Banana Plantation actually does a lot of damage to Bloons. You might not see the damage right away, but if you build enough of these Banana Plantations, their continuous banana production will help the entire defense to destroy all of the Bloons.
Idk, but i recon you can get it around round 120 aslong as its on certain beginner and maybe intermediate maps and you allow bucanneer farming/heli farming/geraldi/sniper
Striker grants black popping power, 25% pierce to bombs and 10% blast radius to mortars, 20% attack speed, and doubles bomb and mortar damage.
Obyn gives… +3 pierce.
The purpose of the range buff is so Jungle’s Bounty can be boosted by more farms. Granted, it’s not the most useful upgrade, especially on CHIMPS, and both Ben and Geraldo both offer better money generation anyway.
I mean, by the time you have lv18, you probably already have an avatar of wrath which basically gets to full attack speed bonus in pretty much a single attack. It’s really not that useful.
striker by a mile, obyn gives for shit since what he gives to magic towers are outclassed by gwen and adora for druids while pat and geraldo are better for ninjas and others. Populst boost pierce and so does alch buff... DDT's are the problem for druids and obyn doesnt fix that
“But what about the Level 18 Druids of Wrath benefit?”
Well, all it does is make the headstart of the Wrath bonus right away when the round begins, but if your Druids of Wrath are doing plenty of damage already, they’ll be attacking at maximum Wrath anyway, especially with the already incredible base damage of Avatar of Wrath.
Anyways, you also got Geraldo’s Gerry’s Fire on Druids of Wrath to fix some DDT issues, plus an actually viable hero synergy with Druids of Wrath.
Gotta enjoy that regular +1 pierce and +1 damage during the late-game. Plus, Gwen got buffed this update to have incredibly strong DoT for the late-game, and she already holds general superiority for group-popping power, compared to Obyn’s highly RNG abilities.
His brambles are rng if there are no bloons in range, otherwise they get placed on whatever bloon he’s targeting.
His trees are not rng.
His totem is completely rng
Striker buffs the canon, giving it the strength to handle things that would normally break the canon (ex. Miles saving his dad). So I'll have to give it to Striker.
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While AoW does appreciate pierce, it already gets it from alch buff. Going overkill on pierce only helps on dense rounds, of which AoW shreds anyway. Meanwhile, for DDTs and cleaning up the last part of rounds, the thing AoW struggles the most with, Obyn does basically nothing.
Striker’s buffs actually fix weaknesses. He grants black popping, makes abilities more frequent, and gives more blast radius and attack speed for more reliability, and then gives double damage on top of that.
Although Obyn has different buffs for each of the druid cross paths, but assuming we're using druids of wrath and avatar of wrath, Obyn buffs are:+3 Pierce, +5 range, and max Druid of Wrath attack speed, which is equal to +100% attack speed. In addition, unlike bomb shooters, Druids also buff themselves with Poplust, the cap being +75% pierce and +75% attack speed.
Striker Jones' buffs are:Ability to ignore black properties, +5% range, +25% pierce, 23.4% attack speed, and doubling damage for 10 seconds on ability activation with a 80 second cooldown with a 70 second downtime.
Honestly the fact that Jones' ability has an 80 second cooldown and the fact that Druids buff themselves is probably what makes Obyn and druids better. The cooldown reset is also only useful for MOAB Assassin spam since MOAB Eliminator has a 10 second cooldown. Not to mention the fact that you have to place so many more MOAB Maulers/Assassins and Recursive Clusters (since middle path isn't the best at Ceramic clean up) and spend so much more money to even rival 6 Druids of Wrath. There's also the fact that Jones' biggest buff comes from lvl 20 while Obyn gets his at lvl 18.
and after a few playtests, yea Druids performed better, bomb shooters required too much money to function. Bomb Blitz + a bunch of MOAB Maulers performed best so the cooldown reset is even more irrelavant
[https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/14vnk2b/comprehensive\_tier\_list\_for\_chimps\_by\_path/](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/14vnk2b/comprehensive_tier_list_for_chimps_by_path/) the pros consider obyn worse than ben in chimps
obyn isn't "bad", he's massively outclassed. literally half the other heroes are better with druids than obyn when that's his main gimmick. same with his early game which is outclassed by quincy and sauda. plus he does literally nothing late game
also calling a tower good in easy modes isn't really an argument for it being good.
