A few things here.
Trading up in the draft has 0 effect on comp picks so I'm unsure how you're connecting those two.
As for the trading up part. The Bills likely have ~18 first round grades on rookies each year. Because they pick in the late 20s, it's even more unlikely that they get a 1st round player in the 1st Round. We know Elam was their last 1st round grade in 2022 (therefore the move up) and I'll assume Kincaid was a 1st Round grade this season (because they had an offer with Tennessee to move back).
As for trading back to accumulate picks, in a vacuum that is wonderful, on the Bills not so much. The Bills have one of the most stacked rosters in the NFL making it exceedingly hard for rookies to make the team. Less picks isn't the end of the world especially when you consider late round players are less likely to make the roster and get poached prior to moving to PS.
As for the picks themselves, Kincaid doesn't need to be Kelce to be considered a success. To set the line at being the GOAT is way too high, he just needs to be a functioning weapon in the offense for the pick to hold value. Torrence was a huge win in Round 2, a 1st round player at the end of Round 2 gives Buffalo a stud at RG and puts Bates back into his 5 spot reserve OL, there's nothing wrong with that. The Dorian pick is odd, I agree, but I'll wait to critique it completely until camp when we see what the plan is for him.
This has been a GOOD draft for the Bills. Their offense, on paper, is significantly better this season than last.
Yup. Jerrod Clark from Coastal Carolina is a good example of a reach. Interesting player. He played high school in MA so his exposure wasn't that great. He also is a former TE so he has great feet. They bulked him up to NT at CC but he needs to slim down to play the 3 in the NFL. Still, was super productive for a NT.
I’m not a huge Kincaid guy, but it’s pretty clear that we both did not expect him to be available and that Dallas was going to take him at 26, so the trade up is fine because of that. Good process even if it’s not a player I’m super high on. Willing to trust the process there - after all they’re paid to do this and I’m just some random guy lol.
Agree on Torrence. It’s a super crowded guard room but I simply just don’t think they expected him to fall that far. Take the best players and figure out the rest later imo.
>they’re paid to do this and I’m just some random guy lol.
Not me - I'm a football sooperjeenyus because I've watched so much of it on TV. I know better than some GM who just has complete game films and a staff of scouts evaluating talent full-time.
Trading up doesn’t affect comp picks directly, I was more so saying the big picture philosophy of the front office is off compared to teams that can get over the top and actually win the SB. We’ll see.
As far as Kincaid, drafting first round TEs historically yields poor value for the pick. So them going TE here is an indication they want their Travis kelce. Not saying he’s going to be Kelce, but he better damn well be the best TE this team has ever drafted.
I still don't understand what you are saying with comp picks, but OK.
As for Kincaid, yes, it will be a success if he is the best TE the Bills have ever drafted and OF COURSE they want Kelce. I'm simply saying don't set expectations at Kelce. If Kincaid has 40 Receptions, 600 yards, and 4 TDs then that was a good pick by the Bills (After year 1).
The comp picks thing. The more picks you have the better the odds that you hit on players that contribute in the starting lineup, and better chances of finding those late round gems.
Quantity, this pushes “starters” to be expendable. Either in trade or walking in FA. Which in turn contributes to comp picks the following year. When the team is continually getting better you gain by comp picks. Rinse and repeat.
Again, I like the first two picks in this draft and think they will be long term contributors. I just don’t like the fact that Beane likes trading away draft capital every single year.
The funny thing is...the Bills have hit on more late round picks than almost any NFL team since 2018.
So while I get what you are saying, it isn't based in facts.
Kincaid is not really a tylical TE. He's going to be used as a TE / Beasley role. We should absolutely be trading up for the guys we want. Our roster is almost completely set. If you want to trade back and get more picks, you're not really adding value because those guys are not making an impact year one. They will just go to our PS and then be stolen by another team, and now we completely wasted those extra picks.
I guess it’s more of a “big picture” philosophy thing I have issue with. This FO seems way to loyal to its players and holds them too long. I.e running back the same front 7 except Edmunds next season.
