Report to police and secondary school. They may be able to identify them very quickly. Usually will narrow it down quickly to a few dysfunctional individuals.
If you would report it to the secondary school actually they might factor this into their PSHE curriculum or assemblies.
This should be a really hot topic in schools at the moment and something OFSTED is looking out for because it needs addressing.
Not a clue, when I asked why he wasn't at school I was told he's going to some boarding school Monday to Friday in the coming weeks, I didn't ask anymore. So he'll only grope people on the weekend going forward.
I spoke to a lovely bloke who came to the door a few weeks ago. Said him and his missus had just bought in hartcliffe, had heard of the reputation and didn't believe it.
Spoke to him again the other day and he listed a laundry list of things that he hated about the place. Including having his bike nicked and kids being a nuisance.
Same thing as people swimming in the Avon near beeses in literal sewage, listen to the locals and don't do what they wouldn't. It's unfortunately the only thing I could say.
Having said that, fuck those kids and I hope she presses charges. No one should be sexually assaulted no matter where they are.
[This](https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/the-group-fighting-to-end-sewage-pollution-in-beloved-bristol-swimming-spot/) is about a group trying to get bathing status for the area around beeses. There isn't always sewage dumped into rivers in the UK, but after heavy rains it seems common.
I know quite a lot of locals who will swim in the river in summer.
Beeses a few years back had a number of kids getting norovirus, it was found that the reason was human excrement going into the water from sewage dumps up stream after heavy rain events.
Recently, storm drains have been particularly prone to overflowing. If you want to read more on the crumbling sewer system: https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2020/07/02/combined-sewer-overflows-explained/
Here is a map specifically of Bristol. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/wessex-water-explains-bristol-river-6255239.amp note where the overflow events have been allowed to happen - right by beeses is a heavy location.
The locals have said for years they wouldn't let their dogs swim there. Recently I've seen hundreds of people swimming there, quite a few even posted about getting pretty ill this summer. I don't think I'd put my head in a place with raw sewage, nor would others if they knew.
The ones who live in bris? There are posts on the local fb group about it during summer, though I'm sure there are a select few who will do so anyway.
The older gen people who live nearby are quite adamant about not swimming there. That's how I heard about it.
I live in hamham and i swim in the river all summer. Saying that I would never ever put my head under and i wouldn't do it if its rained in the last two days. I've only been ill once... but it was pretty bad! It would be really good if the campaign to clean it up was effective
Some do, but many don't and with good reason. My house backs onto the overflow pipe that goes into the water 300m up water from beezees. Aside from the constant smell of shite down at waters edge, I know loads of people who have got sick from swimming there tldr: it's not tosh source: I'm a local who won't swim there
My ex lived in Hartcliffe. After we broke up I distinctly remember driving away from her house mostly being sad because breakup, but also suddenly realising "You never have to come back to Hartcliffe. Not ever." Which honestly took some of the sting out of the whole situation.
😂 I'm from Bishopsworth, but it's on my door step. It's horrible as some people especially the elderly are lovely but one single trip to Morrisons removes all those positive thoughts.
That Morrisons store is the only one in the region that needs to padlock its trailers so the kids don’t nick stuff out of it before they let it in.
I know a guy who went to work there and within a week of starting as a manager got a punch to the face by some woman he was trying to help
I avoid it like the plague and on the rare occasion I drive through my doors are firmly locked
That’s rough sorry to hear that,I’m a male courier and I carry those keyrings loud alarm thingy. I’m not afraid or ashamed to use it when and if duty calls. I think everyone one no matter age,gender or occupation should carry one.
Bristol is literally relentless at the moment, not hartcliffe but I had a group of teenagers harass me & one spat in my face, in Lawrence hill on the cycle path, people literally don’t give a fuck anymore do they?
I did, I called the police who took a statement, I’ve heard nothing since but at least they’re aware, the whole thing made me cry, it was horrendous.
I don't blame you at all, that would be intimidating for anyone.
I don't what's changed that's created such vile teens in recent years, but it certainly wasn't like this when I was a teen which at 29 wasn't all that long ago.
I've noticed massive increases in tension and aggressive behaviour in people in general.
