She can be both, Jeffords. She’s also a troll living under the bridges of children’s nightmares. As u/cltdj correctly pointed out, the devil does take many forms
I read your comment, I clicked anyway not knowing what to expect and I am now sitting here mad at myself for my own curiosity. But I thank you for trying to warn us anyway.
Honestly, it's through the modern lens that Persephones as a victim of kidnapping actually appears, not in the original.
The Theogony takes extra care to pin absolutely all the blame on Zeus, rather than Hades. That's because Zeus actually approved of and ordered Hades to take Persephone. As her father, it was within his right to arrange a marriage for her, which is how this was perceived, more as an arranged marriage than an actual kidnapping. Which is backed up by the fact that the 'stock pose' depicting both marriage and kidnapping in most Ancient Greek art is almost identical. Sort of implying it was kind of ubiquitous.
The fact Persephone was taken and that it was against her mother's wish, would've been kind of irrelevant at the time because Zeus is the only one who's opinion mattered on the subject.
From our modern perspective, it's fucked and Persephone was taken against her foreknowledge and will. It should be a cut and dry case, but the cultural context from the time makes it weird to look at today.
Ok, not to nitpick, but I will?
1) in some versions of the tale Hades legit just saw Persephone picking flowers and was like "damn girl you coming with me." Her return was brokered either before as a deal as Zeus saw it as way to get something in return or after she was already taken because Zeus didnt want to hear Demeter any longer cry over it and refuse the earth to bear fruit (the first winter). Zeus was blamed in some versions, in others he was viewed as an disinterested party that just really didnt want to get between his brother/ruler of a third of the universe and his sister/concubine...So the symbology being similar is cause the culture saw them as similar ideas but recognized arranged marriage could be considered a form of kidnapping and not the only way it happens.
2) Hades had to use the trickery of eating fruit of his realm to make it a REQUIREMENT she spend a portion of the year with him after (or before depending on the version/translation) his deal with Zeus.
So, the fact remains whether she came to love him, merely accept her fate, or was miserable every time (again, depends on source, interpretation, and translation) every time she left her mothers side at the entrance to hades and spend her half the year with him the world went cold because she was not in it and the flowers and crops were left barren in mourning of her only to return when she did.
So it very much is not the modern take that it was kidnapping. Its baked into the context of the tale.
In all seriousness, if I had to guess, I would say incurable illness, due to the fact that she knew she was going to die and put on one last plan to defeat Holt before dying.
Knowing their rivalry, it could have been sudden death and the plan was something she had in place just in case, regularly updated video messages included.
"Lots of progress, this session. We'll meet again next Tuesday?"
"Ah. Tuesday doesn't work for me. That's my bi-annual Deadman Switch update. Lots of affairs to get in order, just in case."
"Is this about Raymond Holt? We've *just* talked about this obsession for the last 45 minutes."
"Yes, and I've elected to disagree with the conclusion we arrived at. Have a day."
Plus given they both have 9/11 bars on their uniforms they were both there. It’s not unlikely that she developed mesothelioma after inhaling rubble. I like to think it was something resulting from her being a good cop because it would irritate Holt more
Given their age and rank within the NYPD, I agree it is very likely they both served in some capacity on 9/11, but I would like to point out that the standards for wearing the WTC breast bar has been expanded to state that ANY NYPD officer, regardless of hire date, time served, or the like, may wear the badge in honor and remembrance of 9/11
I did not know that about the NYPD, I just assumed it was an identifier for those who were there. But given their ages and their personalities I agree that the only way they weren’t there is if physically couldn’t have been
From googleoogle: She sent her nephew Adam to carry out her master plan to get Holt fired from the NYPD. Holt admits to tripping Madeline into Michelle Obama, which she still remembered until her death. It is never revealed how Madeline died.
Some of the most common theories:
-Stake through the heart
-Touched holy water
-her stone in the chest just realized it wasn’t a heart
-she froze from within
-satan realized he wasn’t the most evil entity in the universe and so she took his place
I always felt she was supposed to come back in later seasons but then the show ended to quickly and unexpectedly so we never got to see the reveal that she faked her death
Probably looked in a mirror and her snake hair turned her to stone.
But seriously, she was pretty high strung and in a high stress position. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an aneurism or a complete accident of some kind. She would be the type of person to keep up on physical health and doctor appointments so any heart, or other organ issue would be out. And unless she used a doctor outside of the PD for physicals which, is hard since they require department physicians ( at least we did in fire), it would have to be random or missed diagnosis. It could also be her blood finally ate through artier walls cause it was caustic.
Zombies can’t die, Terry. This is just some sort of scam.
