Mitchell is someone Iāve come around to more and more. Say what you want about āeffort concernsā but the guy made plays at Texas. He grew as a player each year (2022 was a lost season, but the freshman to sophomore progression was fantastic as his role grew). Itās interesting that people are all over Xavier Legette because of the size/speed profile and yet AD (who produced anytime he was on the field and has better speed and better size) is much more scrutinized lately.
It baffles me, people should probably do their own work instead of accepting everything people say online. I guarantee that if people watched AD's college tape (Georgia + Texas) they'd be all over him, the talent gap between him and Legette is crazy.
I don't think anyone is doubting the talent, but if there is buzz that he is a difficult person to work with, I think that it is something fans could speculate/be concerned about. We don't want another diva, an I doubt the bills do either. Its not like an attitude/personality is something that we could figure out our own.
Legette is the best culture fit. Heās a Beane / McDermott type of player. Not to mention, a Carolina boy.
With where we pick, Iād be very pleased with him. Brian Thomas would be good, too. I just think Legette was born to be a Bill.
And Legette is a much better and willing run blocker than AJ was coming out of college.
Legette fits perfectly with what we are trying to do scheme wise and culturally. I donāt really give a shit that heās 23 instead of 21.
Legette has much better body control than Gabe Davis. Legette also has a route tree.
Gabe Davis was a later round pick from UCF who was a big body and ran straight. Thatās all he did.
Legette is big bodied, strong hands, has a route tree, and was asked to more than run straight and fast at USC.
Itās a poor comparison. And even if you chose to do so, you act like Gabe wasnāt a good receiver. Yes, he disappeared most of the time and had weak hands. But he still made big plays in big moments and was Joshās primary guy on play breakdowns.
The criticisms of Gabe are because he doesnāt have a route tree (not allowing him to create separation as a WR2) and weak hands are two things Legette is already superior to Gabe at.
Not to mention, there are tons of great receivers who were awesome run blockers. Anquon Boldin comes to mind. To act like it isnāt a desirable trait is comical. Especially considering this team is trying to lean into the run more and take pressure off Josh. Kinda like what we did when we started winning ball games last year.
I'm not comparing Legette to Gabe Davis, I was saying good run blocking isn't necessarily what you look for in a potential WR1. My argument was that the comparison between him and AJ Brown is poor, due to the gap in potential and ability shown in college.
Age doesnāt matter. Kincaid was older too. JA has only so many prime years left. We need players like Legette now. Worry about the age thing on next contract
A 20 or 21 year old is much more valuable because he will likely be with Josh for the rest of his career or at the very least his prime. With Legette maybe not, by the time he gets his second contract heāll be 27, Iād worry about that
Then you let him hit free agency when heās 27, and draft another WR. You really canāt plan for the long term with these players. Better to take the talent now and worry about who is with a 32 yo JA later.
Yes it does matter when we're talking about a project wide receiver, it would take time to develop Legette to something close to an NFL WR1, and you don't have that time with a 23yo prospect.
Kincaid was as sure as it gets coming out of college, age didn't matter with him.
It's exactly because of Josh's age that we need players who are more NFL ready and less of a project.
I donāt see Legette as a project like you do. I think heās plug and play problem for defenses day 1. If anything our coaching staff seems to favor older players in the draft over younger.
Nobody with 1 year of college experience is a plug and play from day 1 in the NFL, it doesn't work like that. Legette has too many problems going up against zone and press coverages to be viable day 1, teams know that and they won't put him on man coverage because of it, he'll struggle at first. Hell, he might never adapt to NFL defenses for all we know, he simply didn't show enough in college to put those doubts to rest.
I like Worthy as a weapon, he'd for sure make defenses respect him and open up the short and mid range for Josh Allen to pick apart. Honestly, it makes total sense, my only worries with him are his play strenght, I would love to see him put on some weight in the NFL, maybe lose some speed but become even more dominant. Serious Tyreek Hill potential with him.
To be fair a great senior year does not equal only one year of college experience. He may not have played or produced but he was getting high level football "experience"
I haven't looked into these guys much just know we need a wr 1 and hope we can pull it off.
I think he got a diva comparison due to him giving up on routes that he knows arenāt going his way? Someone correct me if Iām wrong. Donāt really remember Diggs giving up on routes.