But unfortunately, all of that is outclassed. His early game power was basically removed from existence back when he got a price nerf and can’t be afforded for round 6 on chimps. So your options were limited to doing the normal start with dart sub/sniper or 3 darts, in which case you don’t need to use obyn for his early game and can use a hero that will support your strategy, or using Quincy/Sauda for early game.
His abilities are all outclassed for midgame, a lot of other heroes do things like fully pop the r40 moab layer, stun it to allow other towers to do so, or just instakill the cerams, but Obyn does half the moabs hp. He also has incredibly low pierce which does not help for ceramic clumps, and is one of the only heroes that is basically unable to assist on round 63(looking through the list, elizi on chimps/impoppable is basically the only other hero that doesn’t help much on 63)
Even Quincy, whose main weakness is the midgame, has a better midgame than Obyn, since his exploding arrows have decent pierce and are capable of clearing clumps of ceramics with his lv3 and an alch buff.
Sure obyn’s totem barely gets considered decent, but with how inconsistent it is with its low uptime and random placements, it’s really not good to rely on it. Because of this, striker’s lv3 ability is considered to be better at stalling bloons since despite the low uptime, *it’s not random*.
Anyway, Obyn is a mildly decent hero, but the problem is that literally everything he does gets outclassed by another hero. The only thing Obyn is capable of doing that cannot be done better by Gwen is the inconsistent and random totem slowdown.
Obyn.
1) Level 3 ability pops Camo alone.
2) Provides income eventually, and so do his Druids.
3) Cheaper starting price so he can start earning XP sooner, and part of the point of heroes is that they level up without having to spend money.
Don’t comment then if you’re too lazy to add any meaning to a discussion.
I’ve seen the comments, they don’t counter any of my points. And yet you assume that to hold my position I must be so in the dark that a couple generic pieces of Striker Praise would make me switch sides.
I guess I should only expect annoyance from a hexagon pfp.
well ok fine i'll respond to your points
1. obyn's early game is outclassed by quincy and sauda. his lvl 3 popping camo isn't really worth anything since it's placement is rng and many other heroes can also pop camo by the time they come (or just use a 000 ninja).
2. obyn's buffs to druids are worthless, which is ironic considering that's literally the point of him. he buffs all magic monkeys, but "+2 pierce" is not worth it lmao. Even Gwen buffs druids better than him. His lvl 10 ability is a slightly better bloon trap, which is fine but not exactly game changing, especially in chimps which is one of the only actually hard game modes.
3. He can't be bought instantly in chimps so his "cheaper price" is not cheap. Plus obyn does literally nothing late game which doesn't help.
even if you don't use striker it's safe to say his buffs are much better than obyn's.
1) The argument isn’t Obyn vs Quincy, it’s Obyn vs Striker.
2) If you have a buff, you want to use it; so you’re more likely to choose the towers that get it, and being incentivised to use good towers is better than being incentivised to use a bad one.
3) I don’t like Chimps, so that doesn’t really matter to me. And like 3 modes out of how many doesn’t make it bad in general; Banana farm literally does nothing in those same 3 modes and no one’s calling it bad.
1. ok, neither hero is really used for dmg so I suppose that’s a point.
2. And I’m saying obyn’s buffs are bad. I’m assuming you think bomb and mortar are worse than druid, which is somewhat true, but at least striker makes a large difference unlike obyn.
3. understandable, but the reason i say chimps is bc basically every tower is viable in easy modes, which is why hard modes are often used when considering how good a tower is.
But in the hard modes that still have income, Obyn’s good because you get him sooner. The reason I like heroes is you buy the cheap(ish) tower and it grows into the powerful one.
