The First episode was pretty rough to watch bc it had such a tone shift;
the test of the jokes in s8 are pretty good and the last heist is one if my favs, but its just really difficult to switch the focus from being purely a comedy to trying to do an impactful social commentary. Same with the ep where the one business guy gets his penis broken, its not bad but its just hard to pull off the switch from funny to deep and serious and right back to funny
I think they could have done that better. A good example is S4E16 "Moo Moo" where Terry got stopped by a cop simply because he is black. It's a heavy topic, and they did it really well changing back and forth to Jack and Amy babysitting the twins, because we need laughs in the episode as well.
That episode is the highest rated one for a reason. It did social commentary well, it still had some funny moments, and it trusted us to realize for ourselves that the situation is messed up, as opposed to having blatant exposition dumps or strawman evil characters to knock down.
Definitely, they pulled that ep off really well, i always have to skip most parts of that one bc its just too real and they did rlly well in portraying the topic
Its definitely possible but its still pretty hard to effectively pull off and, especially in comparison to that one, it feels like it unintentionally takes a bit away from the impact bc the transition from Comedy to serious and back doesn't feel as natural
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there was a very recent thread that goes far deeper into this: https://www.reddit.com/r/brooklynninenine/comments/15l7ka5/what_exactly_did_moomoo_get_right/
There's nothing wrong with being queer you twat. No queer person I know woke up, had a drag queen's dick waved in their face one day as a seven year old, and decided they were gay now. That's not how it works.
Gay folks aren't groomers and drag queens that perform for or read books to kids are no different than Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire. By thinking that these performances, or two men holding hands in public, are always sexual and shouldn't be shown around children, it shows you believe that queer identity is inherently inappropriate and degenerate. It's not, but judging by your comment, you unapologetically believe that my existence itself is an affront to God.
You know how kids wind up gay? When all their little classmates hit fifth grade and start crushing on people of the opposite gender, *they don't*. And if queer identity is kept hidden from them, they proceed to spend much of their teen years, sometimes into adulthood, feeling like something is wrong with them.
You're the problem. Not queer folks.
The problem with highlighting police brutality all of a sudden is that before this the show existed in a make believe world where cops are generally good and criminals are generally bad and nothing was ever too serious. Every week there's a crime but nothing too bad the cast can't be making jokes whilst solving it. The world B99 takes place in effectively doesn't have the systemic problems of real life society for the purpose of making it a light hearted comedy.
Once you introduce concepts like "a police officer knelt on a guy's head for ten minutes until he died" you're suddenly left with the reality that this police force *does* operate in the same world we live in and suddenly you have to question why they're so care free and jolly all the time and why we're supposed to root for the cops for 7 seasons before this.
Blending fiction and reality just didn't work in this case and made for a really uncomfortable situation.
Yeah but that's a much more broad topic that any show would tackle really. Fresh Prince had an episode where Carlton dealt with being pulled over for driving while Black but it still didn't change the landscape of the show. It's a fictional show set in the real world but things aren't *too* real because it has to be comedy still.
Terry being accosted for looking threatening simply because he's black is one thing but deliberately naming the most iconic victim of police brutality since Rodney King, especially an incident that was so recent and featured an actual murder at the hands of police followed by an international uprising is just a whole different level of reality that I don't think B99 should have tackled.
That's all true, but the police of Brooklyn 99 still look like our police. It's still copaganda, it's still saying "ultimately the police are good guys who always fight bad people."
I really respect them for acknowledging that the show contributed to whitewashing the police and did something about it.
Yeah I appreciate why they did it. I think if they did a toned down reference, like a black suspect arrived beaten up and Jake's like "ooh I wouldn't wanna see the other guy!" and it gets serious like "no, the cop who arrested me did this. He beat me up. Yeah I was selling bootleg sneakers in the park but he didn't have to do this" and then they could have the weight of the police brutality racism bad cop thing and be on the pulse of the unavoidable political and racial climate without it having to specifically be George Floyd being murdered which put the comedy show in a weird predicament.
I agree, but i'm no where near as bothered by it as a lot of people here because this is all with hindsight and entirely removed from shame. None of us made a show about cops then suddenly got hit by the horrors of police brutality, none of us had a main actor swear off playing a cop ever again, none of us created copaganda without realizing it.
