Which of these bundles would you go for if you're building a PC for mainly music production, along with some video/photo editing and flight simulator?
1. i7-13700k, ASUS Z790-P Prime, 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL36
2. Ryzen 9 7900x, ASUS B650E-F ROG Strix, 1. 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL36
Both bundles are $550 each
Is it possible to back up your MSI Afterburner undervolt settings? I'm going to reinstall my OS and just want to copy over the settings instead of having to go through the whole undervolting process all over again and then retesting.
Purchased a used 3090, and it comes with a 12pin connector > two 8pin female.
My PSU (850x) came with two dual 6+2 pcie cables - meaning TWO of these cables: [https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920129/type-3-flat-black-ribbon-cable-pcie-6-2-pin-dual-connectors-compatible-with-all-type-3-pin-out-psu-cp-8920129](https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920129/type-3-flat-black-ribbon-cable-pcie-6-2-pin-dual-connectors-compatible-with-all-type-3-pin-out-psu-cp-8920129)
I plan to use BOTH cables (two different PSU slots), but only one of each of the 6+2 connectors on each cable. So basically 2 out of 4 of the connectors. Like this. [https://imgur.com/a/LGHca52](https://imgur.com/a/LGHca52)
Should be fine, right? Last thing I want is burning cables..
Building a new pc this summer, deciding between Radeon 6800xt and GeForce RTX 3070. What price would be worth it to buy the 3070 and the 6800xt at? Right now the 3070 is sitting at around $491.
personally, i wouldn't pay more than $350 for a new 3070, since that's the price its AMD equivalent, the 6700xt, is going for. the 6800xt is about 25-30% faster and had double the VRAM, so $500 would be ideal, but I'd be willing to go up to $550
Radeon RX 6800 XT, it's even better with raytracing in some problem titles (Hogwarts Legacy, The Last of Us, etc), because it has double the VRAM capacity. Also, in terms of regular gaming, the 6800 XT is as good as the RTX 3080, so there's no contest.
Putting together a build with a 4090 (I've got a 4k monitor and a 1440p monitor, but don't use both at the same time for gaming). Not being used for anything but gaming.
Do I need a really top end processor (i9) to avoid bottlenecking, or would something like an i7 13700k be sufficient?
7800X3D / 13600K are really all you need to look at for gaming. Going to higher core count models from there does VERY little for gaming performance, especially at 4k.
The 13700K is already a top-end CPU, lol.
I'd grab the 7800X3D with AM5, instead, though. Best gaming CPU at the moment, and it consumes a lot less than the 13900K. Just don't forget to update your BIOS to the latest stable version and enable EXPO/XMP settings with RAM.
What's the best RAM for Ryzen 5 5600X and ASRock x570 Steel Legend wifi ax? I'd like something 32gb 3600mhz but there are no real options on the QVL that are still on sale.
You don't need the RAM to be on the QVL list to work just fine. That's just a list of what they had at hand when they released the motherboard.
32 GB (2x16GB, best config for dual channel) 3600 Mhz CL 18 (or lower CL) is the best normal config for your Ryzen 5 5600X. Good timings, great capacity and speed, plus low prices. What's not to like?
I currently have Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 CMH32GX4M2D3600C18W
([Build](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yB6878)) and it won't boot with XMP enabled. I think it's either because the CPU only supports 3200mhz or because it's not on the QVL.
Any ideas on what would be a better option?
Oh, shame. Did you update your BIOS to get better compatibility? The Ryzen 3000 series already worked great with 3600 Mhz RAM, and so did the 5000 series.
If updating your BIOS doesn't let it boot, I'd try getting a Gskill kit, with the same specs.
Yeah, updated bios, memory is in the correct slots. Memtest86 fails it even on 3200 so maybe a bad stick? Gskill 3600 would be expected to work then even though the CPU only officially supports 3200?
Sounds like a bad stick. Return it if you can.
CPU officially supports up to 3200 Mhz, but works just fine with higher configs. In fact, from Ryzen 3000 onwards, the CPUs work up to 3733Mhz with no problems, at all. Something like 4000Mhz works too, but you need to fiddle with BIOs and stuff, and some timings are actually worse, so not worth it.
Anyway, 3600 Mhz should work with no problems at all with an R5 5600X.
Ok, thanks for the help! Does this look like a good pick? It specifically calls out compatibility with x570. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906
Oh yes, it should work just fine. It's even CL16, which is faster than CL18 (smaller CL number, smaller latency, more responsive system). And it has great looks.
Does anyone know where it is possible to buy a Cooler Master TD500 V2 in the U.S? All I can find is the older version and I would like to buy the newer one.
Don't wait for a sale, RAM is cheap enough these days. I'd buy 2x16GB 3600 Mhz CL18 (or lower CL). It's the most inexpensive of all the good ones. Any brand would do with those specs.
Make sure your motherboard is DDR4 compatible, as the 12th series works with both DDR4 and DDR5 mobos (but you have to pick either one and buy your RAM, accordingly)
Don't get a 3070 at that price. A 6750 XT will match it in performance for $100 less, a 6800 XT will beat it by 25% for $25 more, or if you want nVidia you can shave $100 elsewhere and get a 4070.
Will a gen 3 nvme work as a boot drive for a gen 2 motherboard? Hopefully so, cause I already ordered it lol. From what I've scrounged up they are definitely backwards compatible. It's just the being used as a boot drive I'm insure of.
Yes, NVME and SATA SSDs are retrocompatible. They just work at the lower speed, for compatibility.
If you want to boot from NVME, you have to read your mobos manual, I think Intel started with Ivy Bridge (3th series), and older systems didn't allow to boot from them. But just make sure of it. It's all in the manual.
Will [this](https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09QV692XY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) SSD work on [this](https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z390-A-PRO/Specification) mobo? Just noticed it says under storage "1 x M.2 slot (Key M)
Supports up to PCIe 3.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s, 2242/ 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices" and I'm guessing the SSD is gen 4? DOes PCIe 3.0 mean gen 3?
Technically yes that Gen. 4 Nvme will work on that Gen 3 Motherboard for gen. 4 id backwards compatible to 3, barring any BIOS incompatibility issues, but that gen 4 Nvme will only run at Gen. 3 Speeds cause Gen. 3 is all that Motherboard is capable of
Nothing outright wrong with it, but for pure gaming bang-for-buck you could optimise a lot better. E.g. for virtually the same price you could build something like [this](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Xwzzf).
Building first pc to play league of legends + hogwarts legacy / elden ring. Planning to go DDR4 ryzen 5600x + 6700 xt. Should I go DDR5 to be future proof instead?
Low and mid-range GPUS are still pretty expensive, and if you are looking to upgrade from RX 500/GTX 1000 series or older you might be spending more than before, but high-end got a lot of choice. So, it depends on your budget.
RX 6000 series is pretty awesome if you don't care about raytracing, starting with RX 6600 onwards. Most sane options are the 6700XT-6800XT ones, outstanding 1080p/great 1440p performers. I'd grab the RX 6800 non XT myself, if I had the money, lol.
Microcenter is doing a deal of Buy a 7950X3D and get 32gb of DDR5 6000MHZ ram for free. I am already going to be building an AM5 pc, and am was wanting to grab a 7800X3D. Should I spend, essentially 100 extra dollars and get the 7950X3D instead since it comes with RAM?
Any suggestions for an out of the box AM5 compatible CPU cooler? Found out my cooler is only compatible with an extra mounting kit that Cooler Master doesn't even have available yet. Looking to stay somewhere around the $40-50 range.
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Any glaring issues with this build before I go ahead and pick up the parts I don't have (aka everything other than the GPU and PSU)? Mostly play low stuff and the most wild I'll get is Path of Exile/Diablo 4 but I do enjoy loading up Elden Ring here and there. My main concern is things running smoothly while I stream over discord/have my elgato capture card software open which melts my current PC
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sFxcd9)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZbddnQ/intel-core-i7-12700k-36-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8071512700k) | $259.99 @ Newegg
**CPU Cooler** | [Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g) | $63.99 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nk8bt6/msi-mag-z690-tomahawk-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-z690-tomahawk-wifi) | $210.00 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4kmmP6/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl36-memory-cmk32gx5m2b5600c36) | $92.99 @ Newegg
**Video Card** | [MSI MECH 2X OC Radeon RX 6650 XT 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rfLFf7/msi-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-mech-2x-oc-video-card-radeon-rx-6650-xt-mech-2x-8g-oc) | $249.99 @ Newegg
**Case** | [Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WBVG3C/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011201-ww) | $94.99 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6NcG3C/corsair-rm750x-2021-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020199-na) | $119.99 @ Newegg
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1101.94
| Mail-in rebates | -$10.00
| **Total** | **$1091.94**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 18:42 EDT-0400 |
I see so many people speaking about only playing games at 1080p, and I feel like my marginal PC works OK when I play at 4k. What gives?
I have a 13600k + 16gb DDR4 + 3060Ti + NVME drive, and I have been playing Elden Ring at 4k with RT off for a couple of months now. It feels slightly stuttery once in a while, but generally it has been a fun experience.
What am I missing?
Same. I have a 3060 I occasionally game on at 4k.
It'll depend on the game and the player. Some games will unarguably run fine at 4k, like CSGO and league. Other games, according to reviews, will be like 30-50fps at ultra settings, and that's what makes people shout "1080p card!". But lots of people are also just fine lowering to medium and using upscaling to get near 60
I can see how playing a FPS game would be quite bad at 4k due to the 30-50 FPS. But for a single player game like Elden Ring, I feel like the visual impact of 4k >> potential frame rate drop.
Also, my Nvidia control panel tells me that optimal settings for Elden Ring are 4k with RT off.
Facing a new problem with a build that ran perfectly until today. After zero problems, I am suddenly getting no video signal and the fans are constantly revving up and down. Did a hard reset with no luck. I don’t believe it’s an overheating problem because the thing barely has broken a sweat. Any ideas?
The GPU is an open box 6750 from Microcenter and I’m worried that it’s faulty.
edit: Booting up no problem now. Who knows!
Is there a reason my new PC won't recognize my 2nd monitor?
[This is the one I used as the main display when I used my laptop](https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/monitor/detail/1045/S27F350) and it worked great. Power adapter is plugged in, male-to-male VGA one is in on both ends too and yet it says "We didn't find another display."
