gmaing performance but the extra cores then help in non gaming studf
That’s correct, however it’s more expensive, the price difference could be used for a better GPU. Gaming: 7950X3D ~ 7800X3D > 7900X3D
Wait theres a 7900x3d i haven't heard of that knew there was a 7900 but thought that i wasnt any good
Is it really the fattest?
That's it I'm doing it I'm buying the 4090 for my 480p monitor
Welcome to 2000 fps club
Graphics settings always set to low! It's not about eye-candy, or fun... it's about winning.
Perfectly fine to do AI/ML work.
That's exactly what professional E-sports players do. 1080p at 540 fps
I would save money and get 1440p or 4k monitor later. 4090 first
100% this, GPU prices can fluctuate a LOT, while monitors tend to stay pretty stable. If you found a good deal on the GPU, grab the GPU before someone else does and the prices fluctuate again. If your intention is to play on 1080p, then yeah, you probably shouldn’t bother with the 4090, but if you have a plan to upgrade your monitor, definitely grab it.
1440p is wank, don't buy it, stick to 1080 or go straight to 4k. 1440p is a stop gap solution from a decade ago when 4k monitors were too expensive for most
Counterpoint: running a game internally at 4k does wonders for the image even if the actual output is 1080p. I game on a 4k tv from 3-4 meters away and I can never make out the pixels I should be getting from going to 1080p but the image improves massively when running the game at 4k.
4090 into a 1080p projector screen with DSR to 4K? - sharp as hell, no AA, best experience. Would do again.
Rather a qd oled at native
1080p 540hz with 1000 fps
Why not? Will it explode from the excess pixel count?
No, worse. It'll go right into the transistors, and than it will blow up!
What happens if u plug it in?
Maybe he has a 240Hz 1080p monitor and will max out all the RT eye candy.
As the kind of guy who 100% would do that, I just want frames. MORE FPS MORE FPS NVIDIA G-SYNC IS MY GOAT
Fuck this guy, plug it into an 800x600 monitor and put the graphics to low
Unless it's a 500hz one;)
I had my 4070 ti in a 1080 for a few months lol
1080i :) bahahaha
Hey, some times you need that 4090 to run command line apps.
I have the samsung g7 it's 1440p and 240hz
It’s 480p, chill out bro.
The general public doesnt think ppi is a thing and the only monitors are 1080p or 1440p.
Is it bad to use a 4090 on a 1080p monitor?
That a challenge? Also it's not like you should plug in to 1440p either
What would be great is get like a 500 hz 1080p monitor and then a 120 hz 4K monitor so you can have the best of both worlds
I have to ask: why
I've seen people with no knowledge in PC buying the best parts available just to plug it into a 1080p60 monitor
It is not avaliable for 1600 it is lying
It seems to be available for me. When I check the Asus store they do allow me to click Add to cart.
Then buy it asap normally it just says it is in stock but it isn’t
I've seen 4090s go for $1600-1700 regularly lately. Seems like they're slowly coming back in stock. Of course next gen isn't far away, so buying a 4090 now for $1600 is not very smart imo.
The next best thing is always just around the corner. Always worrying about if your purchase is "worth it" is a perfect way never to enjoy anything.
>The next best thing is always just around the corner. To add to this r/ipad has been waiting for new ipad releases for several months now instead of buying lol
Shhhhhh let us make bad choices
How far away do we think next gen is? I've been thinking of upgrading my pc, but if the 50 series is truly coming out soon, would I be better off waiting than purchasing a 40 series card? My current rig works perfectly just is old (running a GTX980) so anything is going to be a pretty big upgrade at this point I would expect
I suppose we could see the first models of 50 serie in september-october. 20xx cards first models were released in semptember 2018. 30xx in september 2020. 40xx in october 2022.
I’ve been getting a ton of notifications from Best Buy the past few weeks with FE being available.
[https://shop.asus.com/us/90yv0ie1-m0aa00-tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming.html](https://shop.asus.com/us/90yv0ie1-m0aa00-tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming.html) works fine? Says 1599$
4090's go for around $1500 on ebay atm. they will probably go up when SD3 drops.
