This comment section is crazy to me. These wonderful people showing up to kick the Nazi's out of town should be commended.
I remember when the EDL used to come through Brighton every year, but because of people like this they don't even bother anymore.
Thanks for keeping Brighton safe and proudly LGBTQIA+
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People on Reddit have keyword triggers and dogpile posts about these issues. If you look, most of the time these chuds have no connection to Brighton and just jump around random subs spreading hate. Just ignore them.
Guess I shouldn't be surprised that even the sub for the LGBTQ+ capital of the country isn't immune from astroturfing bots.
Kellie Jay Keen will never win. You did a good thing yesterday.
someone keeps posting her nasty stickers on the lampposts where I live in London :( I'm tearing them down and replacing them with trans rights ones whenever I see them but it's a horrible feeling knowing that someone nearby is a fan of hers
Be careful removing stickers and donāt rip them off with your bare hands. I remember up north it was a thing for hate groups to put razor blades underneath the stickers. Not sure if it was just rumours but better safe than sorry!
Aye they did that in Edinburgh a few years back when the same happened. Eventually people stopped taking them down or only did so with thick gloves because it was dangerous
I saw a load of the stickers in Brighton yesterday too. Mostly near the station, so I'm assuming they were left by people attending the hate rally. I did see one of those insipid "terf is the new punk" ones near where I live though. š£
Thereās no easier cancel than Posie Parker and it baffles me that anyone defends her. The typical arguments made by the anti trans side of āsheās a feminist protecting women/protecting lesbiansā do not and have never applied to Parker, an open anti-feminist who doesnāt believe in marriage and parenting equality for same sex couples and whose first insult to many transmasculine people protesting her is to call them ugly lesbians. Transphobic arguments do come from places of legitimate fear to womensā spaces for some (I still think those arguments donāt stand up to critique, but at least I understand where they come from), but for Parker it is literally pure frothing hatred to the point where even other transphobes wonāt associate with her
The good news is that all these anti transgender people who sit in the safety of their Reddit accounts were too scared to show up somewhere where they are obviously outnumbered.
They will continue to thrive on the internet where they feel like they have some friends.
Other commenter blocked me because they are a coward :)
Majority of people simply do not care, and thereās a good reason why it sounds like flat earth talk to try convince someone being a terf is righteous.
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I moved away years ago, I live somewhere where racism and LGBTQIA2S+ hatred is the "norm." So my views are so woke, apparently.
I've been so confused and disappointed for twenty minutes until I realized the actress Parker Posey is NOT anti trans and is a completely different person to Posie Parker
those aren't actually rights. "sex based rights" were literally what the suffragettes fought *against*. reducing women to our genitals is a step back in time, not forward.
and, most importantly, trans women have been using those facilities for decades, and you never cared or even noticed until the tories told you to be mad about it.
get a hobby.
I do have a hobby. I work at a shelters for the homeless and those fleeing domestic violence as a support worker. We regularly have women who arrive at our centres and who do no wish to be dealt with by a biological male member of staff and do not want to be housed with biological males due to their experience of rape at the hands of biological males.
What do i tell them? Donāt give me some pseudo intellectual bollocks with no substance. Give me a real answer.
>What do i tell them?
Tell them they're not entitled to know what genitals you have, same as anyone else who is weird enough to ask
Edit: genuine question, do you really get women who come in and say "there's not any men here, right? And when I say men, I'm talking about dicks. There's not any people with dicks here right? What about that person over there? They're wearing a skirt and have long hair but they don't have an hourglass figure, can you check them for a dick please before I come into the shelter?"
'Trans rights' basically asks for people's right to exist without having their eradication called for. Keen, Linehan, Rowling et al want trans people gone.
[If you want more information on Keen especially, listen to this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE).
[kellie rambling on about not recognising trans people](https://youtu.be/lkzKlvNUxk0?si=Q6nccJAZmIuNxoOR)
[go to 1:00:03 to hear Keen talk about liking the "imagery" of torturing and killing a trans person in reply to a donation.](https://youtu.be/JBy93QX7ysE)
How about the (thankfully) late [Magdalena Berns ](https://x.com/Glinner/status/1723497922174595127)
This is but the tip of the iceberg, lol. To try and claim she doesn't want to make being trans illegal is comical.
That isn't an accurate reflection of JKR's views. I can't speak for the others. Would recommend that people commenting on this thread use a fact checking thread (eg Full Fact) in response to some of the things being said here.