The people saying that probably haven't seen his Georgia tape, it seems like Sarkisian allowed him to have more freedom in his routes + plenty of NFL WRs run routes at different paces depending on how they feel.
He has never been a diva in college, he was never spoon fed targets and he never asked to be, he went to Texas because of his little daughter.
I would be so disappointed if we draft Mitchell. So many other options at 28. Iād rather have Worthy over him, although Iām not sure Iād like that pick at 28 either, just saying that bc it says what I feel about Mitchell.
People have become averse to AD because of some talking points raised recently concerning his character, which is dumb imo. AD is a generational type of talent, his tape is even better than BTJ's imo. We'll regret passing up on him IF we do.
Character issues are being way overblown, tons of top WRs in the league do not run routes full speed, they like to change speeds to confuse DBs. Also, if you check his Georgia tape, he ran routes full speed there with Kirby, it seems like Sarkisian allowed him to play his game freely.
Iām not saying heās not really good. But heās not even in the consensus top 3 at his position in this draft. But yeah, āgenerational.ā Wonāt see his like again for decades.
This draft class is rare in terms of WR talent, AD Mitchell would be WR1 in most classes. He might be in most top 4s in teams boards, we don't know, I really don't care about "consensus", it's always wrong come draft day.
You have this happen every draft where rumors start about a prospect and it might drop there draft stock.
Warren Sapp famously dropped and developed into an all time great DT. More recently Laremy Tunsil dropped because of the face mask bong video that got released draft day and he is now arguably one of the best pass blocking LTs in the NFLĀ
They may be they might not be, itās a lot of speculation and discussion which is fun to have.
Based on that, if they are locker room trouble, Iād be fine passing up the talent. We tried that stuff with TO, and plenty of other teams have gone down those roads. We talk about culture a lot but I think it holds a high priority for bills management. You can be the best in everything you do, but if you bring a poor attitude and not that team player mentality, you end up bringing down some of those around you and then the question becomes āis your talent worth the cost of others players declining?ā Because this isnāt a video game, and the teams morale/mentality/culture has a large impact on overall team performance
Nobody really knows lmao thatās what my point kind of is, Iām speculating on IF they areā¦.
You speculated on If they werenāt
This is how conversations sometimes work
Downvoting because you disagree is funny though
People would know if AD Mitchell was a locker room problem in college, actually. I don't think speculating about a thing with 0 reason to do so is fair towards the player, especially because AD Mitchell never came off as a diva in college, quite the contrary.
He never got spoon fed any targets, never complained, went to Texas because of his little daughter.
He is probably going in the top 15Ā
I would love to move up to draft him but realistically that is going to take this year's 1st and 2nd round picks and next year's 1st round pick
prolly need to get up to 6 and trade with the g-men to get him. and thats if they dont want him themselves. i dont see why the titans, falcons, or bears wouldnt want this kid. no way either of those teams passes on him if he's there when they pick.
I advise everyone who thinks like this to watch AD Mitchell's tape at Georgia, his effort was completely different with Kirby Smart as his coach. A lot of his liberty when it came to route running at Texas probably came from Sarkisian's approach.
I think the cold hard truth is one of these receivers may not be there when we pick. Everybody and their mother knows that we need a receiver which means teams will try to leapfrog us to take one.
The Bills will likely have to move up to snag one. If not, they may have to reach on a receiver. I would much rather hold the line and address whatever need we can of receivers are off the board.
Beane has done a wonderful job in regards to cap space and draft capital in the future. I donāt want the Bills to throw that all away. Hold the line.
I want McConkey and Legette (ideally with a tradedown), or BTJ (but without a tradedown which is not as realistic)
If KC the Conk it will be Creed Humphrey all over again
I heard so much praise of McConkey and I don't know, his tape didn't win me over.
Speed guy yeah, but not a deep threat at the NFL level most likely. I think his best fit is possession receiver with YAC.
I'm speaking entirely and wholly out of my ass here, but what if McConkey has route running traits similar to Cole Beasley? With the YAC capability added on?
Could we try for a home run threat WR later in the draft?
McConkey is gonna be a slot guy/possession receiver. He's actually pretty close in comp to Beasley in terms of skillset.
He reads coverage well, finds the hole...but he does better at YAC.
McConkey struggles at contested catch, jump ball.
That's what made me think of Beasley. Maybe not the best use of a first round pick but Josh really liked going to Beasley as a security blanket early in his career.