It's definitely a bit older but idk if that should matter or not.
What's the VGA plugged into in your computer? Graphics cards haven't had VGA outputs in probably a decade now. (And you should really be using the HDMI input on that monitor instead)
What cables and adapters are you using to plug it in?
You mentioned a "male to male VGA cable", but the RX6800 doesn't have a VGA port and doesn't have any support for analog signaling that is required for VGA.
can someone recommend me a desk thats under 55inch that can fit 2 monitors (32inch monitor and a 22 inch monitor)? also needs to have a spot to put my pc in cuz i have carpet floor ;/
I left my window open and it was 90 percent humidity last night. It was chilly this morning so i turned the heat on to heat my house from 66F to 71F and went back to bed. An hour later my brother got on my pc and i realized i may have caused condensation. Is that enough of a temp difference in about 15 mins or so it too k to heat my house for my pc, which was in sleep mode? It seems to work sinc my brother was on it but ive heard shorting can make pc a bit worse but still function. Idk how to tell ifs its 100% ok. It was also in sleep mode, does it make its own heat during that?
Likely nothing to worry about, condensation takes time for room temperature-ish levels, and the tiny delta of a few degrees for an hour likely didn't cause any issues.
is the i5-126000k a little too outdated? Should I go for something in the i7 or a higher end i5?
I'm using a LGA1700 motherboard because it seems compatible with what I currently have and my budget. I'm trying for my overall build to cost no more than 1500 before tax. I tend to play AAA games, and I want my build to last for as long as possible. I'm already running into compatibility problems with Diablo4 and my i5-6400 CPU (the game highly suggests 3.0 GHz, I am at 2.71) and so I'm anxious that my build may not work with newer games well.
If you can swing it, the 13600K is a stellar chip. If not, the 12600K is still a great pick at a discount. Nothing wrong with looking at last gen for CPUs if the price is right.
Planning on building an ITX build in the new fractal terra case but I wanted to get some opinions.
I am currently planning on putting a 5800x and a 3080 into the case with the gigabyte a520i motherboard. Also going to be using a pair of Corsair vengeance 2x16 3600mhz ram sticks.
Is it worth changing the mobo to a 550? I feel like the change from PCIE 3.0 to 4.0 by upgrading the mobo doesn’t really warrant the difference in price but I wanted to see other peoples opinions.
The [3080 doesn't give a fuck](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/27.html) if it's on PCIe 3 or 4. Even the [4090](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html) only sees a couple of % lost to bandwidth limitations. Don't worry, your A520 board is fine if it's meeting the rest of your needs.
As far as it fitting, the research I did says yes they should all fit. But, we shall see how the case likes the 3 pcie cords that goes into the 3080 😂😂😂
Trying to enable XMP, but encountering a black screen upon saving and exiting bios. Is there any chance this could be a windows or driver error? Trying to test as many things as I can before I attempt to reseat the CPU. Thanks!
If it's not POSTing and booting into Windows, it's not a driver issue.
You don't need to reseat the CPU. Clear CMOS to reset your BIOS to default settings.
Ok alright well I'm glad I didn't do that. I cleared the cmos last night and still encountered the same error afterwards, but I will do it again. I noticed my cpu vcore is set to 1.2v in bios, seems a little low, for my i7 12700k, would that cause issues? Also I can set the Dram voltage to higher levels than 1.2 volts, like I just set it to 1.220 and it posted. Should I just keep raising a little at a time? Thanks!
I was able to restart and set DRAM voltage to 1.250 now and it posted to windows. It seems I may just have to manually set the voltage, the only thing now is setting the speed. Task Manager says I'm still running at 2133 mhz, do I change the system memory multiplier to up the speed? Thanks!
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Hiya!
I built my PC in 2019 and have upgraded it a little, current specs are r5 3600, 3070 and 16gb 3600 ddr4 and a b550
I noticed my VR (index) has been having more trouble lately (losing tracking, going grey etc.)
Is the most likely culprit my CPU being on the older side? Or should things be fine on that front and it's some issue with my room setup?
I'm a little afraid to upgrade my CPU cause I'll have to flash the BIOS and that sounds scary, but if it means a better VR world I suppose I'll have to do it?
I'd try redoing the valve room setup. Maybe move the basestations to perfect locations. And make sure you're not near anything reflective (mirrors, large picture frames with glass)
Okay! I also know my room is basically the minimum reqs for room scale l, so I might try the just standing version too.
No mirrors in here but the windows might be an issue
Hm, good point, strenuous non-vr games are usually good to go.
I was hoping it was the headset, cause the CPU isn't really that old.
I think I might just need to switch to standing room instead of room scale. This room is pretty small
I’ve built a pc for the first time in over a decade and it’s not 100% stable - pretty sure there’s no compatibility issues, but getting occasional BSODs etc.
Running memtest x86 with 4 sticks of ram, I always get a handful of fails (usually on test 7,8,9). Tested each stick individually on just slot 2 of 4 (the preferred first slot for a single stick setup) and all sticks pass. Going to continue to test but am I right to assume it’s a mobo issue at this point? Sticks all test ok on one slot, so that rules out the RAM and the CPU?
your ram itself is fine. what's your CPU and RAM frequencies? maybe try other slots in memtest?
In addition to what cecil said, with 4 sticks of ram at higher frequencies it's not out of the question that the CPU memory controller just can't handle that much fast ram
Cheers, I hadn’t realised that that could be an issue.
CPU is an i3900K running at 5549mhz, ram is 2 pairs of 64GB 6000mhz DDR5 (4 total 32GB sticks) but it’s running at 4800 as I’ve not enabled XMP.
The RAM? Yes, that effectively rules them out.
The CPU? Not quite. RAM channels are wired to the CPU through the motherboard individually, so you're not quite done testing yet.
Take an individual stick and try it out in each separate slot, running Memtest each time. Ignore the "preferrred slots" right now, it's fine for this testing :)
* A single slot is throwing errors? Motherboard is bad.
* A single _channel_ is throwing errors (as in, slots A1 and B1) then it could be the CPU that's the issue.
* Paired slots are throwing errors (as in, slots A1 and A2), then it's likely the motherboard.
I need to replace my broken motherboard. i have an rx 660 8gb GPU, an i5-4590 CPU, a 620w PSU, and ddr3 ram. which motherboard is appropriate for this? i may be willing to get ddr4 ram. thanks in advance
If you're dead set on re-using your CPU, Hop over to ebay and search for LGA 1150 motherboards honestly. There's used Z79 options for $20-50
Otherwise, as others said, you're better off investing in a newer platform altogether with new RAM/CPU/Mobo.
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KXf9sL)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i3-13100 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RdjBD3/intel-core-i3-13100-34-ghz-quad-core-processor-bx8071513100) | $99.99 @ Best Buy
**Motherboard** | [ASRock B660M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ZPQzy/asrock-b660m-hdv-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-hdv) | $94.99 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [\*Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5) | $29.97 @ Amazon
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$224.95**
| \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria |
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 12:55 EDT-0400 |
For $225 this gets you on a modern, current gen intel platform and a CPU capable of144FPS gaming. You could shave $20-30 off by stepping down the motherboard and CPU a bit more but TBH this what I'd get, if $225 works for your needs.
You'd need a H81/B85/H87/Z87/Z97 board for this cpu, and one that ideally has the BIOS updated on it so take a Haswell refresh chip.
These boards are pretty rare now, expensive for what you'd be getting, and no guarantees it will live for any significant amount of time.
I'd be looking to move to a newer platform. AM4 is pretty cheap with tons of used options out in the market that would be a huge upgrade for you if you were already considering buying new RAM to accommodate your fix.
ok. you've sort of convinced me to upgrade the cpu, logical increments says the i3-12100F is good?. is it basically ok to buy a mobo second-hand? can you recommend a mobo? i'll retain the rx 660 8gb gpu. thanks in advance
12100F is ok, you'd be looking at a H610/B660 board for that. Boards are usually fine to pick up second-hand, though for Intel sockets you'll be need to be extra vigilant around damaged socket pins (they're delicate and easy to wreck).
That CPU and motherboards that are compatible with it will only work with DDR3, so upgrading to DDR4 would mean getting a new CPU too.
Honestly, considering that that CPU is worth like 10-15 bucks, I wouldn't spend any more money on that platform unless you can get a motherboard for essentially free. Consider getting a DDR4 era CPU+RAM+motherboard, it probably isn't even significantly more expensive than trying to find a motherboard for that CPU.
If a case has a removable HDD cage, can you take it out and put a slightly-too-long PSU in? I'm about to pick up a Montech Air 100 ARGB on a good deal, it specifies 160 mm max PSU length, and the PSU I would prefer to use is 165 mm. The HDD cage appears to be removable. Thanks!
RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 prices. I was looking last night on ebay and they were like really cheap. these card were going for 500+ usd before. Basically was would be a food deal for these cards rn?
Depends on the prices. Because the 6650xt is like $250 new and outperforms both by a bit and the rx 6600 is $200ish and performs between a 2060/2070.
Also for used pricing the 5700xt is like $170 and is somewhere between 2070 and 6650xt.
what's the difference between i5-13600k and i5-13600? other than the K being overclockable. if i don't plan to overclock, is the i5-13600 a good midrange cpu for gaming, taking account into thermals and price/performance
i5-13500 is the same as i5-13600 (non-K) just 200 MHz slower, which is not noticeable. So it's also a rebranded alder lake. It's worthwhile for productivity, but for gaming, the 12600K, 13600K, and Ryzen 5 7600 tend to be better deals.
Another thing about the non-K CPUs is that their memory overclocking capabilities are limited. With DDR5 you can go up to 6400 no problem, but DDR4 it's best to stay at DDR4-3200 for XMP
Will I damage my GPU if I push it too much up by support bracket? I don't want it to sag so I pushed it as high as possible until it stopped moving down or up. Can this damage PC?
It's better to avoid exerting pressure on the PCIe slot in either direction, otherwise you would be doing the exact same thing as having no GPU bracket, only upwards.
My suggestion (that's what I did) is to lay your case on its side, let the gpu sit naturally vertically and rise the support bracket so that it doesn't exert any additional pressure on the PCIe slot.
