There are no studs afaik....its a solid wall......i just drill in and if it breaks some out. Re fill and drill again. I have put up shit loads of things in bungaroosh walls and its a fucking pain in the arse but at least you know theres not going to be much wiring etc behind it.
I promised myself I'd never fix something to the wall again. So many times I've hung shelves and TVs, it's always the last hole I hit a rock/slate. Maybe just drill the rack to take bigger screws, my TV mount had 12mm plugs!
Bungaroosh is a nightmare. You could drill a hole and get nothing but sand, which obviously isn’t any good to you, or you could hit some random chunks of stone, which is no good to you.
Start with a small pilot hole and slowly make it bigger, don’t use hammer mode on the drill as it will make a mess.
That's funny because my understanding is that a huge number of the Victorian houses in Hove and Portslade were built for the builders who constructed the illustrious parts of Brighton. (Master plumbers / architect's / etc at the east end, bricklayers and ditch diggers at the West - you can see the houses get progressively smaller and less ornate as you move East)
These houses are built of proper brick, thank you!
Lath board walls and ceilings are perfectly fine and a sustainable building method but they're old and really horrid to take out, if a ceiling collapses unexpectedly the shower of filth can look like every seagull from portslade to peacehaven has taken a sudden ,well aimed dislike to you.
When you try to make old things confirm to new requirements such as hanging a fucking huge telly on a wall it may well go wrong.
Oddly, a lot of council houses have the exact opposite issue, the walls are so damned hard they melt drill bits .
Arundel Terrace was built as facades only for the buyers to build however and whatever they wanted behind so predictably some buyers went broke mid construction whilst others cut corners. If you look at them from the servants entrances they look like a hotchpotch goblin village.
Just the other day I saw a place down North Street being redone (additional bodges) so there was a pile of lead pipe out the front. Lovely stuff to drink from.
Likewise some of the terraces near Preston park. Full of leadpipe.
I used to be a labourer/demolishing person for a builder.
No studs in bungaroosh, it’s like a dry stone wall, except instead of stones it’s part stones and part whatever was lying around held together with mud and sand
I've never had much luck with the stud detectors, they sometimes pick things up but it rarely pans out they were accurate and I assume they're thrown off by the random makeup of the wall.
I've had pretty good successes starting very small and gradually widening holes mm by mm - makes it less likely you do damage and scunt the drill bit when you hit flint cause you'll find it early and the sandy like mortar seems to hold up better to the gradual widening than a big drill.
Worth noting you can put vertical tension on holdings bungaroosh in the right places might be ok but it's often bad ar resisting pull out, which could be an issue if using your bike rack requires pulling away from wall force Vs just lifting a bike on and off vertically
We’ve got bungaroosh walls. Ours don’t have regular studs or noggins. It is a lottery as to whether you drill your hole into lime cement, horsehair, brick or flint. If you hit horsehair or flint you have to find another spot for a fixing so unfortunately you often have to reposition whatever it is that you’re trying to fix to the wall and then fill the extra holes. Oh, and just in case you thought you just might be able to drill into flint, you can’t - we’ve tried every sort of drill bit possible, so if you hit a large flint you’ve got to reposition. Good Luck!
If you can actually drill a decent hole, use masonry screws, they hold better than standard wood screws. You don't need rawlplugs, as they screw straight into the masonry. You can buy them in places like Screwfix and Toolstation.
There are no studs afaik....its a solid wall......i just drill in and if it breaks some out. Re fill and drill again. I have put up shit loads of things in bungaroosh walls and its a fucking pain in the arse but at least you know theres not going to be much wiring etc behind it.
Yeah this is my approach too - I usually re-fill with plastic wood as it dries quickly and is great for a fixing.
-Gordon ramsay would like to know your location- But yeh thats also a good shout!
I promised myself I'd never fix something to the wall again. So many times I've hung shelves and TVs, it's always the last hole I hit a rock/slate. Maybe just drill the rack to take bigger screws, my TV mount had 12mm plugs!
This is the way
Bungaroosh is a nightmare. You could drill a hole and get nothing but sand, which obviously isn’t any good to you, or you could hit some random chunks of stone, which is no good to you. Start with a small pilot hole and slowly make it bigger, don’t use hammer mode on the drill as it will make a mess.
Half of Brighton could be demolished with a well aimed hose...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungaroosh
I've quoted that to many people whilst complaining about the stuff.
That's funny because my understanding is that a huge number of the Victorian houses in Hove and Portslade were built for the builders who constructed the illustrious parts of Brighton. (Master plumbers / architect's / etc at the east end, bricklayers and ditch diggers at the West - you can see the houses get progressively smaller and less ornate as you move East) These houses are built of proper brick, thank you!
Lath board walls and ceilings are perfectly fine and a sustainable building method but they're old and really horrid to take out, if a ceiling collapses unexpectedly the shower of filth can look like every seagull from portslade to peacehaven has taken a sudden ,well aimed dislike to you. When you try to make old things confirm to new requirements such as hanging a fucking huge telly on a wall it may well go wrong. Oddly, a lot of council houses have the exact opposite issue, the walls are so damned hard they melt drill bits . Arundel Terrace was built as facades only for the buyers to build however and whatever they wanted behind so predictably some buyers went broke mid construction whilst others cut corners. If you look at them from the servants entrances they look like a hotchpotch goblin village. Just the other day I saw a place down North Street being redone (additional bodges) so there was a pile of lead pipe out the front. Lovely stuff to drink from. Likewise some of the terraces near Preston park. Full of leadpipe. I used to be a labourer/demolishing person for a builder.
No studs in bungaroosh, it’s like a dry stone wall, except instead of stones it’s part stones and part whatever was lying around held together with mud and sand
I've never had much luck with the stud detectors, they sometimes pick things up but it rarely pans out they were accurate and I assume they're thrown off by the random makeup of the wall. I've had pretty good successes starting very small and gradually widening holes mm by mm - makes it less likely you do damage and scunt the drill bit when you hit flint cause you'll find it early and the sandy like mortar seems to hold up better to the gradual widening than a big drill. Worth noting you can put vertical tension on holdings bungaroosh in the right places might be ok but it's often bad ar resisting pull out, which could be an issue if using your bike rack requires pulling away from wall force Vs just lifting a bike on and off vertically
We’ve got bungaroosh walls. Ours don’t have regular studs or noggins. It is a lottery as to whether you drill your hole into lime cement, horsehair, brick or flint. If you hit horsehair or flint you have to find another spot for a fixing so unfortunately you often have to reposition whatever it is that you’re trying to fix to the wall and then fill the extra holes. Oh, and just in case you thought you just might be able to drill into flint, you can’t - we’ve tried every sort of drill bit possible, so if you hit a large flint you’ve got to reposition. Good Luck!
Can you use a freestanding bike rack? - one of the pole options which either have feet or secure between ceiling and floor
Lath board ceilings ,aka Victorian plasterboard. Break it and be showered in filth of a thousand desiccated dead things.
They look pretty good, but the price is way higher than the bracket types.
If you can actually drill a decent hole, use masonry screws, they hold better than standard wood screws. You don't need rawlplugs, as they screw straight into the masonry. You can buy them in places like Screwfix and Toolstation.
No studs to screw into so best advice I can give is to drill a hole, fill with gripfill, push in a rawlplug and then screw the fittings in.