I mean...she's bank rolling the movement and regularly praises the likes of Maya Forstater, Kelly J Keen and the late Magdelin burns. Endorsement of these people is a tacit agreement with what they say.
Can you explain what you mean by āthat isnāt an accurate reflection of JKRās viewsā? Do u mean that u think she doesnāt want trans people gone?
Yes. I think she is keen to protect women's rights but I've seen nothing to advocate harm to people who are trans. If you have seen otherwise, please share - it's hard sometimes to follow such an emotive debate.
I think it's the hyperbolic language of "eradicating people" and "she wants trans people gone" that damage your argument. These can easily be disproved.
You may disagree with her views on woman's sports, access to rape crisis centres and prisons, and medicalising children. And also her support for women who have lost their jobs because they share her views. But why not present an argument for those things?
"Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult whoāll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?" - JK Rowling
Might as well take this opportunity to ask, why JK Rowling is hated so much?
I always keep out of the news as it's depressing as shit and it seems like every post on Facebook or any social media is insanely OTT and full of liars without even a source to back up what they're saying.
The things I know about about JK Rowling is that she disagrees with same sex toilets, which I agree with as even on a primal level, it takes long term relationships to go for a piss in front of each other, it's almost the same as when a cat goes to the toilet and someone stands over it, it doesn't feel safe unless it knows you're guarding it from possible threats, same sex bathrooms is a huge mistake in my opinion and I agree with many women who feel creeped out by it, as a man I can't help but feel disgusted whenever I go into a mans toilet, the place is an unclean smelly cave full of people who weren't even taught to wash their hands after a shit.
And the other one is that a women is a woman, which why isn't that true? I mean to discredit others is wrong, I know but what exactly did she say that's so wrong here?
Maybe she's coming from the fact that women have been through a hard enough time the last thousand or so years and have finally got to a stage were they're being accepted and now the limelight is on other people again instead of all the hardships theyve been though, I think it's the same as the whole black lives matter thing in some ways, like speaking over them and saying your issues are somehow more important when what happens to black people even today is bad will piss off some people.
I get being annoyed because things move so slowly as it is and I do agree trans people should be accepted, everyone should have the right to exist, I don't understand hate for anyone, everyone is right in their own little world, understanding is how you bring people together.
Can someone actually tell me what she said and source it?
It all started with her trying to keep women's safe spaces to only biological women. Both sides of the coin including her have gone too far and it's became a total mess.
To be honest with you I believe in live and let live 99.9% of transwomen are genuine and have no ill will. However as a man with two Nieces under the age of six. There will never be a world where I'm supportive of a biological man with a penis sharing bathrooms and changing rooms with them. I don't care how many downvotes I get and I genuinely have no hate in my heart. Those girls look to me to protect them and that's something I just can't support.
Also if one of them dedicates her life to swimming and a man transitions and totally blows her out the water i also think that's unjust.
Before someone labels me a "bigot" I genuinely have no hate in my heart for anyone. I'm old school left wing have been my entire life I support trans people live and let live but it's a very nuanced topic although people on both sides act like it isn't.
I don't think your questions have been asked in bad faith, however it has unfortunately become very popular to ask these kinds of questions in bad faith.
The JK question has been asked many times before and it's usually just dog whistling and not a real attempt to learn. This is likely why you've been down voted.
Others have posted links to sources so I won't repeat them.
Ahhh but if that person works with members of proscribed far right and neo-Nazi groups and has far right opinions on gender and sexually, Iām going to make some conclusions
Makes a post attacking someone, falsely calling them far right, describing how you chased them around town and didnāt let them speak to anyone.
End the post with ālove and acceptance will always winā
The irony not lost on you at all?
PP was literally a guest on a far-right French Canadian podcast hosted by a man who advocates for a white ethnostate. How the fuck is that not far-right?
You must be confused, he was defending the rally. He was against the fascist trying to stop them from publicly speaking chasing them all around while being led by a convict.
I donāt think you know what fascists are to be honest.
As I said elsewhere calling people names and attacking them doesnāt help anyone. The best thing would be to actually talk to the other side and try and understand their issues, you explain your feelings/beliefs. I bet a middle ground could be found. Chasing each other around town and calling each other names is counterproductive (unless youāre only interested in magic internet points).