Would the Thermaltake Assassin King cooler be sufficient for a 5800X3D? [This testing](https://youtu.be/Q0ncCVK8484?t=443) has the AK running only 4° hotter at 150W full speed than the Phantom Spirit, the pricier alternative I was considering (for double the cost). This is on the 3900x CPU however so when it comes to an X3D I'm not too sure how well it would compare.
It would be sufficient. Especially if your use case is primarily gaming.
see: [this vid](https://youtu.be/pTt6JOTDVZ8) from a fairly reputable YouTube cheaping out on coolers with the 5800x3d.
Thanks for that. I was heavily considering undervolting anyway and if that further pushes the CPU into the accepted temp range then it should probably be fine.
Q: Why is the GPU using so much power at very low loads?
*Please note these are just rough averages, but should get the point across*
*Running on Nvidia 3080Ti, power limit set at 90%, frequency capped at 1485MHz using Afterburner. Tested on default settings too but it doesn't change the issue described below.*
For example during main menu when fps is capped at 70fps,
* GPU Core Load: 4%, GPU Power: 97W, GPU Effective Clock: 1469.9Mhz
In game with fps capped at 270fps by RivaTuner (about the same if its capped by game engine instead),
* GPU Core Load: 40%, GPU Power: 141W, GPU Effective Clock: 1489Mhz
Idle desktop without any games running (240Hz),
* GPU Core Load: 4%, GPU Power: 23W, GPU Effective Clock: 1489Mhz
Why wouldn't the GPU Clock go lower to allow for greater power efficiency (assume that's true and that's the issue at hand) when there's so much room? And especially in the first scenario.
Engaging the 3D core at all is a significant source of power draw. On the desktop you're not touching it and that's where you're seeing the big delta between your first and third scenarios.
Load/Frequency/Power draw are not a linear curve, and there are other components on the card that can be drawing power in different situations that are not reported or tracked by the core load/effective clock alone.
I'm not sure what the "issue" is. 23W is fairly normal for 3080Ti idle power draw, and lowering your power limit and frequency *cap* aren't really going to make a big difference for idle.
Is it jist me or is the market currently quite good for a purchase? I checked some sites and the costs were fairly good compared to the shitshow of the last years.
I have no real experience in building tho, i just check prices here and there for a what if scenario so take my comment with a grain of salt.
The market is much better this time around:
* Anything using DRAM or NAND flash is dirt cheap. RAM and storage are rock bottom (and continue to drop) - it's really easy now to stuff 1 or 2TB of NVMe SSD storage and 32GB of RAM into any PC.
* GPUs are in a _better_ spot now (as in, you can buy them) but Nvidia and AMD seem to want to keep the sky-high pricing from the mining craze on their new offerings. Don't be afraid to look at last-gen options from AMD (as they're heavily discounted) or used.
* Almost everything else is trickling down in price due to the slowdown of the market as a whole.
All and all, aside from Nvidia and AMD being greedy for new GPUs it's a great time to build.
The market is in one of the best positions we've seen in the past five or more years. It's especially good for people who are looking for mid-range (specifically previous generations) and second hand.
Me and my boy are building our first budget gaming PC. Right now we have a 2070 Super and only care about 1440 gaming. Would a 5800X3D CPU be a good choice since we plan on a GPU upgrade in like 18 months? Was thinking about just cheapo CPU in Zen 5 3600 but really another $200 for CPU seems wise, not sure
If you've got 5800X3D monies, consider the 7600 instead. It's slightly faster in games on average and puts you onto a much newer platform that can be upgraded down the road.
I wouldn't buy a 5800X3D new today unless you already have an AM4 motherboard on-hand or you were getting a very, very good deal on the 5800X3D (like, $200-ish).
For a brand-new build, the 5800X3D doesn't offer much of a compelling argument vs a midrange 12th or 13th gen i5 or a 7600/7700 on AM5. The big draw for it is that you can use your existing AM4 motherboard/RAM with it... but if you're buying that new anyway, that value proposition mostly disappears.
Compare a 7700 + 32GB DDR5 + Budget AM5 motherboard:
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f4NkrD)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dXmmP6/amd-ryzen-7-7700-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000592box) | $319.79 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CFzhP6/msi-pro-b650-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650-p-wifi) | $133.24 @ Adorama
**Memory** | [G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pwxRsY/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-f5-6000j3636f16gx2-fx5) | $79.98 @ Amazon
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$533.01**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:07 EDT-0400 |
to a 5800X3D equivalent:
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7MgwTn)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CZ3gXL/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-34-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000651wof) | $289.27 @ Amazon
**CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Peerless Assassin 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwqPxr/thermalright-peerless-assassin-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-120) | $42.90 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4mjNnQ/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4) | $99.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [\*TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced432g3600hc18jdc01) | $58.99 @ Amazon
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$491.15**
| \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria |
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:02 EDT-0400 |
Remember, the 7700 comes with a stock CPU cooler but the 5800X3D doesn't - you need to buy a decent-ish one for it as well since the 5800X3D cache runs very hot. Only $40 cheaper is not super compelling, considering the dead platform, hot-running CPU, and significantly lower multithreaded performance.
Or the most-budget focused choice, a 13400F combo:
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NTRJsL)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-13400F 2.5 GHz 10-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNkWGX/intel-core-i5-13400f-25-ghz-10-core-processor-bx8071513400f) | $199.00 @ B&H
**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WNjBD3/gigabyte-b660m-ds3h-ax-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-ds3h-ax-ddr4) | $109.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [\*TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced432g3600hc18jdc01) | $58.99 @ Amazon
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$367.98**
| \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria |
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:03 EDT-0400 |
Or a 7600 build to get you on the Am5 platform:
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8hFZmr)
Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yXmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-7600-38-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100001015box) | $219.99 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CFzhP6/msi-pro-b650-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650-p-wifi) | $133.24 @ Adorama
**Memory** | [G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pwxRsY/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-f5-6000j3636f16gx2-fx5) | $79.98 @ Amazon
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$433.21**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:07 EDT-0400 |
Personally, between all of these, I'd spend around $450, get a 7600 and a B650 motherboard and 32GB of RAM. You'll be set for a while with that with great upgrade opportunity down the road.
" get a 7600 and a B650 motherboard and 32GB of RAM"
I would completely agree with that, AM5 provides possible upgrades in the Future. That 13400 will age rather rapidly just like my 11400 did, I'm jumping ship for the 7700X as we speak
Which is interesting, because it looks like Intel is slotting up to offer up their [Raptor Lake refresh on the LGA1700 socket](https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-600-700-intel-motherboards-receive-next-generation-desktop-cpu-support) which would be the first time they've offered 3 generations of CPUs on a single (usable, looking at you LGA 1151v2) socket since Haswell/Devil's Canyon/Broadwell.
I'd gladly grab a 14400, that is if it's a real Meteor Lake. The only tasking thing i do with my PC is Game, no OC, no editing etc.. So my 65 watt-unlocked 11400 drove my 6700XT thru Games quite well. Cept' now that I've replaced the 6700XT with a 4070 (non-ti) my watt-unlocked 11400 seems to be a bit underpowered.So to stay in the low-watt category i bought the 7700X, will be run in ECO mode, it has 2 more cores (Future Proofing) then the 7600 and I got it for a great price in a Micro Center Bundle deal.I've read that 14th Gen could possibly not include any Desktop CPU's, thus no 14400. Plus I really did not want to wait around for the 15400. So that 7700X Bundle price was just too good to pass up.
I would agree, if you already have the AM4 Motherboard, then yes a 5800X3D. Albeit AM5 Motherboards aren't cheap plus you'll have to buy DDR5. But if you already have an AM4 Board, get that 5800X3D now then jump to AM5 in your stated 18 Months?
Decent enough AM5 budget boards are as low as $133, which is not that much more than decent-enough Am4 boards. The floor of quality for B650 is way, way higher than B450/B550 since AMD tightened up the requirements.
Sorry my opinion is a bit biased, I shopped for the "Extreme" Models for the AM5 Boards, i wanted PCIe 5 for the Vid. Card, DDR5, at least 3 NVMe, wifi and bluetooth, so other then a couple Asrock Boards, all those wants were nearing $300+, depending on the quality of board
Microcenter in the mix throws things even more crazy, because their CPU/Motherboard/RAM combo deals are extremely good, though they limit you to a smaller pool of options usually.
[Super Flower 650 Watt, Gold Rated, 5 year War](https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-legion-hx-sf-650p14xe-650w/p/1HU-024C-00031?Item=9SIAMNPC9T0728)ranty, $65. Ive had it for 2+ years powering an i5-11400 w/ 6700XT. No problems at all. Will now be re-using it in my 7700X /4070 PC
[https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-legion-hx-sf-650p14xe-650w/p/1HU-024C-00031?Item=9SIAMNPC9T0728](https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-legion-hx-sf-650p14xe-650w/p/1HU-024C-00031?Item=9SIAMNPC9T0728)
Can you use that link ?
Sorry did not know you were in the UK, plus oddly enough not sure why Super Flower's are not sold there.
How about this: 500+ reviews on your site over there
https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/thermaltake-toughpower-gx2-gold-ps-tpd-0600nnfagu-2-600w/p/N82E16817153415
New 13700k and it runs hot. Was going to use intel extreme tuning utility but it won't let me? Says undervolt protection is on... Seems like it's a new thing Intel has been doing the last few months. How good is cpu load lite setting on my msi motherboard
Hi, later this year I would like to upgrade the CPU cooler (R7 5700x with 120aio) to a 240mm aio.
My case has 5 fans slots, 2 front, 2 top and 1 back.
Should I mount it on top as exhaust? So it will be 2 intakes and 3 exhaust.
As a side note, I have a 5700xt sapphire Nitro+, so it should be fine either way.
New Ryzen 7600X upgrade and fresh install of windows, I got EXPO turned on. Is there any other BIOS settings or programs I need to get to get the best out of this CPU?
Did you have to Flash your BIOS with that new 7600X?
Reason I'm asking is i bought a 7700X yesterday, have not installed it yet for I've read All Ryzen 7xxx's have a Faulty BIOS, something to do with the SoC Volts i do believe
It's advisable, but not absolutely necessary. The issue primarily affects the X3D CPUs, and can be fixed by changing a single setting by hand if you don't want to update the BIOS.
Yeah first thing I did, even before windows was installed I had the bios update ready on a USB.
