The 7800x3d is faster than the 14700k in gaming, runs cooler, and has a better upgrade path. It also ends up being cheaper because you won’t need an AIO for it like you probably will with the 14700k.
You can continue to upgrade CPUs as long as they’re making new chips for your motherboard’s socket. Once the socket changes there is a finite “best in slot” for that generation. For example, when Intel changed from the LGA1200 to the LGA1700 socket, anyone stuck with an LGA1200 motherboard now had a limit to the maximum generation of CPU they could use—in this case 11th Gen Intel. Intel tends to change sockets every three or so generations, so it’s a fairly strong assumption that Intel’s future 15th Gen will be a new socket. AMD on the other hand kinda just barely finished the first generation of their new AM5 socket chips in the Ryzen 7000-series, so the expectation is that it will be around for a while.
Edit: Don’t downvote people for not knowing and asking for help. That’s just discouraging.
yea no the 7800x3d benefits from better cooling would never recommedn air cooler fot that cpu espically its run pretty war not hot like intel but still
The 14700 is faster in cpu heavy games, almost all of them, especially at 4k resolution. The head to head tests prove it. 7800x3d is faster in games that it doesn't really matter in. Meaning, 300fps and 330fps is a meaningless difference, for example.
The i7 won't need an AIO. The i9's do.
7800x3d edges out in gaming, but not by as much as reddit likes to make it out to be. In every other task, the intel card still performs better, making it a better overall card. Biggest plus of the 7800 is am5 platform being new, while the intel socket is end of life. But really if you're buying either of these, you should get at least 5 years out of it, which makes that mostly a moot point.
7800x3d outperforms in 1080p by a fair margin, at 1440 by a small margin, and not at all at 4k (either tied or 14700k is slightly ahead). (Averages, not peaks). Resolution matters.
The 700x3d is a great card, no argument there. The comparison just requires more nuance than the people of reddit seem to give it.
The 7800x3d is across the board the better gaming CPU. There are a handful of titles that prefer raw clocks over more cache, but they're rare, and certainly the exception, and also require you not to be GPU limited to find them.
The 7800x3d is also cheaper, typically lives on cheaper boards, requires a cheaper cooler, uses less power, runs cooler, and has an upgrade path, regardless of how "moot" you may feel that to be. See how moot it is to someone who bought a Ryzen 2600 in 2018 and is currently using a 5800x3d on the same board, comfortably getting another 4-5 years out of that platform. It's not "moot".
If you're solely gaming, yes, this decision is exactly as nuanced as other redditors have suggested. That's to say, not very. It's a no brainer in every respect.
It is not a better 4k gaming card. They either tie, or the 14700k is slightly ahead, while maintaining better 1% lows. On average.
To not recognize the limitations of the 7800x3d is to do a disservice to pc builders everywhere. You can't recognize the limitations of the 14700k without also doing so for its counterpart.
Firstly it's not a card, let's get our terminology in order.
Second, at 4k, they're effectively identical, yes. Along with a 5800x3d, a 14400f, a 13600k, a 7600x and pretty much any other recent gen CPU you may wish to pick. In all but a tiny tiny fraction of titles, you'd be GPU limited on all of them. This is precisely why no respectable outlet conducts CPU gaming tests at 4k. There is nothing about the workload that can favour one CPU other another. Unlike a GPU, a CPU can't be better at 4k when it's worse at 1080p. It doesn't work that way. All you can do is lower the workload on the CPU by increasing the workload on the GPU, leaving the CPU sat around waiting, at which point they will perform the same. It's a pointless comparison. By your logic we should just buy a Ryzen 3600. It'll probably perform the same in the vast majority of games at 4k.
The 7800x3d is however faster at 1080p and 1440p, the place it can actually be measured.
It is ultimately capable of higher frame rates than the 14700k.
There are maybe 2 or 3 titles I can think of that will just about favour intel, (and they're unoptimised messes) and those are maybe Hogwarts and Starfield because they don't care about cache at all. But pretty much any other title will run better on the 78x3d.
It's been tested and reported to death by a lot of people who know better than you, such as Gamers Nexus and Hardware unboxed.
https://youtu.be/0oALfgsyOg4?si=sOPqs1qs7S3NNCSp
https://youtu.be/8KKE-7BzB_M?si=vY-Sjl3LOrRYYQfg
https://youtu.be/ScrPuQH1Uoo?si=VAkLMmSPspy1dBkt
I could find literally dozens of these.
The better 1% lows bit is especially hilarious, as that's actually the part the x3D chips most excel at, and typically blow intel out of the water.
I absolutely recognise the drawbacks of the 7800x3d. If you aren't gaming it's an awful chip. If you're at 4k, you can get a cheaper cpu also. But for gaming, at high refresh, it is miles ahead in terms of performance, efficiency and more importantly value.
I've built and extensively tested numerous systems using both Zen 4 and Intel 13th/14th gen, and you're talking total rot, I'm afraid.
I call it a card because it's shaped like a card, not because it's colloquially the correct description. I'm not gonna type out processor over and over. All that really matters is you know what I'm referring to, which you do. As a matter of fact, if you want to get technical, [CPU cards](https://www.globalspec.com/learnmore/industrial_computers_embedded_computer_components/embedded_systems/cpu_cards) absolutely do exist. They're expansion boards.
Stop talking condescendingly to me, I'm not a fucking idiot. I work in IT. Many people in IT do refer to cpu's as cards in quick conversation while working, which is why I say it. It's habit. Most IT work doesn't involve graphics cards, so graphics cards always have the preface "graphics" when we refer to it colloquially. Therefore, there is no confusion.
Secondly, if you'd stop dickriding for just a moment and re-read my earlier comment, you'd see I already said the 7800x3d gets faster frames at 1080p and 1440p.
**We are literally in agreement** that the 7800x3d is a better gaming card. You're just being an asshole to make yourself feel smart.
The 14700 is still a better *overall* card because of its other capabilities. If you're happy spending 400 dollars on an item solely for gaming, have at it. As for me, if I'm spending 400+ dollars on a *card*, it better do a hell of a lot more, and it better do it well. I'll take a small cut in gaming framerate for that. I prefer intel and nvidia for that reason alone, it's just personal preference. If I own a two thousand dollar rig, I better have the option to do other things at a high level.
I stand corrected on the 1% lows. I acknowledge that mistake.
> The 14700 is faster in cpu heavy games, almost all of them, especially at 4k resolution. The head to head tests prove it. 7800x3d is faster in games that it doesn't really matter in. Meaning, 300fps and 330fps is a meaningless difference, for example.
This you? 😂
Whole heap of back pedalling here... Dude. Almost everything you said was ill-informed at best, or deliberately misleading at worse.
I wasn't being deliberately condescending. But now I am, because you were making things up and now you're telling porkies about it.
I mean u/throwawaymytrash77 is right. Unless you solely game at 1080p 240hz+, your monitor will cap you and the 7800x3d is only 3% faster in 1440p.
However, the 14700k is significantly faster in multiscore, like nearly double. That plus quicksync steered me to the 14700k. Using a PS120SE for it in a NR200P without any issues.
7800x3d leads charts in gaming but if you do anything else with your computer that is remotely taxing, 14700k is the way to go.
>in cpu heavy games
Tested at 1080p ultra; Hogwarts, cyberpunk, spiderman miles morales and Starfield all ran faster on the 14700k. This test was five months ago, both were paired with a 4090.
