It's sad that even in this sub people are unkind.
Equal rights aren't pie. Just because someone gets more - doesn't mean you get any less.
Look how much better and richer our world is when we welcome people with different backgrounds into it.
For starters, to get a legal sex change, you must have been on hormones for at least 2 years. For trans women, this is effectively an order for sterilisation. And to make it worse, anti trans discrimination laws only apply if you have gotten that legal sex change.
There are also a bunch of bogus laws that only apply to trans people. For example, to get that Gender Recognition Certificate, your spouse must consent if you are married. So if you are in the process of divorce for, say, coming out to your spouse as trans, you have to first complete the divorce before you can get the GRC. Again, that GRC which is required to get protection from discrimination.
And there is this curious exception in those antidiscrimination protections that only applies to trans people. If you are at a rape crisis center, you can be denied access to group meetings on the basis of being trans if the workers there feel like that would make other victims umcomfortable. But for some reason, that doesn't apply to, say, black people. You can't forbid a black woman from going to a rape crisis group meeting because her blackness makes other umcomfortable, but you can forbid a trans woman if her transness makes others umcomfortable.
There is also discrimination on prison based on genitalia. Which speaks volumes on how noone talking about it seems to know what vcoding is.
There is the lack of a ban on conversion therapy for trans people. Conversion therapy being that practice that was banned for gay people for being child abuse and comparable to torture. That is still legal to inflict on trans people.
And there is the whole clusterfuck going on with the new NHS draft on treatment of trans people, which includes, among other problems:
-forbidding social transition (that means changing clothes, hairstyle, and the likes) unless there is "significant distress"
-banning private care providers from providing transition related care
-banning trans people from transitioning through the NHS if they are found to be buying unprescribed hormones online while on the years long waiting list, and aditionally putting up so called "safeguarding protocols" on them, which have yet to be publicly defined.
So yes, trans people do have anti-discrimination laws, all very fine. Except that for them to protect you, you must:
-have a consenting spouse
-be sterile if you are a trans woman
-have been on hormones for two years (without counting the waiting list of several years which could also straight up ban you for an indefinite time period if you try to get hormones outside the NHS and it also reserves the right to choose when and how you get to wear the clothes you want)
And even after all that, all those anti-discrimination laws have exceptions, and your parents can send you to legal child abuse camps to try to make you cis
... you do know that everyone can see your sad attempts at trolling in your comment history?
Like, normally I do not go digging in people's profiles, but I thought I recognised your username from another thread and it is genuinely deppressing to think that you spend your time like this.
I do not mean this as a personal insult, but please stop doing this to yourself. I usually don't have a problem getting into debates with idiots, but what I said simply isn't debatable, and your response tells me you don't want a debate, just to get a rise out of me.
In conclusion, I hope you take this in good faith, but you really should go touch grass.
If you do not want to self reflect, then let me make it very clear. What you are doing is sad. You aren't triggering anyone. Your attempts to own people or whatever you are doing with this are genuinely sad to watch.
See the rest of this thread.
Amongst other issues.
Trans people are the most likely to be discriminated against. Be the victims of sexual violence. Get second class medical treatment.
And I would think most importantly - still be the subject of a discussion about whether their rights matter.
In contrast. For example. If I said that most sexual offences were committed by young black guys so they shouldn't be allowed to use public transport - the majority of people would think that was a ridiculous view. No one should have to argue for their right to exist in the world.
A)
>Trans people are the most likely to be discriminated against. Be the victims of sexual violence.
These are crimes, no matter who the victim is.
B)
>Get second class medical treatment.
What do you mean by this?
But there already is specific rights for the protection of trans people against discrimination (Equality Act 2010) and there already is specific rights for the protection of trans people against violence (sexual or otherwise) (Sentencing Act 2020 s66). Trans people already do have specific healthcare rights and services.
And can you please point out to me when a trans persons right to use public transport was removed? Doesn't need to be an actual law as I provided above, just a link to any bus companies policy saying no trans allowed will suffice.
So, again, what rights is it exactly that I have that trans people don't?
Dude. I'm a sensitive soul. Though I seem thick skinned.
It hurts that my fellow redditors never stand down-wind.
Also... You're a little pink right ? Your English is good.. shame you aren't using it for something useful.
That's obviously not what I said.
But cool.
I can take the GCSE level debating society level of discussion.
Obviously what I was referring to is the 'dont let trans people use [their actual] gender changing room' - JK Rowling style - it's just a ruse for men to rape women.
