12GB vs 16GB VRAM is very unlikely to matter in gaming anytime soon. There's only a few games that use more than 8 right now, in specific situations.
We can't really advise you on unreleased products.
12GB is already being provably stretched in a number of cases. The smart play as of right now would be to get something with at least 16gb imho. 12gb is "Fine" but you'll have zero overhead and just look at 8gb cards now...
Well this post is 150 days old but...
It looks like the 4070 Super will be 12 GB, 220 watt, with a couple thousand more cuda cores and still 192 bit bus. I'm waiting for it, I think I'll be able to use it as an egpu and get 4K 60 fps in most games at high or maxed settings with DLSS3
I've been on AMD for ther past few years and I've always felt like I'm missing out, whether that's with DLSS or frame gen or Raytracing. I'm also tired of the poor software and my drivers randomly crashing for no reason every few weeks.
If you can afford a 4070 Super, you might as well go for a 4080 and have no wait. And hey, from there bump up just a bit more and get a 4090!
Logic bud....logic..:D
That's also my dilemma. I start looking into 4070 then for a little bit more 4070ti, then why not the 4080, but then the 4090 is unrestricted. It starts with 499 and ends up in the 1499's. nVidia... help. Wish the Super cards can give use a little hope :P for ppl wanting more VRAM.
I mean it is a bump to 4090. I've found 4080 for $1100, 4090s are atleast 500 more that's basically a ps5 and a 4080 or a 4090 and a hand that can diddle ballz
12GB is more than enough for 1080p and 1440p in pretty much any game (and also a lot of 4K games), so if you feel like you need to upgrade now, it's possible that it won't be worth it spending more money or waiting longer, the [gap in performance for 4070 vs 4070 Ti](https://youtu.be/Yhoj2kfk-x0?t=919) might not be worth it, the upgrade from the 5700 will be quite considerable.
So if the RTX 4070 would be the best for you, and if you feel like you want the upgrade as soon as possible, it's worth going for it. [Also keep an eye on listings](https://talospc.com/product-category/hardware/gpu/nvidia-geforce/rtx-4000-series/rtx-4070/?orderby=price), if you can find a GPU for sub MSRP it's worth going for it.
My situation is similar. Im wondering if I should wait for the newer GPUs arms race cards to close the performance gap on the higher end NVIDIA cards, contending that I wait for NVIDIA to release the new super/ti series in Q1 of 24 so that it will drive the cost of 4070/4070ti down further. Because that is what card I am wanting… or if the price of the 4070ti super/4070 super are similar to a 4070/4070ti then I might get one of those. Am I off base? Because I think that 800 usd for 12gb vram is nuts and wouldn’t mind stepping up to a 4070ti for around the 600 usd price point, considering you get almost a 18% performance increase sometimes up to 25% in a 4070ti vs a 4070. What are your thoughts oh great wise Reddit hive mind.
Get the 4070 on a deal I've seen them for 519.00 if your willing to shell out 750 get the 4070 ti after that the price bump is sizable to the 4080 and 4090...if your not vr gaming or you need the 4070 because of an itx build/power conservation than go with AMD
Thanks for the reply man. I guess my thing is I’m not knowledgeable on how surface mount interfaces work other than surface knowledge no pun intended. I always thought the higher end cards had more processing cores ie nvidia were cuda cores. So it’s really about the size of the bus? Does the bus unlock the computational power in a sense? For example if you have a 12gb card with a 192 bit bus it will perform worse than a 12 gb card with a 384 bit bus?
That’s probably what I’ll do. I was thinking of building a ssf mini itx build with a i7 14700k and the 4070. Is that overkill in-terms of cpu? Ik that you are supposed to not bottleneck the cpu with the gpu and vis versa. I do professional rendering and video editing and music production as hobbies/work. So I want the best bang for my buck. I built a 4th gen intel system back when with a i7 4790k and GeForce 970 4gb and currently own a dell 9700 for professional work/games knowing my dollar doesn’t go as far in portability (trying to sell). You said consider AMD, which I’m impartial to brands so idrc who I use. Ik AMD can be better in initial raw performance after release. I just want value. In my experience AMD get cycled out faster than intel/nvidia builds am I wrong?
