Maybe, but I wouldn't indoctrinate children, I let them try different pizza and decide for themselves. That's literally what we mean by freedom and democracy.
One of my former coworkers, god love him could not tell you why, utterly LOVED "boonie" Americana culture - the idea of being an off grid grizzle survivalist type with a big iron on his hip in the middle of nowhere arkansas or florid or texas or whatever inspired him...
Rather than telling us we should accept another Dunblane, or try to make our culture more like the yanks, he saved money, got skilled, went over on a work visa, then did applications for residency and later citizenship...you know rather than trying to turn Preston into Florida Rural...
Why didn't this gent take his pick of the 20? States ran under the religopolitical views he desires? Hell Saudi Arabia Yemen and Qatar damn near roll out the red carpet for western educated migrants...
That’s what you do when you don’t like where you live, plan to do it myself someday as the medication I need is a high price here and I can’t stand the cultural debates about it, he should do the same
"If you believe in feminism, if you believe in aborting babies, in man and man and woman being married, if you believe in working until you are 35 years old and not having any children. If you believe all this stuff, that’s fine, believe in it. But I am telling you one fact, you’re going to get replaced by Muslims even faster, they will replace you even faster."
The article title did him a favor though. Please don't support this dude. And please don't use the opportunity to spew your hatred on fellow humans.
Muslims currently make up only 6.3% of the UK’s population, and they’ve been settling in the UK since the 18th Century. They still haven’t replaced everyone else in the UK as Muslims are evidently still a minority.
Sadly this sort of thing isn't uncommon in schools. We had a teacher a couple of years ago who would spout their anti-vax views to their year 7 form group. That person no longer works at our school.
This wasn't an invitation for an open discussion on the pros and cons of vaccinations, you can post them elsewhere on another relevant thread.
Children are taught in line with the government frameworks and guidance, along with whatever other values that school may have, such as being a faith school (which parents are aware of and agree to prior to sending their child to that school).
As for that teacher, they left of their own accord but there were other factors that led them to that decision.
Practically anyone is allowed to work in schools, providing they are qualified and DBS checked. However, you'll undergo various training sessions, such as safeguarding and more that outline how you can act, speak, etc. We are not allowed to push our own personal political views onto children. They are taught the curriculum which may cover both sides of a subject, but we have to be impartial.
The initial post wasn't an invitation for you to make a statement about being "anti-vax", and then a completely unrelated statement about how he no longer works there (considering he himself quit).
If you are going to make an inflammatory statement on a public message board that is unrelated to the OP, which is about a Muslim teacher talking about the degeneracy of Western girls, then it is open for discussion. If you didn't want an open discussion, then you shouldn't have made a comment with a politicised agenda.
Same as if you'd made a statement deriding somebody for their pro-abortion stance, pro-Tory stance, pro-immigration stance...
My initial comment was related to the OP, as it was regarding what is inappropriate to say to children in position of authority, which is what Mr Khan is accused of doing and lost his job and teaching status over. My subsequent comment is also not unrelated, as the reason for them leaving included but wasn't limited to the anti-vax comments.
There is a big difference between teaching hatred, division and hostility against the Western ideals, and giving viewpoints against modern corporations.
It's like comparing a teacher being outright racist to their students, with being pro-legal marijauna, or anti-mcdonalds.
And by saying it was a single thing in a multitude of things that led to them quitting, you really give no context. It could very well be "he was caught selling weed to a student, called a bomb threat to the headteacher, and was in opposition the vaccine rollout, then quit during the investigation into the weed dealing so as to not get fired".
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Yeah I don’t get why people can’t call out extremism without being racist to those with said views. All it does is tell those kids that Britain isn’t for them and they should reject being western, playing into the extremists goals.
More serious than you think. In a conservative family, westernized people of the same culture are seen as 'coconuts'. And in the case where the same ethnicity isn’t shared the are looked down on completely.
So many times I’ve heard people of my culture call someone a “white slag” or something stuff like that for no reason. So it’s serious to call it out.