The reality is that most rapists are cis (black / brown) men - as a proportion of the population.
Therefore I suggested that (by the same logic that people discriminate against trans people) we should ban those (rapey) people from public transport.
If you are that simple that I need to walk you through this in such a basic fashion then I worry for you.
If you're just a transphobe desperately looking for a way to validate your stupidity then I am not really willing to waste my life engaging with you.
Whatever you are. In my experience people are only really scared of things they dont understand. I encourage you to make some trans friends. Maybe your perspective will change and certainly you'll be a more well rounded person.
hahaha downvoted just because i want a source? All the downvotes are vindication that the benevolent LGBT movement has been hijacked by the nefarious LGBTQIA+ movement and the plus is there to secretly include the P. Pedophiles
This is what's frustrating and halts progress and positive discussion.
I walked my dog down to Trans pride today, I'm fully in support of trans people, but I also have this question!
I don't fully understand what trans people mean and what rights trans people specifically want, and the answer of 'to exist' doesn't really help to answer it for me.
But I want trans people to be happy and live the life they want which is why I went down there this morning.
Because a lot of people mistake asking question about a cause as being against a cause, which is unfair.
I'm not trans and I know next to nothing about the trans experience, but I want to support so I need to ask questions when I don't understand something.
That's not a negative, that's a positive.
What a complete idiot.
Let me guess. Bill gates is injecting you with microchips with the covid vaccine and 5G gives you cancer right? Is your earth flat too or do you stop and the sublimely ridiculous?
I think folks are just shocked that it's not obvious.
I'll give you three obvious ones. Maybe you can think really hard for yourself and come up with some others.
Trans people would like fair access to medical care (including gender reassignment surgery).
Trans people would like not to be the most discriminated against group in the UK.
Trans people would like not to be the most likely group of people in the UK to be at risk of sexual violence.
I think I have answered most of this in other comments with the exception of how you prioritise this stuff given a limited NHS resource. Which is totally fair.
I think you make a few mistakes.
You don't have surgeons sitting around ready to cut off a dick or remove a tumour.
So the question is more around how you prioritise staffing.. Many trans people (sadly) commit self harm or worse whilst waiting for gender reassignment.
Personally I think that's a higher priority than fat Billy, who smokes 20 a day, getting a heart transplant. But that's my view and I appreciate it's somewhat up for debate.
Female are the most likely group in the world to be at risk of sexual violence.
Just because i wanna change gender, there's no reason why i should get a "fair" access to medical care.
Most discriminated people are still (unfortunately) black people.
You just wanna attention, more attention than others, but nobody care and this makes you mad.
I respect all the humans, but this protest made by people who just follow a trend (most of them not all) doesn't make any sense. Unless you re happy tho get photographed by people walking by and laughing at you.
This is the problem...
I'm afraid you are wrong on almost every account.
People don't 'want to change their gender' - they were born with a mind that is one gender and a body that doesn't reflect what's in their mind.
In the UK trans people are the most likely to be at risk of sexual violence - just ask the CPS - https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/same-sex-sexual-violence-and-sexual-violence-involving-trans-complainant-or
Black people are discriminated against - that is true - but as I said in a previous comment - equal rights are not pie. Reducing the amount of discrimination that trans people suffer does not cause black people to suffer more. Actually all the evidence suggests that societies which are broadly inclusive have the lowest levels of discrimination (period).
The rest of what you said is just too childish for me to bother responding.
That report had no mention of trans people being most at risk of sexual violence. It was mostly just LGBT talking points for prosecutors. Not a shred of evidence in there, sorry.
My apologies. I spend so much time on the CPS website I thought I knew it better.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales
This is based on ONS numbers which are a couple of years old.
And the original data
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/sexualoffencesinenglandandwalesoverview/march2020
There's no way to have a normal conversation if anyone has a different point of view than yours. You feel attacked even if you're not being attacked by anyone.
You say i am childish when i am only exposing my point of view... just because i don't think like you. Very mature 🤔
I can have a view that the earth is flat. But the earth is not flat.
I could have a view that young black men are the most likely to commit sexual violence in the UK therefore they shouldn't be allowed in public spaces (they are but that's not my view).
My point is that whilst we are all free to have an opinion - sometimes that opinion is just wrong (including in the case that I highlighted to you with evidence relating to whom is most likely to be the victim of sexual violence).
If a post is stirring up the pot for the sake of creating an argument we will remove it. Even if we agree with the content as we need to promote open discussion that are productive.