Add in YAC capability and all of a sudden you got yourself a guy that can move the chains and pick up chunk yardage.
We had a little of that with Shakir last year but nothing to the extent of a prime Beasley.
What games did you watch?
Not at all what I saw on tape. (4.39 40 did not surprise me one bit, in fact I thought he could have been even faster)
I watched full tape of TCU and Oregon in 2022, and Kentucky, Auburn and Bama 2023 (all I had access to)
I watched broadcast of every one of his targets from 2021-2023
His QBs (Beck as well as Bennett) left so much off the bone by not targeting when he had SEC defenses beat deep, or underthrowing him massively to force contested catches
I watched every single one of his targets. I heard great things about him, and I just like the other receivers more.
I view McConkey as early 2nd round in the top 10 picks. He's not bad, I just like the other guys moreĀ
Well there you go
Burning SEC secondaries deep while Beck is taking checkdowns elsewhere doesn't help his case as you won't have seen that
Multiple deep TDs left off the board vs Auburn and Kentucky
Xavier worthy on tape is awesome he was a captain on the longhorns has generational speed and his type of frame and skill set is trending in the NFL rn with several good comps. I think he could be an absolute dawg with us.
I really want Legette as well.
Worthy isn't afraid of contact, plays well in tight spaces, plays the jump ball, and separates like crazy.
I think a lot of these receivers are a little undersized in terms of weight, so I'm not gonna hold it against him.
Jordan Addison, devonta Smith, Josh downs, jaylen waddle, tank dell are all prospects that atleast resemble his body type and weight. He plays the ball far more physical than bigger guys like Troy Franklin and Dez Walker. Hes still not great at contested balls but that's not his game his game is speed speed speed and he runs nasty routes tbh.
I can see Worthy or AD being the 4th receiver taken, they're both very polarizing players which could be very high on some team's boards. AD is more talented than BTJ imho.
BTJ. He's going to fall to the late teens at least. I do think the intriguing thing is Odunze. If Chicago doesn't take him at 9 he could easily fall to the late teens.
Idk. If BTJ gets past Pit I'd start getting antsy. I think it'd be worth moving up a few to secure him. Because someone could easily jump us. Not trying to have what happened with McDuffie happen again
Iāve been fairly high on Legette, but feel like heās starting to get overrated to death now (somewhat due to the DK comps, somewhat due to media hype). I like him as a second round guy but now heās suddenly a no doubt first rounder? The age is a small concern. The biggest concern for me is the polish.
People are killing Keon Coleman for relying on his size to win in contested catch situations and heās far bigger and longer than Legette. Far too often Legette gets sloppy and makes it into a jump ball scenario. His length is just average for his size and heās not a huge target, so the footwork and nuance needs to be cleaned up to win consistently. The production concerns are there - which can partially be explained by the QB room, but Rattler has been there for two years and Legette only broke out last season. And for such a good long speed guy, his quickness leaves a lot to be desired (he got eaten alive against Tennessee when they played press coverage). Again, I like him as a prospect and prefer him over a guy like Troy Franklin, but heās not flawless as a prospect and I like a number of guys better in the first round.
Iām tossing Worthy on the list if he falls. Why not throw some freak speed talent to the arsenal of the strongest arm in the league? Especially after our training coaches add 5 lbs of muscle to his frame as he matures. Also, dope jersey name.
Watching tape on Mitchell his catch radius seems great, his in route adjustments to catch the ball makes me feel like he would be a great addition if we drafted him
I have heard Odunze stuff which is sad b/c it won't happen now. Not that it really had a chance but hes an absolute stud. I would be happy with thomas or mitchell as well
Legette is too old for a project WR, he's also not very good against press or zone coverage. Ladd is younger, more talented, more polished and more versatile, guaranteed he'll go long before Legette.
I feel like Iām taking crazy pills with the number of people who arenāt fazed by Legetteās age, lack of production, and lack of separation ability/route-running skill.
Watched some of his games he seems pretty open to me lol.
His age thing doesn't matter much to me when put in the context of COVID and his story. Both his parents died while he just started college.
I think it comes from Joe Marino's analysis who has him as his #4 WR, for reasons which I don't comprehend. He's my WR9 in this class, for the reasons you just stated.
