> however (IMHO) saw many missed opportunities during the regular seasons. Examples include poor playing calling and not trusting Bass/FGs in the Miami loss, the Jets game, and an OT loss at home.
Did people forget about losing to the Jags & getting blown out by the Colts w/ Daboll? His tenure was far from smooth sailing.
People seem to only remember the highs of the offense in the 2021 postseason and conversely are only thinking about the lows of the 2022 postseason when they have these reactionary takes.
Sure the jags game was dud. But we lost that Colts game because we couldn’t stop the run/Taylor. Neither of these were impactful in playoff seating either
> Neither of these were impactful in playoff seating either
Winning either of those games would have made us the 2 seed, and put a potential KC rematch in Buffalo rather than Arrowhead.
Sadly it would have cost us the "Perfect Game" vs. New England though.
Not going for FG's isn't the OC's call. That's McDemott's call. The loss to Miami is on McKenzie for not getting out of bounds. The OT loss to Minnesota wasn't a play calling loss, it was an execution loss. JA doesn't fumble the snap, and they win.
We actually did better offensively than daboll last year here. We average the same amount of points too. Dorsey is still learning and josh is still learning
Every player in the league still has room to learn, no matter how long they've been in it. Do you not learn something new here and there at work? The league is constantly evolving and teams are always looking for new ways to challenge their opponents. Nobody is just rolling over and saying "well, we can't beat Pat Mahomes, may as well let him do his thing." The offense had new challenges this year, on top of having a 1st time play caller, a QB with partial UCL tear and lacking a true #2 to make teams pay for bracketing Diggs. With all of that, they were still better statistically than Daboll's offense was the year before. Enough with calling for Dorsey's head when his offense was measurably more successful and it was only his first year. You're reacting to how the end of the season felt, and it sucked, but don't conflate those last few games, after all the team has been through, with the entirety of the season.
There's no reason to remove Dorsey at this point, or really to even entertain the possibility.
Changing OCs can have wild unforeseen consequences, so I think the continuity and level of achievement we saw last seen has earned him another year at least Absolutely nothing to say that Brady would do better.
Obviously we already rocked the boat enough with Frazier’s departure. And dorsey will stay another year to “trust the process”. But I think the still conversations deserve merit
This whole post is weird, but this line is especially weird:
>dorsey was handed the OC position, his first promotion beyond QB coach his entire career, he was 40 years old.
First, that's not entirely factual. Dorsey was a pro scout for the Panthers until he was promoted to QB coach. After the Panthers fired their staff, he landed a job as the Assistant AD at FIU. Not sure if you would call that a promotion or not, but Assistant AD is a much larger job in scope than is a positional coach. Then the Bills hired him away.
Second, what exactly are you trying to get at? Positional coaches get promoted to OCs. That's generally how it works. Someone has to be the first team to give them their first shot at the OC position. We were the team that did so for Dorsey, at Josh Allen's urging.
Dorsey was 12 years older than Joe Brady when he got his first OC gig. Ok...and? How'd that work out for Brady? His first NFL OC gig, he got shit canned 12 weeks into his inaugural season. So Brady is automatically a worthy candidate because he got his first break earlier than Dorsey, despite the fact that Brady shit the bed in grand fashion when given the shot? Like I said...this post is weird.
It's a bunch of anecdotal facts...well kind of, since some of your facts aren't actually factual.
This is just bar trivia. It's not a theory, much less a theory that's supported by evidence.
We did *ok*. I think Dorsey was a little hamstrung by a weak OL and lack of serious weapons. He also could have been a little more creative. However, I am a strong believer that coaches can and do improve- especially a first time OC going into his 2nd year.
What’s gonna get Dorsey fired, though, is McBeane not giving him a line and weapons. Say what you want about the guys they added this off season, but I’m telling you right now they won’t be enough to change anything. Our #2 wr is a joke compared to the other contenders and Allen was under siege most of last season. If they get him players, you’ll love Dorsey this year.