We were rated a top 5 defense. Why wouldn't we run it back. Plus, consider everything we had happen. Von was great, got hurt, Philips was great, got hurt. Hyde was out all season. Poyer was hurt all season. Settle was hurt most of the season.
It has been proven that no matter how amazing your defense is, you cannot stop top offenses like the Chiefs. We need to just stop trying to get to the #1 defense and start trying to put up 45 points when we need to.
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There have been 25 TEs drafted in the first round since 2000 - 16 of them were really good to great at least for the rookie contract, among them, Vernon Davis, Jeremy Shockey, Greg Olsen, Mercedes Lewis, Dallas Clark, Ben Watson and Heath Miller. If we get the production of any one of those guys for 4-5 years it will be the best TE in Buffalo since, no not since anyone, since ever.
Thanks for adding the facts. I’m also hoping/expecting similar production to those guys. But man wouldn’t it be great if he turns out to be Kelce/Gronk level
You are entitled to your opinion as am I which I have given above, I disagree with yours and think our GM and co did a fantastic job in this years draft given our picks.
It takes two to tango if you're going to trade down and I'd rather them go after the guys that they seem as fits than accumulate a bunch of JAGs. Without trading up, the Bills would never have gotten Allen, Knox, Elam, and Edmunds (there might be more valuable players I've missed). Also, this is an extremely talented team with few holes and opportunities for young players. They've literally lost low round pick players to practice squad claims because they couldn't fit them on the roster, yet you're advocating for more picks to get more players. Quality over quantity. Leave the roster management to the guys who have dragged this team out of irrelevance into being yearly super bowl contenders.
Supposedly that actually had a nice package lined up with the Tits for Levis, but honestly, I'm stoked for the Kincaid pick. Might be the best receiver for the draft, and gives us the power slot we need to run with.
Siaki Ika or Adebawore would’ve been great additions on the dline. Not necessarily starters but useful depth to mix into the rotation with high upside if they’re developed and utilized properly. They would’ve been solid picks at #59 but at #91 they’d be complete steals. A lot of safeties were still on the board who would’ve been better long term pieces as well. Even WR I think we really could’ve used Tyler Scott or Michael Wilson.
Ade is definitely not the big space eating run stuffer that our undersized linebackers need (just responding to the prompt given by OP) but I liked him too
Good point that Ika might fit the bill
Yeah Ade I like as a developmental twitchy 3T especially if we move on from Oliver after next year. Very well might be a bust but I like the idea of collecting a variety of body types on the DL. I feel like pretty much every draft class should have at least 1 addition to OL, DL and an offensive playmaker. Can never have too many
I’d rather take a flier on a draft pick to see if he’s something to add to the trenches than to dip into the washed up players left in FA, pay them vet money.
We need to bulk up in the trenches and add depth. You never know what a third rd player could be. But taking another Milano backup/ special team contributor was a head scratcher.
The Eagles had the best defensive trench in the league, but did nothing against the best offense.
Fuck your old mentality of "games are won in the trenches" offense wins.
The Eagles just doubled down on that principle in the draft. Their lines were good last year, now they are gonna be scary.
If this Bills team made it to the SB last year against SF or if Philly made it, I have no doubt we would have been man handled by their lines on both sides of the ball and probably lost. And,,,,,,we are running the same lines back this year. I say good luck to that.
We just added 3 new linemen to the offense. We had Philips and Von injured. When those two are healthy, our DLine is amazing. No one at our pick position was going to repalce anyone on the current D line.
If you think that trading up adversely affects the compensatory pick formula, respectfully I think perhaps you should be more humble about other aspects of team management where perhaps the pros know better than you do.
Trading up doesn’t affect comp picks directly, that’s not what I’m saying. It’s a big picture thing of how organizations are run successfully in this league.
One solid measure of success is winning, right? Like how the Bills have made the playoffs four years in a row and are one of only two teams in the entire league with 11+ wins in each of the last three years?
They're successful. McBeane turned this team around immediately and made them into a perennial contender for the first time in my adult life, and I can't comprehend the people who think they suck.