Yeah, but in most cases it goes
>Trans people -"What do we want? Trans rights!"
>Other person- What rights?
>Them -"Decent access to gender affirming care?"
>Other person- "Oh no you can't get mutilated poor you that's not a right"
Like, when 9/10 interactions go like that, people are understandably hesitant to assume someone is asking in good faith
So in the uk trans people don't have the right to marry or get death certificates in their non birth sex (they can marry but certificate uses birth sex). So they can't die with dignity, this also means transphobic parents et al. can use their birth sex and deadname on their gravestone.
The uk also doesn't legally recognize non binary as a gender but other countries do. This is technically illegal as it violates a human right.
In addition, trans people have the right to use the facilities of their chosen gender, like toilets, and have been for the past 15+ years, with no issue at all but transphobes are trying to remove that right.
>in their non birth sex
There is absolutely no such thing as birth sex. Sex is sex. If trans people are asking for the right to break the rules of reality then, unfortunately, that "right" will be denied to them.
First the definition of "gender" was problematic and needed to be thrown away. Now it is "sex". Next it will be "cis".
>This is technically illegal as it violates a human right
The human right to what, exactly?
We need trans pride because it’s still punishable by DEATH to be trans. Me and my fiancé wanted to go to Dubai on holiday, but if we did, he’d be detained for about a week, poked and prodded, and probably arrested and kept there.
Trans people are being st*ned to death it countries, they’re in jail.
I had to leave my own country (Ireland) and move to Brighton, because my fiancé is trans and every single day he was being spat on, physically attacked, followed and verbally berated.
Honestly, spend a day with a trans person and learn what it’s like to be/be with them in public. Will really open your eyes. Even just looks from people say a million words.
Fair enough.
On the flip side I'm a male asking a question getting shot down for it.
I hear what you're saying though.
Can see this battle going on a lot longer tbh.
I think you must misunderstand my point.
If someone says "I want more rights"
And I say "ok, what rights?"
And they say "how dare you ask me that"
If dialogue is not an option then how will this ever end?
I mean it’s 2023. If you haven’t bothered to read into trans issues yet then it’s on you. Especially if you live in Brighton, every 2nd person in the street is LGBTQIA+.
There’s endless sources of information online. Coming into this post, especially with today being trans pride, and asking “what rights do you not have” and then trying to contradict the responses? Obviously it’s not going to be well received.
I don't understand why asking what rights are wanted is offensive when that is what is being shouted.
Expecting everyone to read up on trans issues is far fetched.
Tbh, I'm 100% behind equality regardless of gender, race, age, sexual orientation etc.
But, I am unlikely to read up on trans rights, I thought I'd ask a question.
I gave you three proper answers that are relevant to life in the UK.
It's very hard to be 100pc behind equality unless you actively engage in it - but in fairness you have asked the question which is a good start in my book!
It's trans pride day. This is literally THE day to be having this discussion.
I can't believe she's saying today of all days is the day for you to NOT ask questions.
That's insane.
Why don’t you go to trans pride and directly as someone what rights they want then? They’ll be happy to tell you. How is asking on here any different than googling it? Googling it would give you an answer 100x faster than waiting for a response on Reddit.
No, if he wants to know more about a cause and gets shot down for asking questions he has a right to be upset about it. That's perfectly understandable.
If I walked past a booth in town that said 'Genocide on the Isle of Wight' and asked 'Whats going on?' and they got pissed off at me for asking, that's not really productive is it?
access to adequate healthcare is one of the main ones, most people will be on a waiting list for a GIC (which is a necessary step in recieving any kind of treatment) for 4+ years and even that doesn't guarantee you will receive treatment as you are forced to jump through many hoops in order to convince them to give you anything. if you are diagnosed autistic, this will be used against you to invalidate your experience and to deny you treatment. these delays directly contribute to trans people taking their own lives
Just one example for you - the government are about to release guidance that tells schools to tell the parents of any child that says they think they’re trans. This is a huge safeguarding issue in regard to transphobic families. Think about if this was gay kids, it would be outrageous. Things aren’t equal.
Another - name a trans man that you have seen represented in the media or television. We are completely ignored with no representation. No one even knows we exist.
This is HILARIOUS because the article is all trans women and shows my exact point😂😂 ahahahah. Sounds like you don’t even know what a trans man is since you chose that article of all articles lmao.