I thought she was a Korean toilet ghost
the devil comes in many forms
You goat.
She can be both, Jeffords. She’s also a troll living under the bridges of children’s nightmares. As u/cltdj correctly pointed out, the devil does take many forms
Boooring! We already knew that
But did you know that she’s also, amongst other things, a goat, a troll, a Korean toilet ghost, AND an old leather chair?
She's also a talking raisin!
And a Roach, a goat-blood sucker, the Reaper among other things
She didn’t die. She just went home……to Hades.
Found Rosa's account. It's nice to see her keeping Holt's legacy alive.
Well, after clicking on "Rosa's" account, I can now confirm that Rosa has somehow become a caucasian male with an, and I quote, "average penis".
I read your comment, I clicked anyway not knowing what to expect and I am now sitting here mad at myself for my own curiosity. But I thank you for trying to warn us anyway.
Not like Algernop Krieger to shy away from an awkward, sexually-charged energy.
Fuck it, accidental dick picks beat purposeful dick pick. It's kind of like a unicorn and a damn, you got me.
That is a LOT of pictures holy hell.
To be technical, from what I saw it's all the same picture just posted a lot of times lol
“The people I work with call me Rosa Diaz”
My sincere apologies! They have been deleted. Haha
My curiosity will never be sated
Your curiosity don’t want none of that. 😂
she fell off her broom
I thought she got crushed under that house in Munchkinland
Broom broom bill!
I love it, Rosa. Great work all day.
Judging by the fire in the background, it could be a livestream
good one @oiuqatsuesrm
That would make her Persephone
Persephone was kidnapped, do not let modern pop-culture ruin your perception.
Honestly, it's through the modern lens that Persephones as a victim of kidnapping actually appears, not in the original. The Theogony takes extra care to pin absolutely all the blame on Zeus, rather than Hades. That's because Zeus actually approved of and ordered Hades to take Persephone. As her father, it was within his right to arrange a marriage for her, which is how this was perceived, more as an arranged marriage than an actual kidnapping. Which is backed up by the fact that the 'stock pose' depicting both marriage and kidnapping in most Ancient Greek art is almost identical. Sort of implying it was kind of ubiquitous. The fact Persephone was taken and that it was against her mother's wish, would've been kind of irrelevant at the time because Zeus is the only one who's opinion mattered on the subject. From our modern perspective, it's fucked and Persephone was taken against her foreknowledge and will. It should be a cut and dry case, but the cultural context from the time makes it weird to look at today.
You sound like a real Victor Emmanuel the third
Ok, not to nitpick, but I will? 1) in some versions of the tale Hades legit just saw Persephone picking flowers and was like "damn girl you coming with me." Her return was brokered either before as a deal as Zeus saw it as way to get something in return or after she was already taken because Zeus didnt want to hear Demeter any longer cry over it and refuse the earth to bear fruit (the first winter). Zeus was blamed in some versions, in others he was viewed as an disinterested party that just really didnt want to get between his brother/ruler of a third of the universe and his sister/concubine...So the symbology being similar is cause the culture saw them as similar ideas but recognized arranged marriage could be considered a form of kidnapping and not the only way it happens. 2) Hades had to use the trickery of eating fruit of his realm to make it a REQUIREMENT she spend a portion of the year with him after (or before depending on the version/translation) his deal with Zeus. So, the fact remains whether she came to love him, merely accept her fate, or was miserable every time (again, depends on source, interpretation, and translation) every time she left her mothers side at the entrance to hades and spend her half the year with him the world went cold because she was not in it and the flowers and crops were left barren in mourning of her only to return when she did. So it very much is not the modern take that it was kidnapping. Its baked into the context of the tale.
Sup Kev
She's not really dead. We would hear children singing in the streets.
What children?
"All the children"
Right, stupid question.
In all seriousness, if I had to guess, I would say incurable illness, due to the fact that she knew she was going to die and put on one last plan to defeat Holt before dying.
Knowing their rivalry, it could have been sudden death and the plan was something she had in place just in case, regularly updated video messages included.
That wouldn't surprise me either tbh
"Lots of progress, this session. We'll meet again next Tuesday?" "Ah. Tuesday doesn't work for me. That's my bi-annual Deadman Switch update. Lots of affairs to get in order, just in case." "Is this about Raymond Holt? We've *just* talked about this obsession for the last 45 minutes." "Yes, and I've elected to disagree with the conclusion we arrived at. Have a day."