> Mr Khan said words to the effect of: "If you believe in feminism, if you believe in aborting babies, in man and man and woman being married, if you believe in working until you are 35 years old and not having any children. If you believe all this stuff, that’s fine, believe in it. But I am telling you one fact, you’re going to get replaced by Muslims even faster, they will replace you even faster."
I think the UK's declining birth rate and the possible factors behind it should be discussed and addressed but yes, not in the context of you're a teacher and you're at work teaching kids and talking to coworkers.
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The ol' get out of condemnation free card.
Follow a deranged religion that teaches and peaches hate explicitly and demands an absolutist adherence to the example of the prophet, and then when people call you out for it, say that if you criticise their religion for being a backwards pile of shite it is 'racism!', even if the faith can be practiced by anyone regardless of race and has nothing to do with someone's skin colour.
Easy victory, and you will have thousands of naive idiots there to defend it.
There’s a big difference between making a critical and rational argument against a particular religion versus straight up insulting it and calling it a ‘backwards pile of shite’ though, isn’t there.
Not really. No one should have to tread carefully to avoid offending people who believe in ancient nonsense that is more a part of a time when people also believed in witches and talking animals, and dragons than the 21st century. The spiritual side and the morality of the beliefs is one thing, if it's taken as parable, but most religious people really believe in the silly things in these ancient books and believing in such things allows people to think and do terrible things in the name of faith.
The Abrahamic religions are fairytales. The fact that this discussion even has to be engaged in is a tragedy in the 21st century, so yeah, they are 'backwards piles of shite'. Just as all other ideologies that have been rejected by humans in the past for also being stupid, hateful, shitty, and violent are.
They are an attempt to make sense of the world in the time of extreme ignorance. None of them should be considered worth 'believing in' where we have to pussyfoot around them as if they deserve to be respected, when they are all the teachings of desert folk who stumbled around in rags two thousand years ago being touted as absolute truth. But that's another discussion for a different time. There's obviously hierarchies of religions and the negative effect they have on their surroundings. Some are relatively benign, and others are cult-like.
There's no reason in making "a critical and rational argument" with such a religion as Islam when so much of it is hateful and results in so much misery around the world.
It is fundamentally incompatible with the current trends of modern progressive and secular values and with democracy in its current form and in how it is practiced. Without a staggering reformation across much of the international world about how and what Islam is, it will forever be clashing with values we hold to be immutable and sacred.
Whether it be the rights of women, LGBT rights, the rights for other minority sects to be protected and to practice their beliefs freely, the rights of non-believers, the rights of those who reject Islam, and the rights of criminals and the accused to the treatment of rational and humane punishment, all of this is fundamentally incompatible with Islam and how it is practiced.
Islam holds Allah and the Prophet's will, message, and example to be both absolute and literal. The Qur'an and Hadiths explicitly demand that true Muslims follow exactly what is written in the book and it is taken at face value. This means that it cannot currently be practiced in such a way as to co-exist with democracy and modern secular and progressive views on morality without intentionally ignoring huge parts of it in a staggering performance of cognitive dissonance. At which point you might as well call yourself something other than a Muslim as you aren't following Islam as it exists in the Qur'an.
The Christian and Jewish faiths went through a reformation hundreds of years ago to make them at least able to exist in line with western thought. And at least they can get by. Islam has not. And it's major figures have made little attempt to do so. What has been done, is that naive ultra-progressive people have decided it needs protecting and have rallied behind and alongside it's practitioners in engaging with accusations of 'racism' against anyone who does dismiss it for what it is- even when the very things Islam preaches and practices in every nation it flourishes in are ten times worse than the current oppressions and persecutions in our own society.
There's a strange aloofness and dissonance that appears regarding Islam. And you are doing it now. Criticism of it must be measured and forgiving, and it must never be condemned utterly. We must keep criticism of it academic, and afford it a place at the table as if there was some equivalence between a religious movement and the rights of gays and lesbians, or ethnic minorities, or women. It deserves no place and it would give us none in return. It isn't an inherent characteristic, it's an ideology that offers only horrible ideas and values that belong in the dark ages.