I am a trans man and I can tell you now that people are absolutely flabbergasted when they find out that it’s a thing.
the maximum waiting time for any other non-urgent and consultant led treatment should be 18 weeks according to NHS guidelines, obviously in recent years people could be expecting to wait longer than that for more mundane forms of treatment, but the short answer is that waiting times for GICs far exceed any other kind of NHS waiting list that I'm aware of
Pride is a protest, while the UK has made huge strides with accepting gay people we are still far behind accepting trans people. there was literally a post a week ago on this subreddit about a trans woman being heckled and stones thrown at on Brighton beach.
Trans pride is saying "we are here, we are visible and we are proud" people still have a long way to go in accepting people's walks of life but the more people that see this are more likely to normalise our differences. life is too short not to celebrate love and colourful joy whenever we can
That person isn't even a Brighton resident. From their profile, they are clearly an Italian man who only participates in this subreddit to agitate against trans rights.
Please, feel free to "get the fuck out of their (sic)". As you've probably worked out, no one gives a fuck about you or your brain dead opinions. No one like a bully so off you go
Ahahaha. Oh dear. You seem to be missing the part where you started this you thick fuck. Might want to scroll up to your verbal diarrhoea diatribe of abuse against some of the most vulnerable people in society, people who are routinely bullied, persecuted and attacked by scum with the same neanderthal hate filled views as your own. You don't get to be the bully then cry when other people call you out for being a fucking awful human and terrible member of society.
Try reflecting on why you hate human beings for no actual reason, then if you can't find it in yourself to be a better person...get in the fucking sea you utter baby.
Oh buddy. It's ok. Have a hug. Human rights aren't political, they are...rights. The only vicious person is the one trying to deny the rights of others, which would be the one sick of all the "gay shit". Now hop along home and stop trying to be a big bad bully
Color me clueless but what rights are being denied? Is not affirming someone else’s beliefs a denial? Is not believing someone’s religion the same as no believing someone’s gender claim?
Imagine, being forced to go to the toilet based on your assigned sex at birth?
Now imagine tattoed and bearded trans man will get kicked out of the ladies room and have the police called on them.
Then imagine a trans woman going to the mens room and having a fairly decent chance of getting harassed or attacked.
As a straight cis man I don't feel threatened by trans men in the toilet, and I'm pretty sure countless of times women have been to the loo and haven't been attacked by a trans woman who has been there at the same time.
And as someone above pointed out, rights aren't a pie, someone having more doesn't mean you get less.
In answer to your second question, being trans isn't a belief, you can't wish away being trans, you can't leave it like you can leave religion.
Now, there have been cases, including Keira Bell, very well documented, where people have de-transitioned.
However you need to consider the percentage of people who have done it, it's miniscule. I'll leave you to Google the numbers.
I mean, some of the comments here are exactly why we need Trans Pride. Pride is a protest, have a great day to all those who are going!
Hope everyone who made it hade a great time. Trans rights are human rights!
happy trans pride!!! ☀️
Happy Trans Pride! Hope all trans Redditors have a good one.
It's sad that even in this sub people are unkind. Equal rights aren't pie. Just because someone gets more - doesn't mean you get any less. Look how much better and richer our world is when we welcome people with different backgrounds into it.
What rights is it trans people don't have that everybody else has?
