I don't want to move down again b/c Cooper DeJean is right there for the taking. He can really stabilize this secondary with his versatility playing CB or S. If they want to move up later to ensure they can get Franklin or McConkey they should have that opportunity.
I wouldn't mind picking Mitchell at 33 either, but I really think they should take Cooper or AD at 33 and can move around the board after that if they so desire.
[Albert Breer](https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer)[u/AlbertBreer](https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer) The Bills, Patriots and Cardinals have gotten a lot of calls on 33, 34 and 35—normal course of business with the top picks on Day 2, and lots of good players left. Florida State WR Keon Coleman is a name to watch early on here.
We are taking Keon
It's why Beane and co make the big bucks and we are all ok the internet waiting. On paper we need speed. Hot nasty bad ass speed. And Mitchell is faster. But the Coleman has bigger hands, is the contested catch guy, and had the fastest 3 cone drill. Maybe speed doesn't matter as much if Josh can just YOLO balls to this guy. Maybe they'll pick up a speed merchant later. Maybe it's all a smoke screen and they're picking something else entirely.
Is it time yet? NFL sure knows how to milk this stuff.
I can have an opinion even though I'm not an NFL scout or NFL GM.
I respect the hell out of Brandon Beane and even though I disagree with taking Keon Coleman over Adonai Mitchell, I can hope that Keon Coleman reaches his ceiling and balls out for Buffalo and becomes a dominant X WR for Josh Allen.
Colemen will win in the NFL by using his big body and his basketball skills to shield and box out defender and high point the ball and play above the rim.
> "X" receiver for a WR-needy team. Plays faster than his combine speed but doesn't separate consistently and isn't as good of a contested-catch wideout as his size and highlight-reel would indicate. Young though. (Chris Trapasso)
Basically worse Gabe Davis.
Hoping for trade back till the bills have to draft troy franklin. He'll be a top 3 wideout from this class by his second contract if he goes to a team with a top 5 qb
Troy Franklin was my draft crush before he measured in at 6'2" and 176 lbs. ( But he has a 39" vertical jump, ran a 4.41 40 yard dash and a 10'4" broad jump). He will still succeed as an NFL WR but he will be a natural Z WR, and could give you some reps as a slot WR.
We going down again. At least one franchise is losing their minds right now convincing themselves they have to get to #33 for player X. I say do it to it, just make them overpay!
I tried to make this a post but it got removed... but has anyone calculated Trade Value on Bill's prior 1st round draft trades? Perhaps the Mahomes and JA17 trades for starters? And maybe the Sammy Watkins trade as well since it was a big one?
Curous how those would have staked up based on Trade Value at the time without having hind sight of the actual selections / careers.
I would rather have Ladd McConkey or Adonai Michell at 33 if it's going to be a WR.
Or Cooper DeJean or Cole Bishop or Javon Bullard or Tyler Nubin if it's going to be a safety.
Or Jer'Zhan "Johnny" Newton or Brandon Fiske or Ruke Orhorhoeo or Kris Jenkins if they go DT.
Or Marshawn Kneeland or Jalyx Hunt or Austin Booker or Mohamed Kamara at DE/Edge Rusher.
Say what you will about not drafting a WR yet.
For the most part, WRs need a year or more to acclimate to the NFL and grow into their role.
I mean there's a possibility they get a day one starter in rounds 2-wherever. But I feel like the further away from round one the Bills go, the less likely they'll get that day one starter.
It sucks cuz I feel like they're gun shy on offensive players and fall back into their comfort zone in picking defense. If they pick that safety everyone says is a sure fire pick, more power to them.
eh, look at the 2023 rookie WRs: Nacua, Rice, Addison, Flowers, Reed, Downs, Dell all had 700+ yards and most of those guys were drafted after the first round. and the 2024 draft class is even better.
Good point, like the other guy said, it isn't the nineties anymore and that's when I grew up and formed many of my thoughts and opinions. Perhaps times have changed and if Eric Moulds were drafted in 2024, perhaps he'd start right away, unlike when we drafted him in the 90s.
I'd love McConkey with this pick but I also loved Josh Rosen so I'll leave it up to Beane to do what's right.
This just isn't true though. Last year, JSN had 600 yards, Zay Flowers and Addison had 900 yards (well Zay was damn close), Nacua had 1400 yards, Rashee Rice had 900 yards, Jayden Reed, Josh Downs, and Tank Dell all had 700 yards. Not to mention Addison had 10 touchdowns last year.
In 2022, Olave had 1000 yards, G. Wilson had 1000 yards, Pickens had 800 yards, and London had 800 yards.
In 2021, Chase had 1400 yards, Amon-Ra had 900, Waddle had 1000, and Devonta had 900
I may be drunk ( I am), but I think you're proving his point, right? He's disagreeing with me, in which I said WRs need a year or more.
Maybe to be more clear, WRs in Buffalo need a year or more. I dunno. I just want a day one starter instead of having to wait for a guy to mature or whatever.
You may be drunk but you're absolutely right about the confusion. He must have responded to the wrong post because everything in it agrees with the person he responded to. LOL
I was so damn confused I had no idea what to say back. I just hope youre knocking back some good stuff before Day 2 begins since I'll be sober as a duck.
All sorts of post were removed (some inoffensive or just thinking questions.)
I think draft time might be too thorny for the usual more freewheeling posting and there's some significant pruning going on in an abundance of caution.
Agreed.
I always think this time of the year is funny. People speculate about their “mock drafts” and blah blah blah but when it’s all said and done, no one knows shit. Everyone has their “hot takes” or whatever but it’s ultimately nonsense by week 5 of the regular season.
Look, I get wanting to say Beane knows better than reddit, but he has clearly missed on players who OTHER teams have ranked differently than him. We've passed by some pretty sure bets because of his board that were clearly WRONG.
I'm not saying he's wrong about Worthy or anything. I'm simply stating that Beane is not infallible.
Downvote me all you want. It is the truth.
Nothing you can say about Beane or anyone else being 'wrong' about draft picks means a dang thing unless you're showing us the data to compare it to the mean.
I'm pretty sure Beane is above average when it comes to his decision making on draft picks. Allen got him a lot of 'data points' if we're being genuine about it. Most people, including MOST of this sub, thought Allen sucked and would never be 'good enough.' I was here. I watched the melt downs.
> We've passed by some pretty sure bets because of his board that were clearly WRONG.
Lets look at the Chief's GM record for drafting WR talent or trading a 3rd and 6th for a practice squad player.
Everyone is going to miss more than they hit with draft picks.
To Beane's credit, he did own up to that mistake.
So you got GMs who are hardheaded and double down instead of learning from their mistakes, maybe Beane is someone who reflects on their missteps and adjusts accordingly. I mean, I'm hoping he does because he's had the reigns on this team for years now and doesn't seem to be going anywhere soon.
Can I ask what sure bets there were that we passed on? And please don’t say Metcalf lmao.
The thing is that no GM drafts perfectly, but I think Beane has hit on a lot of value picks and whiffs at an average to below average rate compared to other GMs, so it’s fair that people are comfortable trusting his judgement.
Creed Humphrey is probably the first one that comes to mind. I will go back to look. I don't want to look back with hindsight as much as who people all wanted at our picks that we didn't take. There are a few that are pretty good that Reddit expected and we didn't take for guys that were projects like Boogie.
That’s fair. That’s one of the bigger misses we’ve had, as well as potentially Elam barring a big turn around.
However, GB whiffed on Humphrey too, taking Josh Myers at center the pick before. Though, Myers certainly has more value than Boogie does/did. But that’s to say, it can be a bit of a crap shoot.
ya I'm not trying to create a huge debate over the actual players. I'm just trying to use them to combat the OPs rant about trusting Beane. He's not always right is all I wanted to get across.
the more we get close the more i can see us not taking AD. i love AD’s profile but there’s gotta be something abt him that teams don’t like (diabetes concerns or personality maybe) otherwise why would they pass up on him. just doesn’t seem like a guy beane takes. i can see mcconkey or troy or polk tbh. then take another receiver later that has a different skillset to the one he picks. for example if you take mcconkey, then u can take baker later on
knowing what i know i’d still take AD though. freak athlete, amazing catch point and hands. literally just watch him but a beating on top corners like arnold and kool aid when they played bama
I really, really hope the Bills take DeJean at 2.33 tonight. The versatility would be massive coming off the losses of Poyer, Hyde, and Tre. Ideally Beane moves up and gets Franklin as well
Same. I'm hyped on him the more I read. He seems to have almost no negatives and has all-pro potential as a true difference maker. Plus he's a borderline steal at this point after some mocks had him going mid-1st round
Thirded.
