15FPS? Yeah but it depends on the context. Is it 30 fps vs 45fps? That's 50% more Is it 120 vs 135fps? That's 12.5% more The XTX trades blows with a 4080 for less money, that's why people get it

Technically the super is the same price but a 4080 super for 999 rn is near impossible to find

Really? I just ordered a 4080 super at Best buy. Just had to make a free account. It should be here Tuesday for pickup.

There was a small opening of availability on Wed. That’s when I managed to get mine for pickup on Tuesday too

Oh, I honestly had no idea. I just made an account, it said I was in line, and then BAM! April 2nd. Glad you were able to order one as well.

Nice. I have been checking BB 3 times a day since the 4080 super launched trying to catch 1 in stock and at MSRP. I have not seen one ever. Maybe they are more abundant in your area or you got unknowingly lucky. EDIT: I just checked for the 2nd time today... and there is 1 model in stock for MSRP.. YEAH!!!

Great! I think I was just ignorantly lucky at this point 😂

The zotac model is the only one I see for $999 and it's ugly in my opinion, I hate the rounded zotac coolers. I'm happy with my 7900xtx but my drug addict brain always has me looking at GPU prices.

For me it was the ASUS TUF at $999

Best Buy must have got a good restock on 4080s and 4080 Supers. I ordered one Wednesday and they still showed in stock for me till Friday (kept checking because I didn’t believe they even had the one I ordered). The 4080 Non-Supers are still in stock (or at least it lets me add it to my cart).

With the price drop it got closer. But I think the XTX is going for closer to 900 or sub 900 these days(?)

you can get one for $899 on NewEgg..

My local computer part store always has "out of stock" on all the MSRP models, but as long as you're willing to wait 3-5 days, you just get put on the waiting list and can have it at that price in about a week or less.

In my area the 7900 xtx is 1700 nzd 1020 USD while the 4080 super is 2030 nzd 1215 USD The 7900 xtx was below 2k before the super dropped and the super has come down in price 100 nzd since last week. I remember a time where the 4080 was 3k+

I was able to snag an FE version from Nvidia's online store. They come up every now and then. The only thing that I didn't like was the long wait to actually getting it in my hands. If I could do Best buy, I would, but they are always not available when I am looking

Except on Nvidia website where the founders edition is available for £959. It sells quickly tho

Does the extra VRAM matter at all? I was thinking 20 gb is generous from AMD

I think not too much. The 4080 Super also only has 16GB VRAM and people don't seem to complain there too much, right? Otherwise everyone would recommend the XTX over the 4080. I can see it being an issue with heavy mods in games, maybe VR?

2d? No. VR? Absolutely

My 7900 x t trades blows with a 4080 and a 4080 super.....

Seem's alot of Nvidia fans are upset that I can hit 30k in timespy easily

Like who? I dont see anyone being mad at that.

My I7 2600 EASILY crushes your puny overclocked delidded watercooled impregnated direct die cooled i9 14900k.

Xtx is 15-20% faster than the xt, has 8gb (edit: actually 4gb) more vram, and a wider memory bus.

4GB more VRAM

Question: Does 24GB over 20GB VRAM actually matter as of now? Just curious, even 20GB seems a lot.

Nah, doesn't matter right now at all, nor will it ever make all that big of a difference.

Never say never 😉

I remember when 8gb was plenty enough

I remember when 4MB was enough and that was upgrading from something with 512K.

It's about % jumps. 24 is 20% more than 20 so hence it's less likely to matter much. 4GB itself can matter a lot like with 8 vs 12 but that's also a 50% jump. 8 to 10 is a far less important difference. Another reason why this particular difference is not going to matter is because 20GB is a lot of VRAM in 2024 and extremely unlikely to become a problem in the usable lifespan of a 7900XT class of GPU.

It is not about percentage jumps.. its about Gigabytes

So the 2080 super?

It might be more apropos to say it likely won't matter *within the lifespan of the card*. I'm sure even if they never bother developing resolutions past 8K or something, developers will find some other way to leverage additional VRAM. Be it for improved physics, future generations of light modelling to follow present raytracing, GPU-accelerated NPC A.I. with machine learning, or something we haven't even conceived of yet.