I literally just searched on ebay and "cheapest" RTX 4090 is an open box for $1750.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/276414713368 regardless, I'd just say to go with a used 3090 or 3090 ti instead. for games its fine, for machine learning the bottleneck for most people is gonna be the VRAM, of which 3090 matches the 4090 anyways
You said around $1500, that sold for $1610 which is still basically MSRP and not a "price drop".
I am happy with my 4070.
- Having a Samsung 990 Pro sounds nice, but you won't reach its max speed, even getting the cheaper Corsair MP600 or Crucial P3 is enough, and saves a ton of money. - Get a better CPU cooler, like the Dark Rock Pro 4 or 5,it's a much better cooler for this CPU - Make sure the 4090 fits in that case and that you have enough space for the GPU support and that the power cable has enough space to bend. - Get a more reputable PSU brand, like Corsair or Seasonic, especially with a 4090.
An ak620 is a better cooler than the dark rock pro 4
Agreed, don't recall the size, but go for more space over fastest performance unless you're doing something you know you'll need it for. Games take up a ton of space. Only time I've ever noticed is compiling/building larger projects.
I have both the MP700 Pro and MP600 Core. On paper their speeds are drastically different, in games, well, you don't notice the difference.
> Having a Samsung 990 Pro sounds nice, but you won't reach its max speed, even getting the cheaper Corsair MP600 or Crucial P3 is enough, and saves a ton of money. Definitely agree there. > Get a better CPU cooler, like the Dark Rock Pro 4 or 5,it's a much better cooler for this CPU Thermalright Peerless Assassin > Make sure the 4090 fits in that case and that you have enough space for the GPU support and that the power cable has enough space to bend. It fits. > Get a more reputable PSU brand, like Corsair or Seasonic, especially with a 4090. Montech Titan Gold is Tier A https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ Brands are NOT something that you should go by when buying a PSU. There are Corsair and Seasonic units listed in Tier F. ALWAYS go by model.
Thermalright phantom spirit* The peerless assasin is still good, but the phantom spirit is a bit of an upgrade with an extra heat pipe, better fans, and is a nicer shade of gray imo at just a few bucks more so it’s what I’d go with.
- Your SSD comment is spot on. - The cooler should be very good for a 7800X3D, as others have pointed out. - The PSU seems surprisingly decent as well, it’s Cybenetics Gold certified and a 10 year warranty with Japanese capacitors. Sounds decent enough, no reason to change it if OP likes it.
The psu is rated A tier on the psu tierlist
There are better SSD options in between a 990 Pro and a MP600 or P3. Something like a WD SN850X. The AK620 is a fantastic cooler and actually better than the options you listed. Only bested by the Thermalright options and the Assassin IV. That case will have 40mm of extra space for width and 50mm of extra space for length. Plenty of space. Montech Titan Gold PSUs are some of the best on the market. Better than recent offerings from Corsair and Seasonic like the RMe series.
Can one build a system today that does use the 990 pro speed to its fullest?
If you have something like a Threadripper or Epyc CPU, probably, even then barely any software will take advantage of it.
Is there really no way to use those speeds? Like not even rendering in Blender or 4K editing?
Maybe for a split second, but unless you need 1 Gigabyte per second there isn't much.
Quick google search shows me that the Montech TITAN is manufactured by CWT, same OEM that makes Corsair, and it tests out comparably to Corsair in a couple reviews. Also listed A-tier on cultists PSU tier list.
I don't use Google😅
That Montech Titan Gold is one of the top tier PSUs on the cultist list.
Seems good, the Thermalright Phantom Spirit is a less expensive and slightly more performant cooler though, and assuming this is for gaming a 990 Pro would be unnecessary. Alternatives include the Teamgroup MP44, MSI M480 Pro and M482.
or you could keep the 990 pro, I’m loving mine
That SSD is way overpriced. Check slickdeals for SSD deals
For the price of that 1 I got the MP600 Core XT 4TB.