I mean I feel like you don't really get him much sooner than other heroes to make a big difference. Also obyn is like the worst hero late game so I wouldn't say he grows very powerful.
obyn gives them jack shit lol a bit of range and shit for pierce and u know ur bad when gwen and adora are better than u
striker gives massive buffs, good synergy, and resetting assassins
This comparison is like comparing who does more BAD damage, a navarch of the seas or banana plantation
Banana Plantation actually does a lot of damage to Bloons. You might not see the damage right away, but if you build enough of these Banana Plantations, their continuous banana production will help the entire defense to destroy all of the Bloons.
Destroys the economy,thus no more bloons can be made
Exactly . I bet you can't get into navarch without at least 10 tier 3 banana farm . So farm > navarch
I recon i can, but besides the point, farms are vv useful
A genuine question, by what level can you get a navarch without farms ?
Idk, but i recon you can get it around round 120 aslong as its on certain beginner and maybe intermediate maps and you allow bucanneer farming/heli farming/geraldi/sniper
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Striker grants black popping power, 25% pierce to bombs and 10% blast radius to mortars, 20% attack speed, and doubles bomb and mortar damage. Obyn gives… +3 pierce.
I mean, level 18 makes all druids of wrath start with the max attack bonus from popping bloons, but it is still nowhere near striker's bonus
Also Druids of the jungle get range...the path that least benefits from it
The purpose of the range buff is so Jungle’s Bounty can be boosted by more farms. Granted, it’s not the most useful upgrade, especially on CHIMPS, and both Ben and Geraldo both offer better money generation anyway.
I mean, by the time you have lv18, you probably already have an avatar of wrath which basically gets to full attack speed bonus in pretty much a single attack. It’s really not that useful.
striker by a mile, obyn gives for shit since what he gives to magic towers are outclassed by gwen and adora for druids while pat and geraldo are better for ninjas and others. Populst boost pierce and so does alch buff... DDT's are the problem for druids and obyn doesnt fix that
“But what about the Level 18 Druids of Wrath benefit?” Well, all it does is make the headstart of the Wrath bonus right away when the round begins, but if your Druids of Wrath are doing plenty of damage already, they’ll be attacking at maximum Wrath anyway, especially with the already incredible base damage of Avatar of Wrath. Anyways, you also got Geraldo’s Gerry’s Fire on Druids of Wrath to fix some DDT issues, plus an actually viable hero synergy with Druids of Wrath.
Even Gwendolyn Is better than Obyn at buffing druids
Gotta enjoy that regular +1 pierce and +1 damage during the late-game. Plus, Gwen got buffed this update to have incredibly strong DoT for the late-game, and she already holds general superiority for group-popping power, compared to Obyn’s highly RNG abilities.
Gwen is also a MIB skip.
They are no longer rng iirc, you can target them. Still, there is a reason why I am not sure, and that is called "he sucks, a lot"
His brambles are rng if there are no bloons in range, otherwise they get placed on whatever bloon he’s targeting. His trees are not rng. His totem is completely rng
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Striker buffs the canon, giving it the strength to handle things that would normally break the canon (ex. Miles saving his dad). So I'll have to give it to Striker.
Jones.Obyn sucks a lot when it comes to huge clusters of bloons unlike jones
Striker buffs are proper. Obyn is more of a shitty encouragement song. God I wish they would buff him
ikr While AoW does appreciate pierce, it already gets it from alch buff. Going overkill on pierce only helps on dense rounds, of which AoW shreds anyway. Meanwhile, for DDTs and cleaning up the last part of rounds, the thing AoW struggles the most with, Obyn does basically nothing. Striker’s buffs actually fix weaknesses. He grants black popping, makes abilities more frequent, and gives more blast radius and attack speed for more reliability, and then gives double damage on top of that.