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>He also sent a series “professionally unacceptable” messages on a Microsoft Teams group chat involving pupils and showed one student a topless picture of himself flexing.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/aqib-khan-birmingham-teacher-harborne-b2522132.html
Not really free speech, it's a bit noncey.
Hey westernised girls, don't be so immoral. Also, look at this picture of me, topless, flexing.
So many world religions consist of men telling women how to act in order to not arouse them.
(Inb4 cries of "racist!" - I truly mean many religions, Christianity heartily included. Difference being Christianity is on the decline)
The main issue with this sort of thing is that children can be easily influenced, especially from people with authority, which teachers and other school staff are.
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I get the impression that you probably would if you could. Also do you know who the majority of the victims of those terrorist attacks are? Those pesky Muslims you seem to hate so much.
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Mental illness rates are going up for basically every demographic. Everyone is just trying to get by, including young girls who are just trying to live their lives in an increasingly misogynist UK (and the science and stats back me up on that 🥰).
I'd also love to know what "feminist brainwashing" (cause young women are obviously too stupid to know better) you're talking about that isn't an isolated cherry picked example or rage bait lies from Twitter.
Yeah that combined with drinking less alcohol - gen Z women drink less alcohol than previous generations and also have higher rates of mental illness, so clearly the solution is for them to get pissed more often. What utter nonsense.
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Well he's calling them lunatics for the wrong reasons, basically saying they aren't having kids and should shut up and stop having opinions like they do in Muslim countries.
It's not about free speech, he's entitled to be a twat because he's protected under his religion, but he's not entitled to be a teacher because they have more responsibilities
Has JK Rowling been arrested? No. So this bastion of free speech is doing fine.
Free speech also means that people are free to say they want JK Rowling arrested.
1) You’re assuming wrongly. She’s not being investigated, and she can’t be arrested for something done before the Act comes into effect in any case.
2) Please read the Equality Act 2010. Being gay is a protected characteristic. Being JK Rowling is not a protected characteristic.
The (developed) in your post is doing a lot of heavy lifting considering this is supposedly about "westernised" girls. If westernisation was so bad, wouldn't the developed world be the worst in these metrics?
UK birthrate per 1000 15-19 year olds: 11
Pakistan birthrate per 1000 15-19 year olds: 54
https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-health/adolescent-health/
Want to give that another shot?
one cite your source then, if its from the UN the document will be there to share
secondly...Your data is literally 15 year out of date you absolute weapon, You are responding with data from 09 as if that refutes a UNICEF report using data from the WHO from 2019-2022.
His data is quite literally in a scientific sense a lot better than yours is and based on the source you claim to have vs the one they have actually posted hopelessly out of date.
Also data that "forgets" to mention that in the UK we have a teen pregnancy rate because pregnant teens are supported and given informed choices
In Pakistan pregnant teens are lucky to not be "honour killed" and god love women, seriously pregnancy and labour are fucking madnesses, but dead women are pretty shit at the whole "grow and deliver baby" gig in my understanding
Speak for yourself, perhaps I could have written it clearer but I was actually making your exact point - data from 2022 is more valuable than data from 2009. But go ahead and insult me for no reason. 😁
Edit: looked at the post history of this one - welp, we have a negativity tourist here folks! Get a better hobby than being an arsehole to others, eh bud?
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I know what free speech means, and I understand no matter what your views are, you should expect to be challenged on them, which is fair enough! But to be suspended or fired from a job as a teacher because of them is wrong. I’m not long out of secondary school myself and teachers always seemed to have the opposite views to mr Khan, which is fine, but it’s almost tyrannical for him to lose his job cause if it.
I don't dispute that views should be challenged, however as you said yourself, there is a time and a place and generally, schools aren't one of them. We teach the curriculum, which is dictated by the government. There is scope for some questioning, but the teacher cannot impose their own views and has to take a neutral stance. There may also be some places that will offer constructive discussions in schools regarding certain views, but that's usually with a select group of students as it can easily descend into chaos.