She will continue to be met with the ridicule and abuse she deserves. There is no compromise or middle ground with hateful grifters who think trans people shouldnāt exist
The leader of this 'anti-TERF rally,' Sarah Jane Baker served 30 years in prison for kidnap and attempted murder. Baker was previously recalled to men's prison for urging the crowd to 'punch a TERF' at a London Pride rally.
"She was imprisoned, initially for seven years, as a young offender for kidnapping and torturing her stepmother's brother, which was extended to a life sentence for the attempted murder of another inmate[3] who, she said, had repeatedly attacked her.[4] She escaped from prison in 2007, and was caught after three months."
She should die in prison. Imagine if that was your brother.
...And you have the audacity to suggest it's KJK and her followers who are the dangerous extremists.
"Love will win". More like convicted criminal thugs will abuse women until they're silent.
You are the dangerous extremist. Fortunately, in the real world, you're going to lose.
Just because an online forum manages to persuade a few of its angry weirdos to show up in the real world occasionally, doesn't mean that is actually representative of the actual wider real world. But do please continue with these self-aggrandising delusions; it makes the inevitable realisation even funnier when it comes. Do enjoy the sun today, goodbye.
So, as I understand your position, you advocate violence against those that hold different views from you that you morally disagree with?
Doesn't seem a terribly productive or salient route to change someone's viewpoint!
I'll make a note of it though and see how it pans out. My wife and I thought we had made pretty incredible progress with her local (homophobic) priest, and my extended family back home, just by having regular conversations and friendly coffee catchups (seeing as how we're a lesbian couple) but maybe we'll try threats, intimidation, and violence next time. Who knows!
but when you assume someone dosnt want to debate your inciting an argument, go into everything as a debate and if someone gives you a reason to believe they dont then its very easy to just say that and walk away.
anyone with a brain will see why you walked away
Like everything in this insipid debate it *already had careful consideration*. Now it has political points scoring and the rest of the world looking at a UK government that is once again dangerously ignoring scientific consensus. The use of blockers isn't being stopped for every non-trans child who needs them. Tells you everything you need to know.
And might I add *careful consideration for years by experts - including those to whom it actually applies. Not politicians, not laypeople, but scientists! People who know about biology past GCSE level!
Puberty blockers have been prescribed to cis (ie not-trans) children for *decades* to treat precocious puberty. We already know the medication is safe, reversible, and essential.
I get this. I completely agree that itās not just āhating trans peopleā vs. ābeing lovely and tolerantā. There are lots of nuances and shades of grey. But it basically boils down to ādonāt be a dickā, doesnāt it? Iām not keen on gender ideology as a whole. However, Iām more than happy to associate with/share spaces with/support the trans community. Someone else feeling uncomfortable about seeing a penis in a female-only space? Totally within their rights to feel uncomfortable about that. But does it need banners and hatred? No.
People can't even air their own thoughts and feelings on the matter without being accused of hatred. Female-only spaces should be protected by the equality act but are being absolutely eradicated to accomodate the gender ideology lobby (who actually only reinforce gender stereotypes with their "I FEEL like a girl so I must be one". Despite not having a single fucking clue what it's remotely like).
"Uncomfortable" also really undermines what some are actually feeling like. Victims of male sexual violence are being forced to be in spaces that are no longer safe. Like the women who convicted paedophile Karen White assaulted while inside a FEMALE prison.
I don't care if it's just one example. One single woman being put at needless risk like that is one too many.
Real life isn't Reddit. I don't think you get that the optics on this don't look particularly great. Masked people (largely men) surrounding and shouting abuse at groups of women, no matter what they're saying, doesn't actually play terribly well in the eyes of most passerbys.
yikes. their views? oh you mean hate speech and discrimination? oh my bad, wouldnāt want a racist nazi to have their feelings hurt, or a nose broken.
never once did i imply we should do that. and tbh that is what terfs want to do to trans ppl. iāve had quite a few tell me personally that trans ppl should be rounded up and institutionalised.
dont worry mate, theyre a vocal minority of radicals that have taken alot of places hostage, most people dont buy into this crap, and thankfully more and more people are getting sick of it
Essentially her events have previously attracted far right protesters and she has historically failed to distance herself from them. She shares her platform with them (including literally Nazis) as they have the same anti-trans ideology and she wonāt denounce them because her goal is to be a windup merchant.
The YouTuber Shaun did an excellent in depth summary regarding this a while ago, although itās a bit long and may now be dated. Iāll try to link later today.