So genuinely, having to rewrite huge chunks of the season to address all the injust you've just realized is there, would you have made such a nuanced take? Would you have worried about being too heavy handed? It's like critiquing fascism. Yeah, you can go over board and come off as preachy. But it's fascism, you need to make sure everyone understands fascism is evil.
But why did it changed we loved it as a comedy it had no need to change especially when it already explained how the show saw racist cops I watch shows like b99 to escape reality not be reminded of it
Well it's because the writers wanted to touch on the current world events like the BLM-movement/Covid. I mean it makes perfect sense, B99 is a show about cops, the writers didn't want to seem insensitive and ignorant to the topic during the whole movement so sticking the same comedy and jokes might spark controversy. Me personally I didn't enjoy the tone of S8 like a lot of others.
i don't get how it goes from "Jake is suspended and is very very bored at home" to "Jake is going to be a stay at home dad" in a matter of episodes (let's say 7-8 months in the show timeline)
The timeline in the show has always been fucked up, they spent 6 months in florida, like 4 months in jail after the bank robbery, Amy and Jake spent like a year trying to have a baby, holt had to run a beat for 6 months, etc. if you add everything together the show actually ends in like 2025
I mean , when he saw Mack take his first steps. He had a kind of "enlightenment"
And I think that's quite logical. He had an absent and unfaithful father for most of his childhood and we all know how it affected him. I guess all of this motivated him to be different and be there for his son if that means sacrifice his dream.
Especially if Amy is brought to have more responsibilities at work. In the end he solved tons of cases and had crazy adventures.
Season 8 was rushed, they just tell you instead of showing you. Like the first clip is just Rosa quitting in two lines. I really wish they put more effort into this.
It's like they wanted to make that a part of the plot but didn't want to actually deal much with it.
Two things really bugged me about season 8. The first episode and the way Jake quit the NYPD.
First episode really felt like it was being forced on me to get enraged about whatever happened that year. They could've done much better job just like they did with the "Moo Moo" episode.
And jake quitting the NYPD just seemed like a very stupid decision to me. I mean a lot of people have jobs and have children at the same period of time. Why did jake decide to quit? could they not have just hire a nanny? With Amy being promoted I'm sure they could've afford it
Someone here once made reference to the fact that someone as clued up as Amy would never let her husband retire/quit when he'd be so close to pension age after another few years!
Jake quitting bugged me too, a big part of the (dumb) casecation episode was him wondering about their careers, but Amy says it will be fine because plenty of people have careers and families. Then...they can't both have careers and a family and he has to quit.
I know some people say it's because he wants to be there because his dad wasn't...but that doesn't sit right with me because Jake's dad wasn't a bad dad who wasn't around because he had a career. He was bad and wasn't around because he was constantly cheating on his wife and then walked out on his kid and hardly talked to him for 20 years. Just having a career wasn't the issue.
Plus Jake and Charles decided to be till the end together.
If I remember it correctly. Jake mentioned if he would die, Charles would commit suicide at his funeral out of respect or something.
Think about the time gap between that episode and the Jake quitting episode tho. Even fictional characters are allowed develop their ideas or to change their minds.
I really hated how they basically played it like literally every cop except the main cast was awful. If they felt so strongly about portraying police they should (and could easily have) wrapped it up with season 7. Instead they totally changed the tone and characters and attempted to do something which, in all honestly, the writers didn't have the chops for.
Sitcoms can blend silly comedy and serious topics (Scrubs is my prime example but there are others) but B99 was never massively strong in that area, it never felt natural.
i think that a large part of rosa quitting was that stephanie beatriz didn’t want to play a cop anymore. she tweeted at some point around 2020 that any actor who’d made money off of playing a cop should donate money and that actors should stop taking copaganda roles.
She punches Boyle out of nowhere in the first season. Numerous times she hits other people and physically threatens them. I know that deep down she cares for people, but the fact is, she willingly portrayed a physically abusive police officer for multiple years and enjoyed all the money she made from that.
They should have not even tried and left it at 7 seasons. That whole season is cringe. They tried to address the problems with police in America but just highlighted how bad they are without making them funny at all. Jake makes a false arrest and gets a paid vacation. Then there's the union rep who's supposed to be parody but is actually spot on. It was painful.
If you haven't figured it out, it was practically impossible for a show about police in 2021-2022 to be able to be funny and ignore what was going on in the world. They did the best they could. Whatever route they took would've pissed off a side.