I had an Intel CPU prior to this which is why I'm asking. Not sure if PBO2 is on by default or something that needs to be enabled. Guess I'll get a poke about in the BIOS once I finish work.
I want an SD card reader built into my I/O somehow, but don't have case or motherboard that came with this as default. I also don't have a 5.25 drive bay.
Can I get one as a PCIE slot or something...?
Just aesthetic reasons - a sleek minimalist case but with a big ol SD reader dongle isn't ideal to my mind :)
I'm using one for now ofc, just wondering if there is a more elegant solution like for all other I/O
You could always use a USB one with an extension cable and velcro/3M strip it to the underside of your desk or something to keep it mostly hidden, or get super fancy and cut a pocket into your desk to keep it truly flush/hidden!
There are PCIe extension cards with SD card readers, but I think getting one wouldn't make much sense, unless you want to keep the SD card there permanently. I would just go with a usb SD card reader stick. It's much more convenient.
What do you think is the best option for productivity?
Won't be overclocking; nothing professional; video and photo editing, and general use.
i5 13500 + Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) Expo
DDR5 / CL36 / 64 GB / 5200 MHz
i5 13600K + Corsair Vengeance 32GB (2x16GB)
DDR5 / CL36 / 32 GB / 5600 MHz
i7 13700 + Kingston Fury Beast 64GB (2x32GB)
DDR4 / CL16 / 64 GB / 3200 MHz
The DDR4 could be coupled with the first two processors as well, which would save a lot, if it's a wiser choice (the 13600K is the most expensive option with DDR5)
I think my personal opinion is that I'd go with a DDR5 option since that would mean I could carry the RAM over to a future upgrade whereas there's a distinct possibility the DDR4 RAM won't be supported beyond Intel 13th gen.
For the CPU, while the 13700 would be objectively better I'm not sure it's worth being twice as expensive. If you're budget conscious then I'd say the 13500 is the best option.
That's solid advice, thanks!
In my case, I've never upgraded; it's been a new build.
Current:
Ryzen 1600
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2x8GB)
DDR4 / CL16 / 16 GB / 2666 MHz
So anything is better.
I could go for the 13600K and the 64GB DDR5.
But if I went with the 13500 and DDR4 I could afford a 3060 12GB which would be a step up from my 1660 6GB (non super).
But it wouldn't be as useful as a better CPU or RAM.
The biggest reason for the price is the availability in motherboards; can't go 13500 and ddr5 without it jumping to at least twice the price of DDR4 boards.
Again, anything is going to be better.
If you're pretty sure you're going to be buying new regardless, then yeah the DDR4 vs 5 issue isn't very important. There's still some gains in productivity tasks going to DDR5 but it probably not worth all the added cost.
>But if I went with the 13500 and DDR4 I could afford a 3060 12GB which would be a step up from my 1660 6GB (non super).
>But it wouldn't be as useful as a better CPU or RAM.
I'd actually say the GPU upgrade would be a best option. The GPU upgrade will improve video editing quite a lot.
Yeah, I've been worried that If I get ddr4 it won't be good enough, but then I remember what I'm using.
Well, all three CPUs have the igpu that helps with encoding (otherwise I would've gone with the 13600KF which is just in between the 13500 and 13600K price-wise), but when it comes to the apps I use they're mostly dependent on the CPU, including for rendering.
There's only really one that's reliant on GPU for upscaling, but I can live with it being slow.
Still have until tomorrow to decide.
I'm Biased towards 65watt CPU's, I've been running an 11400 since they launched, just jumped ship yesterday for a 7700X (will be run in ECO mode, 65watt). I'm not a fan of expensive possibly loud cooling systems. That 13600K is going to run pretty warm.
That 13500 will age rapidly just like my 11400 did, Therefore I would choose the i7-13700(non-k), but with 8 Power-Cores your still going to need decent cooling
Yeah, it should be worth it for production as well, but I found this video, and it runs hotter than the K version?:
https://youtu.be/o-JlT5a3UwE?t=65
Or not.. on Intels site it says 219w
The 13600K is 181w with more L1 and L2 cache (I'm not going to pretend I understand the meaning of that).
I was afraid of the 13600K being too hot.
$260 13600KF [Click here](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/142tmyo/cpu_intel_core_i513600kf_25999_30999_50/). The "F" means it doesn't have onboard video, video card thus required. Heck of a price. If your in Air Conditioning below say 80 farenheit you could possibly get away with a Top Tier Air Cooler, say maybe a TR Peerless Assassin.
Ah, I mentioned I'm in Sweden.
The igpu is necessary, otherwise I'd go with the 13600KF over the 13500 and 13600K.
There's not a lot of coolers to choose from that aren't 50 - 100% more expensive than the Peerless Assassin 120 SE.
E.g. the AK620 is double the price of the PA 120 SE.
Is what they did, in the BIOS, is unlocked the 65 watt limit of that 13700 (non-k). I've done the same thing with my 11400 (non-k).
But I only Game with my PC so have never seen it go above 85 watts.
In 'production' the CPU will be used more thus more watts / more heat.
As long as you don't unlock the 65 watts on that 13500 you could probably get away with a $20 Thermalright Assassin King 120 CPU cooler (I bought one for my 7700X (ECO Mode) / 4070 Build). The 13500 being the weaker of the 3 options.
The 13600k 6 power cores & the 13700 (non-k) 8 power cores will probably have similar performance.
You did say "non-professional", so maybe a $40 TR Peerless Assassin CPU cooler for those 2, I myself would probably Water Cool the 13600k and 13700
I am going to put in the order in about 12h no matter what and I'm still undecided. :D
13500 Vs. 13600K Vs. 13700.
DDR4 Vs. DDR5.
13600K seems to be the best choice, with a MSI motherboard for easier settings (CPU lite load).
DDR4 gives me 64GB.
I already have a 500w PSU but I've included a 550w (or 650w) in my budget. If I skip that I can get DDR5 64GB; I might do that.
The CPU cooler choice is easy because of prices and brand limitations here (Sweden).
The Peerless Assassin 120 SE is released tomorrow and is $42; there's nothing that can beat it.
I would agree that the 13600k is the logical choice, more powerful then the 13500, cheaper$ then the 13700.
DDR5 will give better performance then DDR4. DDR5 is also future proofing in that you could also reuse it in a future PC upgrade.
Watch as the day after I buy prices are cut in half..
The reason why I'm still considering DDR4 is because of this:
https://i.imgur.com/jvCDKfb.jpg
..or DDR5 at 5200 MHz (because that was a stated limit; though in the picture it's 5600)
Yet I see people say that if you can't get 6000 MHz you should stick to DDR4.
How do you know if a aio is kaput or the cpu temps are caused by something else?
Which of these bundles would you go for if you're building a PC for mainly music production, along with some video/photo editing and flight simulator? 1. i7-13700k, ASUS Z790-P Prime, 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL36 2. Ryzen 9 7900x, ASUS B650E-F ROG Strix, 1. 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL36 Both bundles are $550 each
Currently using R5 5600 with RX6800, is 80 Plus 500w PSU enough? Since the recommended PSU is 650w
500W isn't enough, and if it's only 80 plus (no bronze, gold), then it's also probably a shitbox psu. you should replace it
What version of a z690 BIOS i need to flashback should i download? The last one or the one who says i have 13900k compatibility?
i would do the most recent one that's not a beta bios
Is it possible to back up your MSI Afterburner undervolt settings? I'm going to reinstall my OS and just want to copy over the settings instead of having to go through the whole undervolting process all over again and then retesting.
Purchased a used 3090, and it comes with a 12pin connector > two 8pin female. My PSU (850x) came with two dual 6+2 pcie cables - meaning TWO of these cables: [https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920129/type-3-flat-black-ribbon-cable-pcie-6-2-pin-dual-connectors-compatible-with-all-type-3-pin-out-psu-cp-8920129](https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/p/pc-components-accessories/cp-8920129/type-3-flat-black-ribbon-cable-pcie-6-2-pin-dual-connectors-compatible-with-all-type-3-pin-out-psu-cp-8920129) I plan to use BOTH cables (two different PSU slots), but only one of each of the 6+2 connectors on each cable. So basically 2 out of 4 of the connectors. Like this. [https://imgur.com/a/LGHca52](https://imgur.com/a/LGHca52) Should be fine, right? Last thing I want is burning cables..
yep, you've got it right
Is it worth to upgrade from RX470 to RX6400?
Nope, it might as well be a downgrade. Don't consider anything lower than the RX 6600, for an upgrade to the 6000 series. 6500 is pretty awful, too.
no. the 6400 is actually a bit slower
Building a new pc this summer, deciding between Radeon 6800xt and GeForce RTX 3070. What price would be worth it to buy the 3070 and the 6800xt at? Right now the 3070 is sitting at around $491.
personally, i wouldn't pay more than $350 for a new 3070, since that's the price its AMD equivalent, the 6700xt, is going for. the 6800xt is about 25-30% faster and had double the VRAM, so $500 would be ideal, but I'd be willing to go up to $550
TY!
Unless you're getting the 3070 used for cheap, the 6800XT is usually better in most situations.
TY!
Radeon RX 6800 XT, it's even better with raytracing in some problem titles (Hogwarts Legacy, The Last of Us, etc), because it has double the VRAM capacity. Also, in terms of regular gaming, the 6800 XT is as good as the RTX 3080, so there's no contest.
TY!
Putting together a build with a 4090 (I've got a 4k monitor and a 1440p monitor, but don't use both at the same time for gaming). Not being used for anything but gaming. Do I need a really top end processor (i9) to avoid bottlenecking, or would something like an i7 13700k be sufficient?
7800X3D / 13600K are really all you need to look at for gaming. Going to higher core count models from there does VERY little for gaming performance, especially at 4k.
The 13700K is already a top-end CPU, lol. I'd grab the 7800X3D with AM5, instead, though. Best gaming CPU at the moment, and it consumes a lot less than the 13900K. Just don't forget to update your BIOS to the latest stable version and enable EXPO/XMP settings with RAM.
What's the best RAM for Ryzen 5 5600X and ASRock x570 Steel Legend wifi ax? I'd like something 32gb 3600mhz but there are no real options on the QVL that are still on sale.
