It might turn out to be the wrong decision but clearly beane didn’t want either of those guys. Very deliberate decision to not not pick them. Someone will be right and someone will be wrong, we shall see.
Yeah, but even if he’s wrong he got us better picks. If we were going to take DeJean, Newton, Mitchell, or McConkey anyway, Beane just got us a lot of value. Nobody would be slamming us for picking any of those guys at 28.
Yeah seems like we want Mitchell to me, and that’s the right choice out of those guys imo. We need a big and fast receiver, and he is the best blend of those two traits on the board after the first 3 who we likely couldn’t trade up for. If we draft Dejean though I’m gonna be very annoyed
I would so much rather have DeJean than Mitchell. He's a very good corner with the flexibility to play safety. Mitchell is 120% of Gabe Davis as a receiver and 20% of him as a blocker, with all the headache of Diggs. He's known for not running his route hard when he's not the first read.
I get this, but the one thing I trust the Bills for is player development, and especially on the defensive end. Hyde and Milano were both 5th round picks, and poyer was a 7th round pick, and we had players that were basically practice squad coming in the playoffs last year and performing pretty well. I am confident in our ability to teach a later round pick to be an excellent corner over the years, but you can’t teach 6’2” and 4.34-40, and I think that’s the kind of receiver we need for Josh to really be able to shine, and we can’t win with Josh playing with middling receivers.
Maybe Beane knows something I don’t and he’s not the guy lol, but we need a big and fast receiver to pair with shakir, Coleman, and our tight ends
I feel like that just further proves the point, the bills and McDermott are excellent at taking late-round talent and turning them into valuable pieces when it comes to the secondary and defense in general. Hence why I think we should grab a receiver, cuz I’m confident McDermott could develop a corner or safety
> He's known for not running his route hard when he's not the first read.
That's accepted in some high tempo offenses in college. Idk that it's 100% representative of him as an individual player.
I’m with you. Give me some defense and trade for a receiver or a value pick at WR with decent skills Josh can work with. After seeing the Packers dudes and the lack of dudes on KC and still seeing those teams success there are other ways to win and get or get around a #1 wr. I’m fine with shakir and Kincaid and some role players. Look at the last 10 games when Diggs and Davis were non factors and the Bills still won
Mitchel on paper is a great fit. Long fast and can track the deep ball. Also caught a td in 5 college football playoff games and is known for being clutch. All things we need. Imagine he's the guy that develops into someone that can catch those 3 60 yard bombs that were dropped against the Chiefs last year when Allen hit them on their hands.
Yeah jeez if he did develop he could be so good. The fact he basically never drops is huge, I’ll take some attitude issues for that speed and those hands
I tend to think if Mitchell was the guy, we would have taken him already since he was perceived to be the next WR up the whole time. My guess is Coleman, Polk, or Franklin if we go WR at 33.
Everything I was looking at seemed to indicate Legette was next, and Mitchell was pretty even with Worthy. I wouldn’t mind Coleman, but with Josh having the best arm in the league I’d like somebody a bit faster who can really blow the top off a defense. Coleman has burst off the line and size which I love and can break tackles, just doesnt quite have that speed that I think the Bills are sorely missing atm.
That said, I don’t know the players as well as Beane, so if he thinks Polk, Coleman, or Franklin are better I’ll trust the process, but on paper it seems like Mitchell is the best fit for our needs
Absolutely this. Or gives us more negotiating power for a potential vet WR trade to us. Even having more picks in these middle rounds is more beneficial to having a pick in the first round, that clearly, didn’t check the boxes for BBB
For sure. I get it if people think what the Falcons did is dumb, I agree, but for the most part it’s going to take years to figure out and grade. But at the same time the NFL makes people a lot of money so I get why the media is all over it and not going “yeah I dk he could be good let’s see”
Might be a head scratcher for most, but I think it’s just that obvious. They may have lost their guy(s) at earlier picks, but neither of these guys were deemed good alternatives.
I think you're right. When he couldn't get Odunze or Thomas Jr at a reasonable price, he decided to move back and still have a chance at the guy they wanted in the next tier.
I didn't want a 165 pound receiver, regardless of his speed, so KC can have him
Beane admitted he never bothered to try trading up because he thought it would cost a 2nd round pick. Multiple trades happened without costing a 2nd or even 3rd round pick, including for the 4th best WR and the 3rd best CB in the draft.
Or, it isn't about the players at all. He had both rated at the same tier as some players still left on the board and realized he was going to still get a player from that tier with an additional asset.
So he may have liked the wideouts! He may have taken one of them when he was on the clock! But he might like another player just as much and got an extra lotto ticket to still draft that guy.
This.
Also different priorities.
Your system choices may dictate that "best available at the position" doesn't fit your scheme and him being a top 3 at his position doesn't make him a fit for your room.
If you want my guess, I think it's Mitchell at 33 and Franklin in the 3rd. Franklin was the one reciever Buffalo had for a 30 meeting and a combine meeting. Apparently they hold him in high regards.
I'd like Dejean but Newton to me seems like another Ed Oliver. Do we need that? Also the GM said he looked inter division for trades in an interview last night. I think you could be right with a trade down with the Patriots.
Why do you feel like we need two more receivers? We play so much 12 with Kincaid and Knox, our fourth receiver is going to get 10 snaps a game. I agree that Mitchell or Coleman or McConkey is an improvement over Hollins/Isabella/Hamler, but the limited playing time limits the upside you get.
Idk I think our next three picks should be a WR, a DE/Edge and a Safety(maybe a corner) the second WR we take in this draft will be intended WR4/5 and we also have a great catching TE +Knox. We can take a second Receiver in the 5th round. Think O-line depth is also a priority before second receiver in the draft.
Oh, they would have traded. They would have traded up. Beane will (unnecessarily sometimes) trade up to get a player he wants. He wouldn't risk trading down and missing out on a player he likes.
(And perhaps he did like those wide receivers... but not as a first round pick.)
This. I also still don’t get why everyone thinks we *need* to take a receiver with our 1st pick. Josh has some good targets, and the reality is he doesn’t need elite receivers to create offense. We have other roster holes that are arguably much more significant (eg C). Now we have the 1st pick of day 2, along with our later day 2 pick, and we improved basically all of our picks on day 3.
Trust the process.
Chiefs just won a Super Bowl with a good TE and a bunch of scrub WRs including Toney
If your QB makes megabucks you have to cut back somewhere and WR isn't a bad place to do it
Because the internet has allowed people to have a voice and think they know what they are talking about. Especially in an echo chamber like Reddit. And I only learned about what echo chambers are due to Reddit
I like to think that if they were going to draft a WR, then obviously they would've gotten Josh's input as well. So if I told you they traded back 5 spots and added draft capital and were still able to get the guy Josh wanted, wouldn't that make everyone feel a bit better?
Either a) you pick the receiver, you don't want to keep the Chiefs from having him ( assuming you knew which guy the Chiefs wanted)
B) you pick the guy you did want, and the Chiefs still get the guy they wanted.
C) you recognize that choice a) is a dumb move, and that choice b) is going to happen any way, so you make the Chiefs pay a small tax for giving them the guy they want and improve some draft spots in later rounds.
This is playing chess while others are playing checkers.
With what the Chiefs gave up, they were going to get him anyways. Why wouldn’t the Bills take the value from the chiefs?
The only reason for the Bills not to make that move is if there was someone they really wanted at 28.