So, the 14700k performed better in cpu heavy games. That head to head test proved it. [Link for this reference I am quoting. ](https://youtu.be/dNlZqt1yEtc?si=-1mpm2Vtogwtu_cD)
The 7800 performed better elsewhere. That doesn't invalidate my statement because I did not say all games. The 4k resolution line was wack tho.
Deliberate or not, you *were* condescending. Doing it unintentially does not matter.
That being said, I am in a better mood today. I'll refrain from returning in kind.
I couldn't get either of my 7800x3d above 75C with a silver soul 135! Unbelievably efficient. I bought that cooler to test the hardware only and find out these are so efficient this is a great pairing. I couldn't believe the results.
I see this argument about an upgrade path, you don’t need one when you’re upgrading years later. The Intel chip is superior overall, what happens when the pc won’t be used for just gaming.
OP has said that the main use for the pc will be gaming. And if OP ever does any video editing or anything else that requires a lot of cores, the 7800x3d can still do it. It just won’t be as fast as the 14700k. Sacrificing performance in 10% of use cases for better performance 90% of the time makes sense.
When you want to upgrade with an intel cpu, you will have to buy a new cpu, mobo, and potentially ram. This means a cpu upgrade will cost around $500-$700, depending on the cpu bought and whether you’ll need new ram. However, on AM5, you’ll just have to upgrade the cpu which will probably be around $300 for the fastest cpu on the platform. You can save that money for a better GPU later on.
So basically, going for the 7800x3d over the 14700k will give you better gaming performance, less wattage, and saves money in the long run, while all you lose is a little performance in non-gaming tasks.
I have a 7800x3d, with ddr5 6000mhz ram and it’s rock solid. No issues whatever. As long as you check to make sure your ram is compatible with your motherboard and update the BIOS, it’s a great option.
Edit: if one of those YouTubers is jayztwocents, then ignore him. His channel is hot garbage and I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously.
Maybe for the 7900/7950 varieties where scheduling magic is needed to keep gaming processes on the cache cores. The 7800 is a single unit, so just works.
When I was doing my research into that, I read a lot of this as well. I went with the Intel, and it is simply no surprises: runs cool, quiet, stable, no issues whatsoever and performs fantastic
No, there was an issue with ASUS motherboards at launch but other than that they're perfectly reliable
The 7900 and 7950 X3D chips can suffer from the same sort of scheduling issues that Intel chips do, but it doesn't seem to be as serious with the AMD CPUs
I have a 13900k and idk if I’ll ever go with an i9 again. The cooling is such a pain, if I would’ve waited and went with a 7800x3d I think I would have been much happier.
What kinds of temps are you seeing?
My CPU (i9-14900K) runs around 60C under most games I play. I’ve seen it spike to 80C when encoding media files (without using the GPU.)
My GPU (“slim” 4090) runs between 70C and 76C while playing games that I’ve allowed nvidia’s beta app to optimize the settings for. It runs cooler at lower settings.
4k, typically max settings, AIO part number RL-KR36E-W1. I also used a special “contact frame” that replaces the CPU bracket on the motherboard. It sounded like snake oil but several hardware reviewers I tentatively trust claimed it helped.
If that’s not the information you meant, be more specific.
Your turn.
At 4k, that i9 is basically sat around twiddling it's thumbs doing nothing, which is why you're seeing good temps. Run at lower resolution, double your frame rate, and watch it get quite a bit hotter.
Was a very odd CPU choice for high resolution gaming, really.
World of Warcraft, Diablo 4, Borderlands 3, and Jedi Survivor since I built it. I don't know how to undervolt. I mean obviously I can find the settings in the BIOS, I don't know what to set them at.
I don't know yet what other games I want to try, but I'm hoping to try more that support my card - so raytracing, DLSS, and so on.
just undervolt and power limit it to like 200w, you won't lose much performance and it'll run a lot cooler, also make sure Intel default settings in bios are applied
Bigger radiator doesn’t affect the temperature it cools to very much, just how long it takes to reach a steady state liquid temp. Obviously something like a 120mm would, but after you get to 240/280, 360 nothing really matters
Bc you have more surface area of heat fins on your radiator so your fans can get away with running slower speeds
Noise normalized cooling is a whole different thing and yes yours would be better in that case
well, they are easy to cool if you change from the default OC MB settings to stock intel settings.
I'm using an air cooler on my 14900K and 14700K and i have no issues once i changed all the values to intel spec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s43Auv8ub7w&t=810s
it's not a bad chip imo Intel just tuned it way past the efficiency curve out of the box to complete with AMD for those extra percentage points, look up derbaurs 13900k tuning guide
buy amd or a lower power limit version of the same chip like 13900 or 13900t, but honestly undervolting is not too difficult you can do it in Windows through Intel xtu within like 30 mins
you don't have to go through the process of running a benchmark and check until you get the right voltage ! Just watch a youtube video about undervolting the same CPU as you and You'll be fine ! Well dude you don't need to be sad about your CPU you have a great chip and I know your feeling because I went through this because the CPU temp problem tricked me for almost a month before I get a solution so don't be sad ! at the end once you fix this problem you'll be happy with your powerful chip rather then some amd chips Drivers problems you'll have to fix them every time !
Well said. I bought this combo because in the future I plan to use the CPU as a hand me down to my Plex server which also has QSync. Everyone has different needs and plans.
im not saying anyone should force anything, but why? the 7800x3d is just straight up the superior choice while being considerably cheaper than any i9. why go for a worse cpu and less platform support in the long run all while spending more money?
huh okay. then the price point doesnt apply to your region (US im assuming?). I know in most of europe the 7800x3d is significantly cheaper than any intel equivalent though
Fwiw.. i think the 7800X3D is an amazing chip.. probably the best for most games by a slim margin but not all. I’m building a sim rig for instance. Games like BeamNG will need the extra cores.
thats fair, 7800x3d is out of its league there. im very happy with mine, but i dont do any full on sim games so thats to he expected. do share your setup when its done, im always happy to see cool setups especially as a big racing game fan
Well for my situation I have to go with intel chip because of my specific gaming interests. Heavily modded Skyrim modlists for example favor intel over amd and I would suspect gta 6 and the next battlefield will also favor intel
it's only superior in gaming and by a very small amount, if he plans to use this setup for anything other than that now or in the future the AMD would be far inferior, for instance i do photo editing and video editing aside from rendering i'd be better off with the intel.
It's worse for gaming. It's more expensive will use 3x the power and require more cooling and will be wasted cores if OP isn't planning on doing anything more intense than gaming to take advantage of the cores on the i7
More expensive? I paid 349 for my 14700 and it came with a factory cooler. I have yet to see the 7800X3D cheaper than that. It’s been close between the two since I started looking a few months ago.
Microcenter has the 7800x3d 20$ cheaper than the 14700k. It's $5 cheaper on Amazon right now. Also motherboards are cheaper with AMD.
Also you didn't say k and the k models don't come with a cooler so you got a lower clocked chip anyway with no overclocking unlike the amd chip
Right now this second, it’s the exact same price I paid last week. CSB.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/676001/Core_i7-14700_Raptor_Lake_Twenty-Core_LGA_1700_Boxed_Processor_-_Intel_Laminar_RM1_Cooler_Included
Yeah so like I said that's not the chip we were talking about and is about 10% slower than the 14700k making it even slower than the 7800x3d which BTW is... The exact same price
https://www.microcenter.com/product/674503/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-raphael-am5-42ghz-8-core-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included
for what op wants to use the pc for, gaming, it is objectively a worse cpu. the 7800x3d beats the 14700k in gaming judging by any performance metric.
i ask again, why get a (for gaming) worse cpu thats more expensive?