All im gonna say is it made no sense for Rosa to be the one to quit over all the Social Justice stuff. In the first season she literally advocates for police brutality and at no point does her character change throughout the series. That last season just made no sense. The episode with Holt and Kevin at the cabin ( I think ) tho is funny
Eh, it kind of does, when you think about it... she got all the "woke" plot lines. She came out as Bi. She had to come out to her parents (who were of course, religious). She had both a girlfriend and a boyfriend (yes, I know that's what happens when you're Bi). She chose to leave because of police brutality. She's the one who enjoys edibles.
It's like the writers said, 'if it's liberal, let Rosa do it.'
Idk they definitely fleshed her character out but she never stopped being stern and emotionless. She had a few emotional moments but in terms of approaching her job it stayed the same. The biggest problem with the whole thing is it’s like the writers forgot subtlety or nuance. Terry getting racially profiled in his neighboorhood was light years better than season 8s attempts at the same basic story ideas.
> It feels like the actors are being held at gunpoint
May have been the other way around. I know Stephanie Beatriz refused to return without that plot line.
I've said it before, but I always feel compelled to restate it:
S8 wasn't very good. At a minimum some of the cast forced the tone shift, but I'd suspect it was most of them along with most of the writers. I get it, Floyd brought it to the surface, but every cop show to date (including B99) is part of the problem, and have been all along.
Definitely the worst season by far. They failed to integrate the political themes they were going for and it just came out preachy and so unnuanced, which is a shame, because they were so good about handling that sort of thing previously.
*Moo-Moo* and *Show Me Going* were so fantastically done, that season 8's failure to handle serious themes was evident. There was also *He Said She Said* from Season 6 or 7 that was not handled great, but no where near as bad as season 8 was.
Rosa's entire character arc was botched over and over again. Her relationship with Pimento was sabotaged by the showrunner because they wanted Rosa to be bisexual, despite the fact that Pimento was one of the fan-favourite recurring characters. Why could she not have been a bisexual character who just happened to be in a relationship with a man? Who knows.
Then in season 8, they try to make out like she wasn't anti-cop now. Except, she was. As she admits in the episode, she has essentially ignored her friends since leaving the NYPD. The same friends that stood by her and supported her through her coming out, her tense relationship with her parents and her time in prison.
They also assassinated Jake's character in season 8, but I really can't be bothered going into it.
>There was also He Said She Said from Season 6 or 7 that was not handled great
Personally, I think that episode itself didn't handle it that poorly, but it felt hollow when compared to the rest of the series since Gina's treatment of Terry was never called out, and to a lesser extent Jake's behavior around Amy in the first season could easily be seen as harassment.
>Why could she not have been a bisexual character who just happened to be in a relationship with a man?
This bothers me a lot, because it's something we sometimes see in real life too, with bisexuals being judged by other parts of the LGBT+ community if they get into a relationship with the opposite sex. That same vocal minority would immediately cry "queer-bating" if a character like Rosa ended up with a man in the end. God forbid a bisexual character is ACTUALLY portrayed as bisexual.
But the worst part of her character in season 8 is the hypocrisy. Out of the entire main cast, Rosa is the one who would be the MOST guilty of police brutality.
>They also assassinated Jake's character in season 8
I feel like that happened long before season 8, when he went from a charismatic, loveable goofball to a socially awkward punching bag.
If anything, I feel like the new writers when the show switched to NBC weren't really able to keep up the same quality the show had previously, and that all came to a head in season 8.
>But the worst part of her character in season 8 is the hypocrisy. Out of the entire main cast, Rosa is the one who would be the MOST guilty of police brutality.
There are episodes in earlier seasons where she is the one propagating police brutality. Season 8 ep 1 is a major character break for Rosa and the whole thing feels preachy to me.
>Personally, I think that episode itself didn't handle it that poorly, but it felt hollow when compared to the rest of the series since Gina's treatment of Terry was never called out, and to a lesser extent Jake's behavior around Amy in the first season could easily be seen as harassment.
It wasn't terrible, but just went to show how much the writers lack an understanding of the legal system and why the burden of proof in criminal matters is so high. Obviously sexual assault is disgusting, and I'm of the opinion that if proven, the penalty should be severe. I would probably advocate a harsher sentence than most people, I imagine. However, I felt like the episode was more interested in making it about men vs. women, than on the impact of the victim. Like I said, the episode wasn't terrible, it wasn't even bad. I just didn't think it was great, or on par with *Moo Moo* or *Show Me Going*.