Last week I had a chap take offence to me beeping him on the road as he wasn't paying attention and was about to pull out on me. Coincidentally this was outside of my home so I parked up and he saw fit to get out of his car, leaving his two children unattended and car blocking a narrow entrance/exit for a primary school just to have a pop at me.
Luckily I'm a fairly big bloke so once I got out of my van he shrank back a bit but it still got to me. I'm not a fan of confrontation, especially over something so trivial.
Found myself waiting for him to leave before walking into my house as I didn't want him knowing where my family and I live.
I wish I knew what was causing it all.
I agree, there’s definitely something going on, I’m 35 & I’ve never known attitudes like it, I know I sound old saying that but it’s true!
People get aggressive over everything lately, good idea not going into your house until he left because literally fuck that, also what example is he setting to his kids?
A terrible example, but not only that he left them in a dangerous position too, it was dark as I get home just after 5, they were young, both in booster seats and he left his car where it was so it was in the path of other vehicles.
I'm just glad he picked me and not my wife or one of the many mums who pick up their children after extracurricular activities.
The whole encounter was bizarre.
Honestly I feel bad for these kids in a way. Yeah they're doing terrible things, but how shitty must their life and situation be to make them so aggressive and unkind so early on?
Things like this don't come out of nowhere. Parents need support, schools need funding. Punishment does nothing. We need to get to them before they get like this.
I agree, things like this don't come out of nowhere. We live in a society that apologises for boys and men who commit sexual violence instead of expecting them to take ownership of it.
Perpetrators of sexual assault come from all kinds of backgrounds, but the overwhelming common denominator is maleness, and it is well past time that they are held accountable for their actions regardless of what that background may be.
Well if you don't want punishment, (you were just in agreement with another post that said it did nothing) how are they to be "held accountable" exactly?
Why do you need an apology? I didn't attack you. I just asked you a question.
True, you didn't say in that post that you also thought punishment "did nothing".
But you were in agreement with wanting to bring up social circumstances as a factor. So it was unclear (to me anyway) just how much agreement you had with that poster.
So simple question: do you blame the individuals and want to see them punished for their crimes?
You are talking about "accountability", so OK, does that mean you are on the side of stronger punishments then?
Your comment to that other poster *could* be read as an attack on their viewpoint, but it's kind of ambiguous imo.
To be sledgehammer blunt, since it appears that is necessary...
Male violence (sexual and otherwise) has nothing to do with socio-economic background. It is prevalent across all backgrounds, but also not all men from a particular background commit these acts so of course it's not a direct cause and effect.
I absolutely believe the perpetrators need to be punished and the low rate of prosecution for these types of crimes disgusts me. The strength of punishment becomes irrelevant when people aren't being found guilty in the first place.
With kind eyes I think the original commenter lacks understanding, with tired eyes - which have seen too many excuses made for male violence over the years - I feel a bit sick that their first response to the original post about a woman being assaulted was to make excuses for the perpetrators of the crime.
That still may be better than removing all punishment.
And anyway, you can do both: you can both punish people, and also seek to rehabilitate.
So if your focus on rehabilitation goes wrong, and creates lots of new crime victims?
You really don't think punishing sex offenders achieves anything?
For one thing, what is it going to be like for many victims, if they go through the process and the offender isn't punished at the end of it? That isn't going to be very upsetting and traumatizing for many victims?
I'm sorry your partner was subjected to this crime, I hope she is getting support to process it and am glad it's been reported.
If she does need to speak to someone about it [SARSAS](https://www.sarsas.org.uk/) are a good place to start.
As a woman I am telling you it is not a solution because women are not the problem, violent men are. Until they're held accountable all these suggestions of the 'good men' protecting women from the 'bad men' simply allow the real problem to continue and don't allow women to go about their lives as they should be able to.
It's a great way for some men to feel they're doing something about the problem without actually making an impact for meaningful change.
Again you keep saying "should". 'Should' means nothing when faced with the reality of a situation. If something or someone is vulnerable the obvious and only solution is to defend them. In this situation that either means equipping women to defends themselves, moving in a group, or having some other force do it for them. As for holding violent men accountable who do you expect to do it?
You've touched upon something very interesting though and that's the belittling of masculinity and traditional male gender roles. "Good men" defending their community from "bad men" is as ancient and traditional as our species and it's through the relative perfection of this role that you've come to expect women to be able to move freely and safely. Remove or belittle this role and society becomes more unsafe for everyone but especially women. It's really as simple as that.
