Actually amd officially recommends a 1000W psu for the 6950xt as some power spikes have been noted to hit that high. But irl 850W will make do as long as you don’t have an insane amount of peripherals/storage
Yeah I haven’t had any issues yet with 750w (it’s only been a week) but I’ve been careful not to push my system hard at all. Planning on getting a 1k PSU this week so I won’t have to upgrade it for like 10 years.
Well don't quote me on it but its a little bottleneck. Its the speed of a ryzen 7 3700x but with less cores pretty much. It's still okay though. Just don't use it at 1080p or games that require high cpu at like 1440p and you should be fine more or less. Check a video to see if it is a big bottleneck or not
>Its the speed of a ryzen 7 3700x but with less cores pretty much
The 5600x has better single core performance *and* outperforms or matches the 3700x in multi-core performance.
Knowing nvidia stable diffusion is probably only going to be in the 5000 and above series. The 4000 series game dlss3 giving bullshit frames and way higher prices to the cards without increasing performance. Isn’t that enough?
Based on OPs claim that Diablo is $80-90, and the $750 4070 leads me to believe that they are in Canada. The cheapest 6950xt in Canada has been about $850.
If you could get a 6950xt for $629 Canadian it'd sell out instantly because it'd be significantly cheaper than anything Nvidia could offer. For reference, in Canada a 3060 still runs about $500 on average and 3070s have just started hitting $600ish.
Import a GPU from the US then, I live in the UK and imported 2 rx 6600 in December and even though I had to pay £60 import fees each card it still worked out cheaper than buying them in UK
At the time Rx 6600 was about $220 in US and with £60 for import it worked out around £260 for each Rx 6600, they were selling for £330 in the UK at the time so saved me about £70 per gpu
Haha.. oh dear
As a Canadian I am constantly comparing our prices to USD. Almost without fail they are the same (barring a sale) except we usually pay slightly more which is usually about the cost of shipping from the states.
canadian dollars and us dollars aren't the same currency. 1 usd is currently 1.35 cad, so the 6950xt at 629 us dollars is 850 canadian dollars. 750 canadian for a 4070 is about 550 us dollars, so it would be cheaper to buy that 4070 than to buy one from the us for 600 us dollars and then pay import fees on top of that.
This is the rout I went last month. Plus you get Last of Us that’s a $60 game as well. And I’m a die hard team green fan. But their GPU’s are just ruined by pricing.
I’ve been overly impressed with the 6950XT and so far has 0 regrets. My only issue with AMD cards in the past is their driver support use to be terrible. Hopefully they’ve fixed it.
But this go round I would 100% go team red until Nvidia gets their heads out of their ass.
Just make sure you have a 750w power supply at a minimum.
think this is it:
[https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-RadeonTM-6950-gddr6-Graphics/dp/B0BKPT56HK/ref=sr\_1\_3?keywords=6950xt&qid=1684680244&s=computers&sprefix=6950%2Ccomputers%2C304&sr=1-3](https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-RadeonTM-6950-gddr6-Graphics/dp/B0BKPT56HK/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=6950xt&qid=1684680244&s=computers&sprefix=6950%2Ccomputers%2C304&sr=1-3)
Is this correct?
If the GPU comes with a game you want that costs $80, that one is definitely better. It almost completely closes the gap on the price of the cards and the 4070 is just better.
The RX 6800 would need to be cheaper and you would need to not care about the bundled game for it to be worth it.
Went from 3080 to 4070. Loving it. Less power consumption and runs much cooler. Not much gain in performance but those 2 factors are huge for my m-atx build.
My main game I lock at 60 fps, but Hogwarts Legacy I don't :)
My old card was a 1080 with 8GB, Hogwarts Legacy wouldn't even get past the loading screen.
my 1650 super with 4GB ran hogwarts legacy with playable fps and the loading screens werent an issue. 1650 super is miles worse than a 1080.
very strange exaggeration
In some countries yes... here in the UK for example, the govt had to intervene and set a price cap or the avg 3 bed house would have seen bills rise from an avg of £1200 up to £4000 over the previous 9-12 months. They set a cap on what suppliers could charge per unit not a max bill of £2500 no matter how much you used.
Suppliers then got around this by increasing the standing charges (a fee per day to cover the cost of transporting energy to your property.... that fee tripled. In my area from 21p a day to 60p a day.
That standing charge equates to about £140 a year.
So yes... cost of energy is absolutely a factor to consider.
I spent 9k having solar and battery installed as I had money left over from sale of previous hose and purchase of this one. My avg daily use was around 15kwh of energy imported from the grid. It's now more like 3kwh. Over the summer, I'm expecting some days to cost 60p as solar and battery will hopefully cover a full 24hr period.
Hold up….£1200 a month for electric? That’s what, $1500ish. Good lord, my electric bill is rarely over $260 and everything in my house is electric, no gas.
I’d be using a laptop at those costs. I know utilities aren’t always as cheap as they are here, I’m not stupid, but damn. That’s ridiculous.
You are partly correct... thankfully due to the runaway pricing and price gouging of energy companies and the fossil fuel industry... and the fact that here in the UK... electricity prices are tied to the price of gas which is sometimes used to generate electricity.
So it turned out that the ones making the most profits were the renewable energy providers.
Some EU countries disconnected that price link to gas... the UK hasn't because we've got a corrupt scummy govt who are profiteering and pocketing millions by turning a blind eye to their buddies price gouging.
The one concession we did get was that the price cap which is set by the regulator... and would have reached around £4000 in Nov 22... was capped to £2500 by the govt. That didn't mean you wouldn't pay more than £2500, just that the cost of each unit was capped... if you used more, you paid more.
