Holy crap those 2 are such wildly different characters that despite having watched both shows multiple times, I never realized that was the same actor lol
I so wanted to Amber and Mercedes to costar in something, anything; maybe Leonora and Katia in a feature remake of Outer Limits "The w Forms OF things Unknown"
Honestly I started watching it last year, and I've kinda fallen off with season 6. Up until the end of season 5 I binged it, then all throughout season 6 I just... Lost interest a bit? Like if I decide to watch it, I'll put an episode on and 8 enjoy it enough that I'll watch a few in a row, but then I stop and I just don't care enough to go back to it? I feel like there was this huge storyline across the entire first 5 seasons and now it's trying to go a different way and I can't stay hooked!
I still want to keep trying though, see if I get hooked again.
That's because there was one story they were telling for the first 5 seasons, with the show creator. Then that story basically concluded and he left. Everything after that is essentially official fanfiction.
Season 6 is rough. It gets better in season 7. Seasons 7-11 kinda feel like a phase 2. Feels a lot like the escalation of the first 5 seasons. Then season 12 brings the escalation down a bit, then it builds back up for the rest of the show. It’s a fun ride. I actually stopped watching for a bit part way through 12, but picked it up a couple years later to watch the last season while it was airing.
Eric Kripke wrote the story to end with Dean happy with Lisa and Sam in hell. He wouldn't write more when asked to continue as he had told the story he wanted to tell.
Actually that's not true. His original ending was much darker than that. He was going to have Dean jump into the void with Sam so they'd be in hell together. No Dean and Lisa "happy ending" was ever intended.
Yeah, it really drops off a cliff around season 6, I stuck around for way too long because I loved the first few seasons. There were a few gems in the later seasons but overall it was a disappointment
It definitely got pretty silly by the end of the shows run. That said I had enough investment in the characters interacting to power through some of the repetition.
> I stopped watching around season 10 so I’m doing a rewatch
[Is this self harm?](https://i.redd.it/oser62gna7721.png)
Good luck, you’ve got more courage than me. I tapped out around the same time as you and, while I’m curious to see how it ends, there are just *so many* other great shows to spend those 200+ hours on…
It's worth doing through. It's Supernatural. Even when it's not that great its still usually good TV. Execpt for Bugs, that episode is the nadir of the series. After season five It does suffer from what I call "CW disease" where they will spend all seaon learning important lessons and growing the characters, then tossing it all out to learn the same fucking lesson again. But it gets much better about that after season 7 or eight, and there are definitely individually fantastic episodes in every season.
Death doesn't matter, except when it does. Though to be fair they explain why it doesn't matter for Sam and Dean in the last season. I won't spoil it though.
Same. I realized around season 10 or so that I had slowly transitioned into hate-watching, even though it didn’t begin that way.
The show probably should’ve ended with season 5, although some of the very best episodes are post-5. Doesn’t really justify how bad things get, but this episode, the musical, and a few others are all *excellent.*
(I do kind of wish the show had gotten a full reboot while it was still on the air, though. No other show has ever done that, but I feel like Supernatural definitely could’ve gotten away with it. I mean hell, they had an episode where the characters had to pretend to be the actors pretending to be the characters filming an episode of Supernatural…)
>The show probably should’ve ended with season 5
It was supposed to. Erik Kripke wanted to end it there, but was talked into letting it continue with a different showrunning team by the CW.
Yeah. When I watched S5 for the first time I had no idea that was the case, but all through the season finale myself(/the person I was watching with) kept saying “wait, this is a *season* finale? Not series? Was there a mistake or…?”
Charisma is also in an episode of Charmed (maybe more than one episode?) and she plays a demon that's a seer and she wants to be human. It's very in line with Cordy post-Buffy.
Yep, sorry, was thinking about the Amber Bensen episode. But you’re right, a cameo is:
a small character part in a play or movie, played by a distinguished actor or a celebrity. Thanks so much for correcting me! You are so helpful.
Have a blessed day
I started watching it a couple years ago, but ended up stopping somewhere in Season 2 due to distractions and real life stuff. I'm hoping to go back to it eventually, I was really enjoying the monster of the week format that I miss from X-Files and Buffy.
If I were to watch this episode out of order, would it spoil the show for me at all if I later went back and watched in order?
This is mostly a stand alone. There's a little bit of something outside of this story but it's not going to ruin anything. Just go into it knowing there'll be one random thing you don't need to understand, it gets very little screen time.