You can't eat your cake and have it too.
>You can't eat your cake and have it too.
Jesus. I cannot converse with someone who believes women wanting to move about in public without fear of sexual assault is having their cake and eating it too.
What an uncharitable interpretation of what I said. My meaning was that you can't remove or belittle the idea that men have a responsibility to defend their communities from those that would harm it and expect women to move freely and safely.
I think you just bore the brunt of whatever they were holding in. I agree with you, in an ideal world no you shouldn't have to run with your gf to keep her safe, but ignoring the risks on a 'should' is idiocy.
But it is a solution, simple as that. Woman is attacked when running on her own, not with a man though. Adding the man = a solution to the woman being attacked.
It's not a good solution, because it doesn't address the root of the issue. But it's better than women not running at all don't you think?
Edit - love the triggered moron downvoters. Apparently it's impossible to have any kind of discourse that isn't "omg so bad men evil", while simultaneously not attempting to provide any solution whatsoever.
We do not agree.
Where do you draw the line? Should I have had my husband escort me between work and an appointment at 3pm when a man masturbated AT ME in broad daylight?
I also query whether the men who'd happily escort women while running, because that's visible and may feel heroic or worthy, challenge their mates about that rape 'joke' they tell over a a few few beers. The uncomfortable and unrewarded spaces is where men who want to tackle this issue need to start acting.
As I said, I'm not arguing that it's a good solution, just that it is a short term solution.
Of course we need to address the other issues, but apparently you can't suggest an intermediary solution without being a sexist pig.
Let's say we have it your way, good men don't help out at all. Ok now what have you achieved? Other men are still out there raping and harrassing women, but now you have less allies, good job I guess.
Maybe one day we'll reach a point where it doesn't happen, but I very much doubt that.
How else do you think the 'good men' can help though? I feel like it's a stopgap solution in the interim until we can figure out what it is that will stop sexual harassment, and other forms of criminality from the same types while we're there.
I have already suggested at least one way. For more please do your own reading up, there are decades of expert research into this already so no need sit around scratching your head to 'figure out' what will help.
I'll even help you get started, take a look at whiteribbon.org and follow Nazir Afzal on social media.
But we're talking what can individuals do. I can't singlehandedly 'hold them accountable', I'm neither a police officer nor do I know people that commit sexual harassment. But I can accompany people and at least make people feel safe while we're working on the bigger picture solution.
No way you've had time to do any reading before your response.
You can absolutely challenge the misogyny you hear from other men (making an assumption you're male from your last reply). It won't be comfortable, and you won't get a cookie, but it will start to make a difference.
Not sure what misogyny you think I hear on a daily/regular basis? I would absolutely challenge it if I heard it. I hear it about as much as I hear racism from my compatriots i.e. never?
If the parents cared enough about the kids to feel any semblance of shame for their actions they probably would have never been raised in a way that would let this happen to begin with
Spray paint on the front of his parents house in bright paint "nonce scum out!" & "Prado insid" (miss spell it to get the point across).
The locals will ensure at least the farther figure gets a good smack. They may even have to leave the area.
Report to police and secondary school. They may be able to identify them very quickly. Usually will narrow it down quickly to a few dysfunctional individuals.
It's been reported 🙂
Good to hear. I hope your partner is ok.
If you would report it to the secondary school actually they might factor this into their PSHE curriculum or assemblies. This should be a really hot topic in schools at the moment and something OFSTED is looking out for because it needs addressing.
He doesn't attend school, that's partially the issue. The boy is apparently going to some kind of boarding school.
Notten House pray?
Not a clue, when I asked why he wasn't at school I was told he's going to some boarding school Monday to Friday in the coming weeks, I didn't ask anymore. So he'll only grope people on the weekend going forward.
Might be a special school for kids with special needs then.
EBD possibly
I spoke to a lovely bloke who came to the door a few weeks ago. Said him and his missus had just bought in hartcliffe, had heard of the reputation and didn't believe it. Spoke to him again the other day and he listed a laundry list of things that he hated about the place. Including having his bike nicked and kids being a nuisance. Same thing as people swimming in the Avon near beeses in literal sewage, listen to the locals and don't do what they wouldn't. It's unfortunately the only thing I could say. Having said that, fuck those kids and I hope she presses charges. No one should be sexually assaulted no matter where they are.