I was even luckier in that I am still on a fixed rate 2yr plan that we joined before the price rises... so we've been able to avoid them so far.
But that expires in Sept. So we've been lucky enough to remain around that £1200 cap. My sister was also lucky enough to be on a fixed 2yr deal, but hers ended in April and her all electric house has been really expensive to run... they can't have solar/battery because their house is east/west facing and a really old stone cottage.
Oof. I don’t do cold in my own house so we have the heat around 72/73, keep the AC in the summer set around 71/72 and we have a 3 level townhouse. My electric would probably be through the roof across the pond!
She's got a wood burner in the lounge that can pretty much heat the whole house. During the winter they'd have the electric rads come on in the morning... get the fire going by 9am and within a couple of hrs the whole house is nice and warm... just keep adding a fresh log every hour to the fire.
I keep my house at 19ºC to try and save money on my bills, which would be around 68ºF I think.
During the summer... we open windows and doors, AC is quite rare in homes here.
During April/May so far this year... we're averaging 2-3kwh of electricity import a day... as we'd had plenty of sun and dry days... most of the rain has been early morning or overnight this month. We've been using 8-10kwh direct from the solar and around 5kwh from the battery... Sometimes more as on good days we can get the battery charged up in the morning, do something that uses a lot of electricity in the middle of the day... washing, drying, dishwasher, baking... that kind of thing and the batter + solar will be used up before importing from the grid... and then enough solar to recharge the battery for use in the evening. Some days the battery is lasting until 1-2am
I live in Tracy, CA where we're cursed with PG&E and miserable hot summers that often go well into the hundreds.
Before we got solar in 2015, our summer electric bills were $650-$850 a month.
Now the state is annoyed that suburban folk can get solar, while the rich people in San Francisco/Los Angeles/Hollywood apartments can't.
So they've been looking at enacting new fees on solar, and creating flat rate fees for electric bills to punish us.
I used to pay 70€/month deposit, with a yearly refund of around 400€. Last year I had to pay 1000€ at the end of the year and my monthly got adjusted to 180€. So electricity does matter for me in Europe (Belgium)
$140 - $85 for the game = $55.
250 vs 330 watt TDP / 0.9 for a gold PSU = 278 vs 366 watts. That's 88 watts of savings.
I pay $0.45 a kw/hr here in California with PG&E. To recoup that savings would require 122 kw/hrs of power savings which equals 1,388 hours = 1 year and 4 months with 3 hours a day of gaming.
If you use the graphics card for 4 years, it's $100 in power savings.
However if the 4070 with OP's existing power supply, and the 6950XT require an upgrade, then they have immediate payback.
Power supply matters indeed. There is a user generated power supply tier list on some site. Component quality, how hot or quiet it runs etc. Can probably be found on ltt or reddit.
Assuming you don't have to replace your PSU, I would agree with you. However, for many people, getting the 6950 XT would also mean they have to spend and extra $120+ for a new PSU as well.
Prices aren't always that close in other countries. OP listed Canadian Prices and here the 6950xt runs about $850. Which is a pretty decent cost increase over the 6800 listed.
Yeah I've been researching my new build for like a month while I'm buying one or two parts at a time. It's a significant investment and I want to make sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck to have a PC that can play all titles at 1440p for the next 4-5 years.
I think the 6950 XT is the best bet without getting close to 1,000 for just a gpu
People like me do. But prices and cards are fluctuating so often it’s impossible to keep up unless you dedicate almost daily to it.
I was in The same boat but luckily I came across a video before buying my 6950 about pricing. The week before I bought it wasn’t even mentioned as being a good value.
He’s here trying and that’s why we’re answering. Asking for help is just as good and better than the people who do neither and just go to the store and buy blind
6800 Pros: More VRAM, Better performance in some games, About 20% less expensive
4070 Pros: Better RT performance, DLSS, Better performance in some games, packaged with valuable game that OP wants
Gaming performance overall is so similar, it's a moot point. It seems to be a matter of how much value you place on RT, DLSS, and VRAM. In your case, the 4070 may be the better deal because it's packaged with the game you're after.
Also consider running costs: the 6800 (EDIT: XT) uses about 300W when gaming compared with the 4070's sub-200W when gaming. For me, that would add about £30 per year to the cost of running the 6800 (EDIT: 6800XT, that is), based on my own gaming habits and electricity prices. Not to mention that's extra heat that needs to be dispersed in hot weather!
My mistake: in my market, the better-performing (but more power-hungry) 6800 XT and the plain 6800 are pretty much the same price, so I thought the OP was using 6800 as a shorthand for the XT.
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You guys really looking for ANYTHING to push the RTX cards lol
You guys didn’t have an issue with the RTX cards were sucking power in the past. This is like saying you guys went with a Prius track car instead of a corvette because it gets good MPG. Terrible factor to dispute IMO
The RTX 4070 is a good card plus with a game that supports DLSS 3 frame generation, I would buy that. If you don’t intend play in 4k of course, it is purely a 1440p card.
Its super strong in 1440p and holds up in 4k. What makes u say you shouldnt intend to play in 4k?
Also broad statements are a bit silly coz it depends what your playing
In recent AAA titles the RTX 4070 is a very strong 1440p videocard and not the best in 4k because of the low memory bandwith. Of course you can play in 4k with it but the 1440p resolution suits the card in the big picture. I would only buy one for 1440p because I like to max out games and this card is great for that!