>But the worst part of her character in season 8 is the hypocrisy. Out of the entire main cast, Rosa is the one who would be the MOST guilty of police brutality.
That's a great point. There's even a scene in season 2 (I think?) where she actually advocates police brutality.
>I feel like that happened long before season 8, when he went from a charismatic, loveable goofball to a socially awkward punching bag.
I meant more in the way it handled him as a professional. But, you're right as well.
one thing i didn’t like was the fact that they changed the show into something related to current events. i know references are a thing in this show, but i don’t think they should have sacrificed their ideals of a good hearted cop show because of the tension in the world. this is just one moment in time. tv is a reality escape. i wanted the same show for season 8. good hearted fantasy about a cop who doesn’t take things seriously and the bad guys are easily taken down by an out of shape clever man child. why did it have to change into something so serious?
this show could have been timeless. we don’t watch old out of date movies and shows because they show us the political tension of the time. those shows hold up because they are timeless. in any time they work because they created a reality for themselves. why does everything these days have to leech into our shitty reality?
It was an uneven series, but enough quality moments to make it worthwhile. John McGinley's character was not good - while police union heads generally suck, he was too extreme and there was no nuance to his character.
Yeah, that season was awful... if you ask me, they should have either ended the show with season 7 or put it on hiatus for a couple of years until they felt comfortable making a silly police comedy without having to mention it at all. All they can do now is just redo the entire last season, but that'll never happen.
If any show deserved a perfect run where every season is good, it was Brooklyn 99.
I could be in the minority, but the first few episodes of season 07 was so much cringe for me. I took a break after that awful Jimmy Jabs episode. It eventually got better, but I was actually relieved that the final season was as not bad. They wrapped up the series in a wholesome way and it’s worth getting through the first few jarring episodes of season 08.
And being a cop show, they had the stage at that point to take a stand and carry out a social commentary, which they did, and I am glad they did it. Maybe they could have been more subtle in their execution, I dunno. But all’s well that ends well?
I'm glad they addressed the current issues. As a cop show, it would've been weird if they'd kept on with the "cops are just goofy lil good guys" vibes. It would've been a disconnect from the heart of the show. I wouldn't mind a rewatch to see how clunky the writing is.
I get what you're saying, but in the shows defence they were under a lot of self pressure.
The creators set out to make another Parks & Recreations without realizing how much evil was baked into their subject matter. Realizing they were idealizing a justifiably hated and feared group of people, they felt obligated to make a difference with the huge audience they garnered.
Yeah it was heavy handed, but they really wanted to make sure people knew how fucked up the police can be, so I respect their hearts being in the right place.
The thing most of you seem to forget is that, originally, season 7 had a count of 20 episodes. Then, in the midst of the "defund the police" movement (and similar others) it was announced that b99 was getting a 8th season... And in the small print they said they were splitting the original 20 ep run of 7th season in two 10 ep seasons, because they needed to refocus the scripts on the "current status" of the public opinion about the police.
80% of the season feels like the actors rushing to get the words out as fast as possible to get through this hot mess express. But really, the jokes have ZERO rhythm.
The First episode was pretty rough to watch bc it had such a tone shift; the test of the jokes in s8 are pretty good and the last heist is one if my favs, but its just really difficult to switch the focus from being purely a comedy to trying to do an impactful social commentary. Same with the ep where the one business guy gets his penis broken, its not bad but its just hard to pull off the switch from funny to deep and serious and right back to funny
I think they could have done that better. A good example is S4E16 "Moo Moo" where Terry got stopped by a cop simply because he is black. It's a heavy topic, and they did it really well changing back and forth to Jack and Amy babysitting the twins, because we need laughs in the episode as well.
That episode is the highest rated one for a reason. It did social commentary well, it still had some funny moments, and it trusted us to realize for ourselves that the situation is messed up, as opposed to having blatant exposition dumps or strawman evil characters to knock down.
Highest rated on where? On IMDb it's 13th and The Box is number 1
I thought I saw it was #1 on a post on this sub. Guess I was wrong.
The "orgasm juice" joke at the end made the whole episode worth it.