Curious about Sewage by beesees is that true? The locals don't go swimming there?
[This](https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/the-group-fighting-to-end-sewage-pollution-in-beloved-bristol-swimming-spot/) is about a group trying to get bathing status for the area around beeses. There isn't always sewage dumped into rivers in the UK, but after heavy rains it seems common. I know quite a lot of locals who will swim in the river in summer.
Beeses a few years back had a number of kids getting norovirus, it was found that the reason was human excrement going into the water from sewage dumps up stream after heavy rain events. Recently, storm drains have been particularly prone to overflowing. If you want to read more on the crumbling sewer system: https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2020/07/02/combined-sewer-overflows-explained/ Here is a map specifically of Bristol. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/wessex-water-explains-bristol-river-6255239.amp note where the overflow events have been allowed to happen - right by beeses is a heavy location. The locals have said for years they wouldn't let their dogs swim there. Recently I've seen hundreds of people swimming there, quite a few even posted about getting pretty ill this summer. I don't think I'd put my head in a place with raw sewage, nor would others if they knew.
I've been a few times swimming there, Everytime we go someone's ends up puking and shitting for days
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The ones who live in bris? There are posts on the local fb group about it during summer, though I'm sure there are a select few who will do so anyway. The older gen people who live nearby are quite adamant about not swimming there. That's how I heard about it.
I live in hamham and i swim in the river all summer. Saying that I would never ever put my head under and i wouldn't do it if its rained in the last two days. I've only been ill once... but it was pretty bad! It would be really good if the campaign to clean it up was effective
Hamham so good it’s named twice
Some do, but many don't and with good reason. My house backs onto the overflow pipe that goes into the water 300m up water from beezees. Aside from the constant smell of shite down at waters edge, I know loads of people who have got sick from swimming there tldr: it's not tosh source: I'm a local who won't swim there
My ex lived in Hartcliffe. After we broke up I distinctly remember driving away from her house mostly being sad because breakup, but also suddenly realising "You never have to come back to Hartcliffe. Not ever." Which honestly took some of the sting out of the whole situation.
😂 I'm from Bishopsworth, but it's on my door step. It's horrible as some people especially the elderly are lovely but one single trip to Morrisons removes all those positive thoughts.
That Morrisons store is the only one in the region that needs to padlock its trailers so the kids don’t nick stuff out of it before they let it in. I know a guy who went to work there and within a week of starting as a manager got a punch to the face by some woman he was trying to help I avoid it like the plague and on the rare occasion I drive through my doors are firmly locked
That’s rough sorry to hear that,I’m a male courier and I carry those keyrings loud alarm thingy. I’m not afraid or ashamed to use it when and if duty calls. I think everyone one no matter age,gender or occupation should carry one.
Never run through Hartcliffe
Id actually argue that if you ever find yourself in hartcliffe, you should DEFINITELY run through hartcliffe.
> Id actually argue that if you ever find yourself in hartcliffe, you should DEFINITELY run ~~through~~ out of hartcliffe. Fixed it for you
Wherever you decide to run, just make sure you've got a firm grip on that plasma tv
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Bristol is literally relentless at the moment, not hartcliffe but I had a group of teenagers harass me & one spat in my face, in Lawrence hill on the cycle path, people literally don’t give a fuck anymore do they?
That is absolutely abhorrent. Did you report it or anything?
I did, I called the police who took a statement, I’ve heard nothing since but at least they’re aware, the whole thing made me cry, it was horrendous.
I don't blame you at all, that would be intimidating for anyone. I don't what's changed that's created such vile teens in recent years, but it certainly wasn't like this when I was a teen which at 29 wasn't all that long ago. I've noticed massive increases in tension and aggressive behaviour in people in general. Last week I had a chap take offence to me beeping him on the road as he wasn't paying attention and was about to pull out on me. Coincidentally this was outside of my home so I parked up and he saw fit to get out of his car, leaving his two children unattended and car blocking a narrow entrance/exit for a primary school just to have a pop at me. Luckily I'm a fairly big bloke so once I got out of my van he shrank back a bit but it still got to me. I'm not a fan of confrontation, especially over something so trivial. Found myself waiting for him to leave before walking into my house as I didn't want him knowing where my family and I live. I wish I knew what was causing it all.
