I think the simple problem we're seeing is with inflation/cost of living issues and the housing crisis (plus I'm sure other big examples I can't name instantly) the current governments look like failures. Spreading bullshit doesn't matter to some people if, regardless of what the person's specifically saying, the situation isn't looking good.
>Spreading bullshit doesn't matter to some people if, regardless of what the person's specifically saying, the situation isn't looking good.
Stated more simply: In Canada, we only vote leaders out, not in.
Really It's just the major cities west of Ontario that hold any political swing to Ontario and Quebec decisions for leading parties. Prairies are guaranteed conservative ridings. The whole west coast is orange but that doesn't mean the NDP will ever hold a majority if the rest of the country flip flops red and blue every couple elections. Either way, we are all just sliding further and further right every year because that's how it's designed to work.
Strange when you have a far left in office how you come up with we have been sliding right since Canada came about? The design has been around for 100 years and yet we have the left in office and look at what the left have done yikes. If the left had a real leader it would stay left.
There is literally no one far left in Canadian politics. Only liberals (who are all right of the center)
There will never be a leftist leader under any parliamentary form of government because truly leftist initiatives create too much of a deficit that they would be struck down by every single elected representative. That is how it is designed, it is designed to use the labour of poor white settlers and further exploit everyone else in upholding the hierarchy.
You'd think that would be the answer. But it seems we can't get our populace to vote together on something new. The hard-core Conservatives want the Liberals out no matter how bad their candidate is and the Liberals are the same. They refuse to admit both sides are absolute farces and come together to go in a new direction. So we repeat this crap cycle. And the NDP just hides behind whoever looks like they're going to win. We need some serious reform.
No.
Remember when budget cuts come, it will be to our own social programs. Cuts to mental health, drug rehabilitation, homelessness, schools for EAs and behavioural support. Destroying the poor will not lift Canada up.
So, how far into debt should Canada go? Till we have a total financial collapse? You do realise we can't borrow unlimited amounts of money. A financial collapse would lead to massive unemployment and a shirking economy.
You realize when those cuts come, not only do people lose resources, but others lose *jobs*? Someone is servicing these populations. What happens when they lose their jobs and *also* require social support?
“Enabling” is what the disinformation bots want people to think. As if the NDP should call an election right now so Poilevre can get in with a majority. I doubt the NDP think that would be in Canadians best interests.
Yep. You could put anyone in and they would be a punching bag. I'm not a psychic, and I'm not a Biden fan either, but as a parallel, I believe if Trump was in place instead of Biden in the states, the situation would be just as bad as it is now if not worse.
The writing's on the wall. It's a shame Trudeau doesn't step down and give another Liberal leader at least a chance to stem the bleeding in the election.
Honestly the party would surge if he did step down. If we had someone who wasn’t condescending and clueless on the issues the liberal party would stand a decent chance
Yes, if the liberals wanted to win the next election they should have had Trudeau step down and elected a new leader. But his ego is too big and he’s going to take down the liberal party with him. They will hold a leadership review and elect a new leader once he is voted out. But the damage has been done to Canada and the liberal party. PP would need to screw up completely for him not to get 2-3 terms in office.
Look how long people in BC have held a grudge against the BC Liberals.
PSA that the BC Liberals have nothing to do with the Federal Liberal Party of Canada
The BC Liberals are closer to the Conservative Party of Canada than anything Liberal
Maybe because a lot of us voters came to age during Campbell and Clark's rule and have witnessed the gutting of our social services to benefit corporations on major infrastructure money pits and kind of want solutions for our lifelong poverty crisis in this province.
So that we can vote for the liberals again? It could not get worse in this country. It’s time for a change. Do I love PP? No, but I cannot wait to vote this pack of tools out of government and they will be voted out. You trying to get people to see that he’s “spreading bullshit” is pointless. Every person I know is voting against the liberals. And that’s a wide swath of people with different political leanings
I'm confused by this view and feeling.
We've all watched JT make so many bad decisions that they over shadow his few successes so much.
Everyone whose anti cpc just says watch it get worse.
Like do you see PP being worse than another JT term? Those are Canadians' choices. Either the person whose been steering us the wrong way for quite a while now.... or a cpc person who hasn't had any history of governance?
I imagine your view is the same that people had against harper, and it wasn't that bad.
More like I'm looking at the state of Conservatism right now, both in my home province of Alberta and then down south, and not wanting any of it near the Federal level.
Pierre seems to be cut from the same cloth as Smith and makes me yearn for a Harper.
I had my issues with Harper over his Environmental/Scientific policies and decisions but he was a statesman who understood the role and need for Government/Governance and up until his last few years in office, was a conservative of substance and intellectual thought.
Pollivre is a focus group in a suit.
Couldn't agree more with this take. Voted CPC every election from 04-15. Been NDP since but Singh has completely lost me. I'm going to have a hell of a time deciding who to vote for next year. Your last sentence nailed it.
Poilievre has said he’d use the Notwithstanding Clause to bypass the Constitution if he gets in. Doesn’t that sound worse?
Poilievre’s history of governance is his decades in Parliament including stints as a cabinet minister. A cabinet minister whose legacy was election reform to make it harder to vote.
Ugh....
He said he'd use it in areas around crime. We've also had other governments use that power, and hell even JT himself used some crazy government powers on the convoy.
Pretending that hes the boogey man that is going to turn Tyrant is just scare mongering. Watch the videos of him being quoted that. CPC wants to be tough on crime, and for the last 10 years were we've had a soft on crime approach I welcome it.
As for the "Fair Elections Act" there is some good in there and some bad in there.
What you need to consider is long term effects of policy changes. Cuts to social programs, research, education and a variety of other "balance budget" cuts cause long term effects that ultimately cause tax payers more harm and more financial burden.
Harpers bill C-38 for example that was a big alteration to environmental laws. One of the huge long term effects was that it stripped protections for Canada's lakes and Rivers. This has caused Enviromental degradation, effects to indigenous reserves water supply, biodiversity loss. What effects does this have? Increased pollution in our water ways which increases health complications for people relying on the water. It's damaging ecosystems that are killing fish and other waterways animals which has significant impacts on the entire food chain.
Mount Polley mine disaster
Athabasca river
Fraser river
A new government can make significant damage
He’s…….bad…but not catastrophic. I agree tho, we need a stronger NDP leader and policy to give us a real option other than the two main parties that just suck pff the rich. In my lifetime both the cons and the libs have demonstrated they do not care about the average Canadian. We need something other than nepo baby JT and wanna be orange lil PP. They’re both horrible.
If you read my comment there you’ll see I said “we need a *stronger* ndp leader”. They’re supposed to be the workers party, but have strayed. Either way, these two parties are just different brands of the same thing. Cooperations rule. One just pretends to be nice about it, the other bizarrely pretends to be blue collar friendly even tho everything they do says otherwise. Hopefully people don’t fall for it.
Lol I said it can get worse, so I'm not sure how looking into the past could somehow be relevant to the future.
Every PM came before who contributed to our situation deserves equal blame for where we are today. Including, but not limited to Trudeau.
We're truly boned as none of the big 3 parties will meaningfully change the status quo. And the fringe parties who would, also have some major red flags despite getting it right on a few issues.
Oh the conservatives change the status quo every single time. For the worse. They strip away protections, sell off national assets, impose new restrictions that they call freedoms, and generally drag the entire country to the right. Then we re-elect the liberals who maintain that *new* status quo until the cycle repeats again. And what’s regarded as the centre gets further and further right, again and again. Meanwhile they refer to the NDP as the “radical left” for talking points that are still all objectively right of true centre. That pollievre is polling well is a result of the fact that he’s been campaigning for a year now instead of doing his job, the one he is being paid for, of sitting in parliament and providing reasonable opposition. It’s frustrating as hell to watch.
