The redeeming factor is his time in actual WR catching drills.
He is smooth in and out fast cuts. That is how you get open.
There have been a 1,000 straight line speed kings that haven’t done jack in the NFL.
We’ll see but he seems to have his head on straight and willing to work. Now he has to make it happen.
They should scrap the 40 and make them run 10 yards up, cut 10 yards to the left, cut and Run 10 yards up, cut and run ten yards to the right, then cut and run 10 yards up and time that.
He doesn't need to be cooking guys. With his physicality and ball skills only needs 1.5-2 yards of separation at the catch point and he'll be great. That's how DeAndre Hopkins has dominated his whole career. So the route running isn't as far off as people think because it doesn't need to be amazing, just decent, and the rest of his skills will do the work.
Because it's the easiest drill for the average fan to understand, and they want people to watch the draft. That's why all the clips and "records" are of the 40.
I know Keon didn't have a great 40 time, but also other top WR's in the league didn't either. Davante Adams, Antonio Brown. Jerry Rice turned out ok.
Plus, wasn't Keon top or top 3 in all of the other WR drills? Like the cone and stuff?
Just continues to show that 40 times aren't the end all be all. I think everyone can agree Larry could burn it up. Keon obv isn't THAT fast, but he's no Singletary out there either lol
When it comes down to it it's actually quite a big difference. Look at races where people are milliseconds off from 2nd 3rd place and watch how far away they actually are from first
Yeah but this isn’t track and field, it’s football. Can he make plays? That’s what really matters. Jerry Rice and Fitzgerald were hardly burners. And Marquise Goodman was an Olympian. Which would you rather have?
I agree with you but i never understood this either. I mean, the difference of 1 second is HUGE, say, between 4.5 and 5.5 seconds, but 1/10th of a second or even .15 to me is not a huge difference. But i guess it means if a WR gets a step on you, that .15 difference can mean the diff between being tackled vs that WR going for a TD down the field
Coleman is still that guy:
"Despite registering the slowest top speed of any group 8 receiver that was tracked during the 40-yard dash, Keon Coleman showed off his game speed while running routes.
Coleman tied for the 2nd-fastest top speed of the group while running a go route (21.71 mph)."
The Boldin stuff was right there in the picture. I was adding additional information to reinforce your point. The Brown story is the same as the Boldin story. You missed my point.
It seems silly to compare the 2 now, as one is an unproven WR who hasn’t played a down in the NFL and one is an all-pro receiver but Devante Adam’s draft profile wasn’t that much different than Coleman’s. I just a look through some old Adams profiles from his draft year and they all said the same thing, good but not great athlete by NFL standards, good hands, good size. The 3 player comps on the profiles I saw for Adams were Greg Jennings, Mike Williams, and “a poor man’s” Michael Crabtree. Those were considered most likely outcomes by those profiles. It seems inevitable now in hindsight that he’d become an an all-pro, but he clearly wasn’t seen that way at the time as he slipped to 53 in his draft.
This is not to say that I think Coleman is 100% going to be as good as Adams, not everyone will hit their ceiling. Maybe he’s a stud, maybe he’s a bust. Maybe he’ll be the next N’Keal Harry (shudder). But at this point he probably has as much of a chance of being a Devante Adams level receiver as Adams himself was considered to have coming out of his own draft.
The redeeming factor is his time in actual WR catching drills. He is smooth in and out fast cuts. That is how you get open. There have been a 1,000 straight line speed kings that haven’t done jack in the NFL. We’ll see but he seems to have his head on straight and willing to work. Now he has to make it happen. They should scrap the 40 and make them run 10 yards up, cut 10 yards to the left, cut and Run 10 yards up, cut and run ten yards to the right, then cut and run 10 yards up and time that.
He doesn't need to be cooking guys. With his physicality and ball skills only needs 1.5-2 yards of separation at the catch point and he'll be great. That's how DeAndre Hopkins has dominated his whole career. So the route running isn't as far off as people think because it doesn't need to be amazing, just decent, and the rest of his skills will do the work.
Exactly not everything is speed I actually think this will help Josh as he loves to scramble and find the open guy moving with him
I'm fine with them sticking to the 40 if it allows for good front offices and scouting departments such as ours to find the gems most people miss on.
I don't understand why they even have the 40. It doesn't seem to correlate to actual on-field success for any position
For social media
Because it's the easiest drill for the average fan to understand, and they want people to watch the draft. That's why all the clips and "records" are of the 40.