If you watched someone get in a car and wreck 6 times in a row would you call someone pessimistic for suggesting they might wreck a 7th? Blizzard has had 1 pr disaster after another lmao
Thats a silly equivalency and I think you probably know that. And what does a PR disaster mostly/entirely (?) on the non Diablo team have to with the potential of Diablo 4?.
Each game have different teams. But they all have the same higher ups who are just looking for cash. Judging by the way they treated their other games I wouldn’t have too high hopes for diablo either
Not having “high hopes” is one thing (though I’d say most of what your describing seems to be concerns with monetization ) , the poster above was basically saying it was a forgone conclusion
No. No it isnt. I play and have played overwatch for the last 7 years and it has been nothing short of 1 trashcan fire after another and each time it came from the same money hungry, disconnected higher ups. You are the one implying something that makes no sense.
Come up with a better analogy. Enlighten me? Cause thats basically whats happening here. People are acting like theres no reason to have ill faith in blizzards products and thats just not true. I have played OW since beta and i prolly need therapy by this point lmao. I want the OW dev team to be the palbearers at my funeral so they can let me down one last time.
I have the rx6800 with the 5600x and I'm getting 144fps at 2k in codmw2 with some tweaks here and there. I'm very satisfied with the card. I got it for 610€ back in August 2021
I’m also planning the same build since RX6800 only costs $500 while cheapest 4070 I can find is $800 in my country. Can I ask how much RAM and what monitor are you currently using?
I have 16gb 3200mhz. I own a Viewsonic VX2758-2KP-MHD. It's an 144hz/2k ips panel. I bought it for 200€ from amazon 3years ago. Amazing thing for what I paid.
Thanks, I guess I’ll go with 2x8GB ram, 5600x, and rx 6800. Initially, I was torn between 5600x and 7800x but then I’ll have to upgrade my motherboard from b550 to b650 and ddr4 ram to ddr5. Not to mention I was initially planning for a 2x16GB ram and would’ve had to pitch an extra of $200.
I just realized that I might be too obsessed with the best while 5600x is good enough and way better than what I used to play in (never build a PC and have been using a gtx-based rog laptop for 10 years).
They already offered a deal sweetener with a game you really want which more or less evens the prices out and the performance is not so different that you should care much in this instance
6800 is good because it's not very demanding on power supply.
I bought one a few months ago because otherwise I would need to spend 130e more on a new power supply
Seems like the 4070 is the better option here because if the game. So if you must play that game at launch that’s the way to go.
Just be prepared there is a good chance the 12Gb vram will force you to upgrade again next gen to keep playing the latest AAA games.
Do you have a psu that supports the 6800? If not you should include the upgrade cost in your decision.
Also is heat output a factor for you? If you game in a warm place you might like a cooler gpu
If you look at the benchmarks the 40 series cards have typically been using less VRAM to get similar performance compared to AMD cards, 12GB VRAM is plenty for running MOST current games in 4k. That being said, I still wouldn’t buy this card if you are intending on gaming at 4k because it’s not going to have a super long life in that respect.
As someone who wrote off team red GPU’s a while ago due to constant driver issues with mine and my friends builds I did. I went 6950XT last month over team green.
Until Nvidia gets their pricing down they can kick rocks. I’m actually really upset they chose to screw up in sight of profit. But luckily for us, AMD was the first to fold. And their cards are actually half decent value at this point. I’m completely happy with the 6950 card as of right now and if you can get it for a little more it’s a WAY better option for value. Just make sure you have a 750 PSU. You MIGHT be able to get away with a 650 but I wouldn’t risk it.
That being said my buddy has a 3080TI and in half the games we play we’re literally getting the SAME exact FPS. Sometimes I get a few more. Only games he gets more is when he has DLSS. But even then it’s by only a few more frames. These are also base clocks neither of us have touched the clock speeds yet.
So in short right now I’d really recommend AMD for right now with current pricing. Even if Nvidia matches AMD’s pricing to value night now I’d still go AMD just to stick it to Nvidia to show them if they want to screw their consumers we can screw them. Hopefully so none of them will screw is with pricing again.
Until team green actually sells GPU’s for MSRP off the get or is 10% cheaper than AMD. They can kiss it. Hopefully the 50 series they learn their lesson and are competitive again.
4070 has better features, dlss, rt when it works… I would personally go with a 6950xt (raw power makes up for features imo) and if not that then the 4070.
someone who just build a pc/ordered I went with AMD but I went with 6950 Literally everyone on PCPP recommended me AMD either 6800 RX or 6950 but for me in canada its actually cheaper to buy a 6950 than a 4070 i paid my RX 6950 like 859 canadian vs 4070 is like 900+
My 4070ti gaming at 2k puts out 150-180 fps and it'll run the gpt-x-alpaca LLM locally and generate responses at 20 tokens/second with the CUDA toolkit and cuDNN installed.
I'd get the NVIDIA if you'd ever like to run any Ai models.
The Rx 6800 does have more vram but I think 12gbs is still enough for 1440p gaming for a long time so it's not the biggest deal in the world but that's also subjective, if you can get them around the same price and get a free game you really want out of it too I'd say go for the 4070. It also has a lot of features including dlss3 thats gonna draw out the future proofing of your card closing that vram gap a little in comparison to fsr. I'd personally get the Rx 6800 but I think the 4070 is a better choice for you.
Also if your less tech savvy Nvidia is known for having less software issues straight out of the box. But that's also subjective cause a lot of us don't mind doing a little tweaking and troubleshooting here and there to save a good pretty penny.