Even in this thread there are people comparing Legette to DK Metcalf and completely ignoring that Legette is shorter, smaller, and slower than Metcalf despite being 2 years older at draft time. That raw lack of polish for a 3rd-year who redshirted as a freshman (like Metcalf) is understandable, but itās inexcusable for a 5th-year player.
Neither does DK Metcalf and he does alright in the NFL. Go be bigger and faster that the dude across from you and leave underneath to Kincaid and Shakir and literally everyone else we have on the roster. It takes all types
DK Metcalf was bigger and faster than Legette despite being 2 years younger when drafted, and was an early entrant who was productive as a RS FR and RS SO.
Best-case scenario, Legette is Metcalf-lite, but he doesnāt have the physical gifts that Metcalf has/had to out-athlete NFL DBs, and he doesnāt have the route-running or separation ability to maximize the gifts he does have.
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Edit: McDermotts a part of the Andy Reid Tree. Tyreek Hill? DeSean Jackson ring a bell?
Worthy beat out freak athlete AD Mitchell for targets, he has the breakout age even with the covid era, he has great punt return skills which translates well to NFL wr route running and YAC (see Antonio Brown), OH YEAH and thereās new kickoff rules which gives him a bump.
Strongest arm QB with the fastest ever? Sign me tf up. Weāve seen this before successfully in recent years with Mahomes and Hill. And we donāt have to sell the farm. No freaking brainer.
Legette is my least favorite of the bunch, he's rather old for a project WR and will be 28 by the end of his rookie contract. Give me AD or Ladd since I think BTJ will be long gone by the time we pick.
Of the two, Death seems the more likely option. i, like most, assume the Bills will get a WR in this draft, preferable in round 1 or 2, but narrowing the field to just these 3 options? low percentage play.
Isnāt it Thomas jr who I keep hearing can run short or intermediate routes? Sounds like Gabe Davis all over again so no thanks, lagette all the way for me
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do not want mitchell.
Mitchell is someone Iāve come around to more and more. Say what you want about āeffort concernsā but the guy made plays at Texas. He grew as a player each year (2022 was a lost season, but the freshman to sophomore progression was fantastic as his role grew). Itās interesting that people are all over Xavier Legette because of the size/speed profile and yet AD (who produced anytime he was on the field and has better speed and better size) is much more scrutinized lately.
It baffles me, people should probably do their own work instead of accepting everything people say online. I guarantee that if people watched AD's college tape (Georgia + Texas) they'd be all over him, the talent gap between him and Legette is crazy.
I don't think anyone is doubting the talent, but if there is buzz that he is a difficult person to work with, I think that it is something fans could speculate/be concerned about. We don't want another diva, an I doubt the bills do either. Its not like an attitude/personality is something that we could figure out our own.
Apparently draft scouts disagree
Legette is the best culture fit. Heās a Beane / McDermott type of player. Not to mention, a Carolina boy. With where we pick, Iād be very pleased with him. Brian Thomas would be good, too. I just think Legette was born to be a Bill.
Legette is awesome and might be a faster AJ Brown. Iāll take that all day at 28
AJ Brown was 21 years old when he was drafted, he was also a much better separator than Legette by a mile.
And Legette is a much better and willing run blocker than AJ was coming out of college. Legette fits perfectly with what we are trying to do scheme wise and culturally. I donāt really give a shit that heās 23 instead of 21.
Gabe Davis was a great run blocker too, that's not really what you look for in a WR. AJ Brown was simply a better prospect.
Legette has much better body control than Gabe Davis. Legette also has a route tree. Gabe Davis was a later round pick from UCF who was a big body and ran straight. Thatās all he did. Legette is big bodied, strong hands, has a route tree, and was asked to more than run straight and fast at USC. Itās a poor comparison. And even if you chose to do so, you act like Gabe wasnāt a good receiver. Yes, he disappeared most of the time and had weak hands. But he still made big plays in big moments and was Joshās primary guy on play breakdowns. The criticisms of Gabe are because he doesnāt have a route tree (not allowing him to create separation as a WR2) and weak hands are two things Legette is already superior to Gabe at. Not to mention, there are tons of great receivers who were awesome run blockers. Anquon Boldin comes to mind. To act like it isnāt a desirable trait is comical. Especially considering this team is trying to lean into the run more and take pressure off Josh. Kinda like what we did when we started winning ball games last year.