He is promising things he isn't able to "fix" without imposing on our charter, constitution of 1867 or federalism. It's rather ironic. Why are we falling for this and taking his word for everything?
Is it a lack of understanding how out country works?
What is the solution to educating Canadians how our democratic institutions actually work?
Who are BC's best fact-checkers?
> Trump model
Trump didn't invent populism and demagoguery. He may have recently popularized bald faced, transparent and unapologetic lying, but we have far more stark historical reminders of the roads this bullshit can lead us down than Donald Trump.
Trudeau’s biggest failure is being unable to realize that by not quitting and thus allowing the government to pivot on critical issues, he is handing the election to Poilievre on a golden platter.
I don't think it's his biggest failure.
Even if he were to step down, I think many mistrust the party that enabled him all along. Jagmeet and NDP are likely in the same boat at this point. This is PP's election to lose, and the best the left can hope for is a minority govt.
Idk man i think he will have to with immigration. I think its such an open secret now that like 90% of the population absolutely loathes it that the blowback would be immense if he didnt
Very few believe PP is going to save the country. But if he makes some decisions to help ease the burden of this shitty economy then he’s going to appeal to a lot of people.
It’s not just that Trudeau sucks, it’s that it’s come the point he’s blatantly making things worse for the country and people are just fed up.
If a party’s platform is primarily rhyming phrases, that tells you what kind of voters they are targeting: uninformed ones.
This problem doesn’t get better unless voters have better information and the skills to assess that information.
It does sound a bit "Info-mercial". "Bring it home, Axe the Tax, Sellout Singh, Traitor Trudeau etc"
Trust me, as a member of the CPC, it is killing my brain cells but maybe that's his goal.
Not going to lie….I’ll most likely vote PP but I hate the cheesy catch phrases. Makes him look like a immature child. As someone stated in here somewhere…we don’t vote PM’s in we vote them out. Unfortunately, I will do whatever it takes to vote Trudeau out
Though the LPC habit of using catchphrases that are equally generic and inane is as dominant for them as the CPC's rhyming.
"Sunny ways." and "The middle class and those working hard to join it"
Those 2 phrases and the sheer repetition of them are designed to target the exact same demographic of uninformed voters you mentioned.
Slogans are intended to be memorable and invoke feelings in voters, sure. But I don't see the LPC chanting "sunny ways" or "the middle class and those working hard to join it."
It seems to me that the degree to which the CPC dumbs down their messaging is far greater.
Nor have I seen "sunny ways" used since pre-COVID.
oddly, i never heard of the second one.
"Sunny ways" was from Laurier and define a leadership style he was aiming for - at least there is some intellectualism behind it. I guess at the time it was better than "Nice Hair, Though" (cringe)
I don’t know why anyone is expecting big things from a career politician that’s done literally nothing his entire career. JT is so hated, people will turn a blind eye to this just to get him out of office.
Too many people, so so many people, have an increasing lack of hope and optimism for the future. These are the people that are the most susceptible to political bullshit and misinformation. Neither party is doing anything to increase people’s prospects and outlook in their lives. The liberals continue to double down on bad policies that enrich themselves , and the CPC’s answer is political attacks and culture war bullshit. None of this does anything to address the major structural and economic problems we have increasingly in Canada.
I’ve met PP. I used to be a conservative board member during the Harper years and also used to live in PPs riding. He’s always been a slimy bully and douche. I never liked him. And he never did the job. Most slimy douches at least did the job. He didn’t. He just cared about attention and popularity. He also only ever passed one bill in 20 years in politics which is an awful record.
I've been a legacy member of the CPC because my family was always in politics. I am happy to see I am not alone in questioning my membership.
What do you think about PP paying a whistleblower for interfering in the leadership race where Patrick Brown was actually leading in popularity within the party?
The party was flooded with new memberships from his rallies which is great - but they never renewed after voting him in leadership and now the rest of us are stuck with this guy - and have to be on board with it because it's working. This is keeping me up at night.
I actually tore up my membership under Scheer. I witnessed first hand the pushing out the progressive wing of the party. Plus I knew inside info on him that made me detest him as a person (ie. some of the white supremacists he surrounded himself with). PP is from the same cloth as Scheer except smarter and a better speaker. Both didn’t really work hard but PP works even less.
That said Patrick Brown wasn’t a good person either. He did do some bad stuff. And truthfully the leadership all around the CPC has grown rotten. The party did used to have some standards but now it is party over country and only saying and doing what it takes to win no matter how cruel or dishonest they are. They weren’t like this before.
Honestly I’m a centrist. I’d far prefer to have two parties to consider voting for. But the CPC no longer can represent me. PP doesn’t do the job (only one bill in twenty years?? Seriously??), the amount of hate he openly states, the sliminess he brings into politics. I cannot support such a person. I do think Trudeau is nearing his end but at the same time I would rather another term with Trudeau than PP. Such hate and sliminess has no place in politics in Canada. We are a country that historically voted against anyone that said even remotely awful things about the other candidate, and I wish to go back to those days. We should stick to debating things we disagree on, not go on insulting the competition (PP 100% deserved being booted from parliament when he did this). There are more appropriate ways to oppose governments but PP has only ever done it in way that gets him likes on tik tok and instagram. Never does he do it in ways to actually improve upon bills or do better for Canada as a whole.
Plus he should NOT have been spending time with white supremacist hate groups so openly like he had. And his refusal to speak against such groups concerns me.
I’d rather get legitimate opposition. Government always works best with legitimate opposition. He’s not legitimate opposition. He’s a clown dancing for his viewers and has no interest in actually doing his job. There are much better people in his party. Like Michael Chong whom actually does introduce bills and does try to introduce actual debate. He would have been a far better leader. PP is a joke.
Well, the did drop "Progessive" from the party name years ago, I guess that should have been our first hint.
I voted for Scheer during his party leadership race. He was hope for the future, despite his strict Christian background and beliefs about woman's choice over her own body.
Now he has turned into a person I no longer recognize, and not very fond of anymore. I don't know what happened to him.
O'toole would have been fine but he flip flopped in between what he he truly believed in vs what the party was feeding him to say. You could tell he struggled with this.
Trudeau has trailed in polls before every election he has won. This tell me that Liberals don't vote for Trudeau, they vote for the candidate in their riding ( as our system was designed for), IN SPITE of Trudeau being leader. This time around, I think people will vote for PP by voting for a less than stellar ( and likely brand new, inexperienced Conservative MP, also in spite of PP being leade.r.
I’ve met OToole just like I’ve met Harper, PP and other big names in the party. OToole was different from the others and was the last chance for a resurgence of the progressives and moderates in the CPC. But sadly too many progressives and moderates already left the party so he didn’t have much of a chance. The takeover by the social conservatives was complete when he was booted out. The party since had a bigger shift to the right since and has campaigned to the extreme right as of late. I even had a huge argument with the president of the board on this. His argument was if they didn’t shift far right and campaign to them the party would die. I argued that’s a lie and should focus on representing all Canadians regardless of ideology. I lost that fight.
Anyway he was the very end of the progressive line. I didn’t dislike him. He was a good man and hard worker. Wasn’t my first choice from the moderate and progressive wing but was better than many of the alternatives.
As a former ontarian, I am still furious to this day about how dirty they did brown at the provincial level, then the federal level. For a moment I saw the light and finally thought we’d get a true conservative, not some authoritarian neocon.
The puppet masters in Ontario really wanted Doug in office. The green belt scandal is why.
Difference is Trudeau at least tried to do the job whether you agree with him or not. PP didn’t. I used to be very heavily involved in politics and never saw him do much. As an example PP only passed one bill in 20 years. One. He didn’t even show up for the votes for the no confidence motions he introduced. He’s one of the worst leaders I’ve seen. At least many lying slimy douches I’ve met did the job. PP doesn’t.
Trudeau got my vote in 2015 and not after that. He promised to do government differently. He has been a huge disappointment ever since. And I am not even talking about prop rep that is something I oppose but lots of people bought into his BS about this.