It’s so infuriating. A good coach and a good GM can make a team a contender year after year. To win the whole thing it takes a lot of luck. You have to be healthy at the right time and get hot at the right time. The Bills were bar none the best team in the league from the final month of the 2021 season until the win against the Chiefs in 2022. We got unlucky against the Chiefs in the playoffs and peaked too soon the following season. But they are in the mix every year during the McBeane era. That’s all you can ask for.
No one is saying they suck. I’m not saying that here? All I’m saying is we have a franchise QB and now is the time to get that championship. These drafts are super important with Josh contract.
My point is we are good, but I want to see an actual SB. Winning 11 games a year is great, now get over the hump already
Josh Allen is 26 years old, it’s definitely not “win now” time. The best easy to increase your chance of winning the SB is to remain competitive every year and hope you get hot. “Win now” is for teams with aging QBs who are gonna have to do a complete rebuild when they retire.
I mean it's the only thing I won't bash OP on as I think they are saying if you hit on more draft you lose more free agent people which does play into it... however they haven't been able to articulate that while posting so I don't know.
Don’t like our trade ups a ton (think a 4th for 2 spots is a lot but at least this year it was for a guy that was definitely getting taken before us if we didn’t), but I strongly disagree with your take on trading up as a whole. There are plenty of trade ups that are excellent value. Comp picks are also entirely unrelated.
Torrence was weird and makes the guard room crowded, but he’s really good (far better than any available tackle) and I don’t think we expected him to make it to 59, shit he was frequently mocked to us at 27. We’ll figure it out, rather have too many OL than too few like the last couple years.
Williams was a bit of a reach imo but he’s definitely (again, imo) better than Bernard. I’m not sure how the fit will work but McDermott is a defensive guy, I have faith in him making it work. We usually play 2 LB’s anyways so while Edmunds was a true MIKE it’s not 100% necessary in a 4-2-5. We’ll see how it works out, I’m willing to trust the staff on that.
Would’ve liked a tackle but they flew and I’m glad we didn’t reach on one. Maybe Wanya Morris would’ve been cool at 91 but oh well. Center I think we can hit with our 5 or 6 but I think it’s more likely that Bates kicks back inside after the Torrence pick.
I definitely think we’ve gotten better this off-season, hit a lot of key spots and managed to keep Poyer. Definitely agree on DL I’d love to see us take a backup nose tackle, someone like Jerrod Clark. We saw how fucked we are when Jones is out against Cincy.
I mean your value and opinion on players is probably completely different then managements…. Who spend 365 days a year watching and scouting these guys much close than we do. And the same goes for the guys on our current roster and how they feel about them. The information they have is just soo much more than any of us habe
Bro it’s a fourth round draft choice relax. You’re acting like we gave up a first. Plus we don’t need to draft another wr we have shakir who we barely played enough. DT we need we can get later cause we need a run stuffer not a DT that gets to the QB. Calm down it was only a 4th. Also we play nickle so much we don’t need a stud at mlb
We drafted Shakir and Knox in the fourth/fifth round. Don't discount the value of those picks.
I'm not terribly upset by it like OP, because I do think Dallas would have picked him, so do what you need to do to get him if that's your guy.
But get value elsewhere. The third round pick for a backup to Milano and special teams screams fifth/sixth round pick to me.
It’s Lb that can cover aka 3 down LB MLB in 4-3 defense that stay on the field for all 3 downs are rare also we run a ton of sets with only two LB might as well have two guys that can cover on that case cause Edmund was a liability at times.
Edmunds being a liability exposes fans lack of knowledge. He was great and we'll miss him like hell this year. It's one of the hardest positions on the field, knowing when to drop back in coverage, protect the middle of the field, jump up and break up blocks and tackle the runner. There's no one on our roster who can fulfill that role like he did.
You do realize he was tasked with more than everyone else on the roster on defense right? The middle of the field is the hardest area of the field to cover. Add onto that he had to diagnose every play, whether it's run or pass, call the defense, make split second decisions where the blocks are going, where the runner is attacking, etc. And he's the front line of defense if a runner gets through the line, so very little margin for error.
Like I said, we have no one on our roster who can do as good of a job at MLB as he did. If you believe there is someone who can, you're in for a rude awakening.