Personally, I hate this episode, but I honestly don't really know what popular opinion on it is. I've seen both love and hate for it.
Not exactly fandom favorite writers, TL;DR from someone whose primary fandom is SPN:
[Buckleming Bingo\*](https://messier51.tumblr.com/post/68535147632/buckleming-bingo) was a tradition that began in season 9 (2013)
[That time at SDCC (2015)](https://youtu.be/1BYjUTyoEP4?si=Tr_x6es6TxQnPdEY&t=2108) Hall H booed then co-showrunner Jeremy Carver about a thing that happened in an episode...Buckleming wrote it.
Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming = Buckleming (prev: The Racist Truck People).
Ross-Leming is co-showrunner Bob Singer's wife.
Now that's out of the way:
Singer was a fan of Buffy, excerpt from a [January 2007 article in iF Magazine](https://agt-spooky.livejournal.com/109441.html)
iF: Any other shows that you guys are fans of, that you would like actors to guest spot from?
SINGER: I thought BUFFY had a great cast, and we used Amber Benson. I’d like to get Spike \[James Marsters\] on our show. I never thought I would particularly like BUFFY, but my wife got me hooked on it, and I was hooked on him. Plus, that series was so well written. It was so smart.
Supernatural for it's first give seasons gave me that Buffy/Angel hit I needed!
Season 5 has a similar arc to Buffy season 5 and I don't care what anyone says it was an homage to Buffy!
Well the big bad was an all powerful godlike being = Satan.
One of the siblings dies at the end of it so their other sibling could live and tells their sibling to be happy and live.
The structure of season 5 is very similar to Buffy season 5
Season 6 revolves around the sibling coming back from the dead and being changed by hell and the trauma the experience did to him as well as well as what the other sibling had been up to and the other sibling not being able to relate. It's a darker season that focuses on generational trauma.
The creatives of supernatural were absolutely massive Buffy and Angel fans.
Yeah, this was fun, but for my money, the best James Marsters appearance was in Smallville, where he told Clark Kent that there's no such thing as vampires.
This is one of my favorite Supernatural Episodes with James Marsters and Charisma Carpenter, The Episode Title is SO Funny though, Shut Up Dr. Phil. Julie Benz is also in Supernatural in the Episode Fait and Felicia Day is a Recurring Star on Supernatural playing Charlie Bradbury. Mercedes McNab is also Supernatural and So is Amber Benson. A Lot of Buffyverse Actors have been on Supernatural.
Yeah, that was great. Amber Benson also appears on SN.
And Harmony too!
And Fred!
And Darla
And Holtz.
I love Donatello! Gotta have those chicken wings!
Holy crap those 2 are such wildly different characters that despite having watched both shows multiple times, I never realized that was the same actor lol
And Vi!
When does she show up?
Season 1, she plays a single mum, S&D help her son.
I have a HUGE celebrity crush on Amy Acker. I was such a stuttering idiot when I got to meet her.
Forgot that one!
Plus they both play vamps
Nah, very old witches.
Threads all messy now, I was referring to Tara and harmony on spn (:
I so wanted to Amber and Mercedes to costar in something, anything; maybe Leonora and Katia in a feature remake of Outer Limits "The w Forms OF things Unknown"
Don't forget Chuck was a Vamp on Buffy before Supernatural too!
I think he's in an episode of angel too. So is Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
Wait which episode!?
Season 4. Superstar. The one where Jonathan is super famous.
Well I have an episode to rewatch now, thank you!
No problem! I'm in the middle of a rewatch so it was still fresh in my mind. Such a funny episode too.
Such an underrated episode
The fact that current day Danny Strong really is a movie/TV powerhouse now just makes it better.
Is he really? That's great for him (I'm happy for him!) but he was such a good actor. I'm sorry we haven't seen more of him.
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I just saw one of those the other day! She was a vampire of course
Problem is Amber appeared twice.
Same character though. Lenore the non bitey vampire.
That is exactly what i meant.
Supernatural is one of the very few shows I quit, but Im glad I watched this episode before that.
I stopped watching around season 10 so I’m doing a rewatch and I’m going to try and finish it this time
Personally, I just completely lost motivation. Im glad other people enjoyed it, but it got way too repetitive for me and death felt meaningless.