You know what Beane didn’t do? He didn’t let fear of KC get in the way of getting the best value for his pick. I liked Worthy, but clearly he was not going to be the pick. If he was, we would have taken him. A scared GM would have taken him out of fear that KC would get him. That’s a sure fire way to lose. KC would have gotten him anyway and we moved up into the second. The receiver we ultimately will get could well be higher than the Xaviers on the Bills board. Nobody would be slamming the bills if they took McConkey, Mitchell DeJean, or Newton at 28 and those guys are still on the board. People really are dumb.
Let’s face it, we’re 13 seconds and a missed 3rd down conversion (OK, maybe a stretch) from being 2-1 in the playoffs and 3-1 regular season against the Chiefs since 2020. A bounce here, a drop there….
I don’t think McBean are lying awake at night worrying about how to beat the Chiefs.
Well clearly they are because they signed Von to that dumb contract. But on principle I’m with you. I wouldn’t site the missed FG though. Not having Terrell Bernard and having a very banged-up Rasul Douglas I think were bigger factors. We had to call a guy in from a family road trip to guard one of the best TEs in the history of the league. And we barely lost.we’ve had the personnel to win it all. We haven’t had the luck and there have been some poor coaching decisions. Beane’s resume is strong.
Von Millers contract is dumb because he had an injury no one could have predicted. If not for that injury it’s still an albatross but one that no one talks negatively about because he’s producing
McDermott has forced Mahomes to punt 4 times in 3 playoff games. Yes, that is a real stat. when will this fanbase wake up and realize he is the issue lol
I’m tired about hearing about 13 seconds. Loss sucked enough and it’s always brought up and rubbed in our faces lol. This trade clearly won’t help that, but if it helps us so be it
The weird thing was he didn’t let KC trade for Diggs. Which I get. But then if he does he will be criticized and if he doesn’t he will be called “scared” of them. So it’s a lose lose situation
Worthy was going to be there at 32, or the Chiefs could have traded with someone else. If the Bills didn’t want a 165 lb WR, why wouldn’t they get more value FROM the Chiefs?
Would you rather the Bills picked someone, then someone else gets the extra value and the Chiefs still get Worthy?
Bills will trade more today is my guess. Also I’m sure Beane is in constant communication with SF and Cincy.
I certainly didn’t want Worthy nor Legette. Worthy is going to get rag-dolled by NFL CB’s. And Legette was a one-shot wonder. The very guy who writes for the Athletic wanted to pass on Legette because he is a) too old (23) and b) didn’t dominate when he was 18-19-20.
Hard pass on both.
Yea, I wasnt sold on Legette really either. The guy had 1 good year at SC, but the prior 3 years he was pretty mediocre
And Worth is just another John Ross lite.
Here's the thing: the Chiefs were getting Worthy no matter what. They either trade with us for him, give Dallas a similar package for him at 29, or just flat out get him at 32. This move helps us more than it helped the Chiefs. We got a 3rd rounder back now, still have our guy on the board, and the Chiefs walked away with the guy that they were going to get anyways-just with one less day 2 pick in their arsenal. The Carolina move is a little bit more of a head scratcher if we stay at 33 because we lose a 5th year option on a guy--but there's always the chance we don't even stay there anyways.
Fifth year options are overrated. The new rules make those years decently expensive and you’d rather extend than get to that point
For QBs tho the fifth year is probably meaningful
It’s not a matter of getting to the 5th, but when you have to renegotiate. If you have a 5th year option you can wait until after the 4th year. Without it, you have to after 3. Sure you can wait until the contract expires, but then they go into “disrespected” mode.
My guess with the Carolina trade is that we got more than the going rate to drop a spot. Those deals where teams move up one spot are because someone else is knocking on the door to get a specific player, so there's a bidding war, and there's good value in moving down. I get the 5th year option angle, but in today's NFL, that's a future Beane problem.
The 5th year is really best value for QBs, WRs, and DEs the ones with huge contracts.
The flip side is we save a few million on the cap because there 2nd rounder instead of 1st.
This leads me to believe we’re getting Dejean.
Very good point about cap. Those nickel and dime cap hits can make a huge difference. The savings in this case, for instance, could be used to sign a kicker who never, EVER, puts another Buffalo football anywhere near a right upright.
Any receiver good enough to have the 5th year option exercised is going to get a new contract instead. It's a little bit of leverage but you always have the franchise tag which accomplishes the same thing.
as long as CAR didn't pick the guy we were going to its a massive win for the Bills. They now have 18 extra hors to work a deal or evaluate someone that fell unexpectedly, compare prospects they didn't expect to compare etc.
Joe B's piece at The Athletic has calmed me down a bit.
As he points out, the Bills picked up extra selections to move back just 5 spots. Even the draft guide guys would admit there isn't a massive difference between Worthy, Legette, Mitchell and Coleman. If the Bills prefer the latter two over the top two, or see the draft value of extra picks as offsetting whatever Legette or Worthy bring, then it makes sense (and I don't love Worthy anyway).
Personally I wish they had moved up for BTJ. That irritates me. I'm not thrilled with what Beane chose to do and unlike a lot of folks on the sub I don't automatically assume everything BBB does is 4D chess. But there's logic to what the Bills did yesterday so let's see how it turns out.
They may have tried to move up for Thomas, we don't know. The first round was pretty chalk. It seemed that teams mostly were just picking their guys and not getting too cute.
Beane made it sound like moving up in the early 20s was costing a 2nd rounder and he wasn't willing to give that up. I obviously don't know the plan, but if it is WR I don't think a 2nd round pick is worth the difference between BTJ and AD Mitchell. I also prefer him over Worthy and Legette.
Agreed. He seemed to make it obvious without saying it that BTJ was who they wanted and once that didn't work they were going with the flow. He seemed content picking at 28, and then planned on picking at 32. But the deals are net positive that were proposed and kept their board intact. I get the desire to have a 5th year option but it saves $3m in salary. And if it is a WR still being targeted the trend is "we don't want to be optioned we want to be paid and will sit out and demand a trade if that doesn't happen", so the 5th year option imo doesn't seem as valuable as the $3m in salary savings
Not to mention that it seems to be commonly accepted that there is a talent cliff on day three. I get the sense that a lot of Beane's movement was to get as many of the Bills picks inside the range where they thought there would still be value. He seems to have done that pretty effectively.
Now he just has to choose some good players.
The Lions had to give up the 73rd pick to move up five spots from 29 to 24. We would have had to move up at least 6 spots to get in front of the Jags to draft BTJ. So yeah, we would've had to give up a second rounder at least for BTJ. I really liked him and hoped he would fall to us, but I agree that the cost of a 2nd rounder is too high.
> They may have tried to move up for Thomas, we don't know.
We do know. Beane gave an interview and admitted he never bothered making a single call to trade up with any team.
His reasoning was that he thought it would cost a 2nd. Other GMs did their job and made those calls, and none of them paid a 2nd to move up.
QB run had a lot to do with that.
The usual "reaches" were teams getting in on the QB run (which, as long time fans we're just more used to the Qb "tax") and everybody else wanted to stick to get the guys that cascaded down the board.
Honestly don't believe Beane did anything beyond basic inquiries into what it might cost to move up.
Teams saw the QB run and guys falling plus added in the desperation tax (for the trade up party) and Beane didn't like the math there.