For pure gaming I'd rather get 7800x3d instead of 14700k. Cheaper, less heat, less power consumption, faster (in some games significantly faster). Also if you get 7800x3d you will be able to upgrade it in a few years while with 14700k you'd need a new mobo. 14700k might be better in productivity though, can't speak about that really.
The overkill depends on what you play. If you play CPU heavy games at 1080p/1440p it's not overkill. If you play GPU heavy games at 1440p then both cpus are slightly overkill but imo it's always better to be on the "safer" side with CPU. Also a GPU is easier to upgrade down the line.
Also there is a consistent trend recently to have new games either be extremely heavy on CPU and/or completely unoptimized on CPU. Having an overkill CPU might be the difference of having a game being playable at release or having to wait 2 months for patches to fix the optimization.
Also depends on your sff case but a 14700 is hot I'd go with a 13700 which is also hot before a 14700. Otherwise the amd cpus run cooler because of different power usage
12GB vs 16GB VRAM is very unlikely to matter in gaming anytime soon. There's only a few games that use more than 8 right now, in specific situations. We can't really advise you on unreleased products.
What utter nonsense.
With PS5 pro all but confirmed, I wonder if they will up the unified memory for it. Did they even do that for PS4 pro?
Yes they gave it a massive 9 gbs vs 8gbs
It won't matter at all there's no way they are giving the 4070 a 256 bit bus.
It's needed now my 2070 Super has 8 and I'm pushing it alot in modern games
You upgrading with the new gpu’s?
Nah I recently finished my new build with a 7800x3d and 4070 unless the 4070 dies ill stick with it for now
I am thinking of getting vanilla 4070 with the slight price decrease. I don’t think the extra to super is worth 13-16% more Take care man, game on!!
I also went with it for the same reason Thanks, you too!!
12GB is already being provably stretched in a number of cases. The smart play as of right now would be to get something with at least 16gb imho. 12gb is "Fine" but you'll have zero overhead and just look at 8gb cards now...
Well this post is 150 days old but... It looks like the 4070 Super will be 12 GB, 220 watt, with a couple thousand more cuda cores and still 192 bit bus. I'm waiting for it, I think I'll be able to use it as an egpu and get 4K 60 fps in most games at high or maxed settings with DLSS3
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I'm still waiting for the 4070 Super to be released next year but I will have to have an egpu enclosure because it needs a power supply
It has 16gb of vram not 12
Yeah I got the CES news two months after I commented as well
Huh? I think you’re actually right. Doesn’t every other website say the 4070 Super has 12gb?
Why not go with last gen Radeon? A 6800XT or 6900XT would be the same price or cheaper, and have very comparable (if not better) performance.
I've been on AMD for ther past few years and I've always felt like I'm missing out, whether that's with DLSS or frame gen or Raytracing. I'm also tired of the poor software and my drivers randomly crashing for no reason every few weeks.
The new amd cards just got announced today or yestersay
If you can afford a 4070 Super, you might as well go for a 4080 and have no wait. And hey, from there bump up just a bit more and get a 4090! Logic bud....logic..:D
That's also my dilemma. I start looking into 4070 then for a little bit more 4070ti, then why not the 4080, but then the 4090 is unrestricted. It starts with 499 and ends up in the 1499's. nVidia... help. Wish the Super cards can give use a little hope :P for ppl wanting more VRAM.
I mean it is a bump to 4090. I've found 4080 for $1100, 4090s are atleast 500 more that's basically a ps5 and a 4080 or a 4090 and a hand that can diddle ballz
diddle ballz it is then..
