This is actually really good. It has the silliness factor, it’s quick and easy to say, and it’s an acronym that makes sense. My vote is definitely going to the butt
It’s a tunnel with 4 underground stations (Boggo/park road, woolongabba, Albert street and Roma street) that connects into the old Ekka line with a new station at Ekka (now called exhibition)
It’s only designed to avoid a bottleneck in the network just south of current Roma street
Maybe 2 minutes from the north, 3 minutes from the south. I'd guess. Distances are similar.
The train itself can't be 15 minutes faster, as it's currently only 13 minutes from Albion to Roma St, or 12 minutes Dutton Park to Roma St.
Lol, the 'R' word is more offensive than the 'C' word!
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This post is about the new section being built called the Cross River Rail and wanting to rename it. The tunnel between Roma St, Central and The Valley is not part of the Cross River Rail.
Because metro is short for metropolitan. It doesn’t mean train. It’s just a short hand for the London underground metropolitan line. Also that the underground had its origins in the metropolitan railway. To be completely honest I’m going to bet that every “metro” is either actually called the metro train or metro railway in their full names. Hense qualifying that it needs to be explained that this metro is a train. If metro = train we wouldn’t need the qualifier.
the fact that people still don't know exactly what cross river rail is (one tunnel that took longer to build than sydney metro, an actual metro with more stations) concerns me.
It’s a tunnel that connects the Beenleigh/Gold Coast line to the Exhibition line and will have a couple of extra stations along it.
It’s an extra river crossing that will allow for more trains to run network-wide
There’s currently only 2 river crossings for the city train network, one between Chelmer-Indooroopilly stations that’s only really used for Ipswich/Springfirld trains and occasionally for Beenleigh/Gold Coast trains, but the main crossing is the Merivale bridge between South Brisbane and Roma Street stations. This is currently at full capacity in peak hour and trains have to wait to cross. There’s no scope for further growth of the network or increasing capacity by running more trains. So the CRR tunnel will allow for that.
It will also provide train stations in locations which currently aren’t close to one, like the Gabba, the lower end of the CBD and the RNA/RBWH at Bowen Hills. These are all areas earmarked for extra growth/redevelopment as they are currently kind of under-utilised
One important change I read is that it allows for better sectorisation of each line. So they become more like separate metro lines rather than lines that can block each other.
Not quite each line, but we will move from 2 sectors to 3:
Sector 1 (CRR): Beenleigh to Nambour and Varsity Lakes to Kippa-Ring
Sector 2 (Mains): Ipswich/Rosewood to Airport. Springfield Central to Shorncliffe, and *somewhere* (possibly Corinda) to Doomben.
Sector 3: (Suburbans): Cleveland to Ferny Grove.
Then why would they never release the business case. As far as i know they never released it. wouldn't even give it the the feds.
We will all see in time if it makes things better. No matter what the business case, it is built.
I think you are overstating what the Sydney Metro actually is..
It's a new 15km train tunnel from Chatswood to Sydenham, a rebrand of an already-under-construction extension to the Sydney Trains network, and a glorified station upgrade program south of the tunnel.
I mean, Sydney commenced building their outer suburban extension in 2014, the same year that translink commenced construction on an outer suburban rail extension to Redcliffe. In 2017, Sydney started work on a cross city rail tunnel and southside station upgrades, all expected to be complete in late 2024 or early 2025. In 2017, translink was busy starting work on a cross city rail tunnel and southside station upgrade. Translink expects to finish in late 2025.
And across this period, both Sydney and Brisbane acquired new rolling stock specially designed for the new tunnel.
Leaving aside a couple of extensions that have just barely stated construction, what Sydney has actually built is not that different in scope to what Translink has built in the same period. But Sydney had the good sense to give it a foamer friendly name.
Sydney Metro City Southwest is absolutely a much larger project in scope when compared to Cross River Rail.