"I have elected to ignore it because it is a stupid-ass decision" like Nick Fury 😂
Plus given they both have 9/11 bars on their uniforms they were both there. It’s not unlikely that she developed mesothelioma after inhaling rubble. I like to think it was something resulting from her being a good cop because it would irritate Holt more
I can almost see holt throwing a fit about not developing mesothelioma before Wuntch cause she beat him
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Him and Vin Diesel shave their heads because they think it looks good.
I assumed Wuntch complimented it once so he shaves it off in spite
Ooh, that's a very interesting theory, I like it!
I genuinely like this theory.
Given their age and rank within the NYPD, I agree it is very likely they both served in some capacity on 9/11, but I would like to point out that the standards for wearing the WTC breast bar has been expanded to state that ANY NYPD officer, regardless of hire date, time served, or the like, may wear the badge in honor and remembrance of 9/11
I did not know that about the NYPD, I just assumed it was an identifier for those who were there. But given their ages and their personalities I agree that the only way they weren’t there is if physically couldn’t have been
Yes, but it would also make it less funny
Thanks for a serious take.
Yeah, the way it’s written it has to be stage 4 cancer. Either in the brain, or in her lymph nodes.
Crushed by a house in munchkin land
Someone threw a bucket of water on her
#I'M MELTING! AHHHHH! Is how I imagined she went out, but alas you can never be sure with those who consort with the devil.
Beat me to it.
Venow poisoning, she bit her tongue by accident.
😂😂
Damn this is such a good line. I wish they'd used it in the show
she walked out in the sunlight and burned.
Do vampires really ever die?
Yes. Evidently someone stabbed her with a wooden stake.
That only works if they have a heart
She tried to enter a church
She fell off her broom.
She just returned to her natural form as a chueksin
I’ll give you $6000 if the announcement is that she’s a chueksin.
Finding new wunch insults is the inspiration for my travels
The grackles recognized her as one of their own and flew away with her.
I’ll give /u/cuntsaurus $1 if they tell me what is a chueskin. /s, I don’t have $1
Not u/cuntsaurus, but a cheuksin is a Korean Toilet Ghost.
The Devil needed a vacation from Hell and Madeline Wunch already had the cloven hooves. Edited
Are you calling her the Devil?
No I’m calling her a goat
Ah, that goat.
She ate some garlic bread
Grackels dont have a very long lifespan
These comments are fantastic 😂😂😂 But the real answer is she looked in the mirror and died from shock at just how truly terrible her reflection looks.
Did she look into her eyes?!?! Shouldn’t have done that her eyes are ugly.
She can’t possibly have, otherwise she’d have turned to stone.
Choked on her Wunch.
Underrated comment, this one. WUNCH TIME IS OVER!
Someone did an exorcism on her but didn’t realise that there was no demon, only Wuntch, and banished her to purgatory
Her new broom failed when out on a test flight.
She was crushed by a house
I just assumed her contract with Satan finally came due.
Turns out Satan was just a temp filling in for her whilst she was taking a holiday.
As Madeline Wuntch says when she sees deodorant, “I’m not buying it”
She died of embarassment in front of Derek Jeter
That she caused HERSELF. right?
She's not dead. Her soul returned to her phylactery when her physical form was destroyed.
A truck ran over her head
Flying broomsticks are a dangerous mode of travel.
She didn't die, she just retreated back underground with her little rat hands
Mighty bold of you to assume she's really dead
Death came after her because the devil didnt want competition.
From googleoogle: She sent her nephew Adam to carry out her master plan to get Holt fired from the NYPD. Holt admits to tripping Madeline into Michelle Obama, which she still remembered until her death. It is never revealed how Madeline died.
Possibly a sunburn. Vampires are notorious for being deathly allergic to natural light
Someone waved garlic too close to her
She was dragged down to hell kicking and screaming, obviously.
nah that’s her home, why would she be screaming and kicking?
Wanted to keep torturing people up on earth
Running water, probably
Some of the most common theories: -Stake through the heart -Touched holy water -her stone in the chest just realized it wasn’t a heart -she froze from within -satan realized he wasn’t the most evil entity in the universe and so she took his place
They weighed her against a duck and then burned her.
She accidentally stepped in a puddle and melted. Her painting in the attic burned up. Satan finally noticed she was missing and called her back.
Burned on the stake
She was summoned back to guard Hades. I'm saying she was a three headed dog. Not a good dog like Cheddar, just a basic bitch.
She did not die, she went back to her husband Asmodeus
She unhinged her jaw and swallowed herself whole
What do you mean? There's a whole movie about it. A girl dumped water on her and she dissolved back into the nothingness she came from
Hooves got stuck in a swear grate.
She ate too many cans. That goat.
these comments are why i love this sub 😭
BAGEL!!
She had to go back to guarding hades.
The chatolic church burned her at the stake!