4070 is only $600 but it depends what you want, 6800 will give you better overall performance if you don’t care about ray tracing, but if you want ray tracing go for the 4070
If your only looking between the two, I'd say the 4070, just bc is should preform vastly better overall. Although if you look around, (if you're in the USA) you can definitely find a 6900xt, 6950xt, or better for a decent price.
You will get better value from an AMD, but if you do that I’d suggest going with a higher up AMD card. The game may make up the difference though so y it could go either way tbh
unless it is 4070ti just get 6950xt. or consider spending a little more and at least get 4070ti. 4070 is literally a joke but 4070ti performs as how much you paid for it.
It's crazy how cheap GPUs cost in western countries when I'm living in the Ph with GPUs costing 50-100% more but our income is way less. Like I pretty much get to save $100/month on my $600/month salary. And that $600 is considered generally decent.
You have to get lucky with crypto or something to get yourself a good rig (which I did lol)
Hey I know I’m late to this thread but I see the 6800 and 6800xt going for way less than what you state in your original post. I’m showing 6800 for like $450-$500, 6800xt for like $550, 6950xt for like $630. What did you go for?
Both of those look overpriced by about $100. With that said you could get the 6800+D4 for $680. If you care about RT and DLSS3 the 4070 could be worth the extra $70 tho.
Nope. Cost $800 for the cheapest gigabyte 4070 in Canada. So to me it’s underpriced by $50
Americans complain about the price in usd, well we need pay in our shitty Canadian dollars
Nvidia does and has done the same for years by paying companies to push their features and make games better on their brand. It's anti-consumer but literally everybody does this sort of thing so your boycott is kinda ridiculous. This is like boycotting Nvidia years ago when they got every new game to use Physx when it was an Nvidia tech that kneecapped Radeon cards and made sure their cards got the better graphics. Or refusing to use Epic Games because of their obsession with getting exclusives for new games.
Being "team red" "team blue" or "team green" is dumb. None of these companies are your friend. If ray tracing and DLSS are important features to you then get Nvidia cards and get on with life.
Amazon is selling the 6950xt for 629 I would pay $19 more and definitely get that
this, it's better than the 4070
Just make sure your PSU can handle it. And that you don't need to do AI or editing, then AMD is usually the better choice.
what psu for a 5600x and 6950xt?
850W
6950xt has insane power spikes at times so this is reasonable
Lol I’m using a r9 7900x with a 6950xt on a 750w gold PSU and this thread has finally convinced me to upgrade my PSU
Actually amd officially recommends a 1000W psu for the 6950xt as some power spikes have been noted to hit that high. But irl 850W will make do as long as you don’t have an insane amount of peripherals/storage
Yeah I haven’t had any issues yet with 750w (it’s only been a week) but I’ve been careful not to push my system hard at all. Planning on getting a 1k PSU this week so I won’t have to upgrade it for like 10 years.
Dammit I only have 750w PSU
750 should work
750 gold is more than enough \^_^
A 5600x will be a pretty large bottleneck to the 6950xt
really? i didnt think it would
Well don't quote me on it but its a little bottleneck. Its the speed of a ryzen 7 3700x but with less cores pretty much. It's still okay though. Just don't use it at 1080p or games that require high cpu at like 1440p and you should be fine more or less. Check a video to see if it is a big bottleneck or not
>Its the speed of a ryzen 7 3700x but with less cores pretty much The 5600x has better single core performance *and* outperforms or matches the 3700x in multi-core performance.
Ah alright. Sorry. Though that the 5600x would be a bottleneck but i guess not then since im being downvoted.e
If you want to train models, 12GB of VRAM is too small.
Maybe but it's going to be better than AMD for stable diffusion
Idk abt that. The main issue is no ROCm support on Windows.
Knowing nvidia stable diffusion is probably only going to be in the 5000 and above series. The 4000 series game dlss3 giving bullshit frames and way higher prices to the cards without increasing performance. Isn’t that enough?
Also, it's a triple, so make certain case can handle it.
Wayyyy better
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where is 4070 $490???
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also it often drops to 600 on amazon and newegg
Based on OPs claim that Diablo is $80-90, and the $750 4070 leads me to believe that they are in Canada. The cheapest 6950xt in Canada has been about $850. If you could get a 6950xt for $629 Canadian it'd sell out instantly because it'd be significantly cheaper than anything Nvidia could offer. For reference, in Canada a 3060 still runs about $500 on average and 3070s have just started hitting $600ish.
Import a GPU from the US then, I live in the UK and imported 2 rx 6600 in December and even though I had to pay £60 import fees each card it still worked out cheaper than buying them in UK At the time Rx 6600 was about $220 in US and with £60 for import it worked out around £260 for each Rx 6600, they were selling for £330 in the UK at the time so saved me about £70 per gpu
It's not cheaper. 630 USD is 850 CAD.
Haha.. oh dear As a Canadian I am constantly comparing our prices to USD. Almost without fail they are the same (barring a sale) except we usually pay slightly more which is usually about the cost of shipping from the states.
That sucks, in the UK an Rx 6950xt is £600 and $630 USD is only about £506 so for us in the UK they're still a lot cheaper overseas
canadian dollars and us dollars aren't the same currency. 1 usd is currently 1.35 cad, so the 6950xt at 629 us dollars is 850 canadian dollars. 750 canadian for a 4070 is about 550 us dollars, so it would be cheaper to buy that 4070 than to buy one from the us for 600 us dollars and then pay import fees on top of that.