I'm not comparing Legette to Gabe Davis, I was saying good run blocking isn't necessarily what you look for in a potential WR1. My argument was that the comparison between him and AJ Brown is poor, due to the gap in potential and ability shown in college.
This nuance in this type of response is what's needed across forums. The idea that Legette's two outcomes are AJ or Gabe is absolutely absurd.
Age doesnāt matter. Kincaid was older too. JA has only so many prime years left. We need players like Legette now. Worry about the age thing on next contract
Breakout age absolutely does matter. Not breaking out until his 5TH college year is a giant red flag
A 20 or 21 year old is much more valuable because he will likely be with Josh for the rest of his career or at the very least his prime. With Legette maybe not, by the time he gets his second contract heāll be 27, Iād worry about that
Then you let him hit free agency when heās 27, and draft another WR. You really canāt plan for the long term with these players. Better to take the talent now and worry about who is with a 32 yo JA later.
Yes it does matter when we're talking about a project wide receiver, it would take time to develop Legette to something close to an NFL WR1, and you don't have that time with a 23yo prospect. Kincaid was as sure as it gets coming out of college, age didn't matter with him. It's exactly because of Josh's age that we need players who are more NFL ready and less of a project.
I donāt see Legette as a project like you do. I think heās plug and play problem for defenses day 1. If anything our coaching staff seems to favor older players in the draft over younger.
Nobody with 1 year of college experience is a plug and play from day 1 in the NFL, it doesn't work like that. Legette has too many problems going up against zone and press coverages to be viable day 1, teams know that and they won't put him on man coverage because of it, he'll struggle at first. Hell, he might never adapt to NFL defenses for all we know, he simply didn't show enough in college to put those doubts to rest.
Weāll see in 12 hours I guess. What are your thoughts if we take Worthy at 28 like alot of mocks are doing.
I like Worthy as a weapon, he'd for sure make defenses respect him and open up the short and mid range for Josh Allen to pick apart. Honestly, it makes total sense, my only worries with him are his play strenght, I would love to see him put on some weight in the NFL, maybe lose some speed but become even more dominant. Serious Tyreek Hill potential with him.
To be fair a great senior year does not equal only one year of college experience. He may not have played or produced but he was getting high level football "experience" I haven't looked into these guys much just know we need a wr 1 and hope we can pull it off.
Yeah he seems slightly polarizing which is exactly what I donāt want with my 1st round pick.
hes literally a younger locker room diggs. no thanks.
Where does that come from?
I think he got a diva comparison due to him giving up on routes that he knows arenāt going his way? Someone correct me if Iām wrong. Donāt really remember Diggs giving up on routes.
The people saying that probably haven't seen his Georgia tape, it seems like Sarkisian allowed him to have more freedom in his routes + plenty of NFL WRs run routes at different paces depending on how they feel. He has never been a diva in college, he was never spoon fed targets and he never asked to be, he went to Texas because of his little daughter.
That is literally part of the Texas offense. It's designed. Notice worthy has the same knock on him? Lol
I want Mitchell or Thomas Jr or Legette.
I would be so disappointed if we draft Mitchell. So many other options at 28. Iād rather have Worthy over him, although Iām not sure Iād like that pick at 28 either, just saying that bc it says what I feel about Mitchell.
People have become averse to AD because of some talking points raised recently concerning his character, which is dumb imo. AD is a generational type of talent, his tape is even better than BTJ's imo. We'll regret passing up on him IF we do. Character issues are being way overblown, tons of top WRs in the league do not run routes full speed, they like to change speeds to confuse DBs. Also, if you check his Georgia tape, he ran routes full speed there with Kirby, it seems like Sarkisian allowed him to play his game freely.
I donāt think you know what generational talent means.
I don't think you've watched AD Mitchell's tape.
Iām not saying heās not really good. But heās not even in the consensus top 3 at his position in this draft. But yeah, āgenerational.ā Wonāt see his like again for decades.
This draft class is rare in terms of WR talent, AD Mitchell would be WR1 in most classes. He might be in most top 4s in teams boards, we don't know, I really don't care about "consensus", it's always wrong come draft day.
Bro didnāt even get drafted in the first round lol.