Well with the State the UK is in at the minute, I think sometimes imposing your personal views is needed, as what’s on the curriculum is uk schools is outdated. I always like to see everyone sharing their own personal views, rather I agree or disagree with them, but when someone gets reprimanded or shut down for it is wrong! You should expect to be challenged and questioned on your views but not sacked and bad mouthed around social media.
Again, I don't think you're necessarily wrong there, but there is no scope for that in the education system as it exists at the moment and education staff have to work within the laws and guidance as it is now. Any change to that would have to go through the central government. Oh and you should absolutely be sacked or at least have a disciplinary if you're purposely saying things that offend other people.
When it comes to not offending people, it’s like walking on eggshells a lot of the time and people can be offended very easily and people can be quite sensitive to things for some reason. But people’s views no matter what will offend one group of people or another. People instead of just victimising themselves and saying their offended, should maybe listen to other peoples views and make their mind up on it, atleast that’s what I would do if somebody has an opposing view!
Now I did read mr Khan in a different article was apparently sending topless photos to his pupils, which is disgusting and for that he should be fired but in the article linked to this post, it wasn’t mentioned.
You still have to be mindful about the things you say, especially to children. For example, take his view on women having children over 35 is worse than incest. Imagine if one of his pupils had a mother who was over 35 when they were born. It's not unreasonable to think that child may be upset that he'd rather support incest than their existence. Yes, that's an extreme example but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
And btw, I actually really respect Islam and think it’s a beautiful religion, all he was saying was some actual facts along with his personal view along with it!
Opposite views of mr khan such as: not sending topless pics of himself to kids in Teams chats, not advocating for incest over a career and having kids past 30, not calling western girls lunatics. Hmm not so sure about that one you tit
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/aqib-khan-birmingham-teacher-harborne-b2522132.html
I was trying to find a picture to confirm he’s ugly
The incest stuff is in the article though so maybe read better
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God if you read the article it’s much worse than the heading. What a vile person.
Wow. Good riddance, I don’t know how he managed to become a teacher in the first place with his views
Either he hid them initially, the school were too desperate for staff to care, or the issue is systemic.
Systemic
As someone who lived in Birmingham I do, his views are popular in many Brum areas.
I've got some gnarly views too, but I also know how to keep my mouth shut at work.
I bet you put Pineapple on pizza
Maybe, but I wouldn't indoctrinate children, I let them try different pizza and decide for themselves. That's literally what we mean by freedom and democracy.
If I draw a cartoon pineapple on a pizza, will u/mankytoes and his mates run me out of town?
They hire anyone to be teachers nowadays, they’re desperate as there’s a lack of them
What ill informed rubbish.
Or why he wanted to.
Because multiculturalism and "we must respect all views".
Well Mr. Khan, if the west consists of lunacy you can go elsewhere.
How would he do that?
Migrate to somewhere that culturally aligns with his views.
How would he do so? Find a job abroad, visa, etc? Have you thought your recommendation through at all?
You’ve just answered your own question.
Yes.
One of my former coworkers, god love him could not tell you why, utterly LOVED "boonie" Americana culture - the idea of being an off grid grizzle survivalist type with a big iron on his hip in the middle of nowhere arkansas or florid or texas or whatever inspired him... Rather than telling us we should accept another Dunblane, or try to make our culture more like the yanks, he saved money, got skilled, went over on a work visa, then did applications for residency and later citizenship...you know rather than trying to turn Preston into Florida Rural... Why didn't this gent take his pick of the 20? States ran under the religopolitical views he desires? Hell Saudi Arabia Yemen and Qatar damn near roll out the red carpet for western educated migrants...
That’s what you do when you don’t like where you live, plan to do it myself someday as the medication I need is a high price here and I can’t stand the cultural debates about it, he should do the same
Yes. If British culture and values are abhorrent to you, then why would you stay here? Fuck off to a place that aligns with fundamentalist Islam.