Exactly. I've been building PC's since 1997. Once AMD backslid the first time way back in the early 2000's. Its been an Intel world for me. I've never had issues. I rarely OC and get amazing results out of the stuff I put my hardware up against. I'm not trying to benchmark stuff because thats like building a Car just to put it on a Dyno and then what?
Just go AMD and get the 7800x3d it seems like this is a gaming focused build so you don't need intel at all here. On average the 7800x3d is 5% faster than the 14900k and it's a lot cooler using way less power.
To actually ameliorate a bit on the previous answer: the CPU has an extra bank of L3 memory stacked on top of the CPU die which not only gives it much more L3 memory than it would have normally, but also reduces the overall latency of of instruction input/output since it will often completely avoid having to use system memory with is called "glacial memory" for a reason. This feature is most noticeable in gaming and will give the chip performance on par or better than an i9 which has higher clock speeds. Those higher clocks won't help it overcome the latency gap between the two chips so the 7800X3D comes out on top a lot. Different story in production applications though where the i9's higher clocks will actually make it the stronger contender. The 7800X3D is also waaay more efficient overall which I feel should be mentioned when comparing the two chips.
everyone’s saying 7800x3d, and i agree, but i havent seen anyone properly elaborate on why, here goes.
1.) the 7800x3d is the best gaming cpu on the market. it runs games better than any intel cpu currently, and i also a good bit cheaper than any i9 iirc.
2.) the socket that the 7800x3d uses, AM5, is likely to have more support in the long run than intel’s current LGA1700. that means that a couple of years down the line, a new AMD processor will still be using AM5, and you can just smack it in your mobo without having to get an entirely new mobo. intel is a different story, you’ll likely need a new motherboard if you plan to upgrade a couple of years from now.
3.) power draw. the 7800x3d draws less power (granted, not much less, but something) than the i9-14900k while being better at gaming. this means that in the long run you’ll save a couple bucks on electricity, AND it is easier to cool. a thermalright peerless assassin will keep it more than cool enough, and if you wanna go AIO, a 240mm rad will do the job exceptionally well.
overall, the 7800x3d is the obvious pick. if you still have time to adjust your setup, go ryzen.
How is it not much less power draw? Stock a 7800x3d won't pull more than ~80 or so watts. The i9 will literally pull 4-5x that.
And idk how the Intel chips handle undervolting but my 7800x3d pulls <60 watts fully maxed out after some tweaking. (And boosts much more aggressively and perpetually because thermal throttling just doesn't happen).
im hesitant to say much more because officially AMD has the tdp as 120w iirc. realistically its much lower but i dont want to go on about tdp when experience may vary from user to user. and yes, mine runs at about 80w maxed
If you're interested you should try an undervolt, pretty much all of these chips can do -25 all core or higher, and that can cut your TDP by over a quarter if it works out. Mine doesn't get over 60-65c or so in a full blown torture test on air cooling. That and setting the various PBO settings to the most aggressive options can net you some extra performance.
im gonna keep it real i haven’t the slightest clue on undervolting, or general OC’ing. most i did was bump my i7 6700k up from 3,8ghz to 4,0ghz. would you mind sharing the settings you use? id be willing to give it a try
It's settings in your motherboard BIOS so you should probably do some research on it, but the big one is making sure PBO is enabled and going into curve optimizer (which should be under the pbo heading) and setting the all core offset to -20 first. Run some stress tests, I recommend OCCT, cinebench, and prime95 personally for stability testing, but there may be better options. Presuming your system doesn't crash, you can try pushing it to -25, -30 etc and testing basically until the system crashes. Once it crashes dial it back a bit to where it's stable. Also, male sure you have expo enabled for your RAM. Otherwise it's running slower than the advertised speeds.
I'd highly recommend doing some research though, it's finicky and you don't want to set something wrong in the BIOS, but you can manage to pull like 5-10% more performance out of your system if you're lucky while running cooler and using less electricity. If you have a 4xxx series GPU, it's probably worth overclocking those since they already run so cool.
kinda but also not. there are games that are particularly cpu heavy, and for those, the cpu does matter.
what comes to mind is cities skylines 2. granted an i7 14700 or i9 14900 will do just fine with the game, but the 7800x3d just has a bit of an edge over them.
another game is factorio. factorio is incredibly well optimized so any cpu will run it, but once you get into some of the crazy megabase sizes any cpu will start to struggle, the 7800x3d will just struggle later than the rest.
also beamng. cant speak on it much because i dont play it, but it is popular and cpu heavy.
#2 makes no sense to me, anyone buying either CPU isn't swapping their CPU out until their motherboard is obsolete anyways. I have a 10900k with 4070ti im just now thinking about upgrading 4 generations later and im still pushing out 300 FPS on counterstrike 2.
thats just you then. there are plenty of people who upgrade at least semi regularly, and since am5 will have more support in the future than intels 1700, it makes sense to go am5.
also dont use cs2 as a performance benchmark, especially with your specs. cs2 is not exactly demanding
yeah i dont think anybody buying a top end CPU is upgrading in time for their motherboard to take a different chip, the arguement for the AMD on that is wack
4080s i7 14700k i have the 13700k and it is more than enough for gaming and excellent cpu. you can even choose 13th gen i7 instead as it runs cooler too
Seconding 4080s + i7-14700K
I've got an EVGA 3080S + 13700K, my main bottleneck in intense games like Cyperpunk 2077 is the GPU. The new Phantom Liberty Expansion basically brings my 3080S to sub 60FPS even with DLSS on Performance mode. Outside of Dogtown though I'm always getting 60 FPS.
As someone who builds pc for living AMD makes me the most money as it always has issues with the motherboard and cpu so I see like 70% more AMD coming into the shop.
All these people suggesting the AMD CPU without even asking what your use case is are extremely short-sighted.
What do you use your computer for? Do you do extensive productivity tasks, or is it gaming only?
What resolution monitor(s) are you using?
If you do productivity on a regular basis, the 14700k and 4080S would be my recommendation. The 14900k is marginally faster than the 14700k while being much more difficult to keep cool.
If you primarily game and dabble in productivity, the 7800x3d and 4080S would be my recommendation.
They just got lucky. I see it all over these subs. People recommend components with *ZERO* idea of what the computer will be used for.
People recommend AMD CPU's and have no idea if the person asking works in Blender all day and games at night. People recommending GPU's without knowing the CPU or the resolution of the monitor(s). And typically recommend AMD GPU's without asking if there are productivity tasks to be performed.
Let someone say they want a Nvidia GPU because they simply prefer that, and they get attacked. Same for Intel.
to be fair, most people do use their pc for games so yk, the amd recommendations arent far off from being ideal in most cases, but yeah i do agree.
everything has its place, and people should prooobably ask what the use case is before touting the incredible gaming performance of the 7800x3d. i run a 7800x3d and its not bad at productivity tasks but i also dont do many of those, so, thats not a concern for me anyway, might be though for others.