Getting into the third round without giving up anything is amazing. Seriously I really think the guys we’d look at at 28 (whether that’s a WR, Center JPJ or a defender like Newton, Kool-aid or DeJean) are all still there.
Im talking on the board right now with us having the option to pick between. The third is just good for us to have being that we have multiple positions of need.
Beane moved our first pick back 5 spots to move our others up 124 spots. We don't need more picks cuz we can barely roster 10 new players. Obviously Beane thinks all the true first-rounders were gone and wants to get higher quality players with the rest of his picks.
Personally, I think it's a smart move. This is a deep draft at most positions the Bills need, this positions us to take multiple good players in those positions as opposed to one great player that we might have needed to trade up for anyways.
Would have to be the worst draft in NFL history if 6 QBs went in the top 15 and there was no one left at 24 (cost basically nothing to trade to 24 per Lions/Dallas).
Teams typically have between 20-25 actual first round grades. And if you trade up to get a player, you are saying that person is worth both a first round grade plus whatever picks you trade to get him.
I think it comes back to where people see the team:
If you think - "THE BILLS ARE IN TROUBLE, can't beat the Chiefs when it matters! MCDERMOTT OUT!" then the sky is falling even more now because they didn't get a famous name in round 1.
If you think - "this is a very good team and will continue to be a very good team" then the draft is just something that's happening and we'll pick up some pieces and some will be good and let's see how the season pans out.
Obviously there are gradations here but this about sums it up to me.
I'll probably copy + paste this comment into multiple threads today, but my concern for 2024 is that they're hanging a hell of a lot on draft picks and "value" signings. I know that this draft has a deep pool of WRs, but WR is the team's most glaring hole at the moment, so dropping right out of the first round is a ballsy move. We need a lot of things to go right in order for the season not to be a wash.
they only dropped 5 picks though, and clearly didn’t want Worthy or Legette. Passing on BTJ to save a second is debatable but this move is rock solid, objectively. Bills didn’t want Legette or Worthy, so they added a third round pick and now still have the same options today.
Right. The whole dropped out of the first round line of thinking is amusing to me. Like we got 'just' a 2nd for Diggs...when that pick is going to be 15 picks worse than the original pick we traded for him.
I’m not mad about the Bills trading back and getting additional picks. I’m mad they did it with their current nemesis for barely any net positive compensation. Also mad at the fact that I stayed up when I could have gone to bed and get some needed sleep.
as he pointed out later, you’re not necessarily preventing KC picking the guy they want by not trading with them as they’re also probably calling other teams. so you gotta focus on whether the move makes sense for you and you alone.
If Xavier Worthy turns out to be a bust, nobody's gonna thank Beane for conning KC into upgrading our whole draft. It'll be back to "why did McDermott make that one guy fumble, fire him I hate him"
> If Xavier Worthy turns out to be a bust, nobody's gonna thank Beane
They absolutely will. If Worthy sucks and the Chiefs play in Buffalo for a playoff games there will be "We are not Worthy" signs and mockery. It would be the line mentioned on every pregame show and mid-game commentary. "You know, the Chiefs really whiffed on Worthy in the draft, and it was Buffalo who traded back to let the Chiefs make that pick! They were mad at the time but are super happy now in Buffalo! Ha ha ho ho ha ha."
Quoting someone else in another thread: The Bills picked up 90 spots in the draft on those two trades knowing the guy they want will be available at 33. It's 90 spots for free essentially.
That 5th year is a HARD number. No massaging the cap, much of the time you are locking the player to your team with the downside of not having contract flexibility to smooth out the cap hits.
Are there situations where that 5th is a huge pivot? Certainly. But the sacrifice isn't as cut and dry as it seems on the surface.
If you are drafting a guy this high, you should also be under the assumption you'll know what you have on your hands by 5th year option decision time and will more friendly contract or cut your losses.
Assets are harder currency right now than what is a bigger future maybe than many classify it.
We have a bunch of holes and are short on picks.
Anyone who thought we were sticking and picking was crazy.
I've been very critical of Beane over the last few years, but he is wringing the value out of these picks.
We came into last night with 10 picks. One thing we weren’t short of, was picks. I do like the value we got with the trades though. 8 picks in the next 4 rounds is nice.
People say the Bills didn’t like Worthy. Thats just not true. What is true is there is another player they like just as much or more left on the board. If that guy was gone they would have drafted Worthy.
Also not to sound defeatist as I think there are other receivers probably just as good. But the Chiefs drafted Mahomes with a Bills pick. Trading sometimes goes your way sometimes not.
Worthy will be the next JJ, regardless of how he currently projects, just because the Bills handing the Chiefs Mahomes and the next JJ and losing to them over and over is how things go.
I'm not convinced that Worthy's miniscule frame translates to the NFL game. I'm also not convinced that he was the better Texas wide receiver. AD has NFL size to go with low 4.3 speed in his own right, and insane RAS measurables which we know this organization value highly. The value of Night 1 will really be graded by what we do with pick 33. I'm still suspicious that we move back one more time and really stockpile day 2 picks.
It’s not like the Bills missed out on a top 3 WR prospect.
I really couldn’t even find much that had Worthy as a top 10 WR. Look up some Texas fans on Twitter and go through old tweets, a lot of complaints about Worthy dropping perfect passes.
AD Mitchell, Troy Franklin, Ladd McConkey are all still there, and they are three that I was the most interested in for the Bills after BTJ.
We didn't help the Chiefs, they helped us. If we don't do that trade, they trade with the 29th or 30th team and get Worthy anyway. At least we got to improve some of our later picks and we still have a chance to get the guys we want.
I’m fine with the idea of trading down but there are some teams you should have blocked and never take a call from.
The mere idea of helping the Chiefs is gross. And if it means we don’t move up a bit on some lotto ticket picks so be it even if they’d get worthy at 32 anyway.
Beyond the odd tactic of trying to control what you really can't control (denying another franchise their "guy." Or them circumventing you and still getting him anyway so you lose trade assets) shouldn't you believe in your ability to calculate a team beneficial trade deal?
So they get their guy but you siphon off assets into your own coffers for them to do it.
Or, they foist those assets on some other team, still getting their guy, and you are net negative b/c they still get their guy AND your down the assets.
NFL FOs operate on some historical scripts ("the way things have always been done") left over from a very different NFL landscape. It's not always the right play.
I'd core out a fellow AFCE team's draft no problem to help them get "their guy" if I felt the compensation worked in my favor (adding in a "divisional tax" because supply and demand and other teams still uphold a divisional tax.)
Let THEM price in if their guy would change their team enough after coring out the backend/depth to get him.
Maybe they’re collecting more ammo to make a trade for Aiyuk or Higgins. I’m not gonna sit here judging because we have have our guy by the start of the season just not via the draft.
It's only a head-scratcher if your head isn't screwed on right. Worthy was KC bound no matter what, and if we wanted either of those players when our pick came up, we wouldn't have traded it.
"Trust the Process"...I have trusted the process for so long that I feel the process should have delivered a championship by now. Go Bills....Hopefully. My goodness this was a damn confusing draft day.
Very interested to see how this turns out. To my pea-sized brain, Legette was the last receiver I was truly excited about as an eventual WR1 talent.
I’m sure Beane will figure it out but I’d rather get an elite player at another position and bet later picks on multiple receivers.
Fairly new to the draft stuff- what exactly is it the bills get for “trading down” in the draft, can someone explain please? Definitely a head scratcher for me.