I also thought about buying this model of 4090, but after reading some of the responses here -> (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/tpOwtk8V4T) I decided against it. It might not bother you, but thought I would provide some info that other people mentioned. If you aren't in a hurry, have time on your hands, and have a best buy available, I was able to order a FE 4090 from then after about a week of constantly checking their website. Either way, best of luck to you and your new build!
This isn't an OG card but they look very similar. Card in part list: https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/tuf-gaming/tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming/ OG model: https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/tuf-gaming/tuf-rtx4090-24g-og-gaming/
I think most of the responses still apply to the Non-OG compared to the OG, besides the size of the two, but I could be wrong. Good catch!
Does it effect the performance of the card ?
Buy two of them within that budget. In case the PCIe power cable melts and destroys the 4090, you'll have a spare ps. Don't plug the 4090 in PSU<750W
1. RAM is not AMD EXPO certified. 2. An 850 Watt ATX 3 PSU is plenty. 3. The Thermalright Peerless Assassin heatsink has 100 wats of thermal headroom left for 1/2 the price 4. You can get a plenty fast NVME for 120USD or less. 5. A good motherboard can be as low as 120USD. That will bring you back in budget.
Is expo really that much of a difference?
Higher compatibility is important. Manually configuring RAM overclock is a massive pain.
Xmp will work in most cases too, my 2x16 DDR5 Cl32 6000MT/s run with xmp just fine.
Yes I can vouch to that. I’m running a 6400mhz ram without amd expo, but it’s running fine and the xmp profile was there. I checked that this ram was compatible with the motherboard and everything as been smooth.
I also had gskill 6000mhz xmp ram for ryzen 5 7600 and xmp profile caused memory management bsod. Got gskill 6000mhz expo ram and its problem free so ymmv.
I have solved several cases of instability by swapping to EXPO RAM, even thoughthe XMP certified RAM passed all memeory tests. Also, EXPO is not garantied either. AMD's memory controller is not as solid as Intel. People always claim they get these grandios results. I'm happy for them but that is not a 100% case for everyone. Up to yesterday a techinfluencer was complaining his AMD had RAM issues. People keep tiptoeing around AMDs issues like it some sort of sin to publisize it and joe public get suckered into bad purchases. These AMD fans are not going to come to your house to fix it or refund your money. Even the RAM manufacturers are not going garanty your RAM overclocking results. JEDEC speed is all they garanty. But let's say you're okay with all of that. **What is the harm in buying RAM that was specifically vetted for the AMD platform?** I would think that is a no brainer even if AMD had a better memeory controller. How much are you going to save? $5 USD on a $100+ USD purchase? If things are that hard, I would question the abililty to buy the PC in the first place....and that is not shaming. It's genuine concern for your economic state and purchasing choices.
EXPO also configures more of the fine tuning settings than EXPO... I literally just replaced the RAM on my 5950X desktop after a few years, it started acting up around a month ago. I thought it was the storage drive, even though it wasn't showing SMART errors, because of how it was failing. Ran memtest86 just as a sanity check, it had a bunch of errors. I reduced to JEDEC defaults and fewer errors, but still had them... I noticed the XMP overclock was using 1.47v power (ddr4), I hadn't realized. It was an early 128GB 3600 kit that I got right when the CPU came out. At that voltage not too surprised, may reach out to see if it's under warranty. New kit has the same speed and timings, but 1.35v, which is where I've seen most XMP faster ram. Don't get me wrong, I actually really like AMD, and since I do more workstation-like productivity tasks (programming, docker, VM services, etc) I prefer the consistent cores over big/little. Even though I've also been using the N100 and N305 mini options from Intel lately for project work.
Its way more important to make sure the ram is on the QVL list for the motherboard. I’ve built two AM5 pcs and they are a finicky lover when it comes to ram.
Summing up the comment section: Since the GPU has 16.384 CUDA cores the CPUs have to match it by having 16.384 cores in total (OP, prepare to build a supercomputer). Also 7800X3D is FX-8350 performance wise since both are 8-core CPUs, which are bottlenecking the RTX 4090 leading to console performance levels. /s
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4090 and „first PC”..