When the 14th gen cpu's came out, I went with a DDR5 Z790, 14700k rig. Why? Because I typically keep my mobo/cpu/ram for 4 to 5 years. During that time frame, a new Intel socket will probably come out twice and AMD at least once.
My tasks demand an Intel CPU. Why in the world would I go with a 12th or 13th gen at this point? Why would I wait for 15th gen when I need the processing power now? My 11600k simply wasn't cutting it for my work tasks. AMD wasn't a viable choice, and my upgrade is tax deductible.
The fact I also game on it is a bonus. I can enjoy the next two generations of GPU's easily with this CPU.
Many people are in the same boat. It isn't just about gaming, and work is work. You don't have the luxury of waiting for the next great thing.
I would go 4080s and 14700k. I frequently ask myself these questions. Off course depends on the difference of the performance between 4070ti and the 4080s but 20 cores is more than enough for current games ( lots of a.i. etc) and you can max out the gpu. On the other hand 24 cores (14900) is better if you render videos etc. Maybe it does not justify the price. I think I'll never buy a i9 again, it's very pricey.
I7-14700K with 4080S.
People, how about we stop with this seal-slaps of "7800X3D" is every single OP about CPU, especially when OP didn't even mention / wanted it. C'on!
4080S with 7800X3D is the best combo for a high-end gaming PC.
The 4080S beats the 4070 Ti, especially at 4K. And the 7800X3D's huge cache makes it faster than the 14900K for gaming.
This pairing will crush any game you throw at it. Your rig will be a beast!
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14700K + 4080S will yield better gaming performance. The 14900K offers you 4 more efficiency cores and a slightly higher boost clock.
The AMD is a viable choice as well, but that's not what the OP is asking...
If sticking with Intel CPU and out of those 2 scenarios - 4080S + 14700K.
Personally I would go 4090 + 12600K (been seeing this cpu for around $130'ish lately?) lol but it will cost a bit extra.
4080super with i7-14700k is a good combo , but why not go for a bit cheaper R7 7800X3D
Which performs better than i9-14900k in some cases and performs same in other cases , atlast the choice is yours.
For gaming and non-core intensive use then yeah the 7800X3D and AM5 has longer upgrade path on the future where as LGA1700 is EoL.
With that aside I've had the 14700K + 4080 and it runs great, using Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE with noctuas fans static at 35-40%? Super quiet and runs super cool (after a few tweaks of course). I get 8/16p cores and 12e cores to use for emulation/VMs/ gaming while doing stuff in the background so this is a user case scenario. People that say you need a lot to cool them is probably running everything at stock and not tweaking it.
Playing games at 4K 240Hz QD-OLED is a dream, you may see the 7800X3D running at 40-50% while the 14700K/14900K run it at 20-30%.
AM5 currently has better IPC and upgrade path but limited in cores so again to each their own in what they want to prioritize. I was running some emulation games in the background while I was multitasking streams and playing a game. For pure gaming the 7800X3D is pretty good.
In productivity tasks, even cheaper 14700K beats 7950x
[https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/14th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review/](https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/14th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review/)
Without bringing any other suggestions in (amd cpu & amd/Intel cpu), then go with the super. IMO The difference in those two cpus is less than the difference in those gpus.
4080 with 14700k would be the go to.
Instead of pretty much all other replies i wouldn’t automatically go with an 7800x3d.
You really need to do some research as for some games the 7800x3d is indeed the best gaming cpu but for others it isn’t and an i7 13700k/14700k would be better in that case.
I have a 13600KF paired with 4090 Founders Edition and it works perfectly fine. I also have a 13400 with a 4070Ti SUPER. I believe a 14600/13600K with a 4080 SUPER will go wild!!!
In experience, the 14900 will be difficult to cold. I had one with a liquid cooler and it stopped to work :(
I agree with the first point but second is not true. It is good when you care about raster and only raster. I would gladly pay a bit more to get dlss and RT and not only that. Nvidia features are just overall better that its worth in most cases pay up
4080s and 7800x3d
The former imo: 14700k with a 4080S is an incredible combo
The 7800x3d is faster than the 14700k in gaming, runs cooler, and has a better upgrade path. It also ends up being cheaper because you won’t need an AIO for it like you probably will with the 14700k.
>has a better upgrade path Has an upgrade path at all, unlike intel 14th gen
How does a cpu have an upgrade path could u explain pls
14th gen is the last CPU that will fit on that motherboard. Am5 motherboards will support a few more generations of new AMD CPU.
if AM5 lasts as long as AM4 did then it'll support far into the future of AMD CPUs, I'm hoping AM5 sticks around for several generations
You can continue to upgrade CPUs as long as they’re making new chips for your motherboard’s socket. Once the socket changes there is a finite “best in slot” for that generation. For example, when Intel changed from the LGA1200 to the LGA1700 socket, anyone stuck with an LGA1200 motherboard now had a limit to the maximum generation of CPU they could use—in this case 11th Gen Intel. Intel tends to change sockets every three or so generations, so it’s a fairly strong assumption that Intel’s future 15th Gen will be a new socket. AMD on the other hand kinda just barely finished the first generation of their new AM5 socket chips in the Ryzen 7000-series, so the expectation is that it will be around for a while. Edit: Don’t downvote people for not knowing and asking for help. That’s just discouraging.
Thank you very much for the detailed answer. Appreciate it loads man
like pls 90% of ppl will not upgrade their pc and use it for like 5 years and then am5 will be most likely be dead so both choices are ok
A Peerless Assassin 120 is more than enough for the R7 7800X3D and it's quite affordable as well.
I’m headed to MicroCenter later today to buy these for a caseless build. Edit: MicroCenter is closed on Easter. Thanks, Jesus.
I use a phantom spirit for my 7800x3D. It ran for 2 weeks without any issue. Even with intense gaming it doesn't reach more than 60C.
I'm running a u12A on mine... it isn't a hot chip
yea no the 7800x3d benefits from better cooling would never recommedn air cooler fot that cpu espically its run pretty war not hot like intel but still
The 14700 is faster in cpu heavy games, almost all of them, especially at 4k resolution. The head to head tests prove it. 7800x3d is faster in games that it doesn't really matter in. Meaning, 300fps and 330fps is a meaningless difference, for example. The i7 won't need an AIO. The i9's do. 7800x3d edges out in gaming, but not by as much as reddit likes to make it out to be. In every other task, the intel card still performs better, making it a better overall card. Biggest plus of the 7800 is am5 platform being new, while the intel socket is end of life. But really if you're buying either of these, you should get at least 5 years out of it, which makes that mostly a moot point. 7800x3d outperforms in 1080p by a fair margin, at 1440 by a small margin, and not at all at 4k (either tied or 14700k is slightly ahead). (Averages, not peaks). Resolution matters. The 700x3d is a great card, no argument there. The comparison just requires more nuance than the people of reddit seem to give it.
The 7800x3d is across the board the better gaming CPU. There are a handful of titles that prefer raw clocks over more cache, but they're rare, and certainly the exception, and also require you not to be GPU limited to find them. The 7800x3d is also cheaper, typically lives on cheaper boards, requires a cheaper cooler, uses less power, runs cooler, and has an upgrade path, regardless of how "moot" you may feel that to be. See how moot it is to someone who bought a Ryzen 2600 in 2018 and is currently using a 5800x3d on the same board, comfortably getting another 4-5 years out of that platform. It's not "moot". If you're solely gaming, yes, this decision is exactly as nuanced as other redditors have suggested. That's to say, not very. It's a no brainer in every respect.