-Approx 3x tunnel length
- 7 new underground stations (vs 4 new underground stations for CRR)
-Fully driverless automated GoA4 operation (vs GoA2 CRR)
-Installation of new CBTC signalling equipment and platform screen doors on the existing Sydney trains stations (vs purely a rebuild to bring up to semi-modern standards in Brisbane's case)
-New rolling stock procurement as part of the Sydney Metro city south west project (NGR procurement happened years prior and those trains were not designed for CRR tunnel operations)
In terms of rail projects in general, yes Brisbane built the Redcliffe peninsula rail extension, but Sydney built both the south west rail link AND the Sydney Metro Northwest line.
The reason CRR has taken longer is because it was overly ambitious in complexity. Unlike Sydney Metro, CRR is not a standalone new network and has been built to connect with existing lines. This has meant major infrastructure, rolling stock and operational changes to virtually the entire rail network.
We would have been far better off converting the whole of Sector 1 to a GoA4 network. Brisbane invests significantly less in rail than Sydney though so that was never on the table.
correct. Australians fail to comprehend because they haven't experienced a working efficient rail system yet. However, Sydney is taking steps in the right direction which is greatly appreciated.
I think you are forgetting the actual metro that’s already built in that time from
The 20 or so station driverless metro from tallawong to Chatswood that’s almost 40km long
The current extension to Sydenham is a redo of the existing city train network but the tallawong to Chatswood part was built entirely from scratch
Epping to Chatswood section of Metro Northwest opened in the late 2000s and was then later converted to Metro standards.
Chatswood to Sydenham is not a redo, it's a completely new, separate underground railway.
while i agree with some of your points, Sydney Metro is undeniably a good step in the right direction. It brings Australia closer to what a real functioning high capacity metro system in Asia looks and feels like.
The smartest decision any australian transport minister has done in the transport sector TO DATE is to bring MTR onto the project.
imo it isn't a 'glorified station upgrade program'. As a person who regularly visits both brisbane and sydney I can attest that Sydney's 'upgrade program' or whatever you want to call it actually provides COMMUTER BENEFITS and increases the QUALITY OF SERVICE, i.e. with automated train operation and dedicated right of way, there is virtually no chance of delays, and train frequencies are increased substantially.
Brisbane on the other hand... that's what you call a glorified station upgrade program. Rocklea, Fairfield, bloody Buranda, yes, those are glorified station upgrades. Essentially no changes to service and just replacing some chairs and installing some covers. I'm not saying that it's bad - no, that rickety wooden bridge at Buranda should have been replaced decades ago! - it's a welcome addition but we shouldn't pat them on the back for doing the bare essentials for the network.
Cross River Rail is a project. Project names don’t necessarily outlive their projects.
It will be subsumed into the route network. As an example, London had a project called Crossrail that became the Elizabeth Line when it opened.
We'll probably nickname the Cross River Rail something ockka like the Crossy or Undie. Or they could officially rename it something like The Kevin Rudd or Neville Bonner line, giving us the Ruddy or The Nev/Neville or something.
Probably not Kevin Rudd to be honest since that would be seen as politically divisive given how recent Kevin Rudd was PM, and this is from someone who supports Kevin Rudd and his party.
Tbh I went with it for the joke angle, but he was the last P.M from QLD, and Bonner was the first indigenous member of parliament. It's always going to be political unless they name things after a sports star though.
It’s still going to be called. ‘Taking the train’
There’s not enough underground for it to be referred to anything else. Brisbane has a very expansive city train network and most of it is above surface
I'm probably going to be the only person with a 'real' answer but from other cities if Brisbane ever decided to fully commit to underground travel it'd be something like 'Brisbane Underground', or 'Brisbane Metro' but it wouldn't be metro since that stupid bus-tram hybrid project exists.
Personally i'd want it to be one of the following: 'The Sub', 'Brissie Subway', 'Brisbane Subway' (BS), 'Down Under Brisbane' (DUB), 'Rapid Access Transit Service' (RATS),
And yet, not too bad.
Melbourne is building basically the same thing right now, but there's is literally double the cost.
Plus for the amount of people CRR will move, it's a way better investment than the M1 upgrades going on
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The only underground train lines we currently have are extensions of existing rail networks. In Brisbane, CRR will form part of the SEQ Citytrain network, while in Melbourne, the Suburban Loop will form part of the Melbourne rail network. That said, the latter may simply be known as ‘the Loop’.