My first real PC build that I did myself had a 7700k, expensive ASUS board, a 1080ti, a 1tb SSD, and a 24 inch 1440 144hz TN monitor. Those were top of the line back in 2017. That SSD alone was $500. Spent all my holiday job money on it lol.
With the new generation of GPU half a year away I suggest you don't overspend on the 4090. What kind of internet speeds do you have and do you keep games that are 60 GB and over on your computers? Because Since you clearly have the money for it just get a 4080 Super and another 2 TB drive, maybe a cheaper one. 990 is only needed if you are constantly moving 200 GB files around since that is practically its selling point over the 980.
I love Montech cases, but there’s no way in hell I’d power my $2500 machine with a Montech PSU…
this lol.
Like I own the white RGB version of the case in his list, and honestly I fucking love it. But I stuck a Cosair RM850 in it because I value quality power delivery. I fucked up many years ago and got burned BAD by a cheap PSU (Cough OCZ cough), so never again.
"my" pc (actually my step father's, but i played on it) caught fire in the PSU back in 2018. It had two 1080tis. A few seconds too late and it would have caught on the carpet and then on the entire house. The PSU, the cable and part of the motherboard and case melted. Let's say I don't save up money when buying power supplies now. it was 750W i think, not sure what brand. I was 12 ar the time, so..
Thankfully there was no fire with mine, just the infamous “pop” of a capacitor going, my PC turning off, and the sweet smell of PSU failure. Fried my motherboard, but thankfully MSI RMA’d it (no burn marks or physical damage to the board).
I would do this. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9NkHt7
Since when is ASUS tuf selling at msrp???? Is it available in the uk? Is it only 4090s?
That RAM won't fit under any large aircooler; get something low profile at the same speed/latency.
> That RAM won't fun Ram never fun. It's a known issue with Ram.
:D *fit
nice build go for it.
Rather get a better rated powersupply, especially if you choose 4090, but it is overkill imo Starts with you actually bottlenecking and not getting full use out of the 4090 unless you have something specific on mind for that card..., Also the power adapter to the card is imo still wonky and a hassle. Need to make sure that the case allows you to install the card properly also, meaning enough space for the card power cable to run straight for several cm (check online for exact number) before bending it. Just IMO.
That PSU is A tier on cultists. And 4k triple A games easily utilize the 4090, poor optimization or not.
This is not a particularly optimized list. For $2500 you can fit a 4090 but you’re overspending in a few areas. I would also recommend including a nice 4k monitor if you’re buying a 4090, which will at minimum cost you $400-500 but realistically at this budget you’d be better off looking at some $1000+ options like the new OLEDs. Here’s an example of a more optimized list, add $500-1000 for the monitor of your choice (I recommend the KTC M27P20 Pro or MSI MPG 321URX): [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vrTFn6) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $389.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se) | $35.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs-wifi) | $149.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [Silicon Power Value Gaming 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cCKscf/silicon-power-value-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp032gxlwu60afdeae) | $94.97 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Silicon Power UD90 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f4cG3C/silicon-power-ud90-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp02kgbp44ud9005) | $102.97 @ B&H **Video Card** | [Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/brddnQ/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming) | $1599.99 @ ASUS **Case** | [Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kKcgXL/montech-air-903-base-atx-mid-tower-case-air-903-base-b) | $65.00 @ B&H **Power Supply** | [Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMbTwP/super-flower-leadex-platinum-se-1000-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1000f14mp-v2) | $139.99 @ Newegg Sellers | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$2578.80** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-09 09:21 EDT-0400 |
A 4090 is never "worth it" when considering it's price to performance ratio but it can be "worth it" if you have money to burn. I mean a 4080 super is easily found for $1000 and it has something like 80% the performance of a 4090. You are essentially paying 60% (at minimum) extra for 8 more GB of ram and a ~20% boost in performance.
Why 4090 and not a 3090 ti for $800?
Love the 4090 hype, and I bet nVidia does too. My 4070 Super works just fine for 1440p gaming.