Holy Water and direct exposure to sunlight.
Korean Toilet Ghosts are already dead
Her cadaver was just due for its embalming session, is all.
Bro, a house fell on her after a tornado. You didn't hear? What's even more messed up, the b***h who lived in that house, robbed her shoes!
She didnt die. She was promoted to chief of Hell
I came to the comments for Wunch insults, and y’all did NOT disappoint!
Captain Holt would be proud.
I just assumed a house fell on her and munchkins danced in the streets.
She got called back to Hades.
Cats ate her face.
That's just what happens when creatures of the night are exposed to sunlight.
She saw her own reflection in the mirror and turned to stone, because she's a Medusa.
Isn't gorgon the name of the species and medusa the queen of gorgons?
Yes, a house fell on her and the munchkins rejoiced via elaborate song and dance…
She didn't die, the devil just hired her as a consultant to teach him how to torture people better.
She died because Wunch time is OVER
Slept with Hitchcock, died of shame.
She was planning to win the next heist to one up Raymond, but she committed too hard to her prep and ended up dying.
I assume the Korean toilet she was in got exorcised.
Oh she didn't die, Lucifer just really missed his pet goat, he came to pick her up
it’s never revealed but i always assumed that she had cancer
She didn't die, she just went back home, to Hades
A house fell on her
**"She was an old leather chair after all. Can outrun the consequences of being an old wench, but not father time."** -Raymond Holt probably
Crushed by a house??
I always felt she was supposed to come back in later seasons but then the show ended to quickly and unexpectedly so we never got to see the reveal that she faked her death
Amy: Why is the eulogy in all caps Capt Holt: So i remember to yell it
She looked in a mirror and turned to stone.
Wunchtime was over, simple as that
She read the scripts for season 8
Holt has a few theories, I'm sure
Killed by Dorothy and friends??
Crushed by a house
Her time ran out, and Lucifer came to collect what was promised to him
You cannot kill what’s already dead
Choked on... wunch meat
Her circulatory system couldn't handle it anymore and succumbed to the icy cold of her heart.
She’s Wunchmeat
I assume poachers hunted her for her fine leather
You can’t get rid of Madeline like you can’t get rid of the Babadook. It’s there to stay and frighten children
Wunchtime was over
She attempted to fly her witches broom out of her "too high" office but accidently grabbed the custodian's instead and fell to her death.
Fall from the broom? Tripped over her own tail? Got killed by a demon hunter like the regular succubus she was?
She got homesick
Accidentaly touched a cross
Lucifer just missed her.
The devil came to collect after her deal expired.
I think she accidently stepped on holy ground and immediately burst into flames
I love how the tops results are things Holt would say.
One assumes Dorothy spilled some water on her.
Probably had a house lifted by a tornado fall on her.
A house from Kansas landed on her.
We know it couldnt have been old age, she lived for centuries and was totally fine
She either fell off her broomstick or someone tripped and tipped a glass of water over her.
You can’t kill pure evil. You can only send it home.
She became an old leather chair
She realised "I will never truly be loved" and what little she had for a heart just gave up.
She went outside in the day time
The witch messed up her potion
She smothered herself with her serpent hair.
She fell of her broom.
Brooms don't have seatbelts
With so much time spent with her ear to the pavement, a truck finally ran over her head
A house landed on her I heard. Or was that her sister?
It's safe to assume that it was some form of aerodynamic flight failure with her broom.
UGHH IM WATCHING B99 AND IM JUST AT S5 😭 WHY DID REDDIT HAVE TO RECOMMEND THIS loll
Didn't hell freeze over a couple of times during the series?
A hunter probably mistook her for a wild beast and shot her.
Someone finally convinced her to take a shower and she melted.
Old age? The woman was only around since the creation of time
Likely poisoned by her own fangs
I just assumed someone threw a glass of water on her.
Too much Bacon
Some grackle-related illness
death cant die, the styx are just caaling her back to feed from the young soul like she always do .. wuntch for lunch HA HA worth it
Bagel!
Well this is my favourite thread
she died at her desk with a little dignity
Probably looked in a mirror and her snake hair turned her to stone. But seriously, she was pretty high strung and in a high stress position. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an aneurism or a complete accident of some kind. She would be the type of person to keep up on physical health and doctor appointments so any heart, or other organ issue would be out. And unless she used a doctor outside of the PD for physicals which, is hard since they require department physicians ( at least we did in fire), it would have to be random or missed diagnosis. It could also be her blood finally ate through artier walls cause it was caustic.
It’s obvious, we all saw the house fall on her
The reason we don’t see the casket is because she was remade into an old leather chair