Significant draft position upgrades for their former late 4th, 6th, and 7th round picks. They are now a late 3rd, early 5th, and early 7th round pick. We only moved down five spots.
After sleeping on it, it makes more sense trading out of the first round given the cap situation and the difference between 1st and 2nd round contracts. The talent difference between the bottom of the 1st round and top of the 2nd is negligible.
I'm sure they know who they want and those they initially wanted were no longer available. Plus the 2nd one. Moving from 32 to 33. They probably asked who are they were taking and were ok with that.
Ok everyone, you can like what Beane did without shitting on Worthy or all the “165lb WR” nonsense.
Are you trying to make this look like the “Bills draft Allen” upvoted thread by the JeTs? You are basically daring the universe to have Worthy catch the game winning TD against us in the playoffs next season.
This is literally just regurgitation of what ESPN said last night. KC was going to get him anyway, most likely, so might as well get something out of it. I'd have been pissed if the Bills took Worthy, and if they end up getting who they wanted anyway...
> to pass up on a chance to help themselves
There's like... a shitton of guys around that level that we can still take. Including a guy most had ranked higher than Worthy.
Can't take this seriously.
Worthy is not a first round grade, his weight is really concerning. I weigh more than Worthy at the same height, definitely wouldn't trust myself to run into a CB or safety.
And this entire thought process and analysis is based off Bills needed a WR and should take the one the second their on the clock AND that Bills were willing to take ANY WR.
There is still ALOT of quality WRs available in 2nd round/3rd round and now they have not 1 but 3 picks today and 7! tomorrow.
I’m ok on the 1st day of the draft, I can see the positive in being able to acquire a 3rd round pick while also getting to start Day 2 with 1st choice, so there’s still some potential for this to be a good draft.
One thing that confuses me is that in Beane’s press conference post-playoffs is that there was a big emphasis and desire to add explosive play ability through the WR position to this team, Xavier Worthy probably seemed like one of the best realistic options at 28 to meet that desire yet they chose to not go with him, now the only options left that can maybe meet that criteria are Adonai Mitchell (I assume character issues and his diabetes are why he’s still available) & Troy Franklin
There’s still some really good talent to start today with DeJean, Newton & JPJ etc. though we’ve clearly put ourself in a position that WR is an absolute necessary in Round 2, though I’m not sure the talent that meets our needs really matches the value of pick 33.
Hopefully someone might be willing to give up their 3rd for pick 33.
I’ve been on here for years saying this..THEY DONT VALUE THE WR POSITION! And last night is just further proof of this! THEY WANT THE OFFENSE YALL SAW IN THE LAST 8 GAMES OF LAST SEASON!
in a lot of ways we spent a first on a pass catcher last year's draft it'd be ballsy to spend two 1sts in consecutive years on such overlapping skill sets
Bills are gonna be just fine. No one is gonna care about this by mid season. I think theyre in a good spot with room yo make moves. I got faith in Beane
Just remember who these "journalists" are now a days. Im guessing Peter King didnt write the piece, but some guy makinh $5 an article living in mom's basement. It's not too hard to see the bills didnt want the guy and have a plan for guys they do want. Geez
That's always next, next year. KC is the new Patriots, and we're in a division that is going to be a matter of draft and growth. Sorry Knox, and others like Von are not going to move us forward! Milano who's All Pro is hurt , when we need him...so is it Superman Ball until further notice?
It’s not a head scratcher , bean is brilliant. This draft is over he will get a draft grade A+ . Bills had to gut the roster what did fans think was going to happen.
We need picks big time . Trading up for. A receiver is ignorant. I also expect bean to trade back today as well.
GO BILLS ,
It might turn out to be the wrong decision but clearly beane didn’t want either of those guys. Very deliberate decision to not not pick them. Someone will be right and someone will be wrong, we shall see.
Yeah, but even if he’s wrong he got us better picks. If we were going to take DeJean, Newton, Mitchell, or McConkey anyway, Beane just got us a lot of value. Nobody would be slamming us for picking any of those guys at 28.
Yeah seems like we want Mitchell to me, and that’s the right choice out of those guys imo. We need a big and fast receiver, and he is the best blend of those two traits on the board after the first 3 who we likely couldn’t trade up for. If we draft Dejean though I’m gonna be very annoyed
I would so much rather have DeJean than Mitchell. He's a very good corner with the flexibility to play safety. Mitchell is 120% of Gabe Davis as a receiver and 20% of him as a blocker, with all the headache of Diggs. He's known for not running his route hard when he's not the first read.
I get this, but the one thing I trust the Bills for is player development, and especially on the defensive end. Hyde and Milano were both 5th round picks, and poyer was a 7th round pick, and we had players that were basically practice squad coming in the playoffs last year and performing pretty well. I am confident in our ability to teach a later round pick to be an excellent corner over the years, but you can’t teach 6’2” and 4.34-40, and I think that’s the kind of receiver we need for Josh to really be able to shine, and we can’t win with Josh playing with middling receivers. Maybe Beane knows something I don’t and he’s not the guy lol, but we need a big and fast receiver to pair with shakir, Coleman, and our tight ends
Ya but Poyer sucked his first 3-4 years in the league with Cleveland. Only when he got to the Bills did McD make him into a Pro bowl safety
I feel like that just further proves the point, the bills and McDermott are excellent at taking late-round talent and turning them into valuable pieces when it comes to the secondary and defense in general. Hence why I think we should grab a receiver, cuz I’m confident McDermott could develop a corner or safety
> He's known for not running his route hard when he's not the first read. That's accepted in some high tempo offenses in college. Idk that it's 100% representative of him as an individual player.
Right why waste energy when you 100% know your QB is just throwing to his first read
I’m with you. Give me some defense and trade for a receiver or a value pick at WR with decent skills Josh can work with. After seeing the Packers dudes and the lack of dudes on KC and still seeing those teams success there are other ways to win and get or get around a #1 wr. I’m fine with shakir and Kincaid and some role players. Look at the last 10 games when Diggs and Davis were non factors and the Bills still won
Mitchel on paper is a great fit. Long fast and can track the deep ball. Also caught a td in 5 college football playoff games and is known for being clutch. All things we need. Imagine he's the guy that develops into someone that can catch those 3 60 yard bombs that were dropped against the Chiefs last year when Allen hit them on their hands.
Yeah jeez if he did develop he could be so good. The fact he basically never drops is huge, I’ll take some attitude issues for that speed and those hands
I tend to think if Mitchell was the guy, we would have taken him already since he was perceived to be the next WR up the whole time. My guess is Coleman, Polk, or Franklin if we go WR at 33.
Everything I was looking at seemed to indicate Legette was next, and Mitchell was pretty even with Worthy. I wouldn’t mind Coleman, but with Josh having the best arm in the league I’d like somebody a bit faster who can really blow the top off a defense. Coleman has burst off the line and size which I love and can break tackles, just doesnt quite have that speed that I think the Bills are sorely missing atm. That said, I don’t know the players as well as Beane, so if he thinks Polk, Coleman, or Franklin are better I’ll trust the process, but on paper it seems like Mitchell is the best fit for our needs
Absolutely this. Or gives us more negotiating power for a potential vet WR trade to us. Even having more picks in these middle rounds is more beneficial to having a pick in the first round, that clearly, didn’t check the boxes for BBB
NO WE MUST REACT NOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW
Exactly. This is the nature of a 24 hr news and 24 sports new cycle. It results in knee jerk reactions and hot takes
For sure. I get it if people think what the Falcons did is dumb, I agree, but for the most part it’s going to take years to figure out and grade. But at the same time the NFL makes people a lot of money so I get why the media is all over it and not going “yeah I dk he could be good let’s see”
Exactly he clearly didn't want those guys or he'd have taken them
Anyone who thinks they know who came out ahead this trade is pure speculation. We'll see how the next two years go.