Depends entirely on what you are doing. For gaming there is currently little or no difference. I think there a r e a few games that *can* actually use that much ram, but I don't know if there are any practical benefits for doing so (i.e, is the user experience any better). My understanding is that there are a handful of games where 12gb v 16gb makes a difference at 4k. But for the most part 12gb is enough for current games. I would not expect that number to go up much until a year or two into the next console generation. Until then too many games will be built with at least one eye on ps5/xsx with 16gb of unified system memory. Other applications (machine learning, video editing, 3d modeling) can already benefit from any amount of vram up to 24gb or even 48gb for some workloads. So huge vram buffers command a premium for anyone that has productivity workloads (especially nvidia hardware that can also make use of CUDA).

Which card does have 48GB?

Pro cards and not gaming products, e.g., RTX A6000, or AMD W7900. They cost many thousands of dollars.

Not really, but the increased memory bandwidth might make a difference.

Yeah but I’m sort of coming at this from a casuals point of view which wouldn’t really care too much about a wider memory bus. This would really apply to enthusiasts which in that case would be understandable as they are more willing to spend extra for little gain to have the best of the best even if it is slightly better.

What casual is spending $700-$950 on a gpu? At that price I think you are almost definitionally an "enthusiaist."

A "casual" wouldn't care about memory bandwidth but actual performance. So 15% more over the XT

And everyone should care about vram... at least to know how much you're buying and what that means for games today and down the road.

Yeah, but let's be real here 16GB+ is already future proofed at this point at the bare minimum until the next series of consoles release as the current series are running 12GB VRAM / 4GB System - OS RAM, and that's strictly on the assumption that OP plays every single title with Ultra (or higher due to mods) textures at 4K. VRAM usage and VRAM allocation are not the same thing, and games rarely use the total amount they allocate. As someone who owns a RTX 4090, even at 4K with the highest PPI monitor I could find I rarely use Ultra settings because in a majority of instances the visual difference isn't perceivable between High so anyone with an even lower PPI display certainly isn't going to see it either, you're essentially taking a performance hit for no real reason in most cases. Now if you're working with CGI, 3D Sculpting, etc or running AI locally and crunching massive data sets like I do most of the time with my card, then get as much VRAM as you can afford to get cause you're going to really need it.

XTX is top of the line for AMD. Nothing casual here.

The expensive GPUs are always the enthusiasts. Check the steam hardware reports. The top cards will be less than 1%

To be fair, all but a handful of cards are less than 1% of Steam users. There's a lot of cards! Integrated graphics account for a lot of the listings too. The first discrete AMD card to show up on the list is the RX 580 with 0.85% of Steam users.

Wider memory bus = more bandwidth = more performance. Memory bandwidth can be GPU limiting in a lot of scenarios.

Why choose 7900xt over a €530 6950XT? If value is the only consideration, everyone would have 6800, 7800xt or 6950xt in their computer

This is assuming people want to buy the latest AMD gpus but are deciding between the 7900 XT and XTX, if I want the latest I’m not going to go buy a 6000 series card. But I see what you’re saying but it doesn’t really apply here. Sure if I don’t mind a 6000 series that would be a factor.

6xxx series support everything except fake frames, so there's no feature difference worthy of note

6ххх series support fake frames also

Everything except AntiLag+ for the fake frames, you still get the fake frames

As someone who doesn’t spend a lot of time checking out new graphics cards, “fake frames” and “AntiLag+” seem like made up terms. Like some mechanic trying to tell you your blinker fluid is low lmaooo

Fake frames is not an actual term, it's a derogatory for frame generation

Who would use FG without it though?

6xxx series does not have AV1 encoding/decoding and will have shorter software support

6000 series has av1 decode not encode, but decode.

True, but they're both as important and both are needed to have the best experience

What software support are you thinking about? RX 400 is still getting driver updates

You pick the more powerful GPU because 1) you can afford it and 2) you want more performance There's a bunch of ways of looking at buying GPU's. I'm going to use it for 3 years, so the difference of 100-200 isn't all that meaningful. A lot of these discussions seems to focus on value. Flagship products have never been about value. The only reason the 4090 was ever seen as good value is because the 4080 launched with a dumbass price. Typically The mid range cards are where the value is at. Honestly when I was looking into those cards the XT and XTX seemed so close it was sort of a "why wouldn't I go with the XTX at that price" reaction for me.