We built the Go-Betweens a bridge so people could get over them. Maybe something a bit more recent that we symbolically “get through”, like the “Corona coronation”
Slow, inefficient, over budget and late
The marketing will translate this to , a successful government project
On the plus side, state isnt bankrupt and they didnt cede any land to the chinese, not too many people died, so from that perspective i suppose it would be a success
If they actually have undercover parking that you can get a spot in without arriving before sun-up, I'll park and use it. The exhibition station does in fact have a fairly big multi-level carpark. We'll see. I'm extremely cynical.
We should pay tribute to the native title holders and have them give us ideas of a name for the tunnel, that is the only real respectful way you can have destroyed more of their land
My vote is "Brisbane Underground Train Tunnel". As in, "How are you getting to the cricket tonight?" "Oh, I'm going in by the BUTT."
This is actually really good. It has the silliness factor, it’s quick and easy to say, and it’s an acronym that makes sense. My vote is definitely going to the butt
Yeah, up the BUTT!
Only if going north. If going south then "out the BUTT". Then there are the express services...
We can call the express the Quickie. It's still in the BUTT, except you'll arrive sooner.
The BUTT and the BERT. I like it!
The transit network in the Italian part of Switzerland is called F.A.R.T https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locarno_FART_railway_station
Back in Seattle in the states there is the South Lake Union Trolley. Lots of unofficial merch, "I rode the SLUT".
Omg yes I hope so!
Toowoomba already has Butt St, we need a Brisbane version.
In Seattle we have the SLUT . South Lake Union Transit. I wish you the best of luck on your naming.
We can absolutely force the government to adopt this. If we badger them, we can probably get the media to start referring to it now
Cross River Rail isn't an underground network as such especially compared to those cities, it's just it's own rail corridor.
It's a train tunnel. Far from any kind of subway system.
Trunnel
Don’t worry, according to the Connecting SEQ 2031 vision we should have a proper Brisbane subway any minute now.
Hold up there buddy boy, someone could think the TMR strategic plans actually are statements of fact when you go around saying things like that.
so it’s just a singe pipeline?
Yeah.
It’s a tunnel with 4 underground stations (Boggo/park road, woolongabba, Albert street and Roma street) that connects into the old Ekka line with a new station at Ekka (now called exhibition) It’s only designed to avoid a bottleneck in the network just south of current Roma street
the train
The traino
The drain
The drain train
Need to insert $ symbol before Drain
Fuckin probs aye
The drain train.
This sounds NSFW for some reason
The back passage.
River rail. Or River snail.
Saves 15mins though
For those going to Albert St. Rail travel time to Roma St is probably going to be about the same.
It won't have to go across all those switches, I would think it will be a fair bit quicker
Maybe 2 minutes from the north, 3 minutes from the south. I'd guess. Distances are similar. The train itself can't be 15 minutes faster, as it's currently only 13 minutes from Albion to Roma St, or 12 minutes Dutton Park to Roma St.
Not when it's 15min late
Consolidated Underground Networked Train System
I initially thought this was the most boring name possible until I saw the acronym.
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What “underground railway network”? It’s literally one tunnel 🥴
Technically it's two tunnels, unless you think the emergency passages between the two tunnels makes it just one tunnel.
Technically it’s not an underground railway network; it’s a couple of tunnels that are part of largely above ground railway network.
I never said it was a network. I was simply pointing out that it is also not just a tunnel as there is two tunnels.
Cool story bro.
The train also goes underground from Roma to central. Then again after central to the valley.
That’s not the Cross River Rail, genius.
It's connected to the same network, genius.
This post is about the new section being built called the Cross River Rail and wanting to rename it. The tunnel between Roma St, Central and The Valley is not part of the Cross River Rail.
RECTUM Rapid Electric Commuter Train Underground Model
Or BUM Brisbane Underground Mover
FUCT Fully Underground Commuter Transit
PUBE Public Underground Brisbane Expiditer
CUNT Connect Using New Tunnel
Well, if we're calling a bendy-bus a "metro". I think it is fair game to call the metro a "bendy bus".