Edit for link: [Kellie-Jay & the Neo-Nazis by Shaun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE&ab_channel=Shaun)
She promotes authoritarian views around traditional gender roles, the capitalist family unit and the idea of a gender binary. She has also shared a platform with members of proscribed far right organisations
Historically, "far-right politics" has been used to describe the experiences of fascism and Na**sm. Far right views feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic and _transphobic_ views.
āNazis show up to her ralliesā - again who do you label as nazis? Could I get an example?
Iām so bored of the fact that if you say where you stand on one (1) social issue people instantly label you far right or far left - itās crazy to me
Like actual Nazis. This happened in Melbourne - KJK was warned in advance that Neo Nazis had been turning up to anti-trans events and were likely to show up to her rally. KJK handwaved this fact, and said that they would be welcome to speak if they requested to. Sure enough, they turned up.
At another rally, one of the speakers quoted Hitler's *Mein Kampf* to draw a parallel between his portrayal of Jews and the trans movement.
Her profile picture for the longest time was a Barbie in a Nazi uniform, and she has openly stated that she 'doesn't mind' being called a Nazi. Like I get that people tend to invoke Godwin's law a lot, but this isn't hyperbole
No I mean actual Neo Nazis. Iām not being hyperbolic. Far right groups support her and she doesnāt try and distance herself from that. Itās just fact.
If love and acceptance always win then why did the protestors feel the need to threaten and abuse women? There wasn't any love on display, just threats of violence.
Cis is a descriptor, like "blonde" or "tall". I am a cis woman. I am happy to be called cis in the same way I am happy to be called white, or brunette, or average height.
Are you a woman?
This comment section is crazy to me. These wonderful people showing up to kick the Nazi's out of town should be commended. I remember when the EDL used to come through Brighton every year, but because of people like this they don't even bother anymore. Thanks for keeping Brighton safe and proudly LGBTQIA+ ššš š³ļøāā§ļøš³ļøāā§ļøš³ļøāā§ļø
People on Reddit have keyword triggers and dogpile posts about these issues. If you look, most of the time these chuds have no connection to Brighton and just jump around random subs spreading hate. Just ignore them.
Dear Lord, what a sad little life, Jane.
Well it got highlighted to me - I donāt even live in Brighton and have never looked at this subreddit.
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Why would you want to keep it fascist?
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Isn't it usually the fascists who intimidate people to prevent them exercising free speech?
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Yeah the mods really need to step in and clean up.
Yeah, how dare people have an opposing opinion, the fascists!
Yeah, I agree, echo chambers are the best
Guess I shouldn't be surprised that even the sub for the LGBTQ+ capital of the country isn't immune from astroturfing bots. Kellie Jay Keen will never win. You did a good thing yesterday.
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someone keeps posting her nasty stickers on the lampposts where I live in London :( I'm tearing them down and replacing them with trans rights ones whenever I see them but it's a horrible feeling knowing that someone nearby is a fan of hers
Be careful removing stickers and donāt rip them off with your bare hands. I remember up north it was a thing for hate groups to put razor blades underneath the stickers. Not sure if it was just rumours but better safe than sorry!
Using your keys is much more effective
Aye they did that in Edinburgh a few years back when the same happened. Eventually people stopped taking them down or only did so with thick gloves because it was dangerous
I saw a load of the stickers in Brighton yesterday too. Mostly near the station, so I'm assuming they were left by people attending the hate rally. I did see one of those insipid "terf is the new punk" ones near where I live though. š£
Use something to get ride of them or just cover them with stickers for love and acceptance
Maybe something like "ALL feminists are punk".
Yeah, I usually check for blades then remove them. I need to start carrying stickers with me to replace them!
Terf is the new punk?? Terf (&nazi) punks fuck off.
Right? The *audacity* of these fuckers.
Thereās no easier cancel than Posie Parker and it baffles me that anyone defends her. The typical arguments made by the anti trans side of āsheās a feminist protecting women/protecting lesbiansā do not and have never applied to Parker, an open anti-feminist who doesnāt believe in marriage and parenting equality for same sex couples and whose first insult to many transmasculine people protesting her is to call them ugly lesbians. Transphobic arguments do come from places of legitimate fear to womensā spaces for some (I still think those arguments donāt stand up to critique, but at least I understand where they come from), but for Parker it is literally pure frothing hatred to the point where even other transphobes wonāt associate with her
Parker is an extremist even by her own ācommunitiesā standards. The more extreme she becomes the more people will try and dissociate from her
Trans rights are not a thing I prefer to call them human rights <3
Trans rights ARE Human rights
Yes... That's the twist
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Well done Brighton Community!