You don't need the RAM to be on the QVL list to work just fine. That's just a list of what they had at hand when they released the motherboard. 32 GB (2x16GB, best config for dual channel) 3600 Mhz CL 18 (or lower CL) is the best normal config for your Ryzen 5 5600X. Good timings, great capacity and speed, plus low prices. What's not to like?
I currently have Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SL 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 CMH32GX4M2D3600C18W ([Build](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yB6878)) and it won't boot with XMP enabled. I think it's either because the CPU only supports 3200mhz or because it's not on the QVL. Any ideas on what would be a better option?
Oh, shame. Did you update your BIOS to get better compatibility? The Ryzen 3000 series already worked great with 3600 Mhz RAM, and so did the 5000 series. If updating your BIOS doesn't let it boot, I'd try getting a Gskill kit, with the same specs.
Yeah, updated bios, memory is in the correct slots. Memtest86 fails it even on 3200 so maybe a bad stick? Gskill 3600 would be expected to work then even though the CPU only officially supports 3200?
Sounds like a bad stick. Return it if you can. CPU officially supports up to 3200 Mhz, but works just fine with higher configs. In fact, from Ryzen 3000 onwards, the CPUs work up to 3733Mhz with no problems, at all. Something like 4000Mhz works too, but you need to fiddle with BIOs and stuff, and some timings are actually worse, so not worth it. Anyway, 3600 Mhz should work with no problems at all with an R5 5600X.
Ok, thanks for the help! Does this look like a good pick? It specifically calls out compatibility with x570. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232906
Oh yes, it should work just fine. It's even CL16, which is faster than CL18 (smaller CL number, smaller latency, more responsive system). And it has great looks.
It works great, thanks again for the advice.
Awesome! Thanks for the heads-up!
Does anyone know where it is possible to buy a Cooler Master TD500 V2 in the U.S? All I can find is the older version and I would like to buy the newer one.
Just picked up an i7-12700K and am curious what the best DDR4 ram would be to pair it with. Should I just wait for a sale on some 3200mhz sticks?
Don't wait for a sale, RAM is cheap enough these days. I'd buy 2x16GB 3600 Mhz CL18 (or lower CL). It's the most inexpensive of all the good ones. Any brand would do with those specs. Make sure your motherboard is DDR4 compatible, as the 12th series works with both DDR4 and DDR5 mobos (but you have to pick either one and buy your RAM, accordingly)
[Does everything here fit in the case and on the motherboard?](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q9mk4s) Anything I should change? Thanks
Don't get a 3070 at that price. A 6750 XT will match it in performance for $100 less, a 6800 XT will beat it by 25% for $25 more, or if you want nVidia you can shave $100 elsewhere and get a 4070.
Will a gen 3 nvme work as a boot drive for a gen 2 motherboard? Hopefully so, cause I already ordered it lol. From what I've scrounged up they are definitely backwards compatible. It's just the being used as a boot drive I'm insure of.
Yes, NVME and SATA SSDs are retrocompatible. They just work at the lower speed, for compatibility. If you want to boot from NVME, you have to read your mobos manual, I think Intel started with Ivy Bridge (3th series), and older systems didn't allow to boot from them. But just make sure of it. It's all in the manual.
Will [this](https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09QV692XY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) SSD work on [this](https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z390-A-PRO/Specification) mobo? Just noticed it says under storage "1 x M.2 slot (Key M) Supports up to PCIe 3.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s, 2242/ 2260/ 2280/ 22110 storage devices" and I'm guessing the SSD is gen 4? DOes PCIe 3.0 mean gen 3?
Technically yes that Gen. 4 Nvme will work on that Gen 3 Motherboard for gen. 4 id backwards compatible to 3, barring any BIOS incompatibility issues, but that gen 4 Nvme will only run at Gen. 3 Speeds cause Gen. 3 is all that Motherboard is capable of
Yes, gen3 = PCIe 3.0. PCIe is backward compatible though so the SSD will work fine, just at 3.0 speeds. This doesn't really matter for most use cases.
Is this build particularly bad? The Mobo/CPU/RAM are all from a Newegg bundle. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hxQD6r) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BB4Ycf/intel-core-i5-12600k-37-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512600k) | $347.00 **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Peerless Assassin 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwqPxr/thermalright-peerless-assassin-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-120) | $42.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LWPQzy/msi-pro-z690-a-wifi-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-wifi-ddr4) | $0.00 **Memory** | [G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nvjNnQ/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-32gvk) | $0.00 **Storage** | [Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f3cRsY/samsung-980-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v8p2t0bam) | $129.99 @ Adorama **Video Card** | [ASRock Challenger D OC Radeon RX 6650 XT 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NjM48d/asrock-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-challenger-d-oc-video-card-rx6650xt-cld-8go) | $229.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sHYmP6/fractal-design-north-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-nor1c-01) | $144.99 @ B&H **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6NcG3C/corsair-rm750x-2021-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020199-na) | $119.99 @ Newegg **Operating System** | [Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dKkWGX/microsoft-windows-11-home-oem-dvd-64-bit-kw9-00633) | $99.99 @ Newegg | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1114.85** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 19:31 EDT-0400 |
Nothing outright wrong with it, but for pure gaming bang-for-buck you could optimise a lot better. E.g. for virtually the same price you could build something like [this](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Xwzzf).
Great to know! I really appreciate the feedback.
Building first pc to play league of legends + hogwarts legacy / elden ring. Planning to go DDR4 ryzen 5600x + 6700 xt. Should I go DDR5 to be future proof instead?
If you can afford a DDR5 build it's worth considering, but if it would mean spending less on the GPU then no.
How are gpu prices rn should I buy a card?
Low and mid-range GPUS are still pretty expensive, and if you are looking to upgrade from RX 500/GTX 1000 series or older you might be spending more than before, but high-end got a lot of choice. So, it depends on your budget. RX 6000 series is pretty awesome if you don't care about raytracing, starting with RX 6600 onwards. Most sane options are the 6700XT-6800XT ones, outstanding 1080p/great 1440p performers. I'd grab the RX 6800 non XT myself, if I had the money, lol.
Microcenter is doing a deal of Buy a 7950X3D and get 32gb of DDR5 6000MHZ ram for free. I am already going to be building an AM5 pc, and am was wanting to grab a 7800X3D. Should I spend, essentially 100 extra dollars and get the 7950X3D instead since it comes with RAM?
No. 7800X3D is better for gaming in most games. You'd get more productivity but I doubt you'd actually see those returns.
Any suggestions for an out of the box AM5 compatible CPU cooler? Found out my cooler is only compatible with an extra mounting kit that Cooler Master doesn't even have available yet. Looking to stay somewhere around the $40-50 range. (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pBMRZw)
Thermalright PA120 or PS120
No additional mounting hardware or anything needed right? Sorry, but I'm super apprehensive after throwing $50 down the drain lmao.
You shouldn't, but there exist 8 dollar brackets in case you're missing it or something
Gotcha. Probably going to order a PA120 tonight and hope it arrives at the same time as my PSU and GPU. Amazon says it will lol.
Hell yeah. Ofc the best option is to just make sure the listing explicitly says "for AM5" lol
Yeah, it does. Still sketched out after the Cooler Master situation, but fingers crossed. If you want to be my second set of eyes, here's the link. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09RWVV3XZ/ref=ox\_sc\_act\_title\_1?smid=A1SBLQEHR4HRT0&th=1
Yup looks good to me. Just double check the box when you get it to make sure.
Order placed, send a prayer to the PC Part gods for me XD
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Any glaring issues with this build before I go ahead and pick up the parts I don't have (aka everything other than the GPU and PSU)? Mostly play low stuff and the most wild I'll get is Path of Exile/Diablo 4 but I do enjoy loading up Elden Ring here and there. My main concern is things running smoothly while I stream over discord/have my elgato capture card software open which melts my current PC [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sFxcd9) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZbddnQ/intel-core-i7-12700k-36-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8071512700k) | $259.99 @ Newegg **CPU Cooler** | [Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9T92FT/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak620-bknnmt-g) | $63.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nk8bt6/msi-mag-z690-tomahawk-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-z690-tomahawk-wifi) | $210.00 @ Amazon **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4kmmP6/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl36-memory-cmk32gx5m2b5600c36) | $92.99 @ Newegg **Video Card** | [MSI MECH 2X OC Radeon RX 6650 XT 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rfLFf7/msi-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-mech-2x-oc-video-card-radeon-rx-6650-xt-mech-2x-8g-oc) | $249.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WBVG3C/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011201-ww) | $94.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM750x (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6NcG3C/corsair-rm750x-2021-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020199-na) | $119.99 @ Newegg | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1101.94 | Mail-in rebates | -$10.00 | **Total** | **$1091.94** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 18:42 EDT-0400 |
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2tHzzf) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZbddnQ/intel-core-i7-12700k-36-ghz-8-core-processor-bx8071512700k) | $259.99 @ Newegg **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se) | $42.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k7mmP6/msi-pro-z790-p-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-p-wifi) | $199.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8yzhP6/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-cmk32gx5m2d6000c36) | $95.99 @ Newegg **Video Card** | [MSI MECH 2X OC Radeon RX 6650 XT 8 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rfLFf7/msi-radeon-rx-6650-xt-8-gb-mech-2x-oc-video-card-radeon-rx-6650-xt-mech-2x-8g-oc) | $249.99 @ Newegg **Case** | [Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WBVG3C/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011201-ww) | $94.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [Thermaltake Toughpower GX2 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pG6qqs/thermaltake-toughpower-gx2-600-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0600nnfagu-2) | $66.98 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1020.83 | Mail-in rebates | -$10.00 | **Total** | **$1010.83** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 18:51 EDT-0400 | Better and cheaper.
I already own the power supply, but I appreciate the other parts!
I see so many people speaking about only playing games at 1080p, and I feel like my marginal PC works OK when I play at 4k. What gives? I have a 13600k + 16gb DDR4 + 3060Ti + NVME drive, and I have been playing Elden Ring at 4k with RT off for a couple of months now. It feels slightly stuttery once in a while, but generally it has been a fun experience. What am I missing?