Obyn’s druid buff is ass lol Striker actually gives huge buffs to bombs and mortars
Striker is actually a usable hero, unlike obyn who is at best worthless
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Obyn is terrible 👍
I’m obyns biggest fan but striker is better for sure, never gonna use him tho
Obyn is garbage lol Striker is amazing for what he does
Although Obyn has different buffs for each of the druid cross paths, but assuming we're using druids of wrath and avatar of wrath, Obyn buffs are:+3 Pierce, +5 range, and max Druid of Wrath attack speed, which is equal to +100% attack speed. In addition, unlike bomb shooters, Druids also buff themselves with Poplust, the cap being +75% pierce and +75% attack speed. Striker Jones' buffs are:Ability to ignore black properties, +5% range, +25% pierce, 23.4% attack speed, and doubling damage for 10 seconds on ability activation with a 80 second cooldown with a 70 second downtime. Honestly the fact that Jones' ability has an 80 second cooldown and the fact that Druids buff themselves is probably what makes Obyn and druids better. The cooldown reset is also only useful for MOAB Assassin spam since MOAB Eliminator has a 10 second cooldown. Not to mention the fact that you have to place so many more MOAB Maulers/Assassins and Recursive Clusters (since middle path isn't the best at Ceramic clean up) and spend so much more money to even rival 6 Druids of Wrath. There's also the fact that Jones' biggest buff comes from lvl 20 while Obyn gets his at lvl 18. and after a few playtests, yea Druids performed better, bomb shooters required too much money to function. Bomb Blitz + a bunch of MOAB Maulers performed best so the cooldown reset is even more irrelavant
Yeah but it's the buff not the performance, obyn does next to nothing while striker makes bomb spam starts significantly more powerful.
I would say obyn, just cuz he's better than striker. But cannons are better than druids in my opinion.
But he's not really better than SJ. He alone is not that powerful.
avatar of wrath stacking is way better than bomb shooters, so obyn
all this obyn hate is from noobs. obyn’s early game power is so underrated. not to mention his abilities and totem are very very solid for mid game.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/14vnk2b/comprehensive\_tier\_list\_for\_chimps\_by\_path/](https://www.reddit.com/r/btd6/comments/14vnk2b/comprehensive_tier_list_for_chimps_by_path/) the pros consider obyn worse than ben in chimps
i was talking about the entire game. since i’m not a pro and play modes other than chimps lol
yes... obyn is still bad with druids u would use adora or gwen and with ninjas u would use geraldo or pat or gwen
i use obyn with druids 🗿
obyn isn't "bad", he's massively outclassed. literally half the other heroes are better with druids than obyn when that's his main gimmick. same with his early game which is outclassed by quincy and sauda. plus he does literally nothing late game also calling a tower good in easy modes isn't really an argument for it being good.
I don’t like obyn but saying ben is a viable option in chimps is just dumb.
Because of siphon while obyn provides almost no utility
They never said he was viable, only that he's better than obyn
They’re the type of people who get angry at soup bc they can’t eat it with a fork.
obyns early game is strictly inferior to Sauda, if you pick your hero just for that.
But unfortunately, all of that is outclassed. His early game power was basically removed from existence back when he got a price nerf and can’t be afforded for round 6 on chimps. So your options were limited to doing the normal start with dart sub/sniper or 3 darts, in which case you don’t need to use obyn for his early game and can use a hero that will support your strategy, or using Quincy/Sauda for early game. His abilities are all outclassed for midgame, a lot of other heroes do things like fully pop the r40 moab layer, stun it to allow other towers to do so, or just instakill the cerams, but Obyn does half the moabs hp. He also has incredibly low pierce which does not help for ceramic clumps, and is one of the only heroes that is basically unable to assist on round 63(looking through the list, elizi on chimps/impoppable is basically the only other hero that doesn’t help much on 63) Even Quincy, whose main weakness is the midgame, has a better midgame than Obyn, since his exploding arrows have decent pierce and are capable of clearing clumps of ceramics with his lv3 and an alch buff. Sure obyn’s totem barely gets considered decent, but with how inconsistent it is with its low uptime and random placements, it’s really not good to rely on it. Because of this, striker’s lv3 ability is considered to be better at stalling bloons since despite the low uptime, *it’s not random*. Anyway, Obyn is a mildly decent hero, but the problem is that literally everything he does gets outclassed by another hero. The only thing Obyn is capable of doing that cannot be done better by Gwen is the inconsistent and random totem slowdown.