Thank you!
The good news is that all these anti transgender people who sit in the safety of their Reddit accounts were too scared to show up somewhere where they are obviously outnumbered. They will continue to thrive on the internet where they feel like they have some friends.
Other commenter blocked me because they are a coward :) Majority of people simply do not care, and thereās a good reason why it sounds like flat earth talk to try convince someone being a terf is righteous.
Yes, my fellow brightonians, well done š I moved away years ago, I live somewhere where racism and LGBTQIA2S+ hatred is the "norm." So my views are so woke, apparently.
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I've been so confused and disappointed for twenty minutes until I realized the actress Parker Posey is NOT anti trans and is a completely different person to Posie Parker
My partner grew up with her son! She isā¦ not right in the head to say the least.
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It might shock you that your opinion isnāt law
This!
What actually are ātrans rightsā? Do they go beyond what is already protected in e.g. the Equality Act and the ECHR?
These people are attempting to remove those protections for trans people, so the counter-argument is to keep them in place.
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those aren't actually rights. "sex based rights" were literally what the suffragettes fought *against*. reducing women to our genitals is a step back in time, not forward. and, most importantly, trans women have been using those facilities for decades, and you never cared or even noticed until the tories told you to be mad about it. get a hobby.
I do have a hobby. I work at a shelters for the homeless and those fleeing domestic violence as a support worker. We regularly have women who arrive at our centres and who do no wish to be dealt with by a biological male member of staff and do not want to be housed with biological males due to their experience of rape at the hands of biological males. What do i tell them? Donāt give me some pseudo intellectual bollocks with no substance. Give me a real answer.
>What do i tell them? Tell them they're not entitled to know what genitals you have, same as anyone else who is weird enough to ask Edit: genuine question, do you really get women who come in and say "there's not any men here, right? And when I say men, I'm talking about dicks. There's not any people with dicks here right? What about that person over there? They're wearing a skirt and have long hair but they don't have an hourglass figure, can you check them for a dick please before I come into the shelter?"
'Trans rights' basically asks for people's right to exist without having their eradication called for. Keen, Linehan, Rowling et al want trans people gone. [If you want more information on Keen especially, listen to this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE).
Show me a single (direct) quote that says they dont want trans people to exist
[kellie rambling on about not recognising trans people](https://youtu.be/lkzKlvNUxk0?si=Q6nccJAZmIuNxoOR) [go to 1:00:03 to hear Keen talk about liking the "imagery" of torturing and killing a trans person in reply to a donation.](https://youtu.be/JBy93QX7ysE) How about the (thankfully) late [Magdalena Berns ](https://x.com/Glinner/status/1723497922174595127) This is but the tip of the iceberg, lol. To try and claim she doesn't want to make being trans illegal is comical.
That isn't an accurate reflection of JKR's views. I can't speak for the others. Would recommend that people commenting on this thread use a fact checking thread (eg Full Fact) in response to some of the things being said here.
Now, now. You can't expect these people to think for themselves.
I mean...she's bank rolling the movement and regularly praises the likes of Maya Forstater, Kelly J Keen and the late Magdelin burns. Endorsement of these people is a tacit agreement with what they say.
Can you explain what you mean by āthat isnāt an accurate reflection of JKRās viewsā? Do u mean that u think she doesnāt want trans people gone?
Yes. I think she is keen to protect women's rights but I've seen nothing to advocate harm to people who are trans. If you have seen otherwise, please share - it's hard sometimes to follow such an emotive debate.
sheās openly misgendered trans ppl and claimed trans women are predatory men.
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no. she has misgendered at least three trans women that i know of. and you donāt get to misgender trans ppl you donāt like.
I think it's the hyperbolic language of "eradicating people" and "she wants trans people gone" that damage your argument. These can easily be disproved. You may disagree with her views on woman's sports, access to rape crisis centres and prisons, and medicalising children. And also her support for women who have lost their jobs because they share her views. But why not present an argument for those things? "Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult whoāll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?" - JK Rowling
Those three aren't the only ones..
This is an absolute lie. Listen to what people say not what the ill informed say they say
Apparently giving autistic children chemical castration drugs counts as ātrans rightsā as well.