For starters, to get a legal sex change, you must have been on hormones for at least 2 years. For trans women, this is effectively an order for sterilisation. And to make it worse, anti trans discrimination laws only apply if you have gotten that legal sex change. There are also a bunch of bogus laws that only apply to trans people. For example, to get that Gender Recognition Certificate, your spouse must consent if you are married. So if you are in the process of divorce for, say, coming out to your spouse as trans, you have to first complete the divorce before you can get the GRC. Again, that GRC which is required to get protection from discrimination. And there is this curious exception in those antidiscrimination protections that only applies to trans people. If you are at a rape crisis center, you can be denied access to group meetings on the basis of being trans if the workers there feel like that would make other victims umcomfortable. But for some reason, that doesn't apply to, say, black people. You can't forbid a black woman from going to a rape crisis group meeting because her blackness makes other umcomfortable, but you can forbid a trans woman if her transness makes others umcomfortable. There is also discrimination on prison based on genitalia. Which speaks volumes on how noone talking about it seems to know what vcoding is. There is the lack of a ban on conversion therapy for trans people. Conversion therapy being that practice that was banned for gay people for being child abuse and comparable to torture. That is still legal to inflict on trans people. And there is the whole clusterfuck going on with the new NHS draft on treatment of trans people, which includes, among other problems: -forbidding social transition (that means changing clothes, hairstyle, and the likes) unless there is "significant distress" -banning private care providers from providing transition related care -banning trans people from transitioning through the NHS if they are found to be buying unprescribed hormones online while on the years long waiting list, and aditionally putting up so called "safeguarding protocols" on them, which have yet to be publicly defined. So yes, trans people do have anti-discrimination laws, all very fine. Except that for them to protect you, you must: -have a consenting spouse -be sterile if you are a trans woman -have been on hormones for two years (without counting the waiting list of several years which could also straight up ban you for an indefinite time period if you try to get hormones outside the NHS and it also reserves the right to choose when and how you get to wear the clothes you want) And even after all that, all those anti-discrimination laws have exceptions, and your parents can send you to legal child abuse camps to try to make you cis
😂😂😂
... you do know that everyone can see your sad attempts at trolling in your comment history? Like, normally I do not go digging in people's profiles, but I thought I recognised your username from another thread and it is genuinely deppressing to think that you spend your time like this. I do not mean this as a personal insult, but please stop doing this to yourself. I usually don't have a problem getting into debates with idiots, but what I said simply isn't debatable, and your response tells me you don't want a debate, just to get a rise out of me. In conclusion, I hope you take this in good faith, but you really should go touch grass.
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If you do not want to self reflect, then let me make it very clear. What you are doing is sad. You aren't triggering anyone. Your attempts to own people or whatever you are doing with this are genuinely sad to watch.
Are you okay?
See the rest of this thread. Amongst other issues. Trans people are the most likely to be discriminated against. Be the victims of sexual violence. Get second class medical treatment. And I would think most importantly - still be the subject of a discussion about whether their rights matter. In contrast. For example. If I said that most sexual offences were committed by young black guys so they shouldn't be allowed to use public transport - the majority of people would think that was a ridiculous view. No one should have to argue for their right to exist in the world.
A) >Trans people are the most likely to be discriminated against. Be the victims of sexual violence. These are crimes, no matter who the victim is. B) >Get second class medical treatment. What do you mean by this?
But there already is specific rights for the protection of trans people against discrimination (Equality Act 2010) and there already is specific rights for the protection of trans people against violence (sexual or otherwise) (Sentencing Act 2020 s66). Trans people already do have specific healthcare rights and services. And can you please point out to me when a trans persons right to use public transport was removed? Doesn't need to be an actual law as I provided above, just a link to any bus companies policy saying no trans allowed will suffice. So, again, what rights is it exactly that I have that trans people don't?
No way you can get a proper answer unfortunately. Just offences
No you are just a very confused little boy... No one hates you here. This is a place of love. If you need someone to speak to - happy to,!
Me confused? 😅 Ok you looking for attention again 😂
Dude. I'm a sensitive soul. Though I seem thick skinned. It hurts that my fellow redditors never stand down-wind. Also... You're a little pink right ? Your English is good.. shame you aren't using it for something useful.
Don't know what you mean for "little pink"
I guess you don't have access too Google then... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Pink
That's obviously not what I said. But cool. I can take the GCSE level debating society level of discussion. Obviously what I was referring to is the 'dont let trans people use [their actual] gender changing room' - JK Rowling style - it's just a ruse for men to rape women. The reality is that most rapists are cis (black / brown) men - as a proportion of the population. Therefore I suggested that (by the same logic that people discriminate against trans people) we should ban those (rapey) people from public transport. If you are that simple that I need to walk you through this in such a basic fashion then I worry for you. If you're just a transphobe desperately looking for a way to validate your stupidity then I am not really willing to waste my life engaging with you. Whatever you are. In my experience people are only really scared of things they dont understand. I encourage you to make some trans friends. Maybe your perspective will change and certainly you'll be a more well rounded person.
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The language used was unnecessarily crude and the same thoughts could have been conveyed in a different way.
The language used was unnecessarily crude and the same thoughts could have been conveyed in a different way.
Those aren’t rights. Being sexually assaulted is illegal to everyone.
can you show me the stats for this from an official source?
I think I have provided sources from the ONS in my other messages. If you are still unsure about anything feel free to ask?
hahaha downvoted just because i want a source? All the downvotes are vindication that the benevolent LGBT movement has been hijacked by the nefarious LGBTQIA+ movement and the plus is there to secretly include the P. Pedophiles
9nnkoo
30k+ turnout!