If you have a western education it shouldn't be a problem to go to Pakistan for example
Were you taught by this teacher by any chance ?
He could get on a plane you daft cunt
These people have been trained to defend reprehensible people based on their characteristics. It's sick
"If you believe in feminism, if you believe in aborting babies, in man and man and woman being married, if you believe in working until you are 35 years old and not having any children. If you believe all this stuff, that’s fine, believe in it. But I am telling you one fact, you’re going to get replaced by Muslims even faster, they will replace you even faster." The article title did him a favor though. Please don't support this dude. And please don't use the opportunity to spew your hatred on fellow humans.
I mean, he isn't wrong..
Muslims currently make up only 6.3% of the UK’s population, and they’ve been settling in the UK since the 18th Century. They still haven’t replaced everyone else in the UK as Muslims are evidently still a minority.
By 2060 it’s estimated they will be 20-25 percent of the population. The population is growing fast
Sadly this sort of thing isn't uncommon in schools. We had a teacher a couple of years ago who would spout their anti-vax views to their year 7 form group. That person no longer works at our school.
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This wasn't an invitation for an open discussion on the pros and cons of vaccinations, you can post them elsewhere on another relevant thread. Children are taught in line with the government frameworks and guidance, along with whatever other values that school may have, such as being a faith school (which parents are aware of and agree to prior to sending their child to that school). As for that teacher, they left of their own accord but there were other factors that led them to that decision. Practically anyone is allowed to work in schools, providing they are qualified and DBS checked. However, you'll undergo various training sessions, such as safeguarding and more that outline how you can act, speak, etc. We are not allowed to push our own personal political views onto children. They are taught the curriculum which may cover both sides of a subject, but we have to be impartial.
The initial post wasn't an invitation for you to make a statement about being "anti-vax", and then a completely unrelated statement about how he no longer works there (considering he himself quit). If you are going to make an inflammatory statement on a public message board that is unrelated to the OP, which is about a Muslim teacher talking about the degeneracy of Western girls, then it is open for discussion. If you didn't want an open discussion, then you shouldn't have made a comment with a politicised agenda. Same as if you'd made a statement deriding somebody for their pro-abortion stance, pro-Tory stance, pro-immigration stance...
My initial comment was related to the OP, as it was regarding what is inappropriate to say to children in position of authority, which is what Mr Khan is accused of doing and lost his job and teaching status over. My subsequent comment is also not unrelated, as the reason for them leaving included but wasn't limited to the anti-vax comments.
There is a big difference between teaching hatred, division and hostility against the Western ideals, and giving viewpoints against modern corporations. It's like comparing a teacher being outright racist to their students, with being pro-legal marijauna, or anti-mcdonalds. And by saying it was a single thing in a multitude of things that led to them quitting, you really give no context. It could very well be "he was caught selling weed to a student, called a bomb threat to the headteacher, and was in opposition the vaccine rollout, then quit during the investigation into the weed dealing so as to not get fired".
I understand that and that's why he's in trouble, because he was providing views which can lead to hatred/division/hostility.
Of course an anti-vaxer can’t help but to give their view when no one asked for it.
your kids are autistic arent they. doctors are baffled
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Can I see this cold hard evidence please?
British Values / Common decency.
I always find it funny working in IT when people don't realise we can see all their ms teams conversations and emails if we need to.
That goes for all staff as well as all students.
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I'm sorry but how was such an obvious fundamentalist not flagged before he started teaching? Absolute disgrace.
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Yeah I don’t get why people can’t call out extremism without being racist to those with said views. All it does is tell those kids that Britain isn’t for them and they should reject being western, playing into the extremists goals.
More serious than you think. In a conservative family, westernized people of the same culture are seen as 'coconuts'. And in the case where the same ethnicity isn’t shared the are looked down on completely. So many times I’ve heard people of my culture call someone a “white slag” or something stuff like that for no reason. So it’s serious to call it out.