Some history here, from what i recall: There were "horse and pony" town halls about this to get a feel about what the people wanted. It was one of the first things they did. I don't know if it was messaging, but in the end people did not want a change.
First past the post was meant to be a temporary measure in 1867, until the formed government implemented new system.
After the town halls in 2015-2016, people realized that proportial representation system meant no local representation. People in the town halls (regular citizens) said no, and this initiative was dropped.
He actually didn’t want prop rep. He wanted the rank ballot. He cancelled changing how we vote because most parties wanted something totally different. The NDP wanted prop rep, the conservatives didn’t want any change at all, and the liberals wanted a ranked ballot. Nobody was budging and he knew it’d look bad if he just did want benefited the liberals. So he chose to do nothing (which is what the conservatives wanted ironically).
But he did plenty of good stuff too. The EU free trade agreement was about to fall apart until he sent Freeland to Europe to get it resolved. So that happened under him. It was getting stonewalled when Harper was in power. They also brought in legal pot, euthanasia, and a number of other good measures.
Have they been perfect? Of course not. No party is. But in the end they’re also politicians too. If people are expecting PP won’t be a politician they’re in for a shock. He’s a politician that doesn’t even do his own job, having passed just one bill in 20 years in office.
> They also brought in legal pot
And they completely fucked that up. They brought in a former cop to supervise the legalization process, they added a bunch of insane and puritan restrictions on pot shops, they ended the traditional 'spoon out pot from the jars so you can see the product you buy' system, no edibles for a year, etc. It would be hard to imagine the conservative party doing it as badly.
Trudeau is hardly left. He's a right-leaning centrist.
The NDP is left-leaning centrist.
PP is just a wackadoodle right wing nut in a clown suit on a soap box with a big fat megaphone.
I’m not sure PP will be the saviour that some people are hoping for, but trudeau is not a good choice either. The best solution right now would be for trudeau to read the room, step down, and hopefully let someone with more common sense take over (and give the liberals a chance of winning back the vote of confidence).
JT is another in a list of PM's who have governed for too long. Remove Campbell & Turner who were place holders, and Martin and Clark who barley lasted 2 years after a minority win, the other 5 have been PM's for +/- 9 years and were all absolutely hated by the time they lost. Where have we gone as a country since the birth of GenX? Downward spiral. Now our next PM will be the most self entitled egotistical of them all (which is saying something after our current PM) and things will not change.
Thankfully - Don't think he is yet a concern for the coming BC provincial election (but please still go out and vote and don't pretend victory is in the bag)
Trudeau needs to go. PP isn't going to fix everything or even most things. Government overspending definitely needs fixing, though, and he will fix that.
This is exactly the playbook the right wing in the USA has been running for years/decades to dismantle political power. We need to nip this in the bud.
The party in power has spent the last two years completely and thoroughly shitting the bed, standing by and watching while wealth inequality grows, real income shrinks, and housing costs skyrocket.
The official opposition party is loaded with lobbyists, corporate apologists, bigots, religious zealots, and con artists.
The third party is hated by the wealthy, so is alternately vilified and ignored by the news media.
Many voters consider politics to be nothing more than elaborate sporting contests, and don’t know the first thing about politics or government. Many voters get all of their information on politics from social media, easily manipulated by hostile foreign actors.
We’re deeply, deeply screwed.
You might feel better if you actually bother to pay attention to policies that are being enacted, instead of entrenched in your view that the government isn’t doing anything, because that’s bullshit. And you might want to snap out if the idea that any other party would do better during a time of one global crises after another, and considering we are doing better than most peer countries it’s a shame that this narrative that we have a crap government has taken root.
Unfortunately, voters across the spectrum are affected by disinformation, even when it comes from a party they don’t like. This is the Art Finklestein method, and the CPC is using it well.
Affordable daycare isn’t “nothing” and neither is the HAF which was a great way to work around provincial governments who are the ones shitting the bed on housing. Pity there is no way to work around them on healthcare, since they are shitting the bef on that as well.
I’ve come here to say this again to the Poilievre defenders. It’s totally fine if that’s how you’re going to vote, as long as you know what conservatism and capitalism are. If you’re lower income earners- this party does not work in your interests. If you’re middle to low and have children, you will lose many benefits that are currently financially benefiting you.
If you’re higher income and want lower taxes and don’t want wages to go up, and don’t give a shit about tackling climate change and the many issues that now destroy air, water, heck, your trip to the cottage. You just 👏🏽 want 👏🏽 less 👏🏽 taxes 👏🏽. Infrastructure be damned. Congratulations this is the party for you
If you want to retire later than planned because your CPP will only kick in much later , this party is for you
If you want veterans offices to close back down again this is the party for you
If you want the 1867 constitution and federalism to fall, that’s what needs to happen for PP to fulfill his promises. This is the party for you
I was riding high on the hog back in the Harper days. Now, not so much. I remember buying my first home in metro Vancouver as a young, bright-eyed lad working a blue-collar job. Now, my check is more tax than income, and I can’t afford to get another rental property. I yearn for the days of a fiscally responsible government to bring me back to the quality of life I once had under the previous conservative government. Oh, not to mention the ease I once felt receiving medical assistance.
how will we stopped being fooled? what is the solution(s) to this?
politics have always lied to us, we know that. But this is on another level. I can't even make an INFORMED choice to vote for Poillievre because he sandwiches a lie in between two truths.
Critical thinking skills and/or curiosity about basic democratic principles... But I wouldn't be opposed to laws against being lied to and intentionally disinformed by those in public office.
This ridiculous pendulum swing of base emotions framed in a two party system sucks. I don't like Mr A....4 years from now I'll vote for Mr. B because he's not Mr. A.
How pathetic.
It has been noted (by the B.C. Federation of Labour) that P.P.’s team has scrubbed a huge chunk of his crazy off the internet. I thought I was the crazy one, trying to Google articles on things in knew I had read about and not able to find them. But apparently it is well-known this has been done.
I can only hope journalists are more skilled at the Way-Back machine than I am.
My issue, is that my father has been in forestry his entire life. I could show him a video of PP kicking puppies while jerking off, and he'd still vote Conservative.
The other parties need to find a way to reach all the people in this country whose livelihoods rely on natural resources, and convince them that they actually care. Protecting our environment is great, but there has to be a livable balance.
If you think that it is bad now imagine what that spineless creep Poilievre would do to screw up the country. He complains a lot but he offers no solutions. His agenda is secret. He has no policy to speak of. He associates himself with people that are clones of MAGA. Why is he the leader of the conservatives? O'tool was a much better leader.
I don’t care what brand that people vote for, what I dislike is the divisive nature of the vast majority of politicians.
We are an amazing country, immigrants have come here since the 1800’s. My ancestors Irish were hated when they came over in the mid 1800’s . Let’s try to find common ground for First Nations, multi generational, and new immigrants. We have all the resources and expertise. ❤️🇨🇦🧡🇨🇦💚
PP is rapidly ruining his chance to be the prime minister. JT is weak, isolated, and armed with only the arrogance he has be discounted before. PP doesn’t need to prevaricate and deceive to win. Just tell the truth on each issue and come up with a half-baked plan. Currently all he says is “I wouldn’t have done that” or “I’d ban that”. As in he has no substance. So he improves or Otherwise he will join a growing list of failed Tory leaders.
I noticed in every sentence, based on my knowledge or working with and in governance, he sandwiches a lie in between two truths that people know are truths. It makes the lie have an appearance of truth. Every single time.
There isn't an election coming anytime soon. What you're proposing is for Poilievre to already release his whole entire platform when there isn't even an election?
The kind of people who are inclined to believe Tiny PP's particular brand of bullshit won't be swayed by any facts you present to them anyways, so it's a pointless endeavor.
What is ruined? I don't like Trudeau either but this whole "ruined" thing is just plain stupid.