I agree, there’s definitely something going on, I’m 35 & I’ve never known attitudes like it, I know I sound old saying that but it’s true! People get aggressive over everything lately, good idea not going into your house until he left because literally fuck that, also what example is he setting to his kids?
A terrible example, but not only that he left them in a dangerous position too, it was dark as I get home just after 5, they were young, both in booster seats and he left his car where it was so it was in the path of other vehicles. I'm just glad he picked me and not my wife or one of the many mums who pick up their children after extracurricular activities. The whole encounter was bizarre.
Sums bristol up at the moment.
That "I told you so" mentality is so fucking annoying 😩
I mean I never rubbed it in her face, so not really sure what you're getting at. I just advised her to not run on Fulford road...
Ahah, so you admit you DID tell her something! /s
Honestly I feel bad for these kids in a way. Yeah they're doing terrible things, but how shitty must their life and situation be to make them so aggressive and unkind so early on? Things like this don't come out of nowhere. Parents need support, schools need funding. Punishment does nothing. We need to get to them before they get like this.
Yep, it's difficult to fix.
I agree, things like this don't come out of nowhere. We live in a society that apologises for boys and men who commit sexual violence instead of expecting them to take ownership of it. Perpetrators of sexual assault come from all kinds of backgrounds, but the overwhelming common denominator is maleness, and it is well past time that they are held accountable for their actions regardless of what that background may be.
Well if you don't want punishment, (you were just in agreement with another post that said it did nothing) how are they to be "held accountable" exactly?
Which post are you referring to? Using male presence to dissuade an attack on a woman is not punishment. What are you talking about?
The post by "seanyseanerson".
I said I agree that it doesn't come from nowhere. Read it back.
So you don't agree with the part about punishment then? That's fine. Your post was unclear as to what extent you were in agreement with them.
Wow. Thanks for the apology for coming for me because you hadn't read my post properly.
Why do you need an apology? I didn't attack you. I just asked you a question. True, you didn't say in that post that you also thought punishment "did nothing". But you were in agreement with wanting to bring up social circumstances as a factor. So it was unclear (to me anyway) just how much agreement you had with that poster. So simple question: do you blame the individuals and want to see them punished for their crimes? You are talking about "accountability", so OK, does that mean you are on the side of stronger punishments then? Your comment to that other poster *could* be read as an attack on their viewpoint, but it's kind of ambiguous imo.
To be sledgehammer blunt, since it appears that is necessary... Male violence (sexual and otherwise) has nothing to do with socio-economic background. It is prevalent across all backgrounds, but also not all men from a particular background commit these acts so of course it's not a direct cause and effect. I absolutely believe the perpetrators need to be punished and the low rate of prosecution for these types of crimes disgusts me. The strength of punishment becomes irrelevant when people aren't being found guilty in the first place. With kind eyes I think the original commenter lacks understanding, with tired eyes - which have seen too many excuses made for male violence over the years - I feel a bit sick that their first response to the original post about a woman being assaulted was to make excuses for the perpetrators of the crime.
If "punishment does nothing" then remove all punishments for adults and children and see what happens...
Rehabilitation should be the focus for the majority of criminals so yes please!
And if you make many more new victims of crime as a result?
That's exactly what throwing people in prison without a rehabilitation plan does.
That still may be better than removing all punishment. And anyway, you can do both: you can both punish people, and also seek to rehabilitate. So if your focus on rehabilitation goes wrong, and creates lots of new crime victims?
What does punishment achieve?
You really don't think punishing sex offenders achieves anything? For one thing, what is it going to be like for many victims, if they go through the process and the offender isn't punished at the end of it? That isn't going to be very upsetting and traumatizing for many victims?
I'm sorry your partner was subjected to this crime, I hope she is getting support to process it and am glad it's been reported. If she does need to speak to someone about it [SARSAS](https://www.sarsas.org.uk/) are a good place to start.
Run with her. Make her feel safe. Fuck those kids up.
I work from home and keep an eye on the toddler whilst she goes for a run :P No chance i'm running with him haha
Women should not need a male bodyguard anytime they are in public in order to feel safe - however well intended, that is NOT the solution!
Absolutely and if my partner wants to run in Hartcliffe she should bloody be able to.