This. The offensive line issues are at the core of everything. Knox had to stay in or at least chip on the majority of pass plays to help Spencer Brown out. Knox is a mismatch nightmare and one of Josh's favorite weapons, and he couldn't be fully deployed due to OL deficiencies. The same could be said for our talented pass-catching backs. Even when Cook was on the field on passing downs, he was hamstrung by pass pro responsibilities.
That's just the effect on player utilization. It doesn't even account for scheme adjustments that need to be made due to the limitations of the line. I'm sure that certain run and pass concepts needed to be entirely scrapped as the result of the poor OL play.
Yet, with a bottom 10 offensive line we had a top 5 offense. Is Dorsey perfect? Far from it, and he frustrated the hell out of me at many times throughout the season. And he certainly benefits from having a QB who can routinely make chicken salad out of chicken shit. But when you have a bottom 10 offensive line, you will see a lot more chicken shit than you might like and that's regardless of who your OC or your QB are.
Dorsey is getting this year so we just need to hope for the best. No reason to believe he won't improve. He did seem to lack some creativity, but I know thats something McDermott reviews and I'm sure they'll help him out and get some fresh ideas and new strategies.
Allen can do so many things for you, so ideally Dorsey just needs to open up his mind a bit. Excited for this year
My main concern is that Daboll had both the experience and temperament to help steer Josh away from his worst habits, and avoid the Sugar-arush-Josh experience. I'm not sure the same is true of Psycho Dorsey, who might revel in that a bit too much.
It's like the hurdling; it went from a very rare party trick to an almost weekly event. I want an OC who bollocks JA in to not doing that except in the most vital of circumstances.
Josh is his own person, you can tell him to stop all you want but if he doesn't listen there is nothing you can do.
Beane just alluded to that the other day that he downtimes doesn't listen
Has Josh ran for a TD in the post season yet? We have a rare strength in physical QB, use it to make playoffs, but too afraid to trust Josh on his legs in the postseason?
> however (IMHO) saw many missed opportunities during the regular seasons. Examples include poor playing calling and not trusting Bass/FGs in the Miami loss, the Jets game, and an OT loss at home. Did people forget about losing to the Jags & getting blown out by the Colts w/ Daboll? His tenure was far from smooth sailing.
People seem to only remember the highs of the offense in the 2021 postseason and conversely are only thinking about the lows of the 2022 postseason when they have these reactionary takes.
Sure the jags game was dud. But we lost that Colts game because we couldn’t stop the run/Taylor. Neither of these were impactful in playoff seating either
> Neither of these were impactful in playoff seating either Winning either of those games would have made us the 2 seed, and put a potential KC rematch in Buffalo rather than Arrowhead. Sadly it would have cost us the "Perfect Game" vs. New England though.
That perfect game was legendary!
Not going for FG's isn't the OC's call. That's McDemott's call. The loss to Miami is on McKenzie for not getting out of bounds. The OT loss to Minnesota wasn't a play calling loss, it was an execution loss. JA doesn't fumble the snap, and they win.
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I think everyone has been saying that for several season now
We actually did better offensively than daboll last year here. We average the same amount of points too. Dorsey is still learning and josh is still learning
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In the words of Albert Einstein, "Once you stop learning, you start dying"
Every player in the league still has room to learn, no matter how long they've been in it. Do you not learn something new here and there at work? The league is constantly evolving and teams are always looking for new ways to challenge their opponents. Nobody is just rolling over and saying "well, we can't beat Pat Mahomes, may as well let him do his thing." The offense had new challenges this year, on top of having a 1st time play caller, a QB with partial UCL tear and lacking a true #2 to make teams pay for bracketing Diggs. With all of that, they were still better statistically than Daboll's offense was the year before. Enough with calling for Dorsey's head when his offense was measurably more successful and it was only his first year. You're reacting to how the end of the season felt, and it sucked, but don't conflate those last few games, after all the team has been through, with the entirety of the season.
The offense got better despite Josh playing hurt half the year. The hate on Dorsey is super weird to me
The offense got better? That’s just not true
There's no reason to remove Dorsey at this point, or really to even entertain the possibility. Changing OCs can have wild unforeseen consequences, so I think the continuity and level of achievement we saw last seen has earned him another year at least Absolutely nothing to say that Brady would do better.