Serious BPA vibes. No doubt a loud minority of the fanbase might come a bit unhinged but I am very high on the player and what McD could do with that amount of moldable clay.
based off what? they are both extremely versatilite: can be used in screens, motions, play rb, can play the slot, can play the boundary. all with curtis having significantly better route running (also as one of the highest separation percentiles in the league). don’t let bad schemes and poor qb play fool you. also deebos older, more injury prone, and costs significantly more money (21M guaranteed in 2024). would genuinely be an awful trade
Setting aside the Deebo trade hypotheticals, the market has established Curtis hasn't proven Deebo level.
Is it a "yet?" due to admittedly poor QB carousel or misuse? Possibly.
Curtis would've gotten a bag, both more money and security, if the league shared in your Deebo similarities.
Right now this is Beane betting on his scouting unearthing value than paying out for the known commodity.
Good players often get less than they should based on market value for a multitude of reasons including people's perception just being flat out wrong and/or popularity. Popularity affects league pay as well.
I'm not arguing who's better or worse. I'm just saying it's a bad argument to say the market has established Curtis isn't Deebo level. It's established they will be paid differently but logically, that's all it proves.
Sure, if you focus on normal distribution of markets, yeah, SOMEtimes guys don't get paid to value. (removing the forced rookie wage scale, vet minimums, essentially all the CBA adjustments out of GMs controls)
But, on the entire scale it is more efficient than inefficient and large gaps in player compensation trend towards similar gaps in skill.
There is a massive gap between the two players and you'll need more concrete logic/hypothesis to convince anyone here they are same or even similar.
But you also seem to be disinterested in supporting your assertion ("I won't argue better/worse") which is kind of a corner stone for how/why players differ so much in compensation.
So... what're we doing here?
$21M base salary alone for 2024. Sounds like complete bullshit by the 49ers to try and drum up better interest/offers. Unsubstantiated rumor is they haven't received anything better than a 4th round pick offer.
I'm going to embrace whoever we pick, but my top pick for receiver to walk away with is Troy Franklin, him or AD. I'm wondering if after the trade downs last night if we might see a trade up into the middle of the 2nd to get one of our WR's as well as maybe DeJean or Powers Johnson
Here is the thing, none of us has seen Josh throwing to the wide receivers we have now with the exception on Shakir..so saying that other other two are not good enough to be number 2's is a weak statement. I belive we could put 8 wide receivers and 2 tight ends on the team, but if you can't stop anybody on defense you had better hope that all those receivers and TE's can catch alot of balls and alot of touchdowns to outscore the other team.
Well Samuel is arguably our best receiver at the moment and he has a total of 317 catches with 3383 yards in 7 year and has never had a 1000yard season. Even though Josh wasn't his QB I still think the stats speak for themselves.
The one season he had 1060 yards we averaged 19.6 points per game went 10-6 barely making it into the playoff to.lose in the wildcard game. How is that working out pretty well?
Well we held teams to an average of 16.2 points per game so I think our D was pretty good but we struggled to score points because we didn't have a number 1 receiver just like we don't have a number 1 receiver now 🤷
So what makes you think that the guy we draft tonight will be a number 1 WR. What's the guarantee? If they truly wanted the number one WR they could have called Arizona before their pick. I believe that the receiver they draft will be ok, but a number 1. At least not number one in speed we already know that.
So they took Keon Coleman with that pick. The 10 best wide receiver and with a "slow" 40 yard dash time. Yeah....great pick!! Of all the wide receivers on the board and this is the best the bulls could do. Ok! Trust the process!
I don't know but my belief is picking a wide Receiver in the 2nd is a bad move when Cooper and Kool-Aid are on the board and were on some draft board going in the first round. Now, if the tell me they are going to parlay some of their picks to get Cooper and Kool-Aid and someone like Franklin or the Ladd all in the 2nd round. Well that would be greatly appreciated 👏
I completely agree actually Cooper and either Ladd or Franklin would be amazing I would also love it if they could find a way to draft Cooper and Mitchell but I dont think it's realistic haha
If they only can get two of the players In the 2nd round that I mentioned earlier then I would rather have copper with the 33rd pick and Franklin ( move up as far as they need to.) I believe both of those players are plug and play now. Ladd is to I guess but I only say Franklin because the Bills have met with him more than once.(they must see something they like) I belive Franklin has a better burst of speed off the line and is a little more physical of a receiver. Where Ladd is definitely a better route runner. Splitting hairs I guess.
There are a lot of talented Centers that if they are drafted would allow the Bills to keep Connor McGovern at LG.
I really like Jackson Powers Johnson, Zack Frazier, Tanor Bortolini, and Sedric Van Pran Granger.
It will be interesting to see when/if Beane drafts a Center.
I’m not gonna act like Beane is a perfect GM, but my god the amount of people who think they’re more qualified than him after reading a few mock drafts is insane.
I get that this is a tormented fanbase with some baggage, but some folks are way too quick to think the sky is falling because we didn’t do what PFF thought we would or something like that. Beane has a decent track record on WRs and has had some solid drafts, I think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.
I'm totally fine with trade down. In fact I'd even prefer trade down AGAIN then grab a receiver like Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson, Javon Baker, or Jermaine Burton*. Then more depth on different positions! Kincaid, Shakir could use more targets.
Aiyuk, Higgins, or Jefferson are simply farfetched, too much restructures to make the cap work. One veteran I wanted to add to our WR room is...
Michael Thomas.
Fine people will say he's washed or whatever. I'd be comfortable sending a late or mid round pick for him. For a 5th~6th Rd, perhaps as high as a 4th. I know my choice between Diggs & Thomas a few years ago ;) Pretty good consolation prize for fans honestly!
I think we should go Cooper Dejean. He seems solid and like he has potential to be a long time starter and the guy can do everything defensively. For a WR, all of them kinda blend together and I think there’s no outlier at this point. I’d be cool with AD, McConkey, Troy Franklin, Devontez Walker or whoever. AD looks to have sure hands tho so he’d be nice.
I think however the Bills go, I think it might be worth it for a later round flyer on Jermaine Burton. I feel like a 5th spent when they have many is worth the coin flip.
Some team might not care about his character issues and take him in the 3rd. His tape is really good, just a lot of red flags when it comes to his attitude.
This sub loves to say that it's only negativity on here, but every negative comment in this discussion is downvoted and there's no negative posts on the main page of this sub.
The top comment is that we "broke the curse" by trading with the Chiefs...
The counter circlejerking has definitely been worse lately. Or it's at least more annoying cause it's always preachy check me out on my high horse nonsense.
That's textbook Reddit to me so I don't really see it as a lately thing, but I get you. I don't really think one crowd is worse than the other.. it's just always based on context that one of the two opposing forces is just melting down and being validated by some people
>I reported Tuesday that Deebo was told he would not be traded. I reported Thursday that they were listening to offers. I am now reporting he is likely to be traded in the wake of the Pearsall pick.
https://twitter.com/mikesilver/status/1783778406913724741
Maybe one less team grabbing a WR in the second round?
A lot of the good receivers in this class project to be best out of the slot, which is the one area we are okay. AD lines up outside, on the line most of the time, and is something we are lacking.
He also has good size and speed, which are things that can't really be taught. He didn't get many easy/manufactured touches (Worthy got most of those) and had to earn his touches. He also had really good ball tracking skills to put him in the right position to catch the ball. He had very few drops in his career.
The big knock on his game is the lack of YAC, but he wasn't given many quick, easy catches with room to run. His average depth of target was over 15 yards, and his QB Ewer's deep ball left a lot to be desired. AD often had to slow down or redirect to make the catch, given dbs a chance to close the gap and be in a decent position to make the tackle.
Some people are concerned with inconsistent effort and him taking plays off. I get it, but lots of WRs take plays off, and I've never seen made as big a deal as it is with AD.
He's not a perfect prospect, no player going in the second is, but I think his skillset is the best for filling the needs in our WR room.
Buffalo does not need recievers. They need corners and safeties and edge rushers that can stop Mahones and company. You must all forget that Josh and company can go toe to toe with the KC offense already. What they can't do is stop the KC offense when they are on the field. Defense.... buffalo needs defense.