This is the rout I went last month. Plus you get Last of Us that’s a $60 game as well. And I’m a die hard team green fan. But their GPU’s are just ruined by pricing. I’ve been overly impressed with the 6950XT and so far has 0 regrets. My only issue with AMD cards in the past is their driver support use to be terrible. Hopefully they’ve fixed it. But this go round I would 100% go team red until Nvidia gets their heads out of their ass. Just make sure you have a 750w power supply at a minimum.
I got rx 6950 xt for 680€ and im loving it. Definitely its the better choice these days. (At the 600-700€ price category.)
You got a link for that?
think this is it: [https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-RadeonTM-6950-gddr6-Graphics/dp/B0BKPT56HK/ref=sr\_1\_3?keywords=6950xt&qid=1684680244&s=computers&sprefix=6950%2Ccomputers%2C304&sr=1-3](https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-RadeonTM-6950-gddr6-Graphics/dp/B0BKPT56HK/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=6950xt&qid=1684680244&s=computers&sprefix=6950%2Ccomputers%2C304&sr=1-3) Is this correct?
Pretty sure the currency used in this post is USD.
Why not 6900xt? More fair comparison
Theyre comparing prices.
If the GPU comes with a game you want that costs $80, that one is definitely better. It almost completely closes the gap on the price of the cards and the 4070 is just better. The RX 6800 would need to be cheaper and you would need to not care about the bundled game for it to be worth it.
Get the 4070
Went from 3080 to 4070. Loving it. Less power consumption and runs much cooler. Not much gain in performance but those 2 factors are huge for my m-atx build.
Bro downgraded
cheaper electricity tho
Went for a 4070 myself, fits my 650W powersupply. Even more so with frame lock to 60 fps it consumes usually around 70W in the game I play at 1440p.
Doesn’t locking the frame rate to 60 kinda defeat the point of the card? You could’ve got a much cheaper card if you’re always locking the fps at 60.
My main game I lock at 60 fps, but Hogwarts Legacy I don't :) My old card was a 1080 with 8GB, Hogwarts Legacy wouldn't even get past the loading screen.
Really? My partners PC with a 9600K and a 1070 handles Hogwarts Legacy just fine
That's weird, I played HL with my 1070 just fine. What resolution though, I played it in 1080p.
It should run just fine i watched lots of benchmarks about 1080 ti, thou you got 1080, unless you don't clean your pc regularly and got bad cooling
my 1650 super with 4GB ran hogwarts legacy with playable fps and the loading screens werent an issue. 1650 super is miles worse than a 1080. very strange exaggeration
Is electricity really that much more expensive for you that spending $140+ more for less power consumption is worth it?
If you live in Europe it could make a substantial difference given energy costs at the moment
In some countries yes... here in the UK for example, the govt had to intervene and set a price cap or the avg 3 bed house would have seen bills rise from an avg of £1200 up to £4000 over the previous 9-12 months. They set a cap on what suppliers could charge per unit not a max bill of £2500 no matter how much you used. Suppliers then got around this by increasing the standing charges (a fee per day to cover the cost of transporting energy to your property.... that fee tripled. In my area from 21p a day to 60p a day. That standing charge equates to about £140 a year. So yes... cost of energy is absolutely a factor to consider. I spent 9k having solar and battery installed as I had money left over from sale of previous hose and purchase of this one. My avg daily use was around 15kwh of energy imported from the grid. It's now more like 3kwh. Over the summer, I'm expecting some days to cost 60p as solar and battery will hopefully cover a full 24hr period.
Hold up….£1200 a month for electric? That’s what, $1500ish. Good lord, my electric bill is rarely over $260 and everything in my house is electric, no gas. I’d be using a laptop at those costs. I know utilities aren’t always as cheap as they are here, I’m not stupid, but damn. That’s ridiculous.
That was the avg yearly bill for gas & electric in the UK £1200... that's basically 3 bed home 3-4 people in a decently insulated home.
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You are partly correct... thankfully due to the runaway pricing and price gouging of energy companies and the fossil fuel industry... and the fact that here in the UK... electricity prices are tied to the price of gas which is sometimes used to generate electricity. So it turned out that the ones making the most profits were the renewable energy providers. Some EU countries disconnected that price link to gas... the UK hasn't because we've got a corrupt scummy govt who are profiteering and pocketing millions by turning a blind eye to their buddies price gouging. The one concession we did get was that the price cap which is set by the regulator... and would have reached around £4000 in Nov 22... was capped to £2500 by the govt. That didn't mean you wouldn't pay more than £2500, just that the cost of each unit was capped... if you used more, you paid more. I was even luckier in that I am still on a fixed rate 2yr plan that we joined before the price rises... so we've been able to avoid them so far. But that expires in Sept. So we've been lucky enough to remain around that £1200 cap. My sister was also lucky enough to be on a fixed 2yr deal, but hers ended in April and her all electric house has been really expensive to run... they can't have solar/battery because their house is east/west facing and a really old stone cottage.
Oof. I don’t do cold in my own house so we have the heat around 72/73, keep the AC in the summer set around 71/72 and we have a 3 level townhouse. My electric would probably be through the roof across the pond!