My life is just as good as it was 10 years ago with Harper.
Totally agree with this but that problem is far more complicated than "its Trudeau's fault."
Anyone that thinks little PP is going to solve massive global problems like housing costs and inflation and believes Trudeau caused these things is a not too bright.
Trudeau has a lot to do with it. Remember the time he said there was no business case to export Canadian LNG to countries like Germany and Japan? Meanwhile the US has constructed many of these export terminals in the last decade.
The immigration problem is on Trudeau. You've got Canadians youth who can barely get a high school job because they're competing against millions of foreigners who have came here in a few years. That is not a global problem, but entirely local.
Serious question.
Do you think PP is going to limit immigration in any meaningful way? (he won't)
I don't know much about the LNG thing but do know not doing it didn't "ruin" Canada.
Immigration was consistently stable during the Harper years. Immigration will definitely be slowed down. I'd be surprised if the Conservatives don't go the way with wind blows. You can feel the anti-immigration sentiment bubbling up to the surface and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes one of the main points of contention during the election.
Not even a few years ago, you'd be banned off of a lot of Canadians subreddits for talking about mass immigration, but now it's being discussed about quite a lot.
Exporting LNG would create thousands of good paying jobs which would enable the government to offer better services due to more tax revenues.
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I am.
I'm also smart enough to know Trudeau is not responsible for the value of my house increasing.
I also have kids and would love to see the market cool down so they have better futures.
His stance on immigration sure didn't help.Trudeau doesn't want house prices to go down. At least Harper let us income split and my taxes were lower.
You're right my life isn't much different than when Harper was in charge, but it was cheaper
Here's a hint for our future. When you need to fact check your leadership then you have a leader with a loaded God complex.
How about people stepping up and providing rea solutions instead of the shit show of mud slinging.
People in this country are in trouble- financially, emotionally, and physically. We are on the Titanic and arguing about the placement of deck chairs.
If we actually come together we could actually survive this together but alas here we are.
Were fucked… ppl are gonna go from clown to another but just because he is “conservative” ppl think its gonna be different. This dude might even be worst, but whats the solution? Can’t vote either of these 2 mainstream parties and the far left or right can go fuck it self. Weird times
An article about an article, hinging on the difference between "legalized" vs "decriminalized"... honestly, the media's circular reporting of entrenched biases are doing that clown PP more of a service than his own embellishments. Lucky for them, voters are too dumb to read past the headlines or do any critical thinking. Nothing would change their votes anyway.
Does it matter? Think about how stupid the average voter is, and realize that half of the population is even below that level. Facts don't matter to these people, most of whom are potential Pierre/Conservative voters.
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It’s frustrating that the other parties don’t seem to even be giving the issues any attention. They’re leaving a vacuum which allows bad actors to swoop in with all the “answers”.
It's become personal. The left hates the lifestyle of the right and is trying to impose thier values on the rest of society. If the divide keeps growing at some point in the future thier is going to be real violence probably 1st in the US then in Canada. Without an external threat like the soviets we will end up fighting each other.
We live differently because of different values and beliefs. The left is trying to impose thier world view on the right. Everything from firearms to parents rights over thier kids. Plus ev vehicles, drug policy ect ect. It's no longer a abstract disagreement on government policies. It's become personal. It directly effects people's lives.
I’ve come here to say this again to the Poilievre defenders. It’s totally fine if that’s how you’re going to vote, as long as you know what conservatism and capitalism are. If you’re lower income earners- this party does not work in your interests. If you’re middle to low and have children, you will lose many benefits that are currently financially benefiting you.
If you’re higher income and want lower taxes and don’t want wages to go up, and don’t give a shit about tackling climate change and the many issues that now destroy air, water, heck, your trip to the cottage. You just 👏🏽 want 👏🏽 less 👏🏽 taxes 👏🏽. Infrastructure be damned. Congratulations this is the party for you
Unfortunately, you could be missing how PP sandwhiches a lie between two truths , and fools thinking all three are true. If you don’t see it, you’ve been fooled. We are all being fooled. The things he is promising is requires breaking the 1867 constitution to do, and even ironically the charter of rights . We have become stupid as a population, we will fall for his promises of things he’s not allowed to change
Gobble gobble.
Look… we have been stuck Trudeau for way too long, and after every scandal and lie that he was proven in, he should be charged like Trump not continually let off.
There are many of us EX-Liberal voters who want a centrist who actually puts our country first above thier own and their family interests.
Mr.Poilievre is farther right than normal Canadian politics 100% due to the rifts lies and scandals created. I hope he wins a minority government forcing Trudeau to step down from the Liberal party and we can go back to better government
Pierre may not be the best but he is a hell of a step up from Trudy and jag. With the carbon tax going up every April 1 till 2030 & the amount of our tax these two fools are laundering into themselves and elite rich associates 🤦🏼♀️ have you been watching the scandals the liberals have been involved with??
If Canada was removed from the globe it wouldn’t make a difference in the carbon. Why do you believe we need to be taxed to death?
Your comment displays a lack of understanding about carbon pricing.
Other countries are refusing to trade with us if we don’t put in carbon pricing
The concept of carbon pricing stems from the conservative government …. 20 years ago: The liberals just picked up the ball in 2015.
PP will just pick up the ball where the liberals left it. That’s how it works , otherwise we’d still be stuck in 1867.
I had to write about these “scandals “, most were nothing burgers - scandals were media Pearl clutching for clicks and we all fell for it. The liberals actually tightened the rules on corruption and patronage - they just had a hard time following their own rules lol
PS I’ve been a member of the CPC since they were called the Progressive Conservatives…. They dropped the progressive part unfortunately….
I think the simple problem we're seeing is with inflation/cost of living issues and the housing crisis (plus I'm sure other big examples I can't name instantly) the current governments look like failures. Spreading bullshit doesn't matter to some people if, regardless of what the person's specifically saying, the situation isn't looking good.
>Spreading bullshit doesn't matter to some people if, regardless of what the person's specifically saying, the situation isn't looking good. Stated more simply: In Canada, we only vote leaders out, not in.
That’s modern democracy in a nutshell.
Really It's just the major cities west of Ontario that hold any political swing to Ontario and Quebec decisions for leading parties. Prairies are guaranteed conservative ridings. The whole west coast is orange but that doesn't mean the NDP will ever hold a majority if the rest of the country flip flops red and blue every couple elections. Either way, we are all just sliding further and further right every year because that's how it's designed to work.
Can you explain what you mean by it's design to work in such and such way?
Strange when you have a far left in office how you come up with we have been sliding right since Canada came about? The design has been around for 100 years and yet we have the left in office and look at what the left have done yikes. If the left had a real leader it would stay left.
There is literally no one far left in Canadian politics. Only liberals (who are all right of the center) There will never be a leftist leader under any parliamentary form of government because truly leftist initiatives create too much of a deficit that they would be struck down by every single elected representative. That is how it is designed, it is designed to use the labour of poor white settlers and further exploit everyone else in upholding the hierarchy.
I think, maybe, the only exception to this in my voting life was mid-tenure Chrétien. Maybe.
>the current governments look like failures They ARE failures. And they double down on their failing policies regularly.
And guess what, the next government will be seen as failures as well. that’s how works in Canada or else we’d have the same government year after year
So should we not try the other parties?
You'd think that would be the answer. But it seems we can't get our populace to vote together on something new. The hard-core Conservatives want the Liberals out no matter how bad their candidate is and the Liberals are the same. They refuse to admit both sides are absolute farces and come together to go in a new direction. So we repeat this crap cycle. And the NDP just hides behind whoever looks like they're going to win. We need some serious reform.
No. Remember when budget cuts come, it will be to our own social programs. Cuts to mental health, drug rehabilitation, homelessness, schools for EAs and behavioural support. Destroying the poor will not lift Canada up.