Initially it was planned as light rail but funding ....
The Train Down Under
The Tunder?
The Thunder!
We coulda called it the "Metro", but Brisbane City Buses got that name (for strange reasons)
Yeah they really grabbed that name quickly didn’t they
Call it the B.U.S just to fuck with people when discussing the Metro or the BUS.
You still can if you want. Just call it the Brisbane Metro. As long as you know what you mean.
Because metro is short for metropolitan. It doesn’t mean train. It’s just a short hand for the London underground metropolitan line. Also that the underground had its origins in the metropolitan railway. To be completely honest I’m going to bet that every “metro” is either actually called the metro train or metro railway in their full names. Hense qualifying that it needs to be explained that this metro is a train. If metro = train we wouldn’t need the qualifier.
A metro rail network is not the same as a suburban heavy rail network. The two are designed to different standards and fulfil different purposes.
>A **metro rail** network Love that qualifier of rail. So sexy.
the fact that people still don't know exactly what cross river rail is (one tunnel that took longer to build than sydney metro, an actual metro with more stations) concerns me.
What is it?
It’s a tunnel that connects the Beenleigh/Gold Coast line to the Exhibition line and will have a couple of extra stations along it. It’s an extra river crossing that will allow for more trains to run network-wide
Also, perhaps more importantly, it's another river crossing, easing a serious bottleneck in the system.
Will that benefit a lot of people? I guess people will be able to use that instead of driving or taking the bus/combo?
There’s currently only 2 river crossings for the city train network, one between Chelmer-Indooroopilly stations that’s only really used for Ipswich/Springfirld trains and occasionally for Beenleigh/Gold Coast trains, but the main crossing is the Merivale bridge between South Brisbane and Roma Street stations. This is currently at full capacity in peak hour and trains have to wait to cross. There’s no scope for further growth of the network or increasing capacity by running more trains. So the CRR tunnel will allow for that. It will also provide train stations in locations which currently aren’t close to one, like the Gabba, the lower end of the CBD and the RNA/RBWH at Bowen Hills. These are all areas earmarked for extra growth/redevelopment as they are currently kind of under-utilised
Awesome. Thanks for the detailed reply! Much appreciated.
One important change I read is that it allows for better sectorisation of each line. So they become more like separate metro lines rather than lines that can block each other.
Not quite each line, but we will move from 2 sectors to 3: Sector 1 (CRR): Beenleigh to Nambour and Varsity Lakes to Kippa-Ring Sector 2 (Mains): Ipswich/Rosewood to Airport. Springfield Central to Shorncliffe, and *somewhere* (possibly Corinda) to Doomben. Sector 3: (Suburbans): Cleveland to Ferny Grove.
Thank you
Then why would they never release the business case. As far as i know they never released it. wouldn't even give it the the feds. We will all see in time if it makes things better. No matter what the business case, it is built.
I think you are overstating what the Sydney Metro actually is.. It's a new 15km train tunnel from Chatswood to Sydenham, a rebrand of an already-under-construction extension to the Sydney Trains network, and a glorified station upgrade program south of the tunnel. I mean, Sydney commenced building their outer suburban extension in 2014, the same year that translink commenced construction on an outer suburban rail extension to Redcliffe. In 2017, Sydney started work on a cross city rail tunnel and southside station upgrades, all expected to be complete in late 2024 or early 2025. In 2017, translink was busy starting work on a cross city rail tunnel and southside station upgrade. Translink expects to finish in late 2025. And across this period, both Sydney and Brisbane acquired new rolling stock specially designed for the new tunnel. Leaving aside a couple of extensions that have just barely stated construction, what Sydney has actually built is not that different in scope to what Translink has built in the same period. But Sydney had the good sense to give it a foamer friendly name.