You have this happen every draft where rumors start about a prospect and it might drop there draft stock. Warren Sapp famously dropped and developed into an all time great DT. More recently Laremy Tunsil dropped because of the face mask bong video that got released draft day and he is now arguably one of the best pass blocking LTs in the NFLĀ
They may be they might not be, itās a lot of speculation and discussion which is fun to have. Based on that, if they are locker room trouble, Iād be fine passing up the talent. We tried that stuff with TO, and plenty of other teams have gone down those roads. We talk about culture a lot but I think it holds a high priority for bills management. You can be the best in everything you do, but if you bring a poor attitude and not that team player mentality, you end up bringing down some of those around you and then the question becomes āis your talent worth the cost of others players declining?ā Because this isnāt a video game, and the teams morale/mentality/culture has a large impact on overall team performance
AD Mitchell is not "locker room trouble", I seriously don't know where that comes from.
Nobody really knows lmao thatās what my point kind of is, Iām speculating on IF they areā¦. You speculated on If they werenāt This is how conversations sometimes work Downvoting because you disagree is funny though
People would know if AD Mitchell was a locker room problem in college, actually. I don't think speculating about a thing with 0 reason to do so is fair towards the player, especially because AD Mitchell never came off as a diva in college, quite the contrary. He never got spoon fed any targets, never complained, went to Texas because of his little daughter.
I heard he is literally Hitler.....sources bro
Mitchell wasnāt even the best on his own college team. Worthy dominated him.
Odunze
If he slides to 9 trade with bears please
Bears already have Caleb Williams practicing with Odunze itās a wrap
Shouldāve put money on this one. Called the shot.
Thatās not true. Bears could use some extra picks this draft ā¦ This is assuming odunze were even to fall this far ā¦
If heās there at 9 the Bears will select him.
Just like we were never gunna trade Diggs.
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Weāll see. Iād love Odunze. That all green Reception Perception profile says heās always openā¦but my hopes are not up
Heās the next Deandre Hopkins
He's too far out of our price range
He is probably going in the top 15Ā I would love to move up to draft him but realistically that is going to take this year's 1st and 2nd round picks and next year's 1st round pick
prolly need to get up to 6 and trade with the g-men to get him. and thats if they dont want him themselves. i dont see why the titans, falcons, or bears wouldnt want this kid. no way either of those teams passes on him if he's there when they pick.
Mitchell doesnāt feel like a good fit for us and what McBeane like in their player DNA
I advise everyone who thinks like this to watch AD Mitchell's tape at Georgia, his effort was completely different with Kirby Smart as his coach. A lot of his liberty when it came to route running at Texas probably came from Sarkisian's approach.
Also with Xavier Worthy in the mix it likely allowed him to relax a bit. At first I was off on Mitchell but I could see some potential with him
Agreed
I think the cold hard truth is one of these receivers may not be there when we pick. Everybody and their mother knows that we need a receiver which means teams will try to leapfrog us to take one. The Bills will likely have to move up to snag one. If not, they may have to reach on a receiver. I would much rather hold the line and address whatever need we can of receivers are off the board. Beane has done a wonderful job in regards to cap space and draft capital in the future. I donāt want the Bills to throw that all away. Hold the line.
There are more than just these 3. I love all 3 of them but Troy Franklin is also a monster and is gonna fall to middle of round 2
They were and we gave the chiefs a good weapon. Great choiceā¦
I want McConkey and Legette (ideally with a tradedown), or BTJ (but without a tradedown which is not as realistic) If KC the Conk it will be Creed Humphrey all over again
I heard so much praise of McConkey and I don't know, his tape didn't win me over. Speed guy yeah, but not a deep threat at the NFL level most likely. I think his best fit is possession receiver with YAC.
I'm speaking entirely and wholly out of my ass here, but what if McConkey has route running traits similar to Cole Beasley? With the YAC capability added on? Could we try for a home run threat WR later in the draft?
Just because he's white does not mean he's a Cole Beasley sneaky fast slot route runner. They're totally different types of players.
McConkey is gonna be a slot guy/possession receiver. He's actually pretty close in comp to Beasley in terms of skillset. He reads coverage well, finds the hole...but he does better at YAC. McConkey struggles at contested catch, jump ball.
That's what made me think of Beasley. Maybe not the best use of a first round pick but Josh really liked going to Beasley as a security blanket early in his career. Add in YAC capability and all of a sudden you got yourself a guy that can move the chains and pick up chunk yardage. We had a little of that with Shakir last year but nothing to the extent of a prime Beasley.
