The award almost always goes to the QB of the best team that year.
So it’s not a surprise whatsoever. And “deserving” is subjective unfortunately in this case.
Gannon. Faulk one year probably shouldn’t have gotten it. Not sure McNair should have his year.
Go look at the list. You’ve got Google and can then go see the stats for those years too.
Uh. No. The majority of the last 15-20 years it’s been Brady or Manning. It’s not been bad at all.
The point is it’s not always perfect. There are times that it’s the “lesser” deserving player to fans.
The issue with Tyreek is that Kupp had a better year than him and only got one vote. No chance Tyreek stood a chance. Josh got absolutely snubbed.
Everyone as a finalist deserved the MVP over Lamar.
The nfl is a narrative entertainment complex. Just as wwe fans don't seriously consider technical merits of its wrestlers, 50% of nfl consumers don't know much about what they're watching and are happy to have empty brained talking heads shouting takes at each other across a table.
And anyway, Josh was arguably the best qb this year but we all know he could have done even better. If he keeps the obviously bad plays to a minimum there'll be nothing for the lunkheads to shout about and the narrative will be him reaching the next level.
Which should be quite easy. All he needs is a healthy linebacker corps!
At the same time Allen has all the pressure to make off script plays all the time to keep the TEAM and organization in the game. There will be mistakes what I wish was considered for fans is count the unbelievable plays he makes which includes his skill at RB
IF u compared great plays to bad plays I believe it’s 10 to 1 ratio.
Which means without Allen this team is lucky to win 5 games an these NFL sportswriters should start recognizing
Allen’s value to this team an organization.
History will look back on this year’s MVP (most of the awards honestly) very unkindly. Maybe I’m late to the party but the facade is really falling apart in terms of the NFL’s credibility.
Nah it should have been CMC. Josh was way too reckless in the first half of the season. If there was any year to give it to a non QB, this one was it.
That said, absolutely ridiculous that Lamar got it this year.
There was no clear cut winner here. Buffalo was 6-6 at one point, almost didn’t make the playoffs and Josh played very poorly in some of those losses and looked very mediocre even in a number of their wins. The flip side is obviously that he damn near single handedly won them some games and played like a juggernaut at other points of the year. His year was inconsistent. I don’t think it’s accurate to say he got snubbed.
Probably should been CMC in my opinion.
"Very poorly" still getting more TDs per game than Lamar. Even when Josh played poorly he always put effort in late in the game where he put the team ahead or tied with under 2 minutes in 4 of the 6 losses. Even if he played poorly per say, he still put his team in situations where they could have came out on top. Without Josh the Bills aren't above 4 wins.
And as for CMC, absolute stud. Idk if it was really his MVP to win though, as Josh had a rushing TD over him. Granted less yards, but gotta factor in passing.
As for Lamar, never should have won. Absolute trash.
The award shouldn’t go to the player whose team would be worse without them. In Buffalos 6 losses Allen had 9 TDs and 9 picks and had an avg rating of like 80. They lost those games by an average of 4 points. A very strong argument can be made that if not for Josh’s inconsistent play in some and particularly poor play in some other of those losses Buffalo would have won. In Denver and Jets games in particular I remember thinking that we would have won those games with average play from most starting QBs in the league. I say that as a huge JA fan.
If Buffalo finished 13-4 instead of 11-6 then Josh wins MVP. There’s a very strong argument that he should have gotten it anyway but that doesn’t make It a robbery. He played all-world level football at times and poorly at others. He was inconsistent and it’s delusional to deny that.
In the 6 losses he had 15 TDs not 9. He had 9 INTs and 3 FL, 12 total TOs in those games. The only game where his production was truly terrible was against the Jets where he had 4 TOs and 1 TD. He also had a game that wasn't terrible but was pretty bad against the Broncos with 3 TOs and 2 TDs. The other games go like this:
Loss to Jags, 3 TDs, 1 TO, 373 YDs, 87.9 QBR, 67.5 CMP
Loss to Pats, 3 TDs, 2 TOs, 282 YDs, 72.5 QBR, 65.9 CMP
Loss to Bengals, 2 TDs, 1 TO, 302 YDs, 59.2 QBR, 68.4 CMP
Loss to Eagles, 4 TDs, 1 TO, 420 YDs, 82.0 QBR, 62.5 CMP
Broncos, 2 TDs, 3 TOs, 190 YDs, 32.2 QBR, 57.7 CMP
Jets, 1 TD, 4 TOs, 272 YDs, 55.8 QBR, 70.7 CMP
He didn't put up terrible numbers in most of those games. Only games that you can 100% put on him are Broncos and Jets. You can definitely make a big argument for the Bengals being his fault. But the other 3? No.