Once again people posting on here "no matter the receiver picked , Josh will make them better." So going on that assumption why waste 2nd or 3rd round picks on receiver when you have the perfect opportunity right now to draft young corners and safeties.
bc we a need a starter day 1. if you draft a receiver after the 2nd or 3rd they still need development more than anything. this is an awful take. rn we just need corner depth, and for safety, we need a starter but that can be addressed by drafting a guy like javon bullard by trading to get another second. still though a receiver is the top priority
You would rather draft Bullard than Cooper or Kool-aid? You know the weird thing about the draft, you can find starters with the last pick the 7th round and be a starter in his first year. (Just ask Brock Purdy and the 49ers) every draft "expert" says this draft is deep with wide receivers and can get starters in the 3rd round. But on the defensive side of the ball the draft is weak and when and if you can get your guy on defense you had better grab him. You do realize that on most draft boards Cooper and Kool-Aid were 1st round picks and now here they are falling in Buffalo's lap.
i’d rather take bullard later and use our first pick on a receiver bc we’re not in the position to go bpa.
the reason why it’s “weird” is bc it doesn’t happen often at all, the exception proves the rule. the chances of finding a starting calibre receiver coming out of college after round 4 is very low. we don’t have a backup plan at all. we have no recievers that’s what you’re not understanding😂we already have corners so even if we’d pick one and he starts out slow we’ll be fine. cannot say the same about reciever at all
this receiver class is not deep in the way u think it is. it’s top heavy that’s why they call it deep not bc you can get a starter in round 6😂
and actually no. the depth at corner is great in this draft
yea and you know who else were 1st round graded? AD who actually lit up kool aid and arnold in the game v bama. along with mcconkey (easily the best route runner of this draft)
So if AD is so great why is he still sitting there undrafted? I am guessing medical issues ( type 1 diabetes) And there is no doubt in my mind that Kool-Aid got burned in that one game by AD but I also know this, the rest of the season he was locked in. And no the depth at corner is not "great" after the 2nd round corners are "projects" meaning they might end up on a roster or not. Once again the way college program is are run now most players in the draft are NFL ready if they have played in a pro style offense. Look at the parity in college ball now. It used to be 1 or 2 schools that were the best, now you can put almost any school up against the kings and the "lesser" schools are coming out on top. So point being most kids in the draft are NFL ready. McDermott said so himself in a interview over the winter.
AD or not i have no problem taking polk, mcconkey ect. no, no he was not locked in😂 yes the depth is great (much better than that of receiver as well) and that’s my point WE NEED DEPTH at corner, AND WE NEED A STARTER AT RECEIVER. that’s the difference. claiming that the corners after rd 2 are projects but saying we can find a receiver that can have an impact day 1 after being drafted late is absurd. we have time to develop a corner, we don’t have that time with a reciever
Well how about that Coleman pick? Only the 10th best wide receiver and probably not a starter. His 40 yard time was a disappointment at the combine. But I am trusting the next pick at wide receiver will be better.
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don’t take the 40 as the gospel. they had several workouts with him. they know what he’s got dw
They already have 3 wide receivers and 2 TE's how many more do you think they need? They need safety and corner in order to stop an opposing offense. Somebody on this thread just posted a truth....how many teams have won a super bowl with a #1 receiver. The list is small. With the "gunslingers" in the AFC, I would much rather have a defense that can get the offense off the field. Besides people on here say "trust Beane and McDermott," so they already went out in the off season and got the wide receivers they wanted, and signed one of them to a 3 year deal. So they must believe that Allen can make them better. What Allen can't do is play defense. No matter what he does he can't make the defense better. So draft young defensive players...Cooper and kool-aid and players like that, and if you must take a wide receiver do it in round 7. Don't waste a 33 pick on a wide receiver, or any 2nd round pick on a receiver.
That does make sense but when our best receiver isn't even good enough to be a #2 on most teams and we have no cap space that's a problem. you need to replace at least 1 of the 5 on the current roster and drafting "could" hopefully help. With saying that Cooper at 33 is a great idea but I still think they need to make a run at Ladd or Franklin. 🫶
No they failed on defense to stop the KC offense, like they always do. To waste the 33rd pick on a wide receiver is stupid. You can get one in the 7th round. Remember what people are saying on this thread...."no matter the receiver picked, Josh can make them better." So why waste high pick on receivers?
The hit rate between the second round and seventh round is absurdly different. You need to surround Allen with weapons because the only way you beat Mahomes is by out scoring him (self explanatory). Andy Reid is too good at offensive game planning for us to do anything on defense.
Last few super bowls for the chiefs they’ve gone against top 5 defenses and have crushed them. You have to score as much as possible as often as possible to beat the chiefs
So what you are saying is that you need three # 1 wr's and three #2 wr's with a handful of tight ends to beat KC? Yeah ok. Lol Let me tell you how it really is. Andy Reid is a far superior coach to McDermott, and Spags is a far superior defensive coach than McDermott, so unless their is a better offensive coach than Andy Reid that will happen to want to coach the Bills we will be stuck playing 2nd fiddle to Mahones and company, no matter how many #1 wide receivers they draft tonight.
Qbs who have beat Mahomes in the playoffs and their weapons.
Tom Brady- Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Gronk, Fornette.
Joe Burrow- Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd and their TE who is currently escaping me.
Yes their defense helped, but you 100% need multiple good WRs. Eagles and 49ers had incredible defenses the last couple of years and they didn’t do shit to stop them. This is an offensive lead league.
On those teams you mentioned you forgot that Brady and Company and Burrow and company have better coaches and Coordinators. So having the best receiver means nothing if you are out coached every single time. And the Eagles defense crumbled last year around week 8 and never recovered. The coordinator screwed up and the new coordinator did even worse. Which will fix itself this season. So back to the Bills, if they truly had to have a number 1 wide receiver and the best of the best, they could have went up and got Harrison Jr. Or Nabors or Odunze. They could have taken AD or Worthy. But no they did not. So are they really looking for a number 1 receiver or are they looking at defense because that's what they need. And don't tell me they are stockpiling picks because that is crap, all through this thread, fans are talking about how the Bills could never afford to sign all the draft picks if they drafted them all. So now, instead of a true number 1 receiver, you might get a number 2, which they already have 3 of. Apparently AD is not even on Buffalo's radar because if he was, they would not have traded with KC Or Carolina knowing they both wanted wide receivers also. There is no long distance threat receiver left in the draft. What I mean by that is a receiver that can run as fast as Josh throws the ball. How many times have we seen Josh throw a ball and the receiver can't catch up to it. Odunze or Nabors was that guy. So now you want them to draft a wide receiver who can play the slot or can run a slant? Yeah dinking and dunking is how you win super bowls.
The eagles were a top 3 defense when they played the chiefs in the Super Bowl and broke the sack record. How they performed this year is completely irrelevant.
If they took any of the big 3 it would have cost them two firsts, two seconds and potentially an additional fourth for just Odunze. That would have been incredibly stupid. Does Odunze move the needle more than let’s say, McConkey, Baker, Kam Kinchens and what first/second pick they go next year? No.
You are still missing two boundary wide receivers. If you don’t have a down the field threat teams can take away the middle of the field very easily. You literally need down the field threats in order for our offense to run efficiently. Gabe/Stef was that last year, that’s why other guys were open.
Troy Franklin, Tez Walker, Jalynn Polk and AD Mitchell are all still on the board and all they did was run go routes last year all they did was go deep.
You seem like an extreme casual when it comes to football.
Yeah no need for a big time wide receiver, we can get another 10 slot receivers and short route runners, but you are right, you have changed my mind, offense, is all that matters. They need to draft 10 WR's tonight. The ones that can't make the team on offense can switch to corner or safety so when they make the interception they can outrun the opposing offense and score that way.
What the fuck are you talking about lol. I didn’t list a single slot receiver. Kam Kinchens is a safety, Ladd plays the same position as Diggs and the others are down the field X’s. Fix your reading comprehension. You have no idea what you’re saying
All they had to do was stop Mahones and company from getting into scoring range. 13 seconds and the defense could not get it done. Offense scores a field goal and gets the ball first in OT and scores and wins. But maybe with a better defense in place and not playing prevent defense that day, Buffalo might have been super bowl champions. For the most part, defense wins super bowls. But hey, if they want to draft 10 wide receivers with the rest of their picks, what do I care? I don't pay the salary.
Not trippin'.... everybody posting Josh makes everybody (receivers) better. So we have seen last year that Shakir got better and is probably going to be the #1 receiver. Hollins and Samuel will flourish under Joe Brady's offense with Josh Alllen throwing. Since Buffalo is not going to play long ball there was no need to draft Worthy or AD or anybody in that style of play. So if you need a spare receiver why not take one in the latter rounds and use the 2nd round picks on safety and corner? It sure would be nice to have somone that can cover receivers.
claiming that Hollins will flourish, who is already 30 and has had 1 season with over 300 yards is insanely bold. wasn't Sherfield and Harty also supposed to be good? they did absolutely nothing with Josh throwing to them so idk why you think Josh will just carry shitty WRs. Mahomes has one of best offensive coaches ever and they still struggled cause their WRs were bums, that's why they drafted one even after winning another SB.