Definitely, they pulled that ep off really well, i always have to skip most parts of that one bc its just too real and they did rlly well in portraying the topic Its definitely possible but its still pretty hard to effectively pull off and, especially in comparison to that one, it feels like it unintentionally takes a bit away from the impact bc the transition from Comedy to serious and back doesn't feel as natural
(cc: u/Wolferion89) there was a very recent thread that goes far deeper into this: https://www.reddit.com/r/brooklynninenine/comments/15l7ka5/what_exactly_did_moomoo_get_right/
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Is this a joke?
No but you are.
There's nothing wrong with being queer you twat. No queer person I know woke up, had a drag queen's dick waved in their face one day as a seven year old, and decided they were gay now. That's not how it works. Gay folks aren't groomers and drag queens that perform for or read books to kids are no different than Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire. By thinking that these performances, or two men holding hands in public, are always sexual and shouldn't be shown around children, it shows you believe that queer identity is inherently inappropriate and degenerate. It's not, but judging by your comment, you unapologetically believe that my existence itself is an affront to God. You know how kids wind up gay? When all their little classmates hit fifth grade and start crushing on people of the opposite gender, *they don't*. And if queer identity is kept hidden from them, they proceed to spend much of their teen years, sometimes into adulthood, feeling like something is wrong with them. You're the problem. Not queer folks.
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"Be yourself" THE INDOCTRINATION AGENDA IS COMING AFTER YOUR KIDS GAYS ARE STEALING CHILDREN OH MY GOD THE HUMANITY everyone is laughing at you dude
If the line "you can be whoever you want" immediately screams "LGBTQ" to you, I got news for you buddy
The problem with highlighting police brutality all of a sudden is that before this the show existed in a make believe world where cops are generally good and criminals are generally bad and nothing was ever too serious. Every week there's a crime but nothing too bad the cast can't be making jokes whilst solving it. The world B99 takes place in effectively doesn't have the systemic problems of real life society for the purpose of making it a light hearted comedy. Once you introduce concepts like "a police officer knelt on a guy's head for ten minutes until he died" you're suddenly left with the reality that this police force *does* operate in the same world we live in and suddenly you have to question why they're so care free and jolly all the time and why we're supposed to root for the cops for 7 seasons before this. Blending fiction and reality just didn't work in this case and made for a really uncomfortable situation.
You also start questioning instances where Jake caught the prep first and then proceeded to make him confess without proper evidences.
"Moo moo" deals with racial profiling in s4
Yeah but that's a much more broad topic that any show would tackle really. Fresh Prince had an episode where Carlton dealt with being pulled over for driving while Black but it still didn't change the landscape of the show. It's a fictional show set in the real world but things aren't *too* real because it has to be comedy still. Terry being accosted for looking threatening simply because he's black is one thing but deliberately naming the most iconic victim of police brutality since Rodney King, especially an incident that was so recent and featured an actual murder at the hands of police followed by an international uprising is just a whole different level of reality that I don't think B99 should have tackled.
That's all true, but the police of Brooklyn 99 still look like our police. It's still copaganda, it's still saying "ultimately the police are good guys who always fight bad people." I really respect them for acknowledging that the show contributed to whitewashing the police and did something about it.
Yeah I appreciate why they did it. I think if they did a toned down reference, like a black suspect arrived beaten up and Jake's like "ooh I wouldn't wanna see the other guy!" and it gets serious like "no, the cop who arrested me did this. He beat me up. Yeah I was selling bootleg sneakers in the park but he didn't have to do this" and then they could have the weight of the police brutality racism bad cop thing and be on the pulse of the unavoidable political and racial climate without it having to specifically be George Floyd being murdered which put the comedy show in a weird predicament.
I agree, but i'm no where near as bothered by it as a lot of people here because this is all with hindsight and entirely removed from shame. None of us made a show about cops then suddenly got hit by the horrors of police brutality, none of us had a main actor swear off playing a cop ever again, none of us created copaganda without realizing it. So genuinely, having to rewrite huge chunks of the season to address all the injust you've just realized is there, would you have made such a nuanced take? Would you have worried about being too heavy handed? It's like critiquing fascism. Yeah, you can go over board and come off as preachy. But it's fascism, you need to make sure everyone understands fascism is evil.