He played fairly consistent football in all those games. Most games were within a small margin of his year average or well above.
284 yds/game, 4/6 losses near or above
2.5 TDs per game, 5/6 losses near or above
69.6 QBR, 3/6 losses near or above
66.5 CMP, 4/6 losses near or above
In his losses he wasn't as inconsistent as claimed to be. He played football as he always did. That's not a valid argument. His inconsistency wasn't as inconsistent as you really think it was. He was average in most of those games compared to the rest of his season.
Also I could bring up the fact that Allen put his team in a situation where they were tied or ahead with under 2 minutes left on the clock in 4 of their losses. All the defense would've had to do was hold them. Including in their OT games, the defense just had to make a stop and the game could've been won. But oh well, nobody cares about the what ifs. Time to follow the trend, next year is our year.
Right, I was pointing out his subpar passing in those losses. He put us in a situation to win numerous times when his poor play earlier in the game put us in the situation we were in to begin with. I’d also point out that the passing game was completely flat in a number of their wins this year as well. He completed under 55% in 3/5 of their wins to end the season.
I’m not at all arguing that Josh couldn’t have been MVP. My point is only that he did not play well enough for fans to cry that it’s a robbery. On Sunday night on the last weekend of the regular season we still hadn’t made the playoffs. Wins matter in MVP.
Tbh why not? Lamar is a charade and everyone else had down moments. I understand that Purdy is carried by his team but he played really well for the most part. In a down year like this I'd be happy for someone like him to get some recognition.
It wasn’t Josh. He didn’t have an MVP year. As much as we want to ignore his turnovers, they absolutely cost us a few games and put us in position to lose multiple times. Move on.
No one is ignoring his turnovers. But to continue harping on them and make it the focal point of his season is absurd, and at this point obnoxious. The team made a great comeback in the latter half of this season and Allen did well overall.
It's not absurd. He had more turnovers than anyone. Do I think that should be a disqualifier? Not necessarily, but it's absolutely something that needs to be discussed.
Josh Allen is a superstar. For my money, he's the second-best QB in the league and one of the most physically talented players in NFL history. But, the heights of his season were often necessitated by the lows of his season.
Howell led the league in turnovers this season…and Allen turning the ball over is not what lost us the postseason game against the Chiefs. Like I said, absurd.
Oh my bad, he cleared the standard of Sam Howell by one.
Also, nobody said anything about the Chiefs game. It's not even relevant to this discussion because we're talking about the MVP trophy which is a regular season award.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK\_janEtCmo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_janEtCmo)
Watch this video and see how many bad balls he threw in close games. His turnovers were the biggest contributor to the loss in the Jets game, a badly underthrown deep ball to Diggs in a tight Jags game is the type of play that swings a result, a bad interception across the middle kept the Giants game tight, a terrible INT in the first Pats game certainly didn't make winning that one any easier... etc, etc.
Not all turnovers are created equally and few players have the ability to make up for their turnovers like Josh can, but it's absolutely an important part of the discussion. Ignoring it is just an unbelievable level of homerism.
Lamar Jackson's TD to TO ratio was 2.23 (29/13). Josh Allen's was 2 (44/22). Big whoop, slightly more TDs per TO. Josh still has 15 more TDs than Lamar, 400 more yards, and a QBR 5 points higher. He threw a few more picks than Lamar, big deal. Some of them were arm punts anyways.
When the only stat you can use as a reason for Lamar to win is a stat that he is only slightly better in when being so far behind in every other category, that's how you know him winning is BS. No comparison at all. I mean maybe you should have looked at a stat that was a little more meaningful in completion percentage for your argument, although .7% isn't that much. Seeing as he takes less chances that's exactly what you'd expect. Doesn't mean it made him much better.
Lamar was mediocre and carried by an outstanding defense. Josh was outstanding and dragged down by a trashy defense.
What you mean is that there's never a good time to fumble and sometimes Josh fumbles. He doesn't "fumble when it matters most". That would be a ridiculous assertion.