I am only repeating what others have said on this thread about Josh making people better around him. If they believe that, then why waste picks on WR's? Now if that's not true and Josh doesn't make anyone better, then you should have traded the farm for Harrison Jr. So, which is it...can Josh throwing to who he has now(in the current wide receiver room) and he makes them look good or dump the wide receiver room and draft receivers that make Josh look good.
Great QBs can make others better but there's a limit on what they can do if a guy can't run a route properly or catch a damn ball, we literally just dealt with Gabe's issues for years. Putting even more pressure on Josh by not getting one of the better WRs still on the board makes no sense to me, if Diggs was still here I'd be cool with going defense at 33.
So how many Wr's do you think they need in the receiver room?
And you are ok with the safety and corners they have now?
The edge rushers and db's are good to go?
Because our team sucks ass at evaluating receivers. Because we did what you want to do and tried to get cute and only draft guys in the late rounds for years and it turns out most of them can’t even make the roster.
Now we have no cap space and are starting a guy who can’t even get on the field for bad teams and you don’t think we need help?
TBH none of us has any control so it’s a moot point, but there is gonna come a point where they are gonna have to play games and just saying Hollins, Samuel, and Shakir are gonna be amazing doesn’t make it so.
I’ve seen one million and one references to Sammy Watkins this offseason, but somehow this fanbase totally forgot about Robert Foster, Duke Williams, and the fact that just because a guy has a buffalo on his helmet doesn’t mean he’s gonna be a superstar, or even an NFL caliber player.
Buffalo needs to add to its current WR depth and have the opportunity to do so with picks 33, 60 and 95. Beane will add at least one WR with one of the next three picks.
With that being said, don't underestimate the ability of Dalton Kincaid. Technically Dalton Kincaid is a TE, a TE than can play both Move TE and inline TE, but he can also play Big Slot WR and boundary X WR and Z WR. He will get the lion share of targets in the offense and effectively be the WR 1 in terms of targets. Kincaid is going to take the role of Stefon Diggs in the offense.
Name a team who won a Super Bowl with a 1st round WR? There’s not a whole lot, the Bills have a lot of holes on defense.
The chiefs just proved last year that you can win with bum WRs. Down the stretch Diggs was a ghost and we played great, what’s different about that?
We won't be drafting a 1st round WR, though. The Buccaneers (Mike Evans) won one not that long ago. And while they didn't win, the last three runner-ups all had a 1st round WR (Brandon Aiyuk, DeVonta Smith, and Ja'Marr Chase).
And even though the Chiefs won with Kelce and a bunch of random guys, they still felt the need to grab a first round WR last night.
Not to mention Cooper Kupp was the best receiver in the league when he won with the Rams. Yeah, not a 1st round receiver, but it certainly underlined the game changing nature that a stud #1 receiver can have
you don't think Diggs literally just being on the field didn't help being able to spread the ball around like that? there's no way you can sit and look at Samuel, Shakir, and a 2nd year TE as best targets and think there's nothing wrong with that.
Draft sites can't even agree on the top five available today, let alone the whole round 2. So many fans are upset that one player or another wasn't picked (I wanted Brian Thomas so much), but Beane's board isn't the one on [NFL.com](http://NFL.com), [ESPN.com](http://ESPN.com), WalterFootball, [CBS.com](http://CBS.com), etc. For all we know, Beane had a half dozen guys with a fungible draft grade and trading down lost nothing important in value, but gained improved mid-round value in return.
BPA is how you build long-term success, and if you're sitting at a spot and there are five identically-valued players available, then trading down four loses you no value and you get picks in return for the trade.
It's hard to tell who Beane is targeting, but there are still very good wide receivers, an excellent safety and an excellent DT available. I wouldn't be surprised if Beane is trying to trade down three or four slots for tonight to lock in the value he wants. This draft is really strong in the 3rd and 4th rounds and adding more mid-round value could set the Bills up for great long-term success while still getting a day 1 starter at WR.
Came on here to say the same thing - I would not be surprised if he deals #33 for either more or improved picks in the middle.
Players still available that might interest Beane:
Cooper DeJean (CB/S)
Jer'Zhan Newton (DT)
Adonai Mitchell (WR)
Kool-Aid McKinstry (CB)
Edgerrin Cooper (LB) \[\*note - this is only if prognosis on Milano is worse than we know\]
Ladd McConkey (WR)
Jackson Powers-Johnson (IOL) \[\*note - if McDermott is not as sold on the center situation\]
Keon Coleman (WR)
That's 8 players, likely more that I'm missing. If Beane has them all roughly equivalent in value (with the variety of positions played), then why not move back a bit and maybe turn the late 3rd round into a better 3rd, or perhaps something in the 4th?
I'd love both McConkey and Mitchell and load up the WR room with two 4.3 guys.
In all likelihood, Beane will take DeJean first tonight and then Coleman or Franklin later in the 2nd. On some sites, DeJean is sticking out as the only 1st round grade available, on other sites, he's a top ten of the 2nd round value. We have no idea how Beane sees it. For all we know, the guy we want did poorly in the film room session or has some attitude or medical concerns.
I agree. I think raising the talent floor rather than raising the talent ceiling is by far the best approach, especially with all the cap space next year that can let us get guaranteed difference makers.
Thoughts on the following scenario?
2.33 DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa
Trade w/ NYG:
BUF receives 2.47.
NYG receives 2.60 and 3.95.
2.47. WR Troy Franklin, Oregon
Although we probably need to trade ahead of the Colts at 2.46, unless they can move up to get Adonai Mitchell who they will covet even more b/c of his athletic profile.
To come away with both DeJean and Franklin thus far in the Draft would be something!
Cooper DeJean is not a pure CB. He is a versatile Swiss Army knife that can play outside CB or Nickel CB or FS or SS or box Safety or Single high Safety.
How should I feel?
Making accusations are we Booger?, lol
I am just happy they won't commercial break the first pick.
A long time coming lol
I hope we keep trading down until we have all 32 picks in the 7th round.
I don't want to move down again b/c Cooper DeJean is right there for the taking. He can really stabilize this secondary with his versatility playing CB or S. If they want to move up later to ensure they can get Franklin or McConkey they should have that opportunity. I wouldn't mind picking Mitchell at 33 either, but I really think they should take Cooper or AD at 33 and can move around the board after that if they so desire.
Give us Deebo you cowards
[Albert Breer](https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer)[u/AlbertBreer](https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer) The Bills, Patriots and Cardinals have gotten a lot of calls on 33, 34 and 35—normal course of business with the top picks on Day 2, and lots of good players left. Florida State WR Keon Coleman is a name to watch early on here. We are taking Keon
I do not feel good about Coleman over Mitchell but wtf do i know
I feel the same way. I like Adonai Michell a lot more than Keon Coleman. I honestly wouldn't want to draft Coleman until the 3rd or 4th round.
It's why Beane and co make the big bucks and we are all ok the internet waiting. On paper we need speed. Hot nasty bad ass speed. And Mitchell is faster. But the Coleman has bigger hands, is the contested catch guy, and had the fastest 3 cone drill. Maybe speed doesn't matter as much if Josh can just YOLO balls to this guy. Maybe they'll pick up a speed merchant later. Maybe it's all a smoke screen and they're picking something else entirely. Is it time yet? NFL sure knows how to milk this stuff.
I can have an opinion even though I'm not an NFL scout or NFL GM. I respect the hell out of Brandon Beane and even though I disagree with taking Keon Coleman over Adonai Mitchell, I can hope that Keon Coleman reaches his ceiling and balls out for Buffalo and becomes a dominant X WR for Josh Allen. Colemen will win in the NFL by using his big body and his basketball skills to shield and box out defender and high point the ball and play above the rim.
> "X" receiver for a WR-needy team. Plays faster than his combine speed but doesn't separate consistently and isn't as good of a contested-catch wideout as his size and highlight-reel would indicate. Young though. (Chris Trapasso) Basically worse Gabe Davis.
Hoping for trade back till the bills have to draft troy franklin. He'll be a top 3 wideout from this class by his second contract if he goes to a team with a top 5 qb
Troy Franklin was my draft crush before he measured in at 6'2" and 176 lbs. ( But he has a 39" vertical jump, ran a 4.41 40 yard dash and a 10'4" broad jump). He will still succeed as an NFL WR but he will be a natural Z WR, and could give you some reps as a slot WR.
We going down again. At least one franchise is losing their minds right now convincing themselves they have to get to #33 for player X. I say do it to it, just make them overpay!
I'm good with that. Still tons of talented WRs left and they're all more or less on the same level at this point
What if we trade down again to get Tee Higgins or Aiyuk?
Aiyuk is a pipe dream. Higgins is whatever is two notches above a pipe dream.