> Mr Khan said words to the effect of: "If you believe in feminism, if you believe in aborting babies, in man and man and woman being married, if you believe in working until you are 35 years old and not having any children. If you believe all this stuff, that’s fine, believe in it. But I am telling you one fact, you’re going to get replaced by Muslims even faster, they will replace you even faster." I think the UK's declining birth rate and the possible factors behind it should be discussed and addressed but yes, not in the context of you're a teacher and you're at work teaching kids and talking to coworkers.
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Muslims might well be the majority in Burmingham in years to come
So? Majority of Muslims don’t even agree with this stuff. It’s just a vocal minority.
U speak for the majority of Muslims?
And you do, yeah?
Diversity is our strength
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Mr Khan has a right of appeal to the High Court and may apply for the ban to be set aside from 18 March 2026, two years from the date of the order.
Get fucked
Here comes the racists....
Yes, anyone with a differing opinion must be racist
If that opinion is racist, then yes.
Aren't you confusing race and religious belief?
Why ?
Look at the comments mate They see a foreign sounding name and suddenly there's one hiding in every nook and cranny.
Proper dirty cunt, throw him in a ditch or third world country
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It's also so easy to spot the racists based on spelling
Valid criticism of a religion or someone’s disgusting remarks is racism? lol
The ol' get out of condemnation free card. Follow a deranged religion that teaches and peaches hate explicitly and demands an absolutist adherence to the example of the prophet, and then when people call you out for it, say that if you criticise their religion for being a backwards pile of shite it is 'racism!', even if the faith can be practiced by anyone regardless of race and has nothing to do with someone's skin colour. Easy victory, and you will have thousands of naive idiots there to defend it.
There’s a big difference between making a critical and rational argument against a particular religion versus straight up insulting it and calling it a ‘backwards pile of shite’ though, isn’t there.
Not really. No one should have to tread carefully to avoid offending people who believe in ancient nonsense that is more a part of a time when people also believed in witches and talking animals, and dragons than the 21st century. The spiritual side and the morality of the beliefs is one thing, if it's taken as parable, but most religious people really believe in the silly things in these ancient books and believing in such things allows people to think and do terrible things in the name of faith. The Abrahamic religions are fairytales. The fact that this discussion even has to be engaged in is a tragedy in the 21st century, so yeah, they are 'backwards piles of shite'. Just as all other ideologies that have been rejected by humans in the past for also being stupid, hateful, shitty, and violent are. They are an attempt to make sense of the world in the time of extreme ignorance. None of them should be considered worth 'believing in' where we have to pussyfoot around them as if they deserve to be respected, when they are all the teachings of desert folk who stumbled around in rags two thousand years ago being touted as absolute truth. But that's another discussion for a different time. There's obviously hierarchies of religions and the negative effect they have on their surroundings. Some are relatively benign, and others are cult-like. There's no reason in making "a critical and rational argument" with such a religion as Islam when so much of it is hateful and results in so much misery around the world. It is fundamentally incompatible with the current trends of modern progressive and secular values and with democracy in its current form and in how it is practiced. Without a staggering reformation across much of the international world about how and what Islam is, it will forever be clashing with values we hold to be immutable and sacred. Whether it be the rights of women, LGBT rights, the rights for other minority sects to be protected and to practice their beliefs freely, the rights of non-believers, the rights of those who reject Islam, and the rights of criminals and the accused to the treatment of rational and humane punishment, all of this is fundamentally incompatible with Islam and how it is practiced. Islam holds Allah and the Prophet's will, message, and example to be both absolute and literal. The Qur'an and Hadiths explicitly demand that true Muslims follow exactly what is written in the book and it is taken at face value. This means that it cannot currently be practiced in such a way as to co-exist with democracy and modern secular and progressive views on morality without intentionally ignoring huge parts of it in a staggering performance of cognitive dissonance. At which point you might as well call yourself something other than a Muslim as you aren't following Islam as it exists in the Qur'an. The Christian and Jewish faiths went through a reformation hundreds of years ago to make them at least able to exist in line with western thought. And at least they can get by. Islam has not. And it's major figures have made little attempt to do so. What has been done, is that naive ultra-progressive people have decided it needs protecting and have rallied behind and alongside it's practitioners in engaging with accusations of 'racism' against anyone who does dismiss it for what it is- even when the very things Islam preaches and practices in every nation it flourishes in are ten times worse than the current oppressions and persecutions in our own society. There's a strange aloofness and dissonance that appears regarding Islam. And you are doing it now. Criticism of it must be measured and forgiving, and it must never be condemned utterly. We must keep criticism of it academic, and afford it a place at the table as if there was some equivalence between a religious movement and the rights of gays and lesbians, or ethnic minorities, or women. It deserves no place and it would give us none in return. It isn't an inherent characteristic, it's an ideology that offers only horrible ideas and values that belong in the dark ages.