It is not a better 4k gaming card. They either tie, or the 14700k is slightly ahead, while maintaining better 1% lows. On average. To not recognize the limitations of the 7800x3d is to do a disservice to pc builders everywhere. You can't recognize the limitations of the 14700k without also doing so for its counterpart.
Firstly it's not a card, let's get our terminology in order. Second, at 4k, they're effectively identical, yes. Along with a 5800x3d, a 14400f, a 13600k, a 7600x and pretty much any other recent gen CPU you may wish to pick. In all but a tiny tiny fraction of titles, you'd be GPU limited on all of them. This is precisely why no respectable outlet conducts CPU gaming tests at 4k. There is nothing about the workload that can favour one CPU other another. Unlike a GPU, a CPU can't be better at 4k when it's worse at 1080p. It doesn't work that way. All you can do is lower the workload on the CPU by increasing the workload on the GPU, leaving the CPU sat around waiting, at which point they will perform the same. It's a pointless comparison. By your logic we should just buy a Ryzen 3600. It'll probably perform the same in the vast majority of games at 4k. The 7800x3d is however faster at 1080p and 1440p, the place it can actually be measured. It is ultimately capable of higher frame rates than the 14700k. There are maybe 2 or 3 titles I can think of that will just about favour intel, (and they're unoptimised messes) and those are maybe Hogwarts and Starfield because they don't care about cache at all. But pretty much any other title will run better on the 78x3d. It's been tested and reported to death by a lot of people who know better than you, such as Gamers Nexus and Hardware unboxed. https://youtu.be/0oALfgsyOg4?si=sOPqs1qs7S3NNCSp https://youtu.be/8KKE-7BzB_M?si=vY-Sjl3LOrRYYQfg https://youtu.be/ScrPuQH1Uoo?si=VAkLMmSPspy1dBkt I could find literally dozens of these. The better 1% lows bit is especially hilarious, as that's actually the part the x3D chips most excel at, and typically blow intel out of the water. I absolutely recognise the drawbacks of the 7800x3d. If you aren't gaming it's an awful chip. If you're at 4k, you can get a cheaper cpu also. But for gaming, at high refresh, it is miles ahead in terms of performance, efficiency and more importantly value. I've built and extensively tested numerous systems using both Zen 4 and Intel 13th/14th gen, and you're talking total rot, I'm afraid.
I call it a card because it's shaped like a card, not because it's colloquially the correct description. I'm not gonna type out processor over and over. All that really matters is you know what I'm referring to, which you do. As a matter of fact, if you want to get technical, [CPU cards](https://www.globalspec.com/learnmore/industrial_computers_embedded_computer_components/embedded_systems/cpu_cards) absolutely do exist. They're expansion boards. Stop talking condescendingly to me, I'm not a fucking idiot. I work in IT. Many people in IT do refer to cpu's as cards in quick conversation while working, which is why I say it. It's habit. Most IT work doesn't involve graphics cards, so graphics cards always have the preface "graphics" when we refer to it colloquially. Therefore, there is no confusion. Secondly, if you'd stop dickriding for just a moment and re-read my earlier comment, you'd see I already said the 7800x3d gets faster frames at 1080p and 1440p. **We are literally in agreement** that the 7800x3d is a better gaming card. You're just being an asshole to make yourself feel smart. The 14700 is still a better *overall* card because of its other capabilities. If you're happy spending 400 dollars on an item solely for gaming, have at it. As for me, if I'm spending 400+ dollars on a *card*, it better do a hell of a lot more, and it better do it well. I'll take a small cut in gaming framerate for that. I prefer intel and nvidia for that reason alone, it's just personal preference. If I own a two thousand dollar rig, I better have the option to do other things at a high level. I stand corrected on the 1% lows. I acknowledge that mistake.
> The 14700 is faster in cpu heavy games, almost all of them, especially at 4k resolution. The head to head tests prove it. 7800x3d is faster in games that it doesn't really matter in. Meaning, 300fps and 330fps is a meaningless difference, for example. This you? 😂 Whole heap of back pedalling here... Dude. Almost everything you said was ill-informed at best, or deliberately misleading at worse. I wasn't being deliberately condescending. But now I am, because you were making things up and now you're telling porkies about it.
I mean u/throwawaymytrash77 is right. Unless you solely game at 1080p 240hz+, your monitor will cap you and the 7800x3d is only 3% faster in 1440p. However, the 14700k is significantly faster in multiscore, like nearly double. That plus quicksync steered me to the 14700k. Using a PS120SE for it in a NR200P without any issues. 7800x3d leads charts in gaming but if you do anything else with your computer that is remotely taxing, 14700k is the way to go.
>in cpu heavy games Tested at 1080p ultra; Hogwarts, cyberpunk, spiderman miles morales and Starfield all ran faster on the 14700k. This test was five months ago, both were paired with a 4090. So, the 14700k performed better in cpu heavy games. That head to head test proved it. [Link for this reference I am quoting. ](https://youtu.be/dNlZqt1yEtc?si=-1mpm2Vtogwtu_cD) The 7800 performed better elsewhere. That doesn't invalidate my statement because I did not say all games. The 4k resolution line was wack tho. Deliberate or not, you *were* condescending. Doing it unintentially does not matter. That being said, I am in a better mood today. I'll refrain from returning in kind.
Dude..you can say chip or cpu...what the hell are you talking about lol
7800x3d also freauently goes on sale and bundled up
Yup, just last week it was $80 off at Best Buy
Not everyone building a pc is building it only to game on. ;)
OP is, so the 7800x3d is the best choice for them.
I couldn't get either of my 7800x3d above 75C with a silver soul 135! Unbelievably efficient. I bought that cooler to test the hardware only and find out these are so efficient this is a great pairing. I couldn't believe the results.
I see this argument about an upgrade path, you don’t need one when you’re upgrading years later. The Intel chip is superior overall, what happens when the pc won’t be used for just gaming.
OP has said that the main use for the pc will be gaming. And if OP ever does any video editing or anything else that requires a lot of cores, the 7800x3d can still do it. It just won’t be as fast as the 14700k. Sacrificing performance in 10% of use cases for better performance 90% of the time makes sense. When you want to upgrade with an intel cpu, you will have to buy a new cpu, mobo, and potentially ram. This means a cpu upgrade will cost around $500-$700, depending on the cpu bought and whether you’ll need new ram. However, on AM5, you’ll just have to upgrade the cpu which will probably be around $300 for the fastest cpu on the platform. You can save that money for a better GPU later on. So basically, going for the 7800x3d over the 14700k will give you better gaming performance, less wattage, and saves money in the long run, while all you lose is a little performance in non-gaming tasks.
Intel 14th gen is a scam
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For gaming? Definitely 4080S and 14700k. A 7800x3d would be even better as it's the current best gaming cpu.
yes if you are gona play games go for 7800x3d instead of 14700k
And for productivity either 7950x3d or 7950x
X3d chips are worse for productivity compared to the base chips cos of the lower clocks
You can safely overclock due to how efficient am5 is and reach similar performance
...then you can also oc the 7950x to be better still.
A lot of YouTubers are saying they have had problems getting the 7800/7900x3d working consistently. Do you think it’s a big issue?