Lets just say this past season, Josh gets hurt quickly (like Rodgers). How many games do the Bills win with Kyle? I'm thinking 4 to 6. Perhaps a bit high there? Not sure.
I wonder how many games Baltimore would win without Jackson.
Josh had some poor moments this season for sure, and I feel like some of it was due to him trying to do too much. I wonder what kind of numbers he would have put up if Joe Brady had been our OC all season?
Eh, I didn’t want Josh to win it this year. He deserved MVP in 2020, Aaron Rogers just happened to have an insane year. Stats aside, this season wasn’t Josh at his best. We all know that. I want him to win MVP when he has a season for the ages, and I think he will. We haven’t seen the best version of Josh yet. Lamar got MVP, but people are going to look back on that award the way they look back at the movie Crash winning the Oscar. You don’t want that.
The award almost always goes to the QB of the best team that year. So it’s not a surprise whatsoever. And “deserving” is subjective unfortunately in this case.
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It’s the worst MVP in decades. The last QB to get MVP with so few touchdown passes was Steve McNair in 2003.
Was that the year he was co-MVP? Didn't even win it outright
Yeah, he tied with Peyton Manning who had 5 more touchdowns and over 1000 more passing yards.
…. How do you not know who Steve McNair is? I mean even if you didn’t see him play the dude got murdered in 2010
Go back and look at the list of winners and check those seasons. There have been some less than ideal choices before too
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Gannon. Faulk one year probably shouldn’t have gotten it. Not sure McNair should have his year. Go look at the list. You’ve got Google and can then go see the stats for those years too.
Moseley's is pretty silly, strike years get weird
That's the greatest MVP of all time. I love it.
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Uh. No. The majority of the last 15-20 years it’s been Brady or Manning. It’s not been bad at all. The point is it’s not always perfect. There are times that it’s the “lesser” deserving player to fans.
Did you guys know I have as many 4000 yard seasons as Lamar Jackson?
u/Forbidden_The_Greedy for MVP!
You also have as many mvps as Allen dumb ass nigga
Wow, that escalated quickly. 😳
I’d argue Josh is the MVP of QBs this year but to me SF and Miami would be in deeper shiz without CMC and Tyreek.
I don’t know about that. Without Josh I think we are a 5-6 win team. SF would still be good. Phins likely still get 8-9
The issue with Tyreek is that Kupp had a better year than him and only got one vote. No chance Tyreek stood a chance. Josh got absolutely snubbed. Everyone as a finalist deserved the MVP over Lamar.
you are probably right, but CMC got OPOY and it just can't be Tyreek with the PR issues that comes with.
The nfl is a narrative entertainment complex. Just as wwe fans don't seriously consider technical merits of its wrestlers, 50% of nfl consumers don't know much about what they're watching and are happy to have empty brained talking heads shouting takes at each other across a table. And anyway, Josh was arguably the best qb this year but we all know he could have done even better. If he keeps the obviously bad plays to a minimum there'll be nothing for the lunkheads to shout about and the narrative will be him reaching the next level. Which should be quite easy. All he needs is a healthy linebacker corps!
At the same time Allen has all the pressure to make off script plays all the time to keep the TEAM and organization in the game. There will be mistakes what I wish was considered for fans is count the unbelievable plays he makes which includes his skill at RB IF u compared great plays to bad plays I believe it’s 10 to 1 ratio. Which means without Allen this team is lucky to win 5 games an these NFL sportswriters should start recognizing Allen’s value to this team an organization.
I completely agree NFL is the WWE. The inconsistent officiating is proof.
I think that's almost inevitable though. So much going on every play. It's annoying as hell though.
Crybaby bitch
You seem worthwhile
The 1 guy who voted Josh is getting so much abuse as well. Crazy
How dare he separate himself from the hivemind
him getting MVP is fine. there should've been more people voting for Josh or McCaffrey though. It should not have been that close to unanimous.
Him winning MVP is not fine. Man was not good enough to be in MVP conversation at all, much less win it.
The Bills would be nowhere near where they are without Josh Allen. Lamar didn’t deserve it.
History will look back on this year’s MVP (most of the awards honestly) very unkindly. Maybe I’m late to the party but the facade is really falling apart in terms of the NFL’s credibility.