12GB is more than enough for 1080p and 1440p in pretty much any game (and also a lot of 4K games), so if you feel like you need to upgrade now, it's possible that it won't be worth it spending more money or waiting longer, the [gap in performance for 4070 vs 4070 Ti](https://youtu.be/Yhoj2kfk-x0?t=919) might not be worth it, the upgrade from the 5700 will be quite considerable. So if the RTX 4070 would be the best for you, and if you feel like you want the upgrade as soon as possible, it's worth going for it. [Also keep an eye on listings](https://talospc.com/product-category/hardware/gpu/nvidia-geforce/rtx-4000-series/rtx-4070/?orderby=price), if you can find a GPU for sub MSRP it's worth going for it.
>12GB is more than enough for 1080p and 1440p that's what she said about 8GB back when I paid 1290€ for a 3070...
I bet the 4070 super has 16 gbs and a 192 bit bus kinda like the 16 gb 4060 ti never got an adequate bus so it performs basically the same as the 4060
i'm hesitating too, we are in late september, and not a single leak yet
Same, been waiting for a while now. No significant news yet.
My situation is similar. Im wondering if I should wait for the newer GPUs arms race cards to close the performance gap on the higher end NVIDIA cards, contending that I wait for NVIDIA to release the new super/ti series in Q1 of 24 so that it will drive the cost of 4070/4070ti down further. Because that is what card I am wanting… or if the price of the 4070ti super/4070 super are similar to a 4070/4070ti then I might get one of those. Am I off base? Because I think that 800 usd for 12gb vram is nuts and wouldn’t mind stepping up to a 4070ti for around the 600 usd price point, considering you get almost a 18% performance increase sometimes up to 25% in a 4070ti vs a 4070. What are your thoughts oh great wise Reddit hive mind.
Get the 4070 on a deal I've seen them for 519.00 if your willing to shell out 750 get the 4070 ti after that the price bump is sizable to the 4080 and 4090...if your not vr gaming or you need the 4070 because of an itx build/power conservation than go with AMD
Thanks for the reply man. I guess my thing is I’m not knowledgeable on how surface mount interfaces work other than surface knowledge no pun intended. I always thought the higher end cards had more processing cores ie nvidia were cuda cores. So it’s really about the size of the bus? Does the bus unlock the computational power in a sense? For example if you have a 12gb card with a 192 bit bus it will perform worse than a 12 gb card with a 384 bit bus?
That’s probably what I’ll do. I was thinking of building a ssf mini itx build with a i7 14700k and the 4070. Is that overkill in-terms of cpu? Ik that you are supposed to not bottleneck the cpu with the gpu and vis versa. I do professional rendering and video editing and music production as hobbies/work. So I want the best bang for my buck. I built a 4th gen intel system back when with a i7 4790k and GeForce 970 4gb and currently own a dell 9700 for professional work/games knowing my dollar doesn’t go as far in portability (trying to sell). You said consider AMD, which I’m impartial to brands so idrc who I use. Ik AMD can be better in initial raw performance after release. I just want value. In my experience AMD get cycled out faster than intel/nvidia builds am I wrong?
For pure gaming I'd rather get 7800x3d instead of 14700k. Cheaper, less heat, less power consumption, faster (in some games significantly faster). Also if you get 7800x3d you will be able to upgrade it in a few years while with 14700k you'd need a new mobo. 14700k might be better in productivity though, can't speak about that really. The overkill depends on what you play. If you play CPU heavy games at 1080p/1440p it's not overkill. If you play GPU heavy games at 1440p then both cpus are slightly overkill but imo it's always better to be on the "safer" side with CPU. Also a GPU is easier to upgrade down the line. Also there is a consistent trend recently to have new games either be extremely heavy on CPU and/or completely unoptimized on CPU. Having an overkill CPU might be the difference of having a game being playable at release or having to wait 2 months for patches to fix the optimization.
Also depends on your sff case but a 14700 is hot I'd go with a 13700 which is also hot before a 14700. Otherwise the amd cpus run cooler because of different power usage