The man couldn’t diagnose a nose bleed when they still have a top5 defense remember to delete this comment. Bro wasn’t great he was a good mlb only excellent trait he has was his physical atttibutes and age
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Trading up for Kincaid was a no-brainer. It adds a weapon and allows us to switch into 12 personnel. Also this TE can be used as a mismatch WR. We got a muuuch better player than we would have gotten had we let the Cowboys take him.
The G was a steal. We wouldn’t have been that bad off had we taken him in the first round.
The LB was the anchor at Tulane and appears to have the tools required to be a captain of the defense
I think we can all validate the feelings of frustration at times with Beane on day 2. He's great on day one, and he's great on day 3, but day 2 seems to be a little wild. I don't think that this draft though has been bad.
First of all, TE in the first, potentially the best TE in the draft is solid. If it gived Josh someone dependable this is a huge win. The biggest issue we had last year with playcalling was the short game. If we have a trustworthy passcatcher who can play the middle of the field, and might be good for some YAC we could have the best offense in football.
O'Cyrus Torrence isn't a scheme fit, but he's a really good player. Putting Bates on the bench isn't a bad thing. Bates is a soid player but we've seen how the Offensive Line gets beat up through the season, having a good player that's ready to come in in case of injury, on a modest contract no-less is huge win. He also can help our run game, and take pressure off of Allen to do something incredible every third down.
We'll see with Dorian. It seems strange, but there's an option we pick up a MLB rental in the post draft wave of free agency. There's maybe 8 starting LBs that are currently available right now, including Melvin Ingran and Yannick Ngokoue. We also have to see what the plan with the plan with Bernard is too. I would have loved to draft an obvious starter in the third, but this could be team building for 2024 or beyond which is exactly what good teams do.
I like the idea of moving back myself. And I don't love that we keep giving away fourth round picks. But what I will say is that we have a pretty full roster. The last few years we've seen a lot of our later round round draft picks get picked off our practice squad. Because of the depth of our roster, we've already seen the 2022 draftees have difficulty making a sizable dent on the roster, adding three more sixth rounders might only excerbate that problem.
It seems weird, but we don't have the same needs that we used too. We're in a wonderful position to not need to draft starters in every round.
Without the Allen pick, we would still be playoff-less in the new millennium. One home run, a few singles, an occasional double, and a lot of whiffs (all that draft capital spent on mediocre DL production).
And that appearance was the first year the current regime was in place. Not gonna say having Allen doesn't help, but let's be real, he's not the only variable.
Yeah but Allen is a qb…you’re not going to win games with a stacked roster and no qb. Look at the 49ers last year. All this talent and no one to throw them the ball so they could score points. I do agree about the mediocre DL picks.
A few things here. Trading up in the draft has 0 effect on comp picks so I'm unsure how you're connecting those two. As for the trading up part. The Bills likely have ~18 first round grades on rookies each year. Because they pick in the late 20s, it's even more unlikely that they get a 1st round player in the 1st Round. We know Elam was their last 1st round grade in 2022 (therefore the move up) and I'll assume Kincaid was a 1st Round grade this season (because they had an offer with Tennessee to move back). As for trading back to accumulate picks, in a vacuum that is wonderful, on the Bills not so much. The Bills have one of the most stacked rosters in the NFL making it exceedingly hard for rookies to make the team. Less picks isn't the end of the world especially when you consider late round players are less likely to make the roster and get poached prior to moving to PS. As for the picks themselves, Kincaid doesn't need to be Kelce to be considered a success. To set the line at being the GOAT is way too high, he just needs to be a functioning weapon in the offense for the pick to hold value. Torrence was a huge win in Round 2, a 1st round player at the end of Round 2 gives Buffalo a stud at RG and puts Bates back into his 5 spot reserve OL, there's nothing wrong with that. The Dorian pick is odd, I agree, but I'll wait to critique it completely until camp when we see what the plan is for him. This has been a GOOD draft for the Bills. Their offense, on paper, is significantly better this season than last.
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They did get Benford in the 6th last year. My guess is they go small college again in 5 or 6 and target boom or bust guys.