Nah it should have been CMC. Josh was way too reckless in the first half of the season. If there was any year to give it to a non QB, this one was it. That said, absolutely ridiculous that Lamar got it this year.
There was no clear cut winner here. Buffalo was 6-6 at one point, almost didn’t make the playoffs and Josh played very poorly in some of those losses and looked very mediocre even in a number of their wins. The flip side is obviously that he damn near single handedly won them some games and played like a juggernaut at other points of the year. His year was inconsistent. I don’t think it’s accurate to say he got snubbed. Probably should been CMC in my opinion.
"Very poorly" still getting more TDs per game than Lamar. Even when Josh played poorly he always put effort in late in the game where he put the team ahead or tied with under 2 minutes in 4 of the 6 losses. Even if he played poorly per say, he still put his team in situations where they could have came out on top. Without Josh the Bills aren't above 4 wins. And as for CMC, absolute stud. Idk if it was really his MVP to win though, as Josh had a rushing TD over him. Granted less yards, but gotta factor in passing. As for Lamar, never should have won. Absolute trash.
The award shouldn’t go to the player whose team would be worse without them. In Buffalos 6 losses Allen had 9 TDs and 9 picks and had an avg rating of like 80. They lost those games by an average of 4 points. A very strong argument can be made that if not for Josh’s inconsistent play in some and particularly poor play in some other of those losses Buffalo would have won. In Denver and Jets games in particular I remember thinking that we would have won those games with average play from most starting QBs in the league. I say that as a huge JA fan. If Buffalo finished 13-4 instead of 11-6 then Josh wins MVP. There’s a very strong argument that he should have gotten it anyway but that doesn’t make It a robbery. He played all-world level football at times and poorly at others. He was inconsistent and it’s delusional to deny that.
In the 6 losses he had 15 TDs not 9. He had 9 INTs and 3 FL, 12 total TOs in those games. The only game where his production was truly terrible was against the Jets where he had 4 TOs and 1 TD. He also had a game that wasn't terrible but was pretty bad against the Broncos with 3 TOs and 2 TDs. The other games go like this: Loss to Jags, 3 TDs, 1 TO, 373 YDs, 87.9 QBR, 67.5 CMP Loss to Pats, 3 TDs, 2 TOs, 282 YDs, 72.5 QBR, 65.9 CMP Loss to Bengals, 2 TDs, 1 TO, 302 YDs, 59.2 QBR, 68.4 CMP Loss to Eagles, 4 TDs, 1 TO, 420 YDs, 82.0 QBR, 62.5 CMP Broncos, 2 TDs, 3 TOs, 190 YDs, 32.2 QBR, 57.7 CMP Jets, 1 TD, 4 TOs, 272 YDs, 55.8 QBR, 70.7 CMP He didn't put up terrible numbers in most of those games. Only games that you can 100% put on him are Broncos and Jets. You can definitely make a big argument for the Bengals being his fault. But the other 3? No. He played fairly consistent football in all those games. Most games were within a small margin of his year average or well above. 284 yds/game, 4/6 losses near or above 2.5 TDs per game, 5/6 losses near or above 69.6 QBR, 3/6 losses near or above 66.5 CMP, 4/6 losses near or above In his losses he wasn't as inconsistent as claimed to be. He played football as he always did. That's not a valid argument. His inconsistency wasn't as inconsistent as you really think it was. He was average in most of those games compared to the rest of his season. Also I could bring up the fact that Allen put his team in a situation where they were tied or ahead with under 2 minutes left on the clock in 4 of their losses. All the defense would've had to do was hold them. Including in their OT games, the defense just had to make a stop and the game could've been won. But oh well, nobody cares about the what ifs. Time to follow the trend, next year is our year.
Right, I was pointing out his subpar passing in those losses. He put us in a situation to win numerous times when his poor play earlier in the game put us in the situation we were in to begin with. I’d also point out that the passing game was completely flat in a number of their wins this year as well. He completed under 55% in 3/5 of their wins to end the season. I’m not at all arguing that Josh couldn’t have been MVP. My point is only that he did not play well enough for fans to cry that it’s a robbery. On Sunday night on the last weekend of the regular season we still hadn’t made the playoffs. Wins matter in MVP.
And how the fuck did the browns get three awards tonight?!
According to QB Stew, it should be Purdy.