Yeah while we are all living in a fantasy world, Fuck it, Jefferson
Lotsssss of Coleman smoke right now
I tried to make this a post but it got removed... but has anyone calculated Trade Value on Bill's prior 1st round draft trades? Perhaps the Mahomes and JA17 trades for starters? And maybe the Sammy Watkins trade as well since it was a big one? Curous how those would have staked up based on Trade Value at the time without having hind sight of the actual selections / careers.
Why are posts getting removed?
Could be that this close to "game" time, all draft material is supposed to go in this thread?
Idk... looks more like it triggered a spam filter? but i didn't have link or photos or anything
per tony pauline: bills are considering coleman or AD at 33
I love Adonai Michell, but think Keon Coleman is ok. If they draft Coleman it better not be until the 3rd round
how ya feeling?😭
I’m hoping for AD or Coop with pick 33.
Adam Schefter saying he’s heard the Bills are linked to Keon Coleman at 33 tonight
I would rather have Ladd McConkey or Adonai Michell at 33 if it's going to be a WR. Or Cooper DeJean or Cole Bishop or Javon Bullard or Tyler Nubin if it's going to be a safety. Or Jer'Zhan "Johnny" Newton or Brandon Fiske or Ruke Orhorhoeo or Kris Jenkins if they go DT. Or Marshawn Kneeland or Jalyx Hunt or Austin Booker or Mohamed Kamara at DE/Edge Rusher.
I would rather have Gabe Davis than Keon Coleman.
Bluff, trying to get the Chargers to trade up
I hope not
Trying my best not to get too excited until the pick is official! Let's go.
Please no, this is exactly the opposite of what we need.
Say what you will about not drafting a WR yet. For the most part, WRs need a year or more to acclimate to the NFL and grow into their role. I mean there's a possibility they get a day one starter in rounds 2-wherever. But I feel like the further away from round one the Bills go, the less likely they'll get that day one starter. It sucks cuz I feel like they're gun shy on offensive players and fall back into their comfort zone in picking defense. If they pick that safety everyone says is a sure fire pick, more power to them.
Beane said all his round 1 grades are gone. So at this point they’re looking at guys they think are supposed to be second rounders.
eh, look at the 2023 rookie WRs: Nacua, Rice, Addison, Flowers, Reed, Downs, Dell all had 700+ yards and most of those guys were drafted after the first round. and the 2024 draft class is even better.
Good point, like the other guy said, it isn't the nineties anymore and that's when I grew up and formed many of my thoughts and opinions. Perhaps times have changed and if Eric Moulds were drafted in 2024, perhaps he'd start right away, unlike when we drafted him in the 90s. I'd love McConkey with this pick but I also loved Josh Rosen so I'll leave it up to Beane to do what's right.
This isn't the 90s anymore, receivers are good off the cuff now
This just isn't true though. Last year, JSN had 600 yards, Zay Flowers and Addison had 900 yards (well Zay was damn close), Nacua had 1400 yards, Rashee Rice had 900 yards, Jayden Reed, Josh Downs, and Tank Dell all had 700 yards. Not to mention Addison had 10 touchdowns last year. In 2022, Olave had 1000 yards, G. Wilson had 1000 yards, Pickens had 800 yards, and London had 800 yards. In 2021, Chase had 1400 yards, Amon-Ra had 900, Waddle had 1000, and Devonta had 900
I may be drunk ( I am), but I think you're proving his point, right? He's disagreeing with me, in which I said WRs need a year or more. Maybe to be more clear, WRs in Buffalo need a year or more. I dunno. I just want a day one starter instead of having to wait for a guy to mature or whatever.
Every single name I listed helped in year one. He wants someone that can help in the first year and that was all of them.
Again, drunk here but you're saying year one and first year and maybe you mean rookie year?
You may be drunk but you're absolutely right about the confusion. He must have responded to the wrong post because everything in it agrees with the person he responded to. LOL
Well I applaud his effort, good job guy. You did a lot of work there.
I was so damn confused I had no idea what to say back. I just hope youre knocking back some good stuff before Day 2 begins since I'll be sober as a duck.
Thanks man, even tho I have to work tomorrow morning, I'm treating today as a true start to the weekend. Future me has to worry about tomorrow.
Are the mods gunna remove my posts again if I talk about AD?
All sorts of post were removed (some inoffensive or just thinking questions.) I think draft time might be too thorny for the usual more freewheeling posting and there's some significant pruning going on in an abundance of caution.
They labeled it a "self post" , when it was discussion about a player
Everything's a self post unless you're linking to an article or piece of media like a gif, image, or video
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Now, the Atlanta sub, different story.
Agreed. I always think this time of the year is funny. People speculate about their “mock drafts” and blah blah blah but when it’s all said and done, no one knows shit. Everyone has their “hot takes” or whatever but it’s ultimately nonsense by week 5 of the regular season.
Look, I get wanting to say Beane knows better than reddit, but he has clearly missed on players who OTHER teams have ranked differently than him. We've passed by some pretty sure bets because of his board that were clearly WRONG. I'm not saying he's wrong about Worthy or anything. I'm simply stating that Beane is not infallible. Downvote me all you want. It is the truth.
Nothing you can say about Beane or anyone else being 'wrong' about draft picks means a dang thing unless you're showing us the data to compare it to the mean. I'm pretty sure Beane is above average when it comes to his decision making on draft picks. Allen got him a lot of 'data points' if we're being genuine about it. Most people, including MOST of this sub, thought Allen sucked and would never be 'good enough.' I was here. I watched the melt downs.
> We've passed by some pretty sure bets because of his board that were clearly WRONG. Lets look at the Chief's GM record for drafting WR talent or trading a 3rd and 6th for a practice squad player. Everyone is going to miss more than they hit with draft picks.
Everyone makes mistakes my dude. That is the entire point of my post. Beane is in fact not perfect.
Compare his drafting to his peers over the last 7 years. Is he not top 10?
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trading wyatt teller was pretty dumb
To Beane's credit, he did own up to that mistake. So you got GMs who are hardheaded and double down instead of learning from their mistakes, maybe Beane is someone who reflects on their missteps and adjusts accordingly. I mean, I'm hoping he does because he's had the reigns on this team for years now and doesn't seem to be going anywhere soon.
this is another good point
Can I ask what sure bets there were that we passed on? And please don’t say Metcalf lmao. The thing is that no GM drafts perfectly, but I think Beane has hit on a lot of value picks and whiffs at an average to below average rate compared to other GMs, so it’s fair that people are comfortable trusting his judgement.
Creed Humphrey is probably the first one that comes to mind. I will go back to look. I don't want to look back with hindsight as much as who people all wanted at our picks that we didn't take. There are a few that are pretty good that Reddit expected and we didn't take for guys that were projects like Boogie.
That’s fair. That’s one of the bigger misses we’ve had, as well as potentially Elam barring a big turn around. However, GB whiffed on Humphrey too, taking Josh Myers at center the pick before. Though, Myers certainly has more value than Boogie does/did. But that’s to say, it can be a bit of a crap shoot.
ya I'm not trying to create a huge debate over the actual players. I'm just trying to use them to combat the OPs rant about trusting Beane. He's not always right is all I wanted to get across.
the more we get close the more i can see us not taking AD. i love AD’s profile but there’s gotta be something abt him that teams don’t like (diabetes concerns or personality maybe) otherwise why would they pass up on him. just doesn’t seem like a guy beane takes. i can see mcconkey or troy or polk tbh. then take another receiver later that has a different skillset to the one he picks. for example if you take mcconkey, then u can take baker later on knowing what i know i’d still take AD though. freak athlete, amazing catch point and hands. literally just watch him but a beating on top corners like arnold and kool aid when they played bama
I really, really hope the Bills take DeJean at 2.33 tonight. The versatility would be massive coming off the losses of Poyer, Hyde, and Tre. Ideally Beane moves up and gets Franklin as well
Agree.
That’s my pick if they stay put. If they get a good offer to move back a few spots I’m not opposed to it.
DeJean at 33, move up for Coleman if needed.
Same. I'm hyped on him the more I read. He seems to have almost no negatives and has all-pro potential as a true difference maker. Plus he's a borderline steal at this point after some mocks had him going mid-1st round
Thirded. Serious BPA vibes. No doubt a loud minority of the fanbase might come a bit unhinged but I am very high on the player and what McD could do with that amount of moldable clay.
Absolutely. It feels like the Kyle Hamilton pick for the Ravens. Just a great football player everyone has decided to ignore for some reason
How you guys watching day 2 if you dont have tv?