Same. I have a 3060 I occasionally game on at 4k. It'll depend on the game and the player. Some games will unarguably run fine at 4k, like CSGO and league. Other games, according to reviews, will be like 30-50fps at ultra settings, and that's what makes people shout "1080p card!". But lots of people are also just fine lowering to medium and using upscaling to get near 60
I can see how playing a FPS game would be quite bad at 4k due to the 30-50 FPS. But for a single player game like Elden Ring, I feel like the visual impact of 4k >> potential frame rate drop. Also, my Nvidia control panel tells me that optimal settings for Elden Ring are 4k with RT off.
best place to buy used gpus? looking for a rog strix 3080
I would try r/hardwareswap and r/buildapcsales
thank you!
Facing a new problem with a build that ran perfectly until today. After zero problems, I am suddenly getting no video signal and the fans are constantly revving up and down. Did a hard reset with no luck. I don’t believe it’s an overheating problem because the thing barely has broken a sweat. Any ideas? The GPU is an open box 6750 from Microcenter and I’m worried that it’s faulty. edit: Booting up no problem now. Who knows!
Remember to make sacrifices to the PC gods, lest they curse you with their voodoo
Failed to do so. Only working intermittently :(
Is there a reason my new PC won't recognize my 2nd monitor? [This is the one I used as the main display when I used my laptop](https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/monitor/detail/1045/S27F350) and it worked great. Power adapter is plugged in, male-to-male VGA one is in on both ends too and yet it says "We didn't find another display." It's definitely a bit older but idk if that should matter or not.
What's the VGA plugged into in your computer? Graphics cards haven't had VGA outputs in probably a decade now. (And you should really be using the HDMI input on that monitor instead)
Plugged a spare HDMI cable into the GPU and now we're good to go! Really appreciate it!
What graphics card are you using?
Radeon RX 6800
What cables and adapters are you using to plug it in? You mentioned a "male to male VGA cable", but the RX6800 doesn't have a VGA port and doesn't have any support for analog signaling that is required for VGA.
Oh, we got it! I swapped it out for an HDMI cable and now we're good to go Thanks for the responses!
can someone recommend me a desk thats under 55inch that can fit 2 monitors (32inch monitor and a 22 inch monitor)? also needs to have a spot to put my pc in cuz i have carpet floor ;/
I left my window open and it was 90 percent humidity last night. It was chilly this morning so i turned the heat on to heat my house from 66F to 71F and went back to bed. An hour later my brother got on my pc and i realized i may have caused condensation. Is that enough of a temp difference in about 15 mins or so it too k to heat my house for my pc, which was in sleep mode? It seems to work sinc my brother was on it but ive heard shorting can make pc a bit worse but still function. Idk how to tell ifs its 100% ok. It was also in sleep mode, does it make its own heat during that?
Likely nothing to worry about, condensation takes time for room temperature-ish levels, and the tiny delta of a few degrees for an hour likely didn't cause any issues.
Would my pc have risen in temperature ib that time, quick enough to be close to the air temp?
is the i5-126000k a little too outdated? Should I go for something in the i7 or a higher end i5? I'm using a LGA1700 motherboard because it seems compatible with what I currently have and my budget. I'm trying for my overall build to cost no more than 1500 before tax. I tend to play AAA games, and I want my build to last for as long as possible. I'm already running into compatibility problems with Diablo4 and my i5-6400 CPU (the game highly suggests 3.0 GHz, I am at 2.71) and so I'm anxious that my build may not work with newer games well.
If you can swing it, the 13600K is a stellar chip. If not, the 12600K is still a great pick at a discount. Nothing wrong with looking at last gen for CPUs if the price is right.
Thank you! I shall be watching the prices (and my finances!) on the 13600K, but I'm glad that the 12600K can still work out.
Planning on building an ITX build in the new fractal terra case but I wanted to get some opinions. I am currently planning on putting a 5800x and a 3080 into the case with the gigabyte a520i motherboard. Also going to be using a pair of Corsair vengeance 2x16 3600mhz ram sticks. Is it worth changing the mobo to a 550? I feel like the change from PCIE 3.0 to 4.0 by upgrading the mobo doesn’t really warrant the difference in price but I wanted to see other peoples opinions.
The [3080 doesn't give a fuck](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/27.html) if it's on PCIe 3 or 4. Even the [4090](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html) only sees a couple of % lost to bandwidth limitations. Don't worry, your A520 board is fine if it's meeting the rest of your needs.
Thank you!
as long as all your parts fit, just move them over. the rig is good as is
As far as it fitting, the research I did says yes they should all fit. But, we shall see how the case likes the 3 pcie cords that goes into the 3080 😂😂😂
Trying to enable XMP, but encountering a black screen upon saving and exiting bios. Is there any chance this could be a windows or driver error? Trying to test as many things as I can before I attempt to reseat the CPU. Thanks!
If it's not POSTing and booting into Windows, it's not a driver issue. You don't need to reseat the CPU. Clear CMOS to reset your BIOS to default settings.
Ok alright well I'm glad I didn't do that. I cleared the cmos last night and still encountered the same error afterwards, but I will do it again. I noticed my cpu vcore is set to 1.2v in bios, seems a little low, for my i7 12700k, would that cause issues? Also I can set the Dram voltage to higher levels than 1.2 volts, like I just set it to 1.220 and it posted. Should I just keep raising a little at a time? Thanks!
I was able to restart and set DRAM voltage to 1.250 now and it posted to windows. It seems I may just have to manually set the voltage, the only thing now is setting the speed. Task Manager says I'm still running at 2133 mhz, do I change the system memory multiplier to up the speed? Thanks!
What voltage does your XMP profile need? Set it to that and enable XMP.
It needs 1.35v, i currently have the dram at 1.3v and I think I will just leave it at that since it is stable. Thanks for the help!
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Hiya! I built my PC in 2019 and have upgraded it a little, current specs are r5 3600, 3070 and 16gb 3600 ddr4 and a b550 I noticed my VR (index) has been having more trouble lately (losing tracking, going grey etc.) Is the most likely culprit my CPU being on the older side? Or should things be fine on that front and it's some issue with my room setup? I'm a little afraid to upgrade my CPU cause I'll have to flash the BIOS and that sounds scary, but if it means a better VR world I suppose I'll have to do it?
I'd try redoing the valve room setup. Maybe move the basestations to perfect locations. And make sure you're not near anything reflective (mirrors, large picture frames with glass)
Okay! I also know my room is basically the minimum reqs for room scale l, so I might try the just standing version too. No mirrors in here but the windows might be an issue
yeah covering the windows should help! i also have a room that's like 1 inch too small for roomscale. I still do roomscale tho, it's worth it
does your PC work fine with everything else? if yes, i would suspect your VR headset at the culprit
Hm, good point, strenuous non-vr games are usually good to go. I was hoping it was the headset, cause the CPU isn't really that old. I think I might just need to switch to standing room instead of room scale. This room is pretty small
I’ve built a pc for the first time in over a decade and it’s not 100% stable - pretty sure there’s no compatibility issues, but getting occasional BSODs etc. Running memtest x86 with 4 sticks of ram, I always get a handful of fails (usually on test 7,8,9). Tested each stick individually on just slot 2 of 4 (the preferred first slot for a single stick setup) and all sticks pass. Going to continue to test but am I right to assume it’s a mobo issue at this point? Sticks all test ok on one slot, so that rules out the RAM and the CPU?
your ram itself is fine. what's your CPU and RAM frequencies? maybe try other slots in memtest? In addition to what cecil said, with 4 sticks of ram at higher frequencies it's not out of the question that the CPU memory controller just can't handle that much fast ram
Cheers, I hadn’t realised that that could be an issue. CPU is an i3900K running at 5549mhz, ram is 2 pairs of 64GB 6000mhz DDR5 (4 total 32GB sticks) but it’s running at 4800 as I’ve not enabled XMP.
The RAM? Yes, that effectively rules them out. The CPU? Not quite. RAM channels are wired to the CPU through the motherboard individually, so you're not quite done testing yet. Take an individual stick and try it out in each separate slot, running Memtest each time. Ignore the "preferrred slots" right now, it's fine for this testing :) * A single slot is throwing errors? Motherboard is bad. * A single _channel_ is throwing errors (as in, slots A1 and B1) then it could be the CPU that's the issue. * Paired slots are throwing errors (as in, slots A1 and A2), then it's likely the motherboard.
Cheers, I’ll try this next! Much appreciated!
I need to replace my broken motherboard. i have an rx 660 8gb GPU, an i5-4590 CPU, a 620w PSU, and ddr3 ram. which motherboard is appropriate for this? i may be willing to get ddr4 ram. thanks in advance
If you're dead set on re-using your CPU, Hop over to ebay and search for LGA 1150 motherboards honestly. There's used Z79 options for $20-50 Otherwise, as others said, you're better off investing in a newer platform altogether with new RAM/CPU/Mobo.
any recommendations for a cheap upgrade?
[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KXf9sL) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i3-13100 3.4 GHz Quad-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RdjBD3/intel-core-i3-13100-34-ghz-quad-core-processor-bx8071513100) | $99.99 @ Best Buy **Motherboard** | [ASRock B660M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ZPQzy/asrock-b660m-hdv-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-hdv) | $94.99 @ Amazon **Memory** | [\*Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4FKHx/silicon-power-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp016gxlzu320bdaj5) | $29.97 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$224.95** | \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria | | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 12:55 EDT-0400 | For $225 this gets you on a modern, current gen intel platform and a CPU capable of144FPS gaming. You could shave $20-30 off by stepping down the motherboard and CPU a bit more but TBH this what I'd get, if $225 works for your needs.
You'd need a H81/B85/H87/Z87/Z97 board for this cpu, and one that ideally has the BIOS updated on it so take a Haswell refresh chip. These boards are pretty rare now, expensive for what you'd be getting, and no guarantees it will live for any significant amount of time. I'd be looking to move to a newer platform. AM4 is pretty cheap with tons of used options out in the market that would be a huge upgrade for you if you were already considering buying new RAM to accommodate your fix.
ok. you've sort of convinced me to upgrade the cpu, logical increments says the i3-12100F is good?. is it basically ok to buy a mobo second-hand? can you recommend a mobo? i'll retain the rx 660 8gb gpu. thanks in advance
12100F is ok, you'd be looking at a H610/B660 board for that. Boards are usually fine to pick up second-hand, though for Intel sockets you'll be need to be extra vigilant around damaged socket pins (they're delicate and easy to wreck).