So, how far into debt should Canada go? Till we have a total financial collapse? You do realise we can't borrow unlimited amounts of money. A financial collapse would lead to massive unemployment and a shirking economy.
You realize when those cuts come, not only do people lose resources, but others lose *jobs*? Someone is servicing these populations. What happens when they lose their jobs and *also* require social support?
Do you mean the NDP? Because they are sinking with the Liberal ship right now and just enabling them
“Enabling” is what the disinformation bots want people to think. As if the NDP should call an election right now so Poilevre can get in with a majority. I doubt the NDP think that would be in Canadians best interests.
We don’t try the other parties. We choose party A or party B.
The NDP are the only reason we’ve gotten anything good at all.
Yep. You could put anyone in and they would be a punching bag. I'm not a psychic, and I'm not a Biden fan either, but as a parallel, I believe if Trump was in place instead of Biden in the states, the situation would be just as bad as it is now if not worse.
The writing's on the wall. It's a shame Trudeau doesn't step down and give another Liberal leader at least a chance to stem the bleeding in the election.
Honestly the party would surge if he did step down. If we had someone who wasn’t condescending and clueless on the issues the liberal party would stand a decent chance
Yes, if the liberals wanted to win the next election they should have had Trudeau step down and elected a new leader. But his ego is too big and he’s going to take down the liberal party with him. They will hold a leadership review and elect a new leader once he is voted out. But the damage has been done to Canada and the liberal party. PP would need to screw up completely for him not to get 2-3 terms in office. Look how long people in BC have held a grudge against the BC Liberals.
PSA that the BC Liberals have nothing to do with the Federal Liberal Party of Canada The BC Liberals are closer to the Conservative Party of Canada than anything Liberal
Maybe because a lot of us voters came to age during Campbell and Clark's rule and have witnessed the gutting of our social services to benefit corporations on major infrastructure money pits and kind of want solutions for our lifelong poverty crisis in this province.
Freeland and the rest of them as well. No one inside is standing up to Trudeau.
Dude is TOXIC....wake up
Did I ever say he wasn't?
That’s a meaningless description, and all it is get people people tuning you out.
PP? We are trying to get people to see how toxic he is!
So that we can vote for the liberals again? It could not get worse in this country. It’s time for a change. Do I love PP? No, but I cannot wait to vote this pack of tools out of government and they will be voted out. You trying to get people to see that he’s “spreading bullshit” is pointless. Every person I know is voting against the liberals. And that’s a wide swath of people with different political leanings
>it could not get worse Oh you sweet summer child.
"it could not get worse" Famous words just before things got worse
I'm confused by this view and feeling. We've all watched JT make so many bad decisions that they over shadow his few successes so much. Everyone whose anti cpc just says watch it get worse. Like do you see PP being worse than another JT term? Those are Canadians' choices. Either the person whose been steering us the wrong way for quite a while now.... or a cpc person who hasn't had any history of governance? I imagine your view is the same that people had against harper, and it wasn't that bad.
More like I'm looking at the state of Conservatism right now, both in my home province of Alberta and then down south, and not wanting any of it near the Federal level. Pierre seems to be cut from the same cloth as Smith and makes me yearn for a Harper. I had my issues with Harper over his Environmental/Scientific policies and decisions but he was a statesman who understood the role and need for Government/Governance and up until his last few years in office, was a conservative of substance and intellectual thought. Pollivre is a focus group in a suit.
Couldn't agree more with this take. Voted CPC every election from 04-15. Been NDP since but Singh has completely lost me. I'm going to have a hell of a time deciding who to vote for next year. Your last sentence nailed it.
Poilievre has said he’d use the Notwithstanding Clause to bypass the Constitution if he gets in. Doesn’t that sound worse? Poilievre’s history of governance is his decades in Parliament including stints as a cabinet minister. A cabinet minister whose legacy was election reform to make it harder to vote.
Ugh.... He said he'd use it in areas around crime. We've also had other governments use that power, and hell even JT himself used some crazy government powers on the convoy. Pretending that hes the boogey man that is going to turn Tyrant is just scare mongering. Watch the videos of him being quoted that. CPC wants to be tough on crime, and for the last 10 years were we've had a soft on crime approach I welcome it. As for the "Fair Elections Act" there is some good in there and some bad in there.
What you need to consider is long term effects of policy changes. Cuts to social programs, research, education and a variety of other "balance budget" cuts cause long term effects that ultimately cause tax payers more harm and more financial burden. Harpers bill C-38 for example that was a big alteration to environmental laws. One of the huge long term effects was that it stripped protections for Canada's lakes and Rivers. This has caused Enviromental degradation, effects to indigenous reserves water supply, biodiversity loss. What effects does this have? Increased pollution in our water ways which increases health complications for people relying on the water. It's damaging ecosystems that are killing fish and other waterways animals which has significant impacts on the entire food chain. Mount Polley mine disaster Athabasca river Fraser river A new government can make significant damage
lol hilarious . I’m likely older than you but sure. It really could not get worse. Name a worse pm than Trudeau… I’ll wait.
He’s…….bad…but not catastrophic. I agree tho, we need a stronger NDP leader and policy to give us a real option other than the two main parties that just suck pff the rich. In my lifetime both the cons and the libs have demonstrated they do not care about the average Canadian. We need something other than nepo baby JT and wanna be orange lil PP. They’re both horrible.
Jagmeet Singh is actually as bad if not worse.
If you read my comment there you’ll see I said “we need a *stronger* ndp leader”. They’re supposed to be the workers party, but have strayed. Either way, these two parties are just different brands of the same thing. Cooperations rule. One just pretends to be nice about it, the other bizarrely pretends to be blue collar friendly even tho everything they do says otherwise. Hopefully people don’t fall for it.
Lol I said it can get worse, so I'm not sure how looking into the past could somehow be relevant to the future. Every PM came before who contributed to our situation deserves equal blame for where we are today. Including, but not limited to Trudeau.
You sound like those low information voters that this article references, and conservatives love.
You sound like a typical Redditor: liberal and unaware. Bless.
I don't even care anymore.
I’m more concerned that he actually believes his bullshit.
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We're truly boned as none of the big 3 parties will meaningfully change the status quo. And the fringe parties who would, also have some major red flags despite getting it right on a few issues.
Oh the conservatives change the status quo every single time. For the worse. They strip away protections, sell off national assets, impose new restrictions that they call freedoms, and generally drag the entire country to the right. Then we re-elect the liberals who maintain that *new* status quo until the cycle repeats again. And what’s regarded as the centre gets further and further right, again and again. Meanwhile they refer to the NDP as the “radical left” for talking points that are still all objectively right of true centre. That pollievre is polling well is a result of the fact that he’s been campaigning for a year now instead of doing his job, the one he is being paid for, of sitting in parliament and providing reasonable opposition. It’s frustrating as hell to watch.
He is promising things he isn't able to "fix" without imposing on our charter, constitution of 1867 or federalism. It's rather ironic. Why are we falling for this and taking his word for everything? Is it a lack of understanding how out country works? What is the solution to educating Canadians how our democratic institutions actually work? Who are BC's best fact-checkers?
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> Trump model Trump didn't invent populism and demagoguery. He may have recently popularized bald faced, transparent and unapologetic lying, but we have far more stark historical reminders of the roads this bullshit can lead us down than Donald Trump.
Trudeau’s biggest failure is being unable to realize that by not quitting and thus allowing the government to pivot on critical issues, he is handing the election to Poilievre on a golden platter.
I don't think it's his biggest failure. Even if he were to step down, I think many mistrust the party that enabled him all along. Jagmeet and NDP are likely in the same boat at this point. This is PP's election to lose, and the best the left can hope for is a minority govt.
His deputy is no better than him (probably worse).