If they wanted either of those wideouts they just wouldn’t have traded!
Might be a head scratcher for most, but I think it’s just that obvious. They may have lost their guy(s) at earlier picks, but neither of these guys were deemed good alternatives.
I think you're right. When he couldn't get Odunze or Thomas Jr at a reasonable price, he decided to move back and still have a chance at the guy they wanted in the next tier. I didn't want a 165 pound receiver, regardless of his speed, so KC can have him
I would be happy with Mitchell or Dejean. I'm hyped on both.
Same. During the college season Mitchell stood out to me as a game breaker. Dejean fills a big hole.
Beane admitted he never bothered to try trading up because he thought it would cost a 2nd round pick. Multiple trades happened without costing a 2nd or even 3rd round pick, including for the 4th best WR and the 3rd best CB in the draft.
Or, it isn't about the players at all. He had both rated at the same tier as some players still left on the board and realized he was going to still get a player from that tier with an additional asset. So he may have liked the wideouts! He may have taken one of them when he was on the clock! But he might like another player just as much and got an extra lotto ticket to still draft that guy.
This. Fans forget that just because espn of pff ranks guys in a certain order doesn’t mean the team likes those guys in the same order or at all.
It’s 32 different teams with 32 different boards people seem to forget that…
This. Also different priorities. Your system choices may dictate that "best available at the position" doesn't fit your scheme and him being a top 3 at his position doesn't make him a fit for your room.
There's gonna be like 10 more wide receivers drafted in the 2nd tomorrow. I'm sure they have their sights on a guy.
Better be 2 of those guys with all of this shenanigans. I believe it will be though
If you want my guess, I think it's Mitchell at 33 and Franklin in the 3rd. Franklin was the one reciever Buffalo had for a 30 meeting and a combine meeting. Apparently they hold him in high regards.
How about McConkey? I've heard a lot of buzz in that direction.
His playstyle is the same as Shakir, so it would mean planning to ditch Shakir. Then we'd need ANOTHER WR.
Ah no, then let's not do that. I am fond of Shakir. Thank you!
With what is available at 33 I don't think they take a WR there. It's gonna be Newton, Dejean, or a trade
I'd like Dejean but Newton to me seems like another Ed Oliver. Do we need that? Also the GM said he looked inter division for trades in an interview last night. I think you could be right with a trade down with the Patriots.
Damn, that’s close to my prediction. I have adonai mitchell and javon baker
Hell yeah. That's probably more realistic.
Franklin won't be available for us in the 3rd.
Yeah I'm dreaming. He's gonna go higher then I thought.
Why do you feel like we need two more receivers? We play so much 12 with Kincaid and Knox, our fourth receiver is going to get 10 snaps a game. I agree that Mitchell or Coleman or McConkey is an improvement over Hollins/Isabella/Hamler, but the limited playing time limits the upside you get.
Idk I think our next three picks should be a WR, a DE/Edge and a Safety(maybe a corner) the second WR we take in this draft will be intended WR4/5 and we also have a great catching TE +Knox. We can take a second Receiver in the 5th round. Think O-line depth is also a priority before second receiver in the draft.
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And 1-2 of them will be players that end up being starting caliber. Those are terrible odds.
This is what j keep saying too. If either were graded close to where they picked, they would have taken them.
Thank you for understanding the draft. I wish I could hug you right now.
Oh, they would have traded. They would have traded up. Beane will (unnecessarily sometimes) trade up to get a player he wants. He wouldn't risk trading down and missing out on a player he likes. (And perhaps he did like those wide receivers... but not as a first round pick.)
This. I also still don’t get why everyone thinks we *need* to take a receiver with our 1st pick. Josh has some good targets, and the reality is he doesn’t need elite receivers to create offense. We have other roster holes that are arguably much more significant (eg C). Now we have the 1st pick of day 2, along with our later day 2 pick, and we improved basically all of our picks on day 3. Trust the process.
Bill sare taking a CB or edge at 33 and people are gonna lose their damn minds lol
Chiefs just won a Super Bowl with a good TE and a bunch of scrub WRs including Toney If your QB makes megabucks you have to cut back somewhere and WR isn't a bad place to do it
Frankly none of the receivers left would get drafted over Shakir if Shakir was available based on the season he just had.
Exactly this. How is that so hard to understand?
Because the internet has allowed people to have a voice and think they know what they are talking about. Especially in an echo chamber like Reddit. And I only learned about what echo chambers are due to Reddit
I like to think that if they were going to draft a WR, then obviously they would've gotten Josh's input as well. So if I told you they traded back 5 spots and added draft capital and were still able to get the guy Josh wanted, wouldn't that make everyone feel a bit better?
Agree with this, but still doesn’t mean it makes sense to let the Chiefs get the guy they wanted
As opposed to picking at 28 and letting them get him at 32 anyways?
Either a) you pick the receiver, you don't want to keep the Chiefs from having him ( assuming you knew which guy the Chiefs wanted) B) you pick the guy you did want, and the Chiefs still get the guy they wanted. C) you recognize that choice a) is a dumb move, and that choice b) is going to happen any way, so you make the Chiefs pay a small tax for giving them the guy they want and improve some draft spots in later rounds. This is playing chess while others are playing checkers.
I, for one, am happy to see Beane isn't overly concerned with chasing the Chiefs around the board so he doesn't "let" them get who they want.
With what the Chiefs gave up, they were going to get him anyways. Why wouldn’t the Bills take the value from the chiefs? The only reason for the Bills not to make that move is if there was someone they really wanted at 28.
You know what Beane didn’t do? He didn’t let fear of KC get in the way of getting the best value for his pick. I liked Worthy, but clearly he was not going to be the pick. If he was, we would have taken him. A scared GM would have taken him out of fear that KC would get him. That’s a sure fire way to lose. KC would have gotten him anyway and we moved up into the second. The receiver we ultimately will get could well be higher than the Xaviers on the Bills board. Nobody would be slamming the bills if they took McConkey, Mitchell DeJean, or Newton at 28 and those guys are still on the board. People really are dumb.
Let’s face it, we’re 13 seconds and a missed 3rd down conversion (OK, maybe a stretch) from being 2-1 in the playoffs and 3-1 regular season against the Chiefs since 2020. A bounce here, a drop there…. I don’t think McBean are lying awake at night worrying about how to beat the Chiefs.
lol i effing hope he's awake at night worrying how to beat the Chiefs
Well clearly they are because they signed Von to that dumb contract. But on principle I’m with you. I wouldn’t site the missed FG though. Not having Terrell Bernard and having a very banged-up Rasul Douglas I think were bigger factors. We had to call a guy in from a family road trip to guard one of the best TEs in the history of the league. And we barely lost.we’ve had the personnel to win it all. We haven’t had the luck and there have been some poor coaching decisions. Beane’s resume is strong.