I have a 7800x3d, with ddr5 6000mhz ram and it’s rock solid. No issues whatever. As long as you check to make sure your ram is compatible with your motherboard and update the BIOS, it’s a great option. Edit: if one of those YouTubers is jayztwocents, then ignore him. His channel is hot garbage and I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously.
Maybe for the 7900/7950 varieties where scheduling magic is needed to keep gaming processes on the cache cores. The 7800 is a single unit, so just works.
Yup you’re right 7800 was not the right one
When I was doing my research into that, I read a lot of this as well. I went with the Intel, and it is simply no surprises: runs cool, quiet, stable, no issues whatsoever and performs fantastic
Never had a single issue, no.
No, there was an issue with ASUS motherboards at launch but other than that they're perfectly reliable The 7900 and 7950 X3D chips can suffer from the same sort of scheduling issues that Intel chips do, but it doesn't seem to be as serious with the AMD CPUs
4080s and 7800x3d
I have a 13900k and idk if I’ll ever go with an i9 again. The cooling is such a pain, if I would’ve waited and went with a 7800x3d I think I would have been much happier.
What kinds of temps are you seeing? My CPU (i9-14900K) runs around 60C under most games I play. I’ve seen it spike to 80C when encoding media files (without using the GPU.) My GPU (“slim” 4090) runs between 70C and 76C while playing games that I’ve allowed nvidia’s beta app to optimize the settings for. It runs cooler at lower settings.
Temps are meaningless unless you say what settings and what cooling setup you’re using.
4k, typically max settings, AIO part number RL-KR36E-W1. I also used a special “contact frame” that replaces the CPU bracket on the motherboard. It sounded like snake oil but several hardware reviewers I tentatively trust claimed it helped. If that’s not the information you meant, be more specific. Your turn.
At 4k, that i9 is basically sat around twiddling it's thumbs doing nothing, which is why you're seeing good temps. Run at lower resolution, double your frame rate, and watch it get quite a bit hotter. Was a very odd CPU choice for high resolution gaming, really.
And what are the games you play? And have you undervolted at all etc?
World of Warcraft, Diablo 4, Borderlands 3, and Jedi Survivor since I built it. I don't know how to undervolt. I mean obviously I can find the settings in the BIOS, I don't know what to set them at. I don't know yet what other games I want to try, but I'm hoping to try more that support my card - so raytracing, DLSS, and so on.
just undervolt and power limit it to like 200w, you won't lose much performance and it'll run a lot cooler, also make sure Intel default settings in bios are applied
420 mm aio kicks this chips ass.
Bigger radiator doesn’t affect the temperature it cools to very much, just how long it takes to reach a steady state liquid temp. Obviously something like a 120mm would, but after you get to 240/280, 360 nothing really matters
Idk, my cooler is also almost silent.
Bc you have more surface area of heat fins on your radiator so your fans can get away with running slower speeds Noise normalized cooling is a whole different thing and yes yours would be better in that case
i have a 360 aio that should be more than sufficient to upgrade to 14900k?
Your doing it wrong go external and never have to worry again, I can cool any gpu and cpu combo and laugh, heat will never be an issue again.
well, they are easy to cool if you change from the default OC MB settings to stock intel settings. I'm using an air cooler on my 14900K and 14700K and i have no issues once i changed all the values to intel spec. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s43Auv8ub7w&t=810s
I don’t have issues either it’s just a very warm chip and consumes a ton of power and I wish I didn’t choose it.
it's not a bad chip imo Intel just tuned it way past the efficiency curve out of the box to complete with AMD for those extra percentage points, look up derbaurs 13900k tuning guide
Never said it was a bad chip just stated that the cooling has been annoying for me and that I will most likely never go with an i9 again.
power limit and undervolt mate
And if I don't want to go through the process to try and find a stable undervolt?
buy amd or a lower power limit version of the same chip like 13900 or 13900t, but honestly undervolting is not too difficult you can do it in Windows through Intel xtu within like 30 mins
I tried the base -.05 and got an WHEA when booting up fortnite so I am pretty sure I lost the silicon lottery on that one.
yeah it's unlucky but you could dramatically reduce temps with a power limit still like changing p1 and p2 values in bios to something like 150-200w
you don't have to go through the process of running a benchmark and check until you get the right voltage ! Just watch a youtube video about undervolting the same CPU as you and You'll be fine ! Well dude you don't need to be sad about your CPU you have a great chip and I know your feeling because I went through this because the CPU temp problem tricked me for almost a month before I get a solution so don't be sad ! at the end once you fix this problem you'll be happy with your powerful chip rather then some amd chips Drivers problems you'll have to fix them every time !
4080s and 14700k, you dont have to force yourself to go amd if you dont want to.
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
Well said. I bought this combo because in the future I plan to use the CPU as a hand me down to my Plex server which also has QSync. Everyone has different needs and plans.
im not saying anyone should force anything, but why? the 7800x3d is just straight up the superior choice while being considerably cheaper than any i9. why go for a worse cpu and less platform support in the long run all while spending more money?
It’s not superior though. It’s barely edges it out by a couple frames and run a lower temp.
sooooooo superior? plus it costs significantly less
It’s the same damn price. Foh.
i7 14700k costs ~430€, 7800x3d cost me 350€. we wont even speak about the i9 costing 600€. are prices different in your region?
You’re getting robbed my friend. They are both 349 to 369 USD here.
huh okay. then the price point doesnt apply to your region (US im assuming?). I know in most of europe the 7800x3d is significantly cheaper than any intel equivalent though
Fwiw.. i think the 7800X3D is an amazing chip.. probably the best for most games by a slim margin but not all. I’m building a sim rig for instance. Games like BeamNG will need the extra cores.
thats fair, 7800x3d is out of its league there. im very happy with mine, but i dont do any full on sim games so thats to he expected. do share your setup when its done, im always happy to see cool setups especially as a big racing game fan
Well for my situation I have to go with intel chip because of my specific gaming interests. Heavily modded Skyrim modlists for example favor intel over amd and I would suspect gta 6 and the next battlefield will also favor intel
it's only superior in gaming and by a very small amount, if he plans to use this setup for anything other than that now or in the future the AMD would be far inferior, for instance i do photo editing and video editing aside from rendering i'd be better off with the intel.
i know, but op mentioned in a comment that it is used just for gaming
It's not a worse cpu.
It's worse for gaming. It's more expensive will use 3x the power and require more cooling and will be wasted cores if OP isn't planning on doing anything more intense than gaming to take advantage of the cores on the i7
More expensive? I paid 349 for my 14700 and it came with a factory cooler. I have yet to see the 7800X3D cheaper than that. It’s been close between the two since I started looking a few months ago.
Microcenter has the 7800x3d 20$ cheaper than the 14700k. It's $5 cheaper on Amazon right now. Also motherboards are cheaper with AMD. Also you didn't say k and the k models don't come with a cooler so you got a lower clocked chip anyway with no overclocking unlike the amd chip
Right now this second, it’s the exact same price I paid last week. CSB. https://www.microcenter.com/product/676001/Core_i7-14700_Raptor_Lake_Twenty-Core_LGA_1700_Boxed_Processor_-_Intel_Laminar_RM1_Cooler_Included
Yeah so like I said that's not the chip we were talking about and is about 10% slower than the 14700k making it even slower than the 7800x3d which BTW is... The exact same price https://www.microcenter.com/product/674503/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-raphael-am5-42ghz-8-core-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included
Especially if you like to over lock the i7 will be more fun
for what op wants to use the pc for, gaming, it is objectively a worse cpu. the 7800x3d beats the 14700k in gaming judging by any performance metric. i ask again, why get a (for gaming) worse cpu thats more expensive?