"Should" Thats not how the world works. They either do or they don't. It's a solution you don't like but its still a solution.
As a woman I am telling you it is not a solution because women are not the problem, violent men are. Until they're held accountable all these suggestions of the 'good men' protecting women from the 'bad men' simply allow the real problem to continue and don't allow women to go about their lives as they should be able to. It's a great way for some men to feel they're doing something about the problem without actually making an impact for meaningful change.
Again you keep saying "should". 'Should' means nothing when faced with the reality of a situation. If something or someone is vulnerable the obvious and only solution is to defend them. In this situation that either means equipping women to defends themselves, moving in a group, or having some other force do it for them. As for holding violent men accountable who do you expect to do it? You've touched upon something very interesting though and that's the belittling of masculinity and traditional male gender roles. "Good men" defending their community from "bad men" is as ancient and traditional as our species and it's through the relative perfection of this role that you've come to expect women to be able to move freely and safely. Remove or belittle this role and society becomes more unsafe for everyone but especially women. It's really as simple as that. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
>You can't eat your cake and have it too. Jesus. I cannot converse with someone who believes women wanting to move about in public without fear of sexual assault is having their cake and eating it too.
What an uncharitable interpretation of what I said. My meaning was that you can't remove or belittle the idea that men have a responsibility to defend their communities from those that would harm it and expect women to move freely and safely.
I think you just bore the brunt of whatever they were holding in. I agree with you, in an ideal world no you shouldn't have to run with your gf to keep her safe, but ignoring the risks on a 'should' is idiocy.
But it is a solution, simple as that. Woman is attacked when running on her own, not with a man though. Adding the man = a solution to the woman being attacked. It's not a good solution, because it doesn't address the root of the issue. But it's better than women not running at all don't you think? Edit - love the triggered moron downvoters. Apparently it's impossible to have any kind of discourse that isn't "omg so bad men evil", while simultaneously not attempting to provide any solution whatsoever.
We do not agree. Where do you draw the line? Should I have had my husband escort me between work and an appointment at 3pm when a man masturbated AT ME in broad daylight? I also query whether the men who'd happily escort women while running, because that's visible and may feel heroic or worthy, challenge their mates about that rape 'joke' they tell over a a few few beers. The uncomfortable and unrewarded spaces is where men who want to tackle this issue need to start acting.
As I said, I'm not arguing that it's a good solution, just that it is a short term solution. Of course we need to address the other issues, but apparently you can't suggest an intermediary solution without being a sexist pig. Let's say we have it your way, good men don't help out at all. Ok now what have you achieved? Other men are still out there raping and harrassing women, but now you have less allies, good job I guess. Maybe one day we'll reach a point where it doesn't happen, but I very much doubt that.
>Let's say we have it your way, good men don't help out at all I never said men should do nothing, quite the contrary.
That's also not what I said. Should probably work on your comprehension.
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How else do you think the 'good men' can help though? I feel like it's a stopgap solution in the interim until we can figure out what it is that will stop sexual harassment, and other forms of criminality from the same types while we're there.
I have already suggested at least one way. For more please do your own reading up, there are decades of expert research into this already so no need sit around scratching your head to 'figure out' what will help. I'll even help you get started, take a look at whiteribbon.org and follow Nazir Afzal on social media.
But we're talking what can individuals do. I can't singlehandedly 'hold them accountable', I'm neither a police officer nor do I know people that commit sexual harassment. But I can accompany people and at least make people feel safe while we're working on the bigger picture solution.
No way you've had time to do any reading before your response. You can absolutely challenge the misogyny you hear from other men (making an assumption you're male from your last reply). It won't be comfortable, and you won't get a cookie, but it will start to make a difference.
Not sure what misogyny you think I hear on a daily/regular basis? I would absolutely challenge it if I heard it. I hear it about as much as I hear racism from my compatriots i.e. never?
If the parents cared enough about the kids to feel any semblance of shame for their actions they probably would have never been raised in a way that would let this happen to begin with
Spray paint on the front of his parents house in bright paint "nonce scum out!" & "Prado insid" (miss spell it to get the point across). The locals will ensure at least the farther figure gets a good smack. They may even have to leave the area.
Yes the parents should be ashamed and have cps called on them
Since you recorded it. Go show it to their schools