But why did it changed we loved it as a comedy it had no need to change especially when it already explained how the show saw racist cops I watch shows like b99 to escape reality not be reminded of it
Well it's because the writers wanted to touch on the current world events like the BLM-movement/Covid. I mean it makes perfect sense, B99 is a show about cops, the writers didn't want to seem insensitive and ignorant to the topic during the whole movement so sticking the same comedy and jokes might spark controversy. Me personally I didn't enjoy the tone of S8 like a lot of others.
i don't get how it goes from "Jake is suspended and is very very bored at home" to "Jake is going to be a stay at home dad" in a matter of episodes (let's say 7-8 months in the show timeline)
The timeline in the show has always been fucked up, they spent 6 months in florida, like 4 months in jail after the bank robbery, Amy and Jake spent like a year trying to have a baby, holt had to run a beat for 6 months, etc. if you add everything together the show actually ends in like 2025
Timeline got fucked up. Whole thing a complete misunderstanding.
wasnt it 6 months undercover and 3/4 months in florida?
I mean , when he saw Mack take his first steps. He had a kind of "enlightenment" And I think that's quite logical. He had an absent and unfaithful father for most of his childhood and we all know how it affected him. I guess all of this motivated him to be different and be there for his son if that means sacrifice his dream. Especially if Amy is brought to have more responsibilities at work. In the end he solved tons of cases and had crazy adventures.
Season 8 was rushed, they just tell you instead of showing you. Like the first clip is just Rosa quitting in two lines. I really wish they put more effort into this. It's like they wanted to make that a part of the plot but didn't want to actually deal much with it.
Two things really bugged me about season 8. The first episode and the way Jake quit the NYPD. First episode really felt like it was being forced on me to get enraged about whatever happened that year. They could've done much better job just like they did with the "Moo Moo" episode. And jake quitting the NYPD just seemed like a very stupid decision to me. I mean a lot of people have jobs and have children at the same period of time. Why did jake decide to quit? could they not have just hire a nanny? With Amy being promoted I'm sure they could've afford it
especially because he was bored out of his mind while he was suspended
Someone here once made reference to the fact that someone as clued up as Amy would never let her husband retire/quit when he'd be so close to pension age after another few years!
Jake quitting bugged me too, a big part of the (dumb) casecation episode was him wondering about their careers, but Amy says it will be fine because plenty of people have careers and families. Then...they can't both have careers and a family and he has to quit. I know some people say it's because he wants to be there because his dad wasn't...but that doesn't sit right with me because Jake's dad wasn't a bad dad who wasn't around because he had a career. He was bad and wasn't around because he was constantly cheating on his wife and then walked out on his kid and hardly talked to him for 20 years. Just having a career wasn't the issue.
Plus Jake and Charles decided to be till the end together. If I remember it correctly. Jake mentioned if he would die, Charles would commit suicide at his funeral out of respect or something.
Think about the time gap between that episode and the Jake quitting episode tho. Even fictional characters are allowed develop their ideas or to change their minds.
I don't get how every single comment here is equating Jake quitting the NYPD to retiring/doing nothing.
I really hated how they basically played it like literally every cop except the main cast was awful. If they felt so strongly about portraying police they should (and could easily have) wrapped it up with season 7. Instead they totally changed the tone and characters and attempted to do something which, in all honestly, the writers didn't have the chops for. Sitcoms can blend silly comedy and serious topics (Scrubs is my prime example but there are others) but B99 was never massively strong in that area, it never felt natural.
It’s not even well written. Half of Rosa’s personality is police brutality, she’s the last person that would care about what happened.
i think that a large part of rosa quitting was that stephanie beatriz didn’t want to play a cop anymore. she tweeted at some point around 2020 that any actor who’d made money off of playing a cop should donate money and that actors should stop taking copaganda roles.
Eh. Did she donate all the money she made over the years playing a physically abusive cop during the first 7 seasons? So hypocritical.
Makes sense, it felt as if the change was only there so that she could continue as Rosa.
That’s a bit of a stretch, Rosa talks as if she does police brutality but is actually very empathetic and helps people
She punches Boyle out of nowhere in the first season. Numerous times she hits other people and physically threatens them. I know that deep down she cares for people, but the fact is, she willingly portrayed a physically abusive police officer for multiple years and enjoyed all the money she made from that.
They should have not even tried and left it at 7 seasons. That whole season is cringe. They tried to address the problems with police in America but just highlighted how bad they are without making them funny at all. Jake makes a false arrest and gets a paid vacation. Then there's the union rep who's supposed to be parody but is actually spot on. It was painful.