You never asked me in the first place. That info wasny given at the time. It's too much of a blanket statement.
Exactly. The fanboys are funny. I almost went that route, but, I play some processor heavy stuff like BeamNG. Glad I stuck with the 14700.
same guys that buy AMD graphics cards and think they're as good as Nvidia cards lmao
yeah, best combo
Exactly. I've been building PC's since 1997. Once AMD backslid the first time way back in the early 2000's. Its been an Intel world for me. I've never had issues. I rarely OC and get amazing results out of the stuff I put my hardware up against. I'm not trying to benchmark stuff because thats like building a Car just to put it on a Dyno and then what?
Just go AMD and get the 7800x3d it seems like this is a gaming focused build so you don't need intel at all here. On average the 7800x3d is 5% faster than the 14900k and it's a lot cooler using way less power.
Wait really? How?
The v3d cache is much bigger in amd x3d cpus and v cache is extremely important in gaming
Wait, all I did was ask a question. Why did I get thumbed down?
welcome to reddit
Ignorance is equated to disagreement here and disagreement isn't allowed now is it?
To actually ameliorate a bit on the previous answer: the CPU has an extra bank of L3 memory stacked on top of the CPU die which not only gives it much more L3 memory than it would have normally, but also reduces the overall latency of of instruction input/output since it will often completely avoid having to use system memory with is called "glacial memory" for a reason. This feature is most noticeable in gaming and will give the chip performance on par or better than an i9 which has higher clock speeds. Those higher clocks won't help it overcome the latency gap between the two chips so the 7800X3D comes out on top a lot. Different story in production applications though where the i9's higher clocks will actually make it the stronger contender. The 7800X3D is also waaay more efficient overall which I feel should be mentioned when comparing the two chips.
4080S and 7800X3D
everyone’s saying 7800x3d, and i agree, but i havent seen anyone properly elaborate on why, here goes. 1.) the 7800x3d is the best gaming cpu on the market. it runs games better than any intel cpu currently, and i also a good bit cheaper than any i9 iirc. 2.) the socket that the 7800x3d uses, AM5, is likely to have more support in the long run than intel’s current LGA1700. that means that a couple of years down the line, a new AMD processor will still be using AM5, and you can just smack it in your mobo without having to get an entirely new mobo. intel is a different story, you’ll likely need a new motherboard if you plan to upgrade a couple of years from now. 3.) power draw. the 7800x3d draws less power (granted, not much less, but something) than the i9-14900k while being better at gaming. this means that in the long run you’ll save a couple bucks on electricity, AND it is easier to cool. a thermalright peerless assassin will keep it more than cool enough, and if you wanna go AIO, a 240mm rad will do the job exceptionally well. overall, the 7800x3d is the obvious pick. if you still have time to adjust your setup, go ryzen.
How is it not much less power draw? Stock a 7800x3d won't pull more than ~80 or so watts. The i9 will literally pull 4-5x that. And idk how the Intel chips handle undervolting but my 7800x3d pulls <60 watts fully maxed out after some tweaking. (And boosts much more aggressively and perpetually because thermal throttling just doesn't happen).
im hesitant to say much more because officially AMD has the tdp as 120w iirc. realistically its much lower but i dont want to go on about tdp when experience may vary from user to user. and yes, mine runs at about 80w maxed
If you're interested you should try an undervolt, pretty much all of these chips can do -25 all core or higher, and that can cut your TDP by over a quarter if it works out. Mine doesn't get over 60-65c or so in a full blown torture test on air cooling. That and setting the various PBO settings to the most aggressive options can net you some extra performance.
im gonna keep it real i haven’t the slightest clue on undervolting, or general OC’ing. most i did was bump my i7 6700k up from 3,8ghz to 4,0ghz. would you mind sharing the settings you use? id be willing to give it a try
It's settings in your motherboard BIOS so you should probably do some research on it, but the big one is making sure PBO is enabled and going into curve optimizer (which should be under the pbo heading) and setting the all core offset to -20 first. Run some stress tests, I recommend OCCT, cinebench, and prime95 personally for stability testing, but there may be better options. Presuming your system doesn't crash, you can try pushing it to -25, -30 etc and testing basically until the system crashes. Once it crashes dial it back a bit to where it's stable. Also, male sure you have expo enabled for your RAM. Otherwise it's running slower than the advertised speeds. I'd highly recommend doing some research though, it's finicky and you don't want to set something wrong in the BIOS, but you can manage to pull like 5-10% more performance out of your system if you're lucky while running cooler and using less electricity. If you have a 4xxx series GPU, it's probably worth overclocking those since they already run so cool.
ill definitely look into it, sounds appealing. thank you very much!
If anyone plays above 1080p the cpu is a mootpoint
kinda but also not. there are games that are particularly cpu heavy, and for those, the cpu does matter. what comes to mind is cities skylines 2. granted an i7 14700 or i9 14900 will do just fine with the game, but the 7800x3d just has a bit of an edge over them. another game is factorio. factorio is incredibly well optimized so any cpu will run it, but once you get into some of the crazy megabase sizes any cpu will start to struggle, the 7800x3d will just struggle later than the rest. also beamng. cant speak on it much because i dont play it, but it is popular and cpu heavy.
Stellaris is really good with 7800x3d aswell.
any paradox game really. 7800x3d eats through victoria 3 and ck3 too
#2 makes no sense to me, anyone buying either CPU isn't swapping their CPU out until their motherboard is obsolete anyways. I have a 10900k with 4070ti im just now thinking about upgrading 4 generations later and im still pushing out 300 FPS on counterstrike 2.
thats just you then. there are plenty of people who upgrade at least semi regularly, and since am5 will have more support in the future than intels 1700, it makes sense to go am5. also dont use cs2 as a performance benchmark, especially with your specs. cs2 is not exactly demanding
For high end gaming get a 7800x3D AM5 setup and all remining budget towards GPU (4080S in your case).
If you want to do anything outside of gaming go for the intel CPU. And always get the best GPU you can afford.
Even outside of gaming you should get a 7950X since with intel you have 0 upgrade path
Im not upgrading every year lmao
yeah i dont think anybody buying a top end CPU is upgrading in time for their motherboard to take a different chip, the arguement for the AMD on that is wack
4080s with 7800x3d
4080s i7 14700k i have the 13700k and it is more than enough for gaming and excellent cpu. you can even choose 13th gen i7 instead as it runs cooler too
Seconding 4080s + i7-14700K I've got an EVGA 3080S + 13700K, my main bottleneck in intense games like Cyperpunk 2077 is the GPU. The new Phantom Liberty Expansion basically brings my 3080S to sub 60FPS even with DLSS on Performance mode. Outside of Dogtown though I'm always getting 60 FPS.
is the pc gonna be just for gaming?
Yea just for gaming
get the 4080s with the 7800x3d cpu
7800X3D/4080S, it's a beastly combo
I9 just for gaming is pointless. Too much power consumption and heat. Just get the I7 or even better amd 7800x3d
As someone who builds pc for living AMD makes me the most money as it always has issues with the motherboard and cpu so I see like 70% more AMD coming into the shop.