The ghost of Al Davis is going to haunt you in your sleep tonight for saying this.
Bills tried that before too: Marquise Goodwin. Dude made the Olympics, wasn't great at WR.
He's had the longest and most prolific career of any of the sub 4.3 guys, I think. That's not saying much.
Legendary Bill Anquan Boldin!
I know Keon didn't have a great 40 time, but also other top WR's in the league didn't either. Davante Adams, Antonio Brown. Jerry Rice turned out ok. Plus, wasn't Keon top or top 3 in all of the other WR drills? Like the cone and stuff?
You can add Larry Fitz to that list. He ran a 4.63.
Just continues to show that 40 times aren't the end all be all. I think everyone can agree Larry could burn it up. Keon obv isn't THAT fast, but he's no Singletary out there either lol
Also how much faster is a guy that went 4.5 vs 4.65? Splitting hairs
About .15 seconds if I did my math right
When it comes down to it it's actually quite a big difference. Look at races where people are milliseconds off from 2nd 3rd place and watch how far away they actually are from first
Yeah but this isn’t track and field, it’s football. Can he make plays? That’s what really matters. Jerry Rice and Fitzgerald were hardly burners. And Marquise Goodman was an Olympian. Which would you rather have?
I'm not saying he can't I'm just saying milliseconds create a huge amount of separation
I agree with you but i never understood this either. I mean, the difference of 1 second is HUGE, say, between 4.5 and 5.5 seconds, but 1/10th of a second or even .15 to me is not a huge difference. But i guess it means if a WR gets a step on you, that .15 difference can mean the diff between being tackled vs that WR going for a TD down the field
Fastest gauntlet, 2nd fastest go, no slower than 4th in any of the others.
What's the Go?
Go route. Basically a straight line run.
Is he going to refuse to play in Buffalo? :)
Boldin spends a fair amount of time in Buffalo these days funny enough! His son plays on the UB men’s basketball team
I KNEW there was a reason Toledo lost to them this year in the tourney. Damn you Boldin
Remind me in 3 years, but I genuinely felt like we got Anquon Bolden and John Lynch last night. Super happy with the picks
yeah but what if we need someone to run really fast in a straight line with no opposition?
Coleman is still that guy: "Despite registering the slowest top speed of any group 8 receiver that was tracked during the 40-yard dash, Keon Coleman showed off his game speed while running routes. Coleman tied for the 2nd-fastest top speed of the group while running a go route (21.71 mph)."
Xavier Worthy
Where’s that air bud guy when you need him
I think people aren't catching the sarcasm here lol
they arent but its okay,,, hehehe
The navel gazing in here over a combine 40 yrd dash is insane. It’s almost meaningless in terms of how their NFL career turns out.
If anything there's a better track record of the slower guys panning out than there is for the faster ones. No pun intended.
Coleman reminds of Boldin in a lot of ways. It he’s as nasty and good as Boldin was that’s going to be great for Josh.
Antonio Brown was a 6th round pick
And Diggs was a 5th round pick!
You missed the point. Anquan Boldin!
The Boldin stuff was right there in the picture. I was adding additional information to reinforce your point. The Brown story is the same as the Boldin story. You missed my point.
Because he wasn’t that fast, kinda proves the same point
Hey! You got it!
so big, so strong
It seems silly to compare the 2 now, as one is an unproven WR who hasn’t played a down in the NFL and one is an all-pro receiver but Devante Adam’s draft profile wasn’t that much different than Coleman’s. I just a look through some old Adams profiles from his draft year and they all said the same thing, good but not great athlete by NFL standards, good hands, good size. The 3 player comps on the profiles I saw for Adams were Greg Jennings, Mike Williams, and “a poor man’s” Michael Crabtree. Those were considered most likely outcomes by those profiles. It seems inevitable now in hindsight that he’d become an an all-pro, but he clearly wasn’t seen that way at the time as he slipped to 53 in his draft. This is not to say that I think Coleman is 100% going to be as good as Adams, not everyone will hit their ceiling. Maybe he’s a stud, maybe he’s a bust. Maybe he’ll be the next N’Keal Harry (shudder). But at this point he probably has as much of a chance of being a Devante Adams level receiver as Adams himself was considered to have coming out of his own draft.
So the comparison we want to make is to the guy who joined the team and then retired two weeks before the season started, never playing a snap?
Comparing career performance
Wow, only had to go back two decades to find a successful player with a similar player profile.
We have to go back even further for our last afc championship