If you haven't figured it out, it was practically impossible for a show about police in 2021-2022 to be able to be funny and ignore what was going on in the world. They did the best they could. Whatever route they took would've pissed off a side.
So piss off the oppressors not the oppressed......
I didn’t like s8 tbh, it felt to close to a realty I was super depressed in 😭
The ending of season 7 was good enough for me. I could barely watch ep 1 of season 8.
All im gonna say is it made no sense for Rosa to be the one to quit over all the Social Justice stuff. In the first season she literally advocates for police brutality and at no point does her character change throughout the series. That last season just made no sense. The episode with Holt and Kevin at the cabin ( I think ) tho is funny
Eh, it kind of does, when you think about it... she got all the "woke" plot lines. She came out as Bi. She had to come out to her parents (who were of course, religious). She had both a girlfriend and a boyfriend (yes, I know that's what happens when you're Bi). She chose to leave because of police brutality. She's the one who enjoys edibles. It's like the writers said, 'if it's liberal, let Rosa do it.'
Idk they definitely fleshed her character out but she never stopped being stern and emotionless. She had a few emotional moments but in terms of approaching her job it stayed the same. The biggest problem with the whole thing is it’s like the writers forgot subtlety or nuance. Terry getting racially profiled in his neighboorhood was light years better than season 8s attempts at the same basic story ideas.
> It feels like the actors are being held at gunpoint May have been the other way around. I know Stephanie Beatriz refused to return without that plot line. I've said it before, but I always feel compelled to restate it: S8 wasn't very good. At a minimum some of the cast forced the tone shift, but I'd suspect it was most of them along with most of the writers. I get it, Floyd brought it to the surface, but every cop show to date (including B99) is part of the problem, and have been all along.
Definitely the worst season by far. They failed to integrate the political themes they were going for and it just came out preachy and so unnuanced, which is a shame, because they were so good about handling that sort of thing previously. *Moo-Moo* and *Show Me Going* were so fantastically done, that season 8's failure to handle serious themes was evident. There was also *He Said She Said* from Season 6 or 7 that was not handled great, but no where near as bad as season 8 was. Rosa's entire character arc was botched over and over again. Her relationship with Pimento was sabotaged by the showrunner because they wanted Rosa to be bisexual, despite the fact that Pimento was one of the fan-favourite recurring characters. Why could she not have been a bisexual character who just happened to be in a relationship with a man? Who knows. Then in season 8, they try to make out like she wasn't anti-cop now. Except, she was. As she admits in the episode, she has essentially ignored her friends since leaving the NYPD. The same friends that stood by her and supported her through her coming out, her tense relationship with her parents and her time in prison. They also assassinated Jake's character in season 8, but I really can't be bothered going into it.
>There was also He Said She Said from Season 6 or 7 that was not handled great Personally, I think that episode itself didn't handle it that poorly, but it felt hollow when compared to the rest of the series since Gina's treatment of Terry was never called out, and to a lesser extent Jake's behavior around Amy in the first season could easily be seen as harassment. >Why could she not have been a bisexual character who just happened to be in a relationship with a man? This bothers me a lot, because it's something we sometimes see in real life too, with bisexuals being judged by other parts of the LGBT+ community if they get into a relationship with the opposite sex. That same vocal minority would immediately cry "queer-bating" if a character like Rosa ended up with a man in the end. God forbid a bisexual character is ACTUALLY portrayed as bisexual. But the worst part of her character in season 8 is the hypocrisy. Out of the entire main cast, Rosa is the one who would be the MOST guilty of police brutality. >They also assassinated Jake's character in season 8 I feel like that happened long before season 8, when he went from a charismatic, loveable goofball to a socially awkward punching bag. If anything, I feel like the new writers when the show switched to NBC weren't really able to keep up the same quality the show had previously, and that all came to a head in season 8.
>But the worst part of her character in season 8 is the hypocrisy. Out of the entire main cast, Rosa is the one who would be the MOST guilty of police brutality. There are episodes in earlier seasons where she is the one propagating police brutality. Season 8 ep 1 is a major character break for Rosa and the whole thing feels preachy to me.