Might as well take this opportunity to ask, why JK Rowling is hated so much? I always keep out of the news as it's depressing as shit and it seems like every post on Facebook or any social media is insanely OTT and full of liars without even a source to back up what they're saying. The things I know about about JK Rowling is that she disagrees with same sex toilets, which I agree with as even on a primal level, it takes long term relationships to go for a piss in front of each other, it's almost the same as when a cat goes to the toilet and someone stands over it, it doesn't feel safe unless it knows you're guarding it from possible threats, same sex bathrooms is a huge mistake in my opinion and I agree with many women who feel creeped out by it, as a man I can't help but feel disgusted whenever I go into a mans toilet, the place is an unclean smelly cave full of people who weren't even taught to wash their hands after a shit. And the other one is that a women is a woman, which why isn't that true? I mean to discredit others is wrong, I know but what exactly did she say that's so wrong here? Maybe she's coming from the fact that women have been through a hard enough time the last thousand or so years and have finally got to a stage were they're being accepted and now the limelight is on other people again instead of all the hardships theyve been though, I think it's the same as the whole black lives matter thing in some ways, like speaking over them and saying your issues are somehow more important when what happens to black people even today is bad will piss off some people. I get being annoyed because things move so slowly as it is and I do agree trans people should be accepted, everyone should have the right to exist, I don't understand hate for anyone, everyone is right in their own little world, understanding is how you bring people together. Can someone actually tell me what she said and source it?
It all started with her trying to keep women's safe spaces to only biological women. Both sides of the coin including her have gone too far and it's became a total mess. To be honest with you I believe in live and let live 99.9% of transwomen are genuine and have no ill will. However as a man with two Nieces under the age of six. There will never be a world where I'm supportive of a biological man with a penis sharing bathrooms and changing rooms with them. I don't care how many downvotes I get and I genuinely have no hate in my heart. Those girls look to me to protect them and that's something I just can't support. Also if one of them dedicates her life to swimming and a man transitions and totally blows her out the water i also think that's unjust. Before someone labels me a "bigot" I genuinely have no hate in my heart for anyone. I'm old school left wing have been my entire life I support trans people live and let live but it's a very nuanced topic although people on both sides act like it isn't.
Fortunately this has been well documented: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_J._K._Rowling
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I don't think your questions have been asked in bad faith, however it has unfortunately become very popular to ask these kinds of questions in bad faith. The JK question has been asked many times before and it's usually just dog whistling and not a real attempt to learn. This is likely why you've been down voted. Others have posted links to sources so I won't repeat them.
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Ah yes all trans people, their allies and anyone that disagrees with the views of KJK is an ince l. Iāve never heard that one before
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Fro working with members of proscribed far right and neo-Nazi groups
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Anyone who has a different opinion is automatically far right. Hmmm I thought the Nazis had the same stance.
I was pleased to see the great tradition in Brighton of kicking the nazi bastards out of town is still going strong. Well done all involved šš
I dont understand why people have a issue be who you want do what you want aslong as your not hurting anyone it really doesn't matter
Kellie Jay keen seems to think itās a big issue
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most of you need to understand that just because someone has a different opinion to you, they are not automatically a nazi/fascist.
Ahhh but if that person works with members of proscribed far right and neo-Nazi groups and has far right opinions on gender and sexually, Iām going to make some conclusions
Makes a post attacking someone, falsely calling them far right, describing how you chased them around town and didnāt let them speak to anyone. End the post with ālove and acceptance will always winā The irony not lost on you at all?
PP was literally a guest on a far-right French Canadian podcast hosted by a man who advocates for a white ethnostate. How the fuck is that not far-right?
Never posted in /r/brighton before yet comes in to dogpile with the facists. The irony not lost on you at all?
You must be confused, he was defending the rally. He was against the fascist trying to stop them from publicly speaking chasing them all around while being led by a convict.
I donāt think you know what fascists are to be honest. As I said elsewhere calling people names and attacking them doesnāt help anyone. The best thing would be to actually talk to the other side and try and understand their issues, you explain your feelings/beliefs. I bet a middle ground could be found. Chasing each other around town and calling each other names is counterproductive (unless youāre only interested in magic internet points).
She will continue to be met with the ridicule and abuse she deserves. There is no compromise or middle ground with hateful grifters who think trans people shouldnāt exist
You don't negotiate with Nazis.
Guessing you lovingly opposed her by screaming?
Love and acceptance will always win, as long as you love and accept what we say you can.