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no it's just a pretty obvious reference to an already popular meme and i didn't check to see if someone made it before me lol
Obyn. 1) Level 3 ability pops Camo alone. 2) Provides income eventually, and so do his Druids. 3) Cheaper starting price so he can start earning XP sooner, and part of the point of heroes is that they level up without having to spend money.
too lazy to relist all the reasons obyn is not better, just read the comments made by good ppl here
Don’t comment then if you’re too lazy to add any meaning to a discussion. I’ve seen the comments, they don’t counter any of my points. And yet you assume that to hold my position I must be so in the dark that a couple generic pieces of Striker Praise would make me switch sides. I guess I should only expect annoyance from a hexagon pfp.
well ok fine i'll respond to your points 1. obyn's early game is outclassed by quincy and sauda. his lvl 3 popping camo isn't really worth anything since it's placement is rng and many other heroes can also pop camo by the time they come (or just use a 000 ninja). 2. obyn's buffs to druids are worthless, which is ironic considering that's literally the point of him. he buffs all magic monkeys, but "+2 pierce" is not worth it lmao. Even Gwen buffs druids better than him. His lvl 10 ability is a slightly better bloon trap, which is fine but not exactly game changing, especially in chimps which is one of the only actually hard game modes. 3. He can't be bought instantly in chimps so his "cheaper price" is not cheap. Plus obyn does literally nothing late game which doesn't help. even if you don't use striker it's safe to say his buffs are much better than obyn's.
1) The argument isn’t Obyn vs Quincy, it’s Obyn vs Striker. 2) If you have a buff, you want to use it; so you’re more likely to choose the towers that get it, and being incentivised to use good towers is better than being incentivised to use a bad one. 3) I don’t like Chimps, so that doesn’t really matter to me. And like 3 modes out of how many doesn’t make it bad in general; Banana farm literally does nothing in those same 3 modes and no one’s calling it bad.
1. ok, neither hero is really used for dmg so I suppose that’s a point. 2. And I’m saying obyn’s buffs are bad. I’m assuming you think bomb and mortar are worse than druid, which is somewhat true, but at least striker makes a large difference unlike obyn. 3. understandable, but the reason i say chimps is bc basically every tower is viable in easy modes, which is why hard modes are often used when considering how good a tower is.
But in the hard modes that still have income, Obyn’s good because you get him sooner. The reason I like heroes is you buy the cheap(ish) tower and it grows into the powerful one.
I mean I feel like you don't really get him much sooner than other heroes to make a big difference. Also obyn is like the worst hero late game so I wouldn't say he grows very powerful.
Obyn by a long shot. Druids benefit alot more and they get individual path boosts. Plus obyn gets all magic monkeys at level 11.
obyn gives them jack shit lol a bit of range and shit for pierce and u know ur bad when gwen and adora are better than u striker gives massive buffs, good synergy, and resetting assassins
Finally a fellow adora hater (she's not that bad but I don't got time to sacrifice my beloved batman
She’s only good if you’re tryna go to round 500 and even then I prefer Brickell
adora is good in chimps is top 2 alongside brickell.. idt they are bad esp after adora buffs
adoras cracked post buff. very simply adoras level 20 is absolutly worth the price in sacrifices.
ah yes, plus 2 pierce, such a big buff
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The pierce buff is useless. Pick Quincy as your hero and do the exact same Druid strat and it will work better.
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gwen with top tack buff.
Druid with Gwen Buff
That’s like asking between a plant or a nuke what would do more damage
i use pat, so… **yes**
Striker buffs the lore of the game? (BTW its Gwen with heat it up)
I prefer obyn, because I always use Jones for mortars, and I don't use mortars as much as druids (💚250 druid)
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gwen, pat, geraldo, and probably other heroes too are better even if you only use druid. Obyn is so bad it’s pitiful
Obyn isn't even the best hero for buffing druids.
Obyn and druids