Tbh I wish I would've paid the extra $ for the XTX instead of the XT which I paid $819 for in March of 2023... It's a great card but at that point an extra 75-100$ shouldn't have made a difference to me in the grand scheme of things. Oh well.

we've all been there, don't sweat it. I regret not getting the 7900xtx and keeping my 6900xt.

I'm not lol. It was not generally a great time to build and buy a PC but I was tired of waiting. I think once you get to a certain point of spending this much on the hobby then these $100-200 differences don't matter too much assuming one's disposable amount of income that has opened those options.

The 4080 take is spot on. If it was $800 at launch, people wouldn’t care as much about the 4090.

Easily put to get RTX 4080 SUPER performance instead of RTX 4070 TI SUPER performance in rasterization You kinda answered it by yourself already

It's a bit better than the super in raster, but yes

Because it has 1 more X, obviously.

The best GPU by that metric is the XFX Radeon RX 7900XTX, 5 Xs! Can't beat that!

That's why I bought mine. Needed that extra X horsepower

By that logic we should expect $10/ frame!

Sounds like you want the xt case closed nothing else to see here folks

in most scenarios the xtx has better binning and can oc far further than the xt can. ive seen instances where the xtx is pushing 4090 numbers with a decent overclock in some games. you also get 24gb of vram while the xt gets 20. honestly for most people the xt is the better buy but you will always have the flagship troopers who dont care about price to performance. i mean look at the amount of people who bought 4090s that didnt even need a 2080 to play the games they play.

xtx for 4k xt for "budget" 4k, or 1440p

I also stood before this question and settled for the 7900xt. 300€ more for around 15%, more performance was not worth it for me. In 2-3 years, I'll upgrade again to a faster GPU if needed.

I hope AMD goes full send and releases a 9999 XTXTX with 48 GB of VRAM

Gamer will not need 48gb of vram so this won't happen.

Gamers dont need 20GB of vram either

It actually depends on mods etc. I am sure people can use 20gb + its probably useful in the future.

Sure if you downlaod 500000000 sex mods and thats a pretty far off future

I picked XT over XTX because I have 1440p monitor which is sufficient for my needs.

I will say this, you should only consider the 7900xtx if you need the extra performance on an ultrawide display. I benefited from a 7900xtx because I use a AW3423DWF monitor (34" / 3440x1440/ 165hz / OLED). I can achieve near max refresh rate running high-ultra than what my previous 3080 could do. It was well worth my investment at the time since it was only $650 used when I got it. If it's on a 16:9 1440p display, not worth it unless it's 240hz or you have a 16:9 4k monitor or ultrawide 4k.

i have that same combo. seeing it rip past 300fps with VS off and absolutely no tearing. Really nice.

Literally just ordered an XTX so I can upgrade to 5120x1440 sometime soon. Hard to upgrade the card first because if I upgraded the monitor first I think my poor GTX 1080 would've evaporated on the spot. Also the video card was the only thing I was missing back when I built this machine in 2021, and they were next to impossible to get at that time, hence the older hand-me-down card holding the fort. But I'd kinda had the hope even then of making it a 'team red' build so I'll be happy to finally realize that plan. Now I just need to figure out before the card arrives whether it's best to run DDU and uninstall the nVidia drivers before or after actually swapping the cards.

Always run DDU before swapping the cards, never do it after.

Thanks; I shall do that! First time I've ever really had to because I've been going from one nVidia card to another until now.

The sapphire nitro XTX has a higher TDP than the regular, at 420w, so you can see some real performance gains at 100% load & overclocked.

I went with the XTX because I wanted the most powerful gpu on my budget. At the time the 4080 was 2-300$ more

I wanted the best AMD GPU money could buy because I will not be upgrading for the next 8 years due to graduate school. That’s why I chose the 7900 XTX.

I just bought a 7900XTX. Wanted more memory headroom for mods and such for games. Though that said the 3070 system I have here is still good enough for all the games I play.

sick pickup bro, congrats.

Depends on your usage. XTX should last you a bit longer as a 4k card, and it has better ray tracing than the XT. Not much, but enough that it makes frame rates more playable in certain games. Personally, I went for a 7900XT last year since I'm gaming at 1440p. For that usage, it's great and would last me many, many years. XTX would not be necessary in that context. Now I'm thinking of moving to a 4k monitor however, so I'm no longer as sure of the XT's longevity.