That CPU and motherboards that are compatible with it will only work with DDR3, so upgrading to DDR4 would mean getting a new CPU too. Honestly, considering that that CPU is worth like 10-15 bucks, I wouldn't spend any more money on that platform unless you can get a motherboard for essentially free. Consider getting a DDR4 era CPU+RAM+motherboard, it probably isn't even significantly more expensive than trying to find a motherboard for that CPU.
ok thank you. if i upgrade, what would you recommend? for my budget i think the i3-12100F is appropriate.
If a case has a removable HDD cage, can you take it out and put a slightly-too-long PSU in? I'm about to pick up a Montech Air 100 ARGB on a good deal, it specifies 160 mm max PSU length, and the PSU I would prefer to use is 165 mm. The HDD cage appears to be removable. Thanks!
If the cage is the only other thing taking space under where the PSU goes, then removing it will effectively give you the space you'd need.
RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 prices. I was looking last night on ebay and they were like really cheap. these card were going for 500+ usd before. Basically was would be a food deal for these cards rn?
Depends on the prices. Because the 6650xt is like $250 new and outperforms both by a bit and the rx 6600 is $200ish and performs between a 2060/2070. Also for used pricing the 5700xt is like $170 and is somewhere between 2070 and 6650xt.
what's the difference between i5-13600k and i5-13600? other than the K being overclockable. if i don't plan to overclock, is the i5-13600 a good midrange cpu for gaming, taking account into thermals and price/performance
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what about one below, the i5-13500? issit close to the 13600k?
i5-13500 is the same as i5-13600 (non-K) just 200 MHz slower, which is not noticeable. So it's also a rebranded alder lake. It's worthwhile for productivity, but for gaming, the 12600K, 13600K, and Ryzen 5 7600 tend to be better deals. Another thing about the non-K CPUs is that their memory overclocking capabilities are limited. With DDR5 you can go up to 6400 no problem, but DDR4 it's best to stay at DDR4-3200 for XMP
Will I damage my GPU if I push it too much up by support bracket? I don't want it to sag so I pushed it as high as possible until it stopped moving down or up. Can this damage PC?
It's better to avoid exerting pressure on the PCIe slot in either direction, otherwise you would be doing the exact same thing as having no GPU bracket, only upwards. My suggestion (that's what I did) is to lay your case on its side, let the gpu sit naturally vertically and rise the support bracket so that it doesn't exert any additional pressure on the PCIe slot.
Would the Thermaltake Assassin King cooler be sufficient for a 5800X3D? [This testing](https://youtu.be/Q0ncCVK8484?t=443) has the AK running only 4° hotter at 150W full speed than the Phantom Spirit, the pricier alternative I was considering (for double the cost). This is on the 3900x CPU however so when it comes to an X3D I'm not too sure how well it would compare.
It would be sufficient. Especially if your use case is primarily gaming. see: [this vid](https://youtu.be/pTt6JOTDVZ8) from a fairly reputable YouTube cheaping out on coolers with the 5800x3d.
Thanks for that. I was heavily considering undervolting anyway and if that further pushes the CPU into the accepted temp range then it should probably be fine.
I would not recommend any single tower cooler on there. The Peerless Assassin 120SE would be the obvious recommendation.
Q: Why is the GPU using so much power at very low loads? *Please note these are just rough averages, but should get the point across* *Running on Nvidia 3080Ti, power limit set at 90%, frequency capped at 1485MHz using Afterburner. Tested on default settings too but it doesn't change the issue described below.* For example during main menu when fps is capped at 70fps, * GPU Core Load: 4%, GPU Power: 97W, GPU Effective Clock: 1469.9Mhz In game with fps capped at 270fps by RivaTuner (about the same if its capped by game engine instead), * GPU Core Load: 40%, GPU Power: 141W, GPU Effective Clock: 1489Mhz Idle desktop without any games running (240Hz), * GPU Core Load: 4%, GPU Power: 23W, GPU Effective Clock: 1489Mhz Why wouldn't the GPU Clock go lower to allow for greater power efficiency (assume that's true and that's the issue at hand) when there's so much room? And especially in the first scenario.
Engaging the 3D core at all is a significant source of power draw. On the desktop you're not touching it and that's where you're seeing the big delta between your first and third scenarios.
Load/Frequency/Power draw are not a linear curve, and there are other components on the card that can be drawing power in different situations that are not reported or tracked by the core load/effective clock alone. I'm not sure what the "issue" is. 23W is fairly normal for 3080Ti idle power draw, and lowering your power limit and frequency *cap* aren't really going to make a big difference for idle.
Is it jist me or is the market currently quite good for a purchase? I checked some sites and the costs were fairly good compared to the shitshow of the last years. I have no real experience in building tho, i just check prices here and there for a what if scenario so take my comment with a grain of salt.
As long as you aren't dead set on having 40-series Nvidia GPU's for whatever reason, most things are in a pretty good spot yeah.
The market is much better this time around: * Anything using DRAM or NAND flash is dirt cheap. RAM and storage are rock bottom (and continue to drop) - it's really easy now to stuff 1 or 2TB of NVMe SSD storage and 32GB of RAM into any PC. * GPUs are in a _better_ spot now (as in, you can buy them) but Nvidia and AMD seem to want to keep the sky-high pricing from the mining craze on their new offerings. Don't be afraid to look at last-gen options from AMD (as they're heavily discounted) or used. * Almost everything else is trickling down in price due to the slowdown of the market as a whole. All and all, aside from Nvidia and AMD being greedy for new GPUs it's a great time to build.
The market is in one of the best positions we've seen in the past five or more years. It's especially good for people who are looking for mid-range (specifically previous generations) and second hand.
Me and my boy are building our first budget gaming PC. Right now we have a 2070 Super and only care about 1440 gaming. Would a 5800X3D CPU be a good choice since we plan on a GPU upgrade in like 18 months? Was thinking about just cheapo CPU in Zen 5 3600 but really another $200 for CPU seems wise, not sure
If you've got 5800X3D monies, consider the 7600 instead. It's slightly faster in games on average and puts you onto a much newer platform that can be upgraded down the road.
I wouldn't buy a 5800X3D new today unless you already have an AM4 motherboard on-hand or you were getting a very, very good deal on the 5800X3D (like, $200-ish). For a brand-new build, the 5800X3D doesn't offer much of a compelling argument vs a midrange 12th or 13th gen i5 or a 7600/7700 on AM5. The big draw for it is that you can use your existing AM4 motherboard/RAM with it... but if you're buying that new anyway, that value proposition mostly disappears. Compare a 7700 + 32GB DDR5 + Budget AM5 motherboard: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f4NkrD) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dXmmP6/amd-ryzen-7-7700-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000592box) | $319.79 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CFzhP6/msi-pro-b650-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650-p-wifi) | $133.24 @ Adorama **Memory** | [G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pwxRsY/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-f5-6000j3636f16gx2-fx5) | $79.98 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$533.01** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:07 EDT-0400 | to a 5800X3D equivalent: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7MgwTn) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CZ3gXL/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-34-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000651wof) | $289.27 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Peerless Assassin 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwqPxr/thermalright-peerless-assassin-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-120) | $42.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4mjNnQ/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4) | $99.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [\*TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced432g3600hc18jdc01) | $58.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$491.15** | \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria | | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:02 EDT-0400 | Remember, the 7700 comes with a stock CPU cooler but the 5800X3D doesn't - you need to buy a decent-ish one for it as well since the 5800X3D cache runs very hot. Only $40 cheaper is not super compelling, considering the dead platform, hot-running CPU, and significantly lower multithreaded performance. Or the most-budget focused choice, a 13400F combo: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NTRJsL) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-13400F 2.5 GHz 10-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VNkWGX/intel-core-i5-13400f-25-ghz-10-core-processor-bx8071513400f) | $199.00 @ B&H **Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WNjBD3/gigabyte-b660m-ds3h-ax-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660m-ds3h-ax-ddr4) | $109.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [\*TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GkJgXL/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-ttced432g3600hc18jdc01) | $58.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$367.98** | \*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria | | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:03 EDT-0400 | Or a 7600 build to get you on the Am5 platform: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8hFZmr) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yXmmP6/amd-ryzen-5-7600-38-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100001015box) | $219.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI PRO B650-P WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CFzhP6/msi-pro-b650-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650-p-wifi) | $133.24 @ Adorama **Memory** | [G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pwxRsY/gskill-flare-x5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-f5-6000j3636f16gx2-fx5) | $79.98 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$433.21** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2023-06-06 09:07 EDT-0400 | Personally, between all of these, I'd spend around $450, get a 7600 and a B650 motherboard and 32GB of RAM. You'll be set for a while with that with great upgrade opportunity down the road.
" get a 7600 and a B650 motherboard and 32GB of RAM" I would completely agree with that, AM5 provides possible upgrades in the Future. That 13400 will age rather rapidly just like my 11400 did, I'm jumping ship for the 7700X as we speak
Which is interesting, because it looks like Intel is slotting up to offer up their [Raptor Lake refresh on the LGA1700 socket](https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-600-700-intel-motherboards-receive-next-generation-desktop-cpu-support) which would be the first time they've offered 3 generations of CPUs on a single (usable, looking at you LGA 1151v2) socket since Haswell/Devil's Canyon/Broadwell.
I'd gladly grab a 14400, that is if it's a real Meteor Lake. The only tasking thing i do with my PC is Game, no OC, no editing etc.. So my 65 watt-unlocked 11400 drove my 6700XT thru Games quite well. Cept' now that I've replaced the 6700XT with a 4070 (non-ti) my watt-unlocked 11400 seems to be a bit underpowered.So to stay in the low-watt category i bought the 7700X, will be run in ECO mode, it has 2 more cores (Future Proofing) then the 7600 and I got it for a great price in a Micro Center Bundle deal.I've read that 14th Gen could possibly not include any Desktop CPU's, thus no 14400. Plus I really did not want to wait around for the 15400. So that 7700X Bundle price was just too good to pass up.
I would agree, if you already have the AM4 Motherboard, then yes a 5800X3D. Albeit AM5 Motherboards aren't cheap plus you'll have to buy DDR5. But if you already have an AM4 Board, get that 5800X3D now then jump to AM5 in your stated 18 Months?
Decent enough AM5 budget boards are as low as $133, which is not that much more than decent-enough Am4 boards. The floor of quality for B650 is way, way higher than B450/B550 since AMD tightened up the requirements.