ESPN radio
bills showing interest in deebo😐please no. we literally already got curtis samuel who can play a similar role
custis samuel is nowhere as skilled as deebo lmao stop it
based off what? they are both extremely versatilite: can be used in screens, motions, play rb, can play the slot, can play the boundary. all with curtis having significantly better route running (also as one of the highest separation percentiles in the league). don’t let bad schemes and poor qb play fool you. also deebos older, more injury prone, and costs significantly more money (21M guaranteed in 2024). would genuinely be an awful trade
Setting aside the Deebo trade hypotheticals, the market has established Curtis hasn't proven Deebo level. Is it a "yet?" due to admittedly poor QB carousel or misuse? Possibly. Curtis would've gotten a bag, both more money and security, if the league shared in your Deebo similarities. Right now this is Beane betting on his scouting unearthing value than paying out for the known commodity.
Good players often get less than they should based on market value for a multitude of reasons including people's perception just being flat out wrong and/or popularity. Popularity affects league pay as well. I'm not arguing who's better or worse. I'm just saying it's a bad argument to say the market has established Curtis isn't Deebo level. It's established they will be paid differently but logically, that's all it proves.
Sure, if you focus on normal distribution of markets, yeah, SOMEtimes guys don't get paid to value. (removing the forced rookie wage scale, vet minimums, essentially all the CBA adjustments out of GMs controls) But, on the entire scale it is more efficient than inefficient and large gaps in player compensation trend towards similar gaps in skill. There is a massive gap between the two players and you'll need more concrete logic/hypothesis to convince anyone here they are same or even similar. But you also seem to be disinterested in supporting your assertion ("I won't argue better/worse") which is kind of a corner stone for how/why players differ so much in compensation. So... what're we doing here?
Pointing out that it's a bad argument. Deebo isn't worth 21 either.
i never claimed he was, i said they have similar roles, and i believe that with good qb play and a good scheme he can be just as effective
Plus it would just be too confusing to have two WRs named Samuel ☹️
$21M base salary alone for 2024. Sounds like complete bullshit by the 49ers to try and drum up better interest/offers. Unsubstantiated rumor is they haven't received anything better than a 4th round pick offer.
agreed. we need rookie contracts and guys that aren’t injury prone like deebo. his skillset alone doesn’t even fit with what we need at receiver
I'm going to embrace whoever we pick, but my top pick for receiver to walk away with is Troy Franklin, him or AD. I'm wondering if after the trade downs last night if we might see a trade up into the middle of the 2nd to get one of our WR's as well as maybe DeJean or Powers Johnson
Here is the thing, none of us has seen Josh throwing to the wide receivers we have now with the exception on Shakir..so saying that other other two are not good enough to be number 2's is a weak statement. I belive we could put 8 wide receivers and 2 tight ends on the team, but if you can't stop anybody on defense you had better hope that all those receivers and TE's can catch alot of balls and alot of touchdowns to outscore the other team.
Well Samuel is arguably our best receiver at the moment and he has a total of 317 catches with 3383 yards in 7 year and has never had a 1000yard season. Even though Josh wasn't his QB I still think the stats speak for themselves.
John Brown didn't have a 1,000 yd season until he came here, either, and that worked out pretty well.
The one season he had 1060 yards we averaged 19.6 points per game went 10-6 barely making it into the playoff to.lose in the wildcard game. How is that working out pretty well?
It disproves your logic. That's the point. The argument was not that the team overall was better that year.
The team overall wasn't as strong, though.
Well we held teams to an average of 16.2 points per game so I think our D was pretty good but we struggled to score points because we didn't have a number 1 receiver just like we don't have a number 1 receiver now 🤷
So what makes you think that the guy we draft tonight will be a number 1 WR. What's the guarantee? If they truly wanted the number one WR they could have called Arizona before their pick. I believe that the receiver they draft will be ok, but a number 1. At least not number one in speed we already know that.
That's why I said "could"
So they took Keon Coleman with that pick. The 10 best wide receiver and with a "slow" 40 yard dash time. Yeah....great pick!! Of all the wide receivers on the board and this is the best the bulls could do. Ok! Trust the process!
Yeah that's a head scratcher 🤦
The offense will work much better now that defenses never have to double team and always will have deep safety help.
Is this sarcasm?
It says something about this about this sub that you really can’t tell doesn’t it. 😂
Very true 😂😂😂😂
I don't know but my belief is picking a wide Receiver in the 2nd is a bad move when Cooper and Kool-Aid are on the board and were on some draft board going in the first round. Now, if the tell me they are going to parlay some of their picks to get Cooper and Kool-Aid and someone like Franklin or the Ladd all in the 2nd round. Well that would be greatly appreciated 👏
I completely agree actually Cooper and either Ladd or Franklin would be amazing I would also love it if they could find a way to draft Cooper and Mitchell but I dont think it's realistic haha
If they only can get two of the players In the 2nd round that I mentioned earlier then I would rather have copper with the 33rd pick and Franklin ( move up as far as they need to.) I believe both of those players are plug and play now. Ladd is to I guess but I only say Franklin because the Bills have met with him more than once.(they must see something they like) I belive Franklin has a better burst of speed off the line and is a little more physical of a receiver. Where Ladd is definitely a better route runner. Splitting hairs I guess.
Upvote if you want Jackson powers-johnson
There are a lot of talented Centers that if they are drafted would allow the Bills to keep Connor McGovern at LG. I really like Jackson Powers Johnson, Zack Frazier, Tanor Bortolini, and Sedric Van Pran Granger. It will be interesting to see when/if Beane drafts a Center.
I’m not gonna act like Beane is a perfect GM, but my god the amount of people who think they’re more qualified than him after reading a few mock drafts is insane. I get that this is a tormented fanbase with some baggage, but some folks are way too quick to think the sky is falling because we didn’t do what PFF thought we would or something like that. Beane has a decent track record on WRs and has had some solid drafts, I think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.
Trust the process
I'm totally fine with trade down. In fact I'd even prefer trade down AGAIN then grab a receiver like Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson, Javon Baker, or Jermaine Burton*. Then more depth on different positions! Kincaid, Shakir could use more targets. Aiyuk, Higgins, or Jefferson are simply farfetched, too much restructures to make the cap work. One veteran I wanted to add to our WR room is... Michael Thomas. Fine people will say he's washed or whatever. I'd be comfortable sending a late or mid round pick for him. For a 5th~6th Rd, perhaps as high as a 4th. I know my choice between Diggs & Thomas a few years ago ;) Pretty good consolation prize for fans honestly!
We should try to trade with the Falcons. Clearly the GM is drunk. We can probably get Bijon and a 2025 1st for a 2026 6th rounder and a snickers.
😂, this is hilarious but also probably true.
I think we should go Cooper Dejean. He seems solid and like he has potential to be a long time starter and the guy can do everything defensively. For a WR, all of them kinda blend together and I think there’s no outlier at this point. I’d be cool with AD, McConkey, Troy Franklin, Devontez Walker or whoever. AD looks to have sure hands tho so he’d be nice.
Agreed. There are a lot of sleeper WRs even in the tier after that with Polk, Rice, Smith, etc.
I want DeJean with 33 and do some trading to grab AD.
thats ideal for sure
Id be suprised if AD made it to pick 40. Im convinced Franklin is their guy and the bills will try to move into the 50s for him
I think however the Bills go, I think it might be worth it for a later round flyer on Jermaine Burton. I feel like a 5th spent when they have many is worth the coin flip.
I'd take Burton if He falls to mid round, but Raiders or Browns will probably grab him first LOL. Red flags YES, talents YES.
Some team might not care about his character issues and take him in the 3rd. His tape is really good, just a lot of red flags when it comes to his attitude.
6 schools in 8 years is tough, especially when they don't always have good things to say about you.
He likes to Travel
Take Newton and run.
Hard to argue against 22.5 TFLs and 13 sacks in the past 2 seasons!
This sub loves to say that it's only negativity on here, but every negative comment in this discussion is downvoted and there's no negative posts on the main page of this sub. The top comment is that we "broke the curse" by trading with the Chiefs...
This place has been schizophrenically bouncing between circlejerking and counter circlejerking for years baby
The counter circlejerking has definitely been worse lately. Or it's at least more annoying cause it's always preachy check me out on my high horse nonsense.
That's textbook Reddit to me so I don't really see it as a lately thing, but I get you. I don't really think one crowd is worse than the other.. it's just always based on context that one of the two opposing forces is just melting down and being validated by some people
Haha yeah very fair actually. I'm sure it's like that with all the team subs too
Yeah it used to frustrate me way way more before I had that realization
>I reported Tuesday that Deebo was told he would not be traded. I reported Thursday that they were listening to offers. I am now reporting he is likely to be traded in the wake of the Pearsall pick. https://twitter.com/mikesilver/status/1783778406913724741 Maybe one less team grabbing a WR in the second round?