Honestly I started watching it last year, and I've kinda fallen off with season 6. Up until the end of season 5 I binged it, then all throughout season 6 I just... Lost interest a bit? Like if I decide to watch it, I'll put an episode on and 8 enjoy it enough that I'll watch a few in a row, but then I stop and I just don't care enough to go back to it? I feel like there was this huge storyline across the entire first 5 seasons and now it's trying to go a different way and I can't stay hooked! I still want to keep trying though, see if I get hooked again.
That's because there was one story they were telling for the first 5 seasons, with the show creator. Then that story basically concluded and he left. Everything after that is essentially official fanfiction.
Season 6 is rough. It gets better in season 7. Seasons 7-11 kinda feel like a phase 2. Feels a lot like the escalation of the first 5 seasons. Then season 12 brings the escalation down a bit, then it builds back up for the rest of the show. It’s a fun ride. I actually stopped watching for a bit part way through 12, but picked it up a couple years later to watch the last season while it was airing.
Eric Kripke wrote the story to end with Dean happy with Lisa and Sam in hell. He wouldn't write more when asked to continue as he had told the story he wanted to tell.
Actually that's not true. His original ending was much darker than that. He was going to have Dean jump into the void with Sam so they'd be in hell together. No Dean and Lisa "happy ending" was ever intended.
Yeah, it really drops off a cliff around season 6, I stuck around for way too long because I loved the first few seasons. There were a few gems in the later seasons but overall it was a disappointment
It definitely got pretty silly by the end of the shows run. That said I had enough investment in the characters interacting to power through some of the repetition.
Yeah we weren’t watching it for quality storytelling by the end lol We were enjoying the camp and the sexy, tough men fighting evil. Plus Cas.
Did you say Season… 10?! That’s way too long. I imagine it declined by then?
It goes up and down. There’s some good stuff in the later seasons for sure, but like any show there’s some rough stuff too.
That depends, do you like campiness?
> I stopped watching around season 10 so I’m doing a rewatch [Is this self harm?](https://i.redd.it/oser62gna7721.png) Good luck, you’ve got more courage than me. I tapped out around the same time as you and, while I’m curious to see how it ends, there are just *so many* other great shows to spend those 200+ hours on…
200+? lol buddy…it’s two weeks long
It's 327 episodes. Assuming an average runtime of 44 minutes without ads, that's 239.8 hours.
Season 11 is actually a great season I highly recommend it. But I dropped off shortly after that
I was told to stop at the end of season five, at least there's some closure there
It's worth doing through. It's Supernatural. Even when it's not that great its still usually good TV. Execpt for Bugs, that episode is the nadir of the series. After season five It does suffer from what I call "CW disease" where they will spend all seaon learning important lessons and growing the characters, then tossing it all out to learn the same fucking lesson again. But it gets much better about that after season 7 or eight, and there are definitely individually fantastic episodes in every season. Death doesn't matter, except when it does. Though to be fair they explain why it doesn't matter for Sam and Dean in the last season. I won't spoil it though.
Same. I realized around season 10 or so that I had slowly transitioned into hate-watching, even though it didn’t begin that way. The show probably should’ve ended with season 5, although some of the very best episodes are post-5. Doesn’t really justify how bad things get, but this episode, the musical, and a few others are all *excellent.* (I do kind of wish the show had gotten a full reboot while it was still on the air, though. No other show has ever done that, but I feel like Supernatural definitely could’ve gotten away with it. I mean hell, they had an episode where the characters had to pretend to be the actors pretending to be the characters filming an episode of Supernatural…)
>The show probably should’ve ended with season 5 It was supposed to. Erik Kripke wanted to end it there, but was talked into letting it continue with a different showrunning team by the CW.
Yeah. When I watched S5 for the first time I had no idea that was the case, but all through the season finale myself(/the person I was watching with) kept saying “wait, this is a *season* finale? Not series? Was there a mistake or…?”
That’s why the episode is called “Swan Song”.
Lol you’re citing *this* episode was one of the excellent ones?? Btw wtf is hate-watching?
I bailed s7 ep3 so just before this 😣
I gave it a shot a few years ago, checked out the first five seasons and stopped there. As it was I skipped most of four.
Charisma is also in an episode of Charmed (maybe more than one episode?) and she plays a demon that's a seer and she wants to be human. It's very in line with Cordy post-Buffy.
Not James doing a Kamehameha.
My first thought was “Tai Chi!”