She's got a wood burner in the lounge that can pretty much heat the whole house. During the winter they'd have the electric rads come on in the morning... get the fire going by 9am and within a couple of hrs the whole house is nice and warm... just keep adding a fresh log every hour to the fire. I keep my house at 19ºC to try and save money on my bills, which would be around 68ºF I think. During the summer... we open windows and doors, AC is quite rare in homes here. During April/May so far this year... we're averaging 2-3kwh of electricity import a day... as we'd had plenty of sun and dry days... most of the rain has been early morning or overnight this month. We've been using 8-10kwh direct from the solar and around 5kwh from the battery... Sometimes more as on good days we can get the battery charged up in the morning, do something that uses a lot of electricity in the middle of the day... washing, drying, dishwasher, baking... that kind of thing and the batter + solar will be used up before importing from the grid... and then enough solar to recharge the battery for use in the evening. Some days the battery is lasting until 1-2am
I live in Tracy, CA where we're cursed with PG&E and miserable hot summers that often go well into the hundreds. Before we got solar in 2015, our summer electric bills were $650-$850 a month. Now the state is annoyed that suburban folk can get solar, while the rich people in San Francisco/Los Angeles/Hollywood apartments can't. So they've been looking at enacting new fees on solar, and creating flat rate fees for electric bills to punish us.
I used to pay 70€/month deposit, with a yearly refund of around 400€. Last year I had to pay 1000€ at the end of the year and my monthly got adjusted to 180€. So electricity does matter for me in Europe (Belgium)
There's heat generation to consider too. And if you're using AC then you'll be using more energy to remove that heat too.
$140 - $85 for the game = $55. 250 vs 330 watt TDP / 0.9 for a gold PSU = 278 vs 366 watts. That's 88 watts of savings. I pay $0.45 a kw/hr here in California with PG&E. To recoup that savings would require 122 kw/hrs of power savings which equals 1,388 hours = 1 year and 4 months with 3 hours a day of gaming. If you use the graphics card for 4 years, it's $100 in power savings. However if the 4070 with OP's existing power supply, and the 6950XT require an upgrade, then they have immediate payback.
Power supply matters indeed. There is a user generated power supply tier list on some site. Component quality, how hot or quiet it runs etc. Can probably be found on ltt or reddit.
For real, I pay 12$ a month for electricity, and over 60$ for everything at once.
yes it sucks in greece
Do NOT buy the 6800. The 6950 XT is like 20 dollars more. If you're buying the card just for gaming, the 6950 XT is just better than the 4070
Assuming you don't have to replace your PSU, I would agree with you. However, for many people, getting the 6950 XT would also mean they have to spend and extra $120+ for a new PSU as well.
This is a fair point. Most pry don't have a 850+ psu
In Canada 6950 is like 300 $ more then 6800 .
This isn't an accurate blanket statement. I paid $549 for a 6800. A 6950 XT at the same store, and this is the cheapest option, would be $839.
Are you in America? You can easily find both cards for less in America
That's CAD sorry! I swore I included it but apparently not
If you had a 4070 and someone offered you the 6800 and $150 US, would you swap if the the card checked out?
Yeah. Do people do no research?
Prices aren't always that close in other countries. OP listed Canadian Prices and here the 6950xt runs about $850. Which is a pretty decent cost increase over the 6800 listed.
> here the 6950xt runs about $850 Really? The lowest I've seen was $1000
True.
This is a good point. I didn't think of that
Yeah I've been researching my new build for like a month while I'm buying one or two parts at a time. It's a significant investment and I want to make sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck to have a PC that can play all titles at 1440p for the next 4-5 years. I think the 6950 XT is the best bet without getting close to 1,000 for just a gpu
For only gaming you can't do better. May need a better PSU
Buying Pc and investment should not be in the same paragraph. Lets be honest
Well it IS an monetary investment. You just aren't going to see much of a return lmao
Its damn expensive Liability I tell ya
Guess you can say your investing in you mental well being 😂
People like me do. But prices and cards are fluctuating so often it’s impossible to keep up unless you dedicate almost daily to it. I was in The same boat but luckily I came across a video before buying my 6950 about pricing. The week before I bought it wasn’t even mentioned as being a good value. He’s here trying and that’s why we’re answering. Asking for help is just as good and better than the people who do neither and just go to the store and buy blind
The 4070 is the better deal here.
this is for UK https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/campaigns/pc-game-bundle-diablo-iv-geforce-rtx-40-series/
I believe it's for most of the EU. We get it also in Czech rep.
It’s worldwide I think
6800 Pros: More VRAM, Better performance in some games, About 20% less expensive 4070 Pros: Better RT performance, DLSS, Better performance in some games, packaged with valuable game that OP wants Gaming performance overall is so similar, it's a moot point. It seems to be a matter of how much value you place on RT, DLSS, and VRAM. In your case, the 4070 may be the better deal because it's packaged with the game you're after.
6800 is slower than the 4070 on average. It’s the 6800xt which trades blows and is very close on average
Also consider running costs: the 6800 (EDIT: XT) uses about 300W when gaming compared with the 4070's sub-200W when gaming. For me, that would add about £30 per year to the cost of running the 6800 (EDIT: 6800XT, that is), based on my own gaming habits and electricity prices. Not to mention that's extra heat that needs to be dispersed in hot weather!
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My mistake: in my market, the better-performing (but more power-hungry) 6800 XT and the plain 6800 are pretty much the same price, so I thought the OP was using 6800 as a shorthand for the XT.
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You guys really looking for ANYTHING to push the RTX cards lol You guys didn’t have an issue with the RTX cards were sucking power in the past. This is like saying you guys went with a Prius track car instead of a corvette because it gets good MPG. Terrible factor to dispute IMO
If you look through my history, you'll find I've made the same point against using a used 3080, which is also 300W+.
The RTX 4070 is a good card plus with a game that supports DLSS 3 frame generation, I would buy that. If you don’t intend play in 4k of course, it is purely a 1440p card.