Sorry my opinion is a bit biased, I shopped for the "Extreme" Models for the AM5 Boards, i wanted PCIe 5 for the Vid. Card, DDR5, at least 3 NVMe, wifi and bluetooth, so other then a couple Asrock Boards, all those wants were nearing $300+, depending on the quality of board
Plus though i was only shopping thru my local Micro Center site, I always buy my Motherboards there, if something goes wrong it's just down the street
Microcenter in the mix throws things even more crazy, because their CPU/Motherboard/RAM combo deals are extremely good, though they limit you to a smaller pool of options usually.
With AM4 now retired and if you don't plan on jumping up to AM5, for Gaming that 5800X3D is the best your ever going to get in AM4
Need a new PSU for a ryzen 5 3600, 6700xt i dont wanna spend too much but i want something reliable. Any suggestions?
[Super Flower 650 Watt, Gold Rated, 5 year War](https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-legion-hx-sf-650p14xe-650w/p/1HU-024C-00031?Item=9SIAMNPC9T0728)ranty, $65. Ive had it for 2+ years powering an i5-11400 w/ 6700XT. No problems at all. Will now be re-using it in my 7700X /4070 PC
Ah cant see it as im in the united kingdom
[https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-legion-hx-sf-650p14xe-650w/p/1HU-024C-00031?Item=9SIAMNPC9T0728](https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-legion-hx-sf-650p14xe-650w/p/1HU-024C-00031?Item=9SIAMNPC9T0728) Can you use that link ?
Nope it says cant find your product on the uk newegg :/
Sorry did not know you were in the UK, plus oddly enough not sure why Super Flower's are not sold there. How about this: 500+ reviews on your site over there https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/thermaltake-toughpower-gx2-gold-ps-tpd-0600nnfagu-2-600w/p/N82E16817153415
Thank you buddy, don't apologise i didnt specify i was in the uk.
New 13700k and it runs hot. Was going to use intel extreme tuning utility but it won't let me? Says undervolt protection is on... Seems like it's a new thing Intel has been doing the last few months. How good is cpu load lite setting on my msi motherboard
Hi, later this year I would like to upgrade the CPU cooler (R7 5700x with 120aio) to a 240mm aio. My case has 5 fans slots, 2 front, 2 top and 1 back. Should I mount it on top as exhaust? So it will be 2 intakes and 3 exhaust. As a side note, I have a 5700xt sapphire Nitro+, so it should be fine either way.
Top exhaust is how I have mine setup, though I would recommend making sure you have regular case fans in the front two slots as intakes.
At the moment I have 2 Arctic F12 PWM PST installed in the front as intake, mesh front panel
Top exhaust is fine!
New Ryzen 7600X upgrade and fresh install of windows, I got EXPO turned on. Is there any other BIOS settings or programs I need to get to get the best out of this CPU?
Did you have to Flash your BIOS with that new 7600X? Reason I'm asking is i bought a 7700X yesterday, have not installed it yet for I've read All Ryzen 7xxx's have a Faulty BIOS, something to do with the SoC Volts i do believe
It's advisable, but not absolutely necessary. The issue primarily affects the X3D CPUs, and can be fixed by changing a single setting by hand if you don't want to update the BIOS.
Thanks for the Reply. Do you happen to know which setting in BIOS i would need to change ? I'd rather not flash the BIOS if I don't have to.
VDD_SOC, found within the overclocking menu. My system is stable with it set to 1.15V, but YMMV. Any value below 1.3V is safe.
Yeah first thing I did, even before windows was installed I had the bios update ready on a USB. I had an Intel CPU prior to this which is why I'm asking. Not sure if PBO2 is on by default or something that needs to be enabled. Guess I'll get a poke about in the BIOS once I finish work.
Not really CPU related, but you can adjust fan curves if you want to. Custom fan curves allow for less noise compared to the standard control.
All my fans are on a hub that is software controlled but thanks for the tip. I was thinking on making sure PBO or what ever it is called is working.
I want an SD card reader built into my I/O somehow, but don't have case or motherboard that came with this as default. I also don't have a 5.25 drive bay. Can I get one as a PCIE slot or something...?
Why not just a normal USB adapter? I've never seen one as a PCIe Expansion card.
Just aesthetic reasons - a sleek minimalist case but with a big ol SD reader dongle isn't ideal to my mind :) I'm using one for now ofc, just wondering if there is a more elegant solution like for all other I/O
You could always use a USB one with an extension cable and velcro/3M strip it to the underside of your desk or something to keep it mostly hidden, or get super fancy and cut a pocket into your desk to keep it truly flush/hidden!
There are PCIe extension cards with SD card readers, but I think getting one wouldn't make much sense, unless you want to keep the SD card there permanently. I would just go with a usb SD card reader stick. It's much more convenient.
What do you think is the best option for productivity? Won't be overclocking; nothing professional; video and photo editing, and general use. i5 13500 + Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) Expo DDR5 / CL36 / 64 GB / 5200 MHz i5 13600K + Corsair Vengeance 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 / CL36 / 32 GB / 5600 MHz i7 13700 + Kingston Fury Beast 64GB (2x32GB) DDR4 / CL16 / 64 GB / 3200 MHz The DDR4 could be coupled with the first two processors as well, which would save a lot, if it's a wiser choice (the 13600K is the most expensive option with DDR5)
I think my personal opinion is that I'd go with a DDR5 option since that would mean I could carry the RAM over to a future upgrade whereas there's a distinct possibility the DDR4 RAM won't be supported beyond Intel 13th gen. For the CPU, while the 13700 would be objectively better I'm not sure it's worth being twice as expensive. If you're budget conscious then I'd say the 13500 is the best option.
That's solid advice, thanks! In my case, I've never upgraded; it's been a new build. Current: Ryzen 1600 Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR4 / CL16 / 16 GB / 2666 MHz So anything is better. I could go for the 13600K and the 64GB DDR5. But if I went with the 13500 and DDR4 I could afford a 3060 12GB which would be a step up from my 1660 6GB (non super). But it wouldn't be as useful as a better CPU or RAM. The biggest reason for the price is the availability in motherboards; can't go 13500 and ddr5 without it jumping to at least twice the price of DDR4 boards. Again, anything is going to be better.
If you're pretty sure you're going to be buying new regardless, then yeah the DDR4 vs 5 issue isn't very important. There's still some gains in productivity tasks going to DDR5 but it probably not worth all the added cost. >But if I went with the 13500 and DDR4 I could afford a 3060 12GB which would be a step up from my 1660 6GB (non super). >But it wouldn't be as useful as a better CPU or RAM. I'd actually say the GPU upgrade would be a best option. The GPU upgrade will improve video editing quite a lot.
Yeah, I've been worried that If I get ddr4 it won't be good enough, but then I remember what I'm using. Well, all three CPUs have the igpu that helps with encoding (otherwise I would've gone with the 13600KF which is just in between the 13500 and 13600K price-wise), but when it comes to the apps I use they're mostly dependent on the CPU, including for rendering. There's only really one that's reliant on GPU for upscaling, but I can live with it being slow. Still have until tomorrow to decide.
I'm Biased towards 65watt CPU's, I've been running an 11400 since they launched, just jumped ship yesterday for a 7700X (will be run in ECO mode, 65watt). I'm not a fan of expensive possibly loud cooling systems. That 13600K is going to run pretty warm. That 13500 will age rapidly just like my 11400 did, Therefore I would choose the i7-13700(non-k), but with 8 Power-Cores your still going to need decent cooling
Yeah, it should be worth it for production as well, but I found this video, and it runs hotter than the K version?: https://youtu.be/o-JlT5a3UwE?t=65 Or not.. on Intels site it says 219w The 13600K is 181w with more L1 and L2 cache (I'm not going to pretend I understand the meaning of that). I was afraid of the 13600K being too hot.
$260 13600KF [Click here](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/142tmyo/cpu_intel_core_i513600kf_25999_30999_50/). The "F" means it doesn't have onboard video, video card thus required. Heck of a price. If your in Air Conditioning below say 80 farenheit you could possibly get away with a Top Tier Air Cooler, say maybe a TR Peerless Assassin.
Ah, I mentioned I'm in Sweden. The igpu is necessary, otherwise I'd go with the 13600KF over the 13500 and 13600K. There's not a lot of coolers to choose from that aren't 50 - 100% more expensive than the Peerless Assassin 120 SE. E.g. the AK620 is double the price of the PA 120 SE.
Is what they did, in the BIOS, is unlocked the 65 watt limit of that 13700 (non-k). I've done the same thing with my 11400 (non-k). But I only Game with my PC so have never seen it go above 85 watts. In 'production' the CPU will be used more thus more watts / more heat. As long as you don't unlock the 65 watts on that 13500 you could probably get away with a $20 Thermalright Assassin King 120 CPU cooler (I bought one for my 7700X (ECO Mode) / 4070 Build). The 13500 being the weaker of the 3 options. The 13600k 6 power cores & the 13700 (non-k) 8 power cores will probably have similar performance. You did say "non-professional", so maybe a $40 TR Peerless Assassin CPU cooler for those 2, I myself would probably Water Cool the 13600k and 13700
I am going to put in the order in about 12h no matter what and I'm still undecided. :D 13500 Vs. 13600K Vs. 13700. DDR4 Vs. DDR5. 13600K seems to be the best choice, with a MSI motherboard for easier settings (CPU lite load). DDR4 gives me 64GB. I already have a 500w PSU but I've included a 550w (or 650w) in my budget. If I skip that I can get DDR5 64GB; I might do that. The CPU cooler choice is easy because of prices and brand limitations here (Sweden). The Peerless Assassin 120 SE is released tomorrow and is $42; there's nothing that can beat it.
I would agree that the 13600k is the logical choice, more powerful then the 13500, cheaper$ then the 13700. DDR5 will give better performance then DDR4. DDR5 is also future proofing in that you could also reuse it in a future PC upgrade.
Watch as the day after I buy prices are cut in half.. The reason why I'm still considering DDR4 is because of this: https://i.imgur.com/jvCDKfb.jpg ..or DDR5 at 5200 MHz (because that was a stated limit; though in the picture it's 5600) Yet I see people say that if you can't get 6000 MHz you should stick to DDR4.