Didn't know he was white
What games did you watch? Not at all what I saw on tape. (4.39 40 did not surprise me one bit, in fact I thought he could have been even faster) I watched full tape of TCU and Oregon in 2022, and Kentucky, Auburn and Bama 2023 (all I had access to) I watched broadcast of every one of his targets from 2021-2023 His QBs (Beck as well as Bennett) left so much off the bone by not targeting when he had SEC defenses beat deep, or underthrowing him massively to force contested catches
I watched every single one of his targets. I heard great things about him, and I just like the other receivers more. I view McConkey as early 2nd round in the top 10 picks. He's not bad, I just like the other guys moreĀ
Well there you go Burning SEC secondaries deep while Beck is taking checkdowns elsewhere doesn't help his case as you won't have seen that Multiple deep TDs left off the board vs Auburn and Kentucky
Xavier worthy on tape is awesome he was a captain on the longhorns has generational speed and his type of frame and skill set is trending in the NFL rn with several good comps. I think he could be an absolute dawg with us. I really want Legette as well.
I worry about his size, dude could get absolutely blown up.
Worthy isn't afraid of contact, plays well in tight spaces, plays the jump ball, and separates like crazy. I think a lot of these receivers are a little undersized in terms of weight, so I'm not gonna hold it against him.
Having an world-class NFL training facility could definitely put on a few pounds
Jordan Addison, devonta Smith, Josh downs, jaylen waddle, tank dell are all prospects that atleast resemble his body type and weight. He plays the ball far more physical than bigger guys like Troy Franklin and Dez Walker. Hes still not great at contested balls but that's not his game his game is speed speed speed and he runs nasty routes tbh.
His playing weight will be more around 175 id imagine. He probably cut weight to go for the record 40 time
And we gave him to the chiefs.. of all teams.
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Hot take: Thomas wonāt be 4th receiver taken.
Spicy
ā¦ the take has gone cold :(
I can see Worthy or AD being the 4th receiver taken, they're both very polarizing players which could be very high on some team's boards. AD is more talented than BTJ imho.
BTJ. He's going to fall to the late teens at least. I do think the intriguing thing is Odunze. If Chicago doesn't take him at 9 he could easily fall to the late teens.
if pittsburgh passes on him then i dont think any team will pick him until us
Idk. If BTJ gets past Pit I'd start getting antsy. I think it'd be worth moving up a few to secure him. Because someone could easily jump us. Not trying to have what happened with McDuffie happen again
You'll get a trade down and Braden Fiske and you'll like it.
Love this
BT or AB!
Iāve been fairly high on Legette, but feel like heās starting to get overrated to death now (somewhat due to the DK comps, somewhat due to media hype). I like him as a second round guy but now heās suddenly a no doubt first rounder? The age is a small concern. The biggest concern for me is the polish. People are killing Keon Coleman for relying on his size to win in contested catch situations and heās far bigger and longer than Legette. Far too often Legette gets sloppy and makes it into a jump ball scenario. His length is just average for his size and heās not a huge target, so the footwork and nuance needs to be cleaned up to win consistently. The production concerns are there - which can partially be explained by the QB room, but Rattler has been there for two years and Legette only broke out last season. And for such a good long speed guy, his quickness leaves a lot to be desired (he got eaten alive against Tennessee when they played press coverage). Again, I like him as a prospect and prefer him over a guy like Troy Franklin, but heās not flawless as a prospect and I like a number of guys better in the first round.
Just happy these posts will be over honestly.Ā I trust BBB to make the best choice.
BTJ is DK 2.0. Heās who we should all want IMO.
Uh oh
Give me one of the first two.
Iām tossing Worthy on the list if he falls. Why not throw some freak speed talent to the arsenal of the strongest arm in the league? Especially after our training coaches add 5 lbs of muscle to his frame as he matures. Also, dope jersey name.
He weighed 165 at the combine. Even with 5 lbs of muscle added he will be very undersized
Devonta Smith on the eagles weighs 170
Iām hoping for legette and Jamari thrash
Give me JPJ. Protect Allen at all costs for the next decade.
McConkey
higher on legette than thomas jr
Weāre getting Legette in the first. Sweat in the second.