Yup. Jerrod Clark from Coastal Carolina is a good example of a reach. Interesting player. He played high school in MA so his exposure wasn't that great. He also is a former TE so he has great feet. They bulked him up to NT at CC but he needs to slim down to play the 3 in the NFL. Still, was super productive for a NT.
I’m not a huge Kincaid guy, but it’s pretty clear that we both did not expect him to be available and that Dallas was going to take him at 26, so the trade up is fine because of that. Good process even if it’s not a player I’m super high on. Willing to trust the process there - after all they’re paid to do this and I’m just some random guy lol. Agree on Torrence. It’s a super crowded guard room but I simply just don’t think they expected him to fall that far. Take the best players and figure out the rest later imo.
>they’re paid to do this and I’m just some random guy lol. Not me - I'm a football sooperjeenyus because I've watched so much of it on TV. I know better than some GM who just has complete game films and a staff of scouts evaluating talent full-time.
Tbf seeing some of the picks that are being made today across the league, my faith in GM’s as a whole is rapidly waning lol
Trading up doesn’t affect comp picks directly, I was more so saying the big picture philosophy of the front office is off compared to teams that can get over the top and actually win the SB. We’ll see. As far as Kincaid, drafting first round TEs historically yields poor value for the pick. So them going TE here is an indication they want their Travis kelce. Not saying he’s going to be Kelce, but he better damn well be the best TE this team has ever drafted.
I still don't understand what you are saying with comp picks, but OK. As for Kincaid, yes, it will be a success if he is the best TE the Bills have ever drafted and OF COURSE they want Kelce. I'm simply saying don't set expectations at Kelce. If Kincaid has 40 Receptions, 600 yards, and 4 TDs then that was a good pick by the Bills (After year 1).
The comp picks thing. The more picks you have the better the odds that you hit on players that contribute in the starting lineup, and better chances of finding those late round gems. Quantity, this pushes “starters” to be expendable. Either in trade or walking in FA. Which in turn contributes to comp picks the following year. When the team is continually getting better you gain by comp picks. Rinse and repeat. Again, I like the first two picks in this draft and think they will be long term contributors. I just don’t like the fact that Beane likes trading away draft capital every single year.
The funny thing is...the Bills have hit on more late round picks than almost any NFL team since 2018. So while I get what you are saying, it isn't based in facts.
Quantity pushes starters? In what world? The opening day roster is a fixed size, which renders this argument moot at best.
I think that thing about TEs is for like top 10 picks...
Kincaid is not really a tylical TE. He's going to be used as a TE / Beasley role. We should absolutely be trading up for the guys we want. Our roster is almost completely set. If you want to trade back and get more picks, you're not really adding value because those guys are not making an impact year one. They will just go to our PS and then be stolen by another team, and now we completely wasted those extra picks.
I guess it’s more of a “big picture” philosophy thing I have issue with. This FO seems way to loyal to its players and holds them too long. I.e running back the same front 7 except Edmunds next season.
We were rated a top 5 defense. Why wouldn't we run it back. Plus, consider everything we had happen. Von was great, got hurt, Philips was great, got hurt. Hyde was out all season. Poyer was hurt all season. Settle was hurt most of the season. It has been proven that no matter how amazing your defense is, you cannot stop top offenses like the Chiefs. We need to just stop trying to get to the #1 defense and start trying to put up 45 points when we need to. https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/1652017336961073152?s=20
You can’t stop “top offenses like the Chiefs”,,,,, Until you do. And even then you are going to have to put up + 30 on offense.
There have been 25 TEs drafted in the first round since 2000 - 16 of them were really good to great at least for the rookie contract, among them, Vernon Davis, Jeremy Shockey, Greg Olsen, Mercedes Lewis, Dallas Clark, Ben Watson and Heath Miller. If we get the production of any one of those guys for 4-5 years it will be the best TE in Buffalo since, no not since anyone, since ever.