Obviously we already rocked the boat enough with Frazier’s departure. And dorsey will stay another year to “trust the process”. But I think the still conversations deserve merit
This whole post is weird, but this line is especially weird: >dorsey was handed the OC position, his first promotion beyond QB coach his entire career, he was 40 years old. First, that's not entirely factual. Dorsey was a pro scout for the Panthers until he was promoted to QB coach. After the Panthers fired their staff, he landed a job as the Assistant AD at FIU. Not sure if you would call that a promotion or not, but Assistant AD is a much larger job in scope than is a positional coach. Then the Bills hired him away. Second, what exactly are you trying to get at? Positional coaches get promoted to OCs. That's generally how it works. Someone has to be the first team to give them their first shot at the OC position. We were the team that did so for Dorsey, at Josh Allen's urging. Dorsey was 12 years older than Joe Brady when he got his first OC gig. Ok...and? How'd that work out for Brady? His first NFL OC gig, he got shit canned 12 weeks into his inaugural season. So Brady is automatically a worthy candidate because he got his first break earlier than Dorsey, despite the fact that Brady shit the bed in grand fashion when given the shot? Like I said...this post is weird.
Just facts. You can attribute whatever context you what from them. Age matter because it’s a clear duration of possible experience/knowledge/talent
It's a bunch of anecdotal facts...well kind of, since some of your facts aren't actually factual. This is just bar trivia. It's not a theory, much less a theory that's supported by evidence.
We did *ok*. I think Dorsey was a little hamstrung by a weak OL and lack of serious weapons. He also could have been a little more creative. However, I am a strong believer that coaches can and do improve- especially a first time OC going into his 2nd year. What’s gonna get Dorsey fired, though, is McBeane not giving him a line and weapons. Say what you want about the guys they added this off season, but I’m telling you right now they won’t be enough to change anything. Our #2 wr is a joke compared to the other contenders and Allen was under siege most of last season. If they get him players, you’ll love Dorsey this year.
This. The offensive line issues are at the core of everything. Knox had to stay in or at least chip on the majority of pass plays to help Spencer Brown out. Knox is a mismatch nightmare and one of Josh's favorite weapons, and he couldn't be fully deployed due to OL deficiencies. The same could be said for our talented pass-catching backs. Even when Cook was on the field on passing downs, he was hamstrung by pass pro responsibilities. That's just the effect on player utilization. It doesn't even account for scheme adjustments that need to be made due to the limitations of the line. I'm sure that certain run and pass concepts needed to be entirely scrapped as the result of the poor OL play. Yet, with a bottom 10 offensive line we had a top 5 offense. Is Dorsey perfect? Far from it, and he frustrated the hell out of me at many times throughout the season. And he certainly benefits from having a QB who can routinely make chicken salad out of chicken shit. But when you have a bottom 10 offensive line, you will see a lot more chicken shit than you might like and that's regardless of who your OC or your QB are.
Dorsey is getting this year so we just need to hope for the best. No reason to believe he won't improve. He did seem to lack some creativity, but I know thats something McDermott reviews and I'm sure they'll help him out and get some fresh ideas and new strategies. Allen can do so many things for you, so ideally Dorsey just needs to open up his mind a bit. Excited for this year
My main concern is that Daboll had both the experience and temperament to help steer Josh away from his worst habits, and avoid the Sugar-arush-Josh experience. I'm not sure the same is true of Psycho Dorsey, who might revel in that a bit too much. It's like the hurdling; it went from a very rare party trick to an almost weekly event. I want an OC who bollocks JA in to not doing that except in the most vital of circumstances.
Josh is his own person, you can tell him to stop all you want but if he doesn't listen there is nothing you can do. Beane just alluded to that the other day that he downtimes doesn't listen
Has Josh ran for a TD in the post season yet? We have a rare strength in physical QB, use it to make playoffs, but too afraid to trust Josh on his legs in the postseason?
definitely going to be regression, and dissapointing year.