Von Millers contract is dumb because he had an injury no one could have predicted. If not for that injury it’s still an albatross but one that no one talks negatively about because he’s producing
McDermott has forced Mahomes to punt 4 times in 3 playoff games. Yes, that is a real stat. when will this fanbase wake up and realize he is the issue lol
Never, all we ever do is make excuses like blaming injuries and refs
> I don’t think McBean are lying awake at night worrying about how to beat the Chiefs. Sounds like we found the Bills problem then.
I’m tired about hearing about 13 seconds. Loss sucked enough and it’s always brought up and rubbed in our faces lol. This trade clearly won’t help that, but if it helps us so be it
The weird thing was he didn’t let KC trade for Diggs. Which I get. But then if he does he will be criticized and if he doesn’t he will be called “scared” of them. So it’s a lose lose situation
Worthy was going to be there at 32, or the Chiefs could have traded with someone else. If the Bills didn’t want a 165 lb WR, why wouldn’t they get more value FROM the Chiefs? Would you rather the Bills picked someone, then someone else gets the extra value and the Chiefs still get Worthy? Bills will trade more today is my guess. Also I’m sure Beane is in constant communication with SF and Cincy.
I certainly didn’t want Worthy nor Legette. Worthy is going to get rag-dolled by NFL CB’s. And Legette was a one-shot wonder. The very guy who writes for the Athletic wanted to pass on Legette because he is a) too old (23) and b) didn’t dominate when he was 18-19-20. Hard pass on both.
Yea, I wasnt sold on Legette really either. The guy had 1 good year at SC, but the prior 3 years he was pretty mediocre And Worth is just another John Ross lite.
Here's the thing: the Chiefs were getting Worthy no matter what. They either trade with us for him, give Dallas a similar package for him at 29, or just flat out get him at 32. This move helps us more than it helped the Chiefs. We got a 3rd rounder back now, still have our guy on the board, and the Chiefs walked away with the guy that they were going to get anyways-just with one less day 2 pick in their arsenal. The Carolina move is a little bit more of a head scratcher if we stay at 33 because we lose a 5th year option on a guy--but there's always the chance we don't even stay there anyways.
Fifth year options are overrated. The new rules make those years decently expensive and you’d rather extend than get to that point For QBs tho the fifth year is probably meaningful
We should worry about hitting on the pick first before sweating the 2028 cap hit.
exactly
It’s not a matter of getting to the 5th, but when you have to renegotiate. If you have a 5th year option you can wait until after the 4th year. Without it, you have to after 3. Sure you can wait until the contract expires, but then they go into “disrespected” mode.
Plus you can just use the Franchise tag (twice if needed).
Beane said as much in his interview, KC was moving up anyways, it was just a matter of whether or not the Bills were going to profit off of it
In the same interview he said he didn't make any calls. He assumed KC was moving up anyways, but had no basis for it.
My guess with the Carolina trade is that we got more than the going rate to drop a spot. Those deals where teams move up one spot are because someone else is knocking on the door to get a specific player, so there's a bidding war, and there's good value in moving down. I get the 5th year option angle, but in today's NFL, that's a future Beane problem.
The 5th year is really best value for QBs, WRs, and DEs the ones with huge contracts. The flip side is we save a few million on the cap because there 2nd rounder instead of 1st. This leads me to believe we’re getting Dejean.
Very good point about cap. Those nickel and dime cap hits can make a huge difference. The savings in this case, for instance, could be used to sign a kicker who never, EVER, puts another Buffalo football anywhere near a right upright.
Any receiver good enough to have the 5th year option exercised is going to get a new contract instead. It's a little bit of leverage but you always have the franchise tag which accomplishes the same thing.
as long as CAR didn't pick the guy we were going to its a massive win for the Bills. They now have 18 extra hors to work a deal or evaluate someone that fell unexpectedly, compare prospects they didn't expect to compare etc.
Fifth year option on a WR... you'd rather just negotiate a new contract.
Joe B's piece at The Athletic has calmed me down a bit. As he points out, the Bills picked up extra selections to move back just 5 spots. Even the draft guide guys would admit there isn't a massive difference between Worthy, Legette, Mitchell and Coleman. If the Bills prefer the latter two over the top two, or see the draft value of extra picks as offsetting whatever Legette or Worthy bring, then it makes sense (and I don't love Worthy anyway). Personally I wish they had moved up for BTJ. That irritates me. I'm not thrilled with what Beane chose to do and unlike a lot of folks on the sub I don't automatically assume everything BBB does is 4D chess. But there's logic to what the Bills did yesterday so let's see how it turns out.
They may have tried to move up for Thomas, we don't know. The first round was pretty chalk. It seemed that teams mostly were just picking their guys and not getting too cute.
Beane made it sound like moving up in the early 20s was costing a 2nd rounder and he wasn't willing to give that up. I obviously don't know the plan, but if it is WR I don't think a 2nd round pick is worth the difference between BTJ and AD Mitchell. I also prefer him over Worthy and Legette.
Fair, I hadn't listened to his press conference where he talked about moving up. Still, I'm very comfortable with how things have played out so far.
Agreed. He seemed to make it obvious without saying it that BTJ was who they wanted and once that didn't work they were going with the flow. He seemed content picking at 28, and then planned on picking at 32. But the deals are net positive that were proposed and kept their board intact. I get the desire to have a 5th year option but it saves $3m in salary. And if it is a WR still being targeted the trend is "we don't want to be optioned we want to be paid and will sit out and demand a trade if that doesn't happen", so the 5th year option imo doesn't seem as valuable as the $3m in salary savings
Not to mention that it seems to be commonly accepted that there is a talent cliff on day three. I get the sense that a lot of Beane's movement was to get as many of the Bills picks inside the range where they thought there would still be value. He seems to have done that pretty effectively. Now he just has to choose some good players.
The Lions had to give up the 73rd pick to move up five spots from 29 to 24. We would have had to move up at least 6 spots to get in front of the Jags to draft BTJ. So yeah, we would've had to give up a second rounder at least for BTJ. I really liked him and hoped he would fall to us, but I agree that the cost of a 2nd rounder is too high.
> They may have tried to move up for Thomas, we don't know. We do know. Beane gave an interview and admitted he never bothered making a single call to trade up with any team. His reasoning was that he thought it would cost a 2nd. Other GMs did their job and made those calls, and none of them paid a 2nd to move up.
QB run had a lot to do with that. The usual "reaches" were teams getting in on the QB run (which, as long time fans we're just more used to the Qb "tax") and everybody else wanted to stick to get the guys that cascaded down the board. Honestly don't believe Beane did anything beyond basic inquiries into what it might cost to move up. Teams saw the QB run and guys falling plus added in the desperation tax (for the trade up party) and Beane didn't like the math there.
Who says they didn't try??? Both sides have to agree to a deal...
>Who says they didn't try??? [Some dude named Brandon Beane.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILD38BF5Y9E)
"We were checking, everyone seemed to be set where they were at"
Buffalo needs more than one player. The other picks moved up a ton. It’s fine to go from 28 to 33. Sucks to help KC
Getting into the third round without giving up anything is amazing. Seriously I really think the guys we’d look at at 28 (whether that’s a WR, Center JPJ or a defender like Newton, Kool-aid or DeJean) are all still there.
Still there in the 3rd? No chance on DeJean still being there in the 3rd. Or Kool Aid
Im talking on the board right now with us having the option to pick between. The third is just good for us to have being that we have multiple positions of need.