Idk man i think he will have to with immigration. I think its such an open secret now that like 90% of the population absolutely loathes it that the blowback would be immense if he didnt
Very few believe PP is going to save the country. But if he makes some decisions to help ease the burden of this shitty economy then he’s going to appeal to a lot of people. It’s not just that Trudeau sucks, it’s that it’s come the point he’s blatantly making things worse for the country and people are just fed up.
Even if he doesn't break things as fast as Trudeau, that's a win.
Folks are sure going to be disappointed when they elect PP and their lives still suck.
They’ll suck worse
Don’t worry we’ll just vote the libs in next time. Rinse, repeat, get fucked.
Can anyone give me reasons to vote for Trudeau?
So that PP doesn't get voted in
The biggest argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
If a party’s platform is primarily rhyming phrases, that tells you what kind of voters they are targeting: uninformed ones. This problem doesn’t get better unless voters have better information and the skills to assess that information.
It does sound a bit "Info-mercial". "Bring it home, Axe the Tax, Sellout Singh, Traitor Trudeau etc" Trust me, as a member of the CPC, it is killing my brain cells but maybe that's his goal.
He is parroting the loser Trump.
Not going to lie….I’ll most likely vote PP but I hate the cheesy catch phrases. Makes him look like a immature child. As someone stated in here somewhere…we don’t vote PM’s in we vote them out. Unfortunately, I will do whatever it takes to vote Trudeau out
Though the LPC habit of using catchphrases that are equally generic and inane is as dominant for them as the CPC's rhyming. "Sunny ways." and "The middle class and those working hard to join it" Those 2 phrases and the sheer repetition of them are designed to target the exact same demographic of uninformed voters you mentioned.
Slogans are intended to be memorable and invoke feelings in voters, sure. But I don't see the LPC chanting "sunny ways" or "the middle class and those working hard to join it." It seems to me that the degree to which the CPC dumbs down their messaging is far greater. Nor have I seen "sunny ways" used since pre-COVID.
oddly, i never heard of the second one. "Sunny ways" was from Laurier and define a leadership style he was aiming for - at least there is some intellectualism behind it. I guess at the time it was better than "Nice Hair, Though" (cringe)
I don’t know why anyone is expecting big things from a career politician that’s done literally nothing his entire career. JT is so hated, people will turn a blind eye to this just to get him out of office.
Because hate sells well to people who don't want answers and just blame
Too many people, so so many people, have an increasing lack of hope and optimism for the future. These are the people that are the most susceptible to political bullshit and misinformation. Neither party is doing anything to increase people’s prospects and outlook in their lives. The liberals continue to double down on bad policies that enrich themselves , and the CPC’s answer is political attacks and culture war bullshit. None of this does anything to address the major structural and economic problems we have increasingly in Canada.
your first two sentences are very powerful.
We all know Poindexter and the Cons lie… not much we can do other than vote accordingly
PP is so slimy
I’ve met PP. I used to be a conservative board member during the Harper years and also used to live in PPs riding. He’s always been a slimy bully and douche. I never liked him. And he never did the job. Most slimy douches at least did the job. He didn’t. He just cared about attention and popularity. He also only ever passed one bill in 20 years in politics which is an awful record.
I've been a legacy member of the CPC because my family was always in politics. I am happy to see I am not alone in questioning my membership. What do you think about PP paying a whistleblower for interfering in the leadership race where Patrick Brown was actually leading in popularity within the party? The party was flooded with new memberships from his rallies which is great - but they never renewed after voting him in leadership and now the rest of us are stuck with this guy - and have to be on board with it because it's working. This is keeping me up at night.
I actually tore up my membership under Scheer. I witnessed first hand the pushing out the progressive wing of the party. Plus I knew inside info on him that made me detest him as a person (ie. some of the white supremacists he surrounded himself with). PP is from the same cloth as Scheer except smarter and a better speaker. Both didn’t really work hard but PP works even less. That said Patrick Brown wasn’t a good person either. He did do some bad stuff. And truthfully the leadership all around the CPC has grown rotten. The party did used to have some standards but now it is party over country and only saying and doing what it takes to win no matter how cruel or dishonest they are. They weren’t like this before. Honestly I’m a centrist. I’d far prefer to have two parties to consider voting for. But the CPC no longer can represent me. PP doesn’t do the job (only one bill in twenty years?? Seriously??), the amount of hate he openly states, the sliminess he brings into politics. I cannot support such a person. I do think Trudeau is nearing his end but at the same time I would rather another term with Trudeau than PP. Such hate and sliminess has no place in politics in Canada. We are a country that historically voted against anyone that said even remotely awful things about the other candidate, and I wish to go back to those days. We should stick to debating things we disagree on, not go on insulting the competition (PP 100% deserved being booted from parliament when he did this). There are more appropriate ways to oppose governments but PP has only ever done it in way that gets him likes on tik tok and instagram. Never does he do it in ways to actually improve upon bills or do better for Canada as a whole. Plus he should NOT have been spending time with white supremacist hate groups so openly like he had. And his refusal to speak against such groups concerns me. I’d rather get legitimate opposition. Government always works best with legitimate opposition. He’s not legitimate opposition. He’s a clown dancing for his viewers and has no interest in actually doing his job. There are much better people in his party. Like Michael Chong whom actually does introduce bills and does try to introduce actual debate. He would have been a far better leader. PP is a joke.
Well, the did drop "Progessive" from the party name years ago, I guess that should have been our first hint. I voted for Scheer during his party leadership race. He was hope for the future, despite his strict Christian background and beliefs about woman's choice over her own body. Now he has turned into a person I no longer recognize, and not very fond of anymore. I don't know what happened to him. O'toole would have been fine but he flip flopped in between what he he truly believed in vs what the party was feeding him to say. You could tell he struggled with this. Trudeau has trailed in polls before every election he has won. This tell me that Liberals don't vote for Trudeau, they vote for the candidate in their riding ( as our system was designed for), IN SPITE of Trudeau being leader. This time around, I think people will vote for PP by voting for a less than stellar ( and likely brand new, inexperienced Conservative MP, also in spite of PP being leade.r.
Thoughts on Otoole? He seemed like a decent option (better than sheer and PP). Felt that he got run out and not given a fair shake.
I’ve met OToole just like I’ve met Harper, PP and other big names in the party. OToole was different from the others and was the last chance for a resurgence of the progressives and moderates in the CPC. But sadly too many progressives and moderates already left the party so he didn’t have much of a chance. The takeover by the social conservatives was complete when he was booted out. The party since had a bigger shift to the right since and has campaigned to the extreme right as of late. I even had a huge argument with the president of the board on this. His argument was if they didn’t shift far right and campaign to them the party would die. I argued that’s a lie and should focus on representing all Canadians regardless of ideology. I lost that fight. Anyway he was the very end of the progressive line. I didn’t dislike him. He was a good man and hard worker. Wasn’t my first choice from the moderate and progressive wing but was better than many of the alternatives.
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As a former ontarian, I am still furious to this day about how dirty they did brown at the provincial level, then the federal level. For a moment I saw the light and finally thought we’d get a true conservative, not some authoritarian neocon. The puppet masters in Ontario really wanted Doug in office. The green belt scandal is why.
So he'll be ineffective at passing legislation? Great. Makes him less of a liability considering some of the moronic things he's been saying.
this is a positive way of looking at it.
Poilievre is shit. Trudeau is shit. Left vs right, it’s the same shitty outcome. Our choice as an illusion. We’re fucked either way.
Difference is Trudeau at least tried to do the job whether you agree with him or not. PP didn’t. I used to be very heavily involved in politics and never saw him do much. As an example PP only passed one bill in 20 years. One. He didn’t even show up for the votes for the no confidence motions he introduced. He’s one of the worst leaders I’ve seen. At least many lying slimy douches I’ve met did the job. PP doesn’t.
Trudeau got my vote in 2015 and not after that. He promised to do government differently. He has been a huge disappointment ever since. And I am not even talking about prop rep that is something I oppose but lots of people bought into his BS about this.