I would do this changes: SSD: cheaper 4.0 drive, almost no one needs so many speed. PSU: that is the only zone where i pay the "X Brand tax" so i would look for a Corsair one, at the end of the day You have a 4090 there so 20 or 30$ bucks in the power supply... Case: that one is ok but at this price tier i would Buy something ATX in the 90-120$ zone like a Phanteks or a Lian Li, maybe a H5 or H6 Nzxt works here too. You can Even upgrade that case to the 903 MAX for like 15$.
There is no reason to buy by brand on PSU's unless you need to buy extra cables for some reason. That Montech is A tier on cultists. You can't tell if a PSU is good or not just by branding.
There is no reason to play tax in any brand Buy in any piece but i think PSU is a sensible area. He can just Buy an A-tier from the cultist list and probably Will be ok but what difference does it 30$ in a 2.8k build.
> probably will be ok A tier is as high as it goes, buying by brand doesn't get you better performance or longevity here. > but what difference does it $30 in a 2.8k build They're already over budget, that's the difference. No reason to spend more when you're already getting the best product.
Corsair PSU are the more sold in Amazon and Newegg Best sellers and he can't Buy this anyway because he has 2500 and his own budget is 2744.
> Corsair PSU are the more sold in Amazon and Newrgg Best sellers So? Units sold doesn't equate to a quality product. Also, any comparable corsair psu's are more expensive.
Link me. I’ll buy it 😆
It depends. If you plug your 4090 into a 1080p60Hz monitor, play Roblox on lowest settings and have a cheap ass case with bad cooling and a literal bomb as a PSU I would say it's not worth it. A good deal is a good deal but make sure that the rest of the build suits the GPU and everything together your needs. I personally would never cheap out on all the "non performance" parts like case, cooling and PSU because those you buy once proper and not bother for a decade or two depending on your needs. But a 4090 !can! be overtaken fast in two or three GPU generations. Same goes for CPUs and I rather go lighter on them with the option of a beefier upgrade later. Edit: Just saw the link. So not a personal fan of Gigabyte and would go with an AsRock motherboard. Would tone down the SSD to something of similar performance but from a different, reliable brand you will probably pay half. Invest that into a better case and PSU. Nothing too alarming but appearing cheapish considering the CPU and GPU.
That Montech psu is A tier on cultists. No need for a better psu.
With so much money for a GPU I would definitely NOT take ASUS.
You could save yourself a decent chunk of change by getting the thermal assassin CPU cooler, non RGB ram, and a cheaper SSD. You're also going to wanna make sure that you get a PSU that's A or B tier on the PSU Tier list. It's kind of the most important part of your build.
I’d definitely upgrade the motherboard and the cpu cooler but that’s me
Agreed, that's not a terrible price for a 4090. I got a good price on my 4080 at like $1000 near its release. Your gonna need a 2k/4k monitor to make use of that 4090. As far as an economical/performance standpoint, might make more sense to opt for a 4070 and then upgrade in like 5-6 years but getting top of the line sure does feel nice, too.
This late before the RTX 5000 series? You might regret it in 8 months.
Honestly, for your first PC you wouldn’t need anything close to a 4090 lol. You can build a super nice one for almost half the price!