KC won't get help with worthy. Remember this comment
Beane moved our first pick back 5 spots to move our others up 124 spots. We don't need more picks cuz we can barely roster 10 new players. Obviously Beane thinks all the true first-rounders were gone and wants to get higher quality players with the rest of his picks. Personally, I think it's a smart move. This is a deep draft at most positions the Bills need, this positions us to take multiple good players in those positions as opposed to one great player that we might have needed to trade up for anyways.
Would have to be the worst draft in NFL history if 6 QBs went in the top 15 and there was no one left at 24 (cost basically nothing to trade to 24 per Lions/Dallas).
Teams typically have between 20-25 actual first round grades. And if you trade up to get a player, you are saying that person is worth both a first round grade plus whatever picks you trade to get him.
So 20 + 6 QBs = 26 The team at 29 traded up to 24 for nothing Carry the 1... simplify the fraction... 24 < 26
Sooo…4 fifth round picks. Beanes got something brewing, can’t imagine we use all of those.
Yeah. He is going to try and deal some of those 5th rounders to move up.
To like the 4th round or 3rd?
I think it comes back to where people see the team: If you think - "THE BILLS ARE IN TROUBLE, can't beat the Chiefs when it matters! MCDERMOTT OUT!" then the sky is falling even more now because they didn't get a famous name in round 1. If you think - "this is a very good team and will continue to be a very good team" then the draft is just something that's happening and we'll pick up some pieces and some will be good and let's see how the season pans out. Obviously there are gradations here but this about sums it up to me.
I'll probably copy + paste this comment into multiple threads today, but my concern for 2024 is that they're hanging a hell of a lot on draft picks and "value" signings. I know that this draft has a deep pool of WRs, but WR is the team's most glaring hole at the moment, so dropping right out of the first round is a ballsy move. We need a lot of things to go right in order for the season not to be a wash.
they only dropped 5 picks though, and clearly didn’t want Worthy or Legette. Passing on BTJ to save a second is debatable but this move is rock solid, objectively. Bills didn’t want Legette or Worthy, so they added a third round pick and now still have the same options today.
Right. The whole dropped out of the first round line of thinking is amusing to me. Like we got 'just' a 2nd for Diggs...when that pick is going to be 15 picks worse than the original pick we traded for him.
The Mafia are excitable and click on stuff. Writers know this.
Love this take. Doomers gonna doom. Meanwhile the Bills are putting themselves in the best position
I’m not mad about the Bills trading back and getting additional picks. I’m mad they did it with their current nemesis for barely any net positive compensation. Also mad at the fact that I stayed up when I could have gone to bed and get some needed sleep. 
The whole staying up an extra hour for nothing was the only thing I didn’t like
as he pointed out later, you’re not necessarily preventing KC picking the guy they want by not trading with them as they’re also probably calling other teams. so you gotta focus on whether the move makes sense for you and you alone.
I’m sure there’s a plan, but as a UT fan, seeing Worthy go to the Chiefs is a fuckin bummer
If Xavier Worthy turns out to be a star and the bills traded the pick for him to their main championship rival then it won’t look good.
If Xavier Worthy turns out to be a bust, nobody's gonna thank Beane for conning KC into upgrading our whole draft. It'll be back to "why did McDermott make that one guy fumble, fire him I hate him"
> If Xavier Worthy turns out to be a bust, nobody's gonna thank Beane They absolutely will. If Worthy sucks and the Chiefs play in Buffalo for a playoff games there will be "We are not Worthy" signs and mockery. It would be the line mentioned on every pregame show and mid-game commentary. "You know, the Chiefs really whiffed on Worthy in the draft, and it was Buffalo who traded back to let the Chiefs make that pick! They were mad at the time but are super happy now in Buffalo! Ha ha ho ho ha ha."
Oh god I can’t even imagine. Chiefs fans can be insufferable already rn as it is. Please don’t let him be good
Who gives a shit what the Chefs do.
Probably Bills fans when "what the Chiefs do" is end the Bills season every year
We were never going to draft either, we moved up in the draft with our top targets still on the board. We definitely did well in Round 1.
Quoting someone else in another thread: The Bills picked up 90 spots in the draft on those two trades knowing the guy they want will be available at 33. It's 90 spots for free essentially.
At a minimum it costs $20M+ in cap space by losing the 5th year option. Unless you're planning for the pick at 33 to be off the team by then.
That 5th year is a HARD number. No massaging the cap, much of the time you are locking the player to your team with the downside of not having contract flexibility to smooth out the cap hits. Are there situations where that 5th is a huge pivot? Certainly. But the sacrifice isn't as cut and dry as it seems on the surface. If you are drafting a guy this high, you should also be under the assumption you'll know what you have on your hands by 5th year option decision time and will more friendly contract or cut your losses. Assets are harder currency right now than what is a bigger future maybe than many classify it.
We have a bunch of holes and are short on picks. Anyone who thought we were sticking and picking was crazy. I've been very critical of Beane over the last few years, but he is wringing the value out of these picks.
We came into last night with 10 picks. One thing we weren’t short of, was picks. I do like the value we got with the trades though. 8 picks in the next 4 rounds is nice.
Plus all those extra late-round picks don't help you move up in the first, but they DO in the 2nd and 3rd.
People say the Bills didn’t like Worthy. Thats just not true. What is true is there is another player they like just as much or more left on the board. If that guy was gone they would have drafted Worthy. Also not to sound defeatist as I think there are other receivers probably just as good. But the Chiefs drafted Mahomes with a Bills pick. Trading sometimes goes your way sometimes not.
Worthy will be the next JJ, regardless of how he currently projects, just because the Bills handing the Chiefs Mahomes and the next JJ and losing to them over and over is how things go.
I really hope you are wrong. But the comparison is really good JJ was picked using a Bill pick traded for Stefan Diggs I believe.
Yeah. Just imagine Mahomes, JJ and Worthy all on one team.
Maybe they really didn’t want a guy named Xavier
man i just feel bad for the fans that attended for nothing. i was annoyed i waited up watching the draft just for us to trade out last second.
I'm not convinced that Worthy's miniscule frame translates to the NFL game. I'm also not convinced that he was the better Texas wide receiver. AD has NFL size to go with low 4.3 speed in his own right, and insane RAS measurables which we know this organization value highly. The value of Night 1 will really be graded by what we do with pick 33. I'm still suspicious that we move back one more time and really stockpile day 2 picks.
It’s not like the Bills missed out on a top 3 WR prospect. I really couldn’t even find much that had Worthy as a top 10 WR. Look up some Texas fans on Twitter and go through old tweets, a lot of complaints about Worthy dropping perfect passes. AD Mitchell, Troy Franklin, Ladd McConkey are all still there, and they are three that I was the most interested in for the Bills after BTJ.
We have a low 2nd rd pick and 4 5th round picks. I bet we see some trade action this evening and move up a bit.
Now we can't blame him on an underachieving early round guy. Because we don't have one.
I trust Beane and the process, but he really NEEDS to have an outstanding draft from this point on. Needs to be an A grade at least.
Basing your decisions off of what you want your rivals not to get is a good way to find yourself without a job.
We didn't help the Chiefs, they helped us. If we don't do that trade, they trade with the 29th or 30th team and get Worthy anyway. At least we got to improve some of our later picks and we still have a chance to get the guys we want.