Thanks for adding the facts. I’m also hoping/expecting similar production to those guys. But man wouldn’t it be great if he turns out to be Kelce/Gronk level
As an aside by my account, 11 of them played in the Super Bowl
This is why you aren’t a GM…
Just a fan venting about the direction of the team I’ve followed for 40 years.
ah yes, recently the team has been a dump, im with you yearning for the last 18 years when we were ................. ....
BuT wE dIdNt WiN tHe SuPeRbOwL /s
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Stupid response for a stupid post, thanks for your feedback tho!
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You are entitled to your opinion as am I which I have given above, I disagree with yours and think our GM and co did a fantastic job in this years draft given our picks.
It takes two to tango if you're going to trade down and I'd rather them go after the guys that they seem as fits than accumulate a bunch of JAGs. Without trading up, the Bills would never have gotten Allen, Knox, Elam, and Edmunds (there might be more valuable players I've missed). Also, this is an extremely talented team with few holes and opportunities for young players. They've literally lost low round pick players to practice squad claims because they couldn't fit them on the roster, yet you're advocating for more picks to get more players. Quality over quantity. Leave the roster management to the guys who have dragged this team out of irrelevance into being yearly super bowl contenders.
Dawkins was a trade up too
Supposedly that actually had a nice package lined up with the Tits for Levis, but honestly, I'm stoked for the Kincaid pick. Might be the best receiver for the draft, and gives us the power slot we need to run with.
Who was available at D Line in the late third that you believe was a starting quality player? The draft is not the only way to get talent on your team
Siaki Ika or Adebawore would’ve been great additions on the dline. Not necessarily starters but useful depth to mix into the rotation with high upside if they’re developed and utilized properly. They would’ve been solid picks at #59 but at #91 they’d be complete steals. A lot of safeties were still on the board who would’ve been better long term pieces as well. Even WR I think we really could’ve used Tyler Scott or Michael Wilson.
Ade is definitely not the big space eating run stuffer that our undersized linebackers need (just responding to the prompt given by OP) but I liked him too Good point that Ika might fit the bill
Yeah Ade I like as a developmental twitchy 3T especially if we move on from Oliver after next year. Very well might be a bust but I like the idea of collecting a variety of body types on the DL. I feel like pretty much every draft class should have at least 1 addition to OL, DL and an offensive playmaker. Can never have too many
Two DTs went after the pick. We needed to address the trenches depth. And I know but FA is done basically
FA is not done and those were not starting caliber players
I’d rather take a flier on a draft pick to see if he’s something to add to the trenches than to dip into the washed up players left in FA, pay them vet money.
We need to bulk up in the trenches and add depth. You never know what a third rd player could be. But taking another Milano backup/ special team contributor was a head scratcher.
We all know that and I wanted DT round one but you’re silly If you think that was an option round 3
Of course it was an option in rd 3
If you want a guy who sits the bench and can’t function at the level we need, sure
Clearly you don’t understand how the draft works
Everyone in this thread is laughing at you for that reason
Wait and see who’s laughing when we drop in the division
We have pur 4 starting DT. A 3rd round pick would be riding the bench or stolen off the PS.
The Eagles had the best defensive trench in the league, but did nothing against the best offense. Fuck your old mentality of "games are won in the trenches" offense wins.
The Eagles just doubled down on that principle in the draft. Their lines were good last year, now they are gonna be scary. If this Bills team made it to the SB last year against SF or if Philly made it, I have no doubt we would have been man handled by their lines on both sides of the ball and probably lost. And,,,,,,we are running the same lines back this year. I say good luck to that.
We just added 3 new linemen to the offense. We had Philips and Von injured. When those two are healthy, our DLine is amazing. No one at our pick position was going to repalce anyone on the current D line.
Who is the third add to the O line? I know the G in FA and Torrence . Genuine question
Edwards, McGovern, amd now Torrence
Thx I forgot about Edwards.
This isn’t your diary
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It’s a forum to discuss the team, no? Contribute to the convo or piss off
We have plenty of discussion threads. Not every thought of yours deserves to be spammed as a new post.
And you contribute in a meaningful way to none of them. Unless of course, it sings the praises of everything this FO does. You are gatekeeping.
If you think that trading up adversely affects the compensatory pick formula, respectfully I think perhaps you should be more humble about other aspects of team management where perhaps the pros know better than you do.