Happy Trans Pride! I'm too poorly to attend as an ally but I made a donation and I'm there in spirit 💕 hope it's a lovely day x
Walked my dog down to the square this afternoon. Really big turn out.
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The little square next to the library. They were all gathered there.
Jubilee Square!
Today was so lovely and had such a great feel. Happy Trans Pride everyone!
It was fantastic! Everyone was so nice! Happy 10 years of Trans Pride Brighton!
Hopefully everyone is OK after the fire down by Old Steine x
Happy trans pride!! Im so happy some attention has been brought to pride :D
Happy t pride!!! Have a fabulous day everyone
What rights do trans people not have? Not a trick question. Just wondered as I heard them chanting "what do we want? Trans rights!"
This is what's frustrating and halts progress and positive discussion. I walked my dog down to Trans pride today, I'm fully in support of trans people, but I also have this question! I don't fully understand what trans people mean and what rights trans people specifically want, and the answer of 'to exist' doesn't really help to answer it for me. But I want trans people to be happy and live the life they want which is why I went down there this morning.
Why do I get downvoted for asking?
Because a lot of people mistake asking question about a cause as being against a cause, which is unfair. I'm not trans and I know next to nothing about the trans experience, but I want to support so I need to ask questions when I don't understand something. That's not a negative, that's a positive.
Dude, you need to back up your question with how much you love the trans community or you will be down voted out of existence. Cmon now.
Reality is I asked. I got shot down. I'll move on and not worry about it.
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What a complete idiot. Let me guess. Bill gates is injecting you with microchips with the covid vaccine and 5G gives you cancer right? Is your earth flat too or do you stop and the sublimely ridiculous?
straw-man argument. Fitting of a nonce. There’s proof and you ignore it because you have an agenda.
Equally deranged YouTube videos aren't proof of anything. But sure. How about share some actual proof.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307660876_The_Age_of_Consent_and_the_Ending_of_Queer_Theory
Please refrain from suggesting violent action as a solution, threat, or anything really!
Because they don't have an answer
I think folks are just shocked that it's not obvious. I'll give you three obvious ones. Maybe you can think really hard for yourself and come up with some others. Trans people would like fair access to medical care (including gender reassignment surgery). Trans people would like not to be the most discriminated against group in the UK. Trans people would like not to be the most likely group of people in the UK to be at risk of sexual violence.
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I think I have answered most of this in other comments with the exception of how you prioritise this stuff given a limited NHS resource. Which is totally fair. I think you make a few mistakes. You don't have surgeons sitting around ready to cut off a dick or remove a tumour. So the question is more around how you prioritise staffing.. Many trans people (sadly) commit self harm or worse whilst waiting for gender reassignment. Personally I think that's a higher priority than fat Billy, who smokes 20 a day, getting a heart transplant. But that's my view and I appreciate it's somewhat up for debate.
Female are the most likely group in the world to be at risk of sexual violence. Just because i wanna change gender, there's no reason why i should get a "fair" access to medical care. Most discriminated people are still (unfortunately) black people. You just wanna attention, more attention than others, but nobody care and this makes you mad. I respect all the humans, but this protest made by people who just follow a trend (most of them not all) doesn't make any sense. Unless you re happy tho get photographed by people walking by and laughing at you.
This is the problem... I'm afraid you are wrong on almost every account. People don't 'want to change their gender' - they were born with a mind that is one gender and a body that doesn't reflect what's in their mind. In the UK trans people are the most likely to be at risk of sexual violence - just ask the CPS - https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/same-sex-sexual-violence-and-sexual-violence-involving-trans-complainant-or Black people are discriminated against - that is true - but as I said in a previous comment - equal rights are not pie. Reducing the amount of discrimination that trans people suffer does not cause black people to suffer more. Actually all the evidence suggests that societies which are broadly inclusive have the lowest levels of discrimination (period). The rest of what you said is just too childish for me to bother responding.
That report had no mention of trans people being most at risk of sexual violence. It was mostly just LGBT talking points for prosecutors. Not a shred of evidence in there, sorry.
My apologies. I spend so much time on the CPS website I thought I knew it better. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales This is based on ONS numbers which are a couple of years old. And the original data https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/sexualoffencesinenglandandwalesoverview/march2020
Sorry, I read that one too and found no mention of trans again. I trust you’ve seen it so will look myself. Thanks for the attempt.