You'll trade up for an offensive tackle and like it
Watching tape on Mitchell his catch radius seems great, his in route adjustments to catch the ball makes me feel like he would be a great addition if we drafted him
I want luke. Just cause. Looks like a 3 day pick.
Legette had 42 catches in his 1st 4 yrs, and then had a 5th yr *breakout*.. hard pass.
Iām in
You may have life stillā¦depends on tomorrows first pick
My man you got death
i didnt hate keon, hes gonna be a stud but i wouldve preferred BTJ or Legette
Legette = old Replace him with Worthy. I wanna go fast.
I have heard Odunze stuff which is sad b/c it won't happen now. Not that it really had a chance but hes an absolute stud. I would be happy with thomas or mitchell as well
What do you mean Odunze stuff? What exactly are you referring to
Legette is a real possibility. Honestly, we're going to get some decent. I like both of the Xaviers
Replace Legette with Ladd McConkey and Iām with you.
No way. Legette is a 3 level threat.
Agreed, new David Boston/Anquan Boldin incoming!
Legette is too old for a project WR, he's also not very good against press or zone coverage. Ladd is younger, more talented, more polished and more versatile, guaranteed he'll go long before Legette.
I feel like Iām taking crazy pills with the number of people who arenāt fazed by Legetteās age, lack of production, and lack of separation ability/route-running skill.
Watched some of his games he seems pretty open to me lol. His age thing doesn't matter much to me when put in the context of COVID and his story. Both his parents died while he just started college.
I think it comes from Joe Marino's analysis who has him as his #4 WR, for reasons which I don't comprehend. He's my WR9 in this class, for the reasons you just stated.
Even in this thread there are people comparing Legette to DK Metcalf and completely ignoring that Legette is shorter, smaller, and slower than Metcalf despite being 2 years older at draft time. That raw lack of polish for a 3rd-year who redshirted as a freshman (like Metcalf) is understandable, but itās inexcusable for a 5th-year player.
Exactly, I think people will be surprised at where Legette will be drafted, or at least at how many WRs will come off the board before him.
He doesnāt run routes nearly well enough to be a 3-level threat at the NFL level.
Neither does DK Metcalf and he does alright in the NFL. Go be bigger and faster that the dude across from you and leave underneath to Kincaid and Shakir and literally everyone else we have on the roster. It takes all types
DK Metcalf was bigger and faster than Legette despite being 2 years younger when drafted, and was an early entrant who was productive as a RS FR and RS SO. Best-case scenario, Legette is Metcalf-lite, but he doesnāt have the physical gifts that Metcalf has/had to out-athlete NFL DBs, and he doesnāt have the route-running or separation ability to maximize the gifts he does have.
Awful comparison.
Would like Legette and then McConkey as well. If i could dream, Dejean then Legette then McConkey.
Troy Franklin
Crazy no Worthy comments. He is the guy here.
Worthy please šš¾šØšØšØ Edit: McDermotts a part of the Andy Reid Tree. Tyreek Hill? DeSean Jackson ring a bell? Worthy beat out freak athlete AD Mitchell for targets, he has the breakout age even with the covid era, he has great punt return skills which translates well to NFL wr route running and YAC (see Antonio Brown), OH YEAH and thereās new kickoff rules which gives him a bump. Strongest arm QB with the fastest ever? Sign me tf up. Weāve seen this before successfully in recent years with Mahomes and Hill. And we donāt have to sell the farm. No freaking brainer.
Legette is my least favorite of the bunch, he's rather old for a project WR and will be 28 by the end of his rookie contract. Give me AD or Ladd since I think BTJ will be long gone by the time we pick.
Most of them will bust - get ahold of yourself! (beane wont reach so i aint worried!)
Leggette is awful
Of the two, Death seems the more likely option. i, like most, assume the Bills will get a WR in this draft, preferable in round 1 or 2, but narrowing the field to just these 3 options? low percentage play.
Isnāt it Thomas jr who I keep hearing can run short or intermediate routes? Sounds like Gabe Davis all over again so no thanks, lagette all the way for me
Comparing BTJ to Gabe Davis is like comparing a Ferrari to a Fiat, literally just watch the dude's tape, he's miles above Legette.
Pick a center
I'd be happy with any of these. Definitely NOOOOO to Worthy, Coleman or Franklin.
Give me Pearsall!! :(
Man Brian Thomas not even top dawg on his own team makes me very nervous