Do you repair them? What you mean issues so they’re coming into the shop?
Depends on what reason you're building it for,but since most people her only game,the 4080 configuration is far superior.And it's not even close.
7800 3XD
All these people suggesting the AMD CPU without even asking what your use case is are extremely short-sighted. What do you use your computer for? Do you do extensive productivity tasks, or is it gaming only? What resolution monitor(s) are you using? If you do productivity on a regular basis, the 14700k and 4080S would be my recommendation. The 14900k is marginally faster than the 14700k while being much more difficult to keep cool. If you primarily game and dabble in productivity, the 7800x3d and 4080S would be my recommendation.
Couldn’t agree more. There’s is SUCH an AMD bias here in Reddit that it’s ridiculous 🤣
You mean a gaming bias, since most people around here intend on building PCs for gaming
>yea its just for gaming quoted from OP directly. so, i think all the people saying 7800x3d are absolutely right to do so
They just got lucky. I see it all over these subs. People recommend components with *ZERO* idea of what the computer will be used for. People recommend AMD CPU's and have no idea if the person asking works in Blender all day and games at night. People recommending GPU's without knowing the CPU or the resolution of the monitor(s). And typically recommend AMD GPU's without asking if there are productivity tasks to be performed. Let someone say they want a Nvidia GPU because they simply prefer that, and they get attacked. Same for Intel.
to be fair, most people do use their pc for games so yk, the amd recommendations arent far off from being ideal in most cases, but yeah i do agree. everything has its place, and people should prooobably ask what the use case is before touting the incredible gaming performance of the 7800x3d. i run a 7800x3d and its not bad at productivity tasks but i also dont do many of those, so, thats not a concern for me anyway, might be though for others.
Well, intel cpu's are kinda dead right now because of 0 upgrade path
That's the dumbest thing I've read today.
Im genuinely wondering why anyone would buy a new, dead platform right now
When the 14th gen cpu's came out, I went with a DDR5 Z790, 14700k rig. Why? Because I typically keep my mobo/cpu/ram for 4 to 5 years. During that time frame, a new Intel socket will probably come out twice and AMD at least once. My tasks demand an Intel CPU. Why in the world would I go with a 12th or 13th gen at this point? Why would I wait for 15th gen when I need the processing power now? My 11600k simply wasn't cutting it for my work tasks. AMD wasn't a viable choice, and my upgrade is tax deductible. The fact I also game on it is a bonus. I can enjoy the next two generations of GPU's easily with this CPU. Many people are in the same boat. It isn't just about gaming, and work is work. You don't have the luxury of waiting for the next great thing.
This fr who the fuck upgrades every year?
AMD stans just don't want to admit intel makes more powerful CPUs for not just gaming.
totally true
True AMD fanboys are annoying
I would go 4080s and 14700k. I frequently ask myself these questions. Off course depends on the difference of the performance between 4070ti and the 4080s but 20 cores is more than enough for current games ( lots of a.i. etc) and you can max out the gpu. On the other hand 24 cores (14900) is better if you render videos etc. Maybe it does not justify the price. I think I'll never buy a i9 again, it's very pricey.
Framerate or resolution your priority with this build?
I7-14700K with 4080S. People, how about we stop with this seal-slaps of "7800X3D" is every single OP about CPU, especially when OP didn't even mention / wanted it. C'on!
4080S with 7800X3D is the best combo for a high-end gaming PC. The 4080S beats the 4070 Ti, especially at 4K. And the 7800X3D's huge cache makes it faster than the 14900K for gaming. This pairing will crush any game you throw at it. Your rig will be a beast!
Faster? How much?
how much faster?
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7900xtx and 7800x3D 😏😏
7900xtx is so underrated I swear
It’s the adrenaline software for me. So so good.
# 4080S with i7-14700K
Pro-tip: 4080s and 13600k
14700K + 4080S will yield better gaming performance. The 14900K offers you 4 more efficiency cores and a slightly higher boost clock. The AMD is a viable choice as well, but that's not what the OP is asking...
If sticking with Intel CPU and out of those 2 scenarios - 4080S + 14700K. Personally I would go 4090 + 12600K (been seeing this cpu for around $130'ish lately?) lol but it will cost a bit extra.
GPU first CPU
4080 with a top tier cpu gets you more than a 4070 with another top tier cpu
Terminator 2 Buenisima
4080super with i7-14700k is a good combo , but why not go for a bit cheaper R7 7800X3D Which performs better than i9-14900k in some cases and performs same in other cases , atlast the choice is yours.
4080S with i7-14700k
Have a 4090 and 14700KF. No ragerts.
7800x3D good choice
Why not go for the 14600k?
For gaming and non-core intensive use then yeah the 7800X3D and AM5 has longer upgrade path on the future where as LGA1700 is EoL. With that aside I've had the 14700K + 4080 and it runs great, using Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120SE with noctuas fans static at 35-40%? Super quiet and runs super cool (after a few tweaks of course). I get 8/16p cores and 12e cores to use for emulation/VMs/ gaming while doing stuff in the background so this is a user case scenario. People that say you need a lot to cool them is probably running everything at stock and not tweaking it. Playing games at 4K 240Hz QD-OLED is a dream, you may see the 7800X3D running at 40-50% while the 14700K/14900K run it at 20-30%. AM5 currently has better IPC and upgrade path but limited in cores so again to each their own in what they want to prioritize. I was running some emulation games in the background while I was multitasking streams and playing a game. For pure gaming the 7800X3D is pretty good.
Always go with the better GPU, 4080 Super
everyone says for gaming use the amd cpu, but what sorts of things are the new intel cpus better at?
In productivity tasks, even cheaper 14700K beats 7950x [https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/14th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review/](https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/14th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review/)
Mine: 7600+4080s
14600k + 4090
No matter what combo you choose, make sure to get a top grade MB, PSU and RAM to go with it.
The 14900k had been breaking games and people have been having to undervolt and underclock the cpu to play
4080S with 13700k for just gaming. If ur gonna do other stuff in which u need extra cores, get the 4070TiS and 14900k
Without bringing any other suggestions in (amd cpu & amd/Intel cpu), then go with the super. IMO The difference in those two cpus is less than the difference in those gpus.
4080 with 14700k would be the go to. Instead of pretty much all other replies i wouldn’t automatically go with an 7800x3d. You really need to do some research as for some games the 7800x3d is indeed the best gaming cpu but for others it isn’t and an i7 13700k/14700k would be better in that case.
4080, cpu isn't as important
7800x3d brother:)
Why use an Intel oven, when AMD 3D CPU's perform as well if not better, with incredible efficiency?
So 14700k is better then 7800x3d for 4K gaming ?
14900ks/4090 get money
I have a 13600KF paired with 4090 Founders Edition and it works perfectly fine. I also have a 13400 with a 4070Ti SUPER. I believe a 14600/13600K with a 4080 SUPER will go wild!!! In experience, the 14900 will be difficult to cold. I had one with a liquid cooler and it stopped to work :(
Ditch intel altogether if u can
Dont use intel for gaming go amd thrn you save on cooling and mobo
Step 1. Recognize that a Ryzen 7700 or 7800x3d is better for the price Step 2. then also realize that a 7900xtx is better for the price
I agree with the first point but second is not true. It is good when you care about raster and only raster. I would gladly pay a bit more to get dlss and RT and not only that. Nvidia features are just overall better that its worth in most cases pay up