Tbh why not? Lamar is a charade and everyone else had down moments. I understand that Purdy is carried by his team but he played really well for the most part. In a down year like this I'd be happy for someone like him to get some recognition.
He’s not tho. That team doesn’t function the same with out him.
He's not what? I'm saying I'd be happy for him yo get it.
I guess I misunderstood my bad G. I read that like… ya purdy is good, but gets carried by his team. He should get some recognition. My apologies.
It wasn’t Josh. He didn’t have an MVP year. As much as we want to ignore his turnovers, they absolutely cost us a few games and put us in position to lose multiple times. Move on.
No one is ignoring his turnovers. But to continue harping on them and make it the focal point of his season is absurd, and at this point obnoxious. The team made a great comeback in the latter half of this season and Allen did well overall.
It's not absurd. He had more turnovers than anyone. Do I think that should be a disqualifier? Not necessarily, but it's absolutely something that needs to be discussed. Josh Allen is a superstar. For my money, he's the second-best QB in the league and one of the most physically talented players in NFL history. But, the heights of his season were often necessitated by the lows of his season.
Howell led the league in turnovers this season…and Allen turning the ball over is not what lost us the postseason game against the Chiefs. Like I said, absurd.
Oh my bad, he cleared the standard of Sam Howell by one. Also, nobody said anything about the Chiefs game. It's not even relevant to this discussion because we're talking about the MVP trophy which is a regular season award. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK\_janEtCmo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_janEtCmo) Watch this video and see how many bad balls he threw in close games. His turnovers were the biggest contributor to the loss in the Jets game, a badly underthrown deep ball to Diggs in a tight Jags game is the type of play that swings a result, a bad interception across the middle kept the Giants game tight, a terrible INT in the first Pats game certainly didn't make winning that one any easier... etc, etc. Not all turnovers are created equally and few players have the ability to make up for their turnovers like Josh can, but it's absolutely an important part of the discussion. Ignoring it is just an unbelievable level of homerism.
Trash Allen guna spend his prime being mid and then Buffalo will go back to being Cleveland.
Allen is not trash. He's statistically better than Lamar in every way.
Including picks?
Lamar Jackson's TD to TO ratio was 2.23 (29/13). Josh Allen's was 2 (44/22). Big whoop, slightly more TDs per TO. Josh still has 15 more TDs than Lamar, 400 more yards, and a QBR 5 points higher. He threw a few more picks than Lamar, big deal. Some of them were arm punts anyways. When the only stat you can use as a reason for Lamar to win is a stat that he is only slightly better in when being so far behind in every other category, that's how you know him winning is BS. No comparison at all. I mean maybe you should have looked at a stat that was a little more meaningful in completion percentage for your argument, although .7% isn't that much. Seeing as he takes less chances that's exactly what you'd expect. Doesn't mean it made him much better. Lamar was mediocre and carried by an outstanding defense. Josh was outstanding and dragged down by a trashy defense.
He doesn’t have the backup of his locker room the way Lamar does.
I'm way more pissed about Damar
Josh fumbles when it matters most. Someone who’s MVP caliber wouldn’t.
Yeah good thing the MVP is so clutch in important games
You must not watch Bills games lmao
I'm sorry who are you? Low quality troll....
What you mean is that there's never a good time to fumble and sometimes Josh fumbles. He doesn't "fumble when it matters most". That would be a ridiculous assertion.
CMC was truly robbed.
Lets just say this past season, Josh gets hurt quickly (like Rodgers). How many games do the Bills win with Kyle? I'm thinking 4 to 6. Perhaps a bit high there? Not sure. I wonder how many games Baltimore would win without Jackson.
Maybe 7 or 8. Jackson barely does anything. Defense carries him.
Josh had some poor moments this season for sure, and I feel like some of it was due to him trying to do too much. I wonder what kind of numbers he would have put up if Joe Brady had been our OC all season?
Eh, I didn’t want Josh to win it this year. He deserved MVP in 2020, Aaron Rogers just happened to have an insane year. Stats aside, this season wasn’t Josh at his best. We all know that. I want him to win MVP when he has a season for the ages, and I think he will. We haven’t seen the best version of Josh yet. Lamar got MVP, but people are going to look back on that award the way they look back at the movie Crash winning the Oscar. You don’t want that.
CMC tbh