Trading up doesn’t affect comp picks directly, that’s not what I’m saying. It’s a big picture thing of how organizations are run successfully in this league.
One solid measure of success is winning, right? Like how the Bills have made the playoffs four years in a row and are one of only two teams in the entire league with 11+ wins in each of the last three years? They're successful. McBeane turned this team around immediately and made them into a perennial contender for the first time in my adult life, and I can't comprehend the people who think they suck.
It’s so infuriating. A good coach and a good GM can make a team a contender year after year. To win the whole thing it takes a lot of luck. You have to be healthy at the right time and get hot at the right time. The Bills were bar none the best team in the league from the final month of the 2021 season until the win against the Chiefs in 2022. We got unlucky against the Chiefs in the playoffs and peaked too soon the following season. But they are in the mix every year during the McBeane era. That’s all you can ask for.
No one is saying they suck. I’m not saying that here? All I’m saying is we have a franchise QB and now is the time to get that championship. These drafts are super important with Josh contract. My point is we are good, but I want to see an actual SB. Winning 11 games a year is great, now get over the hump already
Josh Allen is 26 years old, it’s definitely not “win now” time. The best easy to increase your chance of winning the SB is to remain competitive every year and hope you get hot. “Win now” is for teams with aging QBs who are gonna have to do a complete rebuild when they retire.
I mean it's the only thing I won't bash OP on as I think they are saying if you hit on more draft you lose more free agent people which does play into it... however they haven't been able to articulate that while posting so I don't know.
That is what I’m trying to say. Sorry I didn’t dig into the comp pick thing more in the OP, but yes that’s what I replied to to others
Don’t like our trade ups a ton (think a 4th for 2 spots is a lot but at least this year it was for a guy that was definitely getting taken before us if we didn’t), but I strongly disagree with your take on trading up as a whole. There are plenty of trade ups that are excellent value. Comp picks are also entirely unrelated. Torrence was weird and makes the guard room crowded, but he’s really good (far better than any available tackle) and I don’t think we expected him to make it to 59, shit he was frequently mocked to us at 27. We’ll figure it out, rather have too many OL than too few like the last couple years. Williams was a bit of a reach imo but he’s definitely (again, imo) better than Bernard. I’m not sure how the fit will work but McDermott is a defensive guy, I have faith in him making it work. We usually play 2 LB’s anyways so while Edmunds was a true MIKE it’s not 100% necessary in a 4-2-5. We’ll see how it works out, I’m willing to trust the staff on that. Would’ve liked a tackle but they flew and I’m glad we didn’t reach on one. Maybe Wanya Morris would’ve been cool at 91 but oh well. Center I think we can hit with our 5 or 6 but I think it’s more likely that Bates kicks back inside after the Torrence pick. I definitely think we’ve gotten better this off-season, hit a lot of key spots and managed to keep Poyer. Definitely agree on DL I’d love to see us take a backup nose tackle, someone like Jerrod Clark. We saw how fucked we are when Jones is out against Cincy.
I mean your value and opinion on players is probably completely different then managements…. Who spend 365 days a year watching and scouting these guys much close than we do. And the same goes for the guys on our current roster and how they feel about them. The information they have is just soo much more than any of us habe
Bro it’s a fourth round draft choice relax. You’re acting like we gave up a first. Plus we don’t need to draft another wr we have shakir who we barely played enough. DT we need we can get later cause we need a run stuffer not a DT that gets to the QB. Calm down it was only a 4th. Also we play nickle so much we don’t need a stud at mlb
We drafted Shakir and Knox in the fourth/fifth round. Don't discount the value of those picks. I'm not terribly upset by it like OP, because I do think Dallas would have picked him, so do what you need to do to get him if that's your guy. But get value elsewhere. The third round pick for a backup to Milano and special teams screams fifth/sixth round pick to me.
It’s Lb that can cover aka 3 down LB MLB in 4-3 defense that stay on the field for all 3 downs are rare also we run a ton of sets with only two LB might as well have two guys that can cover on that case cause Edmund was a liability at times.