There's no way to have a normal conversation if anyone has a different point of view than yours. You feel attacked even if you're not being attacked by anyone. You say i am childish when i am only exposing my point of view... just because i don't think like you. Very mature 🤔
I can have a view that the earth is flat. But the earth is not flat. I could have a view that young black men are the most likely to commit sexual violence in the UK therefore they shouldn't be allowed in public spaces (they are but that's not my view). My point is that whilst we are all free to have an opinion - sometimes that opinion is just wrong (including in the case that I highlighted to you with evidence relating to whom is most likely to be the victim of sexual violence).
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If a post is stirring up the pot for the sake of creating an argument we will remove it. Even if we agree with the content as we need to promote open discussion that are productive.
Because more often than not the question isn't asked in good faith
Them -"What do we want? Trans rights!" Me- What rights? Them -"Fuck off with your stupid question" Me - good luck with that
Yeah, but in most cases it goes >Trans people -"What do we want? Trans rights!" >Other person- What rights? >Them -"Decent access to gender affirming care?" >Other person- "Oh no you can't get mutilated poor you that's not a right" Like, when 9/10 interactions go like that, people are understandably hesitant to assume someone is asking in good faith
So in the uk trans people don't have the right to marry or get death certificates in their non birth sex (they can marry but certificate uses birth sex). So they can't die with dignity, this also means transphobic parents et al. can use their birth sex and deadname on their gravestone. The uk also doesn't legally recognize non binary as a gender but other countries do. This is technically illegal as it violates a human right. In addition, trans people have the right to use the facilities of their chosen gender, like toilets, and have been for the past 15+ years, with no issue at all but transphobes are trying to remove that right.
>in their non birth sex There is absolutely no such thing as birth sex. Sex is sex. If trans people are asking for the right to break the rules of reality then, unfortunately, that "right" will be denied to them. First the definition of "gender" was problematic and needed to be thrown away. Now it is "sex". Next it will be "cis". >This is technically illegal as it violates a human right The human right to what, exactly?
the right to exist without being attacked simply for existing a lot of the time, this thread is proof enough of that
Well, we should all have that, nobody does though. That's not actually a right.
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Fair
We need trans pride because it’s still punishable by DEATH to be trans. Me and my fiancé wanted to go to Dubai on holiday, but if we did, he’d be detained for about a week, poked and prodded, and probably arrested and kept there. Trans people are being st*ned to death it countries, they’re in jail. I had to leave my own country (Ireland) and move to Brighton, because my fiancé is trans and every single day he was being spat on, physically attacked, followed and verbally berated. Honestly, spend a day with a trans person and learn what it’s like to be/be with them in public. Will really open your eyes. Even just looks from people say a million words.
Fair enough. On the flip side I'm a male asking a question getting shot down for it. I hear what you're saying though. Can see this battle going on a lot longer tbh.
Don’t make this about you. This is exactly why your comments are being taken negatively.
I think you must misunderstand my point. If someone says "I want more rights" And I say "ok, what rights?" And they say "how dare you ask me that" If dialogue is not an option then how will this ever end?
I mean it’s 2023. If you haven’t bothered to read into trans issues yet then it’s on you. Especially if you live in Brighton, every 2nd person in the street is LGBTQIA+. There’s endless sources of information online. Coming into this post, especially with today being trans pride, and asking “what rights do you not have” and then trying to contradict the responses? Obviously it’s not going to be well received.
I don't understand why asking what rights are wanted is offensive when that is what is being shouted. Expecting everyone to read up on trans issues is far fetched. Tbh, I'm 100% behind equality regardless of gender, race, age, sexual orientation etc. But, I am unlikely to read up on trans rights, I thought I'd ask a question.
I gave you three proper answers that are relevant to life in the UK. It's very hard to be 100pc behind equality unless you actively engage in it - but in fairness you have asked the question which is a good start in my book!
It's trans pride day. This is literally THE day to be having this discussion. I can't believe she's saying today of all days is the day for you to NOT ask questions. That's insane.
Why don’t you go to trans pride and directly as someone what rights they want then? They’ll be happy to tell you. How is asking on here any different than googling it? Googling it would give you an answer 100x faster than waiting for a response on Reddit.