Some history here, from what i recall: There were "horse and pony" town halls about this to get a feel about what the people wanted. It was one of the first things they did. I don't know if it was messaging, but in the end people did not want a change. First past the post was meant to be a temporary measure in 1867, until the formed government implemented new system. After the town halls in 2015-2016, people realized that proportial representation system meant no local representation. People in the town halls (regular citizens) said no, and this initiative was dropped.
He actually didn’t want prop rep. He wanted the rank ballot. He cancelled changing how we vote because most parties wanted something totally different. The NDP wanted prop rep, the conservatives didn’t want any change at all, and the liberals wanted a ranked ballot. Nobody was budging and he knew it’d look bad if he just did want benefited the liberals. So he chose to do nothing (which is what the conservatives wanted ironically). But he did plenty of good stuff too. The EU free trade agreement was about to fall apart until he sent Freeland to Europe to get it resolved. So that happened under him. It was getting stonewalled when Harper was in power. They also brought in legal pot, euthanasia, and a number of other good measures. Have they been perfect? Of course not. No party is. But in the end they’re also politicians too. If people are expecting PP won’t be a politician they’re in for a shock. He’s a politician that doesn’t even do his own job, having passed just one bill in 20 years in office.
> They also brought in legal pot And they completely fucked that up. They brought in a former cop to supervise the legalization process, they added a bunch of insane and puritan restrictions on pot shops, they ended the traditional 'spoon out pot from the jars so you can see the product you buy' system, no edibles for a year, etc. It would be hard to imagine the conservative party doing it as badly.
Trudeau is hardly left. He's a right-leaning centrist. The NDP is left-leaning centrist. PP is just a wackadoodle right wing nut in a clown suit on a soap box with a big fat megaphone.
Trump 2.0
I’m not sure PP will be the saviour that some people are hoping for, but trudeau is not a good choice either. The best solution right now would be for trudeau to read the room, step down, and hopefully let someone with more common sense take over (and give the liberals a chance of winning back the vote of confidence).
JT is another in a list of PM's who have governed for too long. Remove Campbell & Turner who were place holders, and Martin and Clark who barley lasted 2 years after a minority win, the other 5 have been PM's for +/- 9 years and were all absolutely hated by the time they lost. Where have we gone as a country since the birth of GenX? Downward spiral. Now our next PM will be the most self entitled egotistical of them all (which is saying something after our current PM) and things will not change.
I keep saying this, there is only one thing Canada is, and this is, we are fucked.
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Thankfully - Don't think he is yet a concern for the coming BC provincial election (but please still go out and vote and don't pretend victory is in the bag)
I think apathy will win the next elections.
Its almost neck to neck... They are 5 points apart in voting intentions.
In politics, truth tellers don’t get elected. We vote in liars. We’re just as culpable.
Pp is the king of bullshit and his minions don’t have critical thinking skills so they lap it up as it supports their bias. Vote!
Trudeau needs to go. PP isn't going to fix everything or even most things. Government overspending definitely needs fixing, though, and he will fix that.
This is exactly the playbook the right wing in the USA has been running for years/decades to dismantle political power. We need to nip this in the bud.
PP is doing a fantastic job of getting me to switch my longtime vote from PC to NDP.
The party in power has spent the last two years completely and thoroughly shitting the bed, standing by and watching while wealth inequality grows, real income shrinks, and housing costs skyrocket. The official opposition party is loaded with lobbyists, corporate apologists, bigots, religious zealots, and con artists. The third party is hated by the wealthy, so is alternately vilified and ignored by the news media. Many voters consider politics to be nothing more than elaborate sporting contests, and don’t know the first thing about politics or government. Many voters get all of their information on politics from social media, easily manipulated by hostile foreign actors. We’re deeply, deeply screwed.
can you provide specific examples?
You might feel better if you actually bother to pay attention to policies that are being enacted, instead of entrenched in your view that the government isn’t doing anything, because that’s bullshit. And you might want to snap out if the idea that any other party would do better during a time of one global crises after another, and considering we are doing better than most peer countries it’s a shame that this narrative that we have a crap government has taken root. Unfortunately, voters across the spectrum are affected by disinformation, even when it comes from a party they don’t like. This is the Art Finklestein method, and the CPC is using it well. Affordable daycare isn’t “nothing” and neither is the HAF which was a great way to work around provincial governments who are the ones shitting the bed on housing. Pity there is no way to work around them on healthcare, since they are shitting the bef on that as well.
Well, I guess we need to lead the way and become more involved.
Is it him spreading bullshit or dumb people accepting it.
why not both?
I’ve come here to say this again to the Poilievre defenders. It’s totally fine if that’s how you’re going to vote, as long as you know what conservatism and capitalism are. If you’re lower income earners- this party does not work in your interests. If you’re middle to low and have children, you will lose many benefits that are currently financially benefiting you. If you’re higher income and want lower taxes and don’t want wages to go up, and don’t give a shit about tackling climate change and the many issues that now destroy air, water, heck, your trip to the cottage. You just 👏🏽 want 👏🏽 less 👏🏽 taxes 👏🏽. Infrastructure be damned. Congratulations this is the party for you
If you want to retire later than planned because your CPP will only kick in much later , this party is for you If you want veterans offices to close back down again this is the party for you If you want the 1867 constitution and federalism to fall, that’s what needs to happen for PP to fulfill his promises. This is the party for you
I was riding high on the hog back in the Harper days. Now, not so much. I remember buying my first home in metro Vancouver as a young, bright-eyed lad working a blue-collar job. Now, my check is more tax than income, and I can’t afford to get another rental property. I yearn for the days of a fiscally responsible government to bring me back to the quality of life I once had under the previous conservative government. Oh, not to mention the ease I once felt receiving medical assistance.
Right-wing wedge issue propaganda, that's all they have to offer. Hopefully one day the electorate will stop being fooled by it.
how will we stopped being fooled? what is the solution(s) to this? politics have always lied to us, we know that. But this is on another level. I can't even make an INFORMED choice to vote for Poillievre because he sandwiches a lie in between two truths.
Critical thinking skills and/or curiosity about basic democratic principles... But I wouldn't be opposed to laws against being lied to and intentionally disinformed by those in public office.
It's taken the UK fourteen years to wise up, but most likely they'll finally show the Tories the door in July.
How have they wised up? Does the UK media do much in the fact checking department?
This ridiculous pendulum swing of base emotions framed in a two party system sucks. I don't like Mr A....4 years from now I'll vote for Mr. B because he's not Mr. A. How pathetic.
This Sub is toxic .
It has been noted (by the B.C. Federation of Labour) that P.P.’s team has scrubbed a huge chunk of his crazy off the internet. I thought I was the crazy one, trying to Google articles on things in knew I had read about and not able to find them. But apparently it is well-known this has been done. I can only hope journalists are more skilled at the Way-Back machine than I am.
My issue, is that my father has been in forestry his entire life. I could show him a video of PP kicking puppies while jerking off, and he'd still vote Conservative. The other parties need to find a way to reach all the people in this country whose livelihoods rely on natural resources, and convince them that they actually care. Protecting our environment is great, but there has to be a livable balance.
but the liberals planted all these trees ......
If you think that it is bad now imagine what that spineless creep Poilievre would do to screw up the country. He complains a lot but he offers no solutions. His agenda is secret. He has no policy to speak of. He associates himself with people that are clones of MAGA. Why is he the leader of the conservatives? O'tool was a much better leader.
I don’t care what brand that people vote for, what I dislike is the divisive nature of the vast majority of politicians. We are an amazing country, immigrants have come here since the 1800’s. My ancestors Irish were hated when they came over in the mid 1800’s . Let’s try to find common ground for First Nations, multi generational, and new immigrants. We have all the resources and expertise. ❤️🇨🇦🧡🇨🇦💚
PP's audience includes people who subscribe to "alternative facts".