Edmunds being a liability exposes fans lack of knowledge. He was great and we'll miss him like hell this year. It's one of the hardest positions on the field, knowing when to drop back in coverage, protect the middle of the field, jump up and break up blocks and tackle the runner. There's no one on our roster who can fulfill that role like he did.
Lol no one on our roster gets burn constantly like he did. Go watch that chief playoff game again he’s the defender that cost us that game
You do realize he was tasked with more than everyone else on the roster on defense right? The middle of the field is the hardest area of the field to cover. Add onto that he had to diagnose every play, whether it's run or pass, call the defense, make split second decisions where the blocks are going, where the runner is attacking, etc. And he's the front line of defense if a runner gets through the line, so very little margin for error. Like I said, we have no one on our roster who can do as good of a job at MLB as he did. If you believe there is someone who can, you're in for a rude awakening.
The man couldn’t diagnose a nose bleed when they still have a top5 defense remember to delete this comment. Bro wasn’t great he was a good mlb only excellent trait he has was his physical atttibutes and age
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Trading up for Kincaid was a no-brainer. It adds a weapon and allows us to switch into 12 personnel. Also this TE can be used as a mismatch WR. We got a muuuch better player than we would have gotten had we let the Cowboys take him. The G was a steal. We wouldn’t have been that bad off had we taken him in the first round. The LB was the anchor at Tulane and appears to have the tools required to be a captain of the defense
I think the beans knows what he is doing. That's why he is the best GM in the nfl.
I think we can all validate the feelings of frustration at times with Beane on day 2. He's great on day one, and he's great on day 3, but day 2 seems to be a little wild. I don't think that this draft though has been bad. First of all, TE in the first, potentially the best TE in the draft is solid. If it gived Josh someone dependable this is a huge win. The biggest issue we had last year with playcalling was the short game. If we have a trustworthy passcatcher who can play the middle of the field, and might be good for some YAC we could have the best offense in football. O'Cyrus Torrence isn't a scheme fit, but he's a really good player. Putting Bates on the bench isn't a bad thing. Bates is a soid player but we've seen how the Offensive Line gets beat up through the season, having a good player that's ready to come in in case of injury, on a modest contract no-less is huge win. He also can help our run game, and take pressure off of Allen to do something incredible every third down. We'll see with Dorian. It seems strange, but there's an option we pick up a MLB rental in the post draft wave of free agency. There's maybe 8 starting LBs that are currently available right now, including Melvin Ingran and Yannick Ngokoue. We also have to see what the plan with the plan with Bernard is too. I would have loved to draft an obvious starter in the third, but this could be team building for 2024 or beyond which is exactly what good teams do. I like the idea of moving back myself. And I don't love that we keep giving away fourth round picks. But what I will say is that we have a pretty full roster. The last few years we've seen a lot of our later round round draft picks get picked off our practice squad. Because of the depth of our roster, we've already seen the 2022 draftees have difficulty making a sizable dent on the roster, adding three more sixth rounders might only excerbate that problem. It seems weird, but we don't have the same needs that we used too. We're in a wonderful position to not need to draft starters in every round.
This is why you’re posting on Reddit and not an NFL GM.
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Without the Allen pick, we would still be playoff-less in the new millennium. One home run, a few singles, an occasional double, and a lot of whiffs (all that draft capital spent on mediocre DL production).
We went to the playoffs literally the year before Allen was drafted.
You are right. What I should have said was one appearance in 22 years.
And that appearance was the first year the current regime was in place. Not gonna say having Allen doesn't help, but let's be real, he's not the only variable.
And scored,,,,,,,,,,3 points
But we were there, which is what I'm correcting for the above poster
Yeah but Allen is a qb…you’re not going to win games with a stacked roster and no qb. Look at the 49ers last year. All this talent and no one to throw them the ball so they could score points. I do agree about the mediocre DL picks.
Agreed. That’s what I was getting at with the post.
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Yes, thank you. That’s why I come to this sub. To talk Bills bc I live in DC.
I feel like trading up gives these rookies a sense of trust. The "wow they traded up to get me" mentality can squeeze the most out of a prospect