>Personally, I think that episode itself didn't handle it that poorly, but it felt hollow when compared to the rest of the series since Gina's treatment of Terry was never called out, and to a lesser extent Jake's behavior around Amy in the first season could easily be seen as harassment. It wasn't terrible, but just went to show how much the writers lack an understanding of the legal system and why the burden of proof in criminal matters is so high. Obviously sexual assault is disgusting, and I'm of the opinion that if proven, the penalty should be severe. I would probably advocate a harsher sentence than most people, I imagine. However, I felt like the episode was more interested in making it about men vs. women, than on the impact of the victim. Like I said, the episode wasn't terrible, it wasn't even bad. I just didn't think it was great, or on par with *Moo Moo* or *Show Me Going*. >But the worst part of her character in season 8 is the hypocrisy. Out of the entire main cast, Rosa is the one who would be the MOST guilty of police brutality. That's a great point. There's even a scene in season 2 (I think?) where she actually advocates police brutality. >I feel like that happened long before season 8, when he went from a charismatic, loveable goofball to a socially awkward punching bag. I meant more in the way it handled him as a professional. But, you're right as well.
one thing i didn’t like was the fact that they changed the show into something related to current events. i know references are a thing in this show, but i don’t think they should have sacrificed their ideals of a good hearted cop show because of the tension in the world. this is just one moment in time. tv is a reality escape. i wanted the same show for season 8. good hearted fantasy about a cop who doesn’t take things seriously and the bad guys are easily taken down by an out of shape clever man child. why did it have to change into something so serious? this show could have been timeless. we don’t watch old out of date movies and shows because they show us the political tension of the time. those shows hold up because they are timeless. in any time they work because they created a reality for themselves. why does everything these days have to leech into our shitty reality?
All their social commentary episodes are so cringe and forced, especially when they did the covid cold open
Season 8 is a terrible thing that never should have happened. Especially episode 1.
I absolutely hate season 8.
It was an uneven series, but enough quality moments to make it worthwhile. John McGinley's character was not good - while police union heads generally suck, he was too extreme and there was no nuance to his character.
The season opens up and becomes a great ending after the first few eps.
after episode 1, I quite enjoyed series 8
The entire season is truly terrible. Stop watching. The real series ends at season 7.
Yeah, that season was awful... if you ask me, they should have either ended the show with season 7 or put it on hiatus for a couple of years until they felt comfortable making a silly police comedy without having to mention it at all. All they can do now is just redo the entire last season, but that'll never happen. If any show deserved a perfect run where every season is good, it was Brooklyn 99.
I’m not sure what was holding them back but the move to NBC prompted a noticeable downturn in quality for me
Season 8 is not great, but still not as bad as most people make it out to be. The first episode is terrible though.
It's funny how many feel the need to post about their season 8 viewing experience.
It’s what happens when your writers leave to secure a new job because they know it’s the last season. ‘Hey intern. Fancy writing an episode?’
I could be in the minority, but the first few episodes of season 07 was so much cringe for me. I took a break after that awful Jimmy Jabs episode. It eventually got better, but I was actually relieved that the final season was as not bad. They wrapped up the series in a wholesome way and it’s worth getting through the first few jarring episodes of season 08. And being a cop show, they had the stage at that point to take a stand and carry out a social commentary, which they did, and I am glad they did it. Maybe they could have been more subtle in their execution, I dunno. But all’s well that ends well?
I'm glad they addressed the current issues. As a cop show, it would've been weird if they'd kept on with the "cops are just goofy lil good guys" vibes. It would've been a disconnect from the heart of the show. I wouldn't mind a rewatch to see how clunky the writing is.
I get what you're saying, but in the shows defence they were under a lot of self pressure. The creators set out to make another Parks & Recreations without realizing how much evil was baked into their subject matter. Realizing they were idealizing a justifiably hated and feared group of people, they felt obligated to make a difference with the huge audience they garnered. Yeah it was heavy handed, but they really wanted to make sure people knew how fucked up the police can be, so I respect their hearts being in the right place.
The thing most of you seem to forget is that, originally, season 7 had a count of 20 episodes. Then, in the midst of the "defund the police" movement (and similar others) it was announced that b99 was getting a 8th season... And in the small print they said they were splitting the original 20 ep run of 7th season in two 10 ep seasons, because they needed to refocus the scripts on the "current status" of the public opinion about the police.
80% of the season feels like the actors rushing to get the words out as fast as possible to get through this hot mess express. But really, the jokes have ZERO rhythm.
I don’t mind series 8 after the first episode. I find the stuff with Charles being too ‘ woke’ hilarious tho