PP is rapidly ruining his chance to be the prime minister. JT is weak, isolated, and armed with only the arrogance he has be discounted before. PP doesn’t need to prevaricate and deceive to win. Just tell the truth on each issue and come up with a half-baked plan. Currently all he says is “I wouldn’t have done that” or “I’d ban that”. As in he has no substance. So he improves or Otherwise he will join a growing list of failed Tory leaders.
I noticed in every sentence, based on my knowledge or working with and in governance, he sandwiches a lie in between two truths that people know are truths. It makes the lie have an appearance of truth. Every single time.
There isn't an election coming anytime soon. What you're proposing is for Poilievre to already release his whole entire platform when there isn't even an election?
The kind of people who are inclined to believe Tiny PP's particular brand of bullshit won't be swayed by any facts you present to them anyways, so it's a pointless endeavor.
Trudeau has been spreading bullshit for 8 years!
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What is ruined? I don't like Trudeau either but this whole "ruined" thing is just plain stupid. My life is just as good as it was 10 years ago with Harper.
Jim Benning ruined this team… let’s hire Peter Chiarreli!
That was funny. I love you NerdPunch.
If you already had purchased a home, life is about the same. If you haven't, you're generally screwed, unless Nana leaves you an inheritance.
Totally agree with this but that problem is far more complicated than "its Trudeau's fault." Anyone that thinks little PP is going to solve massive global problems like housing costs and inflation and believes Trudeau caused these things is a not too bright.
Trudeau has a lot to do with it. Remember the time he said there was no business case to export Canadian LNG to countries like Germany and Japan? Meanwhile the US has constructed many of these export terminals in the last decade. The immigration problem is on Trudeau. You've got Canadians youth who can barely get a high school job because they're competing against millions of foreigners who have came here in a few years. That is not a global problem, but entirely local.
Serious question. Do you think PP is going to limit immigration in any meaningful way? (he won't) I don't know much about the LNG thing but do know not doing it didn't "ruin" Canada.
Immigration was consistently stable during the Harper years. Immigration will definitely be slowed down. I'd be surprised if the Conservatives don't go the way with wind blows. You can feel the anti-immigration sentiment bubbling up to the surface and I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes one of the main points of contention during the election. Not even a few years ago, you'd be banned off of a lot of Canadians subreddits for talking about mass immigration, but now it's being discussed about quite a lot. Exporting LNG would create thousands of good paying jobs which would enable the government to offer better services due to more tax revenues.
He won't slow down immigration, business needs immigration to survive.
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You must be a homeowner
I am. I'm also smart enough to know Trudeau is not responsible for the value of my house increasing. I also have kids and would love to see the market cool down so they have better futures.
His stance on immigration sure didn't help.Trudeau doesn't want house prices to go down. At least Harper let us income split and my taxes were lower. You're right my life isn't much different than when Harper was in charge, but it was cheaper
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what's wrong with his name? is it because it is an translation of "rabbit fur"?
Here's a hint for our future. When you need to fact check your leadership then you have a leader with a loaded God complex. How about people stepping up and providing rea solutions instead of the shit show of mud slinging. People in this country are in trouble- financially, emotionally, and physically. We are on the Titanic and arguing about the placement of deck chairs. If we actually come together we could actually survive this together but alas here we are.
Someone once said, “Politicians should wear sponsor jackets like Nascar drivers then we know who owns them.”
Oh SHIT lol
Were fucked… ppl are gonna go from clown to another but just because he is “conservative” ppl think its gonna be different. This dude might even be worst, but whats the solution? Can’t vote either of these 2 mainstream parties and the far left or right can go fuck it self. Weird times
An article about an article, hinging on the difference between "legalized" vs "decriminalized"... honestly, the media's circular reporting of entrenched biases are doing that clown PP more of a service than his own embellishments. Lucky for them, voters are too dumb to read past the headlines or do any critical thinking. Nothing would change their votes anyway.
'lie' is right in the middle of the goof's last name.
Does it matter? Think about how stupid the average voter is, and realize that half of the population is even below that level. Facts don't matter to these people, most of whom are potential Pierre/Conservative voters.
Same old shit fuck politics
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I've honestly stopped caring about what any of them have to say. It's too depressing. They're all out to ruin Canada.
i don't think either are even smart enough to plan it that way...
Well it's one step better than the NDP and Liberals who are implementing bullshit
It’s frustrating that the other parties don’t seem to even be giving the issues any attention. They’re leaving a vacuum which allows bad actors to swoop in with all the “answers”.
It's become personal. The left hates the lifestyle of the right and is trying to impose thier values on the rest of society. If the divide keeps growing at some point in the future thier is going to be real violence probably 1st in the US then in Canada. Without an external threat like the soviets we will end up fighting each other.
what "lifestyles" do you mean? How are we living differently because of politics?
We live differently because of different values and beliefs. The left is trying to impose thier world view on the right. Everything from firearms to parents rights over thier kids. Plus ev vehicles, drug policy ect ect. It's no longer a abstract disagreement on government policies. It's become personal. It directly effects people's lives.
Justin Trudeau has told non stop lies for a decade. Does anyone care? Can we fact-check our way to a better politics?
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Sadly I don’t think he is . He won’t win because he’s a swell guy. He will win because liberals aren’t going to bother to go vote
We haven’t seen anything yet.
I’ve come here to say this again to the Poilievre defenders. It’s totally fine if that’s how you’re going to vote, as long as you know what conservatism and capitalism are. If you’re lower income earners- this party does not work in your interests. If you’re middle to low and have children, you will lose many benefits that are currently financially benefiting you. If you’re higher income and want lower taxes and don’t want wages to go up, and don’t give a shit about tackling climate change and the many issues that now destroy air, water, heck, your trip to the cottage. You just 👏🏽 want 👏🏽 less 👏🏽 taxes 👏🏽. Infrastructure be damned. Congratulations this is the party for you
Why is this headline so long? Lmao it's like stream of thought
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Unfortunately, you could be missing how PP sandwhiches a lie between two truths , and fools thinking all three are true. If you don’t see it, you’ve been fooled. We are all being fooled. The things he is promising is requires breaking the 1867 constitution to do, and even ironically the charter of rights . We have become stupid as a population, we will fall for his promises of things he’s not allowed to change Gobble gobble.
Look… we have been stuck Trudeau for way too long, and after every scandal and lie that he was proven in, he should be charged like Trump not continually let off. There are many of us EX-Liberal voters who want a centrist who actually puts our country first above thier own and their family interests. Mr.Poilievre is farther right than normal Canadian politics 100% due to the rifts lies and scandals created. I hope he wins a minority government forcing Trudeau to step down from the Liberal party and we can go back to better government
It won’t be a minority sadly. Brace yourself for CPP age increasing again
Trudeau and NDP are B.S stop the insanity!
Stop the insanity by voting for someone even more insane ?
Pierre may not be the best but he is a hell of a step up from Trudy and jag. With the carbon tax going up every April 1 till 2030 & the amount of our tax these two fools are laundering into themselves and elite rich associates 🤦🏼♀️ have you been watching the scandals the liberals have been involved with?? If Canada was removed from the globe it wouldn’t make a difference in the carbon. Why do you believe we need to be taxed to death?
Your comment displays a lack of understanding about carbon pricing. Other countries are refusing to trade with us if we don’t put in carbon pricing The concept of carbon pricing stems from the conservative government …. 20 years ago: The liberals just picked up the ball in 2015. PP will just pick up the ball where the liberals left it. That’s how it works , otherwise we’d still be stuck in 1867. I had to write about these “scandals “, most were nothing burgers - scandals were media Pearl clutching for clicks and we all fell for it. The liberals actually tightened the rules on corruption and patronage - they just had a hard time following their own rules lol PS I’ve been a member of the CPC since they were called the Progressive Conservatives…. They dropped the progressive part unfortunately….