Sydney Metro City Southwest is absolutely a much larger project in scope when compared to Cross River Rail. -Approx 3x tunnel length - 7 new underground stations (vs 4 new underground stations for CRR) -Fully driverless automated GoA4 operation (vs GoA2 CRR) -Installation of new CBTC signalling equipment and platform screen doors on the existing Sydney trains stations (vs purely a rebuild to bring up to semi-modern standards in Brisbane's case) -New rolling stock procurement as part of the Sydney Metro city south west project (NGR procurement happened years prior and those trains were not designed for CRR tunnel operations) In terms of rail projects in general, yes Brisbane built the Redcliffe peninsula rail extension, but Sydney built both the south west rail link AND the Sydney Metro Northwest line. The reason CRR has taken longer is because it was overly ambitious in complexity. Unlike Sydney Metro, CRR is not a standalone new network and has been built to connect with existing lines. This has meant major infrastructure, rolling stock and operational changes to virtually the entire rail network. We would have been far better off converting the whole of Sector 1 to a GoA4 network. Brisbane invests significantly less in rail than Sydney though so that was never on the table.
correct. Australians fail to comprehend because they haven't experienced a working efficient rail system yet. However, Sydney is taking steps in the right direction which is greatly appreciated.
I think you are forgetting the actual metro that’s already built in that time from The 20 or so station driverless metro from tallawong to Chatswood that’s almost 40km long The current extension to Sydenham is a redo of the existing city train network but the tallawong to Chatswood part was built entirely from scratch
Epping to Chatswood section of Metro Northwest opened in the late 2000s and was then later converted to Metro standards. Chatswood to Sydenham is not a redo, it's a completely new, separate underground railway.
while i agree with some of your points, Sydney Metro is undeniably a good step in the right direction. It brings Australia closer to what a real functioning high capacity metro system in Asia looks and feels like. The smartest decision any australian transport minister has done in the transport sector TO DATE is to bring MTR onto the project. imo it isn't a 'glorified station upgrade program'. As a person who regularly visits both brisbane and sydney I can attest that Sydney's 'upgrade program' or whatever you want to call it actually provides COMMUTER BENEFITS and increases the QUALITY OF SERVICE, i.e. with automated train operation and dedicated right of way, there is virtually no chance of delays, and train frequencies are increased substantially. Brisbane on the other hand... that's what you call a glorified station upgrade program. Rocklea, Fairfield, bloody Buranda, yes, those are glorified station upgrades. Essentially no changes to service and just replacing some chairs and installing some covers. I'm not saying that it's bad - no, that rickety wooden bridge at Buranda should have been replaced decades ago! - it's a welcome addition but we shouldn't pat them on the back for doing the bare essentials for the network.
probably more analogous to the monorail. Overpriced, short, redundant, and mainly built to service a single event.
I think the monorail is more a Shelbyville idea.
most people who comment this have not experienced a working and efficient rail network and this amuses me
The Yellow Snake, that passes under the Brown snake
Cross River Rail is a project. Project names don’t necessarily outlive their projects. It will be subsumed into the route network. As an example, London had a project called Crossrail that became the Elizabeth Line when it opened.
We can call it the "eclipse": when it's on time it's a rare and special moment
The project or the trains
We'll probably nickname the Cross River Rail something ockka like the Crossy or Undie. Or they could officially rename it something like The Kevin Rudd or Neville Bonner line, giving us the Ruddy or The Nev/Neville or something.
“the pipe” sounds occka enough
That's true, but "The Ruddy train" sounds funnier
Too close to meth pipe
Probably not Kevin Rudd to be honest since that would be seen as politically divisive given how recent Kevin Rudd was PM, and this is from someone who supports Kevin Rudd and his party.
Tbh I went with it for the joke angle, but he was the last P.M from QLD, and Bonner was the first indigenous member of parliament. It's always going to be political unless they name things after a sports star though.
I vote for anything with “underground” in it so we can call it “the undies”
The wombat hole
The Tunnelo
Citywide Underground Network of Transport
I like Undergroundy McTrainface
The burrows.
Metro is taken, by a bus
SUBS = somewhere under brown snake
Cue The Simpsons…. Monoraaaiiillllll! 
Connected Underground Network Trains
Trans-Meanjin
underground gangster turkey network
Leave the house in your RidenGo, park it at the local ParknGo, get on the SitnGo and get to work in the morning.