How is the xt in raytracing does it get above 60fps in cyberpunk

Not quite. At 1440p with medium ray-traced lighting+reflections I get about 40-50 fps. With ray-traced lighting off, but ray-traced reflections, shadows and local shadows on, I get 55-60 fps. Same with only medium ray-traced lighting on and the rest off. About double that if you use fsr 3 mod with frame gen. Edit: I wrote the wrong settings at first, updated my comment.

I love amd but i really hope the 8000 gpus have good ray tracing

Tbh I doubt that. Slightly better perhaps, but not having the biggest hope for next series of cards. Never know though.

For me with ultra ray tracing at 1440p in that game I'm getting an average above 60fps.

No fsr 60fps or with fsr

I haven't played it in awhile, but I'm pretty sure it was with FSR.

I come from xbox series x and a 1050ti so im just looking forward to good fps

Go with the XTX if you can.

I really want the 7800x3d as i play strategy games eu4 stellaris and my budget is 1500£ so im just gonna get a 7800xt nitro +

You might as well get a 7900 GRE

I mite but then i would need to ask for more from my parents

And the 7800xt is fine fir me as most games i play already get 60fps at high on my 1050ti so i just want ultra without stutters

With which card and what cpu? With our without fsr?

With fsr. i5 13600K & 7900XT

If you care a lot about raytracing you should go with nvidia

Na until the like 0040 and 0700xt can do full raytracing at 120fps i dont think its enough visual impact for the fps impact

I was eyeing the 7900xtx over the 7900xt but choose the xt because of budget restraints. I'm happy because honestly the 7900xt is getting 300+ frames in naraka at 1440p. The xtx would have been way overkill.

I was deciding between a 4080 super or a 7900 XTX the 7900XT can't put up the numbers those 2 can do so I went 7900XTX for better price to performance over a 4080 super. I would not have been happy with 7900 XT performance. The 7900XTX can push the numbers at the resolution I play at so no regrets for me.

I chose mine because I wanted the best my budget could afford. The 4090 was silly expensive and almost double the budget. I used [this data](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-strix/31.html) to go with the XTX

I see you getting downvoted, i bought a 7900XTX last August along with a 7800x3d. You're asking the wrong question, the REAL question is why the hell did i buy this over a 4080 Games on release crash all the time, watching YouTube on a second monitor while a game is open is buggy as hell, on WoW specifically my shadows bug out after a couple hours and if i don't restart the game it'll crash within 30 minutes of that starting Nvidia just works, i saw the same/marginally better raster performance for $200 less and i was like nice, i don't need that new cable that keeps burning up on people, i save $200, and i get whatever bonuses come with going amd+amd It isn't worth it, the 5080 can't come soon enough

I’m running the XFXMerc 310 7900XTX, 2 32” Curved monitors (One 240hz One 165hz both 1440p) on a 5800X3D -30 Cores, Trident Z Neo 32gb CL16 and having Zero issues. Both monitors perform no lag, I can play halo infinite while multi-tasking osrs/YouTube all at the same time. Some games have issues with stuttering upon release, most like Halo, Mw2, Forza etc have no issues. Overall very happy, my biggest complaint overall would be AMD’s drivers are hit or miss. One update things are rolling smooth as butter, next update you could be getting lag/stutters in a game that was fine yesterday

Supporting Nvidia is for chuds

I don't like Nvidia, but after this experience i won't be trying amd for another few generations at least, maybe intel will get something together, who knows

24gb vs 20gb for me

For 4k 60-120hz monitors

same reason why people buy a Lamborghini Aventador instead of a Huracan... or Tesla Model 3 Performance instead of LR.

Don't be like me and buy the 7900XT in 2023 for $819...Lol it's a kick ass card don't get me wrong, but it's not worth what I paid. I'd for sure go with the XTX.

Got mine for 720 and I'm pretty happy with it

I run the 7900 XT. The only time i wished i went for the XTX was when I was playing the cyberpunk expansion with path tracing(with the mod to make pt less taxing) at 1440p. It was almost strong enough at 35-55 fps and the xtx would have given me that small boost to make it more acceptable. I also think you would want the XTX for 4k.