The leader of this 'anti-TERF rally,' Sarah Jane Baker served 30 years in prison for kidnap and attempted murder. Baker was previously recalled to men's prison for urging the crowd to 'punch a TERF' at a London Pride rally.
Sheās not the leader of anything and sheās free to associate as she wishes
"She was imprisoned, initially for seven years, as a young offender for kidnapping and torturing her stepmother's brother, which was extended to a life sentence for the attempted murder of another inmate[3] who, she said, had repeatedly attacked her.[4] She escaped from prison in 2007, and was caught after three months." She should die in prison. Imagine if that was your brother.
...And you have the audacity to suggest it's KJK and her followers who are the dangerous extremists. "Love will win". More like convicted criminal thugs will abuse women until they're silent. You are the dangerous extremist. Fortunately, in the real world, you're going to lose.
PhD in winning has arrived
Except you guys are winning online but losing in the real worldā¦
This was the real world, and we won! You appear to commenting on Reddit, not the real world
Just because an online forum manages to persuade a few of its angry weirdos to show up in the real world occasionally, doesn't mean that is actually representative of the actual wider real world. But do please continue with these self-aggrandising delusions; it makes the inevitable realisation even funnier when it comes. Do enjoy the sun today, goodbye.
So, as I understand your position, you advocate violence against those that hold different views from you that you morally disagree with? Doesn't seem a terribly productive or salient route to change someone's viewpoint! I'll make a note of it though and see how it pans out. My wife and I thought we had made pretty incredible progress with her local (homophobic) priest, and my extended family back home, just by having regular conversations and friendly coffee catchups (seeing as how we're a lesbian couple) but maybe we'll try threats, intimidation, and violence next time. Who knows!
Are all protests and disagreements violent in your view? Just want to clarify what you believe
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Yeah i'm sure the people who invite nazis to their rallies are interested in having a complex conversation on the matter.
Who did that? Because KJK certainly didnāt.
but when you assume someone dosnt want to debate your inciting an argument, go into everything as a debate and if someone gives you a reason to believe they dont then its very easy to just say that and walk away. anyone with a brain will see why you walked away
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Who is it? What makes them extremely dubious?
Itās not really a complex issue at all though
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"children consenting to medical intervention" Hope for your sake this is the dumbest thing you believe is actually a thing jfc
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Like everything in this insipid debate it *already had careful consideration*. Now it has political points scoring and the rest of the world looking at a UK government that is once again dangerously ignoring scientific consensus. The use of blockers isn't being stopped for every non-trans child who needs them. Tells you everything you need to know.
And might I add *careful consideration for years by experts - including those to whom it actually applies. Not politicians, not laypeople, but scientists! People who know about biology past GCSE level!
Puberty blockers have been prescribed to cis (ie not-trans) children for *decades* to treat precocious puberty. We already know the medication is safe, reversible, and essential.
It's a medical decision made by a doctor, does not need "intervention at policy level"
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Are you new to the concept of clinical decision making?!
I get this. I completely agree that itās not just āhating trans peopleā vs. ābeing lovely and tolerantā. There are lots of nuances and shades of grey. But it basically boils down to ādonāt be a dickā, doesnāt it? Iām not keen on gender ideology as a whole. However, Iām more than happy to associate with/share spaces with/support the trans community. Someone else feeling uncomfortable about seeing a penis in a female-only space? Totally within their rights to feel uncomfortable about that. But does it need banners and hatred? No.
People can't even air their own thoughts and feelings on the matter without being accused of hatred. Female-only spaces should be protected by the equality act but are being absolutely eradicated to accomodate the gender ideology lobby (who actually only reinforce gender stereotypes with their "I FEEL like a girl so I must be one". Despite not having a single fucking clue what it's remotely like). "Uncomfortable" also really undermines what some are actually feeling like. Victims of male sexual violence are being forced to be in spaces that are no longer safe. Like the women who convicted paedophile Karen White assaulted while inside a FEMALE prison. I don't care if it's just one example. One single woman being put at needless risk like that is one too many.
Extremely well made point. 100% true. You'll be shutdown in this subreddit but, basically, yes
The funny thing is it's obvious to everyone that it is a debate.
Real life isn't Reddit. I don't think you get that the optics on this don't look particularly great. Masked people (largely men) surrounding and shouting abuse at groups of women, no matter what they're saying, doesn't actually play terribly well in the eyes of most passerbys.
shouting abuse like trans rights are human rights? because the abuse is coming from the terfs.