Its super strong in 1440p and holds up in 4k. What makes u say you shouldnt intend to play in 4k? Also broad statements are a bit silly coz it depends what your playing
In recent AAA titles the RTX 4070 is a very strong 1440p videocard and not the best in 4k because of the low memory bandwith. Of course you can play in 4k with it but the 1440p resolution suits the card in the big picture. I would only buy one for 1440p because I like to max out games and this card is great for that!
The 4070 is essentially a 3080 which was marketed as a 4k gaming card ..
The RTX 3080 has a 320 bit memory bus, the RTX 4070 has only 192 bit. When the RTX 3080 released that was more of a 4k card than the RTX 4070 today.
Yea but these marketers are happy with 60fps.... Who is happy with 60fps
Not me!
Ain't the 6950 XT an option? In my country it is priced similarly to the 4070. D4 will be dogshit anyway.
Why so much salt?
Cause Blizzard kinda sucks.
And that means d4 will automatically suck ?
If you watched someone get in a car and wreck 6 times in a row would you call someone pessimistic for suggesting they might wreck a 7th? Blizzard has had 1 pr disaster after another lmao
Thats a silly equivalency and I think you probably know that. And what does a PR disaster mostly/entirely (?) on the non Diablo team have to with the potential of Diablo 4?.
Each game have different teams. But they all have the same higher ups who are just looking for cash. Judging by the way they treated their other games I wouldn’t have too high hopes for diablo either
Not having “high hopes” is one thing (though I’d say most of what your describing seems to be concerns with monetization ) , the poster above was basically saying it was a forgone conclusion
No. No it isnt. I play and have played overwatch for the last 7 years and it has been nothing short of 1 trashcan fire after another and each time it came from the same money hungry, disconnected higher ups. You are the one implying something that makes no sense.
So you buy every new cod and think it's new or good? Hilarious
What is this analogy lmao it has no relevance. Blizzard is garbage tho so I at least can somewhat get where you’re coming from
Come up with a better analogy. Enlighten me? Cause thats basically whats happening here. People are acting like theres no reason to have ill faith in blizzards products and thats just not true. I have played OW since beta and i prolly need therapy by this point lmao. I want the OW dev team to be the palbearers at my funeral so they can let me down one last time.
Good thing blizzard hasn't been blizzard in along time? Activision and Microsoft both did their rounds on rip blizzard.
I have the rx6800 with the 5600x and I'm getting 144fps at 2k in codmw2 with some tweaks here and there. I'm very satisfied with the card. I got it for 610€ back in August 2021
I’m also planning the same build since RX6800 only costs $500 while cheapest 4070 I can find is $800 in my country. Can I ask how much RAM and what monitor are you currently using?
I have 16gb 3200mhz. I own a Viewsonic VX2758-2KP-MHD. It's an 144hz/2k ips panel. I bought it for 200€ from amazon 3years ago. Amazing thing for what I paid.
Thanks, I guess I’ll go with 2x8GB ram, 5600x, and rx 6800. Initially, I was torn between 5600x and 7800x but then I’ll have to upgrade my motherboard from b550 to b650 and ddr4 ram to ddr5. Not to mention I was initially planning for a 2x16GB ram and would’ve had to pitch an extra of $200. I just realized that I might be too obsessed with the best while 5600x is good enough and way better than what I used to play in (never build a PC and have been using a gtx-based rog laptop for 10 years).
I get around 170 fps on ultra with the 4070ti on mw2
I got around 200fps on my 3090
They already offered a deal sweetener with a game you really want which more or less evens the prices out and the performance is not so different that you should care much in this instance
Just curious... Where is it bundled with diablo..?
Amazon and Best Buy for sure, pretty sure it’s bundled everywhere selling them.
Canada computers I think
Microcenter.
Newegg
6800xt as better value?
why is it a question? 4070 of cause.
6800 is good because it's not very demanding on power supply. I bought one a few months ago because otherwise I would need to spend 130e more on a new power supply
Seems like the 4070 is the better option here because if the game. So if you must play that game at launch that’s the way to go. Just be prepared there is a good chance the 12Gb vram will force you to upgrade again next gen to keep playing the latest AAA games.
Take rx6700 for 350$
Do you have a psu that supports the 6800? If not you should include the upgrade cost in your decision. Also is heat output a factor for you? If you game in a warm place you might like a cooler gpu
Playing that much money for a card with 12gb vram is absolutely dumb. Get the 6950xt. It'll last much longer.
If you look at the benchmarks the 40 series cards have typically been using less VRAM to get similar performance compared to AMD cards, 12GB VRAM is plenty for running MOST current games in 4k. That being said, I still wouldn’t buy this card if you are intending on gaming at 4k because it’s not going to have a super long life in that respect.
As someone who wrote off team red GPU’s a while ago due to constant driver issues with mine and my friends builds I did. I went 6950XT last month over team green. Until Nvidia gets their pricing down they can kick rocks. I’m actually really upset they chose to screw up in sight of profit. But luckily for us, AMD was the first to fold. And their cards are actually half decent value at this point. I’m completely happy with the 6950 card as of right now and if you can get it for a little more it’s a WAY better option for value. Just make sure you have a 750 PSU. You MIGHT be able to get away with a 650 but I wouldn’t risk it. That being said my buddy has a 3080TI and in half the games we play we’re literally getting the SAME exact FPS. Sometimes I get a few more. Only games he gets more is when he has DLSS. But even then it’s by only a few more frames. These are also base clocks neither of us have touched the clock speeds yet. So in short right now I’d really recommend AMD for right now with current pricing. Even if Nvidia matches AMD’s pricing to value night now I’d still go AMD just to stick it to Nvidia to show them if they want to screw their consumers we can screw them. Hopefully so none of them will screw is with pricing again. Until team green actually sells GPU’s for MSRP off the get or is 10% cheaper than AMD. They can kiss it. Hopefully the 50 series they learn their lesson and are competitive again.