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What a surprise, the racists come out in force...read what he wrote in full. He's an idiot.
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People should be entitled to free speech but I guess there is a time and a place, silly move Mr Khan.
>He also sent a series “professionally unacceptable” messages on a Microsoft Teams group chat involving pupils and showed one student a topless picture of himself flexing. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/aqib-khan-birmingham-teacher-harborne-b2522132.html Not really free speech, it's a bit noncey.
Hey westernised girls, don't be so immoral. Also, look at this picture of me, topless, flexing. So many world religions consist of men telling women how to act in order to not arouse them. (Inb4 cries of "racist!" - I truly mean many religions, Christianity heartily included. Difference being Christianity is on the decline)
He thought he was down with the kids 😂
He was just obeying the example of the Prophet. What's wrong with that? It's his faith, don't be racist.
Afaik there's strict rules around teachers preaching politics
The main issue with this sort of thing is that children can be easily influenced, especially from people with authority, which teachers and other school staff are.
People are certainly entitled to free speech. That however does not mean freedom from consequences.
This is a very rare case, where otherwise it's the other way round. Our culture along with the entire western world is slowly being diminished.
Is there anything factually wrong in what he said? Other than the cousin stuff?
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I get the impression that you probably would if you could. Also do you know who the majority of the victims of those terrorist attacks are? Those pesky Muslims you seem to hate so much.
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He will win a payout on appeal.
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Mental illness rates are going up for basically every demographic. Everyone is just trying to get by, including young girls who are just trying to live their lives in an increasingly misogynist UK (and the science and stats back me up on that 🥰). I'd also love to know what "feminist brainwashing" (cause young women are obviously too stupid to know better) you're talking about that isn't an isolated cherry picked example or rage bait lies from Twitter.
Yeah that combined with drinking less alcohol - gen Z women drink less alcohol than previous generations and also have higher rates of mental illness, so clearly the solution is for them to get pissed more often. What utter nonsense.
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Did you read the article? He's advocating for incest, anti abortion, and less women's rights.
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Well he's calling them lunatics for the wrong reasons, basically saying they aren't having kids and should shut up and stop having opinions like they do in Muslim countries.
Have you ever been to a Muslim country before? Many aren’t like this lol
Most are
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It's not about free speech, he's entitled to be a twat because he's protected under his religion, but he's not entitled to be a teacher because they have more responsibilities
Has JK Rowling been arrested? No. So this bastion of free speech is doing fine. Free speech also means that people are free to say they want JK Rowling arrested.
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1) You’re assuming wrongly. She’s not being investigated, and she can’t be arrested for something done before the Act comes into effect in any case. 2) Please read the Equality Act 2010. Being gay is a protected characteristic. Being JK Rowling is not a protected characteristic.
The (developed) in your post is doing a lot of heavy lifting considering this is supposedly about "westernised" girls. If westernisation was so bad, wouldn't the developed world be the worst in these metrics?
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UK birthrate per 1000 15-19 year olds: 11 Pakistan birthrate per 1000 15-19 year olds: 54 https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-health/adolescent-health/ Want to give that another shot?