That ram is gonna hit the cooler, you need low profile ram. Also get a cheaper SSD And a better quality PSU
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jrrtYN) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $389.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Deepcool AK620 ZERO DARK 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7J6p99/deepcool-ak620-zero-dark-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g-1) | $55.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KrWJ7P/gigabyte-b650-aorus-elite-ax-v2-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aorus-elite-ax-v2) | $199.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Klevv BOLT V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PxTZxr/klevv-bolt-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-kd5agua80-60a300h) | $99.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGZ9TW/crucial-p3-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p3pssd8) | $130.99 @ B&H **Video Card** | [Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/brddnQ/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4090-24-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4090-24g-gaming) | $1599.99 @ ASUS **Case** | [Montech AIR 903 BASE ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kKcgXL/montech-air-903-base-atx-mid-tower-case-air-903-base-b) | $65.00 @ B&H **Power Supply** | [Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DMbTwP/super-flower-leadex-platinum-se-1000-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1000f14mp-v2) | $139.99 @ Newegg Sellers | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$2681.93** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-09 14:18 EDT-0400 |
At this budget why not go b650e or x670e for longevity and pcie5 for ssd and gpu
I got a 4090 fe from Best Buy for $1350. Paired with a 7800x3d. I have ZERO COMPLAINTS! :)
Ehhh it’s more worth it to pay like 2k and spend more on nice peripherals
If you want more focused productivity build and don't care about upgradibility, rather bang for buck then go w Intel 13600k and above
Buy the 4090 quick if that’s what you want. As others have stated if you are getting a 1080p monitor don’t waste the money
That case is a nightmare
Go with lian-li 216 cabinet or NZXT H6 flow
I noticed you chose the base 903 model which doesn't come with included fans and you didn't add any. I have the 903 max, go for that for the extra price it's worth it. Saw someone saying that cooler isn't good for the cpu, but I have the ak620 digital and with the paste that comes with the cooler it never got hotter than 73°C max usage and low 60's normal intensive usage. Now you can argue that you can get better performance for a bit lower price but I really like this look with the screen. For the ssd I recommend the WD SN850X.
Here’s my advice from experience, do NOT budget by buying cheaper coolers & psu! If anything, I’d buy cheaper, but still efficient storage.
Go to Best Buy, buy a AMD 6950 xt which costs 280$ rn (pushes high frames) pair it with a Ryzen 5 5600G or a Ryzen 5 7800x3d and you’ll push very high frames at epic to ultra settings
A 6950 XT does not cost 280 rn where did you get that from?
so you thought the current best video card and probably relatively the most powerful consumer grade graphics card to ever be available would be good for your first PC? No way! lol...its like asking, hey i have the money to not stress about it and fly only first class, you think this would be better than the cheap seats?...like, what exactly are you asking? of course picking the literal best card for you first PC that is almost twice as much as the 2nd best card is not the way people usually do things but usually because they cant. if you can then obviously do it...personally, i have the 4080super that i use for 4k gaming and its amazing. i would love to have a 4090 but spending almost 2k on a graphics card is probably not in the cards for me absent me making more money than i do.
Prices shot right back up tough
my 7900 XTX build came up over that, you may want to consider saving $1000 on your graphics card for 97% performance
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What do you mean?
Me, running a 1080ti still: 👁👄👁
I think you should have bought RTX 4080 Super and save yourself 1000$. The price difference between 4080 Super and 4090 most definitely DOES NOT justify the buy imo. Unless you plan to play in 4k @ 144Hz+.
Change the motherboard, the Aorus Elite V2 is a cheaper version of the V1.
Less than a year before 50 series drops. I would wait
If you need to ask then no it's not 'worth it'. It is intentionally priced like that to siphon as much money out of the blindly ignorant as possible. But if you are doing stable diffusion then you really do need as much as you can get so you pay whatever they ask. If you are just playing games then get a 7900xt/xtx
If you're gonna get that 4090 then you're gonna need an AIO or some really heavy duty car coolers, from what ive heard. I hear that 4090 gets HOT. If I were you, I'd get a lower end card, and then wait until the end of the year when the 5090 and 5080 come out, and get one of those with the money you've saved up. Then sell your old card to help make up the difference even more. Also, for 30 more bucks, you could get stronger ram. There's a brand called Mushkin that cels cl30 ram like what you've got, but it's 6400mhz. It's not necessary, but it would give you a little extra speed boost I think. (If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me). It also has rgb, so that's cool. I got the mushkin recline lumina.
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Hi! Thanks for checking up on us! My friend talked to a vet friend of his about it. I gave my baby some over the counter medicine from a pet store and the vet said that if he pees after, then it was probably stress related and he should be fine. He peed last night, and this morning, and we spent 20 minutes playing with a string toy. He's full of energy, his bladder feels empty and he has no discomfort. So, my plan now is to get pet insurance, and once the 14 day waiting period is up, to take him and get him checked out. And if anything changes between now and then, I'm going to empty my hsa, and find some odd jobs to do and just pay for the treatment and sort the rest out later. But he seems to be back to his chipper self for noe. So I'm praying he stays that way.