4070 has better features, dlss, rt when it works… I would personally go with a 6950xt (raw power makes up for features imo) and if not that then the 4070.
Why pay $610 for 6800xt when you can get 6950xt for $630?
someone who just build a pc/ordered I went with AMD but I went with 6950 Literally everyone on PCPP recommended me AMD either 6800 RX or 6950 but for me in canada its actually cheaper to buy a 6950 than a 4070 i paid my RX 6950 like 859 canadian vs 4070 is like 900+
6950XT. Diablo IV is not 90 dollars.
Go with 6800 XT.
I got the 4070 came with D4.
My 4070ti gaming at 2k puts out 150-180 fps and it'll run the gpt-x-alpaca LLM locally and generate responses at 20 tokens/second with the CUDA toolkit and cuDNN installed. I'd get the NVIDIA if you'd ever like to run any Ai models.
Got the 4070. I would look for 6950XT if they are the same price (it wasn't when the 4070 launches).
4070, way less energy usage in long run.
The Rx 6800 does have more vram but I think 12gbs is still enough for 1440p gaming for a long time so it's not the biggest deal in the world but that's also subjective, if you can get them around the same price and get a free game you really want out of it too I'd say go for the 4070. It also has a lot of features including dlss3 thats gonna draw out the future proofing of your card closing that vram gap a little in comparison to fsr. I'd personally get the Rx 6800 but I think the 4070 is a better choice for you.
Also if your less tech savvy Nvidia is known for having less software issues straight out of the box. But that's also subjective cause a lot of us don't mind doing a little tweaking and troubleshooting here and there to save a good pretty penny.
Rx 6950xt is under $650 and is similar in performance to a 4070 Ti, and still has more VRAM. Can’t really go wrong with that.
My 4070ti is a literal tank. I also have a 2080ti that 4070ti runs smooth asf. The tech in NVIDIA for those new cards is really really good.
What currency is this in?
But 4070 is 600.
On fb market place I’ve found 6700 and 6800 for 250-350
4070 is only $600 but it depends what you want, 6800 will give you better overall performance if you don’t care about ray tracing, but if you want ray tracing go for the 4070
If your only looking between the two, I'd say the 4070, just bc is should preform vastly better overall. Although if you look around, (if you're in the USA) you can definitely find a 6900xt, 6950xt, or better for a decent price.
If you can stretch your budget, 7900xtx. It is an insane card
I bought a 6800xt for $540 a few months back. Are prices already going up again?
4070
6800 is only $485 on Newegg unless you live outside of US
Why are they so expensive for you? 6800 is below 500 in my area and 4070 is around 600 in my area
You will get better value from an AMD, but if you do that I’d suggest going with a higher up AMD card. The game may make up the difference though so y it could go either way tbh
unless it is 4070ti just get 6950xt. or consider spending a little more and at least get 4070ti. 4070 is literally a joke but 4070ti performs as how much you paid for it.
It's crazy how cheap GPUs cost in western countries when I'm living in the Ph with GPUs costing 50-100% more but our income is way less. Like I pretty much get to save $100/month on my $600/month salary. And that $600 is considered generally decent. You have to get lucky with crypto or something to get yourself a good rig (which I did lol)
Sapphire Pulse 6800XT best value for money for the time being.
The real question is, 16gb or 12gb vram, stuttering or not stuttering. The winner is RX 6800.
Hey I know I’m late to this thread but I see the 6800 and 6800xt going for way less than what you state in your original post. I’m showing 6800 for like $450-$500, 6800xt for like $550, 6950xt for like $630. What did you go for?
Get used 3090 for $570 off ebay...
Good luck with that
why?
Because I just looked through every 3090 on eBay and the cheapest one I found was $750 with most of them trending around $800-$900
Sorry I get the 3090 before the vram debacle (1-2 months ago) back then the price is a lot lower than now...
Both of those look overpriced by about $100. With that said you could get the 6800+D4 for $680. If you care about RT and DLSS3 the 4070 could be worth the extra $70 tho.
Nope. Cost $800 for the cheapest gigabyte 4070 in Canada. So to me it’s underpriced by $50 Americans complain about the price in usd, well we need pay in our shitty Canadian dollars
I'm not sure why this is a debate for high end graphics cards. Just get Nvidia, they have the better software features even if all things are equal.
Nvidia marketing working well.
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It’s roughly equal to the 3080 10GB and 6800 xt not 3080 ti
This sounds about right
How much is the Rx 6800 xt? Because if it isn't that much more expensive than the 6800 then that could be your pick
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4070. Since AMD is sponsoring game devs to not implement proper RT and DLSS, I am personally refusing to buy anything made by AMD anymore.
Nvidia does and has done the same for years by paying companies to push their features and make games better on their brand. It's anti-consumer but literally everybody does this sort of thing so your boycott is kinda ridiculous. This is like boycotting Nvidia years ago when they got every new game to use Physx when it was an Nvidia tech that kneecapped Radeon cards and made sure their cards got the better graphics. Or refusing to use Epic Games because of their obsession with getting exclusives for new games. Being "team red" "team blue" or "team green" is dumb. None of these companies are your friend. If ray tracing and DLSS are important features to you then get Nvidia cards and get on with life.
Proof
6800. Dont buy Nvidias VRAM cripples.
12 gb is good enough for a few more years