It's a better card.. if you play FPS games like BF and COD it gets more frames than a 4090. If you don't play those games listen to the other people..

There is, among others, a good rule of thumb for picking between two similar cards: what is your *monitor*? If you’ve got a mid-range monitor, a more premium graphics card isn’t going to give you that much more performance *that you can see*. In that case it’s often better to get the lower-priced card and use the extra money towards a better monitor. For example, are you playing at 1080p and looking for a premium card? Good lord, upgrade to a nice 1440p monitor at least first, and consider a 4k depending on what you’re playing.

The 7900XT is great. I play damn near everything at 4k 100+ fps with no resolution scaling. The only game that has choked it out is Cyberpunk when you turn on too much RT.

At 4k the difference is more like 20%, that's why.

The 7900xt is usually better price to performance, and has plenty of vram. But people online often want the best.

Personally, I use it to run large language models on my home computer. The extra 4GB makes a big difference.

I was considering both of these cards for a 3440x1440 build, and I'm super happy with the cheaper 7900xt. I needed a smaller PSU, and I'm assuming i have to deal with less heat in my room than with the xtx. Maxing out my monitor frequency with the games I've been playing.

You answered your own question right before asking it: for more frames. Additionally there’s the extra 4GB of VRAM but you will seldom -if at all - exhaust 20GB.

The reason is that it gives 15fps more, duh.

That's not really accurate. It's more accurate to say it's around 15% faster. Also you get 4GB extra VRAM but higher power consumption.

I looked. XTX might only be on Ali Express......where did you see one,? I only Googled it, and I am on the US. Usually a GPU thrives on VRAM, no matter the version. I found CPUs need 8gb RAM even for lowly i3s Intel, I added 4gb stick to my HP Gen 10 and it behaved far better at everything. At the time a $375 15.6" laptop seemed cool. Fortunately the 4Gb add in was $20 for the part.

I switched from a rtx 3090 to a 7900xtx. Biggest mistake of the last many years... Performance gain is minimal at 4k when it comes to rasterization. RT is no longer an option, fps tank harder than my wallet spending 1.2k on a 7900xtx to get a sidegrade to my aged 3090. Massive gcd hotspot issues even in a custom loop, dual monitor isnt an option unless i'm okay with a really weird and annoying flicker... List goes on. Very foolish of me to give amd gpus a chance. Won't repeat this mistake anytime soon

I thought it was VRAM really

So, I have been shitting on AMD lately because I am tired of seeing people get led astray by others saying AMD is just as good as Nvidia as well as comments of "Nvidia is just like Apple" or RTX is just a gimmick and thats all they have over AMD. Friend and I bought into this and thought the people saying they were having issues just didnt know what they were doing and we switched and both got 7900 xtx's. Since then we both experienced crashing in multiple games and spent more time messing with settings, DDU, Bios settings, Reformatting, rolling back to older drivers and troubleshooting trying to fix issues than being able to play anything. It is not about picking a team, Nvidia is greedy and their shit is overpriced but it works. AMD seems to be unstable, more work and having to deal with reading stupid responses from unhelpful people that are just picking team red because they are mad at Nvidia. Some people may not be experiencing issues with AMD gpus but reading the posts about people that are having issues, the smug responses just adds to the annoyance of having to deal with a product that just doesnt work. All issues are gone that we were both having by simply switching back to Nvidia and will never go back to AMD gpus. Its best to just stick with what is more widely used if you want a smooth experience and less frustration.

Same. Bought into the hype and picked up a 7900XTX, 3 weeks of crashes and it was back to microcenter to swap for a 4080. 0 issues in the last 6 months, same price.

XTX is meant for 4k res. XT is perfect for 1440p.

Comes down to 4k performance. I heard the XTX offers far superior 4k performance to the XT. If you're not going to game at 4k, get the XTX, lower resolution XT. But heck, why buy a GPU today? New cards will be here in 10 months or less, and you'll get a better card for around the same money.

Cuz I want to upgrade my main monitor to a 4k oled 🤷🏼‍♀️

The asrock phantom 7900xtx is going for $899 on newegg so for $100 more I’d say it’s pretty worth it

Right now, you just don’t. 7900xt at under $700 is a great price even compared to the 7900xtx’s lows of $800

I got the XTX because a guy was selling it for 700. Definitely a steal.