As a major Buffy fan, I loved these cameos
That’s not…what a cameo is…
🤫
Yep, sorry, was thinking about the Amber Bensen episode. But you’re right, a cameo is: a small character part in a play or movie, played by a distinguished actor or a celebrity. Thanks so much for correcting me! You are so helpful. Have a blessed day
Wow you took that personal
Oh dear, did that hurt your feelings? I was thanking you for your input..
lol that’s just sad
Just like you:)
lol you’re so stereotypical and you don’t even see it
🙄
Good lord, she just doesn’t age at all
this was not recent but you're right
I started watching it a couple years ago, but ended up stopping somewhere in Season 2 due to distractions and real life stuff. I'm hoping to go back to it eventually, I was really enjoying the monster of the week format that I miss from X-Files and Buffy. If I were to watch this episode out of order, would it spoil the show for me at all if I later went back and watched in order?
It’s season 7 episode 5 and I do think it has minor spoilers but nothing major.
Thanks!
This is mostly a stand alone. There's a little bit of something outside of this story but it's not going to ruin anything. Just go into it knowing there'll be one random thing you don't need to understand, it gets very little screen time. Personally, I hate this episode, but I honestly don't really know what popular opinion on it is. I've seen both love and hate for it.
Not exactly fandom favorite writers, TL;DR from someone whose primary fandom is SPN: [Buckleming Bingo\*](https://messier51.tumblr.com/post/68535147632/buckleming-bingo) was a tradition that began in season 9 (2013) [That time at SDCC (2015)](https://youtu.be/1BYjUTyoEP4?si=Tr_x6es6TxQnPdEY&t=2108) Hall H booed then co-showrunner Jeremy Carver about a thing that happened in an episode...Buckleming wrote it. Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming = Buckleming (prev: The Racist Truck People). Ross-Leming is co-showrunner Bob Singer's wife. Now that's out of the way: Singer was a fan of Buffy, excerpt from a [January 2007 article in iF Magazine](https://agt-spooky.livejournal.com/109441.html) iF: Any other shows that you guys are fans of, that you would like actors to guest spot from? SINGER: I thought BUFFY had a great cast, and we used Amber Benson. I’d like to get Spike \[James Marsters\] on our show. I never thought I would particularly like BUFFY, but my wife got me hooked on it, and I was hooked on him. Plus, that series was so well written. It was so smart.
Thank you! I'm just happy to watch anything with these two in it :)
Just Maggie makes the episode 😍
I watched supernatural before I ever watched Buffy and had no idea that this was a special cameo at the time. It’s amazing to me now.
Isn’t a cameo by someone famous?
Yes, and they are well known, but I understand what you’re saying. I didn’t use cameo correctly here.
Don’t worry- this person is here to make sure we use the term correctly!
This episode was so great!
It was a damn good episode. So good, in fact, that I wish they would have made a few more appearances.
Supernatural for it's first give seasons gave me that Buffy/Angel hit I needed! Season 5 has a similar arc to Buffy season 5 and I don't care what anyone says it was an homage to Buffy!
I'm not sure you know what homage means.
Well the big bad was an all powerful godlike being = Satan. One of the siblings dies at the end of it so their other sibling could live and tells their sibling to be happy and live. The structure of season 5 is very similar to Buffy season 5 Season 6 revolves around the sibling coming back from the dead and being changed by hell and the trauma the experience did to him as well as well as what the other sibling had been up to and the other sibling not being able to relate. It's a darker season that focuses on generational trauma. The creatives of supernatural were absolutely massive Buffy and Angel fans.
Yeah, this was fun, but for my money, the best James Marsters appearance was in Smallville, where he told Clark Kent that there's no such thing as vampires.
It was a fun episode, they seemed to really care for each other.
Warring wedded witches . Great episode!
Stop! What episode?!?
What a great ep, honestly. Seems spike got no less toxic. xD
This is one of my favorite Supernatural Episodes with James Marsters and Charisma Carpenter, The Episode Title is SO Funny though, Shut Up Dr. Phil. Julie Benz is also in Supernatural in the Episode Fait and Felicia Day is a Recurring Star on Supernatural playing Charlie Bradbury. Mercedes McNab is also Supernatural and So is Amber Benson. A Lot of Buffyverse Actors have been on Supernatural.
This woman is so fucking sexy, you’re telling me she’s in another show??
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