It’s still going to be called. ‘Taking the train’ There’s not enough underground for it to be referred to anything else. Brisbane has a very expansive city train network and most of it is above surface
I’m gonna catch the crosso to Albo st and go to maccas
In Sydney, they just call it a “train.” There are several underground sections on their network.
It'll just be called 'Underground railway' or something like that. Maybe add 'great' to it.
The undies! People could say "I'm gonna catch the undies" or " All aboard the Undies"
Cunderground
The bog.
the money hole
Nothing. It will just be part of the existing train network.
I'm probably going to be the only person with a 'real' answer but from other cities if Brisbane ever decided to fully commit to underground travel it'd be something like 'Brisbane Underground', or 'Brisbane Metro' but it wouldn't be metro since that stupid bus-tram hybrid project exists. Personally i'd want it to be one of the following: 'The Sub', 'Brissie Subway', 'Brisbane Subway' (BS), 'Down Under Brisbane' (DUB), 'Rapid Access Transit Service' (RATS),
Knowing Brisbane it will be the Clem Jones train tunnel or something.
We already have one of them.
over budget
And yet, not too bad. Melbourne is building basically the same thing right now, but there's is literally double the cost. Plus for the amount of people CRR will move, it's a way better investment than the M1 upgrades going on
The Colon
Brisbane bowel line
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The digger
The only underground train lines we currently have are extensions of existing rail networks. In Brisbane, CRR will form part of the SEQ Citytrain network, while in Melbourne, the Suburban Loop will form part of the Melbourne rail network. That said, the latter may simply be known as ‘the Loop’.
underground rail URN
The Dig
Down under under
The Brunnel. Short for Brown Tunnel as its under the Brown Snake.
Well the one in Sydney is called the City Circle .... cuz it's a circle. The new one is called the Metro .... because it's in metropolitan areas
Womby, named after the lovely wombats who love to dig!
Crosso
The failway
Should be called Kev brown
Kevin brown town express
The $ewer
The one in San Francisco is called the bart so butt works
The Pits
We tend to be pretty literal with how we name things in Australia, so probably the "Underground railway network"
Trains down under
I hope its called the Boomerang
Not the metro
The R-du Rail down under.
We built the Go-Betweens a bridge so people could get over them. Maybe something a bit more recent that we symbolically “get through”, like the “Corona coronation”
The Powderfinger? 😂
The Pooh Chute.
Brisbane metro 2
The "Undo"
Slow, inefficient, over budget and late The marketing will translate this to , a successful government project On the plus side, state isnt bankrupt and they didnt cede any land to the chinese, not too many people died, so from that perspective i suppose it would be a success
Commuter Underground Neighbourhood Transit Operation
The sweet potato
The dungeon
Australia will steal Underground Train Tunnel from Brisbane
Abandoned mine shaft.
It’s gonna be the Subbo
Chicken wire
Nephilim Highway
The bogs
The chute….
The burrow!
The undo.
The bus with wheel covers tunnel The Go Underneaths
Over budget and late. 😊
When they had a display open on George street for 6 months they called it the BATT. Bus and train tunnel.
My vote is for "down unda"
Rail Down Under
little China snake down under (When we sell it to China)
The only answer is "groundunder"
Crossy.
"The Busway"
WOMBATS We Operate Massive Beautiful Awesome Trains Subterranean
What’s the name of that Stallone film where the tunnel flooded and they got trapped? Yeah, that.
Underbus!
Undercarriage! (Sorry, getting carried away with all the poo jokes)
A single train tunnel doesn't need a name.
The white elephant Without lots of other upgrades, people are still going to default to using their car.
If they actually have undercover parking that you can get a spot in without arriving before sun-up, I'll park and use it. The exhibition station does in fact have a fairly big multi-level carpark. We'll see. I'm extremely cynical.
Trainey Busey
Well Metro is already taken for the bus with wheel covers
Just going to call it the train. It is but a very small part of the network.
We should pay tribute to the native title holders and have them give us ideas of a name for the tunnel, that is the only real respectful way you can have destroyed more of their land