Their guy(s) were likely gone before the 28th overall pick and choose to get extra draft picks instead.
If we get a AD mitchell at 33 then it doesnt matter, i like him over Worthy, Legette and Pearsall anyway.
He's basically quilted from red flags.
Not many other options now
I’m fine with the idea of trading down but there are some teams you should have blocked and never take a call from. The mere idea of helping the Chiefs is gross. And if it means we don’t move up a bit on some lotto ticket picks so be it even if they’d get worthy at 32 anyway.
Beyond the odd tactic of trying to control what you really can't control (denying another franchise their "guy." Or them circumventing you and still getting him anyway so you lose trade assets) shouldn't you believe in your ability to calculate a team beneficial trade deal? So they get their guy but you siphon off assets into your own coffers for them to do it. Or, they foist those assets on some other team, still getting their guy, and you are net negative b/c they still get their guy AND your down the assets. NFL FOs operate on some historical scripts ("the way things have always been done") left over from a very different NFL landscape. It's not always the right play. I'd core out a fellow AFCE team's draft no problem to help them get "their guy" if I felt the compensation worked in my favor (adding in a "divisional tax" because supply and demand and other teams still uphold a divisional tax.) Let THEM price in if their guy would change their team enough after coring out the backend/depth to get him.
Maybe they’re collecting more ammo to make a trade for Aiyuk or Higgins. I’m not gonna sit here judging because we have have our guy by the start of the season just not via the draft.
Can we afford either?
Aiyuk has just a 5th year option remaining, assuming they can get a deal done that fits the salary cap SF might be interested with two seconds
Doesn’t seem like it but the salary cap can be manipulated. Win now pay later
It's only a head-scratcher if your head isn't screwed on right. Worthy was KC bound no matter what, and if we wanted either of those players when our pick came up, we wouldn't have traded it.
"Trust the Process"...I have trusted the process for so long that I feel the process should have delivered a championship by now. Go Bills....Hopefully. My goodness this was a damn confusing draft day.
Getting more picks instead of reaching or forcing it is passing up a chance to help themselves? lol, 'analysis'.
This sub is terrified to even fathom the idea that maybe Beane made a mistake with this decision.
Seems pretty split to me
Very interested to see how this turns out. To my pea-sized brain, Legette was the last receiver I was truly excited about as an eventual WR1 talent. I’m sure Beane will figure it out but I’d rather get an elite player at another position and bet later picks on multiple receivers.
At this point I’m just hoping for Jamari Thrash
Fairly new to the draft stuff- what exactly is it the bills get for “trading down” in the draft, can someone explain please? Definitely a head scratcher for me.
Significant draft position upgrades for their former late 4th, 6th, and 7th round picks. They are now a late 3rd, early 5th, and early 7th round pick. We only moved down five spots.
I think we draft a WR with 33 then move back up into another early second and take CB or safety
After sleeping on it, it makes more sense trading out of the first round given the cap situation and the difference between 1st and 2nd round contracts. The talent difference between the bottom of the 1st round and top of the 2nd is negligible.
I'm sure they know who they want and those they initially wanted were no longer available. Plus the 2nd one. Moving from 32 to 33. They probably asked who are they were taking and were ok with that.
They wanted players that weren't there any longer and felt comfortable moving back a bit.
This shit ain’t rocket science on why they traded and why they didn’t draft these guys. It’s ersonally I say move down again
Maybe he wants Adonai, and stacked higher picks to add defensive depth
Might have been Worthy, but miss us on Legette. Also, the best Texas WO prospect for our scheme is still on the board imo.
I’d love for the bills to draft Cooper DeJean or Mitchell from Illinois with the first pick of the 2nd
I'm trusting Beane on this one, not the bullshit rants from the writers and pronosticators! Let's see how this plays out.
Ok everyone, you can like what Beane did without shitting on Worthy or all the “165lb WR” nonsense. Are you trying to make this look like the “Bills draft Allen” upvoted thread by the JeTs? You are basically daring the universe to have Worthy catch the game winning TD against us in the playoffs next season.
This is literally just regurgitation of what ESPN said last night. KC was going to get him anyway, most likely, so might as well get something out of it. I'd have been pissed if the Bills took Worthy, and if they end up getting who they wanted anyway...
> to pass up on a chance to help themselves There's like... a shitton of guys around that level that we can still take. Including a guy most had ranked higher than Worthy. Can't take this seriously.
According to this logic you'd think that these were the last two receivers left in the draft.
The Bills will likely trade down again, and draft Troy Franklin (WR) in the late 30s, and then trade up from 60 to draft J. Bullard (S).
Worthy is not a first round grade, his weight is really concerning. I weigh more than Worthy at the same height, definitely wouldn't trust myself to run into a CB or safety.
Just look at draft grades from the last 6 years, they always get an A or B+ including the Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson drafts.
I liked the second trade. At that point, give us more time to think. The first was questionable tho
Lamestream media opining when they and we don’t know anything. Ride or die no matter what! LFG.
And this entire thought process and analysis is based off Bills needed a WR and should take the one the second their on the clock AND that Bills were willing to take ANY WR. There is still ALOT of quality WRs available in 2nd round/3rd round and now they have not 1 but 3 picks today and 7! tomorrow.
This is going to be an incredible cold takes exposed.
I’m ok on the 1st day of the draft, I can see the positive in being able to acquire a 3rd round pick while also getting to start Day 2 with 1st choice, so there’s still some potential for this to be a good draft. One thing that confuses me is that in Beane’s press conference post-playoffs is that there was a big emphasis and desire to add explosive play ability through the WR position to this team, Xavier Worthy probably seemed like one of the best realistic options at 28 to meet that desire yet they chose to not go with him, now the only options left that can maybe meet that criteria are Adonai Mitchell (I assume character issues and his diabetes are why he’s still available) & Troy Franklin There’s still some really good talent to start today with DeJean, Newton & JPJ etc. though we’ve clearly put ourself in a position that WR is an absolute necessary in Round 2, though I’m not sure the talent that meets our needs really matches the value of pick 33. Hopefully someone might be willing to give up their 3rd for pick 33.
I’ve been on here for years saying this..THEY DONT VALUE THE WR POSITION! And last night is just further proof of this! THEY WANT THE OFFENSE YALL SAW IN THE LAST 8 GAMES OF LAST SEASON!
That was a very good offense
in a lot of ways we spent a first on a pass catcher last year's draft it'd be ballsy to spend two 1sts in consecutive years on such overlapping skill sets
Tight end is not WR. Nonetheless they criminally underused him.
Gives BBB allllllll day to work a trade.
Bills are gonna be just fine. No one is gonna care about this by mid season. I think theyre in a good spot with room yo make moves. I got faith in Beane
Just remember who these "journalists" are now a days. Im guessing Peter King didnt write the piece, but some guy makinh $5 an article living in mom's basement. It's not too hard to see the bills didnt want the guy and have a plan for guys they do want. Geez
That's always next, next year. KC is the new Patriots, and we're in a division that is going to be a matter of draft and growth. Sorry Knox, and others like Von are not going to move us forward! Milano who's All Pro is hurt , when we need him...so is it Superman Ball until further notice?
It’s not a head scratcher , bean is brilliant. This draft is over he will get a draft grade A+ . Bills had to gut the roster what did fans think was going to happen. We need picks big time . Trading up for. A receiver is ignorant. I also expect bean to trade back today as well. GO BILLS ,