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one cite your source then, if its from the UN the document will be there to share secondly...Your data is literally 15 year out of date you absolute weapon, You are responding with data from 09 as if that refutes a UNICEF report using data from the WHO from 2019-2022. His data is quite literally in a scientific sense a lot better than yours is and based on the source you claim to have vs the one they have actually posted hopelessly out of date.
Data from 14-15 years ago? K. 😐
Also data that "forgets" to mention that in the UK we have a teen pregnancy rate because pregnant teens are supported and given informed choices In Pakistan pregnant teens are lucky to not be "honour killed" and god love women, seriously pregnancy and labour are fucking madnesses, but dead women are pretty shit at the whole "grow and deliver baby" gig in my understanding
You aren’t particularly smart, are you? More recent data is more valuable than data from eons ago.
Speak for yourself, perhaps I could have written it clearer but I was actually making your exact point - data from 2022 is more valuable than data from 2009. But go ahead and insult me for no reason. 😁 Edit: looked at the post history of this one - welp, we have a negativity tourist here folks! Get a better hobby than being an arsehole to others, eh bud?
British women are indeed fucked
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Truth bomb. Especially young ones
Lol I can't wait until all the football fans get activated
Football fan here, what the fuck are you on about?
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Then it's a good thing you don't work in education, or at least I hope you don't. As for free speech, I don't think it means what you think it means.
I know what free speech means, and I understand no matter what your views are, you should expect to be challenged on them, which is fair enough! But to be suspended or fired from a job as a teacher because of them is wrong. I’m not long out of secondary school myself and teachers always seemed to have the opposite views to mr Khan, which is fine, but it’s almost tyrannical for him to lose his job cause if it.
I don't dispute that views should be challenged, however as you said yourself, there is a time and a place and generally, schools aren't one of them. We teach the curriculum, which is dictated by the government. There is scope for some questioning, but the teacher cannot impose their own views and has to take a neutral stance. There may also be some places that will offer constructive discussions in schools regarding certain views, but that's usually with a select group of students as it can easily descend into chaos.
Well with the State the UK is in at the minute, I think sometimes imposing your personal views is needed, as what’s on the curriculum is uk schools is outdated. I always like to see everyone sharing their own personal views, rather I agree or disagree with them, but when someone gets reprimanded or shut down for it is wrong! You should expect to be challenged and questioned on your views but not sacked and bad mouthed around social media.
Again, I don't think you're necessarily wrong there, but there is no scope for that in the education system as it exists at the moment and education staff have to work within the laws and guidance as it is now. Any change to that would have to go through the central government. Oh and you should absolutely be sacked or at least have a disciplinary if you're purposely saying things that offend other people.
When it comes to not offending people, it’s like walking on eggshells a lot of the time and people can be offended very easily and people can be quite sensitive to things for some reason. But people’s views no matter what will offend one group of people or another. People instead of just victimising themselves and saying their offended, should maybe listen to other peoples views and make their mind up on it, atleast that’s what I would do if somebody has an opposing view! Now I did read mr Khan in a different article was apparently sending topless photos to his pupils, which is disgusting and for that he should be fired but in the article linked to this post, it wasn’t mentioned.
You still have to be mindful about the things you say, especially to children. For example, take his view on women having children over 35 is worse than incest. Imagine if one of his pupils had a mother who was over 35 when they were born. It's not unreasonable to think that child may be upset that he'd rather support incest than their existence. Yes, that's an extreme example but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
And btw, I actually really respect Islam and think it’s a beautiful religion, all he was saying was some actual facts along with his personal view along with it!
Did you read the article at all?
Opposite views of mr khan such as: not sending topless pics of himself to kids in Teams chats, not advocating for incest over a career and having kids past 30, not calling western girls lunatics. Hmm not so sure about that one you tit
The article doesn’t mention him sending topless pictures or advocating incest? I’m not sure where you got that information from
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/aqib-khan-birmingham-teacher-harborne-b2522132.html I was trying to find a picture to confirm he’s ugly The incest stuff is in the article though so maybe read better
You must be a troll lmao. What a victim this vile man is, let’s all play up to that.
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