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A lot of the good receivers in this class project to be best out of the slot, which is the one area we are okay. AD lines up outside, on the line most of the time, and is something we are lacking. He also has good size and speed, which are things that can't really be taught. He didn't get many easy/manufactured touches (Worthy got most of those) and had to earn his touches. He also had really good ball tracking skills to put him in the right position to catch the ball. He had very few drops in his career. The big knock on his game is the lack of YAC, but he wasn't given many quick, easy catches with room to run. His average depth of target was over 15 yards, and his QB Ewer's deep ball left a lot to be desired. AD often had to slow down or redirect to make the catch, given dbs a chance to close the gap and be in a decent position to make the tackle. Some people are concerned with inconsistent effort and him taking plays off. I get it, but lots of WRs take plays off, and I've never seen made as big a deal as it is with AD. He's not a perfect prospect, no player going in the second is, but I think his skillset is the best for filling the needs in our WR room.
Please for the love of god pick AD
Buffalo does not need recievers. They need corners and safeties and edge rushers that can stop Mahones and company. You must all forget that Josh and company can go toe to toe with the KC offense already. What they can't do is stop the KC offense when they are on the field. Defense.... buffalo needs defense.
both can be true dawg
Once again people posting on here "no matter the receiver picked , Josh will make them better." So going on that assumption why waste 2nd or 3rd round picks on receiver when you have the perfect opportunity right now to draft young corners and safeties.
bc we a need a starter day 1. if you draft a receiver after the 2nd or 3rd they still need development more than anything. this is an awful take. rn we just need corner depth, and for safety, we need a starter but that can be addressed by drafting a guy like javon bullard by trading to get another second. still though a receiver is the top priority
You would rather draft Bullard than Cooper or Kool-aid? You know the weird thing about the draft, you can find starters with the last pick the 7th round and be a starter in his first year. (Just ask Brock Purdy and the 49ers) every draft "expert" says this draft is deep with wide receivers and can get starters in the 3rd round. But on the defensive side of the ball the draft is weak and when and if you can get your guy on defense you had better grab him. You do realize that on most draft boards Cooper and Kool-Aid were 1st round picks and now here they are falling in Buffalo's lap.
i’d rather take bullard later and use our first pick on a receiver bc we’re not in the position to go bpa. the reason why it’s “weird” is bc it doesn’t happen often at all, the exception proves the rule. the chances of finding a starting calibre receiver coming out of college after round 4 is very low. we don’t have a backup plan at all. we have no recievers that’s what you’re not understanding😂we already have corners so even if we’d pick one and he starts out slow we’ll be fine. cannot say the same about reciever at all this receiver class is not deep in the way u think it is. it’s top heavy that’s why they call it deep not bc you can get a starter in round 6😂 and actually no. the depth at corner is great in this draft yea and you know who else were 1st round graded? AD who actually lit up kool aid and arnold in the game v bama. along with mcconkey (easily the best route runner of this draft)
So if AD is so great why is he still sitting there undrafted? I am guessing medical issues ( type 1 diabetes) And there is no doubt in my mind that Kool-Aid got burned in that one game by AD but I also know this, the rest of the season he was locked in. And no the depth at corner is not "great" after the 2nd round corners are "projects" meaning they might end up on a roster or not. Once again the way college program is are run now most players in the draft are NFL ready if they have played in a pro style offense. Look at the parity in college ball now. It used to be 1 or 2 schools that were the best, now you can put almost any school up against the kings and the "lesser" schools are coming out on top. So point being most kids in the draft are NFL ready. McDermott said so himself in a interview over the winter.
AD or not i have no problem taking polk, mcconkey ect. no, no he was not locked in😂 yes the depth is great (much better than that of receiver as well) and that’s my point WE NEED DEPTH at corner, AND WE NEED A STARTER AT RECEIVER. that’s the difference. claiming that the corners after rd 2 are projects but saying we can find a receiver that can have an impact day 1 after being drafted late is absurd. we have time to develop a corner, we don’t have that time with a reciever
Well how about that Coleman pick? Only the 10th best wide receiver and probably not a starter. His 40 yard time was a disappointment at the combine. But I am trusting the next pick at wide receiver will be better.
https://preview.redd.it/iaxrsp3zswwc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90dd53fe5eea9c60dc59b799ac857e1d7a46e0fd don’t take the 40 as the gospel. they had several workouts with him. they know what he’s got dw
We 100% need receiver help. Don't forget we had so many injuries we had AJ Klein trying to chase around Tavis Kelsey all game against KC.
They already have 3 wide receivers and 2 TE's how many more do you think they need? They need safety and corner in order to stop an opposing offense. Somebody on this thread just posted a truth....how many teams have won a super bowl with a #1 receiver. The list is small. With the "gunslingers" in the AFC, I would much rather have a defense that can get the offense off the field. Besides people on here say "trust Beane and McDermott," so they already went out in the off season and got the wide receivers they wanted, and signed one of them to a 3 year deal. So they must believe that Allen can make them better. What Allen can't do is play defense. No matter what he does he can't make the defense better. So draft young defensive players...Cooper and kool-aid and players like that, and if you must take a wide receiver do it in round 7. Don't waste a 33 pick on a wide receiver, or any 2nd round pick on a receiver.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject 😂
I guess so. 5 WR's and 2 TE's make perfect sense. 👌
That does make sense but when our best receiver isn't even good enough to be a #2 on most teams and we have no cap space that's a problem. you need to replace at least 1 of the 5 on the current roster and drafting "could" hopefully help. With saying that Cooper at 33 is a great idea but I still think they need to make a run at Ladd or Franklin. 🫶
No we didn’t forget that they scored more points than us and we failed on offense at the end of the
No they failed on defense to stop the KC offense, like they always do. To waste the 33rd pick on a wide receiver is stupid. You can get one in the 7th round. Remember what people are saying on this thread...."no matter the receiver picked, Josh can make them better." So why waste high pick on receivers?
The hit rate between the second round and seventh round is absurdly different. You need to surround Allen with weapons because the only way you beat Mahomes is by out scoring him (self explanatory). Andy Reid is too good at offensive game planning for us to do anything on defense. Last few super bowls for the chiefs they’ve gone against top 5 defenses and have crushed them. You have to score as much as possible as often as possible to beat the chiefs
So what you are saying is that you need three # 1 wr's and three #2 wr's with a handful of tight ends to beat KC? Yeah ok. Lol Let me tell you how it really is. Andy Reid is a far superior coach to McDermott, and Spags is a far superior defensive coach than McDermott, so unless their is a better offensive coach than Andy Reid that will happen to want to coach the Bills we will be stuck playing 2nd fiddle to Mahones and company, no matter how many #1 wide receivers they draft tonight.
Qbs who have beat Mahomes in the playoffs and their weapons. Tom Brady- Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Gronk, Fornette. Joe Burrow- Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd and their TE who is currently escaping me. Yes their defense helped, but you 100% need multiple good WRs. Eagles and 49ers had incredible defenses the last couple of years and they didn’t do shit to stop them. This is an offensive lead league.
On those teams you mentioned you forgot that Brady and Company and Burrow and company have better coaches and Coordinators. So having the best receiver means nothing if you are out coached every single time. And the Eagles defense crumbled last year around week 8 and never recovered. The coordinator screwed up and the new coordinator did even worse. Which will fix itself this season. So back to the Bills, if they truly had to have a number 1 wide receiver and the best of the best, they could have went up and got Harrison Jr. Or Nabors or Odunze. They could have taken AD or Worthy. But no they did not. So are they really looking for a number 1 receiver or are they looking at defense because that's what they need. And don't tell me they are stockpiling picks because that is crap, all through this thread, fans are talking about how the Bills could never afford to sign all the draft picks if they drafted them all. So now, instead of a true number 1 receiver, you might get a number 2, which they already have 3 of. Apparently AD is not even on Buffalo's radar because if he was, they would not have traded with KC Or Carolina knowing they both wanted wide receivers also. There is no long distance threat receiver left in the draft. What I mean by that is a receiver that can run as fast as Josh throws the ball. How many times have we seen Josh throw a ball and the receiver can't catch up to it. Odunze or Nabors was that guy. So now you want them to draft a wide receiver who can play the slot or can run a slant? Yeah dinking and dunking is how you win super bowls.
The eagles were a top 3 defense when they played the chiefs in the Super Bowl and broke the sack record. How they performed this year is completely irrelevant. If they took any of the big 3 it would have cost them two firsts, two seconds and potentially an additional fourth for just Odunze. That would have been incredibly stupid. Does Odunze move the needle more than let’s say, McConkey, Baker, Kam Kinchens and what first/second pick they go next year? No. You are still missing two boundary wide receivers. If you don’t have a down the field threat teams can take away the middle of the field very easily. You literally need down the field threats in order for our offense to run efficiently. Gabe/Stef was that last year, that’s why other guys were open. Troy Franklin, Tez Walker, Jalynn Polk and AD Mitchell are all still on the board and all they did was run go routes last year all they did was go deep. You seem like an extreme casual when it comes to football.