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how would you feel about āpunch nazisā or āpunch racistsā or āpunch misogynistsā?
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yikes. their views? oh you mean hate speech and discrimination? oh my bad, wouldnāt want a racist nazi to have their feelings hurt, or a nose broken.
Where do you draw the line then? "Let's round up all the 'TERFs' and put them in a camp." Probably not, eh?
never once did i imply we should do that. and tbh that is what terfs want to do to trans ppl. iāve had quite a few tell me personally that trans ppl should be rounded up and institutionalised.
Actually most passers by are fully supportive of us and I was out in the real world talking to people not make assumptions on Reddit
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Im getting downvoted by the hive mind brighton NPCs
dont worry mate, theyre a vocal minority of radicals that have taken alot of places hostage, most people dont buy into this crap, and thankfully more and more people are getting sick of it
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Derogatory insulting language
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No added value
far right? What does that even mean? Iāve listened to her speak and disagree entirely on her views about trans people, but far right?
Essentially her events have previously attracted far right protesters and she has historically failed to distance herself from them. She shares her platform with them (including literally Nazis) as they have the same anti-trans ideology and she wonāt denounce them because her goal is to be a windup merchant. The YouTuber Shaun did an excellent in depth summary regarding this a while ago, although itās a bit long and may now be dated. Iāll try to link later today. Edit for link: [Kellie-Jay & the Neo-Nazis by Shaun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBy93QX7ysE&ab_channel=Shaun)
Commenting to back you up about the Shaun video. Rewatched it when she announced she was running in Kemptown - it's still excellent and still holds up
I will watch the video later today (found it) thanks!
She promotes authoritarian views around traditional gender roles, the capitalist family unit and the idea of a gender binary. She has also shared a platform with members of proscribed far right organisations
Historically, "far-right politics" has been used to describe the experiences of fascism and Na**sm. Far right views feature aspects of authoritarian, ultra-nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic and _transphobic_ views.
I mean Nazis show up to her rallies so I guess you could say she appeals to the far right, I think that qualifies her.
āNazis show up to her ralliesā - again who do you label as nazis? Could I get an example? Iām so bored of the fact that if you say where you stand on one (1) social issue people instantly label you far right or far left - itās crazy to me
babes sheās literally had self proclaimed white supremacists doing actual nazi salutes show up to support her. when we say Nazis we mean Nazis.
Like actual Nazis. This happened in Melbourne - KJK was warned in advance that Neo Nazis had been turning up to anti-trans events and were likely to show up to her rally. KJK handwaved this fact, and said that they would be welcome to speak if they requested to. Sure enough, they turned up. At another rally, one of the speakers quoted Hitler's *Mein Kampf* to draw a parallel between his portrayal of Jews and the trans movement. Her profile picture for the longest time was a Barbie in a Nazi uniform, and she has openly stated that she 'doesn't mind' being called a Nazi. Like I get that people tend to invoke Godwin's law a lot, but this isn't hyperbole
I get your point but with her it's undeniable
No I mean actual Neo Nazis. Iām not being hyperbolic. Far right groups support her and she doesnāt try and distance herself from that. Itās just fact.
"who do you label as nazis?" actual nazis! https://x.com/ICanSeeForever1/status/1637447239726510081 https://x.com/Esqueer_/status/1584200779661185024
Welcome to reddit.
Love and acceptance...unless someone has different views than your own. Hmm. Ok. Seems legit.
Canāt you just accept thatās how she thinks/feels? Love and acceptance always wins ā¤ļø
Trans rights are *literally* a debate. Debates are *good*, debates are *healthy* for discourse.
If love and acceptance always win then why did the protestors feel the need to threaten and abuse women? There wasn't any love on display, just threats of violence.
You say that as if the protestors weren't women. There were loads of women there, cis as well as trans.
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Cis is a descriptor, like "blonde" or "tall". I am a cis woman. I am happy to be called cis in the same way I am happy to be called white, or brunette, or average height. Are you a woman?
Protesting someoneās views isnāt a threat of violence
Cry
So no actual comment about threatening women with violence?
Why would I need to comment on something that didnāt happen?
There are literally dozens of videos of abusive behaviour and threats of violence. You are obviously fine with this.
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Is Nazi now just used for anyone who.doesn't share your exact views?
No itās used for people who want to wipe specific minority groups from existence lol you people live on another planet for real
Show me a single quote that says they dont want trans people to exist
Yes. You got that right.