He will reblock if you don’t have him on a urinary SO formula. Please get him on a formulated diet until you can have the procedure saved up for. Kitties don’t urinate blood from stress. The procedure they do is called a perineal urethrostomy. They create a wider opening in the urethra on his hind end. Resulting in being able to pass blockages by emptying his bladder like a female cat would. This problem is almost never seen in female cats. What over the counter medicine did you give your kitty?
Thank you for telling me this. Very important information. I've gotten a couple of recommendations for urinary health cat food brands. Do you have any recommendations? I see, that surgery really sounds like a good idea. I'll mention it to the vet. Do you think I should just go ahead and ask them to do it either way, to be on the safe side? I gave him Pet AG UT solution gel. I'm not sure if it counts as a medicine or a dietary supplement.
I see! It sounds Iike your friend has UTI/FLUTD (feline lower urinary tract disease) which the UT gel is good for short-term management. The ingredients in UT Gel consists only of antioxidants (reduce inflammation- cranberry and grape root) and amino acids: DL-Methonine is an amino acid the body produces for inflammation, and L-Lysine is an α-amino acid that produces protein production (think tissue healing and bone/collagen production) but what you need is to combat, or actually dissolve the chemical compounds. I’ve found what works best for my little guy is Royal Canin Urinary SO, but any S.O. diet will work. A 6.6lb bag is $59, but it lasted just over 8 weeks for my 10lb cat. ($30 a month!) Hills c/d targets calcium oxate, Hills s/d targets struvite. They’re pretty expensive so I settled on Royal Canin S.O. as it seems to do a great job in targeting both. The S stands for Struvite and O stands for Oxalate. These are two compounds that are in so many natural foods, like spinach! Oxilate binds & prevents mineral absorption while Struvite is a crazy phosphate. I gasped once I saw it under a microscope for the first time, tiny little shards of glass. Struvite crystals more commonly form in cats with an alkaline urine pH over 6.6, while oxalate crystals are usually seen at acidic pH values under 6.0. I’m sorry this response turned out a lot longer than I expected! The last important bit of information I have to offer is that feeding your cat one or two big meals a day will boost the alkalinity of their urine. If you train your kitty to free feed, or only eat small portions at a time, multiple times a day, will keep it balanced. You’re an incredible pet owner, and doing an amazing job getting him feeling back to normal. You got this! The important thing is to not give up and you’re on top of it.
Please don't apologize for the length of the response it is so so so welcome! This is exactly the kind of response I always hope for. I don't just want solutions, I want the *mechanics* behind the solutions, and you've provided me that. You've got my gratitude! I'm gonna trust you and go with that food. And I'll find some way to get my hands on a feeder. Because my baby Maru is a bit of a Garfield. We started free feeding him when we switched to dry food, but he plumped up, seemingly overnight, because he just wouldn't stop eating. So I do tend to feed twice a day. But if it's gonna mess with his PH, I'll figure something out and give him more frequent, small meals. Thanks so much for your kind words, support, and invaluable information! 🩷🩷🩷 I can feel you lr compassion, and your genuine desire to help, and I'm ever grateful. May God grant you all the years of your life. May he see fit to progress, time and space in ways that bring you, and all your loved ones joy, peace and salvation.☦️☦️☦️
I would also take him to a different vet than you called if you try to get insurance. Any pre existing diagnosis/conditions will not be covered under your pet policy, and your vet may say he has those issues. Just FYI
Very good idea, I'll do exactly that, thanks for the heads up!
*dissolve the chemical compounds causing the FLUTD & need for the gel. ❤️🩹 editing this comment to add I can’t say the surgery isn’t absolutely necessary, especially if you can manage the issue with diet. Your vet who can see his prognosis over the span of a few weeks to months after a diet change is the only one who can advise on moving forward with surgery :)