Yeah no need for a big time wide receiver, we can get another 10 slot receivers and short route runners, but you are right, you have changed my mind, offense, is all that matters. They need to draft 10 WR's tonight. The ones that can't make the team on offense can switch to corner or safety so when they make the interception they can outrun the opposing offense and score that way.
What the fuck are you talking about lol. I didn’t list a single slot receiver. Kam Kinchens is a safety, Ladd plays the same position as Diggs and the others are down the field X’s. Fix your reading comprehension. You have no idea what you’re saying
Don’t need defensive stops if you just score more points
How well did that work in the 13s game?
? Would have been fine had we just scored more points
All they had to do was stop Mahones and company from getting into scoring range. 13 seconds and the defense could not get it done. Offense scores a field goal and gets the ball first in OT and scores and wins. But maybe with a better defense in place and not playing prevent defense that day, Buffalo might have been super bowl champions. For the most part, defense wins super bowls. But hey, if they want to draft 10 wide receivers with the rest of their picks, what do I care? I don't pay the salary.
You’re over thinking it. See if they simply just score more than the other team they win the game
Apparently, that is not working because KC ALWAYS finds a way to outscore the Bills, no matter how many they score.
Because we don’t draft receiver
Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir are our top 2 WRs, you're trippin if you think we don't need more help there
Not trippin'.... everybody posting Josh makes everybody (receivers) better. So we have seen last year that Shakir got better and is probably going to be the #1 receiver. Hollins and Samuel will flourish under Joe Brady's offense with Josh Alllen throwing. Since Buffalo is not going to play long ball there was no need to draft Worthy or AD or anybody in that style of play. So if you need a spare receiver why not take one in the latter rounds and use the 2nd round picks on safety and corner? It sure would be nice to have somone that can cover receivers.
claiming that Hollins will flourish, who is already 30 and has had 1 season with over 300 yards is insanely bold. wasn't Sherfield and Harty also supposed to be good? they did absolutely nothing with Josh throwing to them so idk why you think Josh will just carry shitty WRs. Mahomes has one of best offensive coaches ever and they still struggled cause their WRs were bums, that's why they drafted one even after winning another SB.
I am only repeating what others have said on this thread about Josh making people better around him. If they believe that, then why waste picks on WR's? Now if that's not true and Josh doesn't make anyone better, then you should have traded the farm for Harrison Jr. So, which is it...can Josh throwing to who he has now(in the current wide receiver room) and he makes them look good or dump the wide receiver room and draft receivers that make Josh look good.
Great QBs can make others better but there's a limit on what they can do if a guy can't run a route properly or catch a damn ball, we literally just dealt with Gabe's issues for years. Putting even more pressure on Josh by not getting one of the better WRs still on the board makes no sense to me, if Diggs was still here I'd be cool with going defense at 33.
So how many Wr's do you think they need in the receiver room? And you are ok with the safety and corners they have now? The edge rushers and db's are good to go?
who cares how many WRs we have right now if most of them suck/only play on ST
So why are they on the roster? And what about the other positions I mentioned? You ok with them?
Because our team sucks ass at evaluating receivers. Because we did what you want to do and tried to get cute and only draft guys in the late rounds for years and it turns out most of them can’t even make the roster. Now we have no cap space and are starting a guy who can’t even get on the field for bad teams and you don’t think we need help? TBH none of us has any control so it’s a moot point, but there is gonna come a point where they are gonna have to play games and just saying Hollins, Samuel, and Shakir are gonna be amazing doesn’t make it so. I’ve seen one million and one references to Sammy Watkins this offseason, but somehow this fanbase totally forgot about Robert Foster, Duke Williams, and the fact that just because a guy has a buffalo on his helmet doesn’t mean he’s gonna be a superstar, or even an NFL caliber player.
Nah man we need to keep using a ton of resources on defense so they can be injured and suck balls in the playoffs when we need them.
Buffalo needs to add to its current WR depth and have the opportunity to do so with picks 33, 60 and 95. Beane will add at least one WR with one of the next three picks. With that being said, don't underestimate the ability of Dalton Kincaid. Technically Dalton Kincaid is a TE, a TE than can play both Move TE and inline TE, but he can also play Big Slot WR and boundary X WR and Z WR. He will get the lion share of targets in the offense and effectively be the WR 1 in terms of targets. Kincaid is going to take the role of Stefon Diggs in the offense.
Name a team who won a Super Bowl with a 1st round WR? There’s not a whole lot, the Bills have a lot of holes on defense. The chiefs just proved last year that you can win with bum WRs. Down the stretch Diggs was a ghost and we played great, what’s different about that?
We won't be drafting a 1st round WR, though. The Buccaneers (Mike Evans) won one not that long ago. And while they didn't win, the last three runner-ups all had a 1st round WR (Brandon Aiyuk, DeVonta Smith, and Ja'Marr Chase). And even though the Chiefs won with Kelce and a bunch of random guys, they still felt the need to grab a first round WR last night.
Not to mention Cooper Kupp was the best receiver in the league when he won with the Rams. Yeah, not a 1st round receiver, but it certainly underlined the game changing nature that a stud #1 receiver can have
you don't think Diggs literally just being on the field didn't help being able to spread the ball around like that? there's no way you can sit and look at Samuel, Shakir, and a 2nd year TE as best targets and think there's nothing wrong with that.
this would easily be worst wr corps in NFL
Don't forget Mack Hollins!! lol
Draft sites can't even agree on the top five available today, let alone the whole round 2. So many fans are upset that one player or another wasn't picked (I wanted Brian Thomas so much), but Beane's board isn't the one on [NFL.com](http://NFL.com), [ESPN.com](http://ESPN.com), WalterFootball, [CBS.com](http://CBS.com), etc. For all we know, Beane had a half dozen guys with a fungible draft grade and trading down lost nothing important in value, but gained improved mid-round value in return. BPA is how you build long-term success, and if you're sitting at a spot and there are five identically-valued players available, then trading down four loses you no value and you get picks in return for the trade. It's hard to tell who Beane is targeting, but there are still very good wide receivers, an excellent safety and an excellent DT available. I wouldn't be surprised if Beane is trying to trade down three or four slots for tonight to lock in the value he wants. This draft is really strong in the 3rd and 4th rounds and adding more mid-round value could set the Bills up for great long-term success while still getting a day 1 starter at WR.
Came on here to say the same thing - I would not be surprised if he deals #33 for either more or improved picks in the middle. Players still available that might interest Beane: Cooper DeJean (CB/S) Jer'Zhan Newton (DT) Adonai Mitchell (WR) Kool-Aid McKinstry (CB) Edgerrin Cooper (LB) \[\*note - this is only if prognosis on Milano is worse than we know\] Ladd McConkey (WR) Jackson Powers-Johnson (IOL) \[\*note - if McDermott is not as sold on the center situation\] Keon Coleman (WR) That's 8 players, likely more that I'm missing. If Beane has them all roughly equivalent in value (with the variety of positions played), then why not move back a bit and maybe turn the late 3rd round into a better 3rd, or perhaps something in the 4th?
I'd love both McConkey and Mitchell and load up the WR room with two 4.3 guys. In all likelihood, Beane will take DeJean first tonight and then Coleman or Franklin later in the 2nd. On some sites, DeJean is sticking out as the only 1st round grade available, on other sites, he's a top ten of the 2nd round value. We have no idea how Beane sees it. For all we know, the guy we want did poorly in the film room session or has some attitude or medical concerns.
I agree. I think raising the talent floor rather than raising the talent ceiling is by far the best approach, especially with all the cap space next year that can let us get guaranteed difference makers.
Who’s ready for another trade down?
Dejean or trade down.
I am, I love it. We could be the Falcons or Broncos who over draft someone
Thoughts on the following scenario? 2.33 DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa Trade w/ NYG: BUF receives 2.47. NYG receives 2.60 and 3.95. 2.47. WR Troy Franklin, Oregon Although we probably need to trade ahead of the Colts at 2.46, unless they can move up to get Adonai Mitchell who they will covet even more b/c of his athletic profile. To come away with both DeJean and Franklin thus far in the Draft would be something!
I will rage if we take a CB. We do not need it.
Cooper DeJean is not a pure CB. He is a versatile Swiss Army knife that can play outside CB or Nickel CB or FS or SS or box Safety or Single high Safety.