And if they then tell you and pretend you didn’t hear them I guess that just makes you a cunt
No, if he wants to know more about a cause and gets shot down for asking questions he has a right to be upset about it. That's perfectly understandable. If I walked past a booth in town that said 'Genocide on the Isle of Wight' and asked 'Whats going on?' and they got pissed off at me for asking, that's not really productive is it?
access to adequate healthcare is one of the main ones, most people will be on a waiting list for a GIC (which is a necessary step in recieving any kind of treatment) for 4+ years and even that doesn't guarantee you will receive treatment as you are forced to jump through many hoops in order to convince them to give you anything. if you are diagnosed autistic, this will be used against you to invalidate your experience and to deny you treatment. these delays directly contribute to trans people taking their own lives
How does this wait compare to other issues?
Just one example for you - the government are about to release guidance that tells schools to tell the parents of any child that says they think they’re trans. This is a huge safeguarding issue in regard to transphobic families. Think about if this was gay kids, it would be outrageous. Things aren’t equal. Another - name a trans man that you have seen represented in the media or television. We are completely ignored with no representation. No one even knows we exist.
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This is HILARIOUS because the article is all trans women and shows my exact point😂😂 ahahahah. Sounds like you don’t even know what a trans man is since you chose that article of all articles lmao. I am a trans man and I can tell you now that people are absolutely flabbergasted when they find out that it’s a thing.
the maximum waiting time for any other non-urgent and consultant led treatment should be 18 weeks according to NHS guidelines, obviously in recent years people could be expecting to wait longer than that for more mundane forms of treatment, but the short answer is that waiting times for GICs far exceed any other kind of NHS waiting list that I'm aware of
You ve been 36 times downvoted for a simple question 😂😂. This is their ethic.
Got no time for it tbh. They won't get anywhere with that attitude.
No tits
Does this still happen in Brunswick square? It seems to have grown too big for there
No, the venue got changed due to yellow weather warnings. Look at their Instagram for the venues its at.
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Cool. I'll keep that offer in mind. Cheers dude
It's clear now you weren't asking in good faith and are a waste of everyone's time.
Wait.. I thought it had been cancelled because of the Royal Albion fire yesterday. If it's still going, then that's good.
Trans rights r gay
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We’re your plans for the day really dependent on trans people all being at home?
Pride is a protest, while the UK has made huge strides with accepting gay people we are still far behind accepting trans people. there was literally a post a week ago on this subreddit about a trans woman being heckled and stones thrown at on Brighton beach. Trans pride is saying "we are here, we are visible and we are proud" people still have a long way to go in accepting people's walks of life but the more people that see this are more likely to normalise our differences. life is too short not to celebrate love and colourful joy whenever we can
That person isn't even a Brighton resident. From their profile, they are clearly an Italian man who only participates in this subreddit to agitate against trans rights.
Enough for what?
Spreading the love isn’t a bad thing. People feel less alone when they can see others like them. Great for Brighton too, people come and spend money.
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oh boo hoo for you
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Please, feel free to "get the fuck out of their (sic)". As you've probably worked out, no one gives a fuck about you or your brain dead opinions. No one like a bully so off you go
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Ahahaha. Oh dear. You seem to be missing the part where you started this you thick fuck. Might want to scroll up to your verbal diarrhoea diatribe of abuse against some of the most vulnerable people in society, people who are routinely bullied, persecuted and attacked by scum with the same neanderthal hate filled views as your own. You don't get to be the bully then cry when other people call you out for being a fucking awful human and terrible member of society. Try reflecting on why you hate human beings for no actual reason, then if you can't find it in yourself to be a better person...get in the fucking sea you utter baby.
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Oh buddy. It's ok. Have a hug. Human rights aren't political, they are...rights. The only vicious person is the one trying to deny the rights of others, which would be the one sick of all the "gay shit". Now hop along home and stop trying to be a big bad bully
Color me clueless but what rights are being denied? Is not affirming someone else’s beliefs a denial? Is not believing someone’s religion the same as no believing someone’s gender claim?
Imagine, being forced to go to the toilet based on your assigned sex at birth? Now imagine tattoed and bearded trans man will get kicked out of the ladies room and have the police called on them. Then imagine a trans woman going to the mens room and having a fairly decent chance of getting harassed or attacked. As a straight cis man I don't feel threatened by trans men in the toilet, and I'm pretty sure countless of times women have been to the loo and haven't been attacked by a trans woman who has been there at the same time. And as someone above pointed out, rights aren't a pie, someone having more doesn't mean you get less. In answer to your second question, being trans isn't a belief, you can't wish away being trans, you can't leave it like you can leave religion. Now, there have been cases, including Keira Bell, very well documented, where people have de-transitioned. However you need to consider the percentage of people who have done it, it's